WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:04.960 PEP Radio is a part of the Pennsylvania Equality Project 2 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:08.919 that plays music, news and weather, actively advocating for the 3 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:12.880 LGBTQ plus and disabled. Since twenty twenty. 4 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.679 Four, PEP Radio available on Live three sixty five, Roku, 5 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:23.199 Alexo and ATPA Quality dot Com. 6 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:27.199 Here at gay SA Radio, we're very happy to welcome 7 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:32.320 the Otherring Podcast to our airwaves. 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She is a neurospicy 21 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:34.159 rainbow lady who found her calling when she stepped out 22 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.439 of the closet and onto the stage to transmute trauma 23 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.799 into laughter. Nice, short, sweet, and to the point. 24 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:45.719 Welcome Stuff yes, I wonder who what wrote that intro it? 25 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.079 I love it. It's nice and to the point, and 26 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:55.000 you know, it gives a good kind of introduction to 27 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.000 who you are immediately. 28 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.480 Right right, Yeah, emphasis on the train without the mute part. 29 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:03.799 Definitely not muted. 30 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.640 But you do stand up comedy, don't you. 31 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.400 Uh yeah, that's that's that's the main gig these days, 32 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:15.520 kind of pivoted from musician after you know, doing that 33 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:16.800 for a couple of decades. 34 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.439 So how did you get into stand up? 35 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:20.840 I mean, that's what I was gonna ask. 36 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:25.319 That is like really cool to do and it's amazingly 37 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:31.120 hard work and wow. So what started that? 38 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:37.719 Well, you know, growing up like autistic, before people were 39 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.000 talking about it, you know, I was just you know, 40 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.919 shut in or I was just super shy, an old soul, 41 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.639 didn't talk much. Yeh cried when the Dominoes guy rang 42 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.560 the doorbell, you know that kind of But I remember 43 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:57.120 seeing our family had just gotten cable and HBO just 44 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:01.360 started being a thing. And I'm dating myself now, age wise, 45 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.759 not sexually. And I remember I was about eight years 46 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:08.400 old and I saw George Carlin for the first time, 47 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:13.759 and I was just amazed that not only was he hilarious, 48 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.879 but that you could do that just like that's the 49 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.120 thing that people do is get up on stage and 50 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.199 rant and rave and you know, and to laughter and 51 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.759 applause and. 52 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:26.879 And make money doing it. 53 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:31.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And it only took me about 54 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:35.039 like thirty years after that to finally get it, get 55 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:40.199 enough confidence and stage presence to you know, jump out 56 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:40.680 of the plane. 57 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:43.840 So what was it? What did it take to get 58 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.759 that confidence in stage presence, because I'll say for me, 59 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.599 I could never do that. Getting in front of live 60 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.719 people terrifies me. In front of a camera with one 61 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.639 person like this, and then later listening that doesn't bother me. 62 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:58.039 But on a stage, I'd be shaking. 63 00:03:57.759 --> 00:03:58.280 Like a leaf. 64 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.479 Oh right, well I've been I've been getting on stage 65 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.840 playing music for like thirty years, but I always had 66 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.680 like an instrument, and I was you know, with other people, 67 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:16.439 and but finally getting up and telling jokes, well, I 68 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:20.319 think my trauma cup overflow with it was just like 69 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:23.800 just like enough shit piled up that I was just 70 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.319 sitting in the back patio one day and I just 71 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:32.560 started laughing because it just everything just seemed so absurd 72 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:36.480 to me all at once. Like like, oh, there's all 73 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.199 these people just walking around going about their day to 74 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.079 day lives, you know, thinking like, oh, I got it 75 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.519 all figured out, you know, I got a house and 76 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.519 a job in a car and then but at the 77 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.040 same time, nobody knows what the fuck is going on, 78 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:54.399 Like we're all in this grand mystery together, nobody, we're 79 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.800 all flying by the seat of our pants and just 80 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:01.680 pretending to have some sort of you know, mask of sanity, 81 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:03.720 you know when we leave the house and. 82 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.560 Yeah, the keywords some of us, right, Yeah, I'm pretty 83 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.680 sure I've seen some leave the house without their you know, 84 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:13.839 masks of sanity. 85 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:14.879 Oh. 86 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.480 I stopped wearing a mask on principles ago. 87 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:22.600 Me too, Like I remember being a little girl and 88 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:27.360 my mom would always say it, how going to the mailbox, 89 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.079 my grandmother would put on makeup and do her hair, 90 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.279 and she would and my mom would always bring that 91 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:37.120 up because I would happily go to the mailbox with 92 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:40.639 my hair sticking up in all directions, no makeup, and 93 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.399 in my pajamas because it's just like I don't care, 94 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:48.160 I am, it's comfy. I'm just doing a chore. You know. 95 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.600 Why do I need to look like I'm ready for 96 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:52.319 my close up. 97 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.800 Well, I can see it from both sides, honestly, because 98 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.879 I used to be nonchalt about it until you know, 99 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:07.600 my personal safety became an issue, like like not outing 100 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:11.360 myself to the conservative neighborhood. You know. It's kind of like. 101 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.480 Yeah and yeah, and I like that you brought that 102 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:20.199 up because that shouldn't have to happen, because once again 103 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:26.399 you in general, being trans does not change my gender anyway, 104 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:27.560 shape or form. 105 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.120 It shouldn't. I mean, if it does, maybe consult a doctor. 106 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.360 Yes, yes, definitely. If something's going on where because somebody 107 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.800 is trans and my gender is changed, I need to 108 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.399 stop seeing the doctor I was seeing or get a 109 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.839 doctor because it has nothing to do with me, just. 110 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:48.839 Like you can't your porn hub subscription. 111 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:56.360 Well I don't know about that. The porn we can keep, 112 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.399 but okay, the rest I can deal with. 113 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.839 That was the direct at more of the uh you know, 114 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:03.319 oh yeah, convention. 115 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.519 I love it. How that? What is it like tender 116 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:12.160 that they always end up killing grinder? Grinder? Yes, I 117 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.920 don't understand that, you know, just come out of the closet. 118 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.439 Oh well, I mean I live in you know, like 119 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:25.079 a little blue dot in a red state, and uh yeah, no, 120 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.560 I get I get hit on by plenty of uh conservatives, 121 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.800 like like straight guys. Uh you know, had a real 122 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:35.720 flexible guys and uh. 123 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:46.199 Yeah. And it's ridiculous though, because if you like what 124 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.240 you like, then it doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter. You 125 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.720 should be able to be free to do that. And 126 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.560 if you can choose to be straight when you know 127 00:07:55.639 --> 00:08:00.319 you're not, you shouldn't then push that on somebody else. 128 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.800 You shouldn't. You know, that's your choice. Fine, whatever you 129 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:07.120 want to pretend like you're straight, be my guest. But 130 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.519 if just because you do that, you have no right 131 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.519 to then force other people into the box that you 132 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:15.000 forced yourself. 133 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.519 Well, I think I think the problem is when you 134 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:21.480 attach a lot of like religious shame and guilt onto 135 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.480 all of that, and you've got like this generational system 136 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.000 of you know, like man or men and they're not 137 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.560 allowed to show emotions or cry or anything or else 138 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.559 that makes them a sissy and get them. 139 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.360 Yeah, exactly, because you know, you can't throw like a girl, 140 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:43.120 you can't show emotions because that's a girl. You can't 141 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.879 run like a girl. It's always about you can't do 142 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.279 it like a girl. So then there, as a boy, 143 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:54.039 you're immediately taught everything that is a girl is terrible 144 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.000 and wrong. So now you've got to hate girls. 145 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:00.919 And yeah, yeah, that's you've gotta you gotta eat this 146 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:02.759 red pil now, right. 147 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:08.360 And it's ridiculous and stupid because girls are just as 148 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:12.519 powerful and just as wonderful as boys and non binaries 149 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:18.360 and chance. Yeah, you know, all of us in general 150 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:20.000 are just as good, if not better. 151 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:25.000 Yeah, and yeah, that's a tricky thing to having. Yeah, 152 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:29.159 growing up with with the the on the other side 153 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:34.720 of the patriarchy, you know, like like every single move 154 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:38.519 I made, every single word I said, like went through 155 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:42.120 this filter that I was constantly conscious about, like is 156 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.399 that too feminine? Is that too feminine? Is that gay? 157 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.960 Is that gay? Is that too feminine? Just NonStop on 158 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:51.879 these eggshells, And I mean, I think it probably made 159 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:57.679 me a better actor over the years. But but through transition, 160 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:01.519 it's it was, it's been this whole like unlearning process, 161 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.279 like like, uh, just stop thinking about that shit and 162 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.799 act naturally and then oh wait, this is easy. This 163 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.759 is way easier to be you know, mm hmm. 164 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:18.639 And it's also like an unlearning for I think everybody 165 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:24.320 that's disabled or LGBTQ plus because again, you know, from birth, 166 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:27.519 you're taught that girls are yucky and everything about a 167 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:32.159 girl is effeminate, and if you're effeminate, then that's gross. 168 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:36.360 Even as a female, you're also taught you're not supposed 169 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.559 to be girly, because girly girl is, you know, the 170 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.279 wrong thing to be. You have to be the tomboy 171 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:44.559 if you want to be able to do anything other 172 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:49.000 than you know, sitting pretty frilly dresses. And it's a 173 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:55.279 lot of a learning curve to deconstruct those rigid boxes 174 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.559 of how you're supposed to be as a boy or 175 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.639 how you're supposed to be as a girl, and then 176 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.440 be able to break that mold and be yourself is 177 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:12.200 awesome because it's freeing and yeah, yeah, and it's relaxing. 178 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.159 And you know, like I went through being teased because 179 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.519 I didn't wear makeup and I didn't you know, have 180 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.840 the eighties hair where you have that huge like peacock 181 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.480 feather going around with the bank. 182 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.960 I grew up. I grew up worried about the ozone layer. 183 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:33.559 I remember, yep, And I didn't do that because that 184 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:38.440 wasn't me. It didn't feel right, and I also didn't 185 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:39.720 want to have to deal with the fact that my 186 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.440 hair would be tangled if I teased it to do that. 187 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.200 So I was just thinking in terms of I have 188 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.679 to brush it out. I'm not doing that bullshit. 189 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:55.000 Well yeah, what always made it even more stressful. I 190 00:11:55.039 --> 00:12:01.679 think being neurodivergent is uh all of these rules and 191 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:06.919 guideline just seemed so arbitrary. Yeah, like like, what what 192 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.679 does this serve? Who is this for? Like why is 193 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.600 this the way it is like instead of just you know, 194 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.000 just be you know. 195 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:19.320 Yeah, And part of well, little history, part of it 196 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:24.960 is because when colonialism happened to everybody, in order to 197 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:31.320 get everybody in on you know, religion and such, you 198 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.799 had to be put in those boxes because religion kind 199 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:39.080 of forces those boxes to be there, and you have 200 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.679 to fit those boxes. If you don't fit those boxes, 201 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.559 then you're going to be labeled an outsider. And in 202 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:51.200 those colonial times, outsider meant you were either enslaved or murdered. 203 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.840 Or you know, like Cherokee boarding houses. Like my ancestors 204 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:59.840 avoided the trailer tears by you know, assimilating and marrying 205 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.039 white people. And so that's how that you know, yeah. 206 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:08.759 My ancestry too, and you had to do those. 207 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:12.639 Like plag you know, or you know different Some tribes 208 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.279 had five genders, you know, yes, all. 209 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:19.799 Actually, when you delve into that, a lot of the 210 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:26.759 ancient cultures, Celtic, indigenous, everything, of all the continents, they 211 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.600 all had multiple genders. It wasn't just male and female. 212 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.360 There was ones that were in between that were fluid, 213 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.559 and that you know, indicated that people were wise and 214 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:43.000 they were revered for their fluidity because it was assumed 215 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.480 that they had reached a higher plane of existence and 216 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.840 understanding of the human body. And then when colonialism came, 217 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.840 you can't have people with power, you have to then 218 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.639 degrade them and shove them into those boxes in order 219 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:02.879 to have power over them. So thanks to you know, 220 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.840 that manifest destiny and I'm trying to be nice here, 221 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.200 you know, the pope and various other things. Back then, 222 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.720 it was you assimilate or die. 223 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:21.080 Well it's uh a tennis Well yeah, uh fuck all 224 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:25.159 that noise exactly. First of all, first of all, nature 225 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:30.639 abhors a binary. It doesn't operate in that way anywhere anywhere. 226 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.120 But then this whole uh, this whole one, like religious 227 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:41.600 cultural paradigm. You know, uh, mankind decided that they're going 228 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:45.320 to take the reins and and have dominion over the 229 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.759 earth and all its creatures and all of that. And uh, 230 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.960 to to exert that control is is you know you've 231 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.240 got a one or a zero and that's it. And 232 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.159 you know it's it's just more convenient levers that way 233 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.159 or I'm sorry, I should probably do it like that 234 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:05.840 way to be patriotic. Yes, I don't dance that way. 235 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:06.919 That's just how I have SENX. 236 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.360 That's how he wishes he had it. 237 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.279 I mean, it's funny because you don't use video for 238 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:20.759 the podcast. But uh, when I think your listeners will 239 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:22.080 know who we were talking. 240 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:27.480 About, definitely not. You know they should because I've voiced 241 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:30.960 my opinion about him multiple times. I should say it 242 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.320 because I don't think he deserves anything of respect. 243 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:42.039 I have a question, yes, if you don't mind, I 244 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.080 got I got yelled at for cutting cutting you off before. 245 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:50.840 So you had mentioned that you transitioned a little later 246 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:55.120 in life. What at what point was that? And I 247 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.799 guess why did it? What made you comfortable enough to 248 00:15:58.840 --> 00:15:59.720 do it at that time? 249 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:06.080 Probably head injuries? I mean, well, yeah, I mean it 250 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.519 kind of coincided around the same time that I started 251 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:12.000 stand up. So like my comedy and my transition is 252 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.879 my transition has been like very public because it's been 253 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:22.879 you know, on stage essentially, and uh uh yeah, it 254 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.840 was just I just kind of had a break just 255 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:31.799 uh just to be candid, h a psychotic breakdown, just 256 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:38.440 a you know, complete yeah, to blam out and uh 257 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.000 and and uh standing there in the in the in 258 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:46.759 the smoldering wreckage that was my life, realizing, oh, I 259 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.480 have nothing left to lose. I am just letting it 260 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:51.279 all out now. 261 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.840 Yeah, And I'm glad because the more people are able 262 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.399 to be themselves, the more other people can see that 263 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.079 these boxes that were pushed in doesn't have to be 264 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:10.640 And I honestly, for me personally, I think you guys 265 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.799 are more evolved than you know, a lot of us 266 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:18.319 because you understand both sides. You understand well quote unquote 267 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.039 both sides, because there's more than one, just the two sides. 268 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:27.759 But I think and your your beauty shines through way 269 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:31.839 more because you're happy. Your eyes, you know, twinkle when 270 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.839 you go through these transitions to become who you are 271 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:40.599 and seeing so much I know exactly, but you. You 272 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:46.880 exude so much happiness, and I think it's gorgeous because 273 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.640 being happy should be the goal. It shouldn't be about, 274 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.440 you know, trying to keep us unhappy, because what's the 275 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:55.960 point of that. 276 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.480 Well, it's like, have you heard of did you ever 277 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.200 see that Ted talk with the Prime Minister of Bhutan. 278 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:05.079 It's like an old Ted talk. 279 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:06.480 At Yeah, it is an old one item I know, 280 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:07.119 lether than. 281 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.720 Twelve years ago, but yeah, its whole Ted talk was 282 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.480 how they're changing the model of their country. They're not 283 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.279 using like GDP and these other metrics to measure the 284 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:21.400 success of their country. The number one priority is the 285 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:22.519 happiness index. 286 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:27.119 Yes, it should be. And you know when you look 287 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:31.440 at the happy countries. Of course, they have universal health care, 288 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:37.720 they have a representative government that actually, if you are unhappy, 289 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:43.119 you can remove them by certain votes, you can recall 290 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:44.559 them or whatever they want to call it. 291 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.680 In Norway, I hear they just like drive them out 292 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.759 into the snow and make them eat rotten fish. 293 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.000 Now that Yeah, there's a lot of people here that 294 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:53.799 should be doing that. 295 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:55.720 Sounds good. 296 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:58.000 I like that idea, and we should. 297 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.680 Don't you invade Greenland on foot in your underwear. 298 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:05.720 Yes, from here, So you have to you have to 299 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.160 go across the ocean without a boat. 300 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:09.319 Mm hmm. 301 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.559 Any polar bear can do it, Yeah, definitely. If polar 302 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:15.079 bears can do it, I don't see why a human 303 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.200 can't do it without a boat or a door. 304 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.319 Especially if you've got that insular layer of like McDonald's blubber. 305 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.480 Yeah, definitely. I mean, what probably about forty years of 306 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.839 insular bubbler bubb bubbler, Oh my god, blubber from McDonald's 307 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.400 is you know, pretty good? There a little extra coke 308 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:38.599 so he can you know, he won't starve. Sorry, I 309 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.359 was just taking about Patrick at star on spongebub yelling 310 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.640 I'm going to starve and you see the bubbles of 311 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:51.440 his stomach, and it just reminded me of that. But 312 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.920 so it's saying though, just the fact that it pisses 313 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:59.799 them off is ridiculous because the seeing people happy should 314 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:03.839 be the goal of your you know, religion or whatever 315 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:04.440 you believe. 316 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.160 Unless you're a psychopath. 317 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:09.599 Even they like happy people. 318 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.880 Not to my experience, because I've I've cohabitated with psychopaths before. 319 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:20.039 I've been you know, as friends close to as friends 320 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:22.640 as you can with somebody that doesn't you know, reciprocate 321 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.000 those emotions. But like people that have been you know 322 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:29.000 clinically you know, like zero to no or little to 323 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.480 no empathy and all of the whole you know spectrum. 324 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.240 And when I've when I've asked them, you know, like 325 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.400 when we've talked about, you know, what we want out 326 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:40.319 of life, and you know, I'm like, I want to 327 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:43.160 be happy, you know that, I want to create beautiful things, 328 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.480 and I want to spread love and happiness and all 329 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:50.480 that shit, and like what about you? They all say 330 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:55.440 almost the exact same words verbatim, and it's chilling. They say, well, 331 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.960 I want to watch it all burn and if I 332 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:01.279 can help, that's even better. That would that's my main goal. 333 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:03.920 So why don't they just burn themselves? 334 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.880 Well, there's no fun in that. They don't experience like 335 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:11.279 joy and happiness like they they but but the closest 336 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:13.960 they get is is sort of like a satisfaction, a 337 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.960 sadistic satisfaction from you know, ruining it for for everybody else, 338 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.319 which I don't know, like like from a Taoist perspective, 339 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.720 you know, like you you have one force that is 340 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:29.200 you know, creation, creation creates, creation creates, and the other destroys, 341 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.319 destruction destroys. You know, it's creation versus entropy, and you know, 342 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.720 it's kind of a homeostatic thing. 343 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.720 That all the more reason why they can all get 344 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:40.400 together and light each other on fire, and then that 345 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.920 way they can watch it burn. 346 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:48.799 Just just just uh just uh do an effigy without 347 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:50.160 the effigy part, right. 348 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.559 They can do that, They can watch each other burn. 349 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:57.400 That way, they can see the destruction that they've caused, 350 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.519 and they leave the rest of us out of it. 351 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.279 Well, you can you can see, you can see the 352 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:08.880 patterns of hannibalism in any any sort of fascist movement, 353 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:12.720 and which you know, like I I when I used 354 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.200 to ask my dad who you know, he would used 355 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.519 to watch Fox News all the time, and you know, 356 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:23.079 he's I've been gradually deprogramming him. But I used to 357 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.079 ask him like, Pops, don't you see like a bunch 358 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:28.559 of transphobia on there? And he's like, well, I don't know. 359 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:33.759 I think you're being too emotional and overreacting. I was like, oh, thanks, pops, 360 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:34.920 you do see me as your daughter. 361 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:39.160 That is a good line to say. 362 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:42.279 But you would say that like, fascists don't win very long. 363 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.599 Look at how quick we whooped Hitler's ass. And I'm like, well, 364 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.440 it's not very useful. You're just kipping a big part 365 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.079 of the story. 366 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.759 Yes, yeah, because he got into power like in twenty nine. 367 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.799 He wasn't removed until the forties, so I mean he 368 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:03.039 had twenty years of destruction to go through eleven whatever. 369 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:05.839 One year is too long. 370 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.400 I can tell which one of you used the math brain. 371 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:15.680 Yeah it's not me. I admit I am not that 372 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:21.160 great at math anymore. But still even one year is 373 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.000 too much for that ship. And you know what gets 374 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.480 me the most is that he's doing the exact same thing. 375 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.599 He's doing the whole playb Yeah, yeah, yeah, saying the 376 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.839 exact same words, doing the exact same thing, and people 377 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:40.079 are still like, what, everything's fine. 378 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:43.599 Well they didn't they didn't have Netflix back then. 379 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:45.200 Yeah, that's true. 380 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:49.720 And social media, you know, you like the intentional zombification 381 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:53.279 of the populace using you know, tried and true like 382 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:58.160 neural programming techniques. They're like light flash patterns and frequency. 383 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:00.799 You know, I went to score for game design originally, 384 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.519 so we learned all these you know, uh, push these 385 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:06.880 dopamine buttons in the brain if you want people to 386 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.720 keep playing your stupid game. You know. 387 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:13.160 Yeah, and that makes sense, but still, how do you 388 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:17.359 not see it? I mean, even if you didn't listen 389 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:20.640 in history class, how do you not see it coming? 390 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:28.000 No child left behind? The systemic uh, defunding and dismantling 391 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:32.559 of public education and funneling all of the students into 392 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.200 privatized you know, uh, you know, all the rich kids 393 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:42.279 get the education and everybody else they could barely you know, 394 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:43.240 read a sentence. 395 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:48.640 Yeah, and again it just education is the one thing 396 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:54.119 that equalizes everybody, allows everybody a chance at something. 397 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:59.759 We can't have that. I'm not in America. What do you? 398 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:00.359 I know? 399 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.799 I know, how dare I think of education as such? 400 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:11.839 But that quality, Yes, we want equity, and it's just 401 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.559