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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Graham True gram podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good morning the following podcast. It contains grabbing content

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<v Speaker 1>and material intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is ad.

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<v Speaker 2>We just lost ten viewers probably listeners. Listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners. Yeah, sorry, they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when we sing, but you know what, we're here

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<v Speaker 2>to be our own people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we are be your own peoples, do your own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's that. Okay, that is literally I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>This is sorry. I'm going on a tangent already and

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<v Speaker 2>we're like thirty seconds in. But that's what people say

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<v Speaker 2>when they like get old and on their deathbed. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>Ripley is a squeak toy that when people get old

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<v Speaker 2>and on their deathbed that they wished that they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have worried so much what people had to say and

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<v Speaker 2>just did their own shit, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I never worry about people worrying our opinion. Fuck people,

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<v Speaker 1>people suck, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, but people should just do what they want to

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<v Speaker 2>do in life.

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<v Speaker 1>They should, But then you end up with people like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Robert Hanson in the world and that dude is

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking douche canoe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think as long as it's like socially acceptable,

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<v Speaker 2>well yeah, what is socially acceptable? As long as it's

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<v Speaker 2>not hurting what could you say, hurting other individuals?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, per se. But even still, even if it's not

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<v Speaker 1>hurting other people, because there's people who just like exist

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<v Speaker 1>and I just wish they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like you, but

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<v Speaker 2>don't be this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, be yourself, but don't be fucking annoying. Don't be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people who people wish you weren't a people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah kind of people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, people like this dude. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well you made us wait long enough, my love.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to make you wait a slight bit

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<v Speaker 1>more before we continue onto Robert Hanson because we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to drop the merch notification. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this like rocks my world.

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<v Speaker 1>So as of right now, we are recording on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>December fourth, and we are uploading today as well later

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<v Speaker 1>on this evening Saturday, December fourth, But we only have

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<v Speaker 1>another couple of days for our merch before it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be launched for the public. And as of right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we have an exclusive Patreon only.

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<v Speaker 2>Design only available to Patreons.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, only available for Patreon before we do the

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<v Speaker 1>public launch, we are taking that design down for it

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<v Speaker 1>to never be available again. So the only time you

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<v Speaker 1>can ever get this specific design is through Patreon. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I think we might get like a sticker or

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<v Speaker 1>too and do giveaways.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we should do a little giveaway with

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<v Speaker 2>some Jackal merch, but the odds of winning that are

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<v Speaker 2>slim to none. It's slim.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to ensure that you get it,

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<v Speaker 1>go over to sign up for Patreon and get that

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<v Speaker 1>access before it's gone for ever's And then we launched

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the merch to public.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's Jacko socks. I knew this, but then I

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<v Speaker 2>rediscovered it.

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<v Speaker 1>Redisa excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting Jacko socks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's totally I'm gonna wear.

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<v Speaker 2>Them to bed like real sexy do it like basically

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<v Speaker 2>the sexiest you can be wear.

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<v Speaker 1>Those socks when we okay, so Jacko can.

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<v Speaker 2>Be Oh my god, that's too far, too far?

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<v Speaker 1>Why you don't want Jacko to join us in the bedroom? No? Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well that aside, you ready to move on?

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<v Speaker 1>To part two of this fucking douchebag known as Robert Hanson.

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<v Speaker 2>I am totally ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you sure you're ready? I don't know your seatbelt

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<v Speaker 1>is buckled. You got a drink in your hand?

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<v Speaker 2>I got tea, calming tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Calming tea. We're good, fair enough that that will help,

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<v Speaker 1>That will definitely help. While my microphone likes sprung back

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<v Speaker 1>or something. Look at us.

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<v Speaker 2>We are a shit show.

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<v Speaker 1>We are, but it's also wicked and grim. That's to

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<v Speaker 1>be expected.

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<v Speaker 2>That's literally us.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's kind of give a recap on where

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<v Speaker 1>we left off. So Robert Hansen began what he would

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<v Speaker 1>later refer to as his serial rapist start official start

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<v Speaker 1>of becoming a serial rapist. It was in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three when he began frequently picking up sex workers in

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<v Speaker 1>his car to take them away. So that's right where

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<v Speaker 1>we left off.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yeah, and he's married and has a family,

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<v Speaker 2>which is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>And his wife somehow just didn't know this was all

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<v Speaker 1>going on. We're not going to drag her down for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is what it is. But if you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know more, I can't sum up the first episode in

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<v Speaker 1>all of it Robert Hanson's the douchebag. He's a serial rapist,

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<v Speaker 1>as we just said, and he's going to move on

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<v Speaker 1>to not only raping, button murdering here in part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Gets worse exactly. So if you haven't listened to part one,

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<v Speaker 1>go listen to it, because we're going to go on

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<v Speaker 1>and continue the rest from here. Here we go, ladies

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<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen and days in them. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So reports are coming in from the police all

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<v Speaker 1>about women beginning to go missing and others being raped.

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<v Speaker 1>But it like it's seriously unfortunate. But police weren't taking

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<v Speaker 1>many of the reports.

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<v Speaker 2>Very seriously, which I don't love.

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<v Speaker 1>Right as it was all sex workers basically, that's why.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're all familiar with the troubles sex workers go

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<v Speaker 1>through with law enforcement not being taken seriously. And like

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<v Speaker 1>last episode, so we're not going to dive into it

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<v Speaker 1>here too much. Yeah, but to sum it up, the

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle leaves them with less than being less than credible

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to law enforcement. So Robert began frequently

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<v Speaker 1>stalking the red light district again, but this time in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way. As previously, he would sit in his car,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly on the side, not going to the clubs too much,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did just observing, observing from a distance, watching creeper.

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<v Speaker 1>Things began to change a little bit. He was still

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<v Speaker 1>a creeper, don't get me fucking wrong there. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>fucked this guy, but he began to actually enter the

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<v Speaker 1>dance clubs and bars on a much more frequent basis,

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<v Speaker 1>searching for his victims.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's almost like he got more brave, hey, more confidence, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is weird. I mean, I mean, I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>can only you're going to progress, right, Well, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Started out with like such a history of being bullied

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<v Speaker 1>in everything, right as a team. So as he was

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<v Speaker 1>now maybe talking to women, having the power over women,

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<v Speaker 1>raping these women.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking away more confidence, getting confidence in himself. I hate that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fucking disgusting way to get confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so disgusting confidence, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure it did feed that confidence. So now

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<v Speaker 1>he's beginning to feel like he is more powerful, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he can walk in, he can go up to the

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<v Speaker 1>girls sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep it like this community that they're living and is.

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<v Speaker 1>Not large, right, you know, I never really did look

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<v Speaker 1>up the population of Anchorage, and it's different for because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like in the nineteen seventies as well, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>True, but I just because I find that so mind

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<v Speaker 2>blowing that like he has his family and the separate

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<v Speaker 2>life and then like a good let or I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>normal life I guess you'd call it, and then this

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<v Speaker 2>like dark life and that he can get away with

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<v Speaker 2>it not crossing over whatsoever. That really odd.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Anchorage population today, as last taken in twenty nineteen, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>was two hundred ninety three thousand, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It really in Alaska? Yeah, holy shit, Okay, I thought, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this is stereotype. I didn't realize there was big

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<v Speaker 2>cities in Alaska, Like I had absolutely no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now you know, cool, I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To go there even more.

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<v Speaker 1>And the population in Anchorage, Alaska in the nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 1>was about fifty thousand, Okay, so it's gone up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot since then.

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<v Speaker 2>It has gone up a lot. And there still could

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<v Speaker 2>be people though that he would know at in this

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<v Speaker 2>these this red district or red light district. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>knows him from like his baking and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but anyone outside that, like his baking or his

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<v Speaker 1>fellow church goers and stuff, most likely aren't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in that Red Lake district. But even if they

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<v Speaker 1>do see him or whatever, they think of him as

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<v Speaker 1>a good guy, that he's just an outstanding citizen. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the baker, he goes to church. You know, they all

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<v Speaker 1>got his back, even his hunter buddy. He's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a good guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when he actually did go up and he did

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<v Speaker 1>approach women, or when he sat back and they approached him,

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<v Speaker 1>his demeanor and stature often played in his favor with

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<v Speaker 1>these extracurricular activities. That is what I'm going to say. Now. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert wasn't necessarily a big, brooding man. Though he had

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<v Speaker 1>improved his cutter large amount since his youth, it still

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<v Speaker 1>did follow him into his adulthood. He wasn't a very

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<v Speaker 1>large man, and he wore thick framed glasses. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>to top it all off, there were scars from sphere

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<v Speaker 1>acne as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>All in all, he just wasn't an imposing person, and

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<v Speaker 1>it left many of the women who he talked to

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<v Speaker 1>to feel very comfortable in his presence now, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>in like a comforting way, not like comfortable as in

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<v Speaker 1>he's comforting, but simply not feeling that there's any reason

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<v Speaker 1>to fear him, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, which is interesting because sometimes people like that

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<v Speaker 2>you do actually need to fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure that. Robert also did continue to steal,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't like anything that he went out of

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<v Speaker 1>his way to do sort of thing. It was all

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<v Speaker 1>mostly like just petty theft too. It was more for

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<v Speaker 1>the thrill of it sort of thing. He didn't plan

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<v Speaker 1>to steal. He just did it when he wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>In general, he considered it an easy, too easy to

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<v Speaker 1>get away with, so it wasn't much of a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he did do it, it was a spur

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<v Speaker 1>of the moment. It was for the rush. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, though, he was caught for stealing a chainsaw

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<v Speaker 1>from a local store that he wanted to give his

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<v Speaker 1>father for Christmas. He didn't even try to purchase it though,

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<v Speaker 1>He just apparently pulled out an old receipt from his pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>put it on top of the box, and began walking

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<v Speaker 1>out of the store like he paid for it. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the fucking balls on that dude for that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's ballsy.

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<v Speaker 1>But little did he know someone seen him do it, So.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting. This I just can't get over, like

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<v Speaker 1>To find the two sides like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just like this community outstanding person, a family, like,

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<v Speaker 2>to the Red District steals like rapes. It just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I just can't imagine someone living like two

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<v Speaker 1>That's your typical psychopath though abilities and it's just so

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<v Speaker 2>It just blows my mind. It blows my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, fair enough, Now where was I here? I

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<v Speaker 1>totally lost my place? Okay, right, So Robert pleaded guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to larcensey, larcency, larceny. There we go. After he was

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<v Speaker 1>He was sentenced to five years in prison for it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a long time. He appealed the sentence and the

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<v Speaker 1>just continued to stalk the red light district. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very big theme. As soon as he gets caught

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<v Speaker 1>and put away, he's let go and just goes right

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<v Speaker 1>back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because that need is really a burning while

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<v Speaker 2>he's in it's burning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a burning, burns, burns, burns, a burning ring a fire. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my terrible, terrible singing is going to just lose us

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<v Speaker 1>fucking listeners left, bet and center. Oh well, it's all good,

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<v Speaker 1>be yourself right, yourself unless you Yeah, So at this

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<v Speaker 1>point he needed we need to backtrack a little bit. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Sound good now.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert loves hunting. We already covered that in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But if if he didn't listen or you don't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely loves hunting, really good at it. He frequently spent

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<v Speaker 1>he was out there with his hunting buddies' lots too.

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<v Speaker 1>He did this on a regular basis, and he even

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<v Speaker 1>out to remote locations and hunting in these remote locations

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be pretty fun actually probably, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And for that purpose in one of these remote locations,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert eventually purchased himself a cabin and a nice remote

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<v Speaker 2>Fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the perfect oays is, to get away and

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<v Speaker 1>find wild game untouched by human interaction. One little problem, though,

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<v Speaker 1>how would he get to this cabin if he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>drive there. He can't just keep renting planes or borrowing

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<v Speaker 1>planes from friends or anything, right, Well, ended up purchasing

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<v Speaker 1>a small two person plane called a Piper super Cup,

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<v Speaker 1>which he used to travel to and from his cabin

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<v Speaker 1>in the Kinnick River area in the Manusuit. I practiced

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<v Speaker 1>how to say this. I practice. I swear matanuska, matanuska.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go. I practiced so much it was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I hit the word, I couldn't say.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy loaded no, actually, because who the hell can

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<v Speaker 2>just buy a cabin in the woods and then buy

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<v Speaker 2>a plane and.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, well, here's the deal. He was actually able to

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<v Speaker 1>purchase the plane. Due to insurance fraud, he filed a

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<v Speaker 1>claim that his house was broken into and someone had

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<v Speaker 1>stole much of his hunting equipment, including guns, rifles, and

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<v Speaker 1>his prized hunting trophies that were one of a kind,

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<v Speaker 1>things like antlers and mounts and stuff, which mounts can

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<v Speaker 1>be fucking expensive. You don't know that, Well, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>contents of your home house insurance right from this claim,

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up getting ten thousand dollars and he used

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<v Speaker 1>it to purchase said plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh wow, Yeah, I dislike him even more.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you'll dislike him when you realize that that plane

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<v Speaker 1>was a plane he would eventually begin to use to

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<v Speaker 1>bring his victims to a remote cabin deep in the

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<v Speaker 2>No, yesh, did his wife ever go to this cabin?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. There's very little out there on his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know, I'll stop talking about her. I just

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<v Speaker 2>think this is just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I do know a very frequent question that

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<v Speaker 1>people have is like, how can she not know this

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<v Speaker 1>is going on? And I'm sure she has been berated

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<v Speaker 1>with that throughout her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Since Yeah, but I mean, it's easy to turn a

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<v Speaker 2>blind eye to a loved one.

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<v Speaker 1>It is right, and especially we did cover it in

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<v Speaker 1>the other one. She was the type of person where

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<v Speaker 1>her religion and everything was like, don't question your husband,

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<v Speaker 1>it just you are there to support him sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, if you had a sweet cabin in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>I would probably be there more than you escape in

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<v Speaker 2>my regul.

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<v Speaker 1>You would go there. Yeah, I think it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>too far out even for you, though, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes just like escaping to like just this world that

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<v Speaker 2>is just your own kind of seems intriguing.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that what you have right now in a tiny home?

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, because we still have people around us and shit, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess okay, fair enough. Some of the women he began

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<v Speaker 1>to eventually take to his cabin would be lucky enough

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<v Speaker 1>to be flown back to Anchorage actually, and they would survive.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he would let them go on the basis that

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<v Speaker 1>he believed they wouldn't tell anyone. Mostly though it's due

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that Robert was would terrify them enough

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where that where they were afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>say anything. So if he got to them enough, if

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<v Speaker 1>he believed they're not going to talk, then he'd let

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<v Speaker 1>them go, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He's threatening them basically, yeah, very much like the individual

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<v Speaker 2>in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Other women, however, are believed to have been set free

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<v Speaker 1>among the Kinnick River, where Robert would simply tell them

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<v Speaker 1>to run, like he had done in the past. There

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<v Speaker 1>the women would be in the middle of the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>terrified and most likely nude, while they ran for their

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<v Speaker 1>lives from a man who had kidnapped and raped them,

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<v Speaker 1>trying desperately to find a way to survive as he

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<v Speaker 1>stalked them through the bush and yep, just hunted them

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<v Speaker 1>like some sort of twisted game with his gun in

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<v Speaker 1>hand and a big bush knife on his belt. This

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<v Speaker 1>is where the tales of Robert having the whole hunting

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<v Speaker 1>humans came from. However, none of these hunting people accusations

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<v Speaker 1>have ever actually been proven.

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<v Speaker 2>Which we'll look at where he's doing it, the dense

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<v Speaker 2>forest and stuff. I feel like you could easily hide

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<v Speaker 2>a body out there, could you not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's oh, we're getting to the bodies. Don't worry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying the actions of hunting someone, letting them go,

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<v Speaker 1>and hunting them has not been proven.

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<v Speaker 2>What we do know, no one would know that, which

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<v Speaker 2>I guess there's.

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<v Speaker 1>No way of knowing that unless Robert came forward and

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<v Speaker 1>admitted it, and he has.

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<v Speaker 2>Not, so this is just speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's speculation, but it is most likely in occurrence.

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<v Speaker 2>Not necessary speculation though, because like from if they have

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<v Speaker 2>been finding these bodies, they can maybe tell like from

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<v Speaker 2>their feet or something. I don't know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>just keep listening, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be a fairly decomposed body they'd most likely find touche.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically it's speculation only because there were incidents where

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<v Speaker 1>he has told other victims to run, victims who have

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<v Speaker 1>survived and told the tale. Oh okay, so he has

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<v Speaker 1>in the past told people to run, and he really

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<v Speaker 1>likes hunting, and if he were to go so far,

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<v Speaker 1>he very well could have done that in this area.

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<v Speaker 1>Though there is no evidence to it, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't seem far fetched. Basically, it's most likely the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but good luck proving it. Yeah, So we do

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<v Speaker 1>know Robert uses cabin and plane between Oh sorry, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we do know Robert used his cabin and plane for

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<v Speaker 1>some activities that we're going to get to. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty three, four bodies

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<v Speaker 1>were discovered in that area. The body of an unidentified

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<v Speaker 1>woman was found on Aclutna Road. A Klutanat Annie is

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<v Speaker 1>the name given to the unidentified murder victim whose body

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<v Speaker 1>was discovered in a wooded area one mile south of

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<v Speaker 1>the Aclutona Lake Road. Now, this is in a clutna

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<v Speaker 1>An Creage, Alaska, but it's still in the very very

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<v Speaker 1>very close area in July nineteen eighty. She was aged

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<v Speaker 1>between six sixteen and twenty five at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>her death, and her body was discovered several months after

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<v Speaker 1>being murdered, and an autopsy report concluded that she had

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<v Speaker 1>been killed by a single stab wound to the back.

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<v Speaker 1>A Clutant Annie was murdered in nineteen teen seventy nine

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<v Speaker 1>by Robert who later specifically stated that she was his

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<v Speaker 1>first murder victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes, that's young, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the case still remains open and numerous efforts have

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<v Speaker 1>been made to determine the identity of Annie, including several

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<v Speaker 1>forensic facial reconstructions and how she may have appeared, But

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, she is still known as Aklutnant Annie.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, no one has ever identified her.

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<v Speaker 1>She has not been identified to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy heck, we should almost put that photo up.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely going to put that up on Instagram, huh. So.

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<v Speaker 1>In May of nineteen eighty, the body of Jonah Messina

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<v Speaker 1>and was originally thought to be the victim of a

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<v Speaker 1>bear attack, as her badly decomposed body had since been

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<v Speaker 1>used as a snack I guess you could say by

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<v Speaker 1>a bear in the area. It wasn't until much later

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<v Speaker 1>that they realized she was actually a victim of Robert.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's not really doing much effort to have even

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<v Speaker 2>hide these bodies really well.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is that it's a remote area only accessible

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<v Speaker 1>by boat or plane, right, and it just so happens

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<v Speaker 1>that some of these victims are being found by the

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<v Speaker 1>circumstance of individuals in the area. One, for example, was

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<v Speaker 1>a plane that just so happens to land testing some

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<v Speaker 1>new tires on their plane on this gravel bar the

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<v Speaker 1>Kinnick River and saw bone sticking out of the ground

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<v Speaker 1>just so happened to be That's random. Another individual was

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<v Speaker 1>buried off a I think it was a power line

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<v Speaker 1>in the remote area, and it was workers working in

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<v Speaker 1>the area that again saw the shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>Grave, which I mean was kind of he could have

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<v Speaker 2>buried that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>He could, right, but I mean it's sure like, who

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck's going to be out here and see this?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's some think an overconfidenc thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Again it is, but what are the fucking odds?

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<v Speaker 2>So apparently pretty good?

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently on September twelfth, there's another one here. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two, hunters found a shallow grave on the banks

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<v Speaker 1>of the Kinik River just so happened hunters crossed that path.

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<v Speaker 1>The remains were identified as that of a twenty three

429
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<v Speaker 1>year old exotic dancer, Sherry Morrow, who had been reported

430
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<v Speaker 1>missing a year earlier. She had been shot in the

431
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<v Speaker 1>back three times, and cartridges found in the nearby body

432
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<v Speaker 1>suggests that she had been shot with a two twenty

433
00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:33.519
<v Speaker 1>three Ruger Mini fourteen hunting rifle, a rifle that Robert

434
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.440
<v Speaker 1>just so happened to own, an odd feature that was

435
00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.920
<v Speaker 1>also found with the body. She was found fully clothed,

436
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<v Speaker 1>but there were no bullet holes in her clothing, suggesting

437
00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.640
<v Speaker 1>that Sherry had been naked when shot and then redressed

438
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<v Speaker 1>after her death and before she was buried.

439
00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, but then right there almost goes to show you too,

440
00:21:55.839 --> 00:22:00.319
<v Speaker 2>because like she was shot outside of the cabin thing,

441
00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:04.079
<v Speaker 2>like not even really near the cabin yep, which kind

442
00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:06.640
<v Speaker 2>of right there shows that he was probably hunting.

443
00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Her most likely.

444
00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh that is just the most terrifying shit I've ever

445
00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:16.359
<v Speaker 2>I just I just couldn't imagine. Holy you're in this

446
00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:20.559
<v Speaker 2>like middle of nowhere, like literally running for your life,

447
00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:22.359
<v Speaker 2>but there's nowhere to go. Like, oh my gosh, it

448
00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:23.839
<v Speaker 2>almost thinkes you want to cry and you.

449
00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Have nothing, not even the clothing, the.

450
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<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, just the shit, like you just feel just.

451
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<v Speaker 1>Helpless more than that, more than helpless. Fucked yeah, Like

452
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<v Speaker 1>are you good?

453
00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:38.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm good?

454
00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:39.119
<v Speaker 1>You sure.

455
00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I just like put myself in these victims situations. I

456
00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:44.599
<v Speaker 2>try not to do that, but it was just like overwhelming.

457
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<v Speaker 2>It was like, holy shit, it.

458
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Looks like you're about to start crying.

459
00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel so bad. That's like terrifying.

460
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it is terrifying. I can't I can't imagine being

461
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<v Speaker 1>in the shoes of these victims. No, this leads us

462
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<v Speaker 1>to seventeen year old teen year old woman by the

463
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<v Speaker 1>name of Cindy Paulson. Oh, sorry, hold on, I think

464
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<v Speaker 1>I skipped one. Yes, I skipped one, so let's back

465
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<v Speaker 1>up just slightly. September second, nineteen eighty three, another shallow

466
00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:13.240
<v Speaker 1>grave was found on the banks of the Kinik River.

467
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<v Speaker 1>The victim was identified as another exotic dancer, seventeen year

468
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<v Speaker 1>old Paula Golden. She had been murdered in the exact

469
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:24.319
<v Speaker 1>same way Sherry Morrow had and had also been redressed

470
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:27.279
<v Speaker 1>after death. Jeez, So now we're going to talk about

471
00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen year old woman by the name of Cindy Paulson.

472
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<v Speaker 1>Cindy was a sex worker who was working the Anchorage

473
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<v Speaker 1>Fourth Avenue in the night of July thirteenth, nineteen eighty three,

474
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<v Speaker 1>when Robert pulled up in his car and offered her

475
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<v Speaker 1>two hundred dollars for her services. As we said before,

476
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Robert had glasses with thin acne scars, stutter when he spoke,

477
00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and Cindy saw nothing threatening about Robert whatsoever and got

478
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<v Speaker 1>into his car for the two hundred dollars. As she

479
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<v Speaker 1>shut the passenger door, Robert quickly put a gun to

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<v Speaker 1>her head and slipped slipped handcuffs onto her wrists. With

481
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>a gun in her face, she had nothing to do

482
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>but do as she was told, so Robert drove them

483
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<v Speaker 1>to his house on Old Harbor Avenue, and once they

484
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>had arrived, he forced Cindy into the house at gunpoint

485
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<v Speaker 1>and down into his basement, the same thing he had

486
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:24.400
<v Speaker 1>done to so many victims before her. There, he gagged, raped,

487
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.319
<v Speaker 1>and tortured Cindy for several hours, and once he was finished,

488
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<v Speaker 1>he put chains around her neck and secured her to

489
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<v Speaker 1>a wooden post. Then Robert laid on the couch across

490
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<v Speaker 1>from Cindy and fell asleep.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is fucking disgusting and terrifying all

492
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>at the same time that he just has absolutely no

493
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<v Speaker 2>remorse whatsoever.

494
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>The fact that he could just sit there and just

495
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:53.279
<v Speaker 1>fall asleep, not even okay, okay, just say yeah, okay,

496
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.319
<v Speaker 1>you can fall asleep after that, but fall asleep in

497
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.839
<v Speaker 1>front of her, just there across the room on the.

498
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<v Speaker 2>Ca out and you just go to sleep like she's

499
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:03.519
<v Speaker 2>not even there, basically yeah.

500
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Like she's nothing, Like you don't give a shit. Wow,

501
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Like the psychology behind that is fucked up.

502
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Like this guy is beyond disgusting, Oh beyond wow.

503
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And I can't imagine being in Cyndi's shoes as well,

504
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 1>being tied up there watching him sleep and you're just chained.

505
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:24.880
<v Speaker 2>What do you even do? Like, because you probably wouldn't

506
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.079
<v Speaker 2>even want to wake him up and make him angry, right, Like,

507
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:28.279
<v Speaker 2>what would you even do?

508
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.119
<v Speaker 1>You're you're most likely going to want to look for

509
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.319
<v Speaker 1>an escape or how can you escape? But like you say,

510
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:34.839
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to wake him up, what's he going

511
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to do when he wakes up? What's he going to

512
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>do if he finds you trying to escape? So you're

513
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.279
<v Speaker 1>trying to escape in a quiet way because I'm sure, Okay, yeah,

514
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>you can say you're going to rattle the chains, you're

515
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.839
<v Speaker 1>gonna break something, You're going to try and use the

516
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:48.119
<v Speaker 1>chains and see if you can wear it down the

517
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.279
<v Speaker 1>wooden post. That's all gonna wake them up. You're not

518
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>you can't do any of those things.

519
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.599
<v Speaker 2>So you're just in this terrible position.

520
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.759
<v Speaker 1>The only thing you can most likely do is try

521
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to slip your head out of those chains, which she couldn't.

522
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna work.

523
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have Ripley sitting here just licking my hands

524
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:07.599
<v Speaker 1>as I'm talking in this podcast.

525
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 2>She was sitting that earlier to me, and then I

526
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>was like ignoring her.

527
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So once Robert woke up. I what did I

528
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 1>do again? I think I keep like hitting my mouse

529
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's like scrolling the page on me. Okay, okay, yeah,

530
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I got myself. So the morning came, Robert woke up

531
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and he began packing immediately. He then took Cindy by

532
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 1>gunpoint again back upstairs and put her into their car.

533
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 1>He drove off to Merlin Field where the airport is.

534
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, sorry, no, I get it.

535
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like I looked at you and you're just

536
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:47.279
<v Speaker 1>like what.

537
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.599
<v Speaker 2>No, I get it. I'm just like, my brain's still

538
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>going about where the his wife is. But I'm not.

539
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm just done. Done. I'm done.

540
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>So he went to the airport where his airplane was

541
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>sitting there waiting. The area was deserve. Not a single

542
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>person insight at the airport, okay, And Cindy sat on

543
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the floor of the back seat of his car, hands

544
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>cuffed in front of her. Robert got out of the car,

545
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>leaving Cindy inside while he went to prepare the plane.

546
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Now he was kind of going back and forth for

547
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>some luggage and this sort of stuff, and he was

548
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>at the plane getting it ready and feeling she had

549
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing to lose, and she would most likely be killed soon. Yeah,

550
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Cindy saw her chance to escape, Yes, and she took it.

551
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.720
<v Speaker 2>And this is a seventeen year old woman.

552
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, I believe Cindy is seventeen years That.

553
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Is freaking incredible. Okay, let's go. I'm ready, I got

554
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>my enthusiasm.

555
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 1>So, laying on the back seat, she sat up and

556
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>peered out the window and noticed Robert had his back

557
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.799
<v Speaker 1>to her. He was concentrating and focusing on the task

558
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 1>at hand with the plane. So she slowly and quietly

559
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 1>crawled into the driver's seat, opened the door and ran

560
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.319
<v Speaker 1>had noticed, however, but it was too late and she

561
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.880
<v Speaker 1>had gone too far already. Yes, he tried to chase

562
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>after her, but Cindy, wearing only handcuffs and a T

563
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>shirt with her underwear, made it to the nearby sixth Avenue,

564
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>where she flagged down a truck before Robert can dress.

565
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 1>The man on the truck by the name of Richard,

566
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you saw Cindy in distress and pulled over and picked

567
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>her up. Cindy just kept repeating to or to Richard,

568
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 1>He's going to kill me, He's going to kill me.

569
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine picking someone up like literally? That? Oh?

570
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Just saying that. I'd be like, holy shit, what do

571
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.119
<v Speaker 2>you do?

572
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>You fucking drive? That's what you do?

573
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah, because you're in my car, I'm like, this

574
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>is dude coming, Like I'd just be terrified.

575
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's almost like that what was that commercial that.

576
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Start the car? What commercialscause? Like smoking deals or not

577
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>even smoking deals. It's just like he apparently it's like

578
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 2>less expensive.

579
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know what. That kind of

580
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of that where it's like panicaling getting out

581
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>of their sort of thing.

582
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Your phone's making me think, there you go, it is you.

583
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Richard did start the car. He drove Cindy

584
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to a nearby a nearby in the mulsh In and

585
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>once she was safely inside because she just kind of

586
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>took off the vehicle went inside and Robert's like, uh,

587
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck do I do?

588
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, yeah, he doesn't a look guilty of shit either, right.

589
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he left Cindy safely inside. When she was there,

590
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>he continued to drive, but he did call and notify

591
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the police of the handcuffed and terrified young woman that

592
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>he had just picked up and where her location was.

593
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.799
<v Speaker 1>So he told the police everything and let them know.

594
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>The poor thing.

595
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I can only imagine what she's going through now.

596
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Police did find Cindy, and they found out that she

597
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>had actually taken a cab to the Big Timber Motel,

598
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 1>so she was at a different location when they finally

599
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.799
<v Speaker 1>caught up to her. Okay, but once they met up

600
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>with her, they met her in one of the rooms

601
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>at the hotel, where she sat there crying and still handcuffed.

602
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 1>The police removed the handcuffs and took her to the

603
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 1>police station, where she provided a description of the man

604
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>who had abducted her. She also described the room she

605
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>had been held captive in inside his basement, and she

606
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.519
<v Speaker 1>described the house of having many trophies of animals mounted

607
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 1>on the wall. Cindy then directed them the authorities to

608
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the Merrillfield Airport and identified her abductor's airplane. That airplane

609
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>was registered to Robert Hanson.

610
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's no way he can getting himself out of

611
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>this shit.

612
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 1>There is one detail that Cindy was able to provide

613
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.519
<v Speaker 1>police that I just want to point out that makes

614
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Cindy our official badass of the door. If she's not already,

615
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.559
<v Speaker 1>just wait till you hear this. While she was still

616
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.759
<v Speaker 1>back in the backseat of Robert's car before she ran

617
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.119
<v Speaker 1>and took off, she left behind her blue shoes that

618
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 1>she was wearing. This way she could prove that that

619
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>was the car she was in the back seat of.

620
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>There her shoes are left behind in that fucking car.

621
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Wow. So that's like she's really thinking the fact that

622
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>she'd already been through such traumatic events that she's still

623
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 2>able to like be thinking to save her life and stuff. Right.

624
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, she was able to think clearly leave behind evidence, yeah,

625
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 1>to get him caught and then bring it forward to

626
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the police.

627
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Boom.

628
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>So what do you think is going to be happening?

629
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 2>You're obsessed with her if he gets away with this shit,

630
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>like there's a problem, Like this has to be the

631
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>last straw.

632
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:41.359
<v Speaker 1>It just has to, you think.

633
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 2>So it has to.

634
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 1>While police went to question Robert, okay, and he even

635
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>left them into his house to look around and gave

636
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>him permission to enter.

637
00:31:52.480 --> 00:32:00.160
<v Speaker 2>H What, Well, that's not good, okay, because that to

638
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 2>make and the police seem like he's innocent.

639
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what he's after.

640
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

641
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 1>So police were told by Cindy about the wooden post

642
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>in the basement and the chains shackled to it, the

643
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 1>animal trophies and everything. So Robert led him in, showed

644
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 1>him around in the wooden posts, and he was chained

645
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 1>to in the basement. No longer had the chains to it. Well,

646
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Robert had already actually puttied and fixed up bolt holes

647
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 1>and chain damage from the chain by the time the

648
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>police had arrived.

649
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>You'd smell that ship, though, are you just under renos

650
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 2>like him?

651
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

652
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Fix, I'm pissed again. Okay, keep going, you good, Yeah,

653
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 2>but I'm very anxious to hear what the book.

654
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Robert again began to play authorities, a sex worker's word

655
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:02.079
<v Speaker 1>against his. Wait, nothing. He even had his hunting buddies,

656
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 1>fellow churchgoers, bakery patrons who are willing to testify that

657
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Robert would never do these things. It was his word

658
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 1>against hers. Now, sure, he picked up Cindy, but rape like,

659
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 1>how do you killing her? She's a sex worker, and

660
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>of course that they had sex.

661
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Said that he picked her up.

662
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.319
<v Speaker 1>He admitted that, of course the shoes are in the

663
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 1>back of her car. Of course she knows what the

664
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 1>basement in the house looks like. She's a sex worker.

665
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Ah no, yes, okay, Well, she probably had to have

666
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 2>like some terrible bruising and like and shits.

667
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>A sex they're a sex worker, prove it. Oh my,

668
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 1>that's the problem, and that's what he played on.

669
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but that's the story. You have to believe.

670
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Nothing could be proven, the blue shoes, the player. It

671
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't prove anything without physical evidence, and they had nothing.

672
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>They had no physical evidence all because Robert did this before.

673
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not too sure if he did it in

674
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.119
<v Speaker 1>this specific case, but what he had played before was saying, Okay,

675
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a date. I thought we were

676
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>out on a date, and yes, we had sex. After sex,

677
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>she demanded payment and I'm like, I'm not paying you.

678
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was a date. And from there she

679
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:30.239
<v Speaker 1>threatens with rape. That's what he had pulled before, and

680
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's probably pulling a similar thing in this case.

681
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

682
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>So her accusations are just her way of trying to

683
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>get the two inter bucks from me that I so called.

684
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh her, So this is like a smart molfo. He's smart.

685
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Hey, he is manipulating, is what I'm going to say.

686
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 1>He's a fucking ass.

687
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that this isn't over.

688
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 1>At this point, they had no evidence against Robert. That

689
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>is until one investigator searching Robert's house saw a recently

690
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>disturbed piece of insulation in Robert's attic. While searching m there,

691
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he found some jewelry belonging to miss missing and murdered women.

692
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I remember Robert had a hunting passion. He was a

693
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 1>hunter and collected trophies. These to him were trophies from

694
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 1>his kills. Ill.

695
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but good on that investigator, right, he wasn't believing

696
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.960
<v Speaker 2>this molefho, He's doing his job. I like it.

697
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 1>I like it now. They were able to identify specific

698
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>pieces of jewelry to specific murdered individuals that they had found,

699
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>some of those that we had listened previously, which is huge.

700
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

701
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.639
<v Speaker 1>However, it still doesn't prove anything about him killing anyone.

702
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he bought him from a pawnshop. Maybe they pawned

703
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 1>him off and then he bought him because they're sex workers.

704
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they needed money. It doesn't prove anything.

705
00:35:59.159 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 2>That looks so good.

706
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.519
<v Speaker 1>It looks guilty, but it doesn't prove he murdered anyone.

707
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Is the pro.

708
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 2>I know, I get it.

709
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>What they're looking for is a smoking gun. They need

710
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>something to prove now. Luckily, there was something else that

711
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>they found while searching his house. There was a map

712
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>taped to the backside of his headboard on his bed.

713
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 1>It was an aviation map covering the area over the

714
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Kinnick River where his cabin resided. But there was something

715
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 1>different about this map, in particular, it's.

716
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, it's such an interesting place to hide something I

717
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 2>never thought of that you'll.

718
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Think of it now. Apparently, any idea what could have

719
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:41.760
<v Speaker 1>been on this map?

720
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.519
<v Speaker 2>I bet you it was like x's or crosses or

721
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:52.199
<v Speaker 2>whatever where he left women dead women. Well, that's my guess.

722
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 1>On this map there were a total of twenty four

723
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>x's scattered throughout locations. It didn't seem to make much

724
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.480
<v Speaker 1>sense to authorities at first, but it took them a

725
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>couple of moments and then it connected because.

726
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>They've found bodies in the sunny spots.

727
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Probably they compared the map to a map they had

728
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>made of locations on where bodies were found in the

729
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>area so far, and the exes that they had matched

730
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>perfectly with the exes they had on Robert's map. It

731
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>was a map of where Robert had buried his victims.

732
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>So A, that's the smoking gun. Yes, and B twenty four.

733
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Twenty four xes were made on that map.

734
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.760
<v Speaker 2>WHOA, yes, I'm not expected to be that kind of number,

735
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>my god.

736
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, though, this is the smoking gun they

737
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 1>were looking for. This proves his involvement. This doesn't just

738
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:56.280
<v Speaker 1>prove that he was associated. This proves he was involved,

739
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>my goodness. So Robert was quickly taken into customs and

740
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.119
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't before long that he decided he wanted to

741
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 1>come clean. He admitted to the rape and the murder

742
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 1>of the four individuals that they currently had, and that

743
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 1>they could put his name to right and in return,

744
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 1>if he pled guilty, they would agree. Are you ready

745
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>for this?

746
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I am?

747
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, he would agree to help authorities find the bodies

748
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of the remaining marked people on his map, if and

749
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:36.760
<v Speaker 1>that's if there are no other charges for any further crimes,

750
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>whether he was guilty or not, no matter what they found.

751
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, but okay, that's not terrible.

752
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Real quick to sum this up, just to make sure

753
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 1>we got this laid out flat. So Robert is being

754
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 1>charged with the four bodies that they currently have, ok

755
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 1>And he is pleading guilty to those charges. In return,

756
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.559
<v Speaker 1>he will help authorities locate the rest of the exes

757
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 1>he has murdered. He will help them locate their bodies.

758
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.719
<v Speaker 1>In return, he is basically free of charges from anything

759
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>they find from here on out.

760
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 2>But my thought is that for rape and murder charges

761
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.280
<v Speaker 2>is going to get you life in prison anyway, is

762
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of my thought. Yeah, but it's still like for

763
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the victims and their families and stuff, I think that's

764
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of a pretty shitty deal probably.

765
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>But the victim gets to come home. They're found this way.

766
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.599
<v Speaker 2>We're found because he wouldn't have helped probably trying to

767
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>find them other ways. But do they need his fucking help?

768
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Already have this map with all these ringing x's.

769
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>And shit, well that X might not show an exact spot,

770
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 1>right it shows, Okay, it's in this valley. Good luck

771
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>searching and finding a body buried in that valley, right.

772
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:46.519
<v Speaker 2>I guess, I guess.

773
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.639
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, all parties agreed to this deal, and Robert

774
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 1>happily and I highlight happily showed the locations of hidden

775
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>bodies on the map because he was, in fact, happy, excited,

776
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>almost as described to some of the authorities, who were involved.

777
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>He was excited and happy to show the locations as

778
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>if proud of what he had done and proud of

779
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the area, like a hunter showing and telling his hunting story.

780
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Huh they must. I just can only imagine what they're

781
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 2>thinking of this dude.

782
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>So they would literally fly him into the area and

783
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.039
<v Speaker 1>he would lead them to exactly exactly where the body

784
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 1>was buried. And I mean, like a parent to a tea.

785
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>They did not have to dig an extra grave on

786
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>any of the bodies they exhumed. He said, here, they

787
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:38.800
<v Speaker 1>dug there.

788
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 2>There was a body that's like pretty good memory. Really yea,

789
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>he would have been good at the memory game.

790
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Probably I was at that. So in total, Robert led

791
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>them to find a total of seventeen bodies that were

792
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 1>exes on the map. Okay, the remaining seven xes. Robert

793
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>denies killing and burying anyone in these.

794
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Locations, so he just has ran the exs on this map.

795
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that.

796
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:08.559
<v Speaker 1>As it stands, Robert has a total and is officially responsible,

797
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:14.360
<v Speaker 1>officially on the record, responsible with seventeen known murders, thirty

798
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:19.840
<v Speaker 1>one different rapes, one attempted murder, and one attempted rape,

799
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.639
<v Speaker 1>for his four murders that he did get charged with.

800
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 1>He was sentenced by jury to a total of four

801
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty one years good plus life in prison

802
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>without the possibility of parole.

803
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, that's what I wanted to hear.

804
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.360
<v Speaker 1>And in August twenty first, twenty fourteen, Robert died of

805
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>natural causes at the age of seventy five behind bars.

806
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 2>What year would you have gone to prison then to sorry,

807
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>that might be a question.

808
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 1>I know, I didn't actually write that down when his

809
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 1>trial was that's.

810
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Crazy that he because yeah, I don't know, but he

811
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>was youngerish, I guess when he was doing all this shit.

812
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I can scroll back here when was Cindy abducted again?

813
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Because it was three months after Cindy that he decided

814
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.320
<v Speaker 1>to come clean. So it was June thirteenth, nineteen eighty

815
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>three when he picked up and kidnapped Cindy.

816
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And he died in twenty fourteen. Oh okay, okay, that's

817
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>actually a substantial amount of time in person. I for

818
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>some reason thought it wasn't okay.

819
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>So the list of his victims include, but are not

820
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>limited to, Cecilia Beth van Zanton. She was an ex

821
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>on his map, but Robert denies killing her. Bullshit Megan

822
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Saban Emeric. She was also an ex in the map,

823
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>but Robert denies killing her. Mary Kathleen phil was also

824
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>an ex on Robert's map, but he denies killing her.

825
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Unidentified a Clute Nott, Annie Jonah Messina, Roxanne Eastland, whose

826
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>body has never been found, Lisa Futrelle, Sherry Morrow, Andrea

827
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Altieri whose body has never been found. Sue Luna Robin Pelke,

828
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 1>whose identity was finally discovered in October of twenty twenty one.

829
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, just two months ago. She had previously been

830
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.199
<v Speaker 1>given the nickname Horseshoe Harriet.

831
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Well and someone finally identified She's.

832
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Finally been identified.

833
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

834
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Delynne Frey, Paula Golden, Malia Larson, Teresa Watson, Angela veteran,

835
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Tamara Pederson, Sorry, Cindy Paulson, who he kidnapped and raped,

836
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>but she escaped and was subsequently the cause of his

837
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.719
<v Speaker 1>capture and also our bass.

838
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Of the Badass of the Day. I just have to

839
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Speaker 2>say I was almost said it during but I was like, no,

840
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 2>you need to read those lists through. Is like I'm sorry,

841
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.760
<v Speaker 2>but like you know exactly where they're buried a dead

842
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>person and you didn't fucking kill them, Like, how is

843
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>that even? Like you just sound like an idiot.

844
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's officially responsible for their death.

845
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh totally. Yeah, if you know where they're buried and everything,

846
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.880
<v Speaker 2>there's I cannot think of many reasons that you wouldn't

847
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.920
<v Speaker 2>be their murderer, I know. So wow.

848
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 1>So that is the story of Robert Hanson, the butcher Baker.

849
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>That is wild. That is like a wild, awfully sad story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm sorry it took us so long. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets part two for you guys. But the research was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more in depth than I anticipated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>We were hoping to have it out yesterday or the

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<v Speaker 1>day before, but we'll always get part two out before

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode airs, at least that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sometimes it's surprising how much research, like you don't

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<v Speaker 2>realize until like you're really in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I could have gotten a lot more in

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<v Speaker 1>depth with this if I wanted to. There's some details

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<v Speaker 1>and some explanations and stuff that I skipped over, But

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<v Speaker 1>I do highly recommend that if you want to learn more,

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<v Speaker 1>dive into it. It's a rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could only imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>So fuck Robert Hanson to Cindy the Badass of the

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<v Speaker 1>day and everyone else. All right, yeah, thanks for listening. Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Time, we appreciate you and stay wicked.