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Speaker 1: What is up, fellowsiko as I am dat the Valley.

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Speaker 2: Coming at you with a time capsule podcast. This will

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be releasing on Wednesday, August fourteenth. Grant and I are

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slated to release our Western Conference twenty twenty three offseason

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regrades on Friday, August sixteenth, So I figured it would

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be good to put up this so that if you

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wanted to listen to and go back and see what

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we said rather than just hear us say what our

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grades were.

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Speaker 1: At the time, thought it could be valuable.

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Speaker 2: And this also because we put out so many episodes,

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it's easier than just going back and relinking. Also for

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any one of the things that we're just trying to

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fill dead air time. I mean, I guess potentially, but

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we have some other podcasts banked. These were three separate podcasts.

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I had to combine them into one and actually editing them,

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Speaker 1: Of the ads.

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Speaker 2: It actually took longer than would have for me to

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edit a podcast that we had recorded.

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Speaker 1: So listen to it.

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Speaker 2: Don't figure that it would be useful though, if you

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actually want to hear what our logic was before Grant

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and I have to walk back a bunch of what

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we said going into it preliminarily looking at our grades

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and then sort of listening while I was editing, I'm

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gonna have a lot of stuff. Then I'm probably gonna

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end up changing, so that'll be fun. It's always a

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fun exercise. Also thought this would be a really good

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time to announce that, after much deliberation discussion, we have

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decided to bring back the look Ahead series this season.

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Speaker 1: We were really on the.

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Speaker 2: Fence about it. It is it is a bear for us.

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I'm not gonna lie. Our guests are fantastic, but it's

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not something you do for the engagement, for the downloads,

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for the exposure, because you're not finding as big of

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an audience or as why of an audience when you're

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covering a single team. But I do find them super useful.

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We do do this for the sickos, but I would

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ask that you know, come out in full force, download them,

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listen to them, share them, anything you could do to

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help get them out there and maybe appeal appeal to

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new listeners.

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Speaker 1: Because it's a lot of work and.

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Speaker 2: Our schedules at this point are actually busier than ever

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now and that's not going to change, which is why

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we were very close to cutting this, but we do.

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love all of you guys who are actually listening to

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all of them. So they will be up. I will

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build the usual landing pages. There will be a YouTube playlist.

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Math website where we'll have all the individual episodes links.

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So if you need sort of a one stop shop

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and don't want to scroll through our audio podcast feed,

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because this time Capsule podcast is only for you audio

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ogs YouTube, it's a lot easier to like there was

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a playlist, they could relink it. But we put out

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over one hundred and eighty episodes since the last like

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over the past year, like twelve months or whatever. It

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is exactly so, and because they were three separate podcasts,

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just didn't make sense to, oh, here's relinking them. So

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now it's all in one spot. Hopefully you'll appreciate.

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Speaker 1: That look back.

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Speaker 2: We had to look ahead. I think they'll start coming

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out next week. I don't know what the cadence of

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them will be. I already have some in the bank.

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since we're so early in the offseason, with you know,

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will be trying to do a nationally or more macro

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topic focused podcast during the stretch once a week because

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team that's not their favorite team. I get it, but

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it's fair because there are some teams that invariably on accident,

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of course, but they fall by the wayside in service

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appreciate it, and hopefully you enjoy me ceasing to talk

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now so you can hear past Grant and Dan talk

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saying things that present day Dan and Grant, or technically

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: We begin with Denver. We're gonna try and do the

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alphabet again, I assume.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we'll do our best. I will start with Denver.

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that they did not really make any big ones, so

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we're talking relatively. Denver traded it's twenty twenty nine first

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with a top five protection to the Thunder for the worst,

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number thirty seven and twenty twenty three and a twenty

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twenty four second. Then they flipped, so you're already gonna

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have to help me the worst of those picks to

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ended up trading their twenty twenty nine first, which is

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top five protected for two years, and they already have

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an obligation to OKAC in twenty twenty seven. But they

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traded that first number forty and they ended up with

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Julian Strather at number twenty nine, jail and Pickett at

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number thirty two, number thirty seven Hunter Tyson, and I

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least favorable. I hate these trades just we were too

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complicated anyway, So they end up with basically basically straw

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they did all that shit. So now they have rookies

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on the roster, Julian Strawther, Jalen Pickett, Hunter Tyson. Let's

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get to the real meat to this. They signed Reggie

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Jackson for two years and ten point twenty five million

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with a player option. Uh, thank you for including lad

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had to talk about that. I kind of want to

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a couple more things. DeAndre Jordan's back. Justin Holliday also back,

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also on board for the minimum. Bruce Brown Junior has

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signed any place yet, but I would love for him

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to sign with a different team so he can continue

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to extend his streak of most teams played for in

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NBA history. That's pretty much it. Do you want to Well,

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with the no no. I mean that that matters for

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this too. And we're also trying to factor in like

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what options were available, what were the opportunities not pursued

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that We're realistic, so every team is a little bit different, right,

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individual circumstances. So the Nuggets didn't have a lot of

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options essentially, right, so we have to think about that.

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But also Reggie Jackson, Dan please.

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Speaker 2: Go so and what did not factor They could not

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pay Bruce Brown what it was just it wasn't they

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chose tax savings over they couldn't keep Bruce Brown. They

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one year guaranteed, but that was a salary that was

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an acl that's like something that doesn't impact their grade,

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their resources available. It was just not I'm probably gonna

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just a really bad offseason, and I think what they

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nine first is ultimately fine if you're really liking the

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players that you got back. You know, maybe I know

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which doesn't factor in this offseason. A lot of them

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really like Hunter Tyson. I've seen a lot of them

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really like Jellen Pickett. And then there's already Oka Julian

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too hard, but I'm just sort of like this team

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isn't built to need a bigger move, but you've now

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to you moving forward. I don't again hate that part

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of their offseason. I'm not gonna get over the Reggie

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with James Harden. When you break win wink agreements in Philly.

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It's Reggie Jackson. He wasn't part of your playoff rotation.

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shocks us and provides like a lot of good backup

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point guard minutes for them next season, and I don't

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hamstrung because of the new CBA, like it's just not

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rising and like the actual other exceptions, but you just

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do think what helps them, I guess is all right, well,

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who were they supposed to turn around and sign, I

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Speaker 2: And so that really warps my perception of this offseason

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because I'm not sure necessarily what else they were supposed

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will giving him a player option, by the way, is

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just that that doesn't seem like, yes, we want to

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give this team the benefit of the doubt, but that's

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not like the smartest use of Like I would have

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preferred them to have brought back Jeff Green, then I

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would have what they did with Reggie Jackson. And the

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other thing here too is just like you're kinda maybe

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he just proves that they're finally going to be married

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to the Zeke Nauji experience next year, let's see, But

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like you kind of punt it on backup center minutes

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again too by bringing like the DeAndre contract whatever, and

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you have Jokic, Like there's still this like ten to

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twelve minutes a game that you could stand to upgrade,

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they didn't even look.

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Speaker 3: At doing that. Yeah, I think the Jackson thing, it's

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a C minus for me. So we're really kind of

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right in the same neighborhood. I think, Well, let me

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ask you, what do you think about the It seems

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like broadly Denver is saying, we got four expensive guys

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and one extremely expensive guy in Jokic, and we got

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to find a way to get some cost control going.

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And so if that means we trade a distant first

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to get three guys that we're gonna sign in these

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rookies to longer deals than these guys would normally get,

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just try to like lock in some lowish numbers on

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guys we hope in a year or two can be

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like at least end of rotation, like guys that actually play,

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because they're just sort of hamstrung financially with their four

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big contracts. Talking about MPJ and Murray and Gordon in

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addition to Jokic, and if you're contending for a title

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like now, that twenty nine first like really doesn't matter.

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So I kind of like some of the thinking that

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went into that complicated trade that I could not get through.

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that makes that makes some sense to me. You're trying

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to find ways to avoid just rocketing into like ultra

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tax you know eventually that all whether that works out

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or not depends almost entirely on just like, are these

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guys any good? Like will one of them pop or

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you know, maybe two of them project as guys that

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you can actually count on in twenty twenty five or

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something like that. The Jackson thing is what just knocks

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it down below average to me, just because like how

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much the player Okay, maybe all to be more specific,

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just the player option. What are we doing? Why do

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why does Reggie Jackson get a player option? Like who

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who was offering you know, two years at ten to

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two five straight? Like nobody. There's just no nobody, So

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that whenever that's the case, I think you said it,

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it's kind of feels a little wink winkie. And speaking

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of I don't I don't really ding them at all

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for losing Bruce Brown because what could they have paid him? Yeah,

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they had early birds, so it's like seven a year,

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and then you're gonna have to hope that you do

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the Nick Batom thing where yeah, come back for one

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opt out and then we can really pay you. And

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they couldn't even have paid him with early bird rights

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when he got in Indy for the one year. No,

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not even close. So like it never again. I think

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I said this when it happened. Never listened to players

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and coaches at the post championship parade when everybody's like,

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Bruce is coming back. No he's not. He was never coming.

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Insane decision for him to come back. I mean, just

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the money he's getting from India is like, how if

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you're Bruce Brown, you're not turning that contract down for

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anything in Indy come back to Denver in a couple

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of years if you want to. So is It's just

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I can't. I can't fault them for losing him.

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Speaker 1: That was just that was part of my grade at all.

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Speaker 2: But it sort of comes down to when you mentioned

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Reggie Jackson, just like just to because I saw some

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people like, well, you just said you don't know what

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they were supposed to do, So would you have rather

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Frankielkina here.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, but I think we know the answer to that.

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Speaker 2: But look like Dennis Smith Junior got the minimum, Yeah,

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Cory Joseph got the minimum. Would you have preferred those

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guys and like they didn't even wait. Reggie Jackson was

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just signed, like almost right away. Would you have preferred

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rather than have him on the two ways, like, hey,

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let's see what Colin Gillespie can give us to what

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this regie? And yeah, so like that's what I'm saying,

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and that's why it was the Reggie Jackson name that

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did it.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't you're I think you are looking

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at it.

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Speaker 2: From a more reasonable perspective on the trade front, where

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I'm just like, Okay, this team, I guess really doesn't

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need to makeup bigger swing, But now they've just removed

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that option from the table where they've decided that not

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like even a mid end swing, like any any trade

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they make is gonna be so marginal, or any someone

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cracking the rotation who makes a meaningful contribution is going

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to be developed in house. And I'm just uncomfortable. You've

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done it a couple of times. It has worked out,

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but it's just it makes me uncomfortable. And so again

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it's really the Reggie Jackson stuff for me, because I

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think you could have went on them even just that

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he's not a point guard.

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Speaker 1: Eric Gordon at the minimum. I would have given him

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this money. It's a hell yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: That's where I land with Denver, our next team, unless

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you have anything else on the Nuggets, Nope. The Minnesota

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Timberwolves did a bunch of stuff relatives and not really

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having a lot of stuff to do. They signed Antey

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Edwards to a five year, two hundred and five million

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dollar max contract with no player options. It can go

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to the thirty percent of the max. It includes a

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fifteen percent trade kicker. They extended nas Reed on a

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three year, forty two million dollar deal that includes a

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player option on the final season. They traded Utah's twenty

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twenty six second and their own twenty twenty eight second

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for number thirty three Leonard Miller.

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Speaker 1: Because they don't have enough bigs.

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Speaker 2: They signed Nikkeil Alexander Walker to a two year nine

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million dollar contract. They signed Shake Milton to a two

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year ten million dollar contract with a non guarantee on

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year two. They signed Troy Brown Junior to a two

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year eight million dollar contract that is non guaranteed in

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year two. And they also, if you care about this,

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signed Luca Garza and number fifty seven jail And Clark

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to two way deals, some just other notable stuff.

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Speaker 1: Jayleen Noel still remains unsigned.

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Speaker 2: They did waive Tory and prints now on the Lakers,

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and we have not heard anything on a you know,

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you can't factor this into their grade at all. No

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Jaden McDaniel's extension talk just now, which leads me to

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believe that Jay McDaniels gonna get cashlock put aid as

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he should. What did you think about what stands out

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to you? Is this this offseason for Minnesota?

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Speaker 3: I liked it a lot. I'll just I gave I

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gave him a B plus for this. I if I

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have like for first of all the good like I

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think I've several times I said, I think Nikhil Alexander Walker,

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it's still like not too late for him to be

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something a little bit he kind of might be, He

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kind of might be and shake Milton two years ten

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million with a non guarantee. I'm really surprised that's all

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it took for him. Troy, I know you like Troy

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Brown Junior. I think again, these these mid tiers, these

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aren't even mid tier deals anymore in the modern uh,

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like you know, pay scale of the NBA. So getting

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those three guys on board with you know, significant flexibility,

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uh in the out years. That's that's great. I think

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let's talk about nas RED because obviously Anthony Edwards just

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deserve to get max, no question, no.

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Speaker 2: Player option to win unless I have that ACO again.

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But no player option. That isn't like yeah, that's a

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big time like Anthony Edwards is.

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Speaker 3: So good. Yeah no, I mean, I'm I'm really surprised

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he didn't get a player option because you would think

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if anybody signing a rookie scale deal had the clout

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to get one, it would it would be him. Like

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if had he come back and said I need it,

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I don't know how. You say you can't, I say no,

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so goo good on them. The NASRI deal three years,

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forty two million, with the player option and the third

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Obviously the positional glut makes this kind of I don't know,

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it's not it doesn't quite rise to the level of

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like head scratching. But the way I would defend it

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is to say it's just asset preservation. I think he's

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he's properly paid at that number, and you can envision

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a team if this is how it goes, eventually surrendering

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value to get him on that contract. I think that's

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totally fine. It just doesn't make sense to me, you know,

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from what's the team on the floor going to look

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like unless this car And I don't think this is

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the case. But one way you could explain is, well,

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if and when the Karl Anthony Towns trade happens, now

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you've got you know, he's not your third center, he's

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your backup center. I don't always love him with Nazrid,

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with Gobert or with Towns, and.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are not good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on the lineups, I like him more as a five,

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which is just generally the case with the guy that

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is center sized. It's just you don't play those guys

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at the four anymore really, So that one, I don't

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know that I could have gotten to an A minus necessarily.

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And again I don't hate the deal, just years and dollars,

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but that one felt weird to me. Do you have

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any like I think you liked the Nasri deal more

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than I did, if I recall, But what's what if

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anything about that? What are your thoughts on that one?

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Speaker 1: So I love it.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to get him at basically mid level money,

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and like there's he does so much on offense that

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I think people don't realize it's he was viewed mostly

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as a floor spacer, and his shooting I think did

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get better as.

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Speaker 1: The season went on.

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Speaker 2: There's like a real floor game and craft to like

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putting the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 1: That's huge, just like because.

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Speaker 2: When you're kind of looking at this team, I think

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they did. They have Kyle Anderson, they have Anthony Edwards,

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they have Karl Anthony Towns even and like you pick

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up Shake Milton, but there's like someone who might like

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he might be in every level scorer, and who are

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the every level scores on this team? Anthony Edwards and

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I guess you can consider Towns in every level scorer.

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Speaker 1: So I have another one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: And I think we have not seen enough data on

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the nas RED plus another big lineups to say by

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far and away that they can't work. And I would

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actually be more hopeful, I think for Towns read than

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maybe Read Gobert. Oh yeah, so the money is just

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and I'll look at it this way too, is now

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he becomes like a better if you decide to move

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on from him. He has more value on this contract

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than he did before.

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Speaker 1: And so I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even have second guessed this at Like I

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just I think it was a maybe he was more

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about it after his injury that end of his season,

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because I was actually shocked at the number I thought

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a team wanted, like, you know, if he'd hit the

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open market, like the Rockets or maybe even the Pistons

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might have come in and with like a really good offer.

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And so I think to get him for this money,

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even if again it's you don't like the glot, but

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do you let someone that value like what was the alternative?

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Speaker 3: Let him walk right right? No? That that I think

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that's right. Let me ask you this before we get

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off the Wolves here, is there a number that Jaden

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McDaniels could sign for that would significantly swing your grade

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up or down? Like, because I think the one hundred

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million dollars, you know, four for one hundred is definitely

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kind of like the thing I've been anchored to.

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Speaker 2: If you've got to be the number that would drag

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the grade down, I think that's really the question.

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Speaker 3: If he gets it, it'll.

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Speaker 1: Be a at.

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Speaker 2: If he's eyes for like twenty million or less, they

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can get an A plus plus plus plus because that

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is absurd.

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Speaker 3: I would I don't think, I just I just I

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don't have an answer. I was just curious, like as

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a thought exercise, like how do you pay overpay Jaden McDaniels.

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00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,799
Is it thirty a year?

480
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,039
Speaker 2: And that's another player It doesn't have like the every

481
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,079
levelness to his game. But that's another player who I

482
00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:51,039
don't know if he'll ever see it.

483
00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: On this team, can do stuff with the ball in

484
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:53,480
his hands.

485
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,519
Speaker 3: Now it's very much projection based for him. I think,

486
00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:57,559
like you, the defense, I think is that we don't

487
00:21:57,559 --> 00:21:59,400
have any more questions about the defense. And if he's

488
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,200
gonna make three at all, I think suddenly you're just well,

489
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,519
now this is a this is.

490
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: Your threaing while you picked up this year and if

491
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,759
the percentage is held, So if it was four for

492
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,480
one twenty, I think.

493
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 3: I don't okay with that.

494
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: I would be two.

495
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:19,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I just think I don't I feel

496
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,440
like his extension, if his signs will end up not

497
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,880
impact if they max him, if they just decide, like

498
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,519
I'm trying to think of the number where it's just

499
00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,880
like and I just don't know what even if they

500
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,200
went four for one, would that would you be like, oh,

501
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:35,920
like whatever, like that's fine.

502
00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:40,799
Speaker 3: I might have some reservations about that one. But yeah, no,

503
00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:43,279
I guess that's the point here is that I think

504
00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:47,319
now if they don't get something done at all, maybe

505
00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:50,039
that's that's a problem. I mean, they don't have to

506
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,400
because they could do it next summer. But but I.

507
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,039
Speaker 2: Think four year max, by the way I think as

508
00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,839
of now would be like four years, one fifty two something.

509
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets it.

510
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: I don't think so either, although the fact it is

511
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,480
taking this long, although like I've guess, I just although

512
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:08,440
although myself I just pioted to really hard. The Wolves

513
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,200
do have like a significant number of really big contracts

514
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,440
on the books, so I can understand some hesitation or

515
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,920
trying to like squeeze a few pennies out if we're

516
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,839
gonna do another one.

517
00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: So Jaden McDaniels and Anthony Edwards' new deals will kick

518
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,079
in next year. So let me give you my grade

519
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,200
with him, which I gave an a minus. The only

520
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,599
thing I didn't like. And I've just I've seen and

521
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,920
heard some people think that Troy Brown Junior is gonna

522
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,160
an upgrade over Torrian Prince.

523
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't see it.

524
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: I think Torrian Prince could have been really important for

525
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,079
the way this team is built right now. And I

526
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,000
understand the finances of it all, like what you ended

527
00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:43,920
up getting Nikhil Alexander Walker and Shake Milton for anyway,

528
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,359
and even what you gave Troy Brown Junior above the minimum,

529
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:49,200
there were like other steps that you could have taken.

530
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,599
I would have wanted to have kept him if I

531
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,799
were then, So that's really the only thing I dged

532
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,680
him before. I think they're and the Leonard Miller acquisitions

533
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,680
is a little bit curious, but I also respect, like, hey,

534
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,200
we identified we didn't have a pick someone we liked.

535
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,799
We're just gonna go get him, Like we didn't have

536
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:04,920
a pick in the top in the top thirty three,

537
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,839
so we're gonna go get him.

538
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: So I do respect to that. But yeah, I.

539
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,799
Speaker 2: Think the question I was gonna throw to you, Jane McDaniels,

540
00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:16,359
Anthony Edwards are on their new deals next year, Kromton

541
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,279
Towns and Rudy.

542
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: Gobert are there.

543
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: What what are the chances I'm gonna set the over

544
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,799
under at point five? One of those four players isn't there?

545
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:26,279
Speaker 3: Is it?

546
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,079
Speaker 1: Could you are you one inclined to go with the

547
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,000
under because it's.

548
00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:30,519
Speaker 2: Like, oh, well, Mike Conley comes off the books and

549
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,119
so like it really isn't there's like the ready made replacement.

550
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:38,039
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's tough. So really it's really it's is

551
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:40,519
Gobert or Town's gone? Is the question?

552
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: Right?

553
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: Like, that's that's what we're getting to. I wish you could.

554
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,920
I wish I could answer this in like January as

555
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,799
opposed to right now, because I think this very much.

556
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: The Wolves played twenty five games, and there are trade

557
00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:53,920
rumors that I'd like, I'd like to see this.

558
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Team for a little while. Frankly, uh, I would say

559
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,039
they'll both be there, But I do think that Gobert

560
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,599
is getting closer to not being such an albatross as

561
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,920
as the years come off. I could although Towns is

562
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,599
in the trade rumors all the time, I guess I

563
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,440
guess if the over under his point five so is

564
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,000
somebody gone, I would take the over. Someone will be

565
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,960
gone and it'll be one of the two bigs. But

566
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
I actually am having a harder time deciding which of

567
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:24,640
the two it'll be.

568
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,039
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go under because I just think they're gonna

569
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:28,440
be a lot better this year.

570
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: But this is gonna be really good too.

571
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we remember.

572
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,079
Speaker 2: When we do the regrades, when I get back from traveling.

573
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,119
That's I think we both might have given I don't remember.

574
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:39,119
We might have given them like a pluses across the

575
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,799
board or something.

576
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,839
Speaker 3: I'm sure I thought that the Gobert trade was like

577
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,480
I defended it. I'm sure I defended it. I can't remember.

578
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:47,799
I would love to hear all my logic on that again.

579
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,400
But would let's do the thunder? You ready to move on? Yeah, okay,

580
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,039
let's see. I've been practicing this one, and it's the

581
00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,640
first bullet point on my summary. They signed Vassilier Metsch

582
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,119
and that is the correct pronunciation because I youtubed it

583
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,920
and I listened to the person correctly pronounced it several

584
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,319
times for three years, like me a lot.

585
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: So it's a Mesitch.

586
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: It's it's like mit Sich is the way it was

587
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,000
phonetically pronounced. But I'm not I'm gonna say, I'm gonna

588
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,759
say mitchge like Michic. Yeah right, Mitzig Mitzig team option

589
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,440
on that three year deal for twenty three point six million. Again,

590
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,880
you have this cleaner. This is this their side of

591
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,599
the Denver trade, getting the twenty twenty nine first for

592
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,319
the least favorable of like seventy million picks, number thirty

593
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,400
seven and a twenty four second. The trade that's easier

594
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,200
to understand is they took on Davas Burton's money from

595
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:43,400
Dallas uh and the number ten pick to take Case

596
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,400
and Wallace and sent the number twelve back to the MAVs.

597
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: UH.

598
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: Then we also have some Patti Mills Shenanigans that he

599
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:52,839
gets routed there for like five seconds, and a multi

600
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,880
team trade that also involves the Rockets and the Grizzlies. Uh.

601
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,240
Patty Mills is not on the Thunder a blank on

602
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,599
the Hawks now, and Rudy Gay has been waived. There's

603
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,079
a future second that ended up with the Thunder, And

604
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,880
ty Ty tell me if this is wrong. Ty Ti

605
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,119
Washington and Uzman Gruba are still technically on the Thunders roster,

606
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,240
but they're like players nineteen and twenty on their current

607
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,799
roster right now. Basically, it might be yeah.

608
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: Because you said they waived Rudy Gay.

609
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: That trade was they basically traded cash for Uzman Gruba.

610
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,480
Tye Ti Washington, Rudy Gay, and I think they got

611
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,960
a second round or Memphis second rounder did.

612
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:30,799
Speaker 3: But they did all that to just add to a

613
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,480
roster like they're gonna just have to cut loose several

614
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,160
guys right like that. You can't. You can't have twenty guys.

615
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,400
That's not allowed. Another speaking of Victor Oladipo for two

616
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,400
seconds and two seconds for cash. They also signed Jack White,

617
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,680
They lost Dario Sarich, and they drafted another Keyante Johnson

618
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,640
at number fifty. So that was our other pick. A

619
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,640
lot of like convoluted stuff, a lot of taking on money,

620
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,960
a lot of moving picks around. I did not like

621
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,000
this offseason for the Thunder, and that's the first time

622
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:03,960
I've said that about them in a really long time.

623
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,400
I am open to the counter argument of what would

624
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,559
you have preferred they do because they just already have

625
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240
a million young players and unless you're going time for

626
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,240
consolidation trade, I don't know what to do. So it's

627
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,039
a deep plus for me and I'll throw it to

628
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:20,960
you with that hanging in the air.

629
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,039
Speaker 2: They this is what's tough because we get into the

630
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,160
criteria of what would we have done and then grading

631
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,759
it knowing the constraints that they've decided to work within,

632
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,160
and so I would have been more aggressive with my

633
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,839
cap space. Now I also read, look, PJ. Washington's still

634
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,640
floating around out there. That was a name I had

635
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:37,880
proposed for them.

636
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,039
Speaker 1: Missing out on PJ.

637
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: Washington doesn't is not my grade that I will reveal shortly.

638
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,279
Is not necessarily necessarily criticizing them for the players they

639
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:48,680
didn't go after, just because I would have.

640
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,559
Speaker 1: I had. I didn't even have higher hopes.

641
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: I just would have went more aggressively because and this

642
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,359
is a compliment, we're gonnat killed.

643
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: I won't cut this up. I'm done.

644
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: I like won't post anything when we do the I

645
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,599
used to post it for every team, but like we

646
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,400
have negative stuff to say. It's just not worth my

647
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,240
listen to the whole podcast, Like it's not worth my

648
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:07,680
mental psyche of these YouTube comments coming up and people

649
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,200
getting mad.

650
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,519
Speaker 3: Can I cut in before you say a negative thing?

651
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,599
And I just gave a D plus. I fucking love

652
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,079
the Thunder, Like I think this team is great. I

653
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,720
love players. Is better than prime Michael Jordan's so of course,

654
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,359
you know, I mean that's from us, that's where we're

655
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,799
starting at. They have like three or four guys that

656
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:24,039
are better than prime Michael Jordan.

657
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: And this is just the off season.

658
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: Like if when we get into over unders, like we're

659
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,759
gonna be so hot and when when when we hope

660
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,000
maybe we'll do it together the look ahead, we're gonna

661
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,720
love the Thunder. I still love the Thunder same, So

662
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,000
let's just throw away the side they were never gonna

663
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:39,920
go after someone in free agency. I still think teams

664
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,480
should do that. More like you fucking make the Lakers

665
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,400
pay more for Austin Reeves. This isn't thunder specific again,

666
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:47,160
does not factor into their grade.

667
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,359
Speaker 1: I it like I need.

668
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,319
Speaker 2: To know how they feel about Kason Wallace in a

669
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:58,440
guard rotation that includes Sga now Vasilier, Is he even

670
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,519
gonna play Josh lou Dort is there? Yes, you can

671
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,599
move some of these guys positionally, And I think we're

672
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:07,720
gonna see there's gonna be collateral damage here where it's

673
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,480
better not be Isaiah Joe, like he should factor in

674
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,720
the garveritation. Is it gonna be ty Ty Washington? You know,

675
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,480
Trey Mann feels like someone who could get bounced here.

676
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,640
So he's still on the roster, right, they didn't bounce

677
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,440
on Yeah, so that's like that's how crowded their roster

678
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:24,920
is right now. But I was like, this is Trey

679
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,640
Man still on this team to take on twenty two

680
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,839
and a half million dollars guaranteed of Burton's to move

681
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,960
up two spots. That's not good asset management, especially when

682
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,119
you saw what like less cap space could get, Like

683
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,000
they got two pretty good seconds just to take on

684
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,720
the expiring deal victor O Ladipo. I would have preferred

685
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:46,839
you could say this, like, well, they already have too

686
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:50,400
many players. The Spurs got like something to take on

687
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,480
Reggie Bullock. That's someone who could have helped them or

688
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,759
even if he was breaking case of emergency. And I

689
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:59,599
know Thunder fans' response has been and I think even

690
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,119
someone I can't remember who covers them for the athletic

691
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,000
one on the low posts and said, well, now they

692
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,960
have like a human trade exception in Davis Berton's and like,

693
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,359
I get it, but that runs counter to if you're

694
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,680
not gonna let me criticize the Thunder for not being

695
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,119
aggressive enough on the free agent market, I'm supposed to

696
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,319
believe that, oh, this is the year they're gonna be

697
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:21,039
aggressive and consolidate on the trade market. So that was

698
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,920
just I don't understand it. I like Cason Wallis as

699
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,440
a prospect. I don't see his future on this team

700
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,440
outside of being like the fourth guard, or maybe it's

701
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,880
the third guard, because you consider Shay or Giddy or

702
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,400
Loudord a wing just because they play so much together.

703
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,119
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I did not love that. I think the.

704
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,039
Speaker 2: Trade with Denver was a home run because now you

705
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,079
control there first basically from twenty twenty nine through two

706
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:43,839
thousand and thirty.

707
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: And the fact that you can't we're.

708
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: Talking about their roster crunch to kind of move some

709
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,960
of these pick commitments back since they traded it was

710
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,799
like a least favorable twenty twenty four first, that's good

711
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:55,079
business by them.

712
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with.

713
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,319
Speaker 2: The Victor Oladipo deal from a pure value perspective. I

714
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,000
still like us Garuba, but it's he's probably just gonna

715
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,839
get cut, right, So what were they doing there? I

716
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,799
went with like, I just went with a flat C

717
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,279
minus for them because I think it was below average.

718
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:14,119
I just I don't it's not even I don't understand it.

719
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,839
They added to some gluts and I don't. I think

720
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:19,519
the biggest thing is they did not get good value

721
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,440
for their cap space this summer, regardless of what you

722
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:23,680
expected them to do.

723
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,759
Speaker 3: All right, I've as you've been talking, I've been thinking

724
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:28,920
about a couple of things. I think I'm gonna move

725
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,519
up from a D plus. I'm gonna join you in

726
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,000
in the C minus territory. And it's gonna be based

727
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:39,240
on a totally speculative belief that maybe Cason Wallace like

728
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,200
is a guy like and and that's that's the reason

729
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,960
they did this more you know, the Breton's dead money

730
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,599
or I don't know how dead that money is, by

731
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:48,039
the way, Like maybe this is a team that does

732
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,440
need shooting, and maybe they can rehab his value and

733
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,039
trade him for more than they when they got Wallace

734
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,599
was like a top five player in his class. And

735
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,960
he would not be the first Kentucky guard to just

736
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,359
get out of Kentucky, arrive in the league and suddenly like,

737
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,599
oh shit, this guy should have been a top you

738
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,480
know whatever pick.

739
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,359
Speaker 2: I might be mistaken too, I don't remember the last

740
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,160
Kentucky guard whereas they came out and they would just

741
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,640
build as like a three and D prospect too.

742
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: No, I so I think, and I try to stay

743
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,799
away from this like, you know, full stop with rookies,

744
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,039
because we just we don't know and I don't care

745
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,039
what you did in college unless you're Tim Duncan or whatever,

746
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,720
and we just have this ridiculous track record to judge

747
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,680
you on. He might. I think there's a there may

748
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,720
be a case to be made that he could be

749
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,839
the kind of guy that justifies this even with the

750
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,440
positional glut, and he just becomes a massive asset for

751
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,599
this team that like maybe Giddy isn't someone they you know,

752
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960
he tops out or he just doesn't fit or you know,

753
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,039
you want you think you can play Jaylen Williams at

754
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:45,440
the three or the four all the time and you

755
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,720
can just fit Wallace in there. I could, I could

756
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,359
see that being worth it, and so you know, that's

757
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,319
not the boldest play. But maybe this is just the

758
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,599
guy that they they knew they had to get and

759
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,279
they did it. So I'm gonna go see minus because

760
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,559
deplus feels a little low, so I'll join you too.

761
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,519
Speaker 2: Didn't Stowe, I'm sorry you're sticking with You're sticking with

762
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,720
the D plus and it's just I think even evaluate

763
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,759
it within how they were going to operate just a

764
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,079
little bit disappointed like C minus is still it's not

765
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,480
a failing grade. So do we want to go to

766
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:15,159
the next team, which is the Portland Trailblazers, who have

767
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,079
I think the most potential to date everything that we're

768
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,719
about to say on this podcast, right, Like, that's the

769
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,639
team that could blow everything up here.

770
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:22,159
Speaker 3: Uh.

771
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: They drafted Scoot Henderson at number three.

772
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,199
Speaker 2: That gets into an interesting discussion where well, well we'll

773
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:28,559
get to it.

774
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: Drafted Chris Murray at number twenty three. Uh.

775
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: Drafted and I'm just listening to this because I really

776
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,719
like him Ryan Rupeer at number forty three and signed

777
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,519
him to a three year, five point three million dollar

778
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,639
deal with a team option on the final season. They

779
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,639
signed Jeremy Grant to a five year, one hundred and

780
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,239
sixty million dollar deal that includes a player option on

781
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,760
the final year, which will be his age thirty four season.

782
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,280
They matched a three year, thirty three point one million

783
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,480
dollar offer on Matisse stible that deal. It includes a

784
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,880
fifteen percent trade kicker he gets to Vito when he

785
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,440
trade for a year, and fifty percent of his annual salary.

786
00:34:58,159 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: Must be paid by October first.

787
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

788
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 2: And they signed John Butler and Ibu Baji two way

789
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,920
contracts and then they wave trendon Watford is the only

790
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,679
other notable thing that I forgot right.

791
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: Nothing else, Oh, yes, I.

792
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: Don't think anything else has happened in Portland.

793
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, the use of Nurkics trade. No, the Damian Lillard

794
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,599
trade rumors certainly factor into this.

795
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

796
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,039
Speaker 2: This is more of a conversation for I guess the Spurs.

797
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,679
But I think what's interesting here is how do you

798
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,800
evaluate their decision to take Scoot Henderson when he's such

799
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,079
the obvious pick at number three. You can't credit them

800
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:34,280
too much when it's Victor Wimenyamalt like the Spurs, you

801
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,360
tank that shouldn't be part of your grade. In Portland's case,

802
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,599
the obvious player. But also given the fact that they

803
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,719
had Damian Lillard on the roster, there is some like

804
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,360
chutzpa here where it's oh, you you had the gall

805
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,079
to take Scoot Henderson, and so I did factor that

806
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:50,000
into my grade.

807
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: I did too, and I this is a b slashing

808
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,880
complete for me because the Dame stuff just looms and

809
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:58,239
you know, depending on what they get for him, could

810
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,719
move the grade one way or the other. So I

811
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,039
don't think you credit them necessarily with all this, in

812
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,559
their infinite wisdom, they plucked Scoot Henderson out of a

813
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,079
draft class where nobody believed he would go. This was

814
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,360
the pick, right, Obviously, you take Scoot there. I think

815
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:17,000
like zooming out. The fact that they took him is

816
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,039
part of a broader plan that I think is the

817
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,719
right plan, which is to move on from Damian Lillard. Right.

818
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,840
I think it's very much the case that had they

819
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,679
picked someplace else where, Scoot was not the guy that

820
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,840
they were able to get. I'm not sure what this

821
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,000
team looks like or what direction they're going, and it

822
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,159
does seem to me like they weren't expecting to be

823
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,920
able to get Henderson. They got him, and that really

824
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,079
changed the dynamic between them and Lillard and their willingness

825
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,599
to you know, not tank hard, but you know, essentially

826
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:48,599
start the rebuild because now we've got our point guard

827
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:50,280
for the next ten or twelve years and we can

828
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,199
move on from the one that we had for the

829
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:56,000
past decade. So that's a hard move to make. I

830
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,440
think they deserve a little bit of credit for making

831
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:02,199
the tough decision to say we're basically pivoting now. The

832
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,119
problem with that and the reason this Great isn't higher

833
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,199
is I hate the Jeremy Grant deal. I just don't

834
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,559
understand how he was able to get Like where was

835
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,400
the bigger offer coming from. I'm gonna say that a

836
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,159
lot with with deals like this, he doesn't I don't

837
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,599
know that he's a positive value asset at that number.

838
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:24,320
I don't know that he is someone that like necessarily

839
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,760
like if you're bringing on Jeremy Grant, Jeremy Grant's a

840
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,199
good player. I think the best version of Jeremy Grant

841
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,159
is like a fourth or fifth option that's mostly there

842
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,039
to defend, and he can create shots if you need

843
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,480
him to. He's not the Pistons Grant or even last

844
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,800
year's Portland Grant, where he's got a pretty significant offensive responsibility.

845
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,039
Just that is not my favorite version of him. And

846
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,760
he's now being paid like that's the floor version. Like

847
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,480
this guy is your first or second option essentially if

848
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400
you're acquiring him as another team. So I don't like

849
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,039
that that knocks the Great down. But big picture, just

850
00:37:55,159 --> 00:38:00,719
like the the overall idea of we're ready to pivot,

851
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,199
we're kind of ending the Dame era, we're starting the

852
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,239
Scoot era, and it's messy and we don't know what

853
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,599
they're gonna get. But I just like the idea of

854
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,079
embracing like that it's time. So that's where I end

855
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:13,519
up with the B.

856
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, this might be one of our biggest divergences.

857
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,840
I go with a C minus here because they deserve Yes,

858
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,000
they made the scoot pick knowing Damian Lowd's on the roster,

859
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,079
but to not have a better hold on this situation

860
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,119
and allow your vision to be so shaped by where

861
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,199
you're landing in the lottery order when you already had

862
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,400
Shade Sharp, you were going through Jeremy Grant's contract year

863
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,960
even just the matist Thibel contract. It's like you now

864
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,519
have yourself. I don't the upfront payment, maybe they don't

865
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,599
care about, but like, you couldn't have negotiated something that

866
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,719
would have avoided this trade kicker or put you in

867
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,000
a situation where now you give him veto power for

868
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,159
one year that well, they're.

869
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: Just matching that offer sheet. Those are all Dallas's terms

870
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,119
on Tyble's offers.

871
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: So that's my point is like, why couldn't the numbers

872
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,039
not big enough for me to say, well, why weren't

873
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,960
you negotiating more aggressively yourselves with these bible First, Yeah,

874
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,559
that feels like a mini fail there, and so I

875
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,599
do give them credit for taking Scout Henderson, and it's

876
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,239
an incomplete as well, just we don't know until the

877
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,119
Dame trade could totally flip this on its head, Like

878
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:11,719
you need to have a better hold on the Damian

879
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Lillard situation because now he's requested or demanded a trade

880
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,840
to this one team, which has held up your entire operation.

881
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,440
Because he's only he won't hurt the development of your player.

882
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,400
He's not going to be a malcontent that goes to

883
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,599
China and talks to kids about how much the front

884
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:26,920
office is lying.

885
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: Sack sh right.

886
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: So at least I don't think imagine if that's like that,

887
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,400
he's like looking at hard.

888
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, this is what I want to be.

889
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: So but you needed to have a better grasp of

890
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,039
this situation, and we all saw this coming from a

891
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,119
mile away. People have been too thirsty for a Dame

892
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,559
trade for too long. You needed to have a better

893
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,280
hold on your vision. There's a point where it's flexibility

894
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,480
and there's a point where it's just utter ambiguity, if

895
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:54,119
not in competence, I think this was more ambiguity. I

896
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,760
don't think the Blazers are incompetent. The fact that they

897
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,840
didn't want to make the decision themselves, like is just

898
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:03,039
I have to dig them for that. I could even

899
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,039
probably be talked into a d To be honest, I

900
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:06,880
think they could move to Jeremy Grant deal. But you

901
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,800
know what, like you put yourself in a position where

902
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,559
you didn't really have a choice other than to give

903
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,559
him this contract because you didn't have a good hold

904
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,079
on your vision because you tied it and that's assuming

905
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:18,119
you did. You tied it to Well, let's see where

906
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:19,480
we land in the draft, and then we have to

907
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,800
wait and see what the Charlotte Hornets do. No, Like

908
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,239
you need to have like a more firmer vision in place.

909
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,840
And there was clearly a larger like disconnect between them

910
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,199
and Dame based off even if that was their plan

911
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,320
to just wait and see what happens with the draft,

912
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:35,320
he didn't think that was their plan.

913
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, or or he he may have known that was

914
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,800
the plan and was not on board, like which which

915
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,239
you can definite defend him.

916
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think we'll see what the package

917
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,159
ends up being from Miami or if another team gets involved,

918
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:48,559
and that could certainly sway their grade.

919
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: This is not a failing grade, but they.

920
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: Needed to have a better hold of not just the

921
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,519
Dame situation and their vision and this offseason, despite again

922
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,360
making the scoop pick, took some level of courage because

923
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,360
I think Amen Thompson or a sar Thompson reasonably could

924
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,159
have gone number three. I don't like, in my head,

925
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,000
Scoot Henderson is going to be way better than those guys.

926
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: I want to make that clear.

927
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: If you're a team that's actually married to the now,

928
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,199
you don't see a trade on the table that you want.

929
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,599
Could they have just moved down and said, hey, we'll

930
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,000
go down to five and take usar Thompson or move

931
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:20,679
down to four for Amen, because the Rockets I think

932
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,239
would have wanted screwed or done a trade with the Pelicans,

933
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:26,239
like could we have gotten Zion? We've gotten Ingram who knows.

934
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,320
So I give them a lot of credit for that,

935
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,480
but it just never should have been so tied to well,

936
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:33,480
let's see like what kind of happens where we land?

937
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think I think that's all fair. I

938
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,639
think I'm probably giving them too much credit for just

939
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,039
kind of they're on the track that I like now,

940
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,960
even though it's sort of it's not quite by accident,

941
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000
but they kind of just ended up in this position

942
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:48,400
without enough foresight.

943
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: And I'm also probably I'm definitely daning them harder because

944
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,480
I don't think you did, just like for the matist

945
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:55,400
Taible stuff, where it's that's a you match that deal.

946
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: I want to make that clear.

947
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: But this is also a deal that you could have

948
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,800
negotiated with more favorable I fully believe before.

949
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:03,519
Speaker 1: He went out and got an offer that now limited you.

950
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right now, they're I mean, an interesting team

951
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,440
and ultimately incomplete because the biggest move is undone. So

952
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,400
we should hit the Jazz next, right, we should?

953
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: All right, I feel you want to skip them. I

954
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,559
don't think anyone we'll just will conclude.

955
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: I don't think the Jazz fans will want us to

956
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,159
skip him, because I assume you're going to have good

957
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,079
things to say about them, like I will start with

958
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:27,559
the draft. Taylor Hendricks at nine, Yeah, no opinion there,

959
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,199
Keante George at sixteen, who also yes, really good and

960
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,639
price sends about twenty eight. Yeh got John Collins for

961
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,880
Rudy Gay and a twenty twenty six second via the

962
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,039
Grizzlies renegotiated and extended Jordan Clarkson's deal, So now it

963
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,280
is essentially three years around fifty one point nine million.

964
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,320
I think it can go up a little bit. I

965
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,039
don't know if you have that or not signed. Omer

966
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,400
you're at seven for two years about five and a

967
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,480
half million, with a partial guarantee on the second I

968
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:57,199
didn't really amount to anything, but I do want to

969
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,559
credit them for a sneaky Paul Reid offer sheet that

970
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,760
had all these contingencies in it that were clearly designed

971
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,559
to make him less palatable if he stayed with the Sixers,

972
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,280
and the Sixers then did match it.

973
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: Three years, designed like social media to run rampant with

974
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,800
like just the jokes we saw about Joel.

975
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so great.

976
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,679
Speaker 3: I just you know, it's kind of a dick move, honestly,

977
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,840
because now I think like some of these offer sheets

978
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,280
are going to start getting even more calculatedly funitive for

979
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:25,440
the retaining team.

980
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: But it was.

981
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I respect it. It was fun Uh

982
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,639
so uh that's I mean, I think that's pretty much

983
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:35,519
it for the Jazz. I didn't you you've got it here,

984
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,639
UH signed Joey Hazer and Johnny Juzang to two way contracts, A.

985
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,679
Speaker 1: Wave and carry.

986
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: So I failed the Jazz on this great, great offseason, right,

987
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,760
Like I almost have no notes.

988
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, what is there anything

989
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,440
that you didn't like about their off season? I think

990
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,440
the only thing that you can say is they took

991
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,679
on a lot of John Collins and could that cap

992
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,599
space if could they have been more rest of with that,

993
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,360
because we're gonna compliment them for the Paul Reed contract,

994
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,880
but like they could have done some fun stuff with

995
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,440
bigger name free agents then, like they would have been

996
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,920
an interesting Austin Reeves team.

997
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,079
Speaker 1: I just can't.

998
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,559
Speaker 2: I still believe in John Collins. So I'm just all bored,

999
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,880
Like that's the value for John Collins. There is sort

1000
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,840
of like a weird vision for this team now in

1001
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,039
the front court where we know Lowry Marketing can play

1002
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,840
the three, but you have Taylor Hendrix and Walker Kessler

1003
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,719
and now John Collins into that fold. So you do

1004
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,679
have these four like not big, but you have these

1005
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,079
three forwards, three guys who should all be playing a

1006
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,920
lot at power forward. Still like Lowry Markinen is still

1007
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,559
going to be the biggest of mismatches when he gets

1008
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,719
to play the the four offensively anyway, So throwing that

1009
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,920
into the folds a little bit weird.

1010
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: And I will say, did you have it? You didn't

1011
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:44,840
have any issue.

1012
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: I could see some people like already not liking the

1013
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:48,960
Jordan Clarkson renegotiation ext tent.

1014
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: I thought that was smart.

1015
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: I think it was. I bumped on it initially just

1016
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,639
because like, I think Clarkson's fairly overrated, but he kind

1017
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:59,719
of mad he matters to this team, and it's not

1018
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,679
like they add, you know, added some ridiculous number to it,

1019
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,320
like and really it's structured in a weird way, right,

1020
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,280
so where he gets basically, you know, twenty three and

1021
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,119
a half million next year, but then it drops to

1022
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,679
like fourteen in the in the out years, right, So

1023
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,559
it's like it's whether you like, whether you love Jordan

1024
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:20,440
Clarkson or you think he's a little overrated like I do.

1025
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,159
That's that's just like good business because because he's at

1026
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,320
fourteen million bucks a year, you know, next not this season,

1027
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,199
but next and the one after, Like that's totally fine.

1028
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,280
That's that's that's below starter level money by a significant amount.

1029
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,559
And he's at the very least like can start for

1030
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:37,880
you and it will score points. Like right, that's that's

1031
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,199
the Jordan Clarkson experience.

1032
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:42,199
Speaker 2: And he improved slightly as a passer last year too,

1033
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:43,800
so to do that kind of like as late. A

1034
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,239
lot of that I think was just the spacing and

1035
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,760
also kind of the lack of other options. But if

1036
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,159
you so like, the projections of what he's gonna be worth,

1037
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,360
the salary cap in the final two years are nine

1038
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,880
point nine percent at nine point one percent, yeah, nort

1039
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,880
And look, maybe it makes him like I think that

1040
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,519
that was just a home run. I think you look

1041
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,760
at this roster and say, there's still kind of light

1042
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,440
on capslock wings and I really like Keantay George, who

1043
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,960
I knew very little about.

1044
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,159
Speaker 1: Like before they got him, and.

1045
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: Maybe he kind of turns into your primary playmaker. But

1046
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,719
you don't have that right now either, And so now

1047
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,599
you've brought in some other kind of just like, oh,

1048
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,599
like John Conn's a below average passer for his position,

1049
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,039
and like, well Walker Kessler or Larry Market and make

1050
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,480
improvements there. What it was Taylor HENDRICKX looks like, you know,

1051
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,400
he's not I didn't really love jars Walker, but he's

1052
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,559
the better passer than Taylor Hendrix, but I love Taeler Hendricks.

1053
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,800
I think this was probably not the perfect offseason, and

1054
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,880
so I just give them a flat a because there's

1055
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,239
a I think a lot of not a lot of,

1056
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,719
but there are just some like functional voids that could

1057
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,199
they have looked at addressing a little bit more cleanly.

1058
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:47,239
You're in the infancy of a rebuild, and I think

1059
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,800
the fact that they didn't kind of try to accelerate

1060
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,559
the process or enter this offseason.

1061
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: Thinking about need specifically, like.

1062
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of these players they need, like John Collins

1063
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,599
is a pure value play, that's not a need when

1064
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,239
you look at when you look at the roster, and

1065
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,039
so I give them a lot of credit for what

1066
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:04,920
they did, and just really quickly on the Paul Reid contract.

1067
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,159
I want to see players have so little like agency

1068
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,559
and restricted free agency, the fact that these deals might

1069
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,559
be available to them, and I like the I like

1070
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:15,559
the idea of these gamesmanship. I would just say I

1071
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,000
would have loved to have seen Utah been a little

1072
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,400
bit more aggressive with like the John Collins trade feels

1073
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,800
like it might have been available later on as well too.

1074
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,440
It's like, could you've just tried and waited out your

1075
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,599
cat space a bit again? I can't dig them like

1076
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:28,079
for anything he or they get an A.

1077
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's an A minus for me. And

1078
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:33,960
and you mentioned, you know Collins is the deal is,

1079
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:36,119
you know, you got a couple more years on that,

1080
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,039
and it's a number that's not great if he's gonna

1081
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:42,760
be Atlanta John Collins from last year. But I think

1082
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,320
it's possible and maybe even likely that the Jazz kind

1083
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,400
of look around and like, what's the last free agent

1084
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,639
we really signed? What does this cap space even mean?

1085
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,639
Let's fill it with John Collins. We've got all these

1086
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:53,760
first if so now we've got like a twenty five

1087
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,639
twenty six million dollars salary that we can throw in

1088
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:58,320
there with first and if we want to trade for

1089
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,960
somebody like that's that's option now, you know, I think

1090
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,760
that's the most favorable way to frame the Collins acquisition

1091
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:07,800
alongside the fact that it's just like they gave up

1092
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,840
nothing to get to get him. So yeah, it's an

1093
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,880
A minus. We didn't even talk about Hendrick, so I

1094
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,079
know you love I like him a.

1095
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,079
Speaker 2: Lot y just like I cannot wait to see him

1096
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:17,400
in Kessler and market and play again.

1097
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,559
Speaker 1: Like, I think that's the front court.

1098
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: And I think also the Hendrix Collins marketing combination is

1099
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,159
interesting because I think it gives you a way to

1100
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,320
navigate the defensive minutes while also being extremely versatile on offense,

1101
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,199
like that you could play five out with those three.

1102
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,840
And also you made a good point about Collins, there's

1103
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,880
more risk. This is not what Detroit did. Where a

1104
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:36,679
spoiler alert.

1105
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Laz Jackson.

1106
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: We did the Detroit Pistons lookhead, which will go live

1107
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:44,079
I think next week. Sometime was shocked at how much we.

1108
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:45,159
Speaker 1: Love the Pistons offseason.

1109
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: Really We've had some YouTube commenters that were shocked as well.

1110
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,639
I was, like, apparently we said some bad things about

1111
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,000
them last year, but they did sign Marvin Bagley for

1112
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:54,880
three guaranteed years, so they deserved it.

1113
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: I can say some bad things about that right now,

1114
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,000
I'd love to.

1115
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: But like it did roll over their flexibility per se

1116
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,239
because John Collins, like that deal goes out for three

1117
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,719
more years, and like that's the risk. And if you

1118
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,880
don't love it, especially when you have Hendrix and Kessler

1119
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,840
market and I get it, But just from a pure

1120
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,480
value play of what John Collins was two years ago,

1121
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,239
and we've just when's the last time we saw someone

1122
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,639
who's good even if you didn't think he was a

1123
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:19,800
fringe All star where his team watched him be good

1124
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,920
in a certain amount of way and then just kept

1125
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,199
saying like, no, we're gonna continue to take away from him,

1126
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,079
make his life harder, like repeatably.

1127
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that just tanked his value and now you

1128
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,719
get get him for Rudy Gay in a future second.

1129
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,840
So congratulations, Jazz Grant.

1130
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: Are you able to take us through our first team

1131
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:36,880
of the Pacific Division?

1132
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: Yes, this is the Golden State Warriors price in my

1133
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,440
Homer bias now, because that's how it's gonna go. The

1134
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,840
big move traded Jordan Poole, Patrick Baldwin junior, Ryan Rawlins,

1135
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,360
a top twenty protected twenty thirty first rounder, hilarious great

1136
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
pick to trade, and a twenty twenty seven second to

1137
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,519
the Wizards for Chris Paul Draymond Green is back on

1138
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,639
a four year, hundred million dollars contract. Dark Rio Sarch

1139
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,119
and Corey Joseph are on board at the minimum. The

1140
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:07,840
Warriors drafted Brandon Pajemski at number nineteen and Trace Jackson

1141
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,320
Davis at number fifty seven. Jackson Davis is represented by

1142
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Mike Dunlevy, the Golden State Warriors new top executive's brother.

1143
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,639
So that's interesting. Dunlevy replaces Bob Myers, who I don't

1144
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,360
know how much credit you give executives for team success,

1145
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,880
but he I think fairly.

1146
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: Deserves a lot of ESPN Bob Myers right, Bob.

1147
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:32,639
Speaker 3: Myers newly employed, newly re employed at ESPN. So dun

1148
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,920
Levy and Bob Myers out. It still seems like it's

1149
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,199
going to be kind of a collective decision making body.

1150
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,159
Dante de Vincenzo's gone signed with the NIXT, Tijerome gone

1151
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:46,039
signed with the Cavs. Jamichael Green, Andrea Gudala Anthony Lamb.

1152
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:49,800
As far as I know, all three remain unsigned. I

1153
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,679
think that's still the case. A Goodoala may retire. I

1154
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,440
don't know if that's been officially stated yet, but I

1155
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,039
think that's the way things are pointing. Quite a quite

1156
00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:59,599
a bit of activity online and some you know, a

1157
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:04,239
little bit everything with interesting draft picks, big trade, significant

1158
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,320
re signing that seems a little bit uncertain. As far

1159
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,880
as Green goes. All told, I think this team is

1160
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,920
significantly better. This is a B plus for me. I

1161
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,480
am concerned about the Meyers void and the Chris Paul fit.

1162
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,000
We can talk about any of that stuff, but B

1163
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:25,400
plus for me. Where are you on this this Warriors offseason?

1164
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty high in it too, And you're a bad

1165
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:28,199
Warriors fan.

1166
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: I think if you support like the Chris Paul acquisition,

1167
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,559
and that's just like they gave up that if that

1168
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:36,880
first rounder conveys, I know you're saying, hey, you just

1169
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,320
signed pool to this extension, you turn around and then

1170
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,480
have to give up a first round pick to get him. Uh,

1171
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,440
it's like it's a fake for if you convey it

1172
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:48,039
like something has gone incredibly right for you down the line,

1173
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,199
and I think.

1174
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,079
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. I'm just everything kind of.

1175
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,559
Speaker 2: I think they played the Draymond Green extension right clearly

1176
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,199
from by not giving him one to end up at

1177
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,679
four years, one hundred millions perfectly fine, there's.

1178
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: A trade kicker, it escalates.

1179
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,559
Speaker 2: That's like some stuff too consider But I think that

1180
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,920
that deal is I don't think it's a home I

1181
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,719
think it's just mark. I think it's what Draymond Green

1182
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,320
could be worth over the next four years, which.

1183
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: Is absolutely perfect. It's just the question of how do

1184
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,199
you view the Paul deal.

1185
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: If you believed in Jordan Poole, then you're not gonna

1186
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,360
like the Paul deal. I did not believe in Jordan Poole,

1187
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,880
and I think getting out of that contract without having

1188
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,559
to give up a top nineteen first rounder is a

1189
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,880
big deal because Chris Paul can still play, and just

1190
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,360
my question. And I think it does impact how you

1191
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,800
view the off season unless you're like, oh, I haven't

1192
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,480
they signed Clay to an extension.

1193
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: Yet, which I'm just not. You know, if.

1194
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: They sign him to an extension is probably because he's

1195
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,159
taking like massive pay cuts. I think they're gonna play

1196
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,760
it like they did Green Anyway, I like it. I

1197
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,320
really think Golden State, even dating back to the Kevin

1198
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,519
Durant erar, I had put this in one of my articles,

1199
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:48,840
they have sucked on offense whenever Steph Curry is off

1200
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,880
the floor. There were certain lineups that had Kevin Durant

1201
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,960
without Curry that worked. I want to make that clear.

1202
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,400
Chris Paul is a million years old. But if you're

1203
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,760
willing to run, pick and roll, slow things down in

1204
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,719
the half court a little bit more, he can steer

1205
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,280
you to a league average offense without Steph Curry on

1206
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,599
the floor. So my two questions are, just are they

1207
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,360
gonna let him play pick and roll with? Okay, who

1208
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,559
is it Draymond? Is it Jonathan Kaminga? It's probably not

1209
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:15,039
Dario Sharich, So that's a question. And then what does

1210
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:17,880
it look like during the Steph and Chris Paul minutes?

1211
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,360
Is that gonna be what you potentially close with? Or no,

1212
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,280
you're gonna go with the dual big and Kevon Looney

1213
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,079
and Draymond Green without having the answers. I still think

1214
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,360
it was a very fair and measured by the way

1215
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,159
gamble to make, and so I went with an A

1216
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:33,760
minus here.

1217
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I think those are those are the questions to ask,

1218
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,639
and it really you could even distill it further to

1219
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:42,440
say what role is Chris Paul willing to play? I

1220
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,639
think because I do think I don't really have any

1221
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,920
doubt that Steve Kerr will run pick and roll with

1222
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,039
Chris Paul. Like if you have Chris Paul, like, what

1223
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:51,599
else are you doing? Right? You put the ball on

1224
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:55,280
a sad The same thing with James Wiseman, well right,

1225
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,000
except this this time there's the guy who's making the decisions,

1226
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,800
can can handle it. I think basically, if the theory

1227
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,599
is that Chris Paul is willing to come off the

1228
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,800
bench and is willing to go like god knows how

1229
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,360
long between getting to close, because I don't think he

1230
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,079
makes a lot of sense against many teams as a closer.

1231
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,440
If he's willing to just embrace that role, this should

1232
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,199
work because Paul is going to I mean, the Warriors

1233
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:25,519
would have killed to be break even in the non

1234
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:28,599
step minutes, you know, for years and years and years,

1235
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,840
and I think it's it's not a big ask to

1236
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,559
have Chris Paul and some combination of reserves and starters

1237
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,800
play break even basketball for like, you know, the beginning

1238
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,800
of the second quarter and the beginning of the fourth,

1239
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,559
which you know is when Steph typically rests. That has

1240
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,360
changed some over the years, But that's the idea and

1241
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,800
the theory of this team. Just it makes much more

1242
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,480
sense without Pool because now all of your biggest problems

1243
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,039
turnovers being a huge one, late game decision making being another.

1244
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,079
If you've got Paul to sort of mitigate that as

1245
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:02,719
long as he's willing to play the role, that I

1246
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,119
think makes the most sense for the team. You know,

1247
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,320
maybe this should be an as for me, I just

1248
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:09,440
the Meyers thing.

1249
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how to do that. It's like

1250
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:12,760
I don't need there are enough money to offer him,

1251
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,599
and they didn't. It doesn't sound like it.

1252
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: It seems like he was just kind of burnt, which

1253
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:19,119
if you've been with this team over the years, like

1254
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,679
there have been some like forny situations, like it's been

1255
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,480
hard to deal with. So I don't begrudge him that

1256
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,440
at all. I just wonder you never know, you never

1257
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,960
know how much elite executive matters, especially in a front office.

1258
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,719
That's like getting input from the you know, prize itself

1259
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,960
on collaborative decision making. You don't know what one guy

1260
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,320
really means. And the fact that they got the green

1261
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,199
deal done without Meyers really being super involved, it seemed

1262
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,719
like that's that's a positive.

1263
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,079
Speaker 2: I think.

1264
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I think I think if any if

1265
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,079
I were moving this grade, i'd move it up. It

1266
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,880
feels like B plus is probably maybe a bit of

1267
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,800
an under sell, but there are there are uncertainties, I

1268
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,920
guess is where i'd leave.

1269
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:00,519
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's fine.

1270
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 2: And also I also waited like it's clear that Chris

1271
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,519
Paul is a more infury attractive human trade exception than

1272
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,519
Jordan Poole. So if the Wars really wanted to make

1273
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,159
a bigger swing and look at moving Moody and Kaminger

1274
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,840
or some of the picks, that they can still move

1275
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:15,719
later in the season when they have a better idea

1276
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,679
of who they are or who's available. I think that

1277
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,960
Chris Paul's salary and his contract, the way it's set up,

1278
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,920
makes it easier to do that, which absolutely matters. Did

1279
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,639
you have any thoughts on the Brandon the Pods pick.

1280
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,199
Speaker 3: Well, he couldn't shoot it at all in summer League.

1281
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:32,679
I don't know how much weight you put into that,

1282
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,000
because he did shoot it fine in college. I just

1283
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:40,079
as a as a departure from let's take some shots

1284
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:43,119
on really good athletes, you know Wiseman Kaminga, Moody's not

1285
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,840
quite the same, or you know, really highly regarded high

1286
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,920
school prospects like Patrick Baldwin Junior was a ridiculously highly

1287
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:53,280
rated high school prospect, got hurt, flamed out. I think

1288
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,280
he still may be a decent NBA player because he

1289
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,119
can shoot it. Pa Jimski is like the complete opposite

1290
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,519
where He's kind of someone that just figures out how

1291
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:03,880
to win, makes the right passes, like that kind of thing.

1292
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,280
If he can't score, you know, either in the lane

1293
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,559
with his floaters or make open shots, then I don't

1294
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,639
know how much he helps. But he is like I

1295
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,159
can understand, and I can understand how the Warriors would

1296
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:20,039
justify a player like him who has like IQ and

1297
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,000
understands how to you know, all the intangible stuff. Right.

1298
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:27,000
I wouldn't count on him to help, you know, almost

1299
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,280
at all as a rookie, just because one he's a rookie,

1300
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,239
and two I think athletically he might have some trouble, uh,

1301
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:37,119
just kind of adjusting. But yeah, I like the I

1302
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:38,800
mean he went to Santa Clara. I feel like that

1303
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,920
should we should have started with that disclaimer, so I.

1304
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: Listeners don't know that is Grant's Alba Mada.

1305
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: So I favor him. I support him. I mean, he

1306
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,280
went to I can't think of anyone other than Jayalen

1307
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,679
Williams that went there, so, you know, other than like

1308
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:55,400
one of my five favorite players ever. So yeah, I

1309
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:58,119
think I wouldn't count on him, but I like the pick.

1310
00:57:58,159 --> 00:57:59,800
In theory, I guess i'd put it that way.

1311
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about him to care or not.

1312
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,639
I just don't think there was no one drafted after him.

1313
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:06,920
I'm like, oh, like fuck, Like the Warrior should have

1314
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,559
went that direct.

1315
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean Cam Whitmore went right after him. That's that

1316
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,280
would be.

1317
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,239
Speaker 1: That would be a very.

1318
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: Just traded Jordan Poole. And now we're gonna like do

1319
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,639
the Cam Whitmore experience here. So and we're not sure

1320
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:18,960
about Jonathan KAMINGI yet.

1321
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,039
Speaker 3: I mean it's he's still ridiculous potential, but now we're

1322
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:24,320
getting a little deep into the career and it hasn't

1323
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,880
happened yet. So yeah, I get it. Are you you

1324
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,679
want to do the Clippers?

1325
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on to.

1326
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,719
Speaker 2: The Clippers, who did a shit ton of nothing. So

1327
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,599
they waived Eric Gordon and it saved.

1328
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: Them nine figures in their tax bill.

1329
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: They resign Russell Westbrook to a two year deal using

1330
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,280
non bird rights with a player option for twenty four

1331
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,920
to twenty five. They resigned Mason Plumley to a one year,

1332
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,480
five million dollar deal. They drafted Kobe Brown at number thirty.

1333
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:49,840
They drafted Jordan Miller at number forty eight and signed

1334
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,679
him to a two way contract. And they signed Musa

1335
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:56,360
Diabete to a two way contract as well. The things

1336
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,480
that are kind of hanging over this team that I think,

1337
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,960
unless you I've missed a thing already is the James

1338
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,159
Harden trade rumors he only wants to go there. The

1339
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,480
Clippers apparently don't want the inclue Terrence Man and then

1340
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,840
both Kawhi and Paul George are extension eligible. I don't

1341
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,920
know where you ended up as a grade. I'm actually

1342
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,719
giving them a higher one than I would have if

1343
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,199
they extended these guys because I respect just not defaulting

1344
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:20,559
to they just haven't played enough together like they're there.

1345
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,079
Speaker 1: There's a discussion to.

1346
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:25,039
Speaker 2: Be had about the way we talk about load management

1347
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,559
and injuries with the Clippers, because whenever we talk about

1348
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,079
it with other players, it does feel like, look, the

1349
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:33,000
teams are making this decision, but when it's Kawhi and PG,

1350
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,760
it's always framed almost as if they're the ones that

1351
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,239
are actively deciding not to play, which feels a little egregious.

1352
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:42,719
But then I'm like, is this a smoke fire situation?

1353
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,840
So I think it's good they didn't sign them to

1354
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,079
an EXTENSI yet unless they were completely favorable team terms,

1355
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:50,239
because they just don't know that these guys are going

1356
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,119
to be available together when it matters most.

1357
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I would push back. I think

1358
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,840
we do know whether they're gonna they are they will

1359
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,159
not because they just haven't been. So yeah, No, we've

1360
01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:05,159
been doing this too long together, I think, or I

1361
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:08,440
have been. We're you know, guilty of group think. My

1362
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,519
grade migrade is a C plus, which is not like

1363
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,519
through the roof or anything. But it would be lower

1364
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:16,119
if they had max extended either of those guys just

1365
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:19,840
because you can't in good conscience commit whatever it would be,

1366
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,039
you know, four more years or even you know, three

1367
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:26,079
plus one or whatever at ridiculous rates for guys that

1368
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,239
just like they just don't play. You just can't. You

1369
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,360
can't do it. So and honestly, I was gonna ask you,

1370
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:34,719
is your grade higher or lower if Harden is a

1371
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,480
part of this team. I mean, it depends on the package.

1372
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,679
Speaker 2: But you know, because of what they could give up,

1373
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:42,159
is they're really a bad like if they're trading Paul George,

1374
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:43,880
we can get into it, but is there a bad

1375
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,880
James Harden package that they that they could wind up giving.

1376
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:50,719
Speaker 3: I mean, probably not. It would be more based on

1377
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:56,039
the idea that just over the last several years, James

1378
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:58,280
Harden has just kind of left places worse than he

1379
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,719
found them. So you know, we're not We've talked about

1380
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:03,639
this with Kyrie a lot too. It's just like, do

1381
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:06,840
you want to be in the James Harden business for

1382
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,920
any reason? And now that's like a real question I think.

1383
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:12,679
I mean, James harm is really good last year. I mean, offensively,

1384
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:16,480
he had a very good season. I just he's to

1385
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,800
that point now where for me, it's almost like the

1386
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,719
circumstances have to be really specific and well tailored for

1387
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,000
me to even entertain the idea of him being on

1388
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:28,800
my team because of what that means. Like maybe it's

1389
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,239
different because you have Kawhi and you have Paul George,

1390
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,239
but you know you had Joel and Harden wants to

1391
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:36,519
play a certain way. You know you're gonna get certain

1392
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:38,320
things from him. You know you're definitely not gonna get

1393
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,719
certain things from him. And it's not like he can

1394
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,679
transition gracefully into a smaller He's like the least scalable

1395
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:46,320
guy in some senses.

1396
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:49,079
Speaker 1: I think we've he might.

1397
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: Be the least scalable player in the League, not to

1398
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,920
say he doesn't. The Sixers were great with him, the

1399
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,280
Nets were great with him, the Rockets were great with him.

1400
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,880
But like we've yet to see him. Joel Embie's probably

1401
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,800
the closest he's come to taking step back, and that

1402
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,320
was still more your turn, my turn stuff than Yes,

1403
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,199
I know he up his catch and shoot percentage a

1404
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:08,400
little bit, but this is not someone who's proven that

1405
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,079
they can play off the ball. It's hun or is

1406
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:13,000
necessarily willing to do that. I just they need to

1407
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,199
play making. I'm concerned with how slow they would play,

1408
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:18,480
but they have Russ for that, and look, Terrence Man

1409
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,760
in Jack's pace. They don't use him enough as it is,

1410
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,840
And so like that you have to give up. I'm

1411
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,079
just doing it. I will say, is it you don't?

1412
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,480
You still make the trade, but I guess like Russ

1413
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,920
and James Harden are still cool.

1414
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:32,719
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean the fact that like that's like

1415
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,239
fourth or fifth down the list of questions you have,

1416
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,719
you know, and that's a significant one says a lot

1417
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,679
about kind of the shit that you're in for if

1418
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:44,639
you put this player on this team. I think I

1419
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,440
think I do it too, just because what is it

1420
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:48,760
ultimately gonna. It's like Terrence Mann is the deal breaker.

1421
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,599
We both like him a lot, but really like you

1422
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,679
could you know again, I was talking about the specific

1423
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:57,400
circumstances with respect to Harden. This is these are kind

1424
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,480
of the circumstances where the idea would be lighten the

1425
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:04,639
load on Kawhi and Paul George and having two other,

1426
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,639
you know, really established playmaking wings just that can both

1427
01:03:09,639 --> 01:03:13,280
defend like that. Maybe this is pretty close to like

1428
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,360
how you would want your situation to be to accommodate James.

1429
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,719
Harden doesn't answer any of the playoff questions, and it

1430
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,119
doesn't answer any of the durability questions, which he also

1431
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:23,760
has not to the degree of the other two.

1432
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,519
Speaker 1: Between the three of them, it's like, oh, we'll get

1433
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:28,199
He's a rock. Of them will be available in the playoffs. Right.

1434
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: There's also something uniquely terrifying about all three of those

1435
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,440
guys just heading to free agency in the same offseason.

1436
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: Probably well too.

1437
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,159
Speaker 3: I was thinking from the coaches perspective, having to deal

1438
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:41,199
with like the just alpha's all over the place. You

1439
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:42,599
didn't give a grade. I was a C plus.

1440
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: Where are you I remember to see? Just because I

1441
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,960
don't know what they did that's above average. I guess

1442
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,000
if you want to say the russ deal. But I

1443
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:51,199
also kind of assume like, well, there's this is the

1444
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:53,119
early bird right situation. We're just gonna have to pay

1445
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:56,039
him later. I think bringing him back was good. I'm

1446
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:58,800
Mason Plumbley. I'm indifferent to like, I don't know you

1447
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,239
could you've gotten a better big for price point. I mean,

1448
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,239
I like Bismock Biambo better and he's still floating around unsigned,

1449
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,440
but you can't dg him for it. It's just everything

1450
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:09,440
they acted and the Eric Gordon stuff. Yeah, she would

1451
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,360
keep Eric Gordon. But when it's gonna cost you two

1452
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,760
hundred million dollars to have Eric Gordon, I get it.

1453
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:14,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.

1454
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: And so it's just like, yes, I it's not my money.

1455
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,000
So they should have kept him because he was really important.

1456
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:22,360
But I'm not gonna like give them an extra demerit

1457
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:23,920
because they didn't want to pay one hundred and fifty

1458
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,320
million dollars like they wanted to say. They shouldn't say

1459
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,119
Eric Gordon didn't drive up the price day they could

1460
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,679
have looked for YO, that's something you could get into.

1461
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,880
Could they have been more aggressive in finding a new

1462
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,760
home for like Marcus Morris and then been able to

1463
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,360
keep Eric Gordon, Like was there some sort of compensation?

1464
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:40,760
He's not expiring contract, Like you couldn't have done something

1465
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,400
with OKC or Detroit or the Spurs or something. So

1466
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,159
just to see nothing they did this offseason impressed me.

1467
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,639
And but there's also the level of incomplete because of

1468
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:51,920
the James Harden trade rumors.

1469
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I went C plus just because they

1470
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,840
didn't immediately extend Kawhi and.

1471
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: Paul George and that matters.

1472
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: That kept that kind of kept them above water for

1473
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:03,000
me though, because like what else did they do? I

1474
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:05,199
guess you really have to like the Rust deal. I

1475
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:06,239
just I can't bring myself.

1476
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:07,679
Speaker 1: It was an average.

1477
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,079
Speaker 2: They couldn't do a lot, but they didn't do anything

1478
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,400
that you look at and go oh wow, like nice job.

1479
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,199
And if the best thing they did was not sign

1480
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,519
their two best players to extensions, it's.

1481
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: Like all right, like what is the bar here?

1482
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's hit the other LA team. I

1483
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,639
think I have them. So I'm glad to have your

1484
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:25,519
sheet here too, because I did not have the Anthony

1485
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:28,679
Davis extension on here three years, one hundred and seventy

1486
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:31,400
seven point one million goes through his age thirty four season,

1487
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,239
and he's got a player option on twenty seven to

1488
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:36,719
twenty eight. In addition to that, got Austin Reeves back

1489
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,840
for four years fifty three point eight million with a

1490
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,119
player option on last year. There just, I mean, one

1491
01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:45,320
of my favorite deals of the offseason. I think you're

1492
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,360
there with me. Rue Hachimura for three years and fifty one.

1493
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,760
Don't love it as much. Not terrible sign D'Angelo Russell

1494
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,760
for two years and thirty six million with the player option.

1495
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,920
I think critically he doesn't have veto rights on a trade, so.

1496
01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:58,519
Speaker 1: Him giving that up was a big deal.

1497
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 3: That's a big win. I think Gabe Vincent on board

1498
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,559
from Miami for three years and thirty three, Torrian Prince

1499
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,199
Late of the Timberwolves for a year and four point

1500
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:10,440
five million, Jackson Hayes and Camera DTIs for the minimum,

1501
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,280
outgoing Dennis Shrewder, Troy Brown, Junior, Malik Beasley, Lonnie Walker

1502
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,800
the fourth, and Mobamba drafted Jalen hoods Chafino at seventeen

1503
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,079
and Maxwell Lewis at forty. I'm trying to see if

1504
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:24,840
I missed anything else. I think that's other than some

1505
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:28,480
later draft selling and buying picks. I think that's pretty

1506
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:28,920
much it.

1507
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: They clearly like Maxwell Lewis, who was at number forty.

1508
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:37,039
I look, this was a very good offseason for the Lakers.

1509
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:39,239
I'm mad at other NBA teams, as I mentioned probably

1510
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,119
on multiple podcasts, that they didn't make them pay more

1511
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:44,360
for Austin Reeves. I'm fine with the Dangel Russell deal

1512
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,280
that's built to be moved. I know there's the player

1513
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,239
option on it, but he can't veto a trade. It's

1514
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,960
just such a low number in the like it's it's

1515
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,599
maybe twelve percent of the salary cap next summer.

1516
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: So and look, he's still like he's had. He had an.

1517
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,559
Speaker 2: Efficient scoring season kind of before he came to LA.

1518
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,360
And so they're might be teams that just value that.

1519
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:04,880
I gave them an a minus kind of spoiling the

1520
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,679
lead here. I don't know what move there wasn't like

1521
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,239
other than I would not have taken jaellenhood Chafino, Like

1522
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:12,719
you need someone. I know we're talking about rookies on

1523
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,679
a team that maybe wouldn't play them. And I know

1524
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,119
he gives you like maybe that capslock wing defender, But

1525
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,360
this team needs spacing, and I thought the Torrian Prince

1526
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,360
deal was great. Austin Reeves is going to give you

1527
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,920
some of that, but you're still just not chock full

1528
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,440
of Oh, we have good shooters and if you're gonna

1529
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,440
try it all to play Anthony Davis with another big

1530
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,199
Gabe Vinton's considered three indeed, but we've seen his three

1531
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:35,559
point percentage slump a little bit. Ruey Hochi Moore is

1532
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:38,000
not that guy. I also consider to be plus because

1533
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,719
I don't love the Ruey Hochi Mora a deal. Agree,

1534
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,000
very good offseason for the Lakers, but I just thought

1535
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,920
that was like, who was giving him that type of money?

1536
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,960
And you're banking a lot on what you saw kind

1537
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,159
of in the later season and during the playoffs, and

1538
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:54,119
even that is just like there's a clear ceiling on that.

1539
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: Dude.

1540
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,159
Speaker 2: Is he a part of your most important lineups? The

1541
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:59,519
answer is just gonna be no, most likely. But the

1542
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:02,719
value that got for like Gabe Vincentatt, Austin Reeves a

1543
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,039
plus plus deal, the Torrian Prince absolute home run. So

1544
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,159
just the Jayleenhood Schafino stuff just makes it a little.

1545
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,159
I take an issue with that more than the Ruie deal,

1546
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:14,480
because at least we've seen like okay, Ruey kind of

1547
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,680
works as a as a play finisher, And I just

1548
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,760
I would have liked to see the Lakers been like, well,

1549
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,119
let's either move up or out of this spot entirely,

1550
01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:25,479
not that they needed to acquire a veteran or because

1551
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,800
they've just rolled the dice on. They were never gonna

1552
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,319
be a cam Witmore team. That's fair, But like Hami

1553
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,159
Hawkes feels like he would have made more sense pods

1554
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,000
even once to the Warriors we just talked about.

1555
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: I actually even would have.

1556
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 2: Looked at Noah Clowney here just as sort of like

1557
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,960
a rim protecting stretch big does he is he able

1558
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,760
to fit with a d Why was Chris Murray not

1559
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,640
on their radar? And I think even Olivier Max sens

1560
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,840
prosper is just someone who or even Marcus Sasser, I

1561
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,640
don't really particularly like him, but like they were just

1562
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,600
better shooters on the board. In O Max's case, not

1563
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,199
a much better shooter. I trust his jump shot long term,

1564
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,199
but like someone who still would have brought you that

1565
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,600
defensive value as well.

1566
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 3: I think I think generally speaking, the Hood Schafino pick

1567
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,359
was pretty widely panned by you know, especially draft evaluators

1568
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:11,600
that are more analytically based. So I mean, I I

1569
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,079
guess I'm an a mis too. I knocked it down.

1570
01:09:14,079 --> 01:09:15,800
I think more for the Hatch murraa deal that I

1571
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,800
didn't really love, I would just add, though I agree

1572
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,800
with everything you said, I would add that you know,

1573
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,560
if you're gonna sign guys for the minimum and you're

1574
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,640
not sure you're gonna play them, but if you do,

1575
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
you might only ask him to do one or two things.

1576
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:32,359
I love Jackson Hayes and Cam Reddish as just like

1577
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,079
let's see, you know, maybe Jackson Hayes as like a

1578
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:37,600
fourth big or he might be higher than that in

1579
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,319
the rotation. Like there's still obvious like physical talent with

1580
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,439
both of those guys, and they mostly haven't been on

1581
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,199
good teams. And I think for someone like Reddish, like

1582
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:49,119
there have been enough stops now to where it's like

1583
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:52,239
it's it's definitely not them, it's you, Like you're you're

1584
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:55,640
not delivering. But in terms of just guys with physical

1585
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,159
tools for the minimum on a team that you know

1586
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:00,479
doesn't have to play them, I think I think those

1587
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,000
are the kind of flyers I like. So that didn't

1588
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,760
really meaningfully affect the grade. But but that's just another

1589
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,720
reason that this was a solid to very solid offseason

1590
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:09,359
for the Lakers.

1591
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: I did see some skepticism about the Anthony Davis extension,

1592
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,199
and I didn't understand it, just like, yeah, do you

1593
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:18,720
want to potentially pay him sixty three point four million

1594
01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:19,720
thirty four.

1595
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,079
Speaker 1: Percent of a cap at age thirty four?

1596
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but like you like you can't get rid

1597
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,880
of him, like you need a pole star for if

1598
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,199
and when Lebron leaves or actually kind of falls off,

1599
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,279
which is just like, yeah, he's not the same player

1600
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:33,800
he was, but like age thirty eight, Lebron, age thirty nine,

1601
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,359
Lebron is still really good. Yeah, it's not always going

1602
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:37,640
to be the case, or he's not always going to

1603
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,319
be there. And the other thing, had you waited, like

1604
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,000
the fact that he had that ETO and the way

1605
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,920
it was structured, you couldn't he couldn't get a longer deal,

1606
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,520
and so the fact that it's only three years, like

1607
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,159
now you're not paying him into his age thirty five season,

1608
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:52,800
And had you waited for him to get into free agency,

1609
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,760
like you might have had to pay him and to

1610
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,399
do his age thirty six season. So I thought that

1611
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,880
was just a no brainer for them, and it keeps

1612
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,720
them a little bit more flexible, also ensuring like, well,

1613
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,640
we do still kind of have this direction with Austin Reeves,

1614
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,800
with Anthony Davis post Lebron.

1615
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just the going rate for Anthony Davis,

1616
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,279
who like I'm gonna Bill Simmons this right now and say, like,

1617
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:15,520
when he's at his best, he's one of the like

1618
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,560
five to eighth, you know, five to eight best players

1619
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,560
in the league, And if that happens to be in

1620
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,600
the playoffs, which is all the Lakers care about, then

1621
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:23,600
that's worth it.

1622
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, That's nothing he does anymore. It's just like, yeah,

1623
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:27,479
he can cover a lot of.

1624
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 2: Ground on defense, but he's not as explosive as he

1625
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,199
once was on offense. Like his game if he's actually

1626
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,479
on the court, his availability might not age well, but

1627
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,119
his game should be fine.

1628
01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:39,520
Speaker 3: Right, Like he's gonna slow down and still be a

1629
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,439
dominant rim protector like that. That's just you know, as

1630
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,720
he fades, he's still going to have like an elite

1631
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,640
skill or two. And it just, yeah, this is what

1632
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,840
it costs to keep Anthony Davis. That's either you do

1633
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,000
this or you don't keep Anthony Davis. That's just how

1634
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:54,439
it works.

1635
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,079
Speaker 2: I just don't see how if you don't think the

1636
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:57,720
Lakers got a lot better, I don't know how you

1637
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,960
dislike their offseason is just where I'm at. Agree, Let's

1638
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,039
move on to the to the Phoenix Suns. If you

1639
01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:05,439
want to go, grab like a caffeine beverage or something

1640
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,880
while I go through this for like eight hours. They

1641
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:12,159
dismissed Monti Williams. They hired Frank Fogel. They traded Chris

1642
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,920
Paul Landry Shammitt, four first round swaps, four second rounders,

1643
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,319
and cash for Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin, and Isaiah Todd.

1644
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,640
They then traded Isaiah Todd, a least favorable twenty four

1645
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,119
first round swap and a least favorable twenty thirty first

1646
01:12:25,159 --> 01:12:27,920
round swap to Memphis for second round picks in twenty

1647
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:31,039
twenty eight. In twenty twenty nine, both of which are

1648
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:33,840
Memphis own picks. For anyone that might care about that,

1649
01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:37,720
they traded Cameron Payne New Orleans is twenty twenty five

1650
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,640
second round pick and cash to San Antonio for a

1651
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,800
top fifty four protected second rounder. So fake second, they

1652
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,880
created a six point five million dollar traded player exception.

1653
01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:50,720
They signed Eric Gordon, Josha Kogi, Kita Bates, the op

1654
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,640
Utah Wantonabi, Drew Eubanks, and Damian Lee to two year

1655
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,840
minimum deals with player options. On the second season, they

1656
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,800
signed Bowl Bull and Chimez Metwu to one year minimums.

1657
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:03,760
They signed number fifty two to Mani Kamara to a

1658
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,600
four year, seven point six million dollar deal. Only one

1659
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,359
season is guaranteed. They also signed Udoka Azabooki and Saban

1660
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,880
Lee to two way contracts. Just some other housekeeping notes here.

1661
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,399
Jack Landelle signed with Houston for four years and thirty

1662
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,159
two million, only.

1663
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,520
Speaker 1: One season of that was guaranteed.

1664
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,520
Speaker 2: Tory Craig signed with Chicago for two years and five million.

1665
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,720
Because Matt Biama remains unsigned and I believe the Suns

1666
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,720
still have their early bird rights on him that they

1667
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,159
did not announce him. There's the DeAndre Ayton speculation if

1668
01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:32,760
you want to consider that. And then also, I don't

1669
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,760
know how much this factors in for you. They made

1670
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,039
Kevin Young one of the highest paid non head coaches

1671
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:41,600
in the NB. Yeah, that's a lot.

1672
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,199
Speaker 1: Here's I know.

1673
01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:47,039
Speaker 2: I'm curious as to whether you've come around on the

1674
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:49,680
Bradley Beal. That's the biggest thing they did this offseason,

1675
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,520
unless you think firing Monni Williams was as big. I

1676
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,920
know you thought it was riskier than I did. Have

1677
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,840
you come around to the idea, like, if you have

1678
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,039
a problem with that trade, your real problem was with

1679
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:02,000
the Kevin Durant trade, which has no bearing on this

1680
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:06,760
offseason because look at the value they gave up four seconds,

1681
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:12,239
four swaps, an expiring contract, and Landry Shammitt essentially for

1682
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,800
someone who has an All NBA ceiling. You are not

1683
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,960
going to get better value for what they gave up,

1684
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,079
and you didn't. By the way, you didn't obliterate your

1685
01:14:20,119 --> 01:14:23,319
depth with that trade. You gave up two rotation players

1686
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:25,920
for one better rotation player.

1687
01:14:26,199 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean the fact that they just hit

1688
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,600
like seven consecutive home runs on their minimums has changed

1689
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,560
my evaluation a little, like a lot actually, because Okay,

1690
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:42,479
my knock really was, you know, and his basic stuff,

1691
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,079
like I don't think Bradley bial is a positive value

1692
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:47,800
player at that contract. It's just like he's not good

1693
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,159
enough to justify what they're paying him. But then it's

1694
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:52,960
like the Sons don't care. They're already you know, they're

1695
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,640
trying to win a title, and he gives them a

1696
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,720
better chance to do that than than the fucking Landry

1697
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,479
Shammitt and Chris Paul and like three and a half

1698
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,520
million dollars and all those picks. Right, So kudos to

1699
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,760
the Suns for being very goal oriented. I so the

1700
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,399
other questions I had were like, do you need a

1701
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,159
third guy that's basically a primary shot creator if you

1702
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:16,960
have Devin Booker and Kevin Durant. And there was some

1703
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,960
pushback that I saw that. It was like, well that

1704
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:21,079
kind of was their problem in the playoffs as it

1705
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:23,239
was those two guys and nobody else could do anything.

1706
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:29,520
So fair points, I take that. I think ultimately I

1707
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,880
have gotten you know, hey, I'm giving the Sons an a.

1708
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:35,840
It's like a flat A. So yeah, obviously I've come

1709
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,479
around on it. I think the Beal acquisition in conjunction

1710
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,279
with all all the other stuff they did, and I

1711
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,640
to your point, like the Kevin Young thing, I think

1712
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,359
that's a little fraud when you really pay an assistant

1713
01:15:49,399 --> 01:15:51,000
that the players.

1714
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,039
Speaker 1: A lot for the head coach.

1715
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:53,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's.

1716
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: A little fraud.

1717
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 3: But like also I love it when teams are willing

1718
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,399
to spend, you know, extravagantly on stuff that isn't affected

1719
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:03,800
by the salary cap. So ultimately, I kind I like that.

1720
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,439
And you know, it seemed like Monny Williams had kind

1721
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,800
of lost the locker room a little bit. So and

1722
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,520
Frank Vogel has won a title and is a good

1723
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,319
defensive coach and might be better at.

1724
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: Reaching DeAndre eight and than Money Williams.

1725
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that relationship seemed broken between Eight and Williams.

1726
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,079
And so if you want to even if all you

1727
01:16:19,119 --> 01:16:21,319
want to do is Rehabitan's value, maybe Vogel is just

1728
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,039
a better person to do that, so you can trade them.

1729
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:27,199
But yeah, this is an a to me, and it's

1730
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:30,119
it's weird that so much of it hinges on guys

1731
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,840
like Gordon and KBD and U Banks and Watson Abbie.

1732
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,720
But it's just like, you should not be able to

1733
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,840
fill out a rotation so effectively with minimum salaries, and

1734
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,079
I just can't. I can't really remember a team doing

1735
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,279
a better job of that. So so yeah, it's in

1736
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:49,359
a The Sun's off season was a rousing success. Even

1737
01:16:49,399 --> 01:16:53,319
if I had hadn't, still have some questions about the

1738
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:54,239
Beal thing.

1739
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:57,119
Speaker 2: The thing I went back and forth on was you

1740
01:16:57,279 --> 01:16:59,560
kind of just punted on having any other playmakers on

1741
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,199
the ross A by getting rid of Campaign. And there

1742
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:03,880
are two ways to look at it. Was Campaign going

1743
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,399
to be in their closing lineup? Absolutely not no, And

1744
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,119
you still do have Eric Gordon kind of like sort

1745
01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:12,399
of a secondary guy there. The trade the TPA might

1746
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,199
actually be more valuable to them this season the camera payne.

1747
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,720
So I didn't know where to land on that, but

1748
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,920
I will say to then not use like really any

1749
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,039
of your minimums on like kind of a point guarding type,

1750
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:25,319
just to have that knowing that these aren't the three

1751
01:17:25,319 --> 01:17:27,520
most durable stars in the world.

1752
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,119
Speaker 1: I went with an ans just because it's the Kevin

1753
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:31,079
Young stuff. You mentioned it.

1754
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 2: It made me a little uneasy. I don't think there's

1755
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,159
a problem with it. I was. I don't want to

1756
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:37,399
use the word uninspired. I think Frank Vogel was kind

1757
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,520
of an unspectacular candidate to sentalon, but like Doc Rivers

1758
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,640
got like really far into that process or something too,

1759
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,560
so the fact that he might be able to reach

1760
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,119
DeAndre Ayton, and when there is defensive uncertainty kind of

1761
01:17:49,119 --> 01:17:51,039
caked into here, it's like, okay, like Frank Vogel like

1762
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:53,760
gives you a very high defensive floor, and I think

1763
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,920
that that's really important. I'm just sort of like, when

1764
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,680
we're looking at the highest level of beast ball, I

1765
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,399
don't think you did anything to hurt your championship chances

1766
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,560
by it's not even getting rid of campaign, but by

1767
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,960
not using the minimum on could this have been like

1768
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:08,600
a Corey Joseph team or or could they've been a.

1769
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson team?

1770
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: Nonge right, So I'm not I'm not.

1771
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you didn't.

1772
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,319
Speaker 2: You didn't hurt it, but you did kind of just

1773
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,600
like there's a little bit more risk here. Maybe the

1774
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,520
thought is, well, we'll just go out and get that

1775
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,960
player mid season that in conjunction with and maybe he

1776
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:26,720
still comes back.

1777
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: Like I really like Bismack Biyambo for this team. Why

1778
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:30,960
was he just not like.

1779
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: Kind of part of like, do you think Drew Eubanks

1780
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,960
is better than Bismack Biambo. I guess some people will.

1781
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:39,479
I like though, I guess it's like a like someone

1782
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,319
who can like cut through the lane, and I might

1783
01:18:41,359 --> 01:18:43,680
even trust him switching a little bit more just as

1784
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,720
at least as a straight up rim protector.

1785
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:47,560
Speaker 3: These are very small equipples.

1786
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 2: Though it was a it was an a off season

1787
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,680
in some regard, not an A plus, could have been

1788
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:52,319
an a minus.

1789
01:18:52,359 --> 01:18:53,520
Speaker 1: It was just somewhere in that range.

1790
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,199
Speaker 3: There you go, all right, that takes us to the

1791
01:18:56,319 --> 01:19:02,439
Sacramento Kings, which I have here so renegotiated and extended

1792
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,800
Demona sabonas so his deal essentially is now five years

1793
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,600
for just under two hundred and fifteen million dollars. Harrison

1794
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,000
Barnes is back three years fifty four million. Trey Lyles

1795
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,880
also back two years sixteen. Alex lenn Is back as

1796
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,800
well for the minimum and as is not as is

1797
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,319
but nerlens Noel also signed for the minimum. Signed Sasha

1798
01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:25,640
Vesenkov for three years nineteen point nine million, with a

1799
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,880
team option on the third year. Signed the Amiskida got

1800
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,520
Chris Duarte from the Pacers for just two future seconds.

1801
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,720
I'm not sure I would have believed that was possible.

1802
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,119
A couple of year ago. Traded Rashaun Holmes and number

1803
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:41,840
twenty four to Dallas for cash, got thirty four from

1804
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,159
Boston for thirty eight and at twenty four second, and

1805
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:49,520
they took Colby Jones at thirty four, outgoing Terence Davis, Chimizi, Mattu, PJ. Doser,

1806
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,840
and Matthew Delavadova is unsigned. I will throw it to

1807
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,760
you before I reveal my grade. It's not a good one.

1808
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,199
So I would like to see what you have to

1809
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:01,199
say about the King's offseason before I jump in.

1810
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 2: So here's what's interesting is that when they made that

1811
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:11,239
Rashaun Holmes trade, it created this idea that they were

1812
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:16,479
gearing up for something just mega. It's disappointing when you

1813
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,479
look at their offseason measured against that. However, that mega

1814
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,520
move wasn't out there like we campaigned for them even

1815
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:24,479
before they made that move.

1816
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,399
Speaker 1: By the way, we thought Draymond Green was a good

1817
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,279
fit for no't no.

1818
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,159
Speaker 2: He clearly wasn't leaving Golden State, and so you need

1819
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:32,359
to evaluate did you really want them to go after

1820
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:32,720
a PJ.

1821
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:33,399
Speaker 1: Washington.

1822
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 2: How gettable was Jeremy Grant when he got the full

1823
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,680
five year boat with a trade kicker and a player

1824
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,399
option from Portland. The answer is he wasn't gettable. So

1825
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,439
I have to pull back and say they had a

1826
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,199
lay of the market, and I don't think because they

1827
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:48,960
renegotiated and extended to bonus.

1828
01:20:49,239 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: This was not an issue of, oh, they misread what

1829
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:52,880
this cap space was gonna do.

1830
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,199
Speaker 2: That actually makes me more concerned about their offseason because

1831
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:58,359
you do not give up first round equity to make

1832
01:20:58,399 --> 01:21:02,199
it easier to give an incumbent player in immediate race.

1833
01:21:02,359 --> 01:21:04,840
It shows him a solid You could have just given

1834
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,239
him a five year deal next summer. And if he

1835
01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:08,960
didn't want to wait for that, if there's something behind

1836
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,279
the scenes, the threat of him leaving one, no, like

1837
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:14,600
he just had like a great season and the Kings

1838
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,279
just broke their playoff drout and two it's just like,

1839
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,479
so you're like him kind of agitating for this renegotiating.

1840
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,720
I'm not saying he did this, but him agitating towards

1841
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,680
the renegotiating extent made you want to keep him around longer,

1842
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,239
Like the how could this blow up in your face

1843
01:21:28,279 --> 01:21:30,399
at all? So the fact that I don't believe any

1844
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:31,239
of that factored in.

1845
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:32,359
Speaker 1: I'm just not in the.

1846
01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 2: Business of giving up first round picks to make it

1847
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,840
easier to pay a player that I can just pay

1848
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,199
anyway next summer. Who when you're looking at it from

1849
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:43,319
a team perspective, where was the leverage coming from for him, Like,

1850
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,039
I don't even know if I love this money. I

1851
01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:47,319
think he'll his deal with age just fine. He's a

1852
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,520
very good player. I think they did some nice work

1853
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,079
on the margins. Christa Warte is an interesting flyer. I

1854
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,239
am now smitten with Vezzi, who I just think is

1855
01:21:54,279 --> 01:21:55,760
going to shoot the hell out of it. But it's

1856
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,279
also sort of like, well, you have all these like

1857
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,079
forwards who aren't small forwards now with him, Harrison, Barnes,

1858
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:04,880
even Keith and Murray. Uh maybe Keith and Murray just

1859
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,199
makes his on ball leap and defensive leap and he

1860
01:22:07,279 --> 01:22:08,720
showed a lot of it in Summer League and can

1861
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:09,439
be more of a wing.

1862
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: I went with A just because I don't want to.

1863
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: I'm like still vacillating on this grade a little bit

1864
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,199
because I think that it's some people are interviewed is

1865
01:22:19,239 --> 01:22:19,840
unfairly harsh.

1866
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with A D plus damn it because

1867
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:23,720
is that what you went with?

1868
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is also I don't I.

1869
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 2: Guess you can say, well, what were they gonna do

1870
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,439
with that extra cap space other than pay Sabonis more?

1871
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,840
And doesn't it make sense to pay him more now?

1872
01:22:34,319 --> 01:22:36,399
So that you're not paying him a year later into

1873
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,840
his career. If you want a Galaxy brain that it's

1874
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,439
fine you could. We saw like Reggie Bullock would have

1875
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,680
helped this team if you wanted to use cap space

1876
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,199
to do something like that and you gave up.

1877
01:22:47,239 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 1: The other thing is you gave up. I don't care

1878
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:49,680
how you fear about Omax.

1879
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,279
Speaker 2: Maybe you would have won a different direction, which you've

1880
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:55,479
drafted Keg and Murray's brother, YadA, YadA, YadA. Like you

1881
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,159
gave up a first round pick and you are not

1882
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:01,479
a net pop that if because of it you kept

1883
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,119
you Basically that was the cost of let's just say

1884
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:08,319
they'll bring VESI over and you gave a first round

1885
01:23:08,359 --> 01:23:10,439
pick to renegotiate an extensive bonus. That's just how I

1886
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,760
view this, And I think the other deals were fine.

1887
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,880
I would tell some people didn't like the Harrison Barnes

1888
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,319
deal that like might be the most bankable contract.

1889
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 3: They's totally fine, totally fine.

1890
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,239
Speaker 2: So and the other thing, the final thing I'll say

1891
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:25,359
is you didn't address like your defensive concerns at all

1892
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,479
this offseason. Not I think Neuralan's The Well was a

1893
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,399
pretty good pickup. You leaned further into the offense model.

1894
01:23:30,399 --> 01:23:31,720
We'll see how that works out for you.

1895
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: But to not upgrade the defense in any way, shape

1896
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,680
or form is a choice like that, That is certainly

1897
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,039
a choice, right, I think that.

1898
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,520
Speaker 3: I think you know your approach to the Sabonis extensions

1899
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,960
as being related to you know, giving up a first

1900
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,560
and all that, all the asset management stuff. I think

1901
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,840
that's totally right, I think. But the idea of this

1902
01:23:57,079 --> 01:23:59,920
the King's not getting better in a meaningful way or

1903
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:02,600
in ways that they really clearly needed to is more

1904
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,560
the angle that I come at it from. And so, like,

1905
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,640
I got a lot of heat before I tuned it

1906
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,800
out entirely. After like a couple hours, I did a

1907
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,399
most overrated Players in the league, which is an impossible

1908
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:17,079
task for br Uh. I don't know three weeks ago,

1909
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:21,520
probably because what's overrated mean by whose standards are? We like,

1910
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,640
what's the baseline and what people what's the consensus opinion?

1911
01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:28,199
How far from that is the player? It's so ridiculous. Anyway, Anyway,

1912
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:29,960
Sibonus was on there. I ranked him number one. It

1913
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,079
was right after this extension, the idea being this guy

1914
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:38,319
just got played off the floor by Kevan Looney in

1915
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:41,359
a in a postseason series, I will, while granting that

1916
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,760
Sabonis was integral to everything the Kings did during the year,

1917
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,640
a lot of people would say he mattered even more

1918
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,159
than Fox did, Even though Fox was phenomenal in the

1919
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:51,920
clutch and I think graded out significantly better by a

1920
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,159
lot of the catch alls. Sabonis's you know, elbow passing

1921
01:24:55,399 --> 01:24:59,359
and interior play just mattered a ton. It mattered a

1922
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,680
ton to a team that won forty eight games, which

1923
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,840
it wasn't that long ago that that's like eight seed

1924
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,359
territory in the West, right, it happened to be much

1925
01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:08,479
better than that this past season, and a team that

1926
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,079
could not defend for shit, especially in the playoffs against

1927
01:25:12,079 --> 01:25:13,960
the Warriors, team that actually, it turns out, was not

1928
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:17,319
that great at the time. So they got upset in

1929
01:25:17,359 --> 01:25:18,880
the first by a team that I think we should

1930
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,000
have had real questions about. And so Bonus was a

1931
01:25:22,279 --> 01:25:25,119
massive reason that the Kings did not advance. And he

1932
01:25:25,279 --> 01:25:27,640
was making eighteen to five last year, you're two xing

1933
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,880
that as soon as this extension fully kicks in, he's

1934
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,279
gonna make thirty. And then you're three xing that towards

1935
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:34,600
the end of this deal on an annual basis, so

1936
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,079
you've locked in at a max level rate. Essentially a

1937
01:25:38,199 --> 01:25:40,720
guy that puts a ceiling on how good you can

1938
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,439
be in the playoffs because he doesn't space the floor,

1939
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,239
because he doesn't defend in space, because he's severely limited

1940
01:25:47,319 --> 01:25:49,720
in ways that totally matter if you're trying to win

1941
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,159
playoff series, which is what the Kings should be trying

1942
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:54,840
to do now. Right, because we've advanced, we've ended the

1943
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,000
playoff drought, what's the next step. The next step cannot

1944
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:02,760
be committing massive money to a player who raises your

1945
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,720
floor but also caps your ceiling. So that's why it's

1946
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,920
a D plus for me. I think the Kings were

1947
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,279
in a position where they did not have to feel

1948
01:26:10,319 --> 01:26:12,439
pressure to do this. They did not have to give

1949
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,399
Sabonis this money now, and they could have waited, and

1950
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,039
maybe if they wait, they have other opportunities. They realize,

1951
01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:21,760
after a second year in a row, our defense cannot

1952
01:26:22,319 --> 01:26:25,039
survive with him at the center of it. We can't

1953
01:26:25,079 --> 01:26:28,840
give this guy two hundred million dollars. So Sabonis is

1954
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,560
a really good player, he's not the guy that they

1955
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,880
need in the middle for that amount of money if

1956
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,720
they want to take the next step. And I'm disappointed

1957
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,439
ultimately that this feels like, let's keep the gang together

1958
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,119
because we'd like to win another forty five to fifty

1959
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:47,039
games and maybe get out of the first round if

1960
01:26:47,039 --> 01:26:49,840
we're lucky. Like that's just that's a disappointing result to me.

1961
01:26:50,279 --> 01:26:54,840
While again conceding that Sabonus mattered and there weren't a

1962
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,039
ton of other options, but they didn't have to do that.

1963
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,359
They didn't have to give that big of a deal.

1964
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,079
So that's a long winded way. I feel like I

1965
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:03,680
have to defend myself a little bit because I've been

1966
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,800
hard on Sibonis and that contract specifically lately, and I

1967
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:08,279
think you.

1968
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:10,239
Speaker 2: Had mentioned it and to anyone who might have listened

1969
01:27:10,279 --> 01:27:12,079
to it, and already two now because of what I

1970
01:27:12,119 --> 01:27:14,079
said when I say that they gave up a first

1971
01:27:14,079 --> 01:27:16,760
who essentially resign the bonus, like you didn't necessarily need

1972
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,960
to do that because you were slated for cap space anyway,

1973
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:21,199
it made it easier to keep Barnes. I believe they

1974
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:23,920
used the room exception to sign VESI and so like

1975
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,920
you were able to offload what was it between Rashaun

1976
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,079
Holmes and then technically the Omax pick like sixteen and

1977
01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:31,520
a half million in salary, So that took you from

1978
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,319
in theory like thirty five thirty six million in cap space.

1979
01:27:35,359 --> 01:27:38,399
Now you're down to twenty and that would have included

1980
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,520
renouncing Barns. If you give Barnes this eighteen million dollar

1981
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,199
salary that's by by cap space. It's just kind of

1982
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:46,359
what I meant there, and so like you, that's why

1983
01:27:46,399 --> 01:27:47,039
you gave up.

1984
01:27:47,279 --> 01:27:49,039
Speaker 1: Because you were able to sign Harrison Barnes.

1985
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: And then still have cap space, and you use that

1986
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,079
cap space on SI Bonus's renegotiating extent on a decision

1987
01:27:55,079 --> 01:27:56,239
that you could have waited. So I don't think I

1988
01:27:56,319 --> 01:27:58,920
was clear with those mode of operations, but I think

1989
01:27:59,079 --> 01:28:01,640
I'm also with you you said there. I'm probably higher

1990
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,000
on some Bonus than you are, but to kind of

1991
01:28:04,039 --> 01:28:06,319
see how that playoff series on hold and then decide like, okay,

1992
01:28:06,359 --> 01:28:08,479
this is the right move. It does feel a little

1993
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,640
bit unnecessarily not final, but like concrete.

1994
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,560
Speaker 3: And I feel bad. I feel like I just I'm

1995
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,600
bagging on Sibonis a lot. But it's just like.

1996
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 2: There's also something too, and I think fans will and

1997
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,119
this will be a fair critique of both of us,

1998
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:24,039
like they just had their best season in two decades

1999
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:27,560
or whatever, and they're good and they can stay good.

2000
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,760
But if you were going to do this with Sibonas,

2001
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,680
you needed to then improve your ceiling in the Western Conference.

2002
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,199
I just don't think they did that. What is their

2003
01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:39,960
path to being better, more dangerous than they were last year?

2004
01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:44,199
It's Keegan Murray pops and maybe he does, but is

2005
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,199
he gonna pop on defense? Which was still I know

2006
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:48,079
you kind of they had some pretty good defensive moments

2007
01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:48,720
in the playoffs.

2008
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 3: They did their ball pressure was great. That was a

2009
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,039
real key, But that's not It's not the same as

2010
01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:55,760
having someone that is going to deter shots at the

2011
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,960
rim or be able to switch as a bit like

2012
01:28:58,399 --> 01:29:01,079
that's just he just does. And the other thing I

2013
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:04,279
was going to say, the way that Sibonis came up short,

2014
01:29:05,119 --> 01:29:08,359
what was essentially the book on him, Like this isn't

2015
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,359
like you know, we knew this in Indiana. All of

2016
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,359
these issues were present then and so then to see

2017
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,640
it hurt you in the playoffs and then to pay him,

2018
01:29:18,279 --> 01:29:22,239
I just again like I think probably, I think you

2019
01:29:22,359 --> 01:29:25,279
hit it. This is the Kings had the best season

2020
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:27,640
they've had in like twenty years a little less than that,

2021
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,239
But that's only a small exaggeration, and I think the

2022
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:31,840
vast majority of fans would be like, if we just

2023
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,039
did that again, if we won in the mid to

2024
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:37,119
high forties again in our playoff team, give me that

2025
01:29:37,319 --> 01:29:39,439
for ten more years. I'm happy. I don't think the

2026
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,239
urgency to like, let's you know, be into the let's

2027
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:44,720
get into the contender tier. I don't think that's really happening.

2028
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,600
But the way I think we tend to think about

2029
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,880
this type of thing is like, well, this can't be

2030
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,680
the end. The goal can't be to win forty eight games,

2031
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,680
Like that's that's not how you're you should be operating.

2032
01:29:57,159 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 1: And I guess are we short.

2033
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Chaining the fact that the pat improvement could come through

2034
01:30:01,039 --> 01:30:05,239
Sabonis and Fox Fox age twenty six, Subonus age twenty seven.

2035
01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 3: I Fox for sure. I think Fox was deservedly an

2036
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,279
All NBA player and could absolutely get better. But I

2037
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,800
just I think we know roughly what Sabonus. Like. If

2038
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,560
Sabonus comes out and he's shooting six three is a

2039
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,640
game and he's making like thirty five percent of them,

2040
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,000
then maybe he's worth that money, probably not because of

2041
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,279
the defensive issues he poses, but I kind of feel

2042
01:30:26,359 --> 01:30:29,720
like he's got such a specific and unique game that

2043
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,680
it doesn't seem like there's a lot left like untapped.

2044
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,039
I don't know, maybe you feel differently.

2045
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: No, And then just like the other thing here that

2046
01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:37,960
I that you have to factor in, I think it

2047
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,640
goes about saying for most parts is like you kind

2048
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,159
of limited yourself now if you want to go out

2049
01:30:41,159 --> 01:30:42,760
and make a move, and like there are still picks

2050
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,880
you could trade, but this sabonus on this deal or

2051
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,600
this roster makes a lot more sense if there's someone

2052
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,439
different to put at the three, let's say so like,

2053
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,439
but like you just don't probably have the war chest to.

2054
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: Get involved in it og Annobe' sweepstakes.

2055
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,039
Speaker 3: At this point for right, And even then, I think

2056
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:01,359
this is one of those situations where we're going long

2057
01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:03,079
on the Kings here. But this is the last thing

2058
01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:05,960
I'll say. I think they probably to be the best

2059
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:08,479
version or like the next level version of themselves. I

2060
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,079
think you kind of need a player who's not necessarily

2061
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:13,760
better than Fox, but who is better than Sabonis, especially

2062
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,439
in a playoff context. And now you're theoretically paying a

2063
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:20,119
guy that is your third best player in this hypothetical

2064
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,079
two hundred million dollars like that that that's not This

2065
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:25,680
is like a Tobias Harris kind of situation where it's like,

2066
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,119
you can't you can't spend the resources on this guy

2067
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,359
if you want to get to, you know, the highest level, and.

2068
01:31:31,399 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 2: I think why it could be potentially unexpiring. I'm not

2069
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,560
saying like they should have, not like you could have

2070
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,319
just kept him. I'm not even saying that they should.

2071
01:31:37,079 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: Have gotten rid of him.

2072
01:31:38,119 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: No, And that's the problem is like it's you want

2073
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,239
them to continue to get better. The West is going

2074
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:45,039
to be harder this year, so there's a chance that

2075
01:31:45,039 --> 01:31:47,199
they're just worse. Like growth isn't linear, so they could

2076
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,960
have a worse record, lower seed, and not necessarily be worse.

2077
01:31:50,279 --> 01:31:53,680
They're still a great team. So I just, yeah, I

2078
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,800
would say last year was not a mirage, and I

2079
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:58,880
mean that as like a compliment. But I just don't

2080
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,680
know their path, how realistic it is now, or what

2081
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,600
that path even is to get a lot better.

2082
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:06,039
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to read us what's happening

2083
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:07,159
with the Dallas bat? All right?

2084
01:32:07,239 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 3: That is where we start. The Big One signed Kyrie

2085
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,560
Irving for three years and one hundred and twenty million,

2086
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,760
with the player option on that third year, which will

2087
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,520
be his age thirty three season. After that, they acquired

2088
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,319
Grant Williams structured ultimately as a sign and trade with

2089
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:26,079
Boston two future seconds from the Spurs for Reggie Bullock

2090
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:29,520
too future seconds and twenty thirty swap rights going to

2091
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,359
the Spurs. That's all convoluted, but basically they got Grant Williams,

2092
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,720
signed Seth Curry for two years and eight million, signed

2093
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,720
Dante Exum for two years six point one five Where

2094
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:38,199
are you laughing?

2095
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:40,520
Speaker 1: Basically got Grant Williams.

2096
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,399
Speaker 2: The twenty thirty swap feels like more than an asterisk

2097
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,960
as I'm reading, and I'm just like, no, it just

2098
01:32:46,039 --> 01:32:46,800
gets Grant Williams.

2099
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 3: That's all we need to know about. Dallas resigned Dwight

2100
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,760
Powell for three years, twelve million with the player option,

2101
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,840
traded number ten and Davis Bertons to Oklahoma City for

2102
01:32:56,079 --> 01:33:00,760
number twelve, which turned into Derrek Levely. The Second also

2103
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,079
acquired Rashaun Holmes and number twenty four, which became Olivia

2104
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:08,720
Maxent's prosper from the Kings basically for cash using the

2105
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:13,000
TPE from the Bertons trade. More or less, they lost

2106
01:33:13,079 --> 01:33:18,439
Slash remain unsigned, Justin Holiday Dan, Frank Millikina no longer

2107
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:19,520
Dallas Maverick.

2108
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 2: Christian wore about to win and hang a batner for

2109
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:23,560
the in season tournament.

2110
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 3: I think thanks to I don't think we mentioned Frank

2111
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,760
Millikina in the Hornets podcast.

2112
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,159
Speaker 2: So whatever happened like the night before or actually it

2113
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:33,680
was days because mine mentioned I love that our brand

2114
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,680
is strong, the hardwood, Knox, the discord, and my personal

2115
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,319
mention just went on fire.

2116
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:42,039
Speaker 3: So after the takeaway is the Hornets get an A,

2117
01:33:42,399 --> 01:33:45,000
we forget everything we said about Brandon Miller. They get

2118
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,680
an A and the Maps get an F because they

2119
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,560
lost Frankie Smokes. Christian Wood also unsigned Markeith Morris, Theo

2120
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,039
Pinson ditto. They signed the Dallas did Matis's title to

2121
01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:56,319
a three year, thirty three million dollar offer sheet, which

2122
01:33:56,399 --> 01:34:02,640
the Blazers matched. So no ace wing defender on this roster, unfortunately,

2123
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,760
since that was a pretty clear need. Nonetheless, I'll just

2124
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,079
I'll just say it, this is a B plus for me.

2125
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,960
That's with Kyrie Irving being someone I just generally do

2126
01:34:12,079 --> 01:34:15,239
not trust to be on a team that I want

2127
01:34:15,319 --> 01:34:20,760
to support or enjoy watching succeed. So, Dan, am I

2128
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,159
too high? Too low? With the B plus? What about

2129
01:34:23,359 --> 01:34:25,199
this offseason stands out most to you?

2130
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,159
Speaker 2: I think the so it's funny because it's a good

2131
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:31,319
off season. And I look the Kyrie Irving deals, just

2132
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,239
sub max money three years rather than four. I feel

2133
01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:37,720
like that's a really good out that's at least a

2134
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:39,920
reasonable outcome, especially because of what you gave up to

2135
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,520
keep him. He might have had more leverage than that,

2136
01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:45,319
and it allows you to use your full mid level exception.

2137
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,000
I like a lot of the additions here and understand them.

2138
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,880
I think it was good to go after matisz Thible,

2139
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,800
the Grant Williams acquisition. The money is fine, the fit

2140
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,119
is good. Just giving up that twenty thirty swap makes

2141
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:01,760
me uneasy. It just it makes me easy. So that

2142
01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:03,560
is something that kind of stands out the most from

2143
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,920
I'm just like, oh, but they got great value out

2144
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,520
of dropping down two spots. I love just kind of

2145
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,359
taking the flyer on Omax to get someone who was

2146
01:35:10,399 --> 01:35:12,920
Shawan Holmes, who, frankly, if he's healthy, should be able

2147
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:16,119
to go play for you. You just have more shooting

2148
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,359
with Seth Curry. I think they are going to miss

2149
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:22,159
Reggie Bullock, like you're putting a lot of like weight

2150
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,159
on the shoulders of I know people say Grant Williams

2151
01:35:24,199 --> 01:35:26,600
is the most switchable player, one of the most switchable players.

2152
01:35:26,399 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 1: In the league. He's not like this wing checking defender.

2153
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 2: You had that, at least in theory in Reggie Bullock,

2154
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,079
who defended a lot of guards. Now it's okay, Josh

2155
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:36,000
Green or we're gonna see Dante exhim in that role.

2156
01:35:36,039 --> 01:35:38,000
They have Derek Jones Junior now as well. I don't

2157
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,760
know if we mentioned that, and so I get the

2158
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,960
theory of him, I would probably land with a B

2159
01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:43,079
plus as well.

2160
01:35:43,359 --> 01:35:46,399
Speaker 1: I just I would have liked to have I don't.

2161
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 2: Know what they could have done to get a better

2162
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,720
wing defender, So I don't know how I could give

2163
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:54,319
them like a huge negative from there, but giving up

2164
01:35:54,359 --> 01:35:56,760
a twenty thirty swap to get Grant Williams and kind

2165
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,439
of keeping this weird, like big man rotation is uneven,

2166
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,680
and now what's the pathway to Derek Lively getting minutes?

2167
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,920
So you're just gonna bring him along super slowly as

2168
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,399
a rookie. Rookie again, you could talk me into like

2169
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,000
an a minus though, just because of getting off of

2170
01:36:10,079 --> 01:36:13,800
Damas Berton's and then like to drop down two spots

2171
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,840
getting the player you wanted and then still ended up

2172
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,640
getting Rashaun Holmes using part of that trade exception and

2173
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,680
a first you know what, Yeah, A minus for doubt

2174
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,760
like the process of those events. I can't give him

2175
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,319
an A for the twenty thirty swap alone. I just

2176
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,199
it makes me wildly uneasy.

2177
01:36:29,239 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 3: Do you wonder if maybe they would have just been

2178
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:35,000
better off taking Wallace at ten? Yeah? Like that's the

2179
01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:37,800
thought that's kept coming back to me, especially now I

2180
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,119
like him, or because you like him, well, I just

2181
01:36:40,199 --> 01:36:43,000
I don't know. I I guess he's not quite the

2182
01:36:44,079 --> 01:36:46,479
like can he guard threes? Do you think is he

2183
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,039
just not big enough to do that? I probably not be.

2184
01:36:50,079 --> 01:36:52,039
Speaker 2: Guys, if you think he could guard threes, that would

2185
01:36:52,039 --> 01:36:53,640
make so that would make a lot of sense then

2186
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,239
as to why you would have kept him.

2187
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:58,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just asking the question because I agree generally

2188
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:00,840
like to move down and get off money and get

2189
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,600
the guy that and Lively that you targeted, is like

2190
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,520
that was just I think even on Draft night, we

2191
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,800
were like, as one of the better moves almost anybody made.

2192
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:10,479
I've since kind of started to have reservations about Wallace

2193
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,159
maybe being really good, and so I'm coming off that

2194
01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:15,000
a little bit. But yeah, we're we're we're right in

2195
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:18,479
lockstep P plus A minus. Good off season, although like

2196
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,920
how much better is Dallas really relative to the West

2197
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:24,520
teams that's trying to climb over in the standings like

2198
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,640
a little bit, probably because Williams should help and a

2199
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,640
full I just I don't know a good offseason though.

2200
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:33,560
Speaker 2: It's yeah, and it's weird because it's I don't know

2201
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,800
how high I am on them in the context of

2202
01:37:36,119 --> 01:37:38,920
like the Western con like the larger context of the West.

2203
01:37:39,279 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 1: But what what opportunities did they miss right off? And

2204
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:43,680
what did they miss on?

2205
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm uncomfortable with them giving up a twenty

2206
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:51,680
thirty swap, but I'm not like, okay, you know, like

2207
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,319
I just I don't think it was like a disaster.

2208
01:37:54,399 --> 01:37:56,720
If Luca's still there, like you're probably fine and that

2209
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,560
everything's hunky dory and Grant Williams will help you. I

2210
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,319
am going to be fascinated by just their front court

2211
01:38:01,399 --> 01:38:04,039
rotation and as we already mentioned, like how the perimeter

2212
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:06,800
defense is structured. And I also think you know, they're

2213
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:08,880
really high on Jayden Hardy, so like that kind of

2214
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,560
there's overlap there with Kasan Wallace a little bit too.

2215
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 3: And I think there's some Josh Green extension talk too.

2216
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:16,760
I love Josh Green, so I mean that I don't

2217
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,000
know if they.

2218
01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 2: Would be an interesting landing spot if he ends up

2219
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,520
at the minimum for Hamidou Diallo, just like, okay, you're

2220
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,560
like another physical body. But they went to Derek Jones

2221
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,600
junior route already he's not even like more of a

2222
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,560
like I guess, yeah, you could place him, go get

2223
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,720
that wing what he does to you offensively, I know

2224
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,399
people just say space the floor screen and roll with him.

2225
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Like that's just that's not how it works with Derek

2226
01:38:36,039 --> 01:38:36,640
Jones Junior.

2227
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 3: And I would just as you made me think of this.

2228
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,439
I know we're trying to move fast, but Jones was

2229
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,399
like a really vital part of some zone looks on

2230
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,840
defense in Miami that were really good several years ago.

2231
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,159
And so maybe he'd say three years ago was that, Yeah,

2232
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:50,159
it was a while and he hasn't come close again.

2233
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:52,159
Don't go after guys that are leaving the heat, it

2234
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:54,840
doesn't work out. But certainly if you have Kyrie and Luca,

2235
01:38:55,039 --> 01:38:57,079
even Skinny Luca on the floor at the same time,

2236
01:38:57,239 --> 01:38:59,119
you might want to think about some zone stuff and

2237
01:38:59,159 --> 01:39:01,000
maybe that's the idea behind you.

2238
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 2: Do we factor that into the offseason where it's like, oh,

2239
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:06,880
Lucas in the best shape of his life, I mean,

2240
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:08,680
what could matter more?

2241
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:09,359
Speaker 1: Really?

2242
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:10,239
Speaker 3: Like nothing?

2243
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:14,039
Speaker 2: He conditioned Luka Doncrich would be the by far the

2244
01:39:14,039 --> 01:39:15,640
biggest edition of the Mavericks offseason.

2245
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 1: Even what everything they did a minus for me, I'm

2246
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:18,439
giving him a.

2247
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:21,159
Speaker 3: B plus, but it's an A plus if Luca actually

2248
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,600
really stays in this shape and if he has abs,

2249
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,840
if he comes back with I need abs for a name.

2250
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,359
Speaker 2: All right, you got rockets to the Houston Rockets. They

2251
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:33,640
did a bunch, fired Steven Silas, hired he Mayodoka, drafted

2252
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,199
Aman Thompson at number five, drafted Cam Whitmore at number twenty.

2253
01:39:37,239 --> 01:39:38,560
Speaker 1: I have number twenty five written down.

2254
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:39,119
Speaker 3: I'm an idiot.

2255
01:39:39,399 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 2: Traded Brooklyn's own twenty eight second round pick to Brooklyn

2256
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:46,199
for Patty Mills and Milwaukee's his twenty twenty eight second

2257
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,119
They signed Fred Van Fleet to a three year max deal.

2258
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:52,000
There's a team option on the third year his age

2259
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:54,680
thirty one season. They signed Jeff Green to a two year,

2260
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,399
sixteen million dollar deal, the second season of which is

2261
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,319
fully non guaranteed. They signed Jock Landale to a four

2262
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,239
year thirty two million dollar deal, the final three seasons

2263
01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:06,239
of which are non guaranteed. Then, as part of a

2264
01:40:06,319 --> 01:40:08,479
five team trade. If he thought I was gonna mistakenly

2265
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,359
say they saw Patty Mills, they sent out Josh Christopher

2266
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,840
kJ Martin, Patty Mills, Usman Garuba, and ty Ty Washington

2267
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,159
for the rights to Alpha Kaba and Dylan Brooks, who

2268
01:40:19,279 --> 01:40:21,760
was part of this trade, signed a four year, eighty

2269
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,880
six million dollar contract with one million dollars and unlikely

2270
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,359
incentives per year that could bring it up to a

2271
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,279
total value of ninety million. It is on a declining

2272
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,880
scale his salary, and the deal runs through his age

2273
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:37,359
thirty one season. They signed Aaron Holliday, Trevor Hudgens, Jermaine Samuel,

2274
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,840
and Darius Days all got to a contracts and grant

2275
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,560
the biggest news of all, they waived Dation Nicks.

2276
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: He so king Dation.

2277
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:52,079
Speaker 3: This is a great offseason. I think they hit on

2278
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:55,399
both of their draft picks. I think Thompson was absolutely

2279
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:58,479
the right guy there. I think whitmore is. I mean,

2280
01:40:59,239 --> 01:41:02,039
we've talked about this plenty, but a guy that was theoretically,

2281
01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:04,600
you know, top five, top seven, whatever falls to twenty,

2282
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,680
you just take them. You just I don't care what else.

2283
01:41:07,079 --> 01:41:09,319
Just yeah, you just take that guy, especially if you

2284
01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:11,680
know you're you're already have a ton of young guys, like,

2285
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,199
just take the fly or whatever. I've come all the

2286
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,199
way around on the Van Fleet deal just because it's

2287
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:19,319
really a two year max and it's almost impossible to

2288
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,840
have that be a bad deal, really, especially if for

2289
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:25,000
a team that needs someone to organize the offense, to

2290
01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:27,600
make open shots, to just kind of be a professional.

2291
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:29,920
That that's a big deal. I love all the short

2292
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,159
and non guaranteed and team options and all the other

2293
01:41:32,199 --> 01:41:35,319
stuff they did. They really preserved a lot of flexibility. Somehow,

2294
01:41:35,399 --> 01:41:38,560
while spending a bunch of money didn't get brook Lopez.

2295
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,359
I don't know how we've weigh like one of the

2296
01:41:41,399 --> 01:41:44,000
few deals that like everybody seemed to think that was

2297
01:41:44,039 --> 01:41:46,560
gonna happen and then it didn't. I probably would be

2298
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,439
higher on them. I guess if they got Lopez, but

2299
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,960
who knows, maybe maybe they couldn't have got the second

2300
01:41:53,039 --> 01:41:55,439
you know, second year non guarantee or partial or whatever

2301
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:59,039
on that. The only knock is the Brooks deal. I

2302
01:41:59,359 --> 01:42:03,039
think I just don't know if if it's worth it

2303
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:08,800
to me to have his offensive shortcomings on board, even

2304
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:11,720
though you do get great defense. I think probably if

2305
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,439
not for the kind of postseason shenanigans and the just

2306
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:21,319
uptick in I don't know historyonics and like inflammatory comments

2307
01:42:21,319 --> 01:42:23,359
and stuff. If not for that stuff, I think I'd

2308
01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:26,039
probably just view it as well, this is an offense

2309
01:42:26,119 --> 01:42:28,159
defense trade off. It's a little bit of an overpay

2310
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:30,039
for that reason. But now it's kind of like, I

2311
01:42:30,039 --> 01:42:33,880
don't know. Still, this is an anus for me, and

2312
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:35,720
I feel like when I started to say this was

2313
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:37,800
a great offseason, you made a face. So I'm very

2314
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,279
curious where you come down on this.

2315
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,039
Speaker 2: I guess you know, I like am and Tompson more

2316
01:42:42,119 --> 01:42:44,600
than I did leading into the draft, and so getting

2317
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,920
him at four, I prefer Asar Tompson, but I don't

2318
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:50,039
view that as a miss. And they cam Wit Moore

2319
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:53,840
just the value they get from him, I feel like

2320
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:57,039
you're not criticizing them enough for or giving them enough

2321
01:42:57,079 --> 01:43:01,000
of sort of justice pullback for they miss on brook

2322
01:43:01,039 --> 01:43:03,640
Lopez and they clearly misread that situation. Now, the chain

2323
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,159
of events that led to the Dylan Brooks contract that

2324
01:43:06,319 --> 01:43:09,279
got so complicated that his value kept escalating, you know what,

2325
01:43:09,399 --> 01:43:11,479
deals like, they kind of diminish in value after the

2326
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,520
initial reporting. He's just kept climbing. And I think it's

2327
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,359
a I know Emayordoka wanted him. I'm a Fred van

2328
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:20,399
Fleet dining great. I thought way better fit than James

2329
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:23,560
Harden ever was for them, frankly with what they're trying

2330
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,159
to do the two things that I worry about. So

2331
01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:29,079
I mentioned Dylan Brooks already, but specifically, Okay, it's great

2332
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:32,399
that you bring in his defense. Okay, who's your second

2333
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:34,279
best defender in the starting line up now, assuming Aman

2334
01:43:34,319 --> 01:43:36,960
Thompson doesn't start, it's Fred van Vliet. That's a little

2335
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,760
bit of a problem because does Jabari Smith Junior make

2336
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:41,800
the lead big faith in him. I'd love to see

2337
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,239
more of him at the five. I think we will

2338
01:43:43,279 --> 01:43:46,680
see more of him at the five. However, you sign Landale,

2339
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,359
you get Jeff Green. What is the same about what

2340
01:43:49,399 --> 01:43:51,239
you're trying to do at center, Is al Pern Chankle

2341
01:43:51,319 --> 01:43:53,159
gonna have more of a quick hook because I don't

2342
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:55,439
like that. I think al Pernchangin is really good. Does

2343
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:57,279
that make it harder for you to get to Jabari

2344
01:43:57,359 --> 01:43:59,640
Smith Junior at center? I'm not gonna like that either.

2345
01:44:00,039 --> 01:44:01,840
And so it feels like when you look at this

2346
01:44:02,039 --> 01:44:07,640
roster there's just still too much logjamming thiss What is

2347
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,359
happening with Kevin Porter Junior? Here are we just assuming

2348
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,479
Cam Whitmore? Like Ken Port Junior is good, one of

2349
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:14,359
the best pot up shooters in the league. Now, are

2350
01:44:14,399 --> 01:44:16,159
you just not gonna play Cam Whitmore? He's gonna spend

2351
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,199
a lot of time in the G League? There is

2352
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,399
This roster is better from a pure talent perspective, is better?

2353
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,319
And late first round picks or late first round picks

2354
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:27,079
you weren't gonna keep Garuba Washington was drafted last year,

2355
01:44:27,359 --> 01:44:29,720
Josh Christopher kind of flamed out. That's still just like

2356
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,359
a weird chain of events, all of which to get

2357
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:35,159
Dylan Brooks. And yet your depth chart is still so

2358
01:44:35,399 --> 01:44:38,199
complicated to where it's, well, could someone's gonna be left

2359
01:44:38,199 --> 01:44:39,720
out in the cold who shouldn't be And it's like

2360
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,880
is that optionality or is it an unnecessary log jam

2361
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,760
where it's like how much how many minutes does Jayshawn

2362
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,960
Tait get with Brooks and Tarry Easan here and the

2363
01:44:48,039 --> 01:44:49,840
best way to kind of play everybody on the perimeter

2364
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:51,600
is to get more of the Jabari Smith junior at

2365
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,079
the five minutes? Did you make that a little harder?

2366
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:54,319
Speaker 3: Though?

2367
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 2: And so I just think there were chances And I'm

2368
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,359
more worried about the Brooks deal than anything because I

2369
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:03,279
think you're at this stage of the rebuild. It's okay,

2370
01:45:03,359 --> 01:45:05,399
yes we brought in veterans, but like we can still

2371
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:07,640
experiment and having a twelve man rotation is not the

2372
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:09,359
end of the world because we're not making the playoffs.

2373
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,720
The Brooks deal, though, just like it's a and this

2374
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,119
is all to say I gave them a B plus. Yeah,

2375
01:45:15,159 --> 01:45:17,479
we like there are things here I thought about, like

2376
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,760
a B a B minus because to misread the brook

2377
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:24,159
Lopez situation. I think that deeply, like think about how

2378
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:26,680
far into the discussions they got. I mean, you know what,

2379
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,880
I'm gonna give them a bee too, because what deal

2380
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,840
did they win? Or like I can't win more in

2381
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:33,680
great value that's an above average offseason.

2382
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,319
Speaker 1: Still, you didn't win the Van Fleet deal. It's just

2383
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:39,199
not bad. You didn't win the brook Dylan Brooks deal.

2384
01:45:39,239 --> 01:45:41,520
Speaker 2: It's declining. So I think you could say, well, it's

2385
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,279
just not bad. Are they gonna be able to rein

2386
01:45:43,359 --> 01:45:46,600
in his offensive inclinations? That's a bit the Grizzlies couldn't.

2387
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:48,920
What makes us think that Emaneo Oak is gonna be different?

2388
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Maybe he will be.

2389
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,279
Speaker 3: It's a bee, I will say, if you're trying to

2390
01:45:53,399 --> 01:45:57,359
sort of look at the Rockets off season as an

2391
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,119
indicator for what the big picture plans are, it's kind

2392
01:46:01,159 --> 01:46:04,640
of murky just because there really had a bunch of

2393
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:08,439
high lottery picks already. They're adding really two more because

2394
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:11,239
what more sort of is that along with Thompson obviously,

2395
01:46:11,279 --> 01:46:13,920
who literally was a high lottery pick, but then you've

2396
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:17,520
got all these you know, fairly high dollar relatively speaking

2397
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:21,600
on an annual basis, veterans on short deals. So I

2398
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:23,640
would I would push back a little bit on like

2399
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,880
the Logjammy neist doesn't really bother me, because this is

2400
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,399
clearly kind of like a like a one to two

2401
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:33,520
year stopgap situation where I guess the theory. And again

2402
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,399
this gets into the murkiness because I have to guess

2403
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,680
at it is that you know, by the time Jalen

2404
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:41,800
Green is really ready and Jabari Smith Junior is really ready,

2405
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,479
and Thompson like, maybe you're then trading Fred van vliet

2406
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,199
as an expiring contract with other stuff for a star

2407
01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:50,319
for a longer or something. You know, I can't really

2408
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:53,399
figure out exactly what the long term goals are. I

2409
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:57,800
just think in isolation it made sense to just add

2410
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,479
some adults and sort of see what happens. And I

2411
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,520
also I didn't I didn't talk about this enough. I

2412
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:09,159
think probably upgrade from Silas to Odoka is the biggest

2413
01:47:09,319 --> 01:47:12,800
coaching upgrade of any team in the off season unless

2414
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,880
I'm forgetting something. And that might be something that just

2415
01:47:16,199 --> 01:47:19,359
especially with a roster loaded with young guys who've kind

2416
01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:22,199
of gotten to do whatever they wanted, that's not going

2417
01:47:22,279 --> 01:47:25,000
to be how things go anymore. And so that could really,

2418
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:29,840
you know, one start weeding out guys like Kevin Porter Junior,

2419
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:32,399
for example, that's like, this isn't going to be You're

2420
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,079
not gonna be able to play the way you want

2421
01:47:34,119 --> 01:47:36,760
to play here, so we're going to move you and

2422
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,920
it might just sort of give you a better sense

2423
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:42,079
of like what really is Jalen Green, because I don't

2424
01:47:42,279 --> 01:47:45,359
we have an idea like there's this zach lavininess to

2425
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,159
him that you know, maybe that's what it is, but

2426
01:47:47,239 --> 01:47:50,000
maybe it's something totally different. And now that there's accountability

2427
01:47:50,079 --> 01:47:53,479
and organization on both ends of the floor, we'll get

2428
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:54,680
a real clear picture.

2429
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,239
Speaker 1: So I just benefit's from Fred Van Lee's arrival more

2430
01:47:58,279 --> 01:47:58,680
than anyone.

2431
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, for sure. He just take the tough,

2432
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,720
take the five worst shots he takes per game away

2433
01:48:05,319 --> 01:48:08,960
and replace them with like theoretically open looks or just

2434
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,399
he doesn't shoot them at all, and suddenly you know

2435
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:15,039
his inefficiency is like you can deal with it. Yeah, No,

2436
01:48:15,159 --> 01:48:17,359
I think that's right. I like the off season. I

2437
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,840
can see though, like you know, a mishmash of stuff

2438
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:22,640
happening here that doesn't all seem to square.

2439
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,159
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go B plus because you mentioned maybe I'm

2440
01:48:25,159 --> 01:48:28,239
not factoring the coaching bump like on the court enough.

2441
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:32,159
Speaker 1: And the other thing too, is I like that based

2442
01:48:32,199 --> 01:48:34,760
off who they were linked to over the off but

2443
01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:35,840
not going.

2444
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:38,359
Speaker 3: For Harden for it didn't go for Harden totally. Yeah,

2445
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:39,079
it's what that.

2446
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 2: Tells you though at informing the future, and I'm saying

2447
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:43,000
I didn't wait this enough, which is why they're getting

2448
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,520
a B plus, is they're not just gonna go out

2449
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:48,800
and make a trade where it's because they're This felt

2450
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:50,760
more like we don't want to send Okay, see the

2451
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,279
fifth pick, rather than we need to make the playoffs

2452
01:48:53,359 --> 01:48:55,960
right now. And that what that makes you believe is

2453
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,319
if we fast forward to around the trade deadline and

2454
01:48:58,359 --> 01:49:01,600
they're making moves, it's because as they're making a higher

2455
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,199
end move rather than like think about what the Hawks

2456
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:05,920
did with the Jentere Murray, where it was probably more

2457
01:49:06,039 --> 01:49:08,319
justifiable for them. But you're not gonna go after the

2458
01:49:08,359 --> 01:49:11,359
fiftieth best player in the consolidate in the fifty sixtieth

2459
01:49:11,399 --> 01:49:13,920
best player in the NBA. You're gonna aim even higher.

2460
01:49:14,199 --> 01:49:16,079
And I think there was a danger where it was, oh,

2461
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,199
we're trying to accelerate this too much by going for

2462
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:21,279
James Martn's better than the sixtieth best player in the NBA.

2463
01:49:21,399 --> 01:49:23,760
Speaker 1: But you're like too committed to acceleration.

2464
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 2: This was more about I think getting better about the

2465
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,680
pick that they would while improving sort of the circumstances

2466
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,960
both on and off the court, and so I wasn't initially.

2467
01:49:34,039 --> 01:49:35,199
Speaker 1: I just wasn't giving them enough.

2468
01:49:35,039 --> 01:49:37,279
Speaker 3: Credit for that people, And I think too, just the

2469
01:49:37,399 --> 01:49:39,840
last thing i'd say, you know, Houston is one of

2470
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:43,199
those markets that, like your cap space actually does matter.

2471
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:46,079
I think it is a desirable place to be. So

2472
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:49,119
having the flexibility of all these non guarantees and all

2473
01:49:49,159 --> 01:49:51,600
these team options granted like a year or two years

2474
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,880
down the line in Vanvleet's case, preserving some of that

2475
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,880
flexibility to where if you really needed to, you probably

2476
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:01,640
could clear significant space. All these rookie scale deals are

2477
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,119
gonna balloon pretty soon, so that's an issue too. But

2478
01:50:04,199 --> 01:50:06,479
I think we're gonna need some of those out where,

2479
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:10,800
like you're not prevented at all from just saying yeah,

2480
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,800
we could get to forty million, Like we could figure

2481
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,079
that out. You know that that that's on the table too.

2482
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:18,720
So I think it's one of the more interesting offseasons.

2483
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,359
But but yeah, I think I think we're pretty close

2484
01:50:21,399 --> 01:50:21,600
on it.

2485
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:24,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you talked me into what would they

2486
01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:26,479
have gotten for you if they landed brook Lopez. It

2487
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:27,600
might have been an eight plus.

2488
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:29,520
Speaker 3: I think it would have been a flat a for me.

2489
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,039
For although like the money would have mattered, I wonder

2490
01:50:32,079 --> 01:50:33,000
how much they for.

2491
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,239
Speaker 1: Two or three years, it absolutely would not have mattered.

2492
01:50:35,399 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, I just did the vanfleet. I wonder though,

2493
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,439
like how much of this because you may be right

2494
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,039
that they sort of misjudged that situation. I wonder if

2495
01:50:44,079 --> 01:50:46,960
it was just Lopez kind of being ready to take

2496
01:50:47,039 --> 01:50:49,640
a big deal and then kind of just having the

2497
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,000
thought of, like, yeah, but I could go back and

2498
01:50:52,119 --> 01:50:55,560
could contend in a place that has resurrected my career.

2499
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,760
It feels more to me like he just kind of

2500
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,600
had a had a an epiphany and just was like, no,

2501
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:02,479
I can't, I can't do it.

2502
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:05,199
Speaker 2: Like did they give where they offer him like three

2503
01:51:05,359 --> 01:51:08,600
and like seventy or something and he decided to take

2504
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:10,920
two and forty eight eight from maybe I don't know.

2505
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:15,159
Speaker 3: I don't know. That brings us to the Memphis Grizzlies.

2506
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:19,840
Another really interesting offseason for Vision might have.

2507
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 1: Had collectively the most interesting. I mean, the Pelicans did nothing.

2508
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,680
We'll get to that. Like the Spurs were like kind

2509
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:26,760
of all over the place a little bit.

2510
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:30,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess the place to start is the

2511
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:33,760
Grizzlies now have Marcus Smart acquired from Boston and a

2512
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:37,199
three teamer that also involved the Washington Wizards. Tyas Jones

2513
01:51:37,359 --> 01:51:39,319
is gone as a part of that, as are the

2514
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,039
number twenty five pick and a twenty twenty four Golden

2515
01:51:42,039 --> 01:51:44,960
State Warriors first rounder. Dylan Brooks also gone. We just

2516
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:48,119
talked about him. That was initial essentially structured as a

2517
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:50,479
sign and trade that involved the Hawks and the thunder

2518
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:54,479
Desmond Bane signed a five year sub max I believe

2519
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,359
just a little bit one hundred and ninety seven million

2520
01:51:56,359 --> 01:52:00,520
dollar extension. Derreck Rose on board for the minimum. This

2521
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:04,800
was another interesting one, treated three future seconds for swap

2522
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,359
rights on the lesser of Phoenix and Washington's twenty twenty

2523
01:52:07,399 --> 01:52:11,159
four and twenty thirty first and Isaiah Todd drafted Gigi

2524
01:52:11,279 --> 01:52:14,600
Jackson the second and Tarik Boberovich. Sure, I didn't say

2525
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,560
that right at forty five and fifty six respectively. Did

2526
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:20,960
I miss anything of consequence there? I do not think

2527
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:25,239
he so. I guess I won't get my grade yet

2528
01:52:25,239 --> 01:52:28,880
because I led with it last time, the market Smart deal.

2529
01:52:29,239 --> 01:52:31,640
Speaker 2: I was gonna say the one thing they didn't decide well,

2530
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:33,279
and then we'll just get into that because that's more

2531
01:52:33,279 --> 01:52:33,600
of a note.

2532
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,039
Speaker 1: I didn't love the Marcus Smart deal.

2533
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 2: Basically for any team other than the Wizards, and I

2534
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:43,319
understand the so you look at they're catching two percentages.

2535
01:52:43,399 --> 01:52:45,720
Dylan Brooks and Marcus Mart pretty similar over the past

2536
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,720
three years. The difference is that defenses react to markets

2537
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,359
Smart differently, like they will actually guard him more. So, Yes,

2538
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:53,560
that's an upgrade. Do you think he's an upgrade as

2539
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:55,800
a point guard over tyas Jones?

2540
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:56,560
Speaker 1: The answer is no.

2541
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,600
Speaker 2: As a passer and decision maker, the answer is no. Yeah,

2542
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,279
I think he's a better player overall, He's not an

2543
01:53:01,359 --> 01:53:04,000
upgrade as an actual point guard. Now, the fact that

2544
01:53:04,119 --> 01:53:07,800
he can play and close alongside John Moran matters. And

2545
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,640
now you've also rolled him into he's like a wing.

2546
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:12,800
So you play him with Bain because of the way

2547
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,000
he defends, and you play him with Jaw. You can

2548
01:53:15,079 --> 01:53:17,439
win Jaws back from his suspension, so you can't do that.

2549
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,079
It felt like they were trying to check too many

2550
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:23,039
boxes for what they ultimately gave up, which was two

2551
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:25,760
first round picks, including I liked it. The Warriors pick

2552
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:27,880
might have been the best asset of anything, including Jones

2553
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,439
and what turned out to be Marcus Sasser that they

2554
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:34,119
gave up. The player needed to be better than Marcus Smart,

2555
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:38,079
and it also makes me wonder he slipped defensively a

2556
01:53:38,119 --> 01:53:40,319
little bit last year, and so you paid kind of

2557
01:53:40,359 --> 01:53:43,479
peak value for someone who might already be not on

2558
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,680
the steep decline, but not as effective as he was

2559
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:48,439
previously because of the wear and tear Boston put on him.

2560
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,039
And maybe I'm galaxy braining this because I've kind of

2561
01:53:51,079 --> 01:53:53,000
thought I hated. I didn't like the deal for Boston.

2562
01:53:53,279 --> 01:53:55,560
Like I understand the two first round pick value, I

2563
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,239
viewed it more as they extended Porzingis. So I don't

2564
01:53:58,279 --> 01:53:59,600
know what to make of that, but it felt like

2565
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:02,800
from their perspective, it was we're going to capitalize on

2566
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,600
getting rid of Marcus Smart more than we're trying to

2567
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:08,479
get Porzingis. When that framework, and I know they had

2568
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:12,039
a previous deal to get porzingis that didn't include Marcus Smart.

2569
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:16,239
I understand that Marcus Smart can fit, but if you

2570
01:54:16,319 --> 01:54:19,439
were going to roll all of these boxes or want

2571
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:22,159
this one player to wear all of these hats, that

2572
01:54:22,279 --> 01:54:25,199
player needed to be a better shooter than Marcus Smart

2573
01:54:25,319 --> 01:54:28,239
is going to be. And you've now you still have

2574
01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:30,720
the ability to go out and make moves, but like

2575
01:54:31,319 --> 01:54:34,159
you kind of you didn't ruin any flexibility. But like,

2576
01:54:34,479 --> 01:54:38,239
I don't think getting him made you good enough to say, well,

2577
01:54:38,319 --> 01:54:40,640
we still don't need that move that we're all talking about,

2578
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:42,079
which we need this bigger wing.

2579
01:54:43,439 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 3: I think that's a really good way to put it,

2580
01:54:45,039 --> 01:54:47,760
because I I this is a c plus for me,

2581
01:54:48,279 --> 01:54:51,880
and and a lot of that has to do with

2582
01:54:52,039 --> 01:54:53,880
I think Desmond ban is worth that, and I think

2583
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:57,239
getting just deciding you're done with Dylan Brooks is a positive.

2584
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:59,359
The Smart thing is I don't know what to make

2585
01:54:59,399 --> 01:55:01,720
of it. For all the reasons you said, I think

2586
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,600
this is essentially a bet on because they are going

2587
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:07,880
to ask him to do like really the work of

2588
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:11,520
Jones and Brooks basically right, like and and so those

2589
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:14,039
are two guys that mattered a lot. They're asking him

2590
01:55:14,039 --> 01:55:17,039
to do both, and it's a bet on the fact

2591
01:55:17,079 --> 01:55:19,319
that the slippage. I think people that you know watched

2592
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:22,560
Smart last year, people in Boston particularly, would would say,

2593
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,199
like he was not the same defender that he had been.

2594
01:55:25,439 --> 01:55:28,000
I mean, it's crazy, but he was Defensive Player of

2595
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,159
the Year two years ago. I don't know if in

2596
01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:34,359
hindsight that's going to age all that well, but he

2597
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:37,199
was not close to that last season and he's basically

2598
01:55:37,279 --> 01:55:39,760
settled in as like a thirty three three point shooter.

2599
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:46,279
I do think it's a little unfair to say, but

2600
01:55:46,359 --> 01:55:48,399
it's not wrong. But to say, like, well, you know,

2601
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,520
Tias Jones is just a better point guard that is

2602
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:53,199
that is accurate. I think I look at it more

2603
01:55:53,239 --> 01:55:56,680
as like Smart just replaces Brooks in the lineups that

2604
01:55:56,720 --> 01:56:01,000
I really care about, and he's better at basically everything

2605
01:56:01,039 --> 01:56:04,319
on offense than Brooks is, especially if he has to

2606
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:06,560
make a decision with the ball that isn't just take

2607
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:10,039
the worst possible shot you can imagine, which Brooks excels at.

2608
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,840
So yeah, I think in the in the first whatever

2609
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:17,479
was it twenty five games that Moran suspended or twenty what,

2610
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:20,720
I can't remember what it is like, that's not gonna be.

2611
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,359
That's gonna hurt a little bit because he's basically your

2612
01:56:23,399 --> 01:56:26,760
starting point guard and he's probably not as good offensively

2613
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,000
at all that stuff as Jones is. But I think

2614
01:56:29,039 --> 01:56:31,840
in the like fully realized version of this Grizzies team, Smart,

2615
01:56:32,359 --> 01:56:34,560
at least in theory, if he hasn't really fallen off

2616
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:36,960
a ton, or if he can sort of slow the decline.

2617
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:39,560
I like him there in the Brooks role. I think

2618
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,640
I think him Baine and Morant together. I just you

2619
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:45,880
know that's I love that one two three. There's there's

2620
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:49,039
such a diversity of skill between those three guys that

2621
01:56:49,159 --> 01:56:49,800
it works for me.

2622
01:56:50,359 --> 01:56:52,239
Speaker 1: But you you outlined them.

2623
01:56:52,319 --> 01:56:55,359
Speaker 3: I share them. There are real questions about is he

2624
01:56:55,439 --> 01:56:57,399
being asked to do a little bit too much and

2625
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:00,840
and bigger picture, they just still need another guy that

2626
01:57:01,039 --> 01:57:03,680
they still need somebody else to like up up the

2627
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:04,640
ceiling of this team.

2628
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just I'm just wondering how much better

2629
01:57:08,079 --> 01:57:10,640
they are even if the most optimistic vision pans out.

2630
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:13,079
Maybe it's Zia Williams hits you had to jump from

2631
01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:15,640
Santhi Aldama the other thing that they didn't do. And

2632
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,159
I don't know if you gave your grade yet on this,

2633
01:57:17,359 --> 01:57:20,279
but the decision where you have so much room beneath

2634
01:57:20,319 --> 01:57:22,119
the first apron unless you just don't value him.

2635
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: But following the Brandon Clark.

2636
01:57:23,279 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 2: Achilles injury, I don't know how you don't like you

2637
01:57:26,079 --> 01:57:28,840
could have made Xavier Tilbman a free agent. Now handled

2638
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,640
that deal, and just like the deal would yeah, would

2639
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,000
have given him a raise. Maybe he takes a little

2640
01:57:33,039 --> 01:57:35,159
bit less on the back end of it then and

2641
01:57:35,239 --> 01:57:36,840
you also get one of his years out of the

2642
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:39,039
way while you still have all this room under the

2643
01:57:39,039 --> 01:57:41,479
first apron. So I was a little bit surprised that

2644
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:43,920
they didn't go that route. Not a huge because I

2645
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,720
don't think I'm probably lower on Xavier Tillman than most

2646
01:57:47,079 --> 01:57:49,560
like Steven Adams isn't going to be around forever, and

2647
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:51,359
he can do some of the dirty work that Steven

2648
01:57:51,359 --> 01:57:53,680
Adams does, and like, do you always want Jaron Jackson

2649
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:55,960
Junior to be like a solo big at some point?

2650
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the end game here. I was just a

2651
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,840
little It was just like, why didn't you do this now?

2652
01:58:01,039 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 3: Type of Yeah, that's that's fair. There was a C

2653
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:05,640
plus for me, C plus for me for the Griz.

2654
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 2: Oh they got they got a D plus for me.

2655
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:11,119
That's a big You know what, the Desmond Bank contract

2656
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:12,439
people didn't think he was a no brainer.

2657
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:15,039
Speaker 1: You got that without a player option. I will give

2658
01:58:15,039 --> 01:58:15,840
them a C minus.

2659
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,800
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect. So now we're now we're in the neighborhood.

2660
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,600
You have the Pelicans. This will be quick.

2661
01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 1: No, I don't really feel like having the Pelicans. You

2662
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:23,600
want to, you want to think them.

2663
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 2: No, But so the the New Orleans Pelicans. I wonder

2664
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,720
if we're gonna diverge here. But the New Orleans Pelicans

2665
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:32,279
drafted Jordan Hawkins at number fourteen, signed Herb Jones to

2666
01:58:32,319 --> 01:58:34,279
a four year, fifty three point eight million dollar deal

2667
01:58:34,399 --> 01:58:37,119
with no options that runs through his age twenty eight season.

2668
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,319
They waived then re signed EJ. Ladell to a two year,

2669
01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:43,560
six point two million dollar deal. I believe both seasons

2670
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:46,920
are guaranteed. They signed Cody Zeller. They did lose Josh Richardson.

2671
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 1: He went to the Heat. They lost Jackson Hayes and

2672
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:50,359
the Lakers. They waved Garrett Temple.

2673
01:58:50,399 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 2: Don't worry, he landed with the Toronto Raptors and Willie

2674
01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:56,000
hern And Gomez is now with He signed with FC Barcelona.

2675
01:58:56,279 --> 01:58:59,960
I believe grant thoughts on the on the Pelicans offseas

2676
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:02,720
before I get my grade, that this is what I

2677
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:06,479
was thinking about this this morning. We were very you

2678
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:09,640
more so than me, high on the Pelicans at this

2679
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:14,000
time last year, right, And I was justified because after

2680
01:59:14,039 --> 01:59:15,319
a couple of months in the season, they were like

2681
01:59:15,399 --> 01:59:15,920
the second seed.

2682
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 3: I forget what the dates are. There's one of those

2683
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:19,279
things we repeat all the time during the season. But

2684
01:59:19,319 --> 01:59:22,359
they were second in the West in like I don't know, November,

2685
01:59:22,479 --> 01:59:25,520
December something something like that, and it was this is

2686
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:29,880
the next powerhouse that rising. And then everything went to

2687
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:34,239
shit and Zion had his off season and suddenly, you know,

2688
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:37,319
I think most people would be much lower on the

2689
01:59:37,359 --> 01:59:39,119
Pelicans now than they were a year ago, and I

2690
01:59:39,239 --> 01:59:43,079
wonder why, Like how much has If you think about it,

2691
01:59:43,479 --> 01:59:47,079
the roster is not meaningfully different, and I maybe the

2692
01:59:47,159 --> 01:59:51,319
reason is Zion has gone another year without staying healthy.

2693
01:59:51,399 --> 01:59:53,680
Brandon Inger missed a bunch of time. CJ McCollum is

2694
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:56,760
a year older. Jonas Valanceunis is a year older. Like

2695
01:59:57,239 --> 01:59:59,199
maybe that's the reason. But isn't there a case to

2696
01:59:59,279 --> 02:00:02,800
be made, like we should just be as high or

2697
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:06,039
higher on the Pelicans as we were a year ago.

2698
02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:07,880
This isn't an off season question. This is just like

2699
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:10,000
a Macro Pelicans thing that's kind of been bugging me.

2700
02:00:10,319 --> 02:00:13,279
Speaker 2: The only reason you shouldn't be is if okay, you

2701
02:00:13,399 --> 02:00:15,520
just don't trus Zion Williamson to ever play in more

2702
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:17,119
than half the season, which I think is a fair

2703
02:00:17,359 --> 02:00:20,319
skepticism to have, But this is not a team that,

2704
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:24,880
in theory needed to do anything major. I think my

2705
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:27,800
issues if we want to start with the issues, yeah, well,

2706
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:29,640
first of all, I have no issue with the Herb

2707
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:30,479
Jones contract.

2708
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 1: Will the goodwill with.

2709
02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:34,439
Speaker 2: The player and the deal is good enough to where

2710
02:00:34,439 --> 02:00:36,640
it's like, oh, we'll lock that down now, rather than

2711
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:39,000
worrying if he got the free agency. I know we

2712
02:00:39,079 --> 02:00:41,920
talk a lot about, well, our team's actually gonna give

2713
02:00:42,039 --> 02:00:44,640
him a mega offer if his three point shot doesn't improve.

2714
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:47,119
He shot well later end of the season on ultra

2715
02:00:47,439 --> 02:00:49,560
low volume. I don't think his you know, sort of

2716
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,760
floor game in open space came along as much as

2717
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:54,760
the Pelicans would have liked, and I have questions about that.

2718
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:57,840
The guy is going to be an all defense candidate

2719
02:00:57,880 --> 02:00:58,720
for the next half decade.

2720
02:00:58,760 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 1: This goes through his age.

2721
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 2: Twenty eight season, so it's not super old. He will

2722
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:06,359
peak at nine point two percent of the salary cap

2723
02:01:06,479 --> 02:01:09,479
if that, If that don't have a problem with, don't

2724
02:01:09,479 --> 02:01:11,520
be one of those people that's like, well, they ruined flexibility.

2725
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:13,239
Speaker 1: No, they didn't ruin cap space.

2726
02:01:13,319 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 2: And if anything, a year from now, he's more tradable

2727
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:18,680
because he didn't just sign his new deal and he's

2728
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,239
making more money to where now it's easier to match

2729
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:24,039
in other sort of permutations. That was a that was

2730
02:01:24,079 --> 02:01:27,600
a home run deal. I'm actually shocked that he agreed

2731
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:31,319
to it. I would have taken Kobe Buffkin or Keyante

2732
02:01:31,399 --> 02:01:34,560
George at number fourteen. Those were the direct picks that

2733
02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:36,640
went after them. You can't get to man. Grady Dick

2734
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:38,560
would have been way better. He wasn't on the board.

2735
02:01:39,039 --> 02:01:41,439
I don't endok Kobe Bufkin. A lot of people are

2736
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:43,439
lower on him now. I just trust kind of the

2737
02:01:43,439 --> 02:01:45,159
finishing at the rim and his ability to defend and

2738
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:45,800
play off guard.

2739
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:48,000
Speaker 1: I can't I can't hate on it.

2740
02:01:48,039 --> 02:01:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about how Jordan Hark Jordan Hawkins

2741
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:53,359
is shooting. Excuse me, is going to translate? That should

2742
02:01:53,359 --> 02:01:56,840
probably be fine. I think my actual biggest qualm I

2743
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:00,880
would have liked. You've seen them been more aggressive, diversifying

2744
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:03,760
their front court and moving on from yonas Valentiunis was

2745
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,319
there that floor spacing five out there? The answer is,

2746
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:09,560
could they been trying to get into the Christops porzingisweepstakes

2747
02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:12,079
since they have some of these larger contracts. Sure Porzingkas

2748
02:02:12,079 --> 02:02:14,520
already went and got injured on another lower body injury,

2749
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:15,479
plant or fascia.

2750
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,039
Speaker 1: You can't hit on that. Myles Turner's not emanently available.

2751
02:02:19,359 --> 02:02:20,199
What are the names?

2752
02:02:20,399 --> 02:02:21,960
Speaker 2: Like you weren't gonna work out a sign and trade

2753
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:25,000
for Brook Lopez? And so it's I I'm giving them

2754
02:02:25,319 --> 02:02:27,760
in a minus because there's probably they could have done

2755
02:02:28,079 --> 02:02:30,720
to all right, should we've gotten another point guard in here?

2756
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,640
To where what happens if like who is their best

2757
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:35,720
point Like if Jose Alvarado just kind of doesn't hit

2758
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:38,640
next year, who's there? Who's the best point guard on

2759
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:41,239
this roster? Like is it just gonna be Kyra Lewis junior?

2760
02:02:41,239 --> 02:02:43,479
In which case, oh, we can't move in deduct the

2761
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,039
tax because he's our best point guard. Maybe they'll move

2762
02:02:46,079 --> 02:02:50,119
in before the season they have there. I'm gonna make

2763
02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:51,920
this is what I want to make clear their ceiling.

2764
02:02:52,199 --> 02:02:54,520
And you cannot say this about every team with this

2765
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:58,319
current personnel right now, even with well will yonis Valento

2766
02:02:58,479 --> 02:02:58,760
is closed?

2767
02:02:58,760 --> 02:02:59,399
Speaker 1: Will he not close?

2768
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:02,920
Speaker 2: Is they won an NBA title, They didn't need to

2769
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:05,600
do anything major. They're going to be fine. If Zion

2770
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:09,000
Williamson is healthy, if he plays in give me fifty

2771
02:03:09,079 --> 02:03:12,159
five fifty three games of Zion Williamson. This is a

2772
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:14,840
top four team in the West. I don't know what

2773
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:17,279
does he look like in the playoffs? YadA, YadA, YadA.

2774
02:03:17,600 --> 02:03:19,600
They didn't need to do anything major. If you're gonna

2775
02:03:20,199 --> 02:03:23,439
make more of a macro decision, you need to wait.

2776
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:25,640
Maybe if he gets injured again, do you do something

2777
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:28,520
at the trade deadline? Do you make it next off season?

2778
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:31,159
They were clearly interested in Scoot Henderson, not at the

2779
02:03:31,199 --> 02:03:32,960
expense of Zion Williamson, and you and I had a

2780
02:03:33,039 --> 02:03:33,880
debate on that.

2781
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:36,720
Speaker 1: They didn't need to do that. They didn't need to

2782
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:38,279
get rid of Zion, They didn't need to get rid

2783
02:03:38,279 --> 02:03:39,039
of brandon Ingram.

2784
02:03:39,359 --> 02:03:41,520
Speaker 2: Are you like, oh, should they be extending brandon Ingram

2785
02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:43,239
right now? Do you want to penalize them for that?

2786
02:03:43,319 --> 02:03:45,039
I don't know why you would. This is an a

2787
02:03:45,239 --> 02:03:47,479
minus because and I might even go be I would

2788
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:49,319
have liked to have seen them been more aggressive and

2789
02:03:49,479 --> 02:03:52,960
chasing trades, but I'm also looking at the landscape, what

2790
02:03:53,399 --> 02:03:57,119
and who was realistically out there for them to chase,

2791
02:03:57,239 --> 02:03:59,640
and they just didn't have. If you wanted to say, well, man,

2792
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:01,760
this is team that really should have gotten in with

2793
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:05,439
the Monte Morris sweepstakes. They're in this situation right now

2794
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:08,279
when they're giving up that type of salary matching to

2795
02:04:08,359 --> 02:04:11,520
get even a nine million dollar player. You're not giving

2796
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:14,760
up Dyson Daniels for Monte Morris. You're not giving up

2797
02:04:15,359 --> 02:04:17,239
are do you even want to give u? Larry Nantz Junior.

2798
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:18,239
Speaker 1: At this point?

2799
02:04:18,319 --> 02:04:20,239
Speaker 2: And then it's like, well, teams aren't just gonna accept

2800
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:23,760
Kyra Lewis as filler. You're gonna have to attach something

2801
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:26,720
to that. So you know, is Cody Zeller the perfect

2802
02:04:27,079 --> 02:04:28,920
sort of backup or if you want to call him

2803
02:04:29,399 --> 02:04:32,079
Zion Giannis Larry Nance and then there's Cody Zeller as

2804
02:04:32,079 --> 02:04:33,840
your fourth big I don't hate it.

2805
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:35,439
Speaker 1: I'd prefer Bismack Bumble just sitting there.

2806
02:04:35,439 --> 02:04:37,359
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't space the floor, isn't as good

2807
02:04:37,359 --> 02:04:38,439
as a pastor as Cody Zeller.

2808
02:04:38,479 --> 02:04:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't care.

2809
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:41,840
Speaker 2: It's just what what did people want them to do?

2810
02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:43,920
And the fact that they did to herb Jones deal

2811
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,159
now I think is a bonus, not some sort of

2812
02:04:46,319 --> 02:04:48,880
ham stringing decision that it's been painted as.

2813
02:04:49,239 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 3: All Right, so I have to say that.

2814
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:53,119
Speaker 1: More impassioned than you thought it was gonna get the

2815
02:04:53,560 --> 02:04:54,640
word you.

2816
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:56,920
Speaker 3: This is the most I'm gonna move a grade because

2817
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:59,000
of your impassioned defense. So he's basically like you were

2818
02:04:59,039 --> 02:05:01,319
talking to me because I I was initially I was

2819
02:05:01,359 --> 02:05:03,479
at a C minus on this on the thinking of

2820
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:07,680
what about a consolidation trade? Why is Valanchounas still here?

2821
02:05:08,319 --> 02:05:11,880
All this other stuff, but your case for they didn't

2822
02:05:11,880 --> 02:05:14,479
really have the ability to do the types of things

2823
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:16,479
that I, in a perfect world would have liked them

2824
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:19,680
to do. That being said, the only thing I really

2825
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:22,640
objectively liked is the Herb Jones deal, which we've lauded

2826
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:26,119
sufficiently now. So I'm gonna move from a C minus

2827
02:05:27,079 --> 02:05:29,760
because it was unfair to say, well, you should have

2828
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,680
done all these other things when those weren't really on

2829
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:34,600
the table, to a C plus, which still gives us

2830
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:37,319
a probably our biggest disparity.

2831
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:40,840
Speaker 1: I bunked at Pelicans fans. My venmo is defa valid

2832
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:41,800
two zero three three.

2833
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:46,359
Speaker 2: You can compensate me for talking grant into an above

2834
02:05:46,399 --> 02:05:46,920
average grade.

2835
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:49,239
Speaker 3: Above average grade? Yeah again, C plus is good. No,

2836
02:05:49,439 --> 02:05:51,960
I Yeah, I think I think you're right. I think

2837
02:05:52,039 --> 02:05:54,920
I was too low on them. And especially that's silly

2838
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:57,199
because I led this whole thing with like, why shouldn't

2839
02:05:57,239 --> 02:05:59,039
we think the Pelicans are just as good as they

2840
02:05:59,079 --> 02:06:01,720
were a year ago? Yeah, this is one of those

2841
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:05,760
where the the specifics with respect to like what was

2842
02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:10,680
actually a plausible thing that could have happened for this team. Uh,

2843
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:14,000
just make it such that like they didn't. Yeah, no

2844
02:06:14,119 --> 02:06:16,840
Miles Turner, no Porzingis, there wasn't. There wasn't a You.

2845
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:21,840
Speaker 2: Could probably take just bigger issue with them not actively

2846
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:25,359
pursuing like guard upgrades, where it's like Shake Milton would

2847
02:06:25,359 --> 02:06:27,600
have been really good for this team. Like that would

2848
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,880
be something you could take issue with more than just

2849
02:06:31,079 --> 02:06:32,840
the front court player they need.

2850
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he's available, it's not.

2851
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:38,880
Speaker 2: Pascal Siakam, Joel Embiid would be just an interesting proposition.

2852
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:39,039
Speaker 1: For this team.

2853
02:06:39,359 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 2: I think the theory of porzingis, but you have Zion

2854
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:43,720
on your team, and look, even Ingram has been injured

2855
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:45,840
and you want to get into Christaps Porzingi's business, No

2856
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:47,119
fucking thank you.

2857
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:50,800
Speaker 1: I think they're surprised you're as low as a C plus.

2858
02:06:50,840 --> 02:06:53,359
Speaker 2: I guess I would say the guard thing is that

2859
02:06:53,399 --> 02:06:55,520
they just like you get and like there might be

2860
02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:57,399
a there was an upgrade to make at the point

2861
02:06:57,439 --> 02:06:57,960
guard spot.

2862
02:06:58,279 --> 02:07:01,439
Speaker 3: I think too, we could be talking this time next

2863
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:05,840
year and this season has gone the same or worse

2864
02:07:06,119 --> 02:07:08,279
than twenty one twenty two or twenty two to twenty

2865
02:07:08,359 --> 02:07:11,319
three for the same reasons, which is like Zion can't

2866
02:07:11,359 --> 02:07:14,239
stay healthy and Ingram just you know, is in and out,

2867
02:07:14,279 --> 02:07:16,159
and McCollum is aging and like.

2868
02:07:16,319 --> 02:07:17,880
Speaker 1: At that point, I think it will.

2869
02:07:18,439 --> 02:07:20,920
Speaker 3: So if we end up in basically coming off a

2870
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:24,039
similar year for all the same reasons, then it may,

2871
02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:26,720
in hindsight, be fair to criticize them for maybe we

2872
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:29,359
should have looked maybe they didn't look hard enough at

2873
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:32,640
moving Zion while there was still some value and he

2874
02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:36,279
wasn't just about to log another twenty something game season

2875
02:07:36,399 --> 02:07:38,840
or whatever it is. But that's like, that's based on

2876
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:41,159
so much speculation. That's kind of an unfair thing to

2877
02:07:41,239 --> 02:07:41,680
put out there.

2878
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:42,720
Speaker 1: The other thing is is that.

2879
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:47,279
Speaker 2: I don't like Zion's peak value might have already passed,

2880
02:07:47,319 --> 02:07:48,880
and so you're kind of in the situation where it's

2881
02:07:49,399 --> 02:07:52,000
if Zion just isn't who the player you expect to be,

2882
02:07:52,039 --> 02:07:56,199
you're totally fucked right anyway, what are you supposed to do. Yeah,

2883
02:07:56,279 --> 02:07:58,159
and so I'm just like, look like we had a

2884
02:07:58,239 --> 02:08:00,479
debate and I considered it if if Portland would take

2885
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:01,159
Zion for the.

2886
02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:01,840
Speaker 1: Number three pick.

2887
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:05,439
Speaker 2: We were that high on Scoot you especially like I

2888
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:07,640
became more smitten with him after Summer League, like you

2889
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:10,880
were on the Scoot Henderson bandwagon way before I think

2890
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:12,039
even before he came out of the womb.

2891
02:08:12,039 --> 02:08:13,319
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, so.

2892
02:08:14,399 --> 02:08:17,039
Speaker 2: But like it just it wasn't out there, and it's

2893
02:08:17,359 --> 02:08:19,680
if you're looking for something nuclear and I'm not taking

2894
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:22,920
there is at some point if Zion is Zion's healthy

2895
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:25,119
this year at the trade deadline, and they don't approach

2896
02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:28,520
that with a sense of aggressive urgency, that's a separate grade.

2897
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:30,239
That's a separate thing to talk about. It's not the

2898
02:08:30,319 --> 02:08:32,640
off season. We fast over the next offseason and they're

2899
02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:34,560
still kind of nonchalant. If they don't win the title

2900
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:37,720
or make the conference finals, or Zion's not healthy, that's

2901
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:40,680
when you like he is he's going into his age

2902
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:43,359
twenty three season, right or he's still twenty three. But

2903
02:08:43,399 --> 02:08:45,039
I think though it's his age twenty three season, you'll

2904
02:08:45,039 --> 02:08:47,800
be going into like this is maybe it's the last

2905
02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:49,960
offseason of kind of viewing it this way, but it

2906
02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:53,560
was still relative to the options available, it's the best.

2907
02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:56,560
It's the best way to view this summer for them,

2908
02:08:56,640 --> 02:08:59,600
and I just I actually think if your grade makes

2909
02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:01,199
more sense to me, is like, well, like, why didn't

2910
02:09:01,239 --> 02:09:03,319
they just go out and get like a guard, like

2911
02:09:03,359 --> 02:09:04,800
a veteran guard, for so cheap?

2912
02:09:05,279 --> 02:09:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair? All right? We got one more here.

2913
02:09:08,359 --> 02:09:12,279
This is the San Antonio Spurs drafted some tall guy

2914
02:09:12,399 --> 02:09:15,479
from France, Victor woman. I'm a I'm not familiar. We

2915
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:18,319
don't need to belabor that one got Chetty Osmond, Lamar

2916
02:09:18,359 --> 02:09:20,720
Stevens and a future second by kind of sliding into

2917
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:24,880
this struce deal between Miami and Cleveland did something basically similar,

2918
02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:27,760
getting Reggie Bulock to future seconds and twenty thirty swap

2919
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:30,279
rights from Dallas for getting into the Grant Williams sign

2920
02:09:30,359 --> 02:09:34,159
and trade between Boston and Dallas. Acquired campaign a future

2921
02:09:34,199 --> 02:09:36,319
second in cash from Phoenix. Signed Trey Jones for two

2922
02:09:36,399 --> 02:09:41,119
years nineteen million. Love that signed Julian Champane Champanie Is

2923
02:09:41,159 --> 02:09:44,199
that right? Am? I getting that right close? Champagnie Champannee

2924
02:09:44,399 --> 02:09:47,000
for four years, twelve million. I don't know if it's

2925
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:49,439
a team option or non guaranteed, but basically the last

2926
02:09:49,479 --> 02:09:51,960
three years, the Spurs are not necessarily on the hook

2927
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:56,000
for of those four years lost Keita Bates, Gap, Romeo Langford,

2928
02:09:56,039 --> 02:10:00,439
Gorgy Jang, and also gave Greg Papovich five your eighty

2929
02:10:00,479 --> 02:10:05,199
million dollar extension. That's wild. So, I mean, I don't

2930
02:10:05,239 --> 02:10:07,359
know what you do with that, but that that was

2931
02:10:07,399 --> 02:10:11,800
a significant thing that the Spurs did. Otherwise, like you know,

2932
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:14,399
got Wemby, but other than that kind of uneventful. Other

2933
02:10:14,479 --> 02:10:17,800
than just kind of finding ways to insert themselves into

2934
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:21,199
deals as like a third party to kind of grease

2935
02:10:21,239 --> 02:10:24,079
the skids. I don't know what to do with the

2936
02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:27,520
Wimbin Yama draft pick. It was great franchise altering, but

2937
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:31,199
it was also like not a decision basically. So this

2938
02:10:31,399 --> 02:10:34,159
is a B plus for me, just because I liked

2939
02:10:34,479 --> 02:10:37,600
the opportunistic kind of bent to the off season where

2940
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:40,840
we're going to just find ways to extract assets from

2941
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:43,199
other teams that can't just deal directly with each other.

2942
02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:46,239
And I think the trade Jones deal two years nineteen

2943
02:10:46,359 --> 02:10:48,880
is terrific. I think I think he's like a low

2944
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:52,640
end starter at worst and can be much better than that,

2945
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:57,159
and he's getting paid like eighth ninth man money. So yeah,

2946
02:10:57,199 --> 02:10:59,279
pretty pretty high on it even if we just I

2947
02:10:59,319 --> 02:11:01,199
don't know if you have. If you factor in Wim

2948
02:11:01,239 --> 02:11:02,960
Binyama and what he's gonna mean, it's an a plus.

2949
02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:03,960
But I just don't know what to do.

2950
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:07,239
Speaker 2: You can't because that was there wasn't a decision to

2951
02:11:07,279 --> 02:11:09,159
make it sound like there was a debate, So they don't.

2952
02:11:09,239 --> 02:11:11,319
They don't get credit for rich Webenyama. With that said,

2953
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:13,880
I still give them an a nice I love the

2954
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:17,399
Champagni deal. I love getting Reggie Bulock getting the twenty

2955
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:20,479
thirty Dallas spot. They made excellent use of their cap

2956
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:23,000
space and the Thunder did not, And that's fair to say.

2957
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:24,560
Speaker 1: Now I have a quipple.

2958
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:28,039
Speaker 2: Oh actually two other things, well, one other thing getting

2959
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:31,000
Dominic Barlow back on a two way I'm just based

2960
02:11:31,039 --> 02:11:35,079
off like his goosies, wingspan, like physical tools and some

2961
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:38,359
of the flashes he's sewn on ball offensively. How is

2962
02:11:38,359 --> 02:11:40,560
there not like an NBA deal out there?

2963
02:11:41,039 --> 02:11:42,920
Speaker 3: He really stood out at Summer League. Girl, I think

2964
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:45,119
I'm a surprise someone didn't come in and just give

2965
02:11:45,199 --> 02:11:46,319
him a fully guaranteed So.

2966
02:11:46,439 --> 02:11:49,840
Speaker 2: Still kind of having the option of him just being

2967
02:11:49,960 --> 02:11:53,199
there is a win for them. The Greg pavishily, I

2968
02:11:53,239 --> 02:11:55,079
didn't even have that my notes. I totally forgot about that.

2969
02:11:55,199 --> 02:11:57,600
I love that, just like there's certainty there and it

2970
02:11:57,720 --> 02:12:01,159
just makes it forget about Wembin Yama. The message that

2971
02:12:01,239 --> 02:12:03,119
might send to other players that are just like, if

2972
02:12:03,119 --> 02:12:06,199
you're talking trades, eventually, oh, Pops under contract, I can

2973
02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:07,760
go play for Pop for more than a second.

2974
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:12,439
Speaker 1: I think that matters. My quibbo would be which of

2975
02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:13,479
these deals that.

2976
02:12:13,560 --> 02:12:16,960
Speaker 2: You pulled off would have prevented you from throwing your

2977
02:12:17,079 --> 02:12:20,279
cap space to inflate the deal on Austin Reeves for

2978
02:12:20,319 --> 02:12:23,840
the Lakers or another restricted free agent maybe not like

2979
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:27,760
Cam Johnson for the Nets. I don't think there was enough.

2980
02:12:28,039 --> 02:12:30,840
Restricted free agent like PJ. Washington wouldn't have been it

2981
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,359
for me. I also would have been rather I would

2982
02:12:33,359 --> 02:12:36,079
prefer Brook Lopez here to play with Wemby than than

2983
02:12:36,119 --> 02:12:38,359
the Rockets. Like could you have been in on that

2984
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:41,079
and like Gon just been like, hey Brooke, we'll just

2985
02:12:41,159 --> 02:12:43,319
give you the max for what you want a one

2986
02:12:43,399 --> 02:12:46,159
year like what is it? Forty something million dollar deal?

2987
02:12:46,279 --> 02:12:48,399
Like all right, they couldn't go that high. But so

2988
02:12:48,479 --> 02:12:51,119
they could have done something like that. That's just my

2989
02:12:51,319 --> 02:12:55,800
only qualm. And but because the players that they I

2990
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:58,800
would have been okay with them doing that for were

2991
02:12:58,840 --> 02:13:01,760
so specific and the list probably tops out at three.

2992
02:13:02,279 --> 02:13:04,800
When you're looking at like it's I can't be like, oh,

2993
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:06,239
and you don't get an A plus because you.

2994
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:08,760
Speaker 1: Didn't do anything groundbreaking. I think you were just smart.

2995
02:13:09,239 --> 02:13:11,680
Speaker 2: And if the webin Yama pick was made and there

2996
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:14,239
was a debate between him and Scoot, and you made

2997
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:16,319
the webin Yama pick, like I said to you, I

2998
02:13:16,359 --> 02:13:18,720
saw his worst game of Summer League.

2999
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:20,520
Speaker 1: And I thought he was gonna be like the greatest player.

3000
02:13:22,279 --> 02:13:23,880
Speaker 3: Do you think if they go what would have been

3001
02:13:24,079 --> 02:13:26,479
four for like ninety eight or like one oh one

3002
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:28,600
for Reeves? I forget where it would have topped out?

3003
02:13:29,479 --> 02:13:32,600
The Lakers just they just match right, like, is there

3004
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:35,479
any chance they get him, get Austin Reeves?

3005
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:37,640
Speaker 1: If if you don't want Austin.

3006
02:13:37,359 --> 02:13:39,359
Speaker 2: Reeves, I understand that, But you could have gone like

3007
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:42,000
there was a there was an in between, like you

3008
02:13:42,039 --> 02:13:44,279
could give a smaller poison pill, then like you have

3009
02:13:44,359 --> 02:13:46,520
to go four for nine figures. I would have paid

3010
02:13:46,600 --> 02:13:48,800
him for for nine figure I'm saying, but if you

3011
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:51,079
didn't want him, you could have done something like four

3012
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:53,199
and eighty and just been like, we really fucked with

3013
02:13:53,279 --> 02:13:54,039
the Lakers books.

3014
02:13:54,359 --> 02:13:56,520
Speaker 3: Do you think that precludes them from getting into the

3015
02:13:56,720 --> 02:13:58,840
sign and trades though? Like would that have tied things

3016
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:02,760
up between So maybe don't get a Bullock in that swap,

3017
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:05,319
or they don't get Osmond and Stevens and you know,

3018
02:14:05,800 --> 02:14:07,399
I forget a future second or something.

3019
02:14:08,720 --> 02:14:12,319
Speaker 2: It ties up your cap space for what forty eight hours? Yeah,

3020
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:16,119
I just they didn't make the Cleveland deal. Didn't because

3021
02:14:16,119 --> 02:14:17,960
I guess because you agree to it earlier. But like,

3022
02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:20,479
I think the most important thing they did with their

3023
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:23,520
cap space, I mean even getting campaign it's like another ballhand.

3024
02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:25,880
I get it makes sense, but like that didn't happen

3025
02:14:25,960 --> 02:14:28,039
the Spurs deal with Reggie Bullock and Grant Williams.

3026
02:14:28,119 --> 02:14:30,840
Speaker 1: That leak that was complete on July twelfth. Yeah, you

3027
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:32,319
had time to go out there and be.

3028
02:14:32,479 --> 02:14:35,439
Speaker 3: Like, hey, to mess up the Lakers plans.

3029
02:14:35,720 --> 02:14:38,279
Speaker 2: Now, maybe there were some urgency with the Calves deal

3030
02:14:38,399 --> 02:14:40,279
because they wanted Shrew so bad, but like if you

3031
02:14:40,359 --> 02:14:42,279
miss out on Jeddi Osmond, who gives you some shooting

3032
02:14:42,319 --> 02:14:45,039
and waving Lamar Stevens and at a twenty thirty second

3033
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:49,479
then okay, like right, no great offseason.

3034
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Speaker 3: I just you know, it's it's kind of funny that

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like we're just not considering women, Yama, but we just

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we just can't do it. So h that's gonna do

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it though, for our what sixth and final off season

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Division grade extravaganza bonanza. So, Dan, unless you have anything

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to add, I will take us out by encouraging everyone.

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First of all, thanking everyone for listening, watching, participating. If

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you are you know, commenting on any of the Twitter

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links we put out, or you know, just getting in

3043
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there on the mentions on at Hardwood Knocks on Twitter

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and TikTok at Hardwood Underscore Knocks on Instagram. You if

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you're not already doing this, I don't know how you're

3046
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listening to us. If you aren't, but please rate, review, subscribe,

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whether you're on Apple, whether you're whether you're on Spotify,

3048
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whether you're watching us on YouTube, leave us comments, Tell

3049
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:42,079
your friends, share our links that we put out that

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I say we that Dan so conscientiously puts out through

3051
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all of our social channels. If you have done all

3052
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those things, also you can get our merch which to

3053
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,720
the link to which is in the podcast and YouTube description.

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And if you have done all that stuff, thanks, no more,

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no more request, no notes uh and we will close

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as per usual by shouting out the wonder only Frank

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Nelatina and apologize to jaredy