WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:03.839 Victories for both Wigan and Lee. Things looking bad for Hull, 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:07.000 left c for the Bradford Bulls and Lee Rhino's their 3 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:11.320 Cup campaigns came to a close defeating Cast Saints turned 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:15.839 their stripes Keith, Lee, gool and Oldham could not have gripes. 5 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.760 Welcome to the thirteenth episode of Super League three sixty 6 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.719 year podcast, primarily about the top tier of British rugby league, 7 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:24.960 but we can go in any sorts of directions. My 8 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:29.079 name is Lee Addison and my name is John Davidson. 9 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:30.960 What do you think of that poem this week? 10 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.840 John? That was very good, mate, It's very good. 11 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:38.280 That was a combination of myself and James Varley because, 12 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.399 like clockwork, he sent me his poem for the week, 13 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.880 but I was in transit from Canberra because I've been 14 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.920 deep in the bush this week, John, So that was 15 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.880 a combined effort between myself and James Varley. For those 16 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:57.280 who are expecting the Rugby League Coach Podcast in this slot, 17 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.200 do not fear. That will come out a little bit 18 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.840 later today Monday, the sixteenth of March in Australia. That 19 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.920 is I'm a coach in Australia and that's why I'm 20 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.280 using the data ahead of when Johnny is recording because 21 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.239 Johnny is an Australian journal but he's in the UK. 22 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:17.719 And you can read the description or listen to old 23 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:20.400 pods to find out a little bit more about us. 24 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:22.920 This podcast being aired on Ashley Rugby League, Rugby League 25 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.400 Coach platforms as well as a Rugby League Coach YouTube 26 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.319 as well, so if you subscribe to those you won't 27 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:33.159 miss a thing. Also thanks to Rugby League dot Com, 28 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:35.920 not to be confused with Rugby League Coach dot com 29 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:40.920 Rugby League dot com who are also taking this recording. 30 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.879 So John I've been deep in the bush, like I said, 31 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.159 and let me tell you something straight off the bat, 32 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:50.040 and tell me what you think about this. On a 33 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:54.599 drive from June to Nerandra, which is a couple of hours, 34 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.920 all I saw was AFL posts, no Rugby league posts. 35 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.760 When I drove from Mirandra to Young all I saw 36 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:05.319 was AFL post and Rugby League post. The only place 37 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.400 I saw rugby league posts was at the clubs I visited, 38 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.360 one of them, the young Jerry Pickers. I've got their 39 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:15.319 polo shirt on now and please know that the any 40 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.319 views I'm expressing a mine and mine only and not 41 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:22.840 those of John Super League three sixty all this polo 42 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.759 shirt and wearing. But it did worry me John when 43 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:26.280 I saw that. 44 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:29.000 Yeah, I mean definitely. 45 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.080 I think the AFL has been going on for what 46 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.759 probably twenty or three years, that they're very very good 47 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.960 with their odds kick program and in getting you know, 48 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.360 putting money into councils across yoursells and queens and in 49 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:45.199 building you know, they're building their sport. I think they've 50 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.560 they've been fantastic at doing that. And yeah, I mean 51 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:52.240 it is a concern for rugby league. While obviously we're 52 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.639 taking well we're restarting the Bears in Perth and the 53 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.520 Storm have had a good presence for a while. You 54 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.199 can definitely argue AFL is the more national game because 55 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.439 they've got you know, South Australia, they're very strong in 56 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:09.199 WA and they're going into Tasmania, aren't they. So it's 57 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.400 participation is massively important. And you could argue with inflated 58 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.680 hours by putting in your touch footing in tag even 59 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.800 though you know there are forms of rugby league you 60 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:23.039 can say, yeah, I think I think you can't overstate 61 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.360 how important participation is at that junior level. 62 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:29.479 Also, the Sydney Morning Herald ran a story the first 63 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.919 week of the NRL and the AFL saying wow, while 64 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:37.360 the NRL were in Vegas, AFL was in Western Sydney 65 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.680 because they were they were pumping a lot of money 66 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.879 and effort into their look. I mean, I'll briefly, I'll 67 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.000 briefly cover this because I'm going to go into more 68 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.680 detail on my Rugby League Coach podcast. And also this 69 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.800 is called Super League three sixty. But the issues, the 70 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:57.280 issues still carry over, particularly because the NRL is fraternizing 71 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:59.680 with Super League about potentially taking over. 72 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.240 I won't add it described to me. 73 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.520 And I tend to subscribe to this theory that the 74 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.719 AFL is like China in terms of how China have 75 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.319 built their economy up over many, many decades. Basically, and 76 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:16.959 we all blink and we're all using Chinese products or 77 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:20.600 so many Chinese products. Our clothes made in China, etc. 78 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:26.160 A lot of manufacturers use China because it's cheaper, cheaper, 79 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.279 quite frankly to use things from over there. So their 80 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.519 economy has grown and grown and grown over the years, 81 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.600 and they're playing the long game. And that's been compared 82 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:38.000 to AFL's strategy, rugby league strategy under the land Is 83 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.720 in particular, has been compared to make America great again, 84 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:44.160 make rugby league great again. And if you think about 85 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:48.639 Peter Velandi's approach to a lot of things, bringing North 86 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:53.000 Sydney back back to one referee, pushing for the Ashes, 87 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:58.399 pushing to get Britain and England as a strong opponent again, 88 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.439 these are all yearned for the past, I think for 89 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.319 eighties and nineties, and a lot of his rhetoric, particularly 90 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.519 when it comes to talking about the AFL, is very 91 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.240 similar to what used to go on in those times. 92 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.399 So when you travel to America, I don't know if 93 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.240 you've ever been to say New York or Philadelphia, you 94 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.160 do feel like you're going back in time a little bit. 95 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:28.079 It's old, it's dirty, it was built over two hundred 96 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.040 years ago, a lot a lot of the things there. 97 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.120 You go to Asia and a lot of things brand new, 98 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:37.040 and you feel like you're coming into the new world. So, look, 99 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:39.480 I think there's a little bit of that goes on 100 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:44.399 with rugby league. I've got to be honest, So I 101 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.839 truly believe we need to spend a lot more on 102 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.040 development and not just money. It's not just about money. 103 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.519 It's a bit like the NHS in England, right, you 104 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.319 just put some more budget that way and don't deal 105 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:01.160 with the issues. The solution to meat to both England's 106 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:07.720 woes and many of the the worrying signs I've seen 107 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:12.639 in Bush, Australia is long term development. 108 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:14.399 And this. 109 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.680 John tweet of the week and if you want to 110 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.360 tweet with John or ex with John Johnny D Davidson 111 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:26.199 as the tag tweets of the week, I've decided from 112 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.319 John is Jack Byrd one of the n r l's finest, 113 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:34.560 coming over Geez Louise at his Comedy Gold commentary. Who 114 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:35.160 who said that? 115 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:35.519 Mate? 116 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.519 I believe that was Kevin Brown on Friday Nights BBC 117 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:45.279 commentary of Wakefield's win over later Ones. 118 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.439 Jack Byrd is not one of the n r l's finest. 119 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.240 He could he couldn't. 120 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:54.399 That was that was That was my point. I don't know. 121 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.399 I don't know if Kevin was being somewhat facetious or 122 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.439 he was trying to talk up Jack Murder know much 123 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:04.720 about John, honestly don't know, but yeah, it just made 124 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.120 me chock because yeah, I think I think Jack Burd's 125 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.279 last REP games were in twenty eighteen. 126 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.560 Or twenty seventeen. And yeah, he's a solid first grader, 127 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:18.240 but he's not the NRL's finest. With all respect to him, 128 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.319 Kevin doesn't manage him, does he? Not that I'm aware of. 129 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.720 In the NRL right now, they'll be clamping down on that, 130 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.240 So careful Kevin. Rugby League t Sweet of the Week 131 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.839 and also doublingers Lee's laugh this week Kyle am or quote, 132 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:38.800 must be something going on in Huddersfield Town Center this 133 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.079 afternoon unquote. I just love the I love the cut 134 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.160 of that jip. Put it that way. He did a 135 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.759 video of Huddersfield ground. What's it called these days? It's 136 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:53.279 not the Michel Pine q a Q stadium a Q. Well, 137 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.800 nobody was a queuing outside by the look of it, 138 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:59.759 because it was rather sparse. And this was in reference 139 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:04.399 to the crowd at the Huddersfield versus Hulkingston Rules Cup tie. 140 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.000 Can you tell us a little bit more, John about 141 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.839 what might have been going on there because we have 142 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:10.720 got it as a news item, so we might as 143 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:11.879 well talk about it now. 144 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.040 Well, I was at I was at the Huddersfield whole 145 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.959 our game the week before, because that's the beauty of 146 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:19.639 the Challenge Cup. 147 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:20.839 It always seems to throw out. 148 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.720 You have these teams who end up playing each other, 149 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:25.560 you know, four or five times in the season. It's 150 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.519 always seems like Wigan and Warrington played each other at 151 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:29.879 a cup and I think it was last year Leedings 152 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:31.480 and Helens played each other one week and and the 153 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.480 next week it was Leedings and Helens and there was 154 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:36.919 I think it was maybe five and a bit thousand 155 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.879 last week and it's dropped even more. And Haddersfield a struggling. 156 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.559 They've been a very poor team for a. 157 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:45.320 Number of years. 158 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.279 They're trying to leave their stadium because it's too big, 159 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.519 but they and their owners trying to buy the stadium 160 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:53.960 at Halifax, but he also wants to build a new 161 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.120 stamem Ahttesfield hasn't got cancel approval for that. 162 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:58.080 Yeah. 163 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.679 The Giants just they have they've had They've always had 164 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.440 a small fan base and it just seems like the 165 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.320 people of Huddersfield aren't really that interested in going to games. 166 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:09.360 I can remember seven or eight years ago they even 167 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.000 opened their gates and you know, anyone could get them 168 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:13.480 for free. And I think they've only got to separate 169 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:18.200 for that. So, Yeah, Huddersfield are in a massive hole 170 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:23.120 with a ton of injuries, bad performances. Yeah, and I 171 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.240 think a lot of people in the game are kind 172 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.919 of who aren't Haddersfield fans clearly aren't happy with them 173 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.919 and we would like to see them replaced by London 174 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.519 or another team. There's not a lot of love for Hattesfield, 175 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.320 and you know, they've had the same administration, the same 176 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:40.519 ownership for a long long time and they can't seem 177 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.559 to drag the club into the twenty first century. 178 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:49.080 But they are unleashed the giant. Yeah. Unfortunately, what the 179 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:50.240 leash was holding. 180 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.679 Up to and where they're unleased too, and what the 181 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.080 unleashing process involved isn't isn't. 182 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.679 As clear as predicted on the Super League three sixty 183 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:04.159 podcast The Crowd. 184 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:05.360 What was the number? 185 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:08.519 I don't think. I was just having a check before 186 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.240 we started. I don't think it's been announced. I think 187 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:16.200 it was sort of speculated something like three thousand and three. 188 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:16.559 And a half. 189 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.039 And what was the Super League game the week before? 190 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.799 I think it was maybe, off the top of my head, 191 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:25.480 maybe about five and a half. 192 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:30.159 But that's also season tickets and yeah, well that's. 193 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.200 Also when you put a whole kr I think might 194 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:38.519 have brought two thousand yesterday and maybe one thousand or 195 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.879 fifteen hundred the week before. So when you look at 196 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:42.559 it as. 197 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:47.720 You know, just purely home fans, it's pretty pretty bad. 198 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.919 And you might be to explain as betterly being a 199 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.039 lovely pomme that you are. But I don't get the 200 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.799 because I got in trouble some whole car fans of 201 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:59.279 having to shrug me because I just guessed how many they brought, 202 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.639 and you know, my eyesight's pretty bad, and it was 203 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:04.000 a guest. I had no idea, and I think I 204 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.559 got it quite wrong. But it wasn't an attack on 205 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.759 the support. But clubs in England are very very proud 206 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:11.159 of how many they take away. 207 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.639 It's a source of pride. 208 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.240 We take two thousand away to this or you only 209 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.440 take it's a weird kind of dick measuring thing. I 210 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.039 don't really get why you know that's a big source 211 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.159 of pride. I mean I think the more important thing 212 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.759 is how many. Well, the more important thing is a 213 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.159 how your team actually goes, not about you know, how 214 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.840 big a hand. But it's also throwing out your home stadium, 215 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.919 because you know how many take If you take thirty 216 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:42.360 away fans or three thousand, you don't. You don't build 217 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:44.639 a business as a club on how many away fans 218 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:45.039 you get. 219 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.320 As an Englishman, like you said, and somebody's come through 220 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.799 the English educational system for better or worse, there is 221 00:11:52.840 --> 00:12:00.240 an overarching scene that we sort of get immersed, did 222 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.320 I think, which is the whole rule Britannia thing, great Britain, 223 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:09.159 ruling the waves, take back control, you know, all those 224 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.720 kinds of things, right, And if you look at Britain's history, 225 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.759 there's been an awful lot of invading. We've done a 226 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.840 lot of invading and not been invaded for about three 227 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.480 hundred years or something. So murder and colonization, that's right, 228 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.919 that's right. So I think there's something in the English 229 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.159 psyche which is we are going to go to their 230 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.279 area and try and take it over. 231 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:31.159 I really do. 232 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.720 And you're also said in soccer, doren't you it's like 233 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.600 the European away Perhaps. 234 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.480 It's yeah, yeah, so no, that's a bit of a 235 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.480 deep answer, But I honestly think there's there's there's something 236 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.679 tribal in it. Quite frankly and whole and and and 237 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.240 the way. Fans are a lot more vociferous in the 238 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.240 UK too, in football and rugby league. 239 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:53.879 It's a cultural thing. It's the kind of a badge 240 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:56.000 of aurador, you know. We I'm from Carlisle and we'll 241 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:59.440 go and sleep on withouth away. While in Australia you're 242 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:01.799 not getting the people from towns will find out in 243 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.320 Melbourne for you know, get a few. 244 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:08.080 But we've driven down fifty minutes down them sixty two 245 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:13.120 to come here. We've driven twelve minutes from Wigan to 246 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:14.440 Saint Elan's to get here. 247 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:19.399 But you haven't driven thirty five. No I have this week. 248 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:23.720 Yeah, you flew, flew and then drove that I've done. 249 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:24.399 I've done. 250 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.759 At least he took a soft option. I've done, mate. 251 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.799 Look out the way my car is traveling. We've got there. 252 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.840 I've done about eleven hours driving since Wednesday, so I've 253 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:40.000 done a fair bit. Socials popular lee of the week. 254 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:43.759 It's not really a pop I've been. I must have 255 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.000 been too nice, really, but I did say after after 256 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:49.879 a few drinks on Saturday and watching the Dragons with 257 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.360 some poor fella who was a dragons fan, Kale his name, 258 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.919 and his mood just got worse during the last twenty minutes. 259 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.519 His head was dropping as the Saint George getting beat 260 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.519 by Melbourne all of a sudden, and I just posted 261 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.519 I think the Dragons need a new recruitment manager, and 262 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.480 a few people corrected me they've just got one Daniel Anderson, 263 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.720 So to be fair, he's got some work to do, 264 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:17.240 Daniel Anderson. But people will quick to remind me Johnny's job. 265 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.200 You're a bit worried about journals who cover games off TV. 266 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:26.399 It's just a growing trend across the across the sport. Look. 267 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.440 I think all newsrooms, all media outlets are struggling for money, 268 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.639 you know, struggling to get our dollars and to stay afloat, 269 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.120 and there's less journal jobs around it. But there's just 270 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.759 also a lot more journals who just do games off 271 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.120 TV and kind of pretend they're at matches. And anyone 272 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:45.039 who's worked as a generalist will tell you can't cover 273 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.240 a game to the same degree or to the same 274 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.960 accuracy if you're on TV watching at home. 275 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:53.919 Then if you're out there see what happens. 276 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:55.360 You talk to me about the game, you speak to 277 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.159 the coaches, afterwards you have follow up questions like it's 278 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.200 just it's just a the different thing, and I think 279 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.720 it kind of deceives the reader to pretend that you 280 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.600 are there. Though I understand if say you're in the 281 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:10.639 UK and you're covering ah, well, if you're riding, say 282 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:14.639 a report on the dragons in Melbourne miles away, but 283 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:17.720 you know, if you're in Wigan and there's a game 284 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:21.159 in Huddersfield and you know or holding. 285 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:23.000 You don't go, but you're particudally there. I don't think 286 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.559 that's a great look personally. 287 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.279 And I think in the end we all suffer, whether 288 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:31.120 it be you know, the reader or the sport, the discourse. 289 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.679 Generally the after the hooter that we do, and this 290 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.320 week we're going to do after the hooter after Thursday 291 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:45.799 night's game Wigan versus York York. So you're going to 292 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:47.759 be at the ground that day, okay, So that will 293 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.799 be our That will be our fourth after the hooter. 294 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.159 The first one we did was after the World Cup Challenge. 295 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:54.320 This one you'll be at the ground, but the last 296 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.679 two you've been at home. So just in the interest 297 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:01.559 in the interests of transparency, I would always adds a report, 298 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:03.279 and what do you do when you're at home? 299 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.440 Well, the game. Yeah. 300 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.919 The difference is I've done probably a handful of games 301 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.200 in terms of matchroports off TV, but I don't think 302 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:13.840 I've ever. 303 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:17.879 Pretended or claimed. 304 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.440 And you see how some people use social media or 305 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:25.000 what they write about the impression that they are actually 306 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.120 at the stadium. Now, yeah, I don't think that's right. 307 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.559 You know, if you're at home, you're at home. But yeah, 308 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.080 I don't think particularly with the after the hoods. You know, 309 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.919 it's my lovely spare room. It's not it's not the 310 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:41.000 brick community stadium. 311 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.480 It's not any Yeah. 312 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.039 I think what I'm saying is, if you're writing something 313 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:49.240 that night, how do you write it? 314 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:53.960 Well, I mean watching, as you know Lee, watching a 315 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:56.320 game from a pressure room or from a stadium is 316 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.159 very different to watching at home on TV. And in 317 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:03.279 a way you could say you actually get better, better views, 318 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.559 better at the angles, you get replays, you get commentary 319 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:07.519 of all that sort of thing, and you might not 320 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.160 always have the best advantage point from stadium, but it's 321 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.720 actually in the post match and in the press. 322 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.519 Conference and actually the ability to speak to players. 323 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:19.039 And coaches and actually ask specific questions, which you cannot 324 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.720 do if you were sat at home. Now, what people 325 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:24.839 do is they take the you know, the the fox 326 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.559 questions that might go to a coach or a player 327 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.559 or Sky etcetera. Ands up. But you can miss many things. 328 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:34.160 I'm just trying to think of I kin'd of think 329 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.839 of a specific example, but I mean, actually I can 330 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:39.880 think of a good example. I was at York and 331 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.799 Keith Lee on Saturday and Liam Harris went off very 332 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:47.319 right at the end. Actually I don't think it even 333 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.799 went off, but Mark Applegarth revealed in the press conference 334 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:55.000 that he had Grade two hamstring strain. You know, he's 335 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.119 going to be out for a couple of weeks, and 336 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:57.960 that's a really he's the half back for York and 337 00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.799 that's a really big blow. But if you weren't at 338 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.079 the game, you would have just written, you know, your 339 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.359 fifty six to ten win, nothing and another one Sam 340 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.720 would He went off which I thought was an HII 341 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:10.680 and didn't come back, but he'd actually had a poke 342 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.240 in the eye and they were a bit concerned letter 343 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.119 and send him off to the hospital. So the only 344 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.240 reason I found this is out because I interviewed Mark 345 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:18.440 Applegarta after the game. 346 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:20.279 You can't do that when you're said at home, can 347 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:20.799 you No? 348 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.640 I mean part of your job, I think is about 349 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.839 the quality of the fourth of state that we are consuming, 350 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.720 and I think I think a quality fourth of state 351 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.720 is very important. But also I think it pertinent to 352 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.720 bring up the changing nature of how people are consuming things. 353 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.640 So you'll be like me, you'd have looked at I'm sorry, 354 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.640 I'm going to mention an RL again, but Broncos versus 355 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.160 Eels the other day, it just looked like a basketball 356 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.160 game to me. Do you score, we score? You score, 357 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:58.119 we score, you score, we score. And I think one 358 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.440 of rugby league's greatest things in my lifetime has been 359 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:05.640 the balance between scoring and not scoring. So in soccer 360 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.160 there is a big cry of emotion when the ball 361 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.960 goes in because it's quite a rare thing in a game, 362 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:15.559 Oh sorry, rare err In basketball, they score, we score, 363 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.640 you score, we go. Rugby league has been somewhere in 364 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.240 the middle of that. But now in the NRL in particular, 365 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:27.200 it's creeping up now. People of our age and older 366 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:34.000 in particular don't necessarily enjoy that as much. However, younger 367 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.880 people and the biggest indication I always think you have 368 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.000 to look at what is happening in the bigger sports. 369 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:43.960 Apparently the English Premier League now are starting to worry 370 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:48.440 about people's ability to watch a full ninety minute game, 371 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.319 and they're looking at the stats have gone down. I mean, 372 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.240 the stats are coming from a far higher place in 373 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:59.480 the first place, So it's it's it's hardly troubling times 374 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:01.799 for the English Premier League. But people aren't consuming full 375 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.400 games in the same way they're getting them in social 376 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:08.400 media clips. They're watching minis, they're watching shorter versions. I 377 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:10.359 know I've done a bit more of that lately with 378 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:16.200 Man City because of the time differences. So so bringing 379 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:21.119 it back to your thing when we're reading match reports, 380 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.720 I honestly believe as well that a lot more people 381 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.720 don't care as much about that detail, and I think 382 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.759 so much of it, so much of the consumption is 383 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:39.759 just it's just screen grab or SoundBite or or just 384 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.200 with' through how did Huddersfield go on? 385 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:44.359 Yeah they got beat again? Right? Who scored? Right? Yeah? 386 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.160 Thank you? Yeah? 387 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:50.240 Percating one hundred percently And I know, you know several 388 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:53.920 national newspapers who don't really include match reports anymore, or 389 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:56.759 had no interest. But I think you don't get the 390 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.200 full context or the understanding if you're not having on 391 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:04.599 the ground talking to building people, building your contacts, speaking 392 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.200 to people, you know, whether we fans, coaches, trainers, are 393 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:13.400 the journalists, players, whoever? It's yeah, it's it's why you 394 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.519 know we have war correspondence and they're reporting from war zones, 395 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.079 aren't they They're not reporting from. 396 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:20.920 Also John also John. 397 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.480 It's like saying, you know, if we if we go 398 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:26.200 too far down one path, i e. 399 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:27.920 Everyone just wants short form stuff. 400 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:31.599 They don't some people still want books, which is very 401 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:34.640