WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:18.320 All right, what's up? We're live now. This is an 2 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:21.960 odd time. I don't know. Maybe it's too early. People 3 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:27.000 don't have their debate testicles dropping yet too early in 4 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:29.920 the morning. They're too childlike they just came out of 5 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.679 the womb at the dawn of the morning. I don't 6 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:38.479 know what that means, but welcome everybody. It's an open debate, 7 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:43.399 and as you guys know, that means that nobody will 8 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:46.039 ever ask questions on the topic or stick to the topic. 9 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:47.439 They will talk about. 10 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.000 The dumbest stuff you've ever heard of, and they will 11 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.039 not know how to unmute themselves because that's always what happens. 12 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.359 So there's no point in even talking about it. We 13 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.159 got one person already. The topics, as you guys can see, 14 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:06.680 are Catholics, Muslims, Protestant, Atheist, Arian, Hebrew Roots, Joe's Witnesses, Mormons, 15 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:11.319 cult sex, black, Hebrew Israelites, whatever we can get our 16 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.840 hands on today. It's all on the table. 17 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:16.480 I have. 18 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:22.439 There's a black man, atheist, black science atheist man who's 19 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:28.439 talking smack. Hopefully he'll come. Usually when I put sneak 20 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:32.159 O and Tate in the title, it brings Muslims, but 21 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:34.799 I don't know. I don't know what we're gonna get today. 22 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.159 We've got row row dig. 23 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:57.760 What's up, dude, gotta I'm mute, man, Come on, I'm mute. 24 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:00.480 Roe dig Do you want to all? You have to 25 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:15.479 unmute yourself? Okay, whatever, better than you. Here's the guy 26 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.919 talking smack. Here we go. What's up? He's gonna set 27 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:18.319 it straight? 28 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.360 Man? You just you just predict that. 29 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:28.240 Yeah, what's up? What's up? 30 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:29.120 Doll? You doing? 31 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:29.400 Man? 32 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:31.439 Yeah? What how's it going? 33 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:32.159 God? 34 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.800 You're gonna set as straight to disprove the existence of God? 35 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:36.080 Is that? 36 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:36.479 What's up? 37 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:37.360 Oh? 38 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:41.159 I'm I'm I'm from the Church of Letter the Saints, 39 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:42.639 So I'm a Mormon. 40 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:44.560 Are you trolling? You're joking? 41 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.759 No, I'm like, I'm dead ass, I'm like a Mormon. 42 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.599 So like you sound like a black dude though they 43 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.120 don't really like black dudes and Mormonism. 44 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.520 Yeah, but like you know, I just try to be different. 45 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:56.400 I'm just trying to be Like. 46 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.439 You're trolling. You said that, you said follow the you 47 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.159 know what I mean? Uh huh, Yeah, you're troulling. You 48 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:03.960 said that you didn't believe in gods, and now you're 49 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:04.400 a Mormon. 50 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:04.960 You're joking. 51 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:11.759 Yeah, okay, So how can you prove God's. 52 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.719 Existence the transcendental argument? 53 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:17.759 Okay, so can you elaborate on it? 54 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:18.879 Yeah? 55 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:22.159 Without God's existence, it would be impossible to give a 56 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:27.360 philosophical justification for one's worldview. That's how tag goes. 57 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.919 Aren't worldview subjective? 58 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.560 No, I mean that would be a self defeating position 59 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:37.680 if you believe that worldviews were all subjective. 60 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.599 So you don't think we would have different worlds. 61 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.840 Having different worldview doesn't. That doesn't entail that they're all subjective. 62 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:48.879 That's a non secutor. 63 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.639 So do you think all world views are the same? 64 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.840 No, at route, everybody has a worldview, but not everybody 65 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.360 has the same worldview. But that doesn't mean that everybody's 66 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:02.439 worldviews are the same. 67 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.240 Yeah, so they're not the same. 68 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.840 Right, But that doesn't entail relativism. So you understand that 69 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:14.800 relativism will be a false conclusion from the fact that 70 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:18.319 we have our own world views because there are things 71 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:25.160 that we all share in common. Right, So, for example, 72 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.000 you've got to have you got to have some account 73 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:31.920 of knowledge or ethics in your worldview. So the question is, well, 74 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:35.040 who has a consistent, coherent account of knowledge and ethics. 75 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.879 Let me give another example of why would be impossible 76 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:42.519 to say that worldviews are all subjective. If worldviews were 77 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.800 all subjective, you couldn't say all worldviews are subjective because 78 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.439 that would be a non subjective truth claim. That would 79 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:54.040 be an objective truth claim. Okay, so it would be 80 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:54.720 self defeating. 81 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:56.720 But how does that link to God? 82 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.600 Well, because if we're going to I have to give 83 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:03.959 an account for our worldview, and that what I believe 84 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.480 a worldview is is some basic commitments within the domains 85 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:12.879 of epistemology, which is the doctrine of knowledge, ethics are 86 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.680 right and wrong, and metaphysics what exists and what doesn't. 87 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.040 So those three things make up a worldview, and we 88 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.399 either have an account for that worldview or we don't. 89 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.319 If God exists in the Christian worldview, then there's a 90 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:29.120 reason and a basis for believing in the basic principles 91 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.519 of epistemology, metaphysics, and ethics. If there's no God, there 92 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.680 is no basis for having knowledge at all. You could 93 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:37.360 justify your knowledge claims. 94 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.000 Okay, but well, I could go into all of that, 95 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.879 But how do you link it to God? You could 96 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:48.319 link it to anything. How do you specifically just link. 97 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:48.519 It to God. 98 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:53.879 Well, not anything can give a justification. So there's all 99 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.759 kinds of things I could say therefore potato chips, right, 100 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.680 But potato chips doesn't provide any justification for the principles 101 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:08.920 that I'm utilizing, like logic, like reasoning, like mathematical principles, 102 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.040 et cetera. All those things that are necessary to have 103 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:15.199 a coherent worldview. They're not justified by me just saying anything. 104 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.040 There's some kind of being that gives an account for 105 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.519 them and grounds them, and that's precisely what God does. 106 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:24.199 God is the type of being who would ground and 107 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.000 give an account for those types of things. 108 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.680 But again, you're just assuming that there's a being that's 109 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:30.480 accounting for that. 110 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.800 I'm not just assuming it. I'm making the argument. It's 111 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.800 a transcendental argument, has an actual form to the argument. 112 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:37.680 It's a circular argument, because how do. 113 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:38.759 You prove that that's circular? 114 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.319 The circular the argument is proven by the impossibility of 115 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.920 the of the contrary. That's a reductio argument. 116 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.040 No, it's not, because there could be other possibilities. You 117 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.600 just don't know of any and you just assume it's God. 118 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.279 There could be other possibilities could there. 119 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:58.000 Be there can't be other possibilities because it's set up 120 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.240 in a disjunct of it in an either or you. 121 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.000 Said they can't or can't there. 122 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:06.160 Cannot be because the argument that because because there's a 123 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:08.759 limited number of options whereas to where you can go 124 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.680 in terms of a worldview, for example, No, there's not that. 125 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.639 So you wouldn't be able to tell me if. 126 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.560 You It doesn't require omniscience to make that statement. I 127 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.040 can make that statement because there's a limited number of 128 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.240 places that you can go to begin any worldview. Any 129 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:26.759 there's not an infinite number of. 130 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.000 Story There is not an infinite to what you could 131 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.480 link it to. And that's what I'm I'm saying. There's 132 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.839 not not a limit to where you could link it to. 133 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:36.839 You could link it, but there is being a god. 134 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:39.600 You could link it to being anything else, but. 135 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:43.399 Then linked to anything else will not do the work 136 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.319 of justification, because you need a certain type of being 137 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.839 to ground the things that we're talking about. 138 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:51.959 What's that justificating? 139 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.240 What justification is a principle in epistemology. It's giving an 140 00:07:56.279 --> 00:08:00.600 account justified true belief for the knowledge you know. 141 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:04.560 Nothing else could justify justify what you just said. 142 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.079 Because there's a limited number of starting points for any 143 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.279 possible worldview. There's not an infinite number of worldviews in 144 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:11.480 terms of starting points. 145 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.439 What define worldview already did? 146 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:19.199 It's the basic commitments to the principles that we have 147 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:21.959 in terms of epistemology, metaphysics, and ethics. 148 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:22.720 That's a worldview. 149 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:27.800 So for example, let me let me give you an example. 150 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.040 Let me give you an example. Let's say, let's take ethics. 151 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.759 Since you mentioned that there's not an infinite number of 152 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:41.759 possibilities between knowledge, for example, ethics either being objective or subjective. Right, Okay, 153 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.120 so there's not an infinite that's in either or that's 154 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:47.000 a disjunctive. So there's not an infinite number of possibilities 155 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.840 in that question. So therefore, the way you answer that 156 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:54.080 question will determine a large portion of your worldview after that. 157 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.919 That's why I don't have to refute every single worldview. 158 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.840 But you can justify your worldview by not defuting the 159 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:06.720 other ones, because you're you're just assuming your. 160 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:10.080 Worlds view is right without knowing all of the other 161 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:10.840 world views. 162 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.120 Again, I don't have to refute every single worldview because 163 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.120 there's a limited number of worldviews from the vantage point 164 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:18.000 of starting points. 165 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.399 So how do you know your worldview is correct. 166 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:24.360 Because that's the only one that gives an account for 167 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.399 the basic principles that are listed. 168 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.440 Of pistemology, what else, metaphysics and ethics? 169 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.720 Right, So you need all three of those things to 170 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.559 have a worldview. They're all they all kind of go together. 171 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:43.279 So if I can argue that, for example, that universal concepts, 172 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:47.000 mathematical principles, et cetera, those things can't be reduced to matter, 173 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.600 and if God exists, then it makes sense why there 174 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.120 would be those things, why the would be immaterial things 175 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:58.639 like laws or laws of logic, laws of nature, et cetera. So, 176 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.200 in other words, it's two different peeding world views. And 177 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.919 the worldview where God exists those things make sense. The 178 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:08.559 worldview where God doesn't exist. Ultimately, knowledge doesn't even make sense. 179 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.679 It's not coherent at all. There is no possibility of knowledge. 180 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:18.759 There couldn't be any other possibilities where this could still be. 181 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:23.080 I think, well, I mean, you're welcome to argue something 182 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.600 to what's your position agnosticism? You're not a Mormon. 183 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:28.919 I knew you were judged. 184 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.279 No, But how do you prove that it's a personal being. 185 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.519 Right. So, for example, this was the other question I 186 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.879 was going to ask, if you were to talk about metaphysics, like, 187 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:44.759 there's only a certain number of options that you could 188 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:49.960 choose for say, the universe being intentional or non intentional, 189 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:55.200 or to use the philosophy terms teleological or disteleological. If 190 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:58.960 it's disteleological, then the universe has no purpose, it's purpose less. 191 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.000 If God exists and God is personal, then the universe 192 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:06.679 has purposiveness, It has an intentionality because the God who 193 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:10.000 created it and is directing it to some end is personal. 194 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.639 So that's another example of how if you choose a 195 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:19.200 non personal absolute metaphysical principle or if you choose a 196 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.720 personal one, that will have a huge impact on the 197 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:24.519 kind of worldview that you have and whether knowledge is possible. 198 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.360 So what you just said was there should be a purpose, 199 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.879 otherwise it doesn't make sense. 200 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.799 I would frame it this way. If there's no purpose 201 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:41.039 in the purpose, right, So if God is not personal, 202 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.799 then there's no intentionality and purpose in the universe. And 203 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.399 if there's no intentionality purpose in the universe, then knowledge 204 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:47.159 is not possible. 205 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.639 Right. How is knowledge not possible if there's no. 206 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:57.360 Purpose because everything would be a purpose less and so 207 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.000 what you think has meaning or has directed doesn't really 208 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:01.399 have that. 209 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:03.000 It's all just purely subjective. 210 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.480 Well that that works fine with my worldview. 211 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.639 Okay, Well, if everything is subjective, then knowledge is not 212 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.879 possible and you can't even say that all knowledge is subjective, 213 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:15.279 as we talked about earlier. 214 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:21.360 Well, we can look at subjective's truths in the community. 215 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:24.600 We don't have to look at it as drastically as 216 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:26.559 you're looking at it in the whole universe. 217 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.519 Well, but again, it doesn't matter whether it's the universe 218 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:32.039 or whether it's the community. Like, there's nothing that makes 219 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.879 something true because the community says so or think so. 220 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.360 That doesn't make things true. Can't the community be wrong 221 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:38.960 about stuff? 222 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:44.679 Yeah? I would because he see that truth is subjective. 223 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.000 But no, but I'm arguing it's not subjective. It's impossible 224 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.120 to actually believe the truth is subjective because do you 225 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:53.879 understand that if you say truth is subjective, that proposition 226 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:55.519 itself is self refuting. 227 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:58.399 No, it's not fine. 228 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.399 It is because you're saying you're making a universal truth 229 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.320 claim that all truth is subjective. You can't make a 230 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.519 universal claim if everything is subjective. 231 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.080 But but you can't make But if I'm saying everything 232 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.600 is subjective, it's still subjective. 233 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.840 Every you're not justified in making the claim because you're 234 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:23.679 limited as a finite being. That's a what in logic, 235 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.000 it's called a universal quantifier when you say. 236 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:30.879 Everything, Well, we can make claims without. 237 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.159 Well, you can make claims all day long, but they're 238 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.720 not justified claims. They're contradictory claims just. 239 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.759 Because we're not certain about something. 240 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:40.720 It has nothing to do with certain it's not about certitude. 241 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.840 It's about a flat out contradiction. You can't say everything 242 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.080 is subjective because everything is a universal quantifier about all 243 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.679 states of affairs at all times. It's a universal claim, 244 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.039 and that's not possible if everything is subjective. 245 00:13:54.679 --> 00:14:03.519 Okay, well you're right, you're one. 246 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.320 Okay, all right, Well see I'll see you at the 247 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.320 Mormon temple ceremony next week. Good job, dude, light World, 248 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:17.720 what's up, man? We'll get married in space and have 249 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:23.440 some space babies. Light World, what's up? Gotta unmute dude? 250 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.840 Hey Jay, how's it going. I'm in I'm in the 251 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:28.440 car right now, So I apologize. If there's a little 252 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.039 bit of background noise, but I wanted to hop up 253 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.559 here and just comment on a few things I don't 254 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:35.600 want you guys were talking about. I found it pretty interesting. 255 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:40.120 Little disclaimer. I'm a Roman Catholic, I'm cradle Catholic, was 256 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.039 born and raised in the faith, and so I have 257 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.440 my idea about God and what I believe. And there 258 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.879 were a few things that you mentioned that I kind 259 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.000 of want to want to just you know, I touch 260 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:52.879 on a little bit extra right. So you mentioned that 261 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:56.080 if God has like a personal opinion as to whether 262 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.759 or not the direction of which, you know, the way 263 00:14:58.799 --> 00:14:59.679 the universe is going. 264 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.360 I didn't say personal opinion, I said intentionality. Sure, God 265 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.120 doesn't have a God doesn't have opinion. 266 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.440 Sure, yeah, I agree exactly. So my point is is 267 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.840 really where we seem to like anthromorphosized in God quite 268 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.559 a bit by giving him human characteristics, saying that he 269 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:18.720 needs this or he needs that in order for some 270 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.879 there to be relevancy. My God, the Roman Catholic God, 271 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:23.879 he deviates from all of that. He is not a thing. 272 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:27.360 He's not part of this world at all. So to 273 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.320 try to comprehend him or wrap him around in a box, uh, 274 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:32.440 with that reason is you know. 275 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:34.039 Just I mean, your your own worldview. 276 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.240 Your own worldview believes in anthropomorphic terminology. 277 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:40.759 So what do you mean, what do you mean my 278 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:41.919 own worldview believes. 279 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.519 In Roman Catholicism teaches anthropomorphic terminology can be used for God. 280 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:49.320 Well, yeah, so we have the Son of God and 281 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:50.320 we have different. 282 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.559 Ways for us to understand that's not an anthropomorphic term. 283 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.399 That's a person. The Son of God's not an anthropomorphic term. 284 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.120 I appreciate that. So let me let me, let me 285 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:00.919 try to say this because I'm I'm really not trying to, 286 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:02.840 I guess, debate on as much things to just kind 287 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:04.840 of share my ideas. You know, if you disagree with 288 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:06.360 my ideas, that's fine. I'm not really here to debate, 289 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:06.759 just kind of. 290 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:08.720 But I mean, do you actually know the Roman Catholic 291 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.200 position or you just stating what you think is the case? 292 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.519 No, I do, I do, and so I. 293 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.440 Don't think you do. I mean you think you do, 294 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:16.360 but I don't think you do. 295 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:18.960 Okay, well, I think I do, and you might think 296 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:19.879 that I don't. That's fine. 297 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:21.759 I mean I can already tell you don't by the 298 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.799 missu incorrect terminology you're using. So what's your what's your point. 299 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:26.759 Go ahead, I'm gonna say. 300 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.919 You just speak very eloquently, you know, and and and 301 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:31.480 you know you use a vocabulary very very well. So 302 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.159 I'll give you that much. But I don't know if 303 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:34.919 that means I know anything less about the Catholic Church. 304 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.559 So God is not of this world, like I was saying, 305 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:46.240 and Jesus Christ, you know we we we as the 306 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:47.679 son of God. He came down to earth, you know, 307 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.360 his representation, his physical body. Nonetheless, he was still God. 308 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.000 That's the only physical manifestation we've ever had of God 309 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:57.600 here on earth. You're in any way, shape or form. 310 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.440 Yeah, that's not even truer, that's not right. 311 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.399 Well, and I believe that to be true. 312 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:04.119 Well, I mean, have you read the Old Testament? 313 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:05.559 Sure? 314 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:06.160 Okay? 315 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:09.000 Did God ever appear in the Old test Did God 316 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:12.240 ever appear in the Old Testament prior to Christ becoming incarnate? 317 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.519 Fair enough? Okay, fair enough. I give you that he 318 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.440 walked with he spoke to Moses, Noah, multiple people. 319 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.559 I'll give you that, okay. 320 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.119 So it's not true that He only appeared in the 321 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.720 person of Christ at the incarnation. 322 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:31.279 Right, none in these physical forms as a burning bush, 323 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:35.079 maybe anything you know, camp morphosized in in which way 324 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.039 that he communicated with Noah. 325 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.200 I don't think that did he wrestle with did he 326 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:40.279 wrestle with Jacob? 327 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.400 So a lot of these questions, So. 328 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.799 I mean, did he wrestle with Genesis thirty? 329 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:50.039 Have you read this? 330 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.559 I can't literally, I can't tell you yes or no. Historically, 331 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:54.519 I can't tell you yes or no. 332 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:56.720 I have I have my I mean, what does Jenesis say? 333 00:17:57.400 --> 00:17:57.920 What do you mean? 334 00:17:58.880 --> 00:17:59.079 I want? 335 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:00.480 I want to give you I want you can I 336 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.160 want to answer something. I want to answer something if 337 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.119 I can, because you're you're You're asking me a lot 338 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:05.480 of questions and I don't feel like I've been able 339 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.640 to answer or finish any thoughts yet, and it's really 340 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:09.519 making it hard for me to gather my thoughts. 341 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.160 Uh huh, Yeah, it's my fault. I'm sure. 342 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:12.759 No, it's not your fault at all. 343 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:12.920 Man. 344 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:14.920 Like I said, I've already given you, you know, credit 345 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:16.559 for being a very good speaker and all those things. 346 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:20.359 So I'm trying to keep up with you. So in 347 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.880 the Bible, Jesus see, I I'm getting sidetracked. I apologize, 348 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:25.519 But in the Bible, uh, you know it says how 349 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.160 Jesus spoke, and he he preached, and then he brought 350 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.920 the disciples back, and then he explained differently to the disciples. 351 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:34.039 So a lot of the Bible is written in allegory. 352 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.279 It's written, there's a lot of historical accuracies, there's lots 353 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:39.240 of literal accuracies. 354 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.359 Those thoughts of Okay, does Jesus take the wrestling with 355 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.119 Jacob to be an allegory or does he identify himself 356 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:46.480 as the one that was wrestling? 357 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.799 So all of it's through God. All power is through God. 358 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:54.000 Anything that's done is through God. All of it that's 359 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:54.480 all through God. 360 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:55.119 There is no man. 361 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:56.559 Do you hear anything that I said? 362 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.119 You asked me, who's through Jesus? I said, yes, through God? Correct? 363 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:02.960 Can you not even hear the questions? 364 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:05.119 Or like, does it not registering in your head what 365 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:10.400 I said? Does Jesus identify himself as the one wrestling 366 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.200 with Jacob in Genesis thirty two? 367 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.359 I don't overbaate him with it, but I can tell you. 368 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.400 That, okay, But you don't know what You wanted to 369 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:20.240 get on and dispout a bunch of stuff. But I'm 370 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:21.960 not trying to me. I'm not trying to mean to you, 371 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.920 but you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Okay, 372 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:30.599 So in John two, Jesus identifies himself as the one 373 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.839 who was wrestling with Jacob in genals. 374 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:36.039 So you're just gonna talk over me. 375 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.839 So yeah, this is the problem with Roman Catholics is 376 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.599 that you guys don't have any clue what you're talking about, 377 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:43.480 and you think you know what you're talking about. 378 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.799 Power comes from God. I don't need to know. 379 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:47.720 That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. 380 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:49.440 What does that have to do with what I'm talking about? 381 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:52.880 All power comes from God. You cannot wrestle any adversary 382 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:54.480 without God. Period. 383 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:59.640 You don't even understand it's Jacob isn't an adversary when 384 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:00.880 he with Jesus. 385 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:03.000 Okay, what are you talking about? 386 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.000 So what is symbol? 387 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:08.839 Because I this is idiotic, man. I'm sorry, you have 388 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.000 no idea what you're talking about. I don't understand why 389 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:13.599 you guys love to get on as if you are 390 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.119 these super intelligent, know it all people and you have 391 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:28.519 no clue what you're talking about. Ads exactly. Roman Catholics 392 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:30.519 are insane, That's what I mean. It's like the only 393 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.039 people left in Romanism are people that are literally just 394 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.480 nuts except for except for tim what's up? 395 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.440 I have a question what arguments that can use against 396 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.960 the being modern day profets, because I remember those. What 397 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.440 arguments can I like I can bring forth for the 398 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:50.440 moderns being a falsed thing. 399 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:58.359 Well, Zachariah prophesies. I think it's Zakaria thirteen or fourteen 400 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:02.599 that in the last which means the time of the 401 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:07.559