Speaker 1: West Tiger's Podcast episode number four hundred and twenty, joined
Speaker 1: by Gary Watson, coach of dal Haj, and Rob Bashara
Speaker 1: on a Sunday night after the West Tigers thrilling twenty
Speaker 1: one twenty victory over the Gold Coast Titans at the
Speaker 1: eighth Wonder of the World like Hardov, Gary, your one
Speaker 1: word two points.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a great performance from outside. I thought they
Speaker 2: fought fairly well. But the most important thing is we
Speaker 2: walked away from the two points today.
Speaker 3: Coach First, fort he said two words. By the way I.
Speaker 2: Always says, I usually say forty seven, happiness purely about
Speaker 2: like Hardoval being at like Haardov means happiness.
Speaker 1: Rob mine before I get yours. Mine's just sheer relief. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I've said that about five or six times
Speaker 1: this year after we've won. But just relief.
Speaker 3: Long.
Speaker 4: Glad you said that because that was one of my
Speaker 4: one words. So I'll go to my other one word,
Speaker 4: which is two words or three words. Club needed it
Speaker 4: absolutely boys.
Speaker 1: This is not an official game review because Joel will
Speaker 1: be hosting podcast four hundred and nineteen, which will be
Speaker 1: our match review, which will be out on Monday night,
Speaker 1: but we are going to do a little bit of
Speaker 1: a masterclass again with the coach breaking down some of
Speaker 1: our attack, defends our structures and systems, and we also
Speaker 1: will do some buy seller hold. But let's touch on
Speaker 1: that Titans game today. Boys like hard oval Gary, sixteen
Speaker 1: thousand fans there, we've won seven from nine. I know
Speaker 1: you keep telling me that you know it doesn't hold
Speaker 1: enough fans, but surely, surely we can play a couple
Speaker 1: more games a year there.
Speaker 2: Look, I think once the stadium gets redeveloped that they
Speaker 2: have planned the plan is to be playing at least
Speaker 2: three four games there a year At sixteen thousand. I
Speaker 2: think our club's too big to be playing in a
Speaker 2: ground that holds sixteen thousand. It will get up to
Speaker 2: about twenty one twenty two around twenty sorry, and that's still.
Speaker 3: Not quite big enough for our club.
Speaker 2: So I love like hardover, love getting out there today,
Speaker 2: love getting out there anytime we can. But we need
Speaker 2: a ground that that fits a bit more than twenty
Speaker 2: thousand to be permanent home ground.
Speaker 1: Coach, you were a bit less political last time. I
Speaker 1: think you said you were going to bulldoze Cameltown and
Speaker 1: all the other grounds and just move us permanently to like,
Speaker 1: how do you stand by that?
Speaker 3: I just wherever we're going to win. But I think
Speaker 3: at the position of the club's in at the moment,
Speaker 3: I think winning is the priority. Should we only be
Speaker 3: relying on winning it like Crdoval? No, But at the
Speaker 3: moment that's what the results are saying, So it's got
Speaker 3: to have an impact. I think the biggest thing about
Speaker 3: Lighthardov and from what I understand about the corporate aspect
Speaker 3: of how the game works and money, it's about the
Speaker 3: corporate It's not so much about the numbers. Chuck Park
Speaker 3: shows that. I think from a the problem for us
Speaker 3: is we're getting sixteen thousand like Cardoval, and we've won
Speaker 3: three wooden spoons. What happens if we turn into the
Speaker 3: Penrith Panthers. That's when, like hardover becomes too big, No, sorry,
Speaker 3: too small. That's the problem in the long term, But
Speaker 3: I'm going to take it like if it means I
Speaker 3: can't go to the game every week because we're winning
Speaker 3: every week so there's no seats, I'm probably happy with that.
Speaker 1: Rob. I really don't want to bag Campbelltown because I
Speaker 1: want success there as much as you do. But if
Speaker 1: they played there today and they're six down with ten
Speaker 1: minutes to go, do they win?
Speaker 4: I'd like to say why not. I won't say yes
Speaker 4: or no, but why not? And to be fair, I'm
Speaker 4: from the Balmain Side, but my only membership this year
Speaker 4: is at Campbelltown. I love the experience out at Campbelltown.
Speaker 4: I love seeing all the people. I love the drive
Speaker 4: out there. I love going to the club next door
Speaker 4: and having to chat to everyone. But yeah, we could
Speaker 4: have won.
Speaker 2: No, we don't get that win today at any other
Speaker 2: ground than like Art Oval.
Speaker 3: Why do you say that.
Speaker 2: I think the history shows that you have a look
Speaker 2: at what is it three wins from the last fifteen
Speaker 2: or so out at Campbelltown.
Speaker 3: The ground makes a difference. That crowd out there makes
Speaker 3: a difference.
Speaker 2: And it's not just the crowd, the configuration of the ground,
Speaker 2: the fact that every everyone is so close and so
Speaker 2: on top of the football that lifts the team.
Speaker 3: And you could see it out there today. You hear
Speaker 3: the players speak about it.
Speaker 2: That ground makes a difference, and I think it made
Speaker 2: a difference today and I don't think we win that
Speaker 2: game today anywhere else.
Speaker 3: I think it's the confidence of the ground as well
Speaker 3: the fact that we have won quite a bit. It's
Speaker 3: like anything in all aspects of your football, Like if
Speaker 3: you're a good defensive team, you're always going to have
Speaker 3: the confidence in your defense. Winning and like had has
Speaker 3: almost become a habit for us at the moment. So
Speaker 3: we don't have that habit anywhere else. We don't beat
Speaker 3: any other team there today. Boys. I was being a
Speaker 3: little bit light on how podcasts are there, but.
Speaker 4: I don't if we play Cannery there today or any
Speaker 4: other canber I don't think we win that game. I
Speaker 4: accept the point Gary's making, but it's the same length
Speaker 4: of grass. It's I get it is more intimate. I
Speaker 4: get that, and there's that romance about it. But it's
Speaker 4: not like Campbelltown is Combank Stadium. It's our home ground.
Speaker 4: We've got to get used to it.
Speaker 3: I'm only going off the results, like Gary said, at
Speaker 3: the facts, Like that's the facts, and we've got to
Speaker 3: change the facts of Campbelltown. Though. We've got to change that.
Speaker 4: Hey, there was a period for a few years we
Speaker 4: weren't winning many games alike art either. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: only been any.
Speaker 3: Games at that stage. That's the year. That's the early
Speaker 3: years where we weren't winning any games, and if I
Speaker 3: think it was the first wooden surn but look, I
Speaker 3: think right now the numbers say paint a pitcher and yeah,
Speaker 3: we get one more game and like car this year
Speaker 3: and you know what you think ahead right, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter who we're playing it, but it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: You sort of say to yourself, well, there's a win
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 1: That's the confidence twenty year anniversary for the five Grand Final,
Speaker 1: So that'd be a massive day, Like I want, think
Speaker 1: it's Sunday with about three rounds to go. But Gary,
Speaker 1: does the result override the performance? Such a relief to win?
Speaker 1: But what did you make it a performance?
Speaker 2: Look, the result definitely overrides the performance. The most important
Speaker 2: thing we needed today was that win. It gets us
Speaker 2: out of that wooden spoon race. I think that guarantees
Speaker 2: us not finishing last this year, and I think that's
Speaker 2: super important for our club. The performance wasn't great, a
Speaker 2: very patchy. I thought we struggled in attack. I don't
Speaker 2: think our shape is what we really need it to be.
Speaker 2: But right now I don't care about that because we
Speaker 2: got the two points and it was a game I
Speaker 2: thought we're going to lose. I thought it was a
Speaker 2: game that we definitely should have won. We're much a
Speaker 2: better team on the field than the Titans played the day.
Speaker 2: But we needed that two points and we got those
Speaker 2: two points.
Speaker 1: Coach, I'm not a weather man, but I live ten
Speaker 1: minutes from like ut Oval, and there was no wind
Speaker 1: at home. I'll get to like out Oval and it's
Speaker 1: always blowing a gale towards the pool. I was worried
Speaker 1: when we were fourteen to twelve down at halftime because
Speaker 1: we had the wind. What did you make it? A
Speaker 1: second half performance a lot better.
Speaker 3: We completed nineteen from twenty one, which is really important.
Speaker 3: And that's the simple part of the game, right, If
Speaker 3: you can put yourself in that position, usually what that'll
Speaker 3: mean is you've at least got equal share of possession,
Speaker 3: and that's what we had in the second half. We
Speaker 3: dominated possession in the second half. So I'm not as
Speaker 3: big as believer as others in regards to the wind.
Speaker 3: Like I think the wind is can be of use
Speaker 3: of you, Sorry, it can be too use of you.
Speaker 3: I can't even say my words, right, can to be
Speaker 3: of use? I think it's only one part of the game,
Speaker 3: and that is kicking. It's all about your long kicking
Speaker 3: that it's going to aid you and if you've got
Speaker 3: someone that can nail a forty twenty.
Speaker 1: Ether side used the wind to their advantage.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it made too much of an
Speaker 3: impact on today's game as Well's just wind worth Do
Speaker 3: you think nothing points? It's not AFL. In AFL, it's
Speaker 3: worth money and watch AFL okay in AFL kicking like
Speaker 3: because that's where the terms come from. It's come from
Speaker 3: AFL because of the fact there's so much kicking in
Speaker 3: the AFL. It's a longer ground. It's worth points. I
Speaker 3: don't think it's worth anything in the rugby league.
Speaker 2: I think in a game where we have a team
Speaker 2: that still struggles to get down the field, I think
Speaker 2: the fact that we are kicking out of our own
Speaker 2: end quite a bit. It does have an effect on
Speaker 2: your field position and I think that's important for a
Speaker 2: team like us at this point in our development. But
Speaker 2: I thought the boys did really well into that win today,
Speaker 2: so it's really hard to be critical of that. I
Speaker 2: did like your point about our completion rates at nineteen
Speaker 2: from twenty one, and that's w if I was dropping
Speaker 2: the kickoff, which.
Speaker 3: Is an incomplete set, so technically it's probably you want
Speaker 3: to talk about it. It's twenty from twenty one, which
Speaker 3: is Queensland origin. Like Benji said it was our worst
Speaker 3: performance of the year. I don't know if he meant
Speaker 3: our worst win of the year.
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 4: I think he meant our worst performance of the year.
Speaker 4: But but how could it be sixty four exactly? Look
Speaker 4: as Gary said, It's like I would have said a
Speaker 4: different answer to the fact that Gary said the win
Speaker 4: overrides of performance is probably right because it was a
Speaker 4: much needed win. But it was an awful performance from
Speaker 4: a what's the what's the term? It wasn't smooth. It
Speaker 4: was all clunky. There was no cohesion at times, and
Speaker 4: I think sometimes when you simplify, you're going to complete
Speaker 4: your sets, aren't you, Like if it's basically twenty out
Speaker 4: of twenty one sets from that.
Speaker 3: Drop ball, well, I think winning a game like that
Speaker 3: is all about how you react to it as players.
Speaker 3: If you react to it like oh, we won in
Speaker 3: your chest is out, you're not acknowledging the fact that
Speaker 3: the performance has improvement in it. That's a concern if
Speaker 3: you walk away from it. And that's where Benji's message
Speaker 3: is really important in a press conference, right because the
Speaker 3: players will know it's it's our worst performance of the week,
Speaker 3: but we won, which confid that can build some confidence
Speaker 3: in saying, hey, we're going to take on the Panthers,
Speaker 3: and I know we'll be up for the Panthers next week.
Speaker 3: So if we can take that win into next week
Speaker 3: and really attack this week against them, I where with Gary,
Speaker 3: I think it supersedes everything. Winning solves all.
Speaker 2: Talking about that reaction to the win. Historically this year
Speaker 2: we've actually reacted really poorly after wins. I think we're
Speaker 2: like Eddie went through it on our pod the other night,
Speaker 2: and our back up performances after a win this season
Speaker 2: have been really poor. So I think it's really critical
Speaker 2: that we get that message right. We get that. It's
Speaker 2: almost like, because we're struggled winning games over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, we get that win and it's such
Speaker 2: a big relief, it's such a release.
Speaker 3: Of pressure on the club. We then turn around and
Speaker 3: relax for the next game.
Speaker 2: I think it's really important we've got to main start
Speaker 2: maintaining those levels of plays and maintaining our style of play.
Speaker 2: From one week to the next so we don't actually
Speaker 2: fall into that hole and next week turn into a
Speaker 2: game where we show up and Pane goes straight for us.
Speaker 1: Taylor and May coach style my thunder. On the previous podcast,
Speaker 1: you Caught him World Class. I'll read through his stats today.
Speaker 1: One try, two try assists, three line break assists, one
Speaker 1: line break, seven tackle breaks, one hundred and twenty one meters,
Speaker 1: forty three post contact meters and one tackle miss. He
Speaker 1: also dropped a couple of blokes on his backside. I
Speaker 1: can't remember who it was, but that was a scary
Speaker 1: performance by Tailor May.
Speaker 3: As impressive as those numbers are, what I encourage people
Speaker 3: to do is don't read the numbers, go watch it yourself.
Speaker 3: Because his physicality and his aggression both with the ball
Speaker 3: and without the ball, and the fear he started to
Speaker 3: put into that Titans team. We don't win today without Taylor.
Speaker 1: May, I'd be scared, like standing opposite him with that
Speaker 1: neck tato.
Speaker 3: And I mentioned that I mentioned it on now podcast.
Speaker 3: You know, after the the group try, he wanted to
Speaker 3: get into it with about four or five of the
Speaker 3: Titans boys. I loved it. We've never had that guy
Speaker 3: that actually just went f you because it was I
Speaker 3: think it was Brian Kelly was sledging into one of
Speaker 3: the other players and he just sort of stood up
Speaker 3: for him. So I thought, yeah, look, that was exciting,
Speaker 3: wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't think we win today without him Rob, Like
Speaker 1: every time we went left, even if he didn't make
Speaker 1: a break, it looked like they were backing off and
Speaker 1: we're making easy meters out of ourn end.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was incredible, I said to Adel on our podcast.
Speaker 4: I did not expect this sort of performance from him
Speaker 4: for another four or five weeks to come in running
Speaker 4: the way he did. And I think I think Terrell
Speaker 4: May lifted, not that he's needed to lift, but I
Speaker 4: thought Terrell was probably our second best player today. So yeah,
Speaker 4: anymore May brothers, we can get boys.
Speaker 1: There's one somewhere.
Speaker 2: But that left edge looked really good all game. The
Speaker 2: footwork and the power from from Taylor at the line.
Speaker 3: It had. It had the sorry the Titans on the
Speaker 3: back football game. I also, I think early on Jerome
Speaker 3: actually tried to run the ball a little bit earlier
Speaker 3: in the game, which sort of indicated something. Do we
Speaker 3: think anything of him not playing in the head of
Speaker 3: you today.
Speaker 1: My mate pointed that out. It took me twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3: And I thought, I haven't thought of that. Coach.
Speaker 1: Remember Jim Sheen's I don't think he let Liam Fulton
Speaker 1: play in headgear. That was years ago because Leam Fulton
Speaker 1: started his career in headgear and said, you're not playing
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Look, let's just say this right, playing and head gear
Speaker 3: not Jonathan to play for the head Gears. I don't
Speaker 3: care about wearing it, but I think from his perspective,
Speaker 3: I wonder if there was something about that today is
Speaker 3: like ending a message because he had what did I say,
Speaker 3: fourteen carries for one hundred and forty something meters, So
Speaker 3: his intent today was I'm going to run the ball,
Speaker 3: and he did it a lot earlier in the game
Speaker 3: where he just took some carries, you know, and he
Speaker 3: there wasn't even any shape wing. He just saught I'm
Speaker 3: going to take the line on myself.
Speaker 4: So I agree with you the left and caught the
Speaker 4: ball facing the try line like his shoulders were square,
Speaker 4: running direct, you know, not facing the sideline, turning it inside,
Speaker 4: dropping it off to a forward.
Speaker 3: He really had a clear intent to run the ball.
Speaker 3: I also think he won us the game. I said
Speaker 3: this on the podcast, but the trice over on AJ
Speaker 3: Brimson that may not have noticed. When we dropped the
Speaker 3: ball attacking their line, Sammy gets the ball to Brimston
Speaker 3: and if Jerome doesn't for some reason, I don't know
Speaker 3: why he does it. It comes from the other side of
Speaker 3: the field. We lose the game because Brimston's gone, so
Speaker 3: I think he want us the game in that moment
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: He showed up ready to play today. The head game
Speaker 2: may have been a sign of that. But we're spoken
Speaker 2: about how he drives standards at our club. He was
Speaker 2: driving standards out on the field today. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys were watching him at all while he
Speaker 2: was out out on the field, but he ripped into
Speaker 2: Fristian Hope at one point for really poor service, and
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought Hope started the game really poorly
Speaker 2: and it was really slowing us down from it got
Speaker 2: into it. Yeah, and law I really gave him a
Speaker 2: serve today and it's something I've been expecting to see
Speaker 2: from him and I hadn't seen it till till today.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was interesting to see.
Speaker 1: What did you make of the Harves games. Rob. Obviously
Speaker 1: we mentioned Jerome. I thought it was one of his
Speaker 1: better games, maybe helped by the fact, yeah Taylor may
Speaker 1: outside him and potentially ad at thirteen, but Lar too
Speaker 1: as well well.
Speaker 4: Firstly, and Rome, I thought it was as straight as
Speaker 4: he'd run my criticism, and it was very minor criticism.
Speaker 4: Was I wanted him a little bit more involved, although
Speaker 4: those stats seemed to prove me wrong. I just thought
Speaker 4: he could have been a bit more involved us on
Speaker 4: the eye. But obviously he had a great game. I
Speaker 4: felt Lart two looked a bit lost, though Adele's comforted
Speaker 4: me a bit having spoken to him earlier tonight, but
Speaker 4: I just feel like they're still working that out. And
Speaker 4: obviously Adam there, that takes a bit of working out.
Speaker 4: But Adam Adam did well too. I didn't think he'd
Speaker 4: cope with making thirty tackles and what have you. So look,
Speaker 4: I thought he had a really good game.
Speaker 1: We'll get to my rant in a minute, Gary, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on the positive tonight because we won,
Speaker 1: so you.
Speaker 3: Don't focus on positives now.
Speaker 1: I don't like to I'm the last half ebty sort
Speaker 1: of guy, but any other individual performances that you thought
Speaker 1: stood out today.
Speaker 2: Look, the usual guys were great again today. I thought
Speaker 2: Thurell may through the middle. I thought he was really strong.
Speaker 2: Adam do I do want to point out I thought
Speaker 2: he had a great game today. I've always been quite
Speaker 2: critical of Adam in the.
Speaker 3: Show is being recorded, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It is okay, beautiful on tape. But I do did
Speaker 2: we resign him gay? I'm getting closer. What impressed me
Speaker 2: today was his effort. It's in defense. My biggest criticism
Speaker 2: always has been on effort plays in defense.
Speaker 3: At times, the effort in past season.
Speaker 2: Hasn't been there. That's picked up this year. I think
Speaker 2: that number thirteen could really be the.
Speaker 3: Spot for him.
Speaker 2: I thought I thought last two's probably struggling a little
Speaker 2: bit today and was a little bit less involved today,
Speaker 2: just figuring out where Adam fits into how that spine works.
Speaker 2: But I don't have too much of a problem with that.
Speaker 2: It's a new combination once again, when we've had how
Speaker 2: many halves combinations this year, and it's the real first
Speaker 2: ball player we've had in that thirteen role this season.
Speaker 2: So that's going to take a little bit of time
Speaker 2: to work out. But I thought he was very good today,
Speaker 2: and I am getting much closer to resigning him than I.
Speaker 3: Was a month ago. I think you're offering Adam a contract.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a debate about whether you want
Speaker 3: him at the club or not. I think thinks it's
Speaker 3: about what sort of money we're going to pay for that. Correct.
Speaker 1: Welly that press conference last week, he referred to the
Speaker 1: big Boss rich I think rich A lowballed him. Was
Speaker 1: that he inferring that rightfully?
Speaker 3: So? I mean, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: think we've got to sorry, hang on, not rightfully so
Speaker 3: in the sense that we should lowball somebody. We've got
Speaker 3: to figure out what his value is to us. And
Speaker 3: until he proves where he's actually going to be for
Speaker 3: us long term, well then you can't actually figure out
Speaker 3: exactly what the number is. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: if the West Tigers offer you three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 3: and nobody else offers you more, you've got no choice.
Speaker 3: If somebody out there sees the value in Adam and things,
Speaker 3: they're going to give him more money because at didn't. Though.
Speaker 3: That's you know, I love listening to Brandon Smithia. They're
Speaker 3: talking about a lot. We're professional players, especially once you
Speaker 3: start to get into your career, you've almost got to
Speaker 3: go where you're making the most money because that also
Speaker 3: shows what value you are to somebody. So we've got
Speaker 3: to figure out what his value is to us, and
Speaker 3: this back end of the season, we need to stick
Speaker 3: with him at thirteen.
Speaker 4: Surely he's shown enough in the last three games, whether
Speaker 4: he's been in the halves or a lock, that he's
Speaker 4: going to be an asset to the club, So we
Speaker 4: shouldn't be low balling him at all. In fact, I
Speaker 4: think he's just Jackie's value up after today's I don't
Speaker 4: think it's load balling. I think it's just figuring out
Speaker 4: what he's number is ye.
Speaker 3: At this point.
Speaker 2: If if he doesn't make it in that role as
Speaker 2: at thirteen, then he's bench player at first, possibly back
Speaker 2: up in the halves, possibly back up in the centers,
Speaker 2: because all those other positions that he can kind of
Speaker 2: fill are taken up.
Speaker 3: And he's a great backup player of one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: No problem signing him for a bench spot or where
Speaker 2: as a backup because he's played just about every position
Speaker 2: in the back line this year. He's moved into the
Speaker 2: lockforward role and made a good goal of that today.
Speaker 2: So there's definitely a spot for him in our squad.
Speaker 2: It's whether it's a spot that he's going to be
Speaker 2: happy with.
Speaker 3: But don't you think that versatility adds value to your contract? Though?
Speaker 4: But it's not like I mean, I know he's basically
Speaker 4: a stopgap center or a stopgap winger or even a
Speaker 4: stop back fullback to be fair, but like just knowing
Speaker 4: that you can trust someone to be throwing it.
Speaker 3: Tyran, what's Tyrone wish are worth? I don't think he's
Speaker 3: worth as much as Adam at the moment.
Speaker 1: If Sir George went after tyroneishert, he's probably worth seven
Speaker 1: or eight thousand.
Speaker 3: But that's my point, right, and that's how we've got
Speaker 3: to start thinking, is what would Tyron we sharn't be
Speaker 3: worth to the Melbourne Storm because that's exactly what Adam
Speaker 3: do is worth for us. But it depends on what
Speaker 3: position you're putting Tyrone we shout it. Adam Dowe is
Speaker 3: what Gary just said. He can fill in a whole
Speaker 3: heap of multiple roles, but he's never going to be
Speaker 3: that starting guy week in week out in a certain position.
Speaker 3: So whatever tyron we Shart looks in like in their
Speaker 3: system is almost what you compare Adam to us, unless
Speaker 3: he turns into the thirteen we're wrot to be. And
Speaker 3: if he's an out now thirteen, that changes everything. Well.
Speaker 4: I saw Tyrone we Shart playing the halves for Melbourne
Speaker 4: against the Georgie's here and he.
Speaker 3: Was awful exactly. That's the point I thought, Wow, maybe
Speaker 3: not as worth it. The other thing about what you're
Speaker 3: offering Adam doing. Guess what, Adam, you're not getting anymore.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, because we need to save that
Speaker 3: money for Taylor May. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the big thing with Adam is there's been all
Speaker 2: the stories around him all throughout his careers. I want
Speaker 2: to play this position or or I see myself as
Speaker 2: a helf. He has to be willing to accept that.
Speaker 2: We're probably looking at him if he's not the third team,
Speaker 2: we're looking at him as a utility role. And where
Speaker 2: he's willing to accept that moving forward, whether he's willing
Speaker 2: to take that contract where he may get a role
Speaker 2: at another club that may allow him to play in
Speaker 2: the halves or may allow him to play at center.
Speaker 2: He's not a center at our club first choice next season.
Speaker 2: He's not a half at our club first choice next season.
Speaker 2: The only full time role that is potentially there for
Speaker 2: him as a starter is that thirteen. I've really got
Speaker 2: to make that thirteen in his own over the next
Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good compromise though, because he does
Speaker 4: want his hands on the ball, Eddie.
Speaker 1: So no, no, I'm just every time we land on
Speaker 1: Adam Dewey. We gave for fifteen minutes, Gary all the
Speaker 1: time for that to blame here, but rob the last
Speaker 1: set of the game because it is difficult for us
Speaker 1: as hosts or everyone because we haven't seen a replay.
Speaker 1: What did you make? Alls? Well, that ends well, we
Speaker 1: got the field goal. I like the fact that we
Speaker 1: moved left in our own half because we got that yardage.
Speaker 1: I think Jerome made the break, but then we came
Speaker 1: back to the middle and I thought, here we go,
Speaker 1: we're going to stuff it up.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks for mentioning that, because I got that role
Speaker 4: on our podcast. Okay, so it turns out we were
Speaker 4: kind of both right. So jeromeill I did make the
Speaker 4: break and go to the corner post, but it was
Speaker 4: on the second tackle, and then we get back to
Speaker 4: the fourth tackle on the left hand post as we're attacking,
Speaker 4: and we decided to go left again, back back into
Speaker 4: the corner and throw another shot at him, which I
Speaker 4: know Adele's a fan of, but I would have preferred
Speaker 4: to set up for a field goal.
Speaker 3: Well, if you use a sledgehammer and you keep knocking
Speaker 3: that wall down, eventually it keeps breaking and once the
Speaker 3: holes there, you keep going there. I actually didn't mind
Speaker 3: the fact that we were and left there were just
Speaker 3: poor execution going back left. So for me, I love
Speaker 3: the fact that we were confident enough to attack it.
Speaker 3: What would I do?
Speaker 4: I've always got a field goal set set up, Like
Speaker 4: you're always preparing for a field goal set Maybe it
Speaker 4: just doesn't suit us, maybe we don't like it. Maybe
Speaker 4: look to me on the sideline, it looked like Benji
Speaker 4: I said to you on our podcast, he wasn't frustrated.
Speaker 4: That was the moment I looked at the sideline. He
Speaker 4: looked like he was frustrated because he was yelling at
Speaker 4: bred Hodgson. I'm guessing he wanted field goal set up.
Speaker 4: And you know I talked about it on the podcast, Gary,
Speaker 4: Like we've seen Benji in that position. He's great job
Speaker 4: playing the game, setting up for a field goal and
Speaker 4: winning us the game, kicking field goals himself. So I
Speaker 4: think potentially they've got it prep but they just they
Speaker 4: attacked well.
Speaker 2: The game plan today was obviously the shift the ball
Speaker 2: side to side and tire out the big Titans forwards.
Speaker 2: We were doing that, even spreading it from our own end,
Speaker 2: so I think the players just continued with that and
Speaker 2: they were looking for that opportunity of how they planned
Speaker 2: to play the game. And you have a look how
Speaker 2: well we took advantage of that left edge today. They
Speaker 2: were always going to go back there at some point.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see them set up for
Speaker 2: the field goal as well.
Speaker 4: Well, let's not be too harsh because Melbourn mucked it
Speaker 4: up last night when Grant through that long pass. Like
Speaker 4: when you're setting up for a field goal, you're not
Speaker 4: throwing ten meter torpedo passes forward.
Speaker 2: It is and Louis, if we're just setting up for
Speaker 2: that field goal, Louis doesn't make the break he made
Speaker 2: earlier in the set yep because we went to the
Speaker 2: left and he took advantage of the defenders out on
Speaker 2: the right hand side for the Titans and went straight through.
Speaker 2: That means we're probably kicking that field goal from forty
Speaker 2: meters out instead of kicking it from where we end
Speaker 2: up kicking about twenty five to thirty.
Speaker 1: Great point, coach, This one is for you. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: Benji Marshall. You're sitting on the sideline today. I know
Speaker 1: you love Appy korus Ow, but this is Eddie being
Speaker 1: negative for a minute twelve four up with about ten
Speaker 1: minutes ago in the first half. You've got a gale
Speaker 1: behind you. Why are you doing a short dropout?
Speaker 3: What like?
Speaker 1: Why aren't you kicking that fifty five meters and making
Speaker 1: the Titans work their way out from halfway? We lose
Speaker 1: the short dropout, they score off the next set. I
Speaker 1: think the momentum turns. Am I being too harsh? You're
Speaker 1: asking the wrong person, you're Benji Marshall.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, well, no, no, you're asking the wrong person
Speaker 3: because I always attack. So for me, if there's an
Speaker 3: opportunity to have a contested position, I'm taking it. It
Speaker 3: does not matter what it is. The only difficult part
Speaker 3: about where we're at right now. So it's the same
Speaker 3: thing when we kick out a yardage or sorry, when
Speaker 3: we're kicking good ball, we're trying to put the ball high.
Speaker 3: We don't have dream we don't have that guy with
Speaker 3: the elite leap, So I don't know where we've got
Speaker 3: anyone to contest those short dropouts. But sometimes it's not
Speaker 3: even about the contest. Sometimes they just drop the ball
Speaker 3: or someone gets up and that's the ball back. What
Speaker 3: would I do in that situation? As coach, I always
Speaker 3: go for the attacking play. We rarely get it back there,
Speaker 3: do we? When dreams there? We have a chance, wasn't there? No?
Speaker 3: I know that we're actually doing pretty good this year,
Speaker 3: but look, I don't mind the play. And as a coach,
Speaker 3: I always tell players, I'm not going to have it
Speaker 3: both ways with you guys, because if you nail it,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit there and go high five.
Speaker 3: And if you don't know that, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: sit there.
Speaker 4: In criticis rob I craized before they scored on with you,
Speaker 4: and I was saying the same thing before they even
Speaker 4: did it. But the other thing too, I know it's
Speaker 4: a really strong win. Can Happy drop kick the ball
Speaker 4: fifty like it's.
Speaker 3: Up? He's gone long at times this year and he's
Speaker 3: actually nailed it, especially with the win behind you. So
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there going I'm backing you guys well, and
Speaker 3: you're back your defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Like if he's much easier defending on that
Speaker 2: goldliner than it is coming further down the field anyway.
Speaker 3: So strategically, strategically and numbers wise, it is much easier
Speaker 3: to defend inside your ten then it is defending. But
Speaker 3: I'll say this the Titan, sorry, rober the Titans actually
Speaker 3: different to when we would defend a goal one dropout.
Speaker 3: They actually had everybody set for the long dropout, so
Speaker 3: it was interesting that their defensive setup on the dropout
Speaker 3: was not sure it was everybody was back, whereas when
Speaker 3: we had ours, we had our two front rollers back.
Speaker 3: So they actually expected the long dropout. So it might
Speaker 3: have been what twisted their art to go short.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, you can excuse it
Speaker 4: if you've been defending multiple sets on your line and
Speaker 4: then you're trying to get the ball back with a
Speaker 4: short one. But the fact that they hadn't been on
Speaker 4: our line for too long. You think you're going along.
Speaker 2: There, you know what defended, and this isn't a topic
Speaker 2: of conversation at all. So it's really the defensive era
Speaker 2: that came after that that's the problem, not the strategy
Speaker 2: of the short.
Speaker 3: Sitting with the guys today was like when Charlie dropped
Speaker 3: the ball after half time and we defended I think
Speaker 3: we had two or three sets. We defended it and
Speaker 3: put the ball on the touch and I said, the
Speaker 3: Charlie stains area doesn't matter anymore, right because we defended it,
Speaker 3: and that's all you've got to do. Well.
Speaker 1: I think we're two verse two there, boys.
Speaker 3: I'm glad where they you guys on the right side.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to mention from the game today, Gary,
Speaker 1: positive or negative? Before we move on? O bench? Bench
Speaker 1: used anyone off the bench? Impress.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: I found the substitution five minutes after halftime a little
Speaker 2: bit of an odd one.
Speaker 3: It's probably not the time I would have made that change.
Speaker 2: I think we took Adam Adam Dowey off at that
Speaker 2: point and put to the only on. I found that
Speaker 2: a little bit of an odd decision at the time.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, boys, because otherwise we'll be
Speaker 1: arguing all night about the game. Twenty one twenty victure
Speaker 1: of the Titans. Joel will talk about the game more
Speaker 1: in depth to morrow night, hopefully out on Monday night.
Speaker 1: But Coach Jerene Boller, he obviously didn't play today. I
Speaker 1: know you rate him very highly. I'm still not convinced
Speaker 1: he's in the top eight fullbacks in the game, but
Speaker 1: you can probably take me to task on that.
Speaker 3: Have you had him sacked last year?
Speaker 1: But I can go through an individually if you want later.
Speaker 1: But coach, stay with me. Why is he so important
Speaker 1: to outside?
Speaker 3: I think there's not what watching him play this year,
Speaker 3: there's not one facet of his game that he hasn't
Speaker 3: improved on. And he's almost not a leader, and we've
Speaker 3: shown he's shown this year his ability to develop. The
Speaker 3: only thing I love about him is the absolute competitor.
Speaker 3: And he's got to a stage in his career now
Speaker 3: where he's found a little bit of a voice. He's
Speaker 3: found a bit more confident. I've seen him find a
Speaker 3: little bit of a mongol in his game, which is
Speaker 3: really good. His ability to contest everything is so important,
Speaker 3: both defensively and offensively. I think he gives us balanced
Speaker 3: shape wise, running both sides in particular now and it
Speaker 3: was even the same with Galvin because Galvin was a
Speaker 3: left sided player. We've had three left sided halves, Lato,
Speaker 3: Jerome and Lockie all played left side. Jerrem's ability to
Speaker 3: do actually put his hand up and go, I'll sacrifice
Speaker 3: myself a little bit on shape and play the right edge.
Speaker 3: I think there's a big point of difference to us.
Speaker 3: I think under the high ball, obviously his leap, his athleticism,
Speaker 3: his speed. He can turn a half opportunity and we
Speaker 3: said it earlier in the year when he's fully I
Speaker 3: mean he's always been fully foot early on. He can
Speaker 3: turn a half break into a major break. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to that top eight to
Speaker 3: figure out who I'm out. Are you going to tell
Speaker 3: me now.
Speaker 1: In amount of Gary first Buller, because I know Gary
Speaker 1: loves Buller.
Speaker 2: I think attacking wise, he's our most important player at
Speaker 2: this point in time and probably our most dangerous, probably
Speaker 2: the best chance of breaking a line right open with
Speaker 2: his footwork at the line. He is a huge out
Speaker 2: at the moment. His ability, as Adel just said, to
Speaker 2: actually play on that right hand side. I really like
Speaker 2: the plays where we get both our halves under the
Speaker 2: left and then we come back to the right and
Speaker 2: give all of that space and that time to operate
Speaker 2: on that side. Taruva got onto that right hand side
Speaker 2: a couple of times a day to I got onto
Speaker 2: the right hand side a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Today and it just broke down.
Speaker 2: So his ability to go to that right hand side
Speaker 2: and control that right hand side of the field for
Speaker 2: us is absolutely crucial in what we do.
Speaker 1: I know what coach is doing now. He's going to
Speaker 1: throw all the fullbacks to think all are my in trouble?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 3: Is there eight better? It's funny, Eddie.
Speaker 4: I got thrown the same thing at me a few
Speaker 4: weeks ago. So someone said, Bull is not even in
Speaker 4: the top ten fullbacks. Okay, I went through it, and
Speaker 4: I'm going to be really objective here. I went through
Speaker 4: the fullbacks and I thought, you know what, there's about
Speaker 4: nine or ten that have probably got more runs on
Speaker 4: the board. But let me explain it this way. I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say he's the most important player, Gary.
Speaker 4: I think Terrill may is because he does the work
Speaker 4: of two forwards. But he's our best player, no doubt.
Speaker 4: I think Bull is our best player, although Tailor may
Speaker 4: might have something to say about that after what he
Speaker 4: did today. I would not swap during Buller for one
Speaker 4: other fullback in the comp That's a difference.
Speaker 3: Our attack loses all the shape when he's not there. No, No,
Speaker 3: don't you go there? Who do you?
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not swapping. I'm not swopping in for
Speaker 4: Dylan Edwards. I'm not swopping for him. I don't even
Speaker 4: want ko Weeks. I don't want anyone. I've counted it.
Speaker 4: There's seven better than him.
Speaker 3: I think there's about three or four where they're on par,
Speaker 3: including ko Weeks, like I think they're all on part.
Speaker 3: There's about three or four that about equal. But I
Speaker 3: think there's seven better than.
Speaker 1: I will just say stop. I mentioned one that's that
Speaker 1: Buller's better than Ryan Papenhausen, Kaylen Ponger, Dylan Edwards, Dave Tedesco,
Speaker 1: the Hammer, Tom Dravoivich.
Speaker 3: Tom's bastard, Tom's bustard, Tom Tom's bustard. He's he's not
Speaker 3: a fool's playing center.
Speaker 1: Reese Walsh out the names here, got the young fallback
Speaker 1: from Paramatta. I only Will Kennedy, So you stopped.
Speaker 3: He's better than them.
Speaker 1: The others I wrote down, we're just Worri's fullback Corey
Speaker 1: Harran and Ara No that's names uh and Will Kennedy.
Speaker 1: I think Ball is better than Kennedy, so I'd probably
Speaker 1: go about ninth or tenth coach. But with Rob's point,
Speaker 1: the upside is he's probably got ten good years.
Speaker 3: In front of Latrell's the other one better than him.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't run him down.
Speaker 3: There's seven that are definitely better than him. Runs on
Speaker 3: the board, just everything they've done, Rob, I'll disagree with you.
Speaker 3: You know, the only fullback in the game for our
Speaker 3: team i'd swap him with is Latrell Mitual Wow. I
Speaker 3: know for our team and how we play a big
Speaker 3: body like that, that's the only person on top of
Speaker 3: But I.
Speaker 4: Think that's the best way of trying to make my point,
Speaker 4: Like because there's what part of the game doesn't Dream have.
Speaker 4: He's got everything, But I hear, I mean, I think
Speaker 4: Latrell at his best is the best. Like when he's on,
Speaker 4: he is the absolute X factor of the NRL.
Speaker 1: All right, let's tape his net back next week. Boys
Speaker 1: in the number one Jersey, Let's move on to wingplay Gary. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we had Charlie out there today with Durell Skelton. What
Speaker 1: did you make of their games? Before we talk generally
Speaker 1: about our wingers.
Speaker 2: H Charlie Stains had a very forgettable game today, one
Speaker 2: he will want out of his mind fairly quickly.
Speaker 3: A number of errors.
Speaker 2: He didn't make the meters he had been making the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: I thought he struggled to get up the field.
Speaker 2: Drell had a Drell game, did real Yeah, did some
Speaker 2: really good things. Gets caught out with some poor decisions
Speaker 2: in defense quite regularly. But I think it was one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy meters or something in attack coming out
Speaker 2: of our own end, and that's crucial for our team
Speaker 2: at the moment. So I don't don't know how you
Speaker 2: can replace him when you've got a guy who can
Speaker 2: who makes so many yards out of her back end.
Speaker 1: What about the combination of the wingers, coach, if say
Speaker 1: you're starting new franchise, do you need one that's sort
Speaker 1: of powerful it can do that yard of Jady running
Speaker 1: and one that's fast or one that's tall, like a
Speaker 1: bit of a difference between the two, or.
Speaker 3: It's your own flavor as a coach and as a team.
Speaker 3: What you want for me it's pretty clear what the
Speaker 3: future looking like. I think Tito will be when we
Speaker 3: are and I think in the short term I mus
Speaker 3: see Makassini will be the other one this season. I'd
Speaker 3: say at some stage of this season he will play.
Speaker 3: All things being equal, and as long as staff for
Speaker 3: Towers doesn't go sort of backwards, I think that's what
Speaker 3: will look like. And like I said to Rob earlier,
Speaker 3: I've been watching the new South Welst cover very carefully,
Speaker 3: and his yardage carried through outstanding. It was excellent yesterday.
Speaker 3: He's ready right now if the rules weren't in place,
Speaker 3: I noticed for a fact speaking to people. If the
Speaker 3: rules were the old rules, well he didn't have to
Speaker 3: be aided and he would have played first raid by now.
Speaker 1: As Skelton done enough Rob to sort of solidify his place,
Speaker 1: or do you think he's going to come under pressure
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks.
Speaker 4: He'll come under pressure if he keeps conceding tries and
Speaker 4: making poor decisions with his defensive breades. But for now,
Speaker 4: he's doing a really good job with his yardage and
Speaker 4: he's certainly intent on hitting people. As I said to
Speaker 4: Adele earlier, like he's just smashing guys out of the
Speaker 4: park at least once a game, and it was a
Speaker 4: big one today. It was a big one today. It
Speaker 4: was a big one against the Warriors, against tow a
Speaker 4: peaky I think it was. And I think he might
Speaker 4: have even done one of the game before. But we've
Speaker 4: got to identify that. And as I keep referring to Adel,
Speaker 4: because he's right in most of the things he says,
Speaker 4: you've got to sort out the defensive side of things
Speaker 4: before you worry about the attack.
Speaker 1: Do we need to recruit any one of the outside
Speaker 1: backs going now? Taylor Mays there and Macatini coming through
Speaker 1: not a priority.
Speaker 3: I'm fairly happy with outside backs.
Speaker 2: I think there's still a few issues we've got to
Speaker 2: fix up in the middle, especially, but yeah, I think
Speaker 2: our outside backs are pretty good for next year.
Speaker 3: To sign Taylor today as beautiful as today was bad
Speaker 3: as well, you know what that's doing. You know what
Speaker 3: that's doing. There's about ten clubs at the moment right
Speaker 3: now sitting there and going, well, okay, what do we
Speaker 3: They've taken the hit for us, The stigma and the
Speaker 3: negativity has gone because he's back. We can now genuinely
Speaker 3: go in and say, okay, well, you know he's an offer.
Speaker 4: Don't be scaring where Tigers fans. He's got his brother there.
Speaker 4: He ain't going anywhere. We'll make him right.
Speaker 3: It's not this is where the pressure comes on the club,
Speaker 3: Like you've got to get this right. You've got to
Speaker 3: figure it out and you've got to know it. You've
Speaker 3: got to do it fast, do it quick, and it's
Speaker 3: got to get done. And we've got the money. Geez,
Speaker 3: we've got a massive war chance.
Speaker 2: That's a huge one outstanding today like elite, elite. Yeah,
Speaker 2: every time he touched the balls he looked like he
Speaker 2: was a chance of going for He's a grown man.
Speaker 2: It's for once we've got an outside back who's a
Speaker 2: grown man. Is intimidating. He wins on both sides of
Speaker 2: the football.
Speaker 4: First, we've had a long time just to quickly touch
Speaker 4: back on SkELL when Taylor May made that break about
Speaker 4: the fifty second or fifty third minutes today and like
Speaker 4: Skelton was back at the ranch, like you've got a
Speaker 4: Macasini there backing up.
Speaker 1: You're often gone coach edgeback row. Respectfully, I don't think
Speaker 1: Tony Suko and Alex Safits are going to scare many
Speaker 1: teams going forward. But with Kypeers Paul coming in next
Speaker 1: year and samuela finer didn't play today, do we need
Speaker 1: to recruit in that area.
Speaker 3: No, No, because we've made the decision with Kype's Paul.
Speaker 3: Samuel is going to get better and better every year,
Speaker 3: and the more he plays for us, the better he's
Speaker 3: going to become. He's shown his toughness the last couple
Speaker 3: of weeks. Like one of the things I always talk
Speaker 3: about with people, when people say people are playing with injuries,
Speaker 3: I say, they're playing. If you're playing, you're not injured.
Speaker 3: He's been injured and he's been playing and he has
Speaker 3: not He hasn't been Paul like. He hasn't been great like,
Speaker 3: he hasn't been outstanding, but he's been really solid and
Speaker 3: he's gone after the game, like how many times have
Speaker 3: we send him one kick chases? He's so aggressive? So no,
Speaker 3: and kuype his Paul. You know what. Taking him out
Speaker 3: of that Newcastle team a little bit more of a
Speaker 3: situation where I think he's going to find a little
Speaker 3: bit more comfort in the way we play the game.
Speaker 3: It might suit him, but I'm yet to determine whether
Speaker 3: that's going to be a good or great signing for US.
Speaker 3: I want to see what happens.
Speaker 2: Newcastle's a very left hand side of suicide, So I
Speaker 2: think you'll get a lot more chances with the ball
Speaker 2: playing for US. I think so you'll at least have
Speaker 2: the opportunity of the show more than he's getting to
Speaker 2: show at the moment. And Sam fayin who that combination
Speaker 2: with Laway is really starting to develop. The last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks, he's been hitting some holes where he's just
Speaker 2: about to bust through them. That's going to come really good,
Speaker 2: very very soon. So hopefully he can get back on
Speaker 2: the field quick smart.
Speaker 1: Would Jerone be a difficult guy to play with coach
Speaker 1: first up as like as an edgeback role just because
Speaker 1: if he you know, off the left foot, off the
Speaker 1: left foot, not so bad difficult.
Speaker 3: I think it's adjusting to it absolutely. But you know,
Speaker 3: like a lot of what we do comes off the
Speaker 3: back of how we square up with first receiver, and
Speaker 3: we've shown on numerous occasions, especially when Adam did it
Speaker 3: really well back into last week, so it shows it
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean it matters who the person is as
Speaker 3: long as that first receiver is squaring the line. Up
Speaker 3: really well and giving Jerome the ball with good shape
Speaker 3: off the back of it and the service of the
Speaker 3: pass is really important. So one of the fundamentals I
Speaker 3: always talk about is when you are running shape, the
Speaker 3: ball must be given to the outside shoulder of the
Speaker 3: attack running onto the ball. The moment he has to
Speaker 3: catch it on his back shoulder, it just kills the flow.
Speaker 3: You know how Harvey's for a back round at a
Speaker 3: time he's lyne. If the person inside him has to
Speaker 3: a split second of having to adjust to catching the pass,
Speaker 3: it breaks everything down. The good teams what they do
Speaker 3: is they nail it. They don't miss a pass. Every
Speaker 3: pass is right out in front, on the outside shoulder
Speaker 3: catching the ball. It allows him to catch the ball
Speaker 3: and start adjusting where he's going to play out to
Speaker 3: say it's difficult, no, but it would be an adjustment
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: That that ball playing was probably the difficulty Adam had today.
Speaker 2: There was a number of times where it was in
Speaker 2: that inside shoulder with the ball, so it's probably something
Speaker 2: you need to work and I think it got better
Speaker 2: as the game went on, but early in that first half,
Speaker 2: a couple of times you put it behind the player.
Speaker 1: Bench in it changed everything to do with that, rob
Speaker 1: How do you think Benji is used it this year?
Speaker 1: Is there an ideal mix for our bench? And has
Speaker 1: he got that right at the moment?
Speaker 3: I think you got it right today.
Speaker 4: You must be listening to Adele a little bit because
Speaker 4: we started with that beyond the bench, which he's sort
Speaker 4: of touted.
Speaker 3: We started with.
Speaker 4: Jack Bird in the back row, which I prefer jack
Speaker 4: Bird on the bench. But it was a pretty solid bench.
Speaker 4: I mean, you've got a lot of impact with Sioni
Speaker 4: and Venua coming off there.
Speaker 3: It was interesting. A lot of people today asked me
Speaker 3: why did Sione not come on at halftime? So you
Speaker 3: never want to make more than three changes in the
Speaker 3: first half, and the difference this week is he wanted
Speaker 3: to make the hooka change. So because of how you
Speaker 3: did your system, one of the middle forwards gets sacrificed.
Speaker 3: And obviously Benji decided that Suker was going to come
Speaker 3: off as well, so that looked like it was planned
Speaker 3: with the Suker change, so that just looked like pre
Speaker 3: game strategy. But the Hooker change, and obviously it became
Speaker 3: pretty clear that that's what he was doing. Once that happened,
Speaker 3: I knew one of the middle forwards wouldn't come.
Speaker 1: Off Jack Bird and Alex Safa Gary, I know you're
Speaker 1: not the biggest Safer fan. You're a Bird defender from
Speaker 1: what I've heard the last couple of weeks. A last coach. First,
Speaker 1: who would you rather have in your seven eight if
Speaker 1: they're on the bench, sa Fath or Bird? If it
Speaker 1: came down to one.
Speaker 3: Spot Bird Jack Bird? Absolutely, I think I experience. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I think the hard part. I feel so
Speaker 3: sorry for Jack Bird, Like he competes on every single play,
Speaker 3: and yes he does some things where sometimes he's there,
Speaker 3: you got himself? What are you doing? And I heard
Speaker 3: one guy today is absolutely ripping into him every time
Speaker 3: he caught the book. Because Jack Bird, when he catches
Speaker 3: the ball, he jumps in the end that he runs.
Speaker 3: It might have been meat coached. It's his style. I
Speaker 3: know it's not pretty, but it's just he's done it
Speaker 3: since he was in twod A Cup back in the days,
Speaker 3: Like that's how he carries.
Speaker 1: The what's his best position if he is starting in the.
Speaker 3: Now back row? Oh sorry for us, right now back row.
Speaker 3: He's signed a two year deal. Rob, I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I tak it's a two year deal, right, so then
Speaker 3: the day next year, all things being equal, he's going
Speaker 3: to be on the bench. He's probably not gonna play
Speaker 3: big minutes, and he's gonna fill whatever role we need
Speaker 3: him to play. And I think he's happy with that.
Speaker 3: Like it looks to me like jack Bird is one
Speaker 3: of those guys when he's on the bench and we
Speaker 3: score a try, he's cheering.
Speaker 1: I saw him no that game against Gronalla at like
Speaker 1: over after the golden point, he had the jacket on
Speaker 1: and he ran onto the field and celebrated. And I thought,
Speaker 1: for a guy who's played Origin and he's played twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes for the game, man, that's good team play mate.
Speaker 3: It's so important, and that's why someone like Tita Daruva.
Speaker 3: You know, I did Tito a long time ago because
Speaker 3: I remember him sitting in eighteenth man for Penrith for
Speaker 3: like fifteen games in a row. There was no bigger
Speaker 3: supporter on the sideline.
Speaker 1: He nearly did a lap of honor. When do he
Speaker 1: kick that field goal or Tito, there's twelve seconds ago.
Speaker 1: Man just relaxed any ways, right to the sideline. He
Speaker 1: was all halfway.
Speaker 3: If I ever want to, if you ever want to
Speaker 3: judge players. And this is to all our fans. Watch
Speaker 3: when good things happen and watch the bench because who
Speaker 3: reacts how It tells a big picture and tells a
Speaker 3: big story on who they are and what they are,
Speaker 3: what the club means to them.
Speaker 1: Garyuld you like to go to captain's runs? Apparently I
Speaker 1: said yes, I said there a day early. But apparently
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if Benji likes you watching
Speaker 1: his training session.
Speaker 3: He was looking for advicement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's the game with Roy Sarton? Have you
Speaker 1: got some inside mail or why he's not playing first grade?
Speaker 2: From what I've heard from the club yesterday, it's all
Speaker 2: about increasing his minutes on the field. So he's got
Speaker 2: some benchmarks he needs to hit fitness wise till I
Speaker 2: am to play more minutes on the field, and if
Speaker 2: he hits those, he will be back in first grade.
Speaker 1: Should he be on the bench?
Speaker 4: Rob when the club thinks he's fitting ready to be
Speaker 4: on the benches and when Benji can trust him, That's
Speaker 4: what it comes down to.
Speaker 3: It's about trust.
Speaker 4: He couldn't trust him to put him back on the
Speaker 4: field for the cow against the Cowboys when we needed
Speaker 4: him in those last ten minutes, he was puffing and
Speaker 4: puffing after what eleven minutes, came off, had sixty minutes
Speaker 4: threst and he still didn' trust.
Speaker 3: To put him back on. I think it's a good
Speaker 3: test of his ego, right, I think it's I think
Speaker 3: it's brave from Benji. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: that's the one thing someone criticized that that's a Benji signing.
Speaker 3: Benji wanted Royce Hunt, So Royce Hunt cannot be spitting
Speaker 3: chips at this, can he? No?
Speaker 2: And look, I've been watching the New South fal Was
Speaker 2: coup the last couple of weeks. He's increasing his minutes.
Speaker 2: He seems to be putting in two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: He didn't go to New Zealand last weekend, but the
Speaker 2: weekend before I thought he had a really strong game
Speaker 2: played played close to the thirty thirty five minutes, and
Speaker 2: I think yesterday was around the forty minute mark. So
Speaker 2: he seems to be putting in the effort. He needs
Speaker 2: to improve those things. So I don't think he's kind
Speaker 2: of pulled up stumps and he's going to do a
Speaker 2: Russell Packer. I think he's going to put in and
Speaker 2: tack into the side.
Speaker 1: That mission Russell, let's move on, boys. We won't do
Speaker 1: the last one because we're going to run out of time,
Speaker 1: going to go straight into buy Sell and hold. We'll
Speaker 1: try and do twelve. We might not get through all
Speaker 1: of them, Rob, I'm going to throw the first one
Speaker 1: to you. Tim Sheen's returning in twenty twenty two. I
Speaker 1: know he was sort of director of coaching or whatever
Speaker 1: at the Start.
Speaker 3: Club back halfways at the Start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was like where is he now? Back
Speaker 1: to teaching at Westfield or I'm not sure what is doing?
Speaker 1: But did that set the club back five years? By
Speaker 1: or Sell?
Speaker 3: Now I'm buying that. I hate to say it.
Speaker 4: It's not a nice thing to say about someone that
Speaker 4: bought your only premiership success to the club, But I
Speaker 4: think it's a fact.
Speaker 3: I bought a premiership in Harvey Dormant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got Peyton and Tim Sheen's yeah.
Speaker 3: Gary.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that or not?
Speaker 3: I don't know whether i'd say it it set us
Speaker 3: back five years.
Speaker 2: I think we're already on that down with Spiral and
Speaker 2: he didn't think us out of it, but I think
Speaker 2: we're already heading in that direction when he got here.
Speaker 4: Well he got here four years ago, so one more
Speaker 4: year of it and it's five years more positive.
Speaker 1: One on Tim Coach, his first belt from two thousand
Speaker 1: and three to twenty twelve was underbreciated by Tigers fans
Speaker 1: by or Sell.
Speaker 3: I'm selling that. I think we over I think we underappreciated. No,
Speaker 3: I think we actually looked too far into it. I
Speaker 3: actually don't think. I think our premierships, beautiful as it
Speaker 3: was back then, has almost affected us. I think we
Speaker 3: reflect back on it way too much. And the end
Speaker 3: of the day, the truth be told, I think it
Speaker 3: was a fluke and did it come too quickly? Like, No,
Speaker 3: I don't think it comes I think the next year, well,
Speaker 3: the next couple of years after it are the problems
Speaker 3: eight four years in a row afterwards? Premiership Well, I
Speaker 3: think at the end you can acknowledge it. You can,
Speaker 3: you can believe it or not. It was a fluke.
Speaker 3: It was a fluke premiership. It's like nothing, It's less
Speaker 3: the city in the api.
Speaker 1: Like do you know the four and against in that
Speaker 1: final series we smashed every time we played.
Speaker 4: No, we went on for the four game one and
Speaker 4: I did this the other day. Actually, our average was ten.
Speaker 4: It was like I think in the last twenty years
Speaker 4: we were like the tenth best best against in that period.
Speaker 4: The point being is we went on a really good run.
Speaker 4: We were high on confidence and I admitted.
Speaker 2: We made one final series in ten years and we
Speaker 2: won the Compyeah, like.
Speaker 3: That really felt initiation. That really told you the story.
Speaker 1: If you can say we flopped it, if we've belt
Speaker 1: at everyone around us, like who should have won it
Speaker 1: that year?
Speaker 3: I was George and Paramatta well leaps and drawing everybody.
Speaker 3: We want to get flogged in the Harryminary Final, Paramount Paramat.
Speaker 4: But you know why it's underappreciated because we got the
Speaker 4: success too quickly, which is what you were saying, Gary.
Speaker 4: I think the success did come too quickly, and given
Speaker 4: we had so much young talent there with the Fulton's
Speaker 4: and the Hinington's and the you know who else was there, Gibson.
Speaker 3: But Robert's very similar. Penrith did the same thing in
Speaker 3: that two thousand and three year where they were poor,
Speaker 3: they won a premiership. They went to a couple of
Speaker 3: finals after it, they didn't have much success for a
Speaker 3: long time, but it was very similar to Penrith. I
Speaker 3: just think for us the years after it, at least
Speaker 3: Penrith made a prelium after that, they made the finals
Speaker 3: the year after that. They showed that obviously they didn't
Speaker 3: win a premiership, but they showed that there was something
Speaker 3: that was built there for us. The Scott Prince Scott
Speaker 3: Prince leaving was a knife in the heart Master.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine the narrative if he won too. We're one
Speaker 1: point away from winning two, you know, because we should have.
Speaker 3: We should have put a two thousand. We were the
Speaker 3: best team. I'll never forgive the referee for the Jeremy
Speaker 3: Smith knees in the back on Lottie. Yeah, never forgive it.
Speaker 3: Ten and eleven we should have won one of those.
Speaker 1: Question number three, I'll throw it to you, Gary Terrell
Speaker 1: may should have played Origin this season by yourself.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm buying that every day of the week.
Speaker 2: I think he's had a line put through his name
Speaker 2: and and there was decisions made around other people in
Speaker 2: the team that they decided they didn't want Torell in there.
Speaker 2: And he would have given at least as much as
Speaker 2: Stefano gave in in that series.
Speaker 1: So I would have had him from a tactical sort
Speaker 1: of point of view coach. Like they talk about, he
Speaker 1: gets a sort of slow play the ball and some props.
Speaker 1: But I watched the starting front. I can't even remember
Speaker 1: his name for your South Well, is he King? King?
Speaker 1: And Stefano did?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 1: Terrell may clearly deserve a spot over those two in
Speaker 1: a different sort of arena origin.
Speaker 3: No doubt about he deserved the spot. I mean, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you're a coach, you living
Speaker 3: noble decision. So that's that's them, that's a Lorie Daily.
Speaker 1: Do you think he got red penned because of his
Speaker 1: personality orfield stuff or because of his style of play?
Speaker 3: You're meaning to tell you the truth. Yeah, Lorie Daily
Speaker 3: has never liked West Tiger's players, never liked the West
Speaker 3: Tiger's style. He's never been a fan of it. Even
Speaker 3: when remember in the days he used to call for.
Speaker 1: Fox was very they were dark days though.
Speaker 3: It was a bad caller, not to start because he've
Speaker 3: been coach of News.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the reference.
Speaker 3: He was the core that always to say this is
Speaker 3: a game of two.
Speaker 1: Hot Yeah, clich the cliche.
Speaker 4: But on the football side of it too, I know
Speaker 4: he does a job for us having to play often
Speaker 4: seventy and eighty minutes. There's nothing to say that he
Speaker 4: couldn't have had a reduced roll at forty minutes or thirty.
Speaker 3: Well for the Roosters. The whole narrative around that was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It is And the thing is he can provide impact
Speaker 2: when he plays eighty minutes. He doesn't hit the line
Speaker 2: as hard as he does when you play shorter minutes.
Speaker 2: Then there's been games, especially in the back end of
Speaker 2: games this year, where he has started hit the line
Speaker 2: quite hard. So I think there is a little bit
Speaker 2: of pacing himself throughout an eighty minute game. And I
Speaker 2: think he came out himself and said last week sometime,
Speaker 2: but he actually won the Impact Player of the Year
Speaker 2: coming off the bench for the roof.
Speaker 3: To use Eddie's expertise in cricket, you don't bat the
Speaker 3: same intest cricket as you do in t twenty unless
Speaker 3: you're England.
Speaker 1: Maybe I thought you were going to start talking about
Speaker 1: the Indians like Adellasa. Thank you for not doing that
Speaker 1: it instead question number four, I throw it to you,
Speaker 1: Rob Adam Dewey will be at the West Tigers in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six by ourself neither. I'm going to hold
Speaker 1: on that he allowed one, hold can use one.
Speaker 4: I'm going to use this as a whole because if
Speaker 4: you ask me this question two weeks ago, one hundred percent,
Speaker 4: I would have said he's gone.
Speaker 3: He's not staying, given what he's done.
Speaker 4: And if he proves how important he is, like he
Speaker 4: has the last few weeks and he keeps that going,
Speaker 4: especially a good performance against Penrith and the Ilkut, like
Speaker 4: that sort of team, I think you've got to buy him.
Speaker 3: But it's got to be at the right price.
Speaker 1: You think he should be. But will he like his
Speaker 1: market might be growing by the week if he can
Speaker 1: play lock at other clubs.
Speaker 4: I would normally say he's not going to be there.
Speaker 4: But I saw his reaction again today after the game.
Speaker 4: He loves the West Tigers. He is a Tiger. That's
Speaker 4: his that's who he supports. Okay, jump in all two things.
Speaker 4: He needs to be careful the way he speaks in
Speaker 4: press conferences. That's the first thing. That was a pretty yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: that's the first thing.
Speaker 3: And and I'll ask you this question, rong sure does
Speaker 3: he love the West Tigers or does he love Adam?
Speaker 3: Do he? Because if someone else kicks the field gold today,
Speaker 3: does he have the same reaction He's let the knees
Speaker 3: he loves both. No, No, I'm not saying he does
Speaker 3: or doesn't. I'm just that's for me. I love the
Speaker 3: West Tigers and I love me you love the West Time. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not saying I was crying at full time.
Speaker 3: I was crying. I'm not surprised, but that's what I
Speaker 3: want to say. That's that's after the press conference. I
Speaker 3: didn't like the you know this, I didn't like the
Speaker 3: press conference. I didn't like like that's yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: like the press conference on Wednesday. Okay, can I backtrack
Speaker 3: a little bit? Then?
Speaker 4: We've all heard about the stout between Adam and Benji. Okay,
Speaker 4: and that was real, that happened to whatever degree. If
Speaker 4: that was the case, he wouldn't be playing first grade.
Speaker 4: Like I think. What I'm trying to say to you
Speaker 4: is what matters is what he does on the field
Speaker 4: and what he gives our team. And some egos have
Speaker 4: been put aside because if he if like for that
Speaker 4: to go public, that's come from that's come from Adam's camp.
Speaker 3: I know we don't all believe in the whole social
Speaker 3: media thing. I love Jerome's Instagram today after the game
Speaker 3: was referring to Dewey.
Speaker 1: I saw the one where he put up one of
Speaker 1: Latu being like the chosen one. I thought he's been
Speaker 1: holding that in the back pocket for eight weeks, just
Speaker 1: waiting at a shot at Galvin.
Speaker 3: Jerome knows, and Pei've always had this thing that they
Speaker 3: they send messages out there and in support message is
Speaker 3: just as much as sometimes subtle digs. But even today,
Speaker 3: like Jerome, I did do it and he said in
Speaker 3: the press conference he's the man with ice in his veins.
Speaker 3: That's a compliment coming from Jerome LOUI yeah, nice, the
Speaker 3: full time premiership winner. So I think it's all about
Speaker 3: as long as Dewey's interacting with everybody and he's a
Speaker 3: part of the squad, I think there's no problem.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not doing number five boys. I must
Speaker 1: have been in a bad mood when I wrote that,
Speaker 1: so on going that one away at number six, there
Speaker 1: will never be another player like Benji Marshall, Gary By
Speaker 1: or Sell.
Speaker 2: No, there will never be a guy who who brought
Speaker 2: the excitement to our club that he did. I can't
Speaker 2: see that happening for us again. I can't really see
Speaker 2: it happening across the league again. And his style of play,
Speaker 2: it was incredibly unique and I don't think we see
Speaker 2: that again either, Coach.
Speaker 1: Do you think Benji Marshall under Tim Sheen's the way
Speaker 1: he was allowed to play brought out the best in him?
Speaker 1: Or he could have been even better at his time
Speaker 1: if he was, say under a Craig Bellamy or whoever.
Speaker 3: He may not have been Benji Marshall under a different caation. Look,
Speaker 3: I'll give you my modern day comparison. I think it's Rees.
Speaker 1: Walsh rockstar or just the way he plays.
Speaker 3: Like every limb, everything, the things that he can do
Speaker 3: and almost like you remember back then, Benji used be criticized,
Speaker 3: like people used to call often all the time, other
Speaker 3: clubs and all that, like it's very similar to what
Speaker 3: Rechewalsh cops at the moment. But Reese Walsh can do
Speaker 3: things very similar to Benji that you just sit there
Speaker 3: and go how That's that's my comparison.
Speaker 4: Benji would have been a better player if he had
Speaker 4: a proper halfback in that whole time he had Scott
Speaker 4: Prince and then he only succeeded again.
Speaker 3: We had Robert Louis, they.
Speaker 1: Had our Cooper cronk John Morris.
Speaker 3: Well, she's tried to turn him into a game and
Speaker 3: he took away that exactly. What was a terrible call.
Speaker 2: That was you have a look at his three best
Speaker 2: seasons were five when you had Scot Princes playing next
Speaker 2: to him, and then twenty ten and twenty eleven when
Speaker 2: he had it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It was a terrible call. But you can see why
Speaker 4: she's did it. We needed someone that had the IQ
Speaker 4: that would be able to game manage, but it didn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, you took away all that individual attacking brilliance.
Speaker 1: Do a philosophical one coach general sort of one. Rugby
Speaker 1: league is a better product now than ever by ourself,
Speaker 1: by absolutely rubbish.
Speaker 3: That's the old man.
Speaker 1: Actually, I know the athletes and the players are better
Speaker 1: than ever. That's not an argument. But all the rules,
Speaker 1: the six again, the bunker, it's better product than it
Speaker 1: was in the late nineties, early two thousands.
Speaker 3: Absolutely it is.
Speaker 4: Robbie, are disagree, absolutely totally disagree with that. And you
Speaker 4: know what the problem is. They're all better athletes, they're
Speaker 4: all better at everything. That what the old players used
Speaker 4: to be able to do. The problem now is the
Speaker 4: game is too professional. It is like back we came
Speaker 4: out of an ear him here, we came out of
Speaker 4: an ear that was semi professional. Okay, well, when we're
Speaker 4: going to see chips over the top on the first
Speaker 4: or second tackle.
Speaker 3: You'd be shot dead if you do that.
Speaker 4: Now it's because now we know what works that the
Speaker 4: style of game, managing, the playing, the percentages there was
Speaker 4: we played it.
Speaker 3: We had ears that were more exciting to watch. I'm
Speaker 3: sure the athletes are better. They can put the ball
Speaker 3: down in amazing ways.
Speaker 4: We've taken away that corner post rule that makes some
Speaker 4: of the tried put downs incredible. And some of the
Speaker 4: wingers today would would have been the most elite prop
Speaker 4: forwards thirty or forty years ago. Like the size of
Speaker 4: I get all that. I get their better athletes. I
Speaker 4: get they're better at what they do individually. You're saying
Speaker 4: the product to watch, mate, I get so frustrated seeing
Speaker 4: five six agains on a try line, like, how the
Speaker 4: freak are you supposed to stop that?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Do you know what's the only thing that's changed in
Speaker 3: the modern day rob What is the television it's what
Speaker 3: we get access to has changed it. To me, that's
Speaker 3: what's changed the game. Like things like the referees Mike,
Speaker 3: for example, I think that's changed everything in the game.
Speaker 3: I think all the camera angles that the but the
Speaker 3: fundamentally the game has played exactly the teame. You go
Speaker 3: watch a you go watch a cup game, it's like playing.
Speaker 3: It's like watching the old days, watch flag, watch the
Speaker 3: ones with no TV.
Speaker 1: I reckon the TV should only be able to show
Speaker 1: the replay once, and we wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I hate the whole narrative of you know, we've no
Speaker 3: I hate them old because you know what you watch
Speaker 3: other professional sports around the world, they're all evolving, like
Speaker 3: this is the world. It's evolving, and we get left behind.
Speaker 3: We get left behind, We will get left behind if
Speaker 3: we don't catch up. I just think the biggest thing
Speaker 3: I'd want to take out of the game right now.
Speaker 3: I think it has an impact, and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: happy to be wrong, is the MIC's on the referees.
Speaker 3: I don't think we should hear anything until we have to,
Speaker 3: so I unless the bunk, But.
Speaker 4: How does that affect that what the game looks like? Though,
Speaker 4: like their referees.
Speaker 3: I don't get that because we don't need to know
Speaker 3: what's going on and you can hear everything. I think
Speaker 3: you take the referees that the MIC's off the referees.
Speaker 3: It stops becoming a part of the game where we
Speaker 3: actually hear him.
Speaker 4: You know, the ko Weeks try we saw the other
Speaker 4: week where he chipped over the top in the wet
Speaker 4: weather and score the winning try. We used to see
Speaker 4: that three times a weekend, and we get to see
Speaker 4: that like once every blue moon now, because the game
Speaker 4: is the game is about percentages, it's about it's about winning.
Speaker 4: It's about winning. You're right, But I'm saying the product,
Speaker 4: the product was more exciting.
Speaker 3: We're just getting old.
Speaker 2: Rob the Woodwean guys in the in the nineties were
Speaker 2: saying the game was better in the seventies because that's
Speaker 2: what they grew up with.
Speaker 3: That's what they saw a week to week.
Speaker 4: Now, if you go back further, like you don't want
Speaker 4: the unlimited tackle r although we're doing dummy half runs,
Speaker 4: that's just stupid.
Speaker 3: What's better? Wow?
Speaker 1: How was the game in the seventies?
Speaker 3: Right, I'll send it now.
Speaker 4: The game in the in the in the sixties, Oh, Sorry,
Speaker 4: it's always going to join.
Speaker 3: Hear me out him out. The game in the seventies
Speaker 3: was boring.
Speaker 4: It was only when Canterbury came along and they were
Speaker 4: the entertainers of rugby league and they scored these tries
Speaker 4: with the three hues and the three mortimers and with
Speaker 4: the field and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And then Phil Blake.
Speaker 4: Came along and you know for Mammy in nineteen whatever
Speaker 4: it was eighty two and he started doing chips over
Speaker 4: the top every week.
Speaker 3: Sorry, we watched the Bulldogs Penrith game the other week.
Speaker 1: That was entertaining, low scoring games off and best.
Speaker 3: That was the great. That was a great game of footy.
Speaker 3: It's very rare. Adyll that to me, that's very rare.
Speaker 3: And that was low scoring sena football. You know, they
Speaker 3: were like that was like a heavyweight fight. That was
Speaker 3: throwing punches at each other. Yeah, it comes down to
Speaker 3: the quality of the teams and the like the Penrith
Speaker 3: Broncos Grand Final, what a game like. There's the Broncos
Speaker 3: Cowboys twenty fifteen. There's grand finals. You know, they were
Speaker 3: better than we lost any night. They were better than
Speaker 3: eighty nine for example.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we're only going to do two more boys because
Speaker 1: we're running on about an hour. Gary, I'll rephrase this
Speaker 1: one a little bit. Royce Hunt's contract was a bad
Speaker 1: contract by or self.
Speaker 2: Well, at this point, while he's playing reserve great, I
Speaker 2: have to say that's a bad contract. I'm going to
Speaker 2: buy it with the proviso that it could change if
Speaker 2: he does get those fitness issues fixed up, But at
Speaker 2: this point in time, it seems like a bad contract.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do number ten because that could
Speaker 1: just set me off at this time and I don't
Speaker 1: need that victory. Do you want to do number ten?
Speaker 3: Leaving get your best topic?
Speaker 1: I reckon, all right, let's do it then, Rob, Rob
Speaker 1: Rob though Rob number ten? I reckon Jason Taylor. If
Speaker 1: we're doing a draft like we did before, this is
Speaker 1: a reverse draft. So in terrible order. Had the was
Speaker 1: the biggest factor in the West Tiger's demise over the
Speaker 1: past decade by.
Speaker 3: Or Sell, You're going to hate this answer. I'm going
Speaker 3: to sell it. I'm going to sell it. Of course
Speaker 3: he's going to sell it.
Speaker 1: You're going to give me a name or you're just
Speaker 1: gonna Why am I going.
Speaker 3: To sell it?
Speaker 4: Don want to see if you're heading because he's got
Speaker 4: his two mates, he's going to rip into No, not
Speaker 4: at all, No, no, no, no. I think Jason Taylor
Speaker 4: was arguably probably the worst thing that ever happened to
Speaker 4: our club.
Speaker 3: But what was what was the reason he was there?
Speaker 3: It was Grant Mayor.
Speaker 4: Grant Mayor is the one that got a commission Brian
Speaker 4: Smith to do the full inquiry and and make sure
Speaker 4: they got Robbie Farry out of the club and all
Speaker 4: that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So to me, like, if you're doing a.
Speaker 4: Draft order, that's Grant Mayor and Jason Taylor is very
Speaker 4: close after that.
Speaker 3: Do you think those two above Lee and Justin Well
Speaker 3: it started the rot if we'd have had if we
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had saying Lean Justin, I'm just I thought,
Speaker 3: from your perspective, was going to be directly straight to that. No,
Speaker 3: Lee was.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm just trying to be objective about it. What
Speaker 4: started it? And we have we set him off? No, No,
Speaker 4: there's I'm not going to get anything out of bagging
Speaker 4: Lee and Justin anymore. They anyone that's anyone that's objective
Speaker 4: knows how diabolical their whole situation and their performance was
Speaker 4: the whole time so I'll let that go.
Speaker 3: But where did the start? Where did the draft order start?
Speaker 1: Big shout out to Jason Taylor. If you listen to.
Speaker 4: Brand May wouldn't even do an interview. You couldn't even
Speaker 4: contacted him. He was working on the Penske file like
Speaker 4: he just never had anything to do. Robbie Farrell was
Speaker 4: always a spokesman of the club, like facing the media
Speaker 4: because our CEO wasn't there.
Speaker 1: No grant, we've done pretty well tonight. We haven't talked
Speaker 1: about referees all stuff like that. A big shout out
Speaker 1: to Ballita Sharp. It was bad for both teams today.
Speaker 1: So I had a good game. Let's finish with the
Speaker 1: last one, Adele, I'm going to change. It's not on
Speaker 1: the list, so no point looking at a bit of paper.
Speaker 1: West Tigers will finish outside the bottom four. By ourself,
Speaker 1: we're currently outside the bottom four.
Speaker 3: So bye. I thought for some reason, I've thought it
Speaker 3: was top four. No, we'll finish inside the top four.
Speaker 3: Is well? I thought you said, no, I think we'll
Speaker 3: finish outside the bottom four.
Speaker 1: Who are the bottom for?
Speaker 3: Do you reckon what it is right now? Yeah? Newcastle?
Speaker 3: I think Newcastle's lost tonight, probably has absolutely destroyed their season. Yeah, Newcastle, Paramatta,
Speaker 3: South Latroll's gone for you, so as Cody Walker, They're gone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I know, is twelfth a successful season? I think
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: It's not a failure. There's an improvement, isn't it. It's
Speaker 3: not a failure. It's not a success, not a failure
Speaker 3: though it's in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Boys, it's been an absolute pleasure. Rob Can you just
Speaker 1: give a shout out because we are in a very
Speaker 1: shiny studio. I know we're only trying it tonight, but
Speaker 1: thank you for one for letting West Tiger's podcast come
Speaker 1: in and do a collaboration tonight. But do you want
Speaker 1: to give the guys a shout out?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 4: So we're here at miked Up at Parramatta, So miked
Speaker 4: up podcast Studios. Anyone out there looking to do a podcast? Yeah,
Speaker 4: please give Daniel Hannah a call And obviously I don't
Speaker 4: have the phone number on the top of my head,
Speaker 4: but just look them up on the website.
Speaker 3: This has just been amazing. I'm ready to move in. Boys.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: Here outstanding boys. This podcast will be out hopefully Wednesday
Speaker 1: morning and Joel will do the full game wrap up
Speaker 1: hopefully Monday night.
Speaker 3: Thank you boys, Thanks you guys. To