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Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is Dave Gebro from the Disco Graffiti

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Podcast and you're listening to the Surely You Can't Be

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are back for part two of

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our Christine Versus Kujoe versus The Dead Zone, the Stephen

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King trifecta of nineteen eighty three. All of these movies

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forty years old this year, and we're celebrating them on

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Halloween month, right shoot, this episode's going to drop right

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next to Halloween, so you.

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Speaker 3: Guys are getting your costumes ready where you're just as

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a nineteen fifty eight Red Fury.

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Speaker 2: I want to wish everyone a happy Halloween. For the

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thousands of Shirley fans that we have out there, welcome

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back for the thousands of new people who seem to

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be joining us every day. We will treat this episode

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as an icebreaker, because the ice is gonna break. Yeah,

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the ice is gonna bright.

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Speaker 3: You know, every time I think about the Dead Zone,

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that line totally comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Let's just jump in. I mean, this is part two.

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If you've missed part one, you can start here or

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you can start there. It doesn't matter. We are free form,

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we are having fun. We are just here to have

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a good time. That's right. We're here to celebrate these

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three movies.

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Speaker 3: But before we do, do I want to I want

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to put out a call to everybody. We are really

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close to having fifty thousand followers on Facebook. Oh wow,

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I mean like forty nine thousand and change, So please

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we drop stuff all the time. We do cool memes

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and fun stuff, lots of eighties and nineties stuff. Of course,

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we drop our podcast there as well, so it's a

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great place to hook up with us. If you have

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not liked our Facebook page, go to at Shirley Podcast

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on Facebook and like Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and another quick request, we love you guys. We

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that's cool. But if you would leave us a five

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know about us. It kind of moves us up in

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the rankings, and we really appreciate you guys being able

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to do that. And if you would like to buy

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become a Patreon member for as little as five bucks

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a month. We've got different tiers. Some of those will

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do on one Hit Wonders of the eighties and nineties.

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It's some of our most fun episodes. It's a very

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cozy kind of thing, and we love diving into some

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of these crazy one hit wonders of the eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Patreon member, you might get a call

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from us to join us on a Patreon episode. And

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we reached out to our buddy Chris Weber. We pulled

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Speaker 2: Day or so, exactly exactly. It was a great time. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Do We've got a five star review that I want

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to give a throw out to our guy Mike Campo

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saw that. Yeah yeah, so Mike says, Hey, guys, I

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always enjoy the content you put out and look forward

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to every week the new episode.

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Speaker 2: Keep it up.

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Speaker 3: My favorite episodes are when you guys compare movies with

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one another. So maybe he'll like today. But he recommended

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total recall versus Starship Troopers.

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Speaker 2: Man, that's fantastic. Oliver Hoven, Yeah, that'd be fun, right, absolutely. Yeah.

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We did a podcast on Total Recall with the thirty

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and then versus Starship Troopers would be a perfect matchup.

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to Total Recall. David Cronenberg worked heavily on Total Recall, Yeah,

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and it just wasn't happening for him, and so he

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abandoned that ship and ended up making The Fly, which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also that one has been recommended to us

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that we do a match out the Fly, and the

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suggestion was the thing, right, which would have made sense,

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But we've already done that one. Sure, But now I'm

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thinking we do that one versus The Body Snatchers because

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in the seventies and eighties. That'd be fun, that would

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talk about Stephen King and the movies that he produced. Yeah. Absolutely.

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give you a list. So I know you haven't read

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too many of Stephen King books. You've read a few,

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and we actually put it out as a poll on

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our Patriot member and then several of them have read

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ten plus books.

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Speaker 2: By Stephen King.

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Speaker 3: We are going to give you our list of the

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top three Stephen King film adaptations, and then just for fun,

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I'm going to throw in my top three Stephen King

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books and I may even throw in some short stories

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Speaker 2: So sounds great, man, sounds great? Okay, Okay. So we

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mentioned last time, or at least we kind of grazed

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over the idea that the inspiration for Kujo was actually

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an experience that Stephen King had had. He had a motorcycle.

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He needed some repair work done to the motorcycle and

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was told, Hey, there's this guy who lives out in

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the country, but he's really a good mechanic and he

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this book. He's also said, I was so addicted to

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alcohol and cocaine at this point that I do not

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remember writing the book at all. So it's crazy. Can

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remember the inspiration for the story. He just can't remember

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writing the story. It's it's kind of nuts.

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gonna play your socks off.

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producer for Salem's Lot, and Stephen King really enjoyed what

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a bunch of people in a town, and that one

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this fictional town called castle Rock. Yeah, so Kujo happens

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Speaker 3: Which is actually kind of the death of castle Rock.

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because it was a long process anyway. But the house

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that they go to is called the Camber House because

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that's the mechanics name is Camber. She doesn't know when

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kujo as well as his friend. But he's a big

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turd anyway, so you don't really mind him dying. But

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was an old farmhouse and the son of the family

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that owned it actually hung himself in the tree that

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the tree, having no idea about this story. And the

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them up and down and then Danny Pitturo's mother comes

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himself with this place? And he's like yeah, and she says, well,

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: She's got the shine that is cool? Right? That makes

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm doing a Fraser podcast even though you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's a terrible idea back before they reboot

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the entire series. Now it's not such a bad idea, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So our buddy Jeff Johnson is joining me. We're recapping

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the new Fraser series on Paramount Plus. If you like

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Fraser can talk about the old Fraser. We're talking about

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the new Fraser show. Come check over there.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if everybody knows, but Jason

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is the guy who came up with a brilliant name

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for our podcast of surely you can't be serious. Thank you.

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And the name of this podcast is also brilliant. It's

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called Crane Scrutiny. Could not pick a better title. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That's very good. Jeff actually came up with that, So.

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Speaker 2: Good job, Jeff. Yep, we're gonna have fun.

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Speaker 3: Check us out the Crane Scrutiny covering the new TV show.

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Speaker 2: On I've heard your first episode covering the first two episodes,

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and I loved every second of it. Thanks Bunny. Yeah, awesome. Okay,

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so cars are obviously heavily involved in Christine. But this car,

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this Pento car that she has, this this piece of

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by the way, Dee Wallace was like, if I am

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never around another Pinto as long as I live, it

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will be too soon. Hey, it bears rementioning.

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Speaker 3: You sent me a text when we were working on

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part one. The car that the dad drives is like

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one hundred and ten thousand dollars Jag. The car that

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the mom gets, you know, you get the haul around

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Speaker 2: Go eighty five hundred poo. Yes. So just like with Christine,

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they had to have several different vehicles they used in

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this because they're filming inside of the car and then

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obviously lots of damage happens to the car over the

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course of the terrorization that's going on. But there's a

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fantastic scene. I say fantastic. It's it's very interesting. It

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made me a little naucious watching it. But there's a

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the back, and then it spins around again to her

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crazy work, really cool shot.

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they're like, were you scared, you know, were you scared

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of the dog? Were you scared of this? And you're

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making an R rated movie and it's a horror movie.

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He's like, no, No, I was fascinated, like the whole time.

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He's like, I was captivated by the fact that somebody's

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job was to recreate doggie prints on the window.

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Speaker 2: Well, somebody's job was to be the dog. Sometimes it's right,

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memorable scene where the dog is running towards the car

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and head butts the side of the car and like

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shakes the whole car when he hit butts the car

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right right. So the way they did that was one

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of the cars with the doors removed, and so they

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would have the trainer on one side of the car

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with the dog toy, and then the dog on the

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other side of the car, and the dog would run

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as fast as he could to go through the car

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in the open doors to get his toy. Well, so

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then they cut the scene so that just before you

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see the dog about to hit the car, then they

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cut to the guy in the dog suit or guy

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in the docks h smashing his head again, smashing his

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head against the car door.

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Speaker 3: The guy in the dog suit, luckily we don't get

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a good glimpse of him because I saw him dressed

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up and we talked about the picture with him and

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Dee Wallace doing the high kick. He looks like he's

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out of banana splits or you know, checking cheese.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look realistic at all. But there was no

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point watching the movie that I was like, oh, there's

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the guy in the cost They did a very ad.

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That guy's name, by the way, Gary Morgan. Just in

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case you want to know, he appeared in Pete's Dragon

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as well. Just Pet's Dragon. Okay, okay, I got a

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question for you, man, what is your favorite scene of Cuja?

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Speaker 3: My favorite scene of Kujo, and I don't want to

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give it away, it's when the monster comes back to

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life and is smashes through the window. The first time

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I saw it, I jumped out of my chair and

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I was a little kid, and so that really blew

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me away. And I didn't quite know the cinematic rules

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of well, a good bad guy is never really dead, right.

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Speaker 2: So you sent me a thing that Charles Bernstein, the

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composer in this movie, that he had said He's like,

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in this movie, the dog is killed by not one bat,

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but two. The bat that bites him and then her

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swinging the bat, right, yeah. And then I was like, well, yeah,

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but except that he's not that's right. He's actually killed

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by And then I sent you a picture of a

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bat for four magnum. Three bats. Took three bats to

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take Kujo down. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to our good friend Jeff Johnson and uh,

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we were talking about d Wallace swinging a baseball bat,

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and he said, yeah, she she went to the Wendy

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Torrance School of hitting.

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Speaker 2: Wendy Torrance from the shining. That's right, just kind of

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go away bag swinging the bat like the ancient Egyptians

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would swing a grass fan. Yes, not exactly, Babe, Ruth. No, no, okay.

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So my favorite scene for Kujo is it's a great

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scare technique and Lewis Teg talked about it, but I

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noticed it when he first did it. He gives you

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this illusion because d Wallace is sitting there. She's got

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her leg hanging out the door. She's trying to do

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something with Danny. We haven't been fully attacked yet, but

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she's got her car door open and her leg out,

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Like I mean, there you go, prime grade a calf

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muscle right there to fight into. And you were going

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from what you believe to be the point of view

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of the dog and you go right up to her

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and then nothing happens, and then you're looking at her

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doing something with Danny, and then all of a sudden,

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the dog attacks from the opposite window. He tricks you

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thinking your point of view of the dog when you're

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actually just being prepped to be scared. Masterful. Yeah, a

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lot of.

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Speaker 3: Things in this movie were just very skillfully done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about Christine. Okay, we talked about

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the cars already that were used to the Pento cars,

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multiple cars that they had to use on Christine. Fifteen

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percent of their budget and this was not a small

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budget movie. Sure, fifteen percent went to buying the cars.

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Speaker 3: I saw this like they had one guy in charge

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of just going around and snagging these things wherever you

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could find them, you know.

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Speaker 2: And they're not easy to find. We were talking about

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the late seventies, and this is a fifty eight limit Fury.

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these cars anyway, especially twenty years old fifty eight Plymouth Fury.

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But by the time they were done, and they had

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dressed them all up. By the time they were done,

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there were only two that were left undestroyed.

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Speaker 3: They were pretty liberal with the destruction of these cars,

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like lay smashed the crap out of these the entire movie.

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Speaker 2: Which brings me again to the question, what do you

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think the best scene in this one is?

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely the show me scene.

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Speaker 1: Show me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so much is it's I told you like

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this was the only one of these three movies that

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I had actually seen before in my life, you know,

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I think I was a teenager or whatever, But that

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was the memory from watching the movie the first time,

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was that scene. I don't know that he shot the

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whole movie in anamorphic lens, but at that point it's

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so obvious that he's got it because those lights are

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just totally you got that horizontal peak on those and

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they look so cool, just the lights just coming on

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and that, I mean, John Carpenter drops that pered sound,

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Oh my gosh. But the actual regeneration of the car,

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it building itself back up, is flawless. I mean we're

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talking about I mean, they made this movie in eighty three.

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We're talking about limited technology and so limited that John

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Carpenter wasn't even gonna do it. He wasn't going to

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do it. Special effects guy said, let me give it

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a shot, and they did this amazing thing where instead

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of trying to push the car out to create a

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special effect where they are building the car back, they

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had it already built and then destroyed it and then

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shot it and played it in reverse.

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Speaker 3: Reverse the film. They imploded the car. Yeah, and then

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they put it in reverse and it goes back to amazing.

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Speaker 2: It is such a good scene. I mean, it's the

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best scene in the movie.

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Speaker 3: It's the best scene in the movie. And like you said,

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they were not going to shoot it. John Carpenter talked

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about how Arnie was going to do the show me line.

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The camera was going to drift off the car and

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then return and it be fixed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you would have felt cheated as an audience

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member if that had no doubt. Right, do you want

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to see the car fix itself? Yeah? I mean if

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I can watch Bill Bixby turn into the Hulk, I

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should be able, right to watch a car regenerate itself. Right,

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let me see the sleeves tear. Come on me.

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Speaker 3: We saw Herbie do all kinds of things. By the way,

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I was thinking about that when I saw I saw

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Herbie goes bananas in the theater. When the bad guys

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poured like goop into the radiator and like Herbie was sick.

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Speaker 2: I was distraughted. Oh sad, you love Herbie. You can't

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not love Herbie. That's right. So the neighborhood that they

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shot this in, does it look familiar to is it Halloween? Yeah,

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same neighborhood they shot the outdoor scenes, the suburban scenes

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they shot in the same neighborhood that they shot. Really,

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he loves Pasadena, apparently you got it. That's cool? Right? Yeah?

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I mean, and of course, like it's so hard to

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find the right place to shoot. If you've found it once,

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why not use it again? Right? Absolutely? I need a

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very American looking suburb neighborhood, right, I happened to know one.

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Let's go do it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, John Ford did everything at Monument Valley. That's you know,

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I found my spot. I'm good to go. By the way,

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I got a little tidbit on Christine. I'm just gonna

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drop right in here. The New York Times called Christine

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the most foul mouthed movie of all time because they

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use the F word a whole lot. Right, Yes, Well,

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that little nugget quickly went to the waistside because Scarface

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was released the same year, right, and.

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Speaker 2: It held the record for about three seconds.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and Scarface like double the amount of f bombs,

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So that's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So Alexandra Hall is brand new in this movie. Right,

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it's her first real acting job. Yes, she has twin sister,

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I know, right this story. Yes, So in the scenes

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where they have the bulldozer and they're doing the bulldozer

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scenes one day, as a joke, she brings her sister

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to set. She has the hair and makeup guys dresser

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just like she is, and has her go do the scene, right,

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and John Carpenter is like, are you feeling okay? That's

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going on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like what are you all right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: It's kind of this weirdness. And then finally Alexander Paul

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comes out and she's like, have you replaced me already?

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And he's like what because nobody knew that she had

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a twin sister. That's fantastic. Yeah, okay, So another couple

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of car thanks. Yeah. The movie that they're watching is

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called Thank God It's Friday. The premise of the movie

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is this guy has this car that he truly loves

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and every time he takes it out, it gets damaged

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in some.

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Speaker 3: Way really on the at the drive in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's really cool. It's car movie. Obviously,

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we've got the fifty eight Plymouth Fury. They used other

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similar cars because they were so hard to find. They

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never made the Plymouth Fury in this Candy Apple Red

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that this one is in. Really yeah, so that scene

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at the very beginning where you see it being evil

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from the factory level, it does actually make sense that

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it's red and everything else is not read because it's

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different and they didn't make them like that. Right. It

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doesn't explain it, of course, but this is a you know,

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they did that scene to explain the possession of the

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car since it wasn't the same as the novel. Interesting.

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And then you've got you've got several key vehicles. You've

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got this fifty eight Plymouth Fury. That's the star of

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the show, right. You've got the cool car that John

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Stockton's driving around that is a sixty eight Dodge Charger

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for forty That thing was a sweet That was a

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sweet ride. Now you know you're a parent.

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Speaker 3: When he peels out of the driveway going like you know,

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forty miles an hour backwards. I'm like, you're gonna kill

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some kid.

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: Sir?

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Speaker 2: I got a brand new sixteen year old driver who

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got a ticket a ticket last week for going eighty

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in a fifty five. I'm going to decapitate. What are

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you doing, sir? You're enough driver for this, that's right.

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Obviously you've got the very memorable bulldozer. I mean he

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is the bulldozer becomes the hero of the movie. Does Yeah,

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I mean that's it's kind of funny because John Carpenter

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talked about that scene almost being like a rape scene,

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like he's he's mounting the car. Yeah, yeah, it's domination.

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He had to get trained to drive it. But I mean,

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what a cool I mean, how cool would it? I mean,

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not quite as cool as Tom Cruise learning how to

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fly planes and stuff, but it would be cool to like, Okay,

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we need you to learn how to drive a bulldozer

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for the scena. Okay, yeah, it sounds awesome.

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Speaker 3: Good And in fact, they they weren't intending to tread

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all the way over the car. They thought it might

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be a little dangerous, and one of the guys was like, well,

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why should you just let me try it and it's

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cool because it's very satisfying smash.

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Speaker 2: I could remember when I very first moved to Norman.

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I had this little piece of crap that would just

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break down all of the time. And I broke down

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right as I got into Norman, and this cop came

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over and I was like, if I could just get

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it over the gas station, He's like, I can call

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you a tow truck. I'm like, dude, I just moved

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here and I'm in college. Six dollars I can't afford

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to say total, and so this I'm telling this to

473
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,240
this cop and he kind of looks side to side

474
00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,640
and he's like, well, I could push you. Yeah. I

475
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,319
was like, let's go for buddy, just that little joy

476
00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:05,400
of like I get to use the hard power tools

477
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,359
on my car. Okay, one last car. Yeah, this one's

478
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,640
going to escape most people's attentions. Harry Harry Dean Stanton. Yeah, detective, Okay, yeah, yeah,

479
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,599
he's driving a standard police issue vehicle. Do you know

480
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,359
what it was? No, a Plymouth fury Are you serious?

481
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,759
I am serious. It was in nineteen seventy eight instead

482
00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:27,440
of nineteen fifty eight, but his he was driving at

483
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,960
Plymouth Fury as well. Interesting, very good. Okay. By the way,

484
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,559
another tidbit for you. Since this time, Stephen King has

485
00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:39,039
written two characters in one story that were somewhat based

486
00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:42,400
on Harry Dean Stanton. Story was The Green Mile, and

487
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,920
the characters were Harry Terwilliger and Dean Stanton. Of course, yeah,

488
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,880
that's right. And then in the movie The Green Mile,

489
00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,200
Harry Dean Stanton is actually in it. He's old too too. Yep,

490
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,920
that's correct, doing all the stuff, doing the dry there

491
00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:01,880
the dress rehearsal right, yep, yeah, yeah, that's right. Good one.

492
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,359
You got some stuff on the music I do. I

493
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,480
want to hear it. I do. We're talking Christine music.

494
00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:07,440
Christine music.

495
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so we know that the composer of

496
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,680
Christine was John Carpenter. I mean, John Carpenter does all

497
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,559
of his own type of stuff. He did it with

498
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:16,759
this other guy named Alan Holworth. But I want to

499
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:19,680
talk about the rock and roll music used in Christine.

500
00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:20,039
Speaker 2: Okay.

501
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: Once I started looking into this, I was like, d

502
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,559
have you looked into this? You're like no, I'm like,

503
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,079
don't do it right, Because once I started looking at this,

504
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,319
I'm like, did Carpenter only choose people who had horrible

505
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,880
deaths to do the soundtrack of this.

506
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

507
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 3: So other than we know Bad to the Bone is used.

508
00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:37,319
Speaker 2: At the beginning of this movie.

509
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was like one of the first times

510
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,720
that they used Bad to the Bone. Now we know

511
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,440
since then it's been used at jillion times in one

512
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,079
hundred thousand different movies, and it's kind of lost its luster.

513
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: But this was like the first time where they used it.

514
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,279
This was that was the suggestion of Bill Phillips, by

515
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:53,960
the way, the writer, the screenwriter. Okay, yeah, he not

516
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:56,440
only suggested it because when he went in to push it,

517
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,640
the producers had not heard the song before, like it's

518
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,799
a new song in nineteen eighty three, yeah, and so

519
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,960
they hadn't heard it. And so Bill Phillips is like,

520
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:11,680
I literally had to go I think I heard of

521
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,559
that one. Okay.

522
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:16,319
Speaker 3: So you have George Thorogood and the Destroyers. They have

523
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,880
Bad to the Bone. You've got Buddy Holly and the Crickets,

524
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,640
and they have a song called not Fade Away. Of course,

525
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,839
Buddy Holly was killed in the plane crash along with

526
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,119
Richie Allens, the Big Bopper. You can see it if

527
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,680
you watch the movie Lobamba.

528
00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: Right the day the music died. That's it. Yeah, okay.

529
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 3: Then you have a song called Pledging My Love by

530
00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:33,200
Johnny Ace.

531
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,559
Speaker 2: Now these guys are not huge guys, mainly because they

532
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:39,799
died young. Okay. Now, Johnny Ace was known to play

533
00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:42,039
with guns. Okay, okay, there's an.

534
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: Urban legend out there that he shot himself playing Russian Roulette.

535
00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:47,680
Member of his band said, no, that's not true at all.

536
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,519
Speaker 2: Here's what happened.

537
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: He's flashing the gun around and they're like, dude, put

538
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,160
that away, you're gonna shoot somebody. He's like, it's not loaded.

539
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,480
Look boom oh cub boom, put it to his forehead

540
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:04,920
and pulled the trigger. Oh okay Johnny Ace, Okay.

541
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: Not so much now.

542
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: Then then you've got a song by Robert and Johnny

543
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,880
called We Belong Together. Okay, nothing major there, Okay. Then

544
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,559
you got a song by Little Richard called keep a Knocking. Right.

545
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,559
Speaker 2: That's a famous song, right and key moment because it's

546
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,680
the he locks the doors and everybody's trying to get

547
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,559
out or in and can't. That's right.

548
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,039
Speaker 3: So Little Richard one of the major players in rock

549
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,839
and roll history, right, a huge guy architect of rock

550
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,839
and roll. Yeah, when he started out was an evangelical

551
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,880
Christian teetotaler. Flashed forward a few years, and he's got

552
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,400
heroin and cocaine and alcohol problems and sexual deviancy like

553
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:44,440
voyeurism and pooking and group sex and all this weird stuff. Okay,

554
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:46,880
it was the seventies, it was a crazy time. Okay,

555
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,359
But he develops this intense drug habit. Right, Hey, put

556
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,559
that one on pause. Let's move on to the next

557
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,200
song by a guy named Larry Williams. Yeah, he sings

558
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,440
a song called Bonnie Maroney.

559
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

560
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 3: He and Little Richard are good buddies. Okay, they're also

561
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,519
drug buddies. Like they love each other like good friends.

562
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:04,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

563
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:06,599
Speaker 3: Well, turns out that Little Richard owed Larry Williams some

564
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,279
money for drugs, and Larry Williams showed up one day

565
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,119
with a gun, was going to kill Little Richard over

566
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,200
drug money. Now, he didn't do anything, and it didn't

567
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,960
kill him. That moment actually pushed Little Richard to get

568
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,440
out of drugs, get back to religion.

569
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:21,079
Speaker 2: I could do it.

570
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: Somebody waving a gun in your face is going to

571
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,519
get your attention. Yeah, Okay, all right, then you've got

572
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,359
another song by Danny and the Juniors. This song is

573
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,960
called rock and roll is Here to Stay? Famous song?

574
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,119
Right Danny of Danny and the Juniors On April second,

575
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,759
nineteen eighty three, about the time filming started for this movie.

576
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he checked.

577
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,799
Speaker 3: Himself into a hotel room in Courtsville, Arizona and committed suicide.

578
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: Whoa wow, death death death, Wow? How about that? That

579
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,400
is crazy.

580
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: I will say that the rock music used in this

581
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,680
movie is it's powerful and it's almost creepy.

582
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

583
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean it's every single time a song is playing,

584
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,240
you go, what are they saying? How does it plight

585
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,359
to the scene and you go, ah, yes, that's what

586
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,319
I see, Like I hear you knocking, but you can't

587
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:06,799
come in part yes, exactly. And it's like the voice

588
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,920
of Christine exactly. Yeah. She plays it as though she's

589
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,039
speaking speaking to you, yes, or singing as the case maybe.

590
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,880
Now speaking of music, jumping back over to the dead zone,

591
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:21,119
the ice is gonna break. This is I think the

592
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,440
first movie, if not the first movie, it's one of

593
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
the only movies that David Cronenberg did not work with

594
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,759
Howard Shore. Howard chores normally the guy that does the

595
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,160
music for David Cronenberg. Yes, but at this one, it's

596
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,000
the guy that we've talked about multiple times. Now, Michael

597
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:39,839
came in another big hitter. He would compose this music

598
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,240
on his piano in his apartment at home, and eventually

599
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,240
one of the neighbors came and knocked on his door

600
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,240
and said, yeah, could you stop playing the music because

601
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,079
you're giving my entire family nightmares. It's it's creepy. It's

602
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,119
like dark overtones, right, yeah, yeah.

603
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Now Michael Caman has done Pink Floyd The Wall, and

604
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,240
he worked with Pink Floyd on that. He did Life

605
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,000
Force with Matilda. May have ever seen that Life Force?

606
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:06,839
You know what I'm talking about?

607
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: I have not. He did Leave the Weapon and Die

608
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,319
Hard yep. He did Last Action Hero.

609
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,599
Speaker 3: And then Quick Throw Out to a nineteen eighty one

610
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,759
classic starring Oliver Reed. He did Venom, Oh, Black Mambas,

611
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Breakout and Are on the Loose, the personal favorite of mine.

612
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, one quick.

613
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: Note that I forgot to mention, Uh huh. I think

614
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,839
they cut it out at the end of the movie.

615
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:31,039
But George Thoroughgood shows up at the end of Christine

616
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,240
as one of the guys who's smashing the car.

617
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: Yes, he did. He was in a scene with Bill Phillips.

618
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,240
They were the Junkyard workers. Bill Phillips said the scene

619
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,240
was so bad that they had to cut it.

620
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

621
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: I like, I don't know how you have a three

622
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,359
second scene that the acting is that bad, But he

623
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,039
said it was. I should never be an actor. It

624
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:54,000
was terrible. That's funny. Bill Phillips, the screenwriter for Christine. Yes,

625
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:57,839
so tidbit on the Dead Zone. The Old Mom actress's

626
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,680
name is Jackie Burrows. Okay, okay. She plays Vera Smith,

627
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,279
Johnny Smith's mom. Yes, right, Yes, she was only four

628
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,720
years older than Christopher Walking. Wow, she looks like the

629
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,160
crip keeper. No, I'm like what and I looked it up.

630
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,079
She was in her early forties when she made the shoes.

631
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,319
She was born in nineteen thirty nine, which means she

632
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,799
was what forty four when this movie came out. She

633
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
looked like she was in her late sixties.

634
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,039
Speaker 3: You know that is insane. I will tell you something

635
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,559
from the novel, just that character, Johnny Smith's mom is

636
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,920
a crazy religious person.

637
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: She's a zealot, right. Yeah.

638
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,599
Speaker 3: One of the things that I remember her character did

639
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,359
in the novel. They didn't really get into it a

640
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,039
whole lot in the movie. I remember she like moved

641
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,920
to like the like the Antarctic because she thought that

642
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,839
Jesus was going to return there.

643
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:46,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

644
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,279
Speaker 3: It was a weird scene. It's been a long time

645
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:50,920
since I read it. But she would do a lot

646
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,319
of weird things in the book.

647
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: In the original script, the time between when he has

648
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,319
the accident and when he wakes up from the coma

649
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,000
instead of being instantaneous it is. In the movie, they

650
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,039
did a montage like where you see Sarah, you know,

651
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,200
standing by him and then eventually losing interest in leaving

652
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,960
and the dad kind of consoling her and all of that.

653
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,960
But through that whole montage scene, Mom is praying, like

654
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:16,480
in different places, but Mom is always praying. She loves

655
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,880
her son. Speaking about moms who love their son. Yeah,

656
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,680
you have the also the Frank Dodd scene.

657
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: That's the one I thought you were getting ready to

658
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,279
talk about that.

659
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: I did sit to you because I'm just watching the movie,

660
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,039
you know, I've I've got it on that I've got

661
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,400
on the big screen and I'm watching the scene where

662
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,400
she gets shot goes by, and I'm like, oh no,

663
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,759
I got to rewind that one. I had to take

664
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,440
a picture. That's the worst squib explosion I have ever

665
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,000
seen the movie. It looks like you remember the school

666
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,039
boxes we used to have with our kids, Like it's

667
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,680
that big in her sweater. Yeah, this is giant squib

668
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,599
blowing up when she's supposed to get shot. And I

669
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:54,400
did a freeze frame and took a picture for you.

670
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,920
It turns out there were other squib problems in this one.

671
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,839
Apparently when they did the World War two scene, the

672
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:01,279
flashback World War two scene, Yeah, like they had a

673
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,680
swib on one of the soldiers go off too soon

674
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,200
and like he was severely burned on his legs and

675
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,119
growing because of this squib accident and so.

676
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: And then they cut it from the movie. You know

677
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,599
that squib that you sent me. I want to talk

678
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:15,960
about that scene for a moment, because in that movie

679
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,559
when they you know, Johnny's like Dodd's the killer and

680
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:20,920
Bannerman can't find DoD and they're like, where's DoD?

681
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: God, where are you get up here? Not suspicious at all,

682
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,400
slowly walking backwards. Yeah, he just took you just took

683
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,480
off in your car I watched him walk backwards the

684
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,759
whole way, saw him get in your car and look

685
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,720
around like he'd killed a man. Right, what the heck? What?

686
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,319
Speaker 3: It's not a good plan. But when they show up

687
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,039
to arrest him, it's like they're entering a house of

688
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,920
horse right. Yeah, you got the crazy mom who's get

689
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,559
out here, get out here. And Johnny, I remember when

690
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,160
he touches her, He's like, you knew, you knew the

691
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,960
whole time. The first time I saw that, I was

692
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,039
repulsed by that, you know, and scared. And then you're

693
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,119
wandering around this house looking for a serial killer. And

694
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,319
I'm telling you what Dodd's suicide in the movie it's

695
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,519
one of the most grotesque things, just mentally that I

696
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,599
think about, because he props those scissors up.

697
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,319
Speaker 2: And he's going to put it in his mouth, yep,

698
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:11,079
in his mouth and up his nose. I kind of gun, dude, Yeah,

699
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:12,680
I mean really, dude, make this fast.

700
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,759
Speaker 3: You got a three fifty seven or a pair of

701
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:17,039
you know, stylus scissors.

702
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,599
Speaker 2: Right, If that was me, I'd be like measuring the scissors,

703
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,599
like is this really going to go all the way?

704
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,279
Or am I just going to give myself a severe nose. Please,

705
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,240
it's at the top of my mouth.

706
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: I think in the book he severs his own jugular.

707
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,319
Speaker 2: Like okay, well that's an interesting way to do it

708
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,839
as well. Yeah. So the scene that leads up to

709
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,039
that scene is the gazebo scene, right, yeah, So they

710
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:43,599
filmed this movie in Niagara. The gazebo did not exist.

711
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,279
They built it, and the people in Niagara were like,

712
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,720
we don't want you coming to cool. Yeah we like it. No,

713
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,680
they first they didn't want it. They were like, no,

714
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,559
this is we don't want you to mess up our

715
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,319
you know, nice little city square with this movie prop.

716
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,559
But then they built it so well that they're like, oh,

717
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,960
that's actually kind of nice. He's still there, people take

718
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,160
wedding pictures. I know to this day. I would love

719
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,160
to visit it. Yeah, it's really cool.

720
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: And that tunnel where Johnny's feeling the cigarette wrappers and

721
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,240
stuff like that, it's there as well.

722
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Two more things, okay. Number one,

723
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,319
whenever he was about to have a moment or whenever

724
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,680
he was dealing with, you know, visions that he was having,

725
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,960
Christopher Walking would like jump in twitch a little bit.

726
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:34,599
So cool. David Cronenberg had a three P fifty seven

727
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,799
magnum that he would randomly fire, and that is what

728
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,160
caused Christopher Walking to jump like that legit wardrobe Chris

729
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,119
Peters pants. Again.

730
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: I love the fact that the impulses or visions that

731
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,200
he gets is like violent attacks, you know.

732
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like killing him, like it's killing him. Oh yeah.

733
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: And in the in the novel, these visions actually are

734
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,599
killing him so much so that he gets a brain

735
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,319
tumor and he can bear stand up to hold the

736
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:04,359
gun when he's like trying to assassinate Greg Stilson.

737
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: So did we talk about the different meanings of the

738
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,239
Dead Zone from the book to the movie to the

739
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,480
TV series that came out with Anthony Michael Holland I

740
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,719
don't think we differentiated. Yeah, okay, So in the book,

741
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,960
the Dead Zone is it's like this part of his

742
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,840
brain that has gone dead from the accident he had

743
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,199
when he was a kid. His brain has had to

744
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,920
rewire around it, and it's this rewiring that has given

745
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,039
him the clairvoyance. Right in the movie, the way it's

746
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:34,519
described is when he's talking to the doctor and it's

747
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,440
like this idea that he can change the future that

748
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,840
he sees, like he talks about the hockey incident, right,

749
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,679
he says, you know, there's the possibility to change the future,

750
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,280
which is of course very important for the climax of

751
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,119
the movie. And so he's like, it's that area of

752
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239
possibility of change, and that's what the dead zone is

753
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,480
in the series. There are things that he can't see,

754
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,599
and that's the dead zone in the series. Is that

755
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,599
the invisible part that he can can't quite get to?

756
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:01,559
Did you watch the series?

757
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: I watched the first couple of seasons of the series.

758
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good for a while.

759
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: I know that they like they ended season six on

760
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,280
a major cliffhanger, and then season seven never happened. So

761
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,880
it's one of those where kind of a bum deal.

762
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:19,639
Speaker 2: So, oh, it's time to reboot it. Anthony Michael is

763
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,280
still around, no man, I know he was just in

764
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:28,719
another fifteen year coma. There you go, right, Johnny you're back.

765
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

766
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: By the way, Johnny Smith terrible name for character.

767
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I think Stephen can get that on purpose

768
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,360
because he wanted it to feel like anybody, like every man.

769
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,159
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about the dolls in Kujo. You

770
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,280
know that he's got a stuffed Saint Bernard. Yes, in

771
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,480
the Dead Zone, You've got this part where he's in

772
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:51,920
the little girl's room having a vision of herbe trapped

773
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,440
in the fire, right, huh so number one, he's all sweaty, right,

774
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,000
except it's not sweat. That was the flame retardant that

775
00:35:58,039 --> 00:35:59,880
they put on him, but it looked like sweat. It

776
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,960
was really effective because I mean, if you were surrounded

777
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,000
by fire, would be sweating, no doubt. And not only

778
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,400
would it be hot, but you'd be scared. That's true.

779
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,639
But but they had to film it again because in

780
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,840
the in the scene there is a stuffed et doll

781
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:18,280
and this is not a Universal movie and Et is

782
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,280
And when Universal caught win, they're like, we will sue

783
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,880
your pants off. Okay, let's go back and shoot the

784
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,440
buildings on fire scene.

785
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,119
Speaker 3: Hey Chris, remember that we had to cover you with

786
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,679
flame retardants and you had it laying in bed and

787
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,360
set it on fire. We got to do that again.

788
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,239
By the way, just a little tidbit on Christine Keith

789
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,519
Gordon talked about the drive in scene except for three

790
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,280
days he had to make out with Alexandra Paul. Oh yeah, yeah,

791
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,239
and he's like, I didn't want to, but somebody had

792
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,840
to do it, and I had to step up for

793
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,360
the movie.

794
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually heard, and this is a this is

795
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,559
a baller move right here. He knew that they had

796
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,840
to kiss on camera, and so he says, I don't

797
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,119
really want our first kiss to be awkward on camera.

798
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,079
Do you think we should kiss beforehand? Let's practice? And

799
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:07,880
she went for you. She's nineteen, Okay, brilliant. I'm an

800
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,360
actor of it.

801
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, it's a lot better if you

802
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,239
practice first.

803
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,159
Speaker 2: Okay.

804
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,559
Speaker 3: One of the big things I want to talk about

805
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,920
before we move on to final judgment, Yeah, is there

806
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,519
is a major difference between the Kujo book and the

807
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:23,679
Kujo movie.

808
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, big, big, big spoiler alert

809
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:29,119
for well both of them. Early Yeah.

810
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in fact, Stephen King said, if there's one

811
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,840
book in this world that I would rewrite.

812
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:36,039
Speaker 2: It's Kujo, at least the ending.

813
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: So in the end, Tad, the little boy, dies of

814
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,599
dehydration in the novel.

815
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

816
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 3: In the novel, at the end of the novel, when

817
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,559
Vics finally shows up, Tad's dead.

818
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then there's this whole epilogue.

819
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: Where Donna has to go to the hospital, and you know,

820
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,599
the Cambers are putting their life back together after their

821
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,679
her husband was killed and Tad's dead and Donna has

822
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,199
rabies and it is very somber ending, a very sad

823
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,599
and like heart wrenching. Yeah, so I think, and Stephen

824
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:06,760
King even thinks that stroke of genius let Tad live

825
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,199
at the end.

826
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,199
Speaker 2: Of the movie, for sure, for sure. Absolutely what was

827
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,159
not a stroke of genius was that. Then thirty seconds

828
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:16,079
later they ended a freeze frame. Yeah, you didn't like

829
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:17,000
that at all? What is that?

830
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: What? Like?

831
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: I mean, she comes out, they've seen each of the

832
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,760
husband has finally arrived, Vic is back, right, finally arrived.

833
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,679
She's there with the boy in her arms. She's just

834
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,360
killed the dog and she hands him the body of

835
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:39,039
their still barely living boy and freeze what freeze roll credits?

836
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,440
See And I watched I watched the making of on

837
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:44,519
this and I heard Lewis Tige talk about what they're

838
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:45,599
going to do the end and he's like, when we

839
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,840
just decided to do a freeze frame and gave no

840
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,719
further explanation because there's not one. Why You've got this

841
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,000
entirely emotional release And oh my gosh, and that comes

842
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,039
back when the dog busts through the window and then

843
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,119
you're like, oh, the family is reunited.

844
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:10,079
Speaker 3: Cut, I know, right, Freeze nothing else that's crazy. A

845
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,760
hug and a kiss would be okay, A punch in

846
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,679
his face, Yeah.

847
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: That would have been great. That would have been a

848
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,599
great ending, you son of a Freeze frame on her

849
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,679
socking him in the jaw like maryon socks Indiana Jones,

850
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,320
And that would have been perfect. That's right, perfect ending.

851
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,599
Rewrite it.

852
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: That's hilarious, all right, d So is it time to

853
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:35,800
move to final judgment between these three?

854
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,039
Speaker 2: Uh? It is? Are we going to talk about your

855
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:39,719
favorite films first?

856
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do that on the on the pit stop

857
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,079
on the way to final judgment. Yeah, let's discuss our

858
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,960
three favorite Stephen King film adaptations.

859
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: Okay, mine is number one. Is easy because it's my

860
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,000
favorite movie of all time. It's The Shoshank Redemption. Okay,

861
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,360
based on Rita Hayworth and The Shoshank Redemption from different seasons.

862
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,679
Speaker 3: Yes.

863
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: My the second one is also from different seasons. It's

864
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,920
stand by Me, which is based on the Body. Yes,

865
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,480
this short story of the Body right right, Both of

866
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,360
them fantastic I've read them both, loved the written work,

867
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,000
love the movies. Number three is much longer, both book

868
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,519
and movie. Okay, before I get there, I'm gonna do

869
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,480
a quick honorable mention. Okay, Sure. The first Stephen King

870
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,719
book I read was it. As you can tell from

871
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,519
my picks and from our talk and our Halloween episodes,

872
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,559
I am not a scary movie guy. When the new

873
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,639
movie came out just recently, like twenty seventeen, I think

874
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,440
is when it came out, so, you know, five years ago.

875
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,679
But I was like, I gonna see it. I don't

876
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:42,199
watch scary movies. I've read the book. The book's fantastic.

877
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,360
I don't need to see the movie. But my daughter,

878
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,719
who was at that point, I guess fifteen or so herself,

879
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,519
she was like, do you want to go see this

880
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:51,760
movie because she had she started watching scary movies at

881
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,599
that point. Sure. I was like, She's like, I'd love

882
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:55,840
it if you came and watched it with me. And

883
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,079
I look at it and it's got I mean, it's

884
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,519
been out for a while and it's got over an

885
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,159
eight on IMDb. It was like an eight point one

886
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,480
or eight point two. It is like, sure, oh dang,

887
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,920
this is actually a good movie. This isn't just a

888
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,559
scary movie. This is a good And you look at

889
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,559
people who like scary movies and they would call this

890
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,400
a baby scary movie, Like, this is not a scary movie.

891
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,559
But I was scared crapless the whole time, like my

892
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,800
mouth was open. But it's so wonderfully done it. They

893
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,519
found that style like stand By Me, where they're taking

894
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:27,079
you back and you feel like you've gone back to

895
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,199
the fifties, but really you've gone back to the eighties,

896
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,119
and they do it perfectly in that movie. So that's

897
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:34,360
my honorable mention. Okay, sure. And then my number three,

898
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,679
number three is eleven twenty two to sixty three. Loved

899
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,960
the book from beginning to end, loved it, and James

900
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,559
Franco did a fantastic job with the series. Yeah I

901
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,039
loved it. Yep, very good. Okay.

902
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,599
Speaker 3: So, because I suspected that our three were gonna be

903
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:51,760
so similar, yeah, I'm gonna give you a different three.

904
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,159
Speaker 2: Okay.

905
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:54,039
Speaker 3: So because my number one is Shawshank, my number two

906
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,519
is stand by Me, My number mine personal number three

907
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,480
is The Green Mile, Okay, the Tom Hanks movie Mile.

908
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,360
Just I just love the sort of hope and emotional

909
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,559
pull of that movie. It's funny that of my top

910
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,199
three Stephen King movies, none are scary, like none or

911
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,840
horror movies, right, you know. But from there, the next

912
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:18,360
is the Stand of the miniseries, the TV mini series Okay, wow, yeah,

913
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,960
and it's cheesy and it's not acted well, but it

914
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:25,199
was such a must see television event for me in

915
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,880
ninety four. I watched it like my college buddies. We

916
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,079
we set the VCR and we were in front of

917
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:30,880
the TV and.

918
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: That was a big deal to us. And then the

919
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,360
Dead Zone.

920
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite Stephen King film adaptations.

921
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: It's a great one. Yeah, it really is.

922
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,639
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna throw in I've got a couple of

923
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,519
h just tipped your judgment, by the way.

924
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,679
Speaker 2: I know I did. I'm sorry.

925
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:48,559
Speaker 3: I've got my top three Stephen King books. Okay, okay,

926
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,440
So I've read twenty or thirty Stephen King books.

927
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: I think you've read what two or three?

928
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:53,079
Speaker 1: No?

929
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:57,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, three maybe okay, mostly short stories, two full books

930
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,159
it and eleven twenty two sixty three.

931
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: All right, So my top three Stephen King books are

932
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,760
number three, Misery. I'm one of these people who hates

933
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,599
the movie, like, I do not like the movie really really,

934
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,639
because I'm so well, I was so mesmerized by the book,

935
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,519
uh huh, and she was so horrific in the book.

936
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,079
Speaker 2: William Goldman is the one who wrote the screenplay for

937
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,719
the movie. And spoiler alert if you haven't read the

938
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,360
book or if you haven't seen the movie, but if

939
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you have seen the movie, you know the hobbling scene.

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It's very memorable. Sure in the book, she cuts off

941
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his feet with a blowtorch. Am I right?

942
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Speaker 3: She uses an axe to remove his foot, then she

943
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cauterizes his leg to stop the bleeding.

944
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Speaker 2: Uh huh, with a blowtorch. William Goldman when they came

945
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to him and said, hey, we want to change this

946
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where we don't want her to chop off the legs

947
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and we don't want to do the blow porch, He's like,

948
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are you crazy? This is the most memorable part of

949
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,719
the book. It is a brilliant scene. Are you crazy?

950
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He said? After he saw the movie, he realized he

951
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:56,800
was wrong. It'd have been too much. It had been

952
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too much for a movie.

953
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Speaker 3: Everybody else loves the movie because of that scene, and

954
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I'm like, that's not harsh.

955
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Speaker 1: Enough.

956
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Speaker 3: The book was she also takes his thumb off like

957
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she she turkey knives' his thumb off. So number three

958
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book Misery, Number two, The Stand. I absolutely love The

959
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Stands epics thousand pages and it's good versus evil and

960
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it's awesome.

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Speaker 2: In this process, I've listened to several Stephen King interviews,

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usually on the David Lettermanzio. Yeah, but he's in one

963
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of the interviews. He was talking about The Stand and

964
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how he had he had built this story like he

965
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:33,559
doesn't know where it's going to go by the way

966
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you talk. We talked about the difference in the end

967
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,480
on Kujo. People were mad at him because the little

968
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,000
boy died, right, and his response was, I'm not God.

969
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,880
I didn't want him to die either. It's just the

970
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way that the story happened, you know, and so and

971
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so it's it makes sense that he would change, you know,

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if he could choose, he would go back and change it.

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But he doesn't. He doesn't have the end in mind

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when he starts writing a book.

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Speaker 3: It's it's fascinating how he writes.

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Speaker 2: And so with the Stand, he had gotten himself in

977
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the position where he had developed all of these characters

978
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and he's halfway. I mean he's hundreds of pages into

979
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,079
the book, and he's like, how am I going to

980
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,400
resolve all of these stories? And he's just on a

981
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,679
walk on a fall day. I just went for a walk.

982
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,760
And at some point he was like, could drop a

983
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,960
bomb on him? Yep, I could drop a bomb on him. Yeah,

984
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,320
I'll drop a bomb on him. And that was his solution.

985
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,159
I'm just going to just suddenly kill half of the characters.

986
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:28,239
It's such a climax. I love it.

987
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,679
Speaker 3: And then finally, my number one book, my number one

988
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,480
Stephen King book of all time is eleven twenty two

989
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sixty three. Yeah, it's great, absolutely awesome.

990
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: It's great.

991
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,119
Speaker 3: What would you do if you could prevent the assassination

992
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:41,639
of John F.

993
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: Kennedy or alter the future? I mean anything, or at

994
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,599
this point, get Hamburger for only a dollar ninety five?

995
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,679
That's right, that's right.

996
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,199
Speaker 3: Such besides high or low, it's up to you, all right.

997
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,039
Just a quick little thing, because I've read a lot

998
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of his short stories.

999
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: Yep. My three favorite short stories.

1000
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: Number three Dolan's Cadillac, about a guy who seeks revenge

1001
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,199
against a mobster and he buries him alive.

1002
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:06,679
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a really cool story. Yeah. Then you have

1003
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The Jaunt.

1004
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,119
Speaker 3: It's about like it's like the fly where you molecularly

1005
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,800
transport to like instantaneously. It's like instead of flying airplane

1006
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,280
across the country, you just reappear through these little teleportation pods.

1007
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,400
But if you're awake, it's eternal. If you're so, they

1008
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,360
put you to sleep in order to transmit, and it

1009
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,800
happens instantaneously, but if you are awake, that transmission takes.

1010
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: Millions of years. Huh.

1011
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: It is a mind bending story.

1012
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,639
Speaker 2: Sound called the Jaunt, the Jount. What were the books

1013
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:41,360
that these two were in.

1014
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: Uh. Dolan's Cadillac was in Nightmares and Dreamscapes. The John

1015
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,920
is in Skeleton Crew okay. And then my number one

1016
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is called Survivor Type and it's about this guy who's

1017
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,920
transporting like morphine and he's a surgeon and he's been

1018
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,400
blacklisted as a doctor and he crash lands on this

1019
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:59,440
island and so it's him by himself. He's got no food,

1020
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but he's got a ship full of morphine and he

1021
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:05,679
breaks his ankle, so he has to surgically remove his ankle. Well,

1022
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:09,079
he doesn't have any foods. Guess what he eats his ankle, Yeah,

1023
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,800
and then he goes from there. Okay, so now survivor type.

1024
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,440
You've teased him up nicely. I want to read all

1025
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three of them. That's great.

1026
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Okay, are we to final judgment?

1027
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,639
To final judgment? Well, you've tipped your hand already. I

1028
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,760
know what you're picking as your number one? Sure, right,

1029
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,800
and so I'm going to go ahead and let you

1030
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,679
tell me what number two. I mean, give me your

1031
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,519
final judgment and then I'll reveal mine to you. Okay.

1032
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,199
Speaker 3: So I've got a big nostalgic pull to Kjo, but

1033
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,480
I think it's the third best movie out of these three.

1034
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: It didn't age quite as well. I wasn't. I didn't

1035
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get the.

1036
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:44,679
Speaker 3: Same thrill from it when I first watched it. Skillfully

1037
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,679
made storytelling is good. The Little Kid drove me insane.

1038
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,719
So I'm writing that number three. Number two is Christine obviously,

1039
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and then number one.

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Speaker 2: I think.

1041
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: I think The Dead Zone is a sort of psychic

1042
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,000
supernatural masterpiece.

1043
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, it's one of David cronenberg best movies.

1044
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,639
My turn. Yeah, okay, well I won't I won't to

1045
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,079
draw this out Okay. I had seen one of these

1046
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,760
movies before we decided to do this series, and that

1047
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,400
was Christine. I had wanted to see The Dead Zone.

1048
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,599
I had not wanted to see Kujo because I had

1049
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,360
the same thought. I'm like, how can a Saint Bernard

1050
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,000
be scary? Right? And even as I watched it, I

1051
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,079
was texting you like, how did they not change the dog?

1052
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,480
I mean, at the very least, how did how do

1053
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,760
they not? I mean, a dog terrorizing a woman and

1054
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,440
her child doesn't seem like the basis for an entire

1055
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:37,719
movie for me anyway, But that dog being a big, lovable,

1056
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fuzzy dog didn't make any sense, and so I saved

1057
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it for last. It was hard for me to make

1058
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,559
myself watched it, but I'm glad that I did. For

1059
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,400
what it was story wise, they actually did a very

1060
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,920
good job with it. Sure, I was scared, I'm not scared,

1061
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,559
but I was surprised at moments. You know, they had

1062
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,719
good scare moments, good jump schemes. Acting I thought was phenomenal. Yes,

1063
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,440
the little kid's annoying because he's acting like any little

1064
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,280
kid in this situation. Would's true. He did a fantastic

1065
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,360
job in his performance, and I thought every other actor

1066
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,719
did a great job. I thought that the again for

1067
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what it was filmed, well, it was directed well, even

1068
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the dialogue was pretty good. It wasn't great, but it

1069
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,800
was pretty good, and so I was pleased. But it's

1070
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still number three for me. Okay. I was excited to

1071
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,719
watch Christine again. I enjoyed it the first time I

1072
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,039
saw it. I enjoyed it even more this time. And

1073
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then I was happy to watch the Dead Zone, which

1074
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,039
I hadn't seen, and it, just like you, isn't the

1075
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number one pick for me? So same, same exact layout.

1076
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Kujo's the third best, but better than I thought it

1077
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was going to be. Christine is still great and Dead

1078
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,280
Zone wowed me more than the other two by far. Wow. Fantastic, Yeah, fantastic.

1079
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,639
Speaker 3: So we totally aligned on these, all three of these

1080
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,800
movies turning forty years old, and we nailed.

1081
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,639
Speaker 2: It just in time for the Great Pumpkins. Well great, Well,

1082
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:51,199
we want to hear.

1083
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,199
Speaker 3: From you, what do you rank these three movies and

1084
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,480
where do you rank the top three Stephen King adaptations.

1085
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear that from me as well. Absolutely, guys,

1086
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,079
we appreciate you so much coming in and listening to

1087
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:03,519
us again and again, week after week. We can't tell

1088
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:05,639
you how much we appreciate your support. Thank you so

1089
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,280
much for listening. We promise to keep on doing this

1090
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,719
as long as you guys keep on listening.

1091
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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, come back next week. Dee and I

1092
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are going to tackle one of the biggest movies of

1093
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nineteen seventy.

1094
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Speaker 2: Eight, forty five years old this year, that's right, and

1095
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it's still the word. What's the word? Greece? Is the word?

1096
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,000
Grease is the word? Is the word? It's the word.

1097
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Speaker 3: So we're actually going to compare movie to soundtrack.

1098
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little different, taking, you know, a little

1099
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,760
bit different on this one. It'll be fun though.

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Speaker 3: We couldn't get anything to match up perfectly, so we thought,

1101
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well is turn it against itself exactly?

1102
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Speaker 2: I like it. Thanks guys, Thanks guys, See you next

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week