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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Othering Podcast with my Candori Okay, today
Speaker 1: we are talking to Stuff Stigma. She is a neurospicy
Speaker 1: rainbow lady who found her calling when she stepped out
Speaker 1: of the closet and onto the stage to transmute trauma
Speaker 1: into laughter. Nice, short, sweet, and to the point.
Speaker 6: Welcome Stuff yes, I wonder who what wrote that intro it?
Speaker 2: I love it. It's nice and to the point, and
Speaker 2: you know, it gives a good kind of introduction to
Speaker 2: who you are immediately.
Speaker 6: Right right, Yeah, emphasis on the train without the mute part.
Speaker 2: Definitely not muted.
Speaker 5: But you do stand up comedy, don't you.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, that's that's that's the main gig these days,
Speaker 6: kind of pivoted from musician after you know, doing that
Speaker 6: for a couple of decades.
Speaker 2: So how did you get into stand up?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I was gonna ask.
Speaker 2: That is like really cool to do and it's amazingly
Speaker 2: hard work and wow. So what started that?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, growing up like autistic, before people were
Speaker 6: talking about it, you know, I was just you know,
Speaker 6: shut in or I was just super shy, an old soul,
Speaker 6: didn't talk much. Yeh cried when the Dominoes guy rang
Speaker 6: the doorbell, you know that kind of But I remember
Speaker 6: seeing our family had just gotten cable and HBO just
Speaker 6: started being a thing. And I'm dating myself now, age wise,
Speaker 6: not sexually. And I remember I was about eight years
Speaker 6: old and I saw George Carlin for the first time,
Speaker 6: and I was just amazed that not only was he hilarious,
Speaker 6: but that you could do that just like that's the
Speaker 6: thing that people do is get up on stage and
Speaker 6: rant and rave and you know, and to laughter and
Speaker 6: applause and.
Speaker 5: And make money doing it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And it only took me about
Speaker 6: like thirty years after that to finally get it, get
Speaker 6: enough confidence and stage presence to you know, jump out
Speaker 6: of the plane.
Speaker 1: So what was it? What did it take to get
Speaker 1: that confidence in stage presence, because I'll say for me,
Speaker 1: I could never do that. Getting in front of live
Speaker 1: people terrifies me. In front of a camera with one
Speaker 1: person like this, and then later listening that doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: But on a stage, I'd be shaking.
Speaker 5: Like a leaf.
Speaker 6: Oh right, well I've been I've been getting on stage
Speaker 6: playing music for like thirty years, but I always had
Speaker 6: like an instrument, and I was you know, with other people,
Speaker 6: and but finally getting up and telling jokes, well, I
Speaker 6: think my trauma cup overflow with it was just like
Speaker 6: just like enough shit piled up that I was just
Speaker 6: sitting in the back patio one day and I just
Speaker 6: started laughing because it just everything just seemed so absurd
Speaker 6: to me all at once. Like like, oh, there's all
Speaker 6: these people just walking around going about their day to
Speaker 6: day lives, you know, thinking like, oh, I got it
Speaker 6: all figured out, you know, I got a house and
Speaker 6: a job in a car and then but at the
Speaker 6: same time, nobody knows what the fuck is going on,
Speaker 6: Like we're all in this grand mystery together, nobody, we're
Speaker 6: all flying by the seat of our pants and just
Speaker 6: pretending to have some sort of you know, mask of sanity,
Speaker 6: you know when we leave the house and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the keywords some of us, right, Yeah, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure I've seen some leave the house without their you know,
Speaker 2: masks of sanity.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 6: I stopped wearing a mask on principles ago.
Speaker 2: Me too, Like I remember being a little girl and
Speaker 2: my mom would always say it, how going to the mailbox,
Speaker 2: my grandmother would put on makeup and do her hair,
Speaker 2: and she would and my mom would always bring that
Speaker 2: up because I would happily go to the mailbox with
Speaker 2: my hair sticking up in all directions, no makeup, and
Speaker 2: in my pajamas because it's just like I don't care,
Speaker 2: I am, it's comfy. I'm just doing a chore. You know.
Speaker 2: Why do I need to look like I'm ready for
Speaker 2: my close up.
Speaker 6: Well, I can see it from both sides, honestly, because
Speaker 6: I used to be nonchalt about it until you know,
Speaker 6: my personal safety became an issue, like like not outing
Speaker 6: myself to the conservative neighborhood. You know. It's kind of like.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, and I like that you brought that
Speaker 2: up because that shouldn't have to happen, because once again
Speaker 2: you in general, being trans does not change my gender anyway,
Speaker 2: shape or form.
Speaker 6: It shouldn't. I mean, if it does, maybe consult a doctor.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely. If something's going on where because somebody
Speaker 2: is trans and my gender is changed, I need to
Speaker 2: stop seeing the doctor I was seeing or get a
Speaker 2: doctor because it has nothing to do with me, just.
Speaker 6: Like you can't your porn hub subscription.
Speaker 2: Well I don't know about that. The porn we can keep,
Speaker 2: but okay, the rest I can deal with.
Speaker 6: That was the direct at more of the uh you know,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, convention.
Speaker 2: I love it. How that? What is it like tender
Speaker 2: that they always end up killing grinder? Grinder? Yes, I
Speaker 2: don't understand that, you know, just come out of the closet.
Speaker 6: Oh well, I mean I live in you know, like
Speaker 6: a little blue dot in a red state, and uh yeah, no,
Speaker 6: I get I get hit on by plenty of uh conservatives,
Speaker 6: like like straight guys. Uh you know, had a real
Speaker 6: flexible guys and uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's ridiculous though, because if you like what
Speaker 2: you like, then it doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter. You
Speaker 2: should be able to be free to do that. And
Speaker 2: if you can choose to be straight when you know
Speaker 2: you're not, you shouldn't then push that on somebody else.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't. You know, that's your choice. Fine, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to pretend like you're straight, be my guest. But
Speaker 2: if just because you do that, you have no right
Speaker 2: to then force other people into the box that you
Speaker 2: forced yourself.
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think the problem is when you
Speaker 6: attach a lot of like religious shame and guilt onto
Speaker 6: all of that, and you've got like this generational system
Speaker 6: of you know, like man or men and they're not
Speaker 6: allowed to show emotions or cry or anything or else
Speaker 6: that makes them a sissy and get them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because you know, you can't throw like a girl,
Speaker 2: you can't show emotions because that's a girl. You can't
Speaker 2: run like a girl. It's always about you can't do
Speaker 2: it like a girl. So then there, as a boy,
Speaker 2: you're immediately taught everything that is a girl is terrible
Speaker 2: and wrong. So now you've got to hate girls.
Speaker 6: And yeah, yeah, that's you've gotta you gotta eat this
Speaker 6: red pil now, right.
Speaker 2: And it's ridiculous and stupid because girls are just as
Speaker 2: powerful and just as wonderful as boys and non binaries
Speaker 2: and chance. Yeah, you know, all of us in general
Speaker 2: are just as good, if not better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah, that's a tricky thing to having. Yeah,
Speaker 6: growing up with with the the on the other side
Speaker 6: of the patriarchy, you know, like like every single move
Speaker 6: I made, every single word I said, like went through
Speaker 6: this filter that I was constantly conscious about, like is
Speaker 6: that too feminine? Is that too feminine? Is that gay?
Speaker 6: Is that gay? Is that too feminine? Just NonStop on
Speaker 6: these eggshells, And I mean, I think it probably made
Speaker 6: me a better actor over the years. But but through transition,
Speaker 6: it's it was, it's been this whole like unlearning process,
Speaker 6: like like, uh, just stop thinking about that shit and
Speaker 6: act naturally and then oh wait, this is easy. This
Speaker 6: is way easier to be you know, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And it's also like an unlearning for I think everybody
Speaker 2: that's disabled or LGBTQ plus because again, you know, from birth,
Speaker 2: you're taught that girls are yucky and everything about a
Speaker 2: girl is effeminate, and if you're effeminate, then that's gross.
Speaker 2: Even as a female, you're also taught you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to be girly, because girly girl is, you know, the
Speaker 2: wrong thing to be. You have to be the tomboy
Speaker 2: if you want to be able to do anything other
Speaker 2: than you know, sitting pretty frilly dresses. And it's a
Speaker 2: lot of a learning curve to deconstruct those rigid boxes
Speaker 2: of how you're supposed to be as a boy or
Speaker 2: how you're supposed to be as a girl, and then
Speaker 2: be able to break that mold and be yourself is
Speaker 2: awesome because it's freeing and yeah, yeah, and it's relaxing.
Speaker 2: And you know, like I went through being teased because
Speaker 2: I didn't wear makeup and I didn't you know, have
Speaker 2: the eighties hair where you have that huge like peacock
Speaker 2: feather going around with the bank.
Speaker 6: I grew up. I grew up worried about the ozone layer.
Speaker 2: I remember, yep, And I didn't do that because that
Speaker 2: wasn't me. It didn't feel right, and I also didn't
Speaker 2: want to have to deal with the fact that my
Speaker 2: hair would be tangled if I teased it to do that.
Speaker 2: So I was just thinking in terms of I have
Speaker 2: to brush it out. I'm not doing that bullshit.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, what always made it even more stressful. I
Speaker 6: think being neurodivergent is uh all of these rules and
Speaker 6: guideline just seemed so arbitrary. Yeah, like like, what what
Speaker 6: does this serve? Who is this for? Like why is
Speaker 6: this the way it is like instead of just you know,
Speaker 6: just be you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And part of well, little history, part of it
Speaker 2: is because when colonialism happened to everybody, in order to
Speaker 2: get everybody in on you know, religion and such, you
Speaker 2: had to be put in those boxes because religion kind
Speaker 2: of forces those boxes to be there, and you have
Speaker 2: to fit those boxes. If you don't fit those boxes,
Speaker 2: then you're going to be labeled an outsider. And in
Speaker 2: those colonial times, outsider meant you were either enslaved or murdered.
Speaker 6: Or you know, like Cherokee boarding houses. Like my ancestors
Speaker 6: avoided the trailer tears by you know, assimilating and marrying
Speaker 6: white people. And so that's how that you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: My ancestry too, and you had to do those.
Speaker 6: Like plag you know, or you know different Some tribes
Speaker 6: had five genders, you know, yes, all.
Speaker 2: Actually, when you delve into that, a lot of the
Speaker 2: ancient cultures, Celtic, indigenous, everything, of all the continents, they
Speaker 2: all had multiple genders. It wasn't just male and female.
Speaker 2: There was ones that were in between that were fluid,
Speaker 2: and that you know, indicated that people were wise and
Speaker 2: they were revered for their fluidity because it was assumed
Speaker 2: that they had reached a higher plane of existence and
Speaker 2: understanding of the human body. And then when colonialism came,
Speaker 2: you can't have people with power, you have to then
Speaker 2: degrade them and shove them into those boxes in order
Speaker 2: to have power over them. So thanks to you know,
Speaker 2: that manifest destiny and I'm trying to be nice here,
Speaker 2: you know, the pope and various other things. Back then,
Speaker 2: it was you assimilate or die.
Speaker 6: Well it's uh a tennis Well yeah, uh fuck all
Speaker 6: that noise exactly. First of all, first of all, nature
Speaker 6: abhors a binary. It doesn't operate in that way anywhere anywhere.
Speaker 6: But then this whole uh, this whole one, like religious
Speaker 6: cultural paradigm. You know, uh, mankind decided that they're going
Speaker 6: to take the reins and and have dominion over the
Speaker 6: earth and all its creatures and all of that. And uh,
Speaker 6: to to exert that control is is you know you've
Speaker 6: got a one or a zero and that's it. And
Speaker 6: you know it's it's just more convenient levers that way
Speaker 6: or I'm sorry, I should probably do it like that
Speaker 6: way to be patriotic. Yes, I don't dance that way.
Speaker 6: That's just how I have SENX.
Speaker 2: That's how he wishes he had it.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's funny because you don't use video for
Speaker 6: the podcast. But uh, when I think your listeners will
Speaker 6: know who we were talking.
Speaker 2: About, definitely not. You know they should because I've voiced
Speaker 2: my opinion about him multiple times. I should say it
Speaker 2: because I don't think he deserves anything of respect.
Speaker 1: I have a question, yes, if you don't mind, I
Speaker 1: got I got yelled at for cutting cutting you off before.
Speaker 1: So you had mentioned that you transitioned a little later
Speaker 1: in life. What at what point was that? And I
Speaker 1: guess why did it? What made you comfortable enough to
Speaker 1: do it at that time?
Speaker 6: Probably head injuries? I mean, well, yeah, I mean it
Speaker 6: kind of coincided around the same time that I started
Speaker 6: stand up. So like my comedy and my transition is
Speaker 6: my transition has been like very public because it's been
Speaker 6: you know, on stage essentially, and uh uh yeah, it
Speaker 6: was just I just kind of had a break just
Speaker 6: uh just to be candid, h a psychotic breakdown, just
Speaker 6: a you know, complete yeah, to blam out and uh
Speaker 6: and and uh standing there in the in the in
Speaker 6: the smoldering wreckage that was my life, realizing, oh, I
Speaker 6: have nothing left to lose. I am just letting it
Speaker 6: all out now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm glad because the more people are able
Speaker 2: to be themselves, the more other people can see that
Speaker 2: these boxes that were pushed in doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: And I honestly, for me personally, I think you guys
Speaker 2: are more evolved than you know, a lot of us
Speaker 2: because you understand both sides. You understand well quote unquote
Speaker 2: both sides, because there's more than one, just the two sides.
Speaker 2: But I think and your your beauty shines through way
Speaker 2: more because you're happy. Your eyes, you know, twinkle when
Speaker 2: you go through these transitions to become who you are
Speaker 2: and seeing so much I know exactly, but you. You
Speaker 2: exude so much happiness, and I think it's gorgeous because
Speaker 2: being happy should be the goal. It shouldn't be about,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to keep us unhappy, because what's the
Speaker 2: point of that.
Speaker 6: Well, it's like, have you heard of did you ever
Speaker 6: see that Ted talk with the Prime Minister of Bhutan.
Speaker 6: It's like an old Ted talk.
Speaker 2: At Yeah, it is an old one item I know,
Speaker 2: lether than.
Speaker 6: Twelve years ago, but yeah, its whole Ted talk was
Speaker 6: how they're changing the model of their country. They're not
Speaker 6: using like GDP and these other metrics to measure the
Speaker 6: success of their country. The number one priority is the
Speaker 6: happiness index.
Speaker 2: Yes, it should be. And you know when you look
Speaker 2: at the happy countries. Of course, they have universal health care,
Speaker 2: they have a representative government that actually, if you are unhappy,
Speaker 2: you can remove them by certain votes, you can recall
Speaker 2: them or whatever they want to call it.
Speaker 6: In Norway, I hear they just like drive them out
Speaker 6: into the snow and make them eat rotten fish.
Speaker 2: Now that Yeah, there's a lot of people here that
Speaker 2: should be doing that.
Speaker 5: Sounds good.
Speaker 2: I like that idea, and we should.
Speaker 6: Don't you invade Greenland on foot in your underwear.
Speaker 2: Yes, from here, So you have to you have to
Speaker 2: go across the ocean without a boat.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Any polar bear can do it, Yeah, definitely. If polar
Speaker 2: bears can do it, I don't see why a human
Speaker 2: can't do it without a boat or a door.
Speaker 6: Especially if you've got that insular layer of like McDonald's blubber.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean, what probably about forty years of
Speaker 2: insular bubbler bubb bubbler, Oh my god, blubber from McDonald's
Speaker 2: is you know, pretty good? There a little extra coke
Speaker 2: so he can you know, he won't starve. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: was just taking about Patrick at star on spongebub yelling
Speaker 2: I'm going to starve and you see the bubbles of
Speaker 2: his stomach, and it just reminded me of that. But
Speaker 2: so it's saying though, just the fact that it pisses
Speaker 2: them off is ridiculous because the seeing people happy should
Speaker 2: be the goal of your you know, religion or whatever
Speaker 2: you believe.
Speaker 6: Unless you're a psychopath.
Speaker 2: Even they like happy people.
Speaker 6: Not to my experience, because I've I've cohabitated with psychopaths before.
Speaker 6: I've been you know, as friends close to as friends
Speaker 6: as you can with somebody that doesn't you know, reciprocate
Speaker 6: those emotions. But like people that have been you know
Speaker 6: clinically you know, like zero to no or little to
Speaker 6: no empathy and all of the whole you know spectrum.
Speaker 6: And when I've when I've asked them, you know, like
Speaker 6: when we've talked about, you know, what we want out
Speaker 6: of life, and you know, I'm like, I want to
Speaker 6: be happy, you know that, I want to create beautiful things,
Speaker 6: and I want to spread love and happiness and all
Speaker 6: that shit, and like what about you? They all say
Speaker 6: almost the exact same words verbatim, and it's chilling. They say, well,
Speaker 6: I want to watch it all burn and if I
Speaker 6: can help, that's even better. That would that's my main goal.
Speaker 2: So why don't they just burn themselves?
Speaker 6: Well, there's no fun in that. They don't experience like
Speaker 6: joy and happiness like they they but but the closest
Speaker 6: they get is is sort of like a satisfaction, a
Speaker 6: sadistic satisfaction from you know, ruining it for for everybody else,
Speaker 6: which I don't know, like like from a Taoist perspective,
Speaker 6: you know, like you you have one force that is
Speaker 6: you know, creation, creation creates, creation creates, and the other destroys,
Speaker 6: destruction destroys. You know, it's creation versus entropy, and you know,
Speaker 6: it's kind of a homeostatic thing.
Speaker 2: That all the more reason why they can all get
Speaker 2: together and light each other on fire, and then that
Speaker 2: way they can watch it burn.
Speaker 6: Just just just uh just uh do an effigy without
Speaker 6: the effigy part, right.
Speaker 2: They can do that, They can watch each other burn.
Speaker 2: That way, they can see the destruction that they've caused,
Speaker 2: and they leave the rest of us out of it.
Speaker 6: Well, you can you can see, you can see the
Speaker 6: patterns of hannibalism in any any sort of fascist movement,
Speaker 6: and which you know, like I I when I used
Speaker 6: to ask my dad who you know, he would used
Speaker 6: to watch Fox News all the time, and you know,
Speaker 6: he's I've been gradually deprogramming him. But I used to
Speaker 6: ask him like, Pops, don't you see like a bunch
Speaker 6: of transphobia on there? And he's like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think you're being too emotional and overreacting. I was like, oh, thanks, pops,
Speaker 6: you do see me as your daughter.
Speaker 2: That is a good line to say.
Speaker 6: But you would say that like, fascists don't win very long.
Speaker 6: Look at how quick we whooped Hitler's ass. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 6: it's not very useful. You're just kipping a big part
Speaker 6: of the story.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because he got into power like in twenty nine.
Speaker 2: He wasn't removed until the forties, so I mean he
Speaker 2: had twenty years of destruction to go through eleven whatever.
Speaker 2: One year is too long.
Speaker 6: I can tell which one of you used the math brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not me. I admit I am not that
Speaker 2: great at math anymore. But still even one year is
Speaker 2: too much for that ship. And you know what gets
Speaker 2: me the most is that he's doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: He's doing the whole playb Yeah, yeah, yeah, saying the
Speaker 2: exact same words, doing the exact same thing, and people
Speaker 2: are still like, what, everything's fine.
Speaker 6: Well they didn't they didn't have Netflix back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6: And social media, you know, you like the intentional zombification
Speaker 6: of the populace using you know, tried and true like
Speaker 6: neural programming techniques. They're like light flash patterns and frequency.
Speaker 6: You know, I went to score for game design originally,
Speaker 6: so we learned all these you know, uh, push these
Speaker 6: dopamine buttons in the brain if you want people to
Speaker 6: keep playing your stupid game. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that makes sense, but still, how do you
Speaker 2: not see it? I mean, even if you didn't listen
Speaker 2: in history class, how do you not see it coming?
Speaker 6: No child left behind? The systemic uh, defunding and dismantling
Speaker 6: of public education and funneling all of the students into
Speaker 6: privatized you know, uh, you know, all the rich kids
Speaker 6: get the education and everybody else they could barely you know,
Speaker 6: read a sentence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it just education is the one thing
Speaker 2: that equalizes everybody, allows everybody a chance at something.
Speaker 6: We can't have that. I'm not in America. What do you?
Speaker 5: I know?
Speaker 2: I know, how dare I think of education as such?
Speaker 7: But that quality, Yes, we want equity, and it's just
Speaker 7: it's it amazes me at how people don't.
Speaker 2: See these parallels, and then, you know, get mad at
Speaker 2: when you voice these parallels at you and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: Obama did this or Biden did that, and it's like,
Speaker 2: we're not talking about fucking Obama or Biden. They are
Speaker 2: past presidents. They can't do anything right now, and just
Speaker 2: because they didn't, yes they can, of course, but just
Speaker 2: because they did something during their terms, people still, you know,
Speaker 2: fussed about That doesn't mean that you can do the
Speaker 2: exact same thing and not get blamed for it.
Speaker 6: Well, I've you know, because since I'm you know, pretty public,
Speaker 6: and I you know, I don't I perform wherever they're
Speaker 6: gonna pay me to take tell jokes and sometimes get
Speaker 6: paid and uh so you know, I I occasionally uh
Speaker 6: get you know, certain types that want to approach me
Speaker 6: and and get into you know, what do you think
Speaker 6: about uh, what do you think about trains? Women and
Speaker 6: women's sports? You know, it's like, I don't know, dude,
Speaker 6: Like I've never thrown a soccer puck? Why are you
Speaker 6: asking me? But if you if you know, like, but
Speaker 6: I can talk politics and uh and I always I
Speaker 6: like to use the Socratic method and strip away the
Speaker 6: symbols and the people and the names and just go
Speaker 6: to bare bones policy and questions and leading questions and policy.
Speaker 6: And if you have a conversation that way, if you
Speaker 6: can do it without somebody yelling in your face, which
Speaker 6: that's usually my Okay, I'm leaving, but but if you
Speaker 6: but when you boil it down, like the vast majority
Speaker 6: of people regard wardless of who they voted for, want
Speaker 6: the same shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, life liberty in the pursuit of happiness bingo. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and if you've pledged allegiance your entire school career, which
Speaker 2: I did, and it said, you know, justice for all,
Speaker 2: not justice just for white men, not justice just for
Speaker 2: white women or just for the wealthy. It said for all.
Speaker 2: And we had to recite that damn thing. So you
Speaker 2: better fucking believe that I am going to, you know,
Speaker 2: want to grab my chance of life liberty and the
Speaker 2: pursuit of happiness and justice for all absolute and life
Speaker 2: liberty in the pursuit of happiness also means you have
Speaker 2: no damn right to shoot me just because I'm going
Speaker 2: to church or going grocery shopping or going you know,
Speaker 2: to pray or whatever.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was the original idea.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And if you're that honestly, if you're that
Speaker 2: miserable that you feel like you need to shoot up something,
Speaker 2: do the world a favor and just yourself. I don't
Speaker 2: condone suicide. I don't believe in suicide. But if you
Speaker 2: feel like you need to shoot some kids yourself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, at least shoot yourself in the foot first and
Speaker 6: see how much it hurts. And then when you're like,
Speaker 6: oh shit, that's what I was gonna do.
Speaker 2: Oh man, wow, and then check the barrel.
Speaker 6: The gathering podcast is not condoned, Vince.
Speaker 2: I don't. But still I just feel like, if you
Speaker 2: have this insane urge to go shoot up people who
Speaker 2: are innocent, who have nothing to do with what you
Speaker 2: are unhappy about, then you need to just look at
Speaker 2: the barrel and make sure everything's all nice and clean
Speaker 2: down in the barrel, or.
Speaker 6: Or put the fucking phone down, go outside, touch some grants.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yeah, there you go. That's the nicer way
Speaker 2: to put it.
Speaker 6: Go like, meet people in the real world and have
Speaker 6: a conversation and realize like, oh oh, all of this
Speaker 6: like nonsense noise coming out of the Black Rectangle doesn't
Speaker 6: track with you know, my lived experience at all.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, none of it does track. You know.
Speaker 2: They always talk about it, how they have these manifestos,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, what are you manifesting. You're not
Speaker 2: manifesting shit. All you're manifesting is you're a shit whose
Speaker 2: name should never be mentioned again. Once you have, you know,
Speaker 2: been sent on your way to jail or to the
Speaker 2: afterlife because you cut yourself after, you know, murdering innocent people.
Speaker 5: I think this episode is just gonna be one long bleep.
Speaker 5: We've really gotten down the rabbit hole here.
Speaker 2: So today we're talking to.
Speaker 6: Hey, it's your podcast. We can talk about whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Yes, But I just my whole thought process is just it.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because I'm neurodiversent, or maybe it's because
Speaker 2: I have a heart, but I just don't see how
Speaker 2: anybody being different has any bearing on whether or not
Speaker 2: you can be happy.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's because you're a decent human being. That's it.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of them in the world. There's three of.
Speaker 5: Them right here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know they always say look for the good people.
Speaker 2: I am good people, even though I may say if
Speaker 2: you're gonna kill people, just first.
Speaker 6: But and good people you can always spot them because
Speaker 6: they'll let you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I need that Nobel Peace price, kill us this all.
Speaker 6: You don't have to go to Venezuela.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the part of it is is
Speaker 6: sort of like a like a a like fomo to
Speaker 6: the nth degree of like like, well, I wish I
Speaker 6: could be myself, but I follow rules of society and
Speaker 6: I follow these self imposed constraints and rigid expectations, you know,
Speaker 6: because that's what I got to do to succeed and
Speaker 6: get through this life. And you know, if I, if
Speaker 6: I can't be myself, why the fuck do they get
Speaker 6: to be themselves? And so, yeah, there's a lot of jealousy.
Speaker 2: It is, it comes all the way back down to jealousy.
Speaker 2: Is they're angry that we have the nerve to be happy.
Speaker 2: They're angry that we have the nerve to show our
Speaker 2: faces and not be what they imagined us to be,
Speaker 2: as miserable or you know, being defeated as you know,
Speaker 2: whatever we decide to present ourselves as. And that I
Speaker 2: think that scares them a lot and we're, oh, go.
Speaker 6: Ahead, or or they're operating under the assumption that all
Speaker 6: autistic people are the results of the alien hybridization program.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was hatched. I was hatched. I will die
Speaker 2: on that hill. I was hatched.
Speaker 6: My brother's always called me the mailman's kid.
Speaker 2: I got that too, mailman milkman. You know. I was
Speaker 2: hatched from an egg from like Mars or something like that.
Speaker 6: My mom told me she just found me under a
Speaker 6: rock on the side of the free rank.
Speaker 2: I like that. I chose you because you were right
Speaker 2: there under that beautiful rock.
Speaker 6: I was just going to take the rock home, but.
Speaker 2: Then you started crying, and what the hell? I love this.
Speaker 2: This is a good conversation, as it should be. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so coming out, if you don't mind, how was that.
Speaker 6: Coming out? I already did well.
Speaker 2: When you publicly came out as yourself, how did that
Speaker 2: feel for you?
Speaker 6: Mm hm hmmm. I had built it up internally, like
Speaker 6: it was. It was way scarier than it needed to be,
Speaker 6: and it turned out to just be pretty procedural. And uh,
Speaker 6: you know, I had I had some questions to answer
Speaker 6: with with my immediate family and stuff, and but I
Speaker 6: didn't really get much pushback, even even from my conservative dad,
Speaker 6: you know, like he's you know, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was definitely a big relief.
Speaker 2: When did you know? Because I know that some people
Speaker 2: know it from the age of birth and some people
Speaker 2: just don't realize it until later. Did you always know
Speaker 2: or was it kind of like a gradual awakening?
Speaker 6: Well, it's hard to say because I didn't really have
Speaker 6: that you know, we didn't really have that language accessible
Speaker 6: back in like the eighties and nineties, you know, I
Speaker 6: mean it was I knew I was different. I actually
Speaker 6: ended up coming out two different times in two different
Speaker 6: ways because I came out first as well bisexual then
Speaker 6: and like what was it ninety eight and in the South,
Speaker 6: you know, so that was that was pretty scared. I
Speaker 6: ended up leaving the South shortly after that, so I
Speaker 6: went and get myrtilized. Yes, but I don't know, the
Speaker 6: first time I saw a trans person, I was like,
Speaker 6: oh shit, okay, that's it. That makes sense that uh
Speaker 6: instantly clicked. And unfortunately, like that was like you know,
Speaker 6: in a porno magazine, which you know, like back then,
Speaker 6: you just find in the woods when you're you know,
Speaker 6: a kid like.
Speaker 2: A quote unquote in the woods.
Speaker 6: No literally in the woods.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying for me, I found it in
Speaker 2: like friends' bedrooms and such.
Speaker 6: Oh right, yeah, like no, sometimes there would literally be
Speaker 6: magazines in the woods. You just stumbled by a hobo
Speaker 6: camp when you're out playing and it's like, hey, what
Speaker 6: is this? And but the craziest uh synchronicity, the first
Speaker 6: trans woman I saw in this you know, Nudi mag
Speaker 6: I ended up dating in Los Angeles like two decades,
Speaker 6: like wow, like, yeah, like fifteen sixteen years later.
Speaker 2: Damn, wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what are the odds?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, wow, that's like dating Marilyn and Roe,
Speaker 2: you know, after seeing her in Playboy. I mean that's awesome.
Speaker 2: But and I ask those things just because again, like
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard me say, I discovered myself this year.
Speaker 2: And you know, I discovered a lot more about myself
Speaker 2: because I masked for so long, because when you're you know, neurodivergent,
Speaker 2: you're usually ignored, especially if you're female. And it's not
Speaker 2: that my parents didn't know that something was off. They knew,
Speaker 2: but again because I was you know, I had good
Speaker 2: grades and I wasn't causing trouble. I wasn't bouncing off
Speaker 2: of things, so they just you know, ignore you. And
Speaker 2: as I was discovering that, I discovered that I am bisexual,
Speaker 2: even though like because I always brushed it off. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the ladies because I like their hair, right,
Speaker 2: or they have really good makeup on, and it's like.
Speaker 5: That's not the important part.
Speaker 2: No, it's not yet, And it really wasn't what.
Speaker 6: I was looking at looking down here, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's really that's a really nice hair.
Speaker 2: Too, exactly. Look at the highlights in her hair.
Speaker 5: How do you talk about she's bald?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was just it was one of those
Speaker 2: things where I just kind of pushed it to the
Speaker 2: side because again, growing up in the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 2: there weren't many words for those things, and if you
Speaker 2: were bisexual, it was kind of gross. And you know,
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be that because you know that
Speaker 2: you're either gay or you're straight. You can't possibly be both.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's just greedy, right, or you're you're confused.
Speaker 2: That type of narrative was always around. So it's just
Speaker 2: like discovering myself layer, I'd say it was made me happy.
Speaker 2: I am a much happier person now because I know
Speaker 2: more of who I am than I realized. And you know,
Speaker 2: having those words and being able to see some sort
Speaker 2: of representation made a difference, you know, from growing up
Speaker 2: being very very angry about a lot of things and
Speaker 2: then being able to be free of a lot of
Speaker 2: that anger is amazing. And so like, I wonder if
Speaker 2: you had similar emotions or if you you know, always understood,
Speaker 2: because again, you know, I have that alien feeling of
Speaker 2: how come I didn't see this. How how come I
Speaker 2: didn't know this about myself?
Speaker 6: Well? Because you were gasolt out of it? Yeah, Like ultimately,
Speaker 6: you know, like it's it's funny how like the uh
Speaker 6: the Venn diagram between you know, like queer people and
Speaker 6: autistic people, it's just a circle, yep, because because like
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, like you know, you
Speaker 6: look around, it's like, why is everybody making such a
Speaker 6: fuss out of it? It's just meat. You know, either
Speaker 6: you like that kind of meat or you don't like it.
Speaker 6: Gives a shit.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And I kind of I've always had that thought
Speaker 2: process of who cares? You know, as long as you're
Speaker 2: not trying to force me into that situation, then it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you do. And you know, like the
Speaker 2: saying goes about a penis, we know you have one,
Speaker 2: and you can be proud of it. You can be
Speaker 2: proud of having one, but you don't need to show
Speaker 2: everybody and shove it. You know, you don't need to
Speaker 2: shove it down people's.
Speaker 6: Throats unless you're on a certain island.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, with a person with the last name
Speaker 2: that starts with a T. But but when you'll ask
Speaker 2: me like, well, that's too too obscure of a puzzle.
Speaker 2: What person starts with the last name of ta Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: he wasn't there, I don't think. But even if he was,
Speaker 2: lock him up. That's the thing that just.
Speaker 6: Drives me from one closet to another.
Speaker 2: Right, and it just they're children, ew, why the fuck
Speaker 2: do you want children? You disgusting pieces of grossness ship
Speaker 2: that are so gross that even shit's like you, I mean,
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like like, have you ever met somebody and
Speaker 6: just want to punch them in the face? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 6: me too. That's why I don't have any kids.
Speaker 2: Oh I've tried not to do that with I'm just kidding,
Speaker 2: but I mean there have been I do admit there
Speaker 2: have been times when I would love to slap the
Speaker 2: ship out of my kids. I don't because that's abuse,
Speaker 2: but I we all have those thoughts.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I used to teach music. I had a
Speaker 6: lot of special needs students and they were great. It
Speaker 6: was the it was the spoiled, rich brats that I
Speaker 6: wanted to.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I didn't want to teach like elementary school,
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to have to do with other kids.
Speaker 2: And you know the insaneness that you were driven to
Speaker 2: when you have to sit down, sit down, I said,
Speaker 2: sit down, and you just want to kind of rip
Speaker 2: your hair out. And I commend all of those people
Speaker 2: that are able to teach children because they can be
Speaker 2: the biggest little shits ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, although I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: College kids are much better because they know what they're
Speaker 1: doing and they can talk back better.
Speaker 2: Actually, they're more respectful. They're easier to control, not control.
Speaker 2: It's not like, welcome to my class. Now look into this,
Speaker 2: and you know I'm not like hypnotizing them or something
Speaker 2: and I'll snap my fingers and you'll be awake.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, that's how you have to do it as
Speaker 6: mass hypnosis.
Speaker 2: Yes, and no, we're not condoning massive hypnosis.
Speaker 6: Well I am. That's essentially what I do. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's consensual, but I mean, you know, I'm just you know,
Speaker 6: I'm getting a group of people to imagine, like what's
Speaker 6: in my head, you know, like this, I'm setting up
Speaker 6: a scene and then I'm crashing a bus into it
Speaker 6: for your laughs and enjoyment.
Speaker 1: So I've never talked to an actual stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: and I got questions.
Speaker 2: So, how do you stand up.
Speaker 1: When you're writing your stuff, your jokes and stuff. How
Speaker 1: do you know This is a really stupid question, actually,
Speaker 1: but how do you know it's any good? How do
Speaker 1: you know it's any good? And then like how long
Speaker 1: does it take you to come up with everything? How
Speaker 1: does that process kind of go?
Speaker 6: Well? Uh, at first, you don't really know. That's what.
Speaker 6: You write a bunch of ideas down. Typically, if it
Speaker 6: makes you laugh really hard, then you've got something. And
Speaker 6: you go to an open mic and you know, boo,
Speaker 6: crickets get off the state, you know, like uh and uh,
Speaker 6: and the stuff that makes made you laugh if it doesn't,
Speaker 6: if it doesn't get a laugh in a crowd, then
Speaker 6: you go back, you know, and record every set is ideal,
Speaker 6: but uh, and you go back like, Okay, maybe I
Speaker 6: wasn't communicating the idea effectively. And you move some words around,
Speaker 6: cut a bunch of words out of it, and you're
Speaker 6: trying to be as clear and precise as possible to
Speaker 6: get your idea from your brain into their brains. Sometimes
Speaker 6: you you're just throwing a bunch of shit at the wall.
Speaker 6: See what sticks. But I don't know. I usually have
Speaker 6: a pretty good idea of when I'm writing, what's what's
Speaker 6: gonna work? At least at first, because I mean, it's
Speaker 6: it's just like writing a song. You know, there's there's
Speaker 6: music theory, right, and you've got four and the charts,
Speaker 6: the modes and all that stuff. Comedy is the same way.
Speaker 6: It's as it's not as a cohesive, formalized formula like
Speaker 6: as music theory is, because it's you know, a way
Speaker 6: younger art form.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's how do you not die from
Speaker 2: laughter at your jokes though? When you told them? Because
Speaker 2: when you watch comedians and they deliver their jokes, you
Speaker 2: know it's funny because you wrote it, But how do
Speaker 2: you not end up dying of laughter when you've told
Speaker 2: the joke along with your audience?
Speaker 6: Well, sometimes the first time is a little tricky, but
Speaker 6: I mean again, acting like, the better you sell it
Speaker 6: as you know, you're being dead serious, right, the better
Speaker 6: you can you know, sell that bigger the surprise, the
Speaker 6: bigger the pop. And but there's yeah, there's definitely been
Speaker 6: times where I've struggled through gig. I've gotten the giggles,
Speaker 6: you know, at an open mic, train out new stuff.
Speaker 6: But you know, usually when you see a stand up
Speaker 6: they've told those same jokes like hundreds of times, right,
Speaker 6: So yeah, like and if it's a if it's a
Speaker 6: really good joke, I mean I still laugh sometimes on stage,
Speaker 6: you know if or you know, the audience surprises you,
Speaker 6: and that's that's a good thing. You want to lean
Speaker 6: into it, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because there's always that one person that has
Speaker 2: the most crazy laugh that just that like overrides everyone
Speaker 2: else's voice in the entire area and just has this
Speaker 2: strange laughter and then it just that that's what makes
Speaker 2: me even laugh harder, is when I hear those people
Speaker 2: after watching you know, stand up comedians going and I
Speaker 2: admire you because I feel like being able to find
Speaker 2: what people what brings everybody together, and then being able
Speaker 2: to not only observe it, but have this quick wit
Speaker 2: about yourself to be able to turn it into something funny.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, it is amazing.
Speaker 6: Well, if if I hadn't done that, I probably would
Speaker 6: have eaten a bullet a long time ago.
Speaker 2: So well, I'm glad that you found that.
Speaker 1: Have you dealt with the opposite the assholes in the
Speaker 1: crowd that aren't cooperating or that you have to kind of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, hecklers, honestly, like there they're the reason
Speaker 6: it took me so long to get started in the
Speaker 6: first place, was that fear that there's gonna every time
Speaker 6: I perform, there's going to be somebody trying to, you know,
Speaker 6: combat me with it. And it's like they're fairly rare.
Speaker 6: Like I'd say, like like nine times out of ten,
Speaker 6: there's not some asshole in the audience that just hates
Speaker 6: you wants everybody to know about it.
Speaker 5: That's good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the most common hecklers are just drunk people that
Speaker 6: either think they're helping the show and want to participate,
Speaker 6: or they're ignoring you and having a loud conversation right
Speaker 6: in front of you while you're talking. And those people
Speaker 6: are easy to deal with usually. Well yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 6: non combative hecklers. But yeah, it's it's good to have
Speaker 6: a couple of burns in your in your back pocket. Well,
Speaker 6: you know, I gave up pockets with with all the
Speaker 6: other male privilege, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, can we please talk about fucking pockets? What
Speaker 2: the hell?
Speaker 6: And while we're at it, let's explain what magnets are.
Speaker 2: Damn it. Yes, I mean, what the hell is all
Speaker 2: of this ship? Why do females afabs? Why do we
Speaker 2: lose pockets? I know why?
Speaker 6: But why to keep us dependent on men?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Actually I prefer having a purse because I can carry
Speaker 6: more more shit around.
Speaker 2: It is nice because you know, you need an umbrella,
Speaker 2: you need tissoes, you need your makeup if you can
Speaker 2: wear it. I'm allergic to all makeup, so that's kind
Speaker 2: of done. Found that out the hard way. Ended up
Speaker 2: like lovely red lines down my face because I had
Speaker 2: to scratch it off and it was fun. And then
Speaker 2: what else do you put in a purse?
Speaker 6: Of course, a wallet, taser, crystal and brick.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely, cement.
Speaker 6: Breath mints, lubricant, tire iron.
Speaker 2: Now that that is a good idea. One of those
Speaker 2: tire irons that you push a button and it shoots
Speaker 2: out even further.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there's a little Yeah those look really cool. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that was one of my hobbies as a kid.
Speaker 6: It was metroid and bostaff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, there you go.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, using the tire iron. I
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say that was what you did
Speaker 1: as a kid, using the tire ironing.
Speaker 6: Able to change a tire I can't either.
Speaker 2: I don't feel so alone.
Speaker 6: And you never had the upper body strength.
Speaker 2: I never had to. All of my friends either did
Speaker 2: it for me or Mike does it for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I remember one time getting a flat in the
Speaker 6: middle of bumber bumblefuck, South Carolina at night and and
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh shit. Uh. And this was in my
Speaker 6: early twenties, so this is like way pre transition, and
Speaker 6: you know, like outwardly goth and weird, and like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm in trouble. Uh oh wait, no, this was this
Speaker 6: is this was before cell phone, so like yeah, that
Speaker 6: was and yeah, and uh, I'm just I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: I think I remember how to do this, and I
Speaker 6: start getting the jack but I'm like, oh, as soon
Speaker 6: as I jack it up, it starts crunching up the stuff.
Speaker 6: I don't have it on the right place, and it's
Speaker 6: just a total mess. And all of a sudden, this
Speaker 6: big pickup truck pulls up and I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 6: here we go. And some old like hillbilly dudes come
Speaker 6: out and they're like, well, it looks like you got
Speaker 6: yourself the flat and I'm like yeah, yeah. They're like,
Speaker 6: let's let me help you out, and They just fucking
Speaker 6: helped me change my They just changed the tire for
Speaker 6: me and wished me luck and sent me out my way.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, that's good. I thought I was
Speaker 6: about to get hate crined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm glad that they were hopeful. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: was with a friend of mine and Jill. We were
Speaker 2: in college. We had cell phone at that time, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't widespread, so you had those pockets of where
Speaker 2: there's like no hope of reaching anybody. And we had
Speaker 2: a flat tire. I think, yeah, exactly, we had a
Speaker 2: flat tire, and we pulled over and the only light
Speaker 2: was in front of a fire station. Everything else was
Speaker 2: pitch black. So you felt like, at least in my mind,
Speaker 2: that I was in the beginning of a Stephen King
Speaker 2: novel and I'm expecting like the worst things to come
Speaker 2: out of the shadows to get me. While my friend
Speaker 2: is doing changing the tire, and I'm like looking around
Speaker 2: every which way but I could possibly do to make
Speaker 2: sure she's okay, and she's thinking, I'm like this nut
Speaker 2: job that she picked up off of, you know, a boulevard,
Speaker 2: because she's laughing at me, thinking I'm nuts because I
Speaker 2: was telling her. You know, Stephen King, things are going
Speaker 2: to come out of the woods here.
Speaker 6: Everybody knows clown Cliff in the woods.
Speaker 2: Yes, and there's a great he can always come out
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 6: We all float down here.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that story. Mm hmmm, one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: So who is your favorite comedian or one of your
Speaker 2: favorite comedians?
Speaker 6: Oh, that's that's up there with like favorite movie or
Speaker 6: favorite musician or favorite blade of grass in the yard.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna sing George Carlin's one because you said
Speaker 1: that's kind of what got you into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, definitely him. I always liked Rodney Dangerfields came
Speaker 6: at Phillips is an all time like favorite, one of
Speaker 6: my favorite joke writers like Steven Wright and Mitch Hedberg
Speaker 6: and like, I'm a huge paton Oswalt fan. Dave tel
Speaker 6: Is one of the goats, one of my favorite like
Speaker 6: breaking out comics who's like getting bigger and bigger. I
Speaker 6: got the privilege to open up for Sam to Allent
Speaker 6: last year, which was awesome. I opened up for Ian Finance.
Speaker 6: He's fucking hilarious. I got the host for Robin Tran,
Speaker 6: who's a hilarious trance autistic comedian, out of la She's great,
Speaker 6: and yeah, like there's there's too many. I could just
Speaker 6: sit here and rattle off names.
Speaker 2: No, and it was like thinking, as you were rattling
Speaker 2: them off, I'm like, oh my god, I know these people.
Speaker 2: I know of these people, and that's like really cool.
Speaker 2: And like I grew up watching Carlin and Goldberg and
Speaker 2: of course Saturday Night Live, Eddie Murphy and things like that,
Speaker 2: and I always enjoyed. I don't think we were supposed
Speaker 2: to watch them, because I mean I was probably like five,
Speaker 2: but I watched a lot of things I probably shouldn't have.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're probably gonna get booed. But I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen Carlin stand up.
Speaker 2: He's good.
Speaker 6: I've heard I've ever seen it. He's really Actually his
Speaker 6: his later works are, you know, from like the nineties
Speaker 6: into the oughts, way more prescient and relevant today, like
Speaker 6: increasingly so, like he just had his like finger on
Speaker 6: the pulse of the mechanations of our despair.
Speaker 2: He saw it, he saw the writing on the wall
Speaker 2: longer as soon as we you know, voted in Reagan,
Speaker 2: he saw it coming.
Speaker 6: And oh yeah he was I was. I was born
Speaker 6: that year.
Speaker 2: I was born in Carter So in seventy eight.
Speaker 6: Discuss in eighty one, I heard that Pride Month was
Speaker 6: celebrated in January because that's how skinheads celebrated the Reagan inauguration.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, I remember that, not from first hand knowledge.
Speaker 2: I was only like three, but I remember hearing about that.
Speaker 1: I wasn't born yet in January of eighty one.
Speaker 2: Nope, you were.
Speaker 1: I was alive, just still inside my mama or inside
Speaker 1: the Pelican or whatever it is that delivered me the Pelicans.
Speaker 6: I was born on the summer solstice in the Bermuda
Speaker 6: Triangle during a lightning storm.
Speaker 5: I saw that on your bio on Throgs.
Speaker 2: I love that too.
Speaker 6: It's true, and it's also how I avoid telling people
Speaker 6: I'm from Florida.
Speaker 2: I was born during a winter storm like Chicago was
Speaker 2: pretty much shutting down at how bad. That's how bad
Speaker 2: the winter storm was when I was born. And I
Speaker 2: always kind of figure that that's why I'm so outspoken
Speaker 2: about certain things, because I was born during a mega
Speaker 2: winter storm that shook down Chicago basically, so I have
Speaker 2: to be that force. As weird as it is.
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, we are running out of time.
Speaker 6: Dun dun dum.
Speaker 1: I always have to be the bearer of bad news.
Speaker 1: But before we go, do you want to let people
Speaker 1: know how they can find you, or how they can
Speaker 1: hear your comedy or anything else that you want to
Speaker 1: put out there to the world.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm on the socials, you know, like uh yeah, Instagram, Facebook, Yes,
Speaker 6: people still use its. YouTube. I've got a bunch of
Speaker 6: you know, my podcast is on there and and some
Speaker 6: of my like I just released a thirty minute taping
Speaker 6: accidentally special. It's just a cell phone at a bar,
Speaker 6: but it was a good half hour of you know,
Speaker 6: good material. And yeah, so Steph steak my uh like
Speaker 6: the social stigma and yeah like quick google, uh Google
Speaker 6: now duck duck. Yeah, I remember that you can summon
Speaker 6: me with an acronomicon. My social security number is.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: No, it was our pleasure. It was an awesome conversation.
Speaker 2: And I love to talk to you some more because
Speaker 2: I would love to pick your brain. Well not literally,
Speaker 2: of course, because that would be too juicy, and get
Speaker 2: it up and.
Speaker 6: Look it up and a moth flies out there there,
Speaker 6: all right.
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