1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,399 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of plug Talk. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,160 I'm joined, of course, by my lovely co host and 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,439 fiance Lene of the plug Hey everyone, and right next 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,720 to her, we have today's special special guests. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Very special Peyton Presley. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,039 Speaker 1: How you doing. We have a very interesting backstory. 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,039 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, you do. 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder how she's gonna feel about 10 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:23,839 us bringing this up. 11 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,519 Speaker 4: We have been waiting. I wasn't sure if you guys 12 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:31,960 remember that's I remember very well well and it honestly 13 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:34,280 like ruined, like my week. 14 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:35,439 Speaker 2: What happened? 15 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,759 Speaker 1: No, I don't know who wants to start. 16 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: But so back in the days when Adam used to 17 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:44,079 have the store and people would come to the. 18 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,079 Speaker 1: Store, relaunching it again soon, yes. 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Were launching again soon. You know, it was like very 20 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:49,640 easy way to meet up with fans. The would come by, 21 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:54,679 take a photo whatever. There's clearly this very attractive, gorgeous fan. 22 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:56,359 I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to give you that. She 23 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:58,600 came to the store. It was my birthday, it was 24 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,200 your birthday. You came visit from Cargo, Yeah, with one 25 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,239 of your friends, and you were like you you smoked. 26 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: A joint he was broadcasting live. 27 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're alive, okay, But I think I met you 28 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,000 before we were alive, and then you came back, I like. 29 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,359 Speaker 4: Walked into the live basically yea, yeah, she got there 30 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,200 when you guys are on live. 31 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: And then you guys had the idea. I think you 32 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:20,640 text me like, can I or can she a joint 33 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:21,200 through my feet? 34 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 4: Whose feet? Was it? 35 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: Your toes? 36 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: Because of Little Pump and Riley Reid they had. 37 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Done it. 38 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,159 Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen if you can. 39 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, yeah, yeah. 40 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, And Adam was like, what, like what are you 41 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,840 are you willing to like do this right now live 42 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,680 like for real? And I'm like, fuck yeah, I like 43 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:43,519 to get it off my like boocket lits. 44 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: But I also recall you just straight up being like 45 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,599 I want to fuck you. 46 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,359 Speaker 2: And Lena that too. There might have been a little 47 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,120 bit of that, but that came after. I think, yeah, 48 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,200 I think we like you know, we kin't. I wasn't 49 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,519 there for this this toe session, but I came later, but. 50 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: You proved you came later, and I tried to convince 51 00:01:59,879 --> 00:02:02,079 you to suck my dick together in the bathroom. 52 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:03,799 Speaker 2: And I said I don't do that because we've gotta 53 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,480 get tested, and I'm boring. 54 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,159 Speaker 1: That was the beginning of me being a nanny and 55 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:10,039 making us get tested, even though now in the porn industry, 56 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,759 of course we get tested all the time, but that 57 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,479 was kind of before we had shot for real. 58 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 4: I wasn't even a porn star yet. 59 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:17,719 Speaker 2: No, no, you were an aspiring porn star. 60 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: How old were you probably in twenty eighteen? 61 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: H well right now, I'm twenty eight So this happened 62 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,479 like this must have happened. 63 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: Like it was your birthday. 64 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,879 Speaker 3: So how old were you turn five years ago? 65 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: But this was your first time in Lafe. 66 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I came to visit to like see how it 67 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:35,520 is because I knew I wanted to do porn, but 68 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,360 I just wanted. 69 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: To see because it's so different from Chicago, you know. 70 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,599 Speaker 1: So you figured, I'm going to go to the no 71 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:42,240 Jumper store and I'm going to hit on Adam, tell 72 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,240 him I want to fuck him and Lena and then 73 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,759 that will be my anty way into the game. 74 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: So then I come to the store and we kind 75 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,159 of hit it off, like I'm vibing with her. I 76 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:52,599 really like her FaceTime first, Yeah, I post her on 77 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,000 my story. I'm like she wants to do porn. I'm 78 00:02:55,039 --> 00:02:57,199 going to post her to my story, like help her 79 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,879 out here with like getting into it because I like her. 80 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:04,360 And then she sent you a naked video on Snapchat 81 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,919 and I got something like yeah or and texting dming 82 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,400 her back and she was hurt. 83 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: And then you thought she. 84 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: Thought we were in an open relationship, so she thought 85 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,759 it was okay. 86 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you met up in the alley and beat the 87 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,080 ship out of each other. 88 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: And then you know, now it's like what I kind 89 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:21,439 of forgot about it. 90 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,039 Speaker 4: And really, but what I remember is that when I 91 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,520 sent that, it was like I said something about like 92 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,759 for him to show it to you too. Yes, yes, 93 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,560 it wasn't just like for Adam to be like, yes, 94 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:35,000 I want. 95 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,879 Speaker 2: But I think it's not a time where other girls 96 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:40,680 had sent stuff to Adam on Snapchat and it wasn't 97 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:42,439 for me. It was for Adam, and so I was 98 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:47,520 kind of like sensitive lounce. 99 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: When a girl would be hollering at me at that time. Well, also, 100 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:51,520 we've we've fucked like forty girls unplugged talk in the 101 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,560 last couple of months, So it's like, if a girl 102 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:55,319 did send me a nude I feel like you would 103 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:56,520 not be tripping as much. 104 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: But yeah, it had that mentality that because you guys 105 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,759 are doing, because you're at your mouth, I'm just like 106 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:03,960 it's probably not a big deal. 107 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to. 108 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: Really like be like at least come fuck me like 109 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,319 I'm desperate. Like it wasn't like that. But yeah, then 110 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:12,840 you messaged me and you were like, hey, you were 111 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,960 really mature and cool about it. I remember this. I 112 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,160 was taking a bath when I like remember this moment 113 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,240 when you messaged me, and I was so fucking upset. 114 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,600 I was like, I really didn't mean it like that, 115 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,199 Like I thought he would show it to you too, 116 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:30,639 Like it wasn't just like me trying to get on Adam, 117 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:31,160 because we. 118 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: Had intentions of like hanging out the next time you 119 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,959 came back to La, so we're kind of like, oh, 120 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,800 like I still want to hang out. Like you didn't 121 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,680 mean you didn't mean it. It's a bad thing and 122 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,680 I know that. But anyways, that was like years ago 123 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:43,040 and now I haven't seen you since. 124 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: And this is yes, but when you came to the 125 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:46,959 store hanging out with me because it was my birthday, 126 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:49,519 that was so sweet, Like I was like dying and 127 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,480 I remember the outfit you were wearing by the I 128 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,920 don't remember, and I literally was like I need that 129 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:59,120 whole fucking outfit. So it's like don't skill dot com 130 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,120 and I bought the sh shoes those like big outfit shoe. 131 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,759 Speaker 1: The important thing for them to know is if we 132 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:08,560 do end up hooking up, that there will be years 133 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:13,600 of repressed anger and intrigue built up in the culmination. 134 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,959 Speaker 4: Right, yes, but not as bad as like Selena Powell. 135 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:21,439 Er that's like, wait, this is like nothing that much. 136 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Because Selena I never really like even gave Selena the 137 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:24,360 idea that. 138 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: She was gonna yeah, like Adam would fox Selena and 139 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:29,560 Selena wasn't actually Selena. But I think with you, it's 140 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,439 like I'm like, she's so hot. 141 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: If I was single, for sure, I would not have 142 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,480 fox Selena Pile if I was single and sober. Also 143 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,279 at that time, I was kind of getting sucked up. 144 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm not but yeah, yeah, so I think that was 145 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:41,399 part of why I was like annoyed about you sending 146 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:43,120 them a video. So like, oh, she's like she's like 147 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,319 a tent Like this is like like I'm intimidated by 148 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,240 look at her. Do you have a moment of silence 149 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,399 for those tits right now. 150 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:56,399 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, that's fair. Yeah, okay, So to monstress, 151 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,279 you kind of give off like would you say that 152 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:01,079 it's fair to say you give off how energy? 153 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:01,759 Speaker 3: For sure? 154 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Like I was looking at your Twitter, and you have 155 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,759 like a lot of really like good video clips, Like 156 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,879 there's one of you just getting railed out by this 157 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,519 dude with like another chick on a balcony and you 158 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:17,160 have like the crazy eyes going like really hard and 159 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:18,959 you're just getting the shit fucked out of you. 160 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,759 Speaker 2: And I was like, you, guys, I want. 161 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: To see I'm known for doing like the facial expression. 162 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,879 Really do you guys know who Charles Dara is. 163 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,439 Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't matter. 164 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 4: Charles Dara is always like please just roll your eyes 165 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:34,439 a lot, do the face expressions like people love it, 166 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,439 love it. But no, if I'm genuinely getting fucked really good, 167 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:43,079 I'm just like okay, nice. 168 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I would say, like if you were blonde, she 169 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,519 would not always be called like a bimbo. But energy, 170 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,399 I feel like it's good. 171 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: It's like gospel energy. 172 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:54,439 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, which is his vibe and 173 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,439 my vibe would. 174 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: Say you. 175 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,319 Speaker 4: Count No, I wouldn't say so, because like the way 176 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,759 I dress on a daily would never make you think 177 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:03,279 that I'm God. 178 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: But if you put on like a fucking metal band 179 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,720 T shirt or whatever, like I belong right, you walk 180 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:11,800 into a fucking mega death show, everybody's looking at you like, oh, 181 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:12,680 it's just a metal chick. 182 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: So are you taking My high school days were emo? 183 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: Really? We keep having girls on hare and then finding 184 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,199 out there were emo chicks like previous. 185 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:24,519 Speaker 4: Everybody had a phase. If you're a millennial, now you 186 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,839 had that phase for sure. 187 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: A lot of people I didn't like you did when 188 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:30,920 I was eighteen. I was going to take it back 189 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,079 Sunday shows. I just didn't like dress the part. I 190 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:33,879 love the music. 191 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,839 Speaker 2: That's what bangs. 192 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:37,439 Speaker 1: If I did, I didn't know what I was doing, 193 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,519 Like I didn't know. Yeah, maybe I. 194 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: Would pay to see that. 195 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: I did like a Day to Remember, Bring Me the Horizon, 196 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:47,120 Warp Tour all that shit. 197 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,839 Speaker 1: Were you using the music scene as like a way 198 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:52,040 for you to express your slutty instincts? 199 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:53,759 Speaker 3: No? 200 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: Not yet was the way before? 201 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:55,959 Speaker 1: No? 202 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: My slug face came after like a bad breakup. 203 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: Really yeah, revenge? 204 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: How long were you in this relationship? 205 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: I was fifteen at that. 206 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,839 Speaker 1: Time, and I think the breakup when you began dating. 207 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: At the end of it, I think, so how long 208 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,800 was oh no, no, no, I was sixteen at the end 209 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:14,879 of it. I'm sorry, okay, And then I was just 210 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,199 like fuck it. Really, Yes, I also met. I started 211 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,600 going to this tattoo shop in Chicago, and the guy 212 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,439 that did the piercings there, he had a lot of 213 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:35,000 like sex job connections, sounds job, but he basically was like, 214 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,399 I could get you any job like you want. And 215 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:39,919 in that industry is boobs. 216 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is pre everything. 217 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Were they already pretty big? Yeah, I'm getting that idea. 218 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 4: They were big. I lost way they got like saggy 219 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,399 and gross, so I just filled them. 220 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,279 Speaker 1: Back up nice age. 221 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 4: So I had to go as big as I could 222 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,919 to fill it up up everything. 223 00:08:58,039 --> 00:08:59,159 Speaker 2: You didn't want to go this big. 224 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:02,159 Speaker 4: If I had a choice not to, I wouldn't have 225 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:02,879 gone this big. 226 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: No, I love them, do you love them? 227 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: I'm starting it's starting to whe off a little. 228 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: Really, as long as I'm. 229 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,039 Speaker 4: In porn and sex industry, I'm gonna keep them, but 230 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:15,039 I'm done. 231 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: I'm taking them off. 232 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: When you walk into a room like the grocery store, 233 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,559 for example, do you feel like a million eyes on 234 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,720 you just because of how big they are? Do you 235 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:24,440 usually wear like a turtle neck and try to be 236 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:24,919 in hiding. 237 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 4: I feel like since I lived and since I moved 238 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,639 to California, I don't give a shit, and like, if 239 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,240 you see my nipples to your shirt, like God bless you, 240 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:33,840 You're welcome. 241 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:34,879 Speaker 2: Okay. 242 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: But I mean, if you walk into a fucking rouse 243 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,080 just like that, yeah, everybody's gonna be staring. If you 244 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,279 have a hoodie on, probably people won't even really notice. 245 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: But in California, there's so many weird fucking looking people 246 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,240 walking around anywhere, right in Hollywood, or just like a 247 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:55,080 weird hobo, fucking weird looking motherfucker. 248 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. 249 00:09:56,759 --> 00:09:58,919 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not going to the right gas stations because 250 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,480 or a grocery store because you know, I don't really 251 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:02,720 run go to the grocer. 252 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:03,759 Speaker 2: Let's be honest. 253 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:05,159 Speaker 1: I'm trying to act like a regular guy. 254 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: You don't go to the grocery store. Yeah, that's the 255 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Whole Foods the other day. So I'm lying. But yeah, 256 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:12,039 I mean, if you're in Vegas or you're in La 257 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,399 I feel like your look isn't so shocking, but I 258 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,120 mean they're definitely parts of la where if you walk 259 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,080 into the store, I know every motherfucking head is just 260 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:18,720 looking at you. 261 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:21,759 Speaker 1: That Vegas you might get kidnapped for sure. 262 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,159 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I'm like terribly horrified of like getting kidnapped. 263 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Have you always with the black hair? 264 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: No? Really, I'm Polish? Right, so you're blonde there, I'm. 265 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,799 Speaker 1: Blonde, okay, but you always keep. 266 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,399 Speaker 4: It black since I was fourteen, Since you're fourteen? 267 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: Why'd you know that you wanted that? 268 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: It was an accident, just someone failed. It was me. 269 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,879 Speaker 1: You want to die a blonde and just turned black. 270 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 4: No, I wanted to die a dark brown and then 271 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,679 it turned out darker and you. 272 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: Just liked it. 273 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:52,919 Speaker 3: I loved it. 274 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: It just became your look, I think, with. 275 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,279 Speaker 4: The blue eyes. 276 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, the contrast, I love it. 277 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 278 00:10:57,759 --> 00:10:59,799 Speaker 2: Wow, I've always been really into that look. 279 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:03,879 Speaker 1: You grew up in Poland for a while. 280 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:08,399 Speaker 4: Yes, until I moved here when I was twelve, okay, 281 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:09,960 and I'm twenty eight, And what was. 282 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,279 Speaker 1: That transition like moving to Chicago? 283 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: At first, At first, Chicago wasn't too bad because Chicago 284 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:21,919 has a huge Polish community and like Russian, Ukrainian like 285 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,320 all those people. There's so many areas that like literally 286 00:11:25,399 --> 00:11:29,360 you go and there's like polar store, polar store, Polish bakery, 287 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:30,559 polish everything. 288 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: So you didn't even have necessarily you don't even feel 289 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:33,960 like you're in America. 290 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 4: Yes, but the district of high school that I'm sorry, 291 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:41,720 middle school that they put me in, it was a 292 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,799 little bit farther out. So the kids there were not 293 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,960 really European, you know, and I didn't speak any English. Wow, 294 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,080 I spoke like English English, like you know, British English. Yeah, 295 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:57,960 that's you know, that's actually like a real English language. 296 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,519 Speaker 1: But so you couldn't tell what the kids are saying. 297 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,679 It all, some. 298 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,759 Speaker 4: Of it like basic ship. But a lot of the 299 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,759 English I learned in Poland was like the UK British English. 300 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: And there's like a different accents. 301 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: A lot of awards are different. 302 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like going to the movies sounded weird to me, 303 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,320 like in my language, going to the movies literal like 304 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:23,720 translation of it makes. 305 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: No sense because how can you go into a movie? 306 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:27,600 Do you know what I'm saying. 307 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff it just doesn't. 308 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 4: Make sense, like to literally translate that. 309 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: So I didn't. I didn't register in my head. 310 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,519 Speaker 2: Interesting, So how was middle school for you? At first? 311 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:41,159 Speaker 4: It was rough, but then they gave me like a 312 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,320 Polish fucking girl to walk around with me everywhere. 313 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,919 Speaker 2: I was trying to remember where you were from, because 314 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:49,440 remember when I met you told me that. I was like, 315 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,360 I want to say, but okay. 316 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: And then I went to ESL classes. 317 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: I did that in kindergarten. It's all good. 318 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was just because my parents. 319 00:12:57,639 --> 00:12:59,799 Speaker 2: Were Armenian they put me in ESL kindergarten. 320 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: But I like spoke English. 321 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, people, I think people think ESL means like you're like, 322 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,720 it doesn't mean it's not specialized, like English is a 323 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:10,720 second languagely just when English is you don't speak. 324 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:11,639 Speaker 1: English where I grew up. 325 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 4: It kind of was because really, well, I mean why because. 326 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: If you didn't speak English where I grew up, it 327 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,039 was just like almost one hundred percent you were like 328 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,240 you didn't come from a good family or whatever because 329 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:25,519 or like you had just gotten to America, so your 330 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:27,960 situation was probably kind of fucked up. Like my memory 331 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,600 of the ESL classes were that it was a bunch 332 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,000 of kids who were like not in good shape. 333 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:34,519 Speaker 2: Being impoverished the same thing as being like special. 334 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,879 Speaker 1: We're talking about some some areas have like you know, 335 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:40,759 rich immigrants in some areas have like more poor immigrant. Yeah, 336 00:13:40,799 --> 00:13:42,279 so I don't know. I guess that's why I would 337 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:48,320 have not like dumb assuming dumb. Yeah, right, when did 338 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,000 you think like, oh shit, maybe I'm gonna be a 339 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:50,480 porn star. 340 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 4: When the piercer guy, he was like, you want to 341 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,639 try something? He basically offered me like an amateur bondage 342 00:14:02,919 --> 00:14:07,679 three day thing for this guy's private website. 343 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: Three day, three work days, or. 344 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 4: Sleeping there tied up for three days. Was fing a 345 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,039 rough dude, like every for three days. 346 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,399 Speaker 3: Every day I came to that. 347 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: It was like a hotel and I came in there 348 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:25,840 and he just had all these fucking like ropes and 349 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:29,039 like whatever shared he would like. I remember he hog 350 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,080 tied me to a coffee table. And it wasn't even 351 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,480 like sex really, it was more like the bondage part 352 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:39,559 of it. He just like I guess they call it. 353 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:41,399 Speaker 2: He would tie you up in different ties and then 354 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:41,879 take photos. 355 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of it was like orals. He 356 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,759 fucked my throat like he. 357 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,399 Speaker 1: Really like, you know how many people you slept with. 358 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,559 Maybe at this time you. 359 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,399 Speaker 4: Already getting bad time not that many. 360 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: Oh okay, so this is kind of nudi like. 361 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: Maybe like ten or fifteen. 362 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: But were you nervous at all about being on cameragon? Fucked? 363 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 4: No, because I I think maybe because it was a 364 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,759 private website, you know, it. 365 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: Felt like not a lot of people would see it. 366 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just like fuck it whatever. 367 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,159 Speaker 2: Was it a good experience, But it was the money 368 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:15,000 that enticed me, Okay, because I was gonna say it doesn't 369 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,759 sound like it was necessarily like that fun. 370 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:20,679 Speaker 4: No, I'm not that into like bondage stuff. I mean, 371 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,759 if I got booked for like King dot Com, I'll 372 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:24,480 go and do it. Yeah, but I don't want to 373 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,600 be like suspended from the fucking ceiling, like purple fucking 374 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,559 feet and purple hands like that looks crazy as fucked 375 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:31,840 to me. 376 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not really into that. 377 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: Perhaps to the people to do it, I mean, it 378 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,120 looks great, but I don't really I'm not into it. 379 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:40,519 So I did that for money. 380 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: Made, but you knew right away like, oh this is cool, 381 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:42,600 I could do this. 382 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,759 Speaker 4: Oh yeah I did. Eventually one of those three days 383 00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:50,440 I did end up actually like having sex with him, 384 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:53,399 and the camera or anything didn't bother me. 385 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:54,039 Speaker 1: Right. 386 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 4: Also, there was no other. 387 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:58,759 Speaker 2: People, just you and him right he was filming. Was 388 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,919 Were you attracted to him? 389 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,679 Speaker 4: No? No, I don't even remember what he looked like, 390 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:06,000 but no, those guys are not attractive, like trust me. 391 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,279 Speaker 1: Were you always like a really sexual person? Was that 392 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,080 kind of thing for you from early on? 393 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 4: You know what? The first I'll tell you this, when 394 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:13,320 I was like. 395 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, fucking. 396 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: Six or seven, I was snooping through my parents' bedroom 397 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,480 and I found a vibrator, like like one of those 398 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:26,519 nude ones that's. 399 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:27,919 Speaker 3: Like looks like a dick, you know. 400 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, And the more traumatizing thing after that, which 401 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 what I think started my like king keenness and all 402 00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:38,720 that shit. I found a pair of handcuffs and I 403 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:41,120 was like, what the fuck are my parents doing? And 404 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:44,879 he's fucking bad? And I think ever since then, something 405 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:47,360 like clicked off in my head. Wow, We're like, this 406 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:49,519 is okay, this is excepting, this is the thing. 407 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're a look down upon within 408 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:54,320 your Polish community for getting into porn or is it 409 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,159 not really a big deal? 410 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,879 Speaker 4: So I just found out this past Christmas that my family. 411 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:02,639 Speaker 3: Knows what I do, but they didn't know before that. 412 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,519 Speaker 4: Only my mom knew, she's my number one fan. 413 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 3: She didn't know everyone else knew. 414 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: And so what's the reaction Like with. 415 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:14,799 Speaker 4: The family, nobody gave a fuck. Apparently really nobody talks. 416 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,160 They've known for like a year and nobody has. 417 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: Like, I mean, no one's going to bring it up 418 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,079 at the Christmas dinner table, right, Like, was nobody surprised? 419 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: We didn't really talk about it, right, We did. 420 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,599 Speaker 4: We did talk about it, and they were just like 421 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:31,920 it's fine, like because I was literally crying, like I 422 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,079 was like, oh my god, like this is crazy. Like 423 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,640 my mom was upset because my mom didn't want my 424 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,400 stepdad finding out, right, probably because you know. 425 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:41,759 Speaker 3: She thought he's going to look me up for something. 426 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:42,839 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 427 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 4: So it was stressful for my mom more than me. 428 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:47,599 Speaker 2: Right, wow, that is a weird situation. 429 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 4: And the person that found out was my fucking step 430 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:57,279 brother who's eighteen, which makes a lot of sense, right 431 00:17:57,519 --> 00:17:59,400 year old. All he does is sit on the computer 432 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,359 and play for can. 433 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,039 Speaker 3: I don't know what it's called. 434 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,279 Speaker 1: You mean, is it? Would he you think he was 435 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:06,160 like watching your porn. 436 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:08,279 Speaker 4: That's what I'm I keep trying to figure it out, 437 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,160 and I feel like he would. Yeah, I mean we're 438 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,720 not blood related exactly. 439 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:13,079 Speaker 2: This is getting too weird. 440 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if i'd be able 441 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:15,440 to stop myself. 442 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:18,799 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like everyone must dude for curiosity sake, 443 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,279 but like if you're actually consuming it, I don't know. 444 00:18:21,519 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 4: There's some weird shut out there. 445 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: When it comes to your cousins. It's like if you 446 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:28,519 know him since you were two, I get it, it's weird. 447 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,200 But it's like if I meet you and you're my 448 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,559 cousin and I'm like sixteen or eighteen and I meet you, 449 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:35,000 it's like we're strangers. Do we have a fuck that 450 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:36,400 we're like a little bit related? 451 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: A little bit. It's more than a little bit. 452 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: But do you watch Real Housewives? Not really, I've ever 453 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:43,559 seen it. Okay, I just got into it. There's this 454 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,839 chick on there who's married to her step grandfather and 455 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,039 has a kid with him. 456 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty weird. Do you think that's weird? 457 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: Weird versus what you just said. Yeah, as long as. 458 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,279 Speaker 1: They're not breeding, I don't care. Okay, So how did 459 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:02,440 you start to get more and more into the porn game. 460 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,960 Like since I met you, you seemed like you went full 461 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,119 steam ahead and really decided to go for it. 462 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 4: Because I was looking up like YouTube interviews. I watched 463 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,480 a lot of like Holly Randall. I wanted to see 464 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:18,759 like agents be interviewed. So I watched a lot of 465 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,200 Spiegler shit. 466 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: Was it was Spiegler in your podcast? 467 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:24,319 Speaker 1: Yea yeah, but I don't think it would have been 468 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:25,920 out at that time, but maybe I would have. 469 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 4: I don't know, but he was on something I'm not sure. 470 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,720 And I did my research and at that time, everybody 471 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:36,359 was like, oh my god, speaker speople or speaker with 472 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:36,680 the best. 473 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,079 Speaker 3: I want to be with him, you know. 474 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 4: So I just did all my research. Everyone was like, 475 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:44,920 if you're a Spiegler girl, like all the girls that 476 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,920 are with him are the best, you know, name a 477 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,240 few ones like us Akira, you know, like all those 478 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:54,000 OG girls. And I sent him an email and he 479 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,000 literally responded to me like the next day and told 480 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,720 me to send him like specif fake pictures and then 481 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:03,519 he's like, come out to LA and meet me and 482 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,759 we'll talk. So then I came out second time after 483 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:09,880 that time, I met with you guys, and then it 484 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,720 all started rolling because when I was with you guys, 485 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:16,319 you guys even put the video up on YouTube. But 486 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,519 my name was supposed to be Ivy. 487 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I remember. I was gonna ask you she 488 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:21,000 had a different name. 489 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: Made me change my name. 490 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: Because he already has a girl that's like, he. 491 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 4: Has Ivy with tattoos. 492 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,039 Speaker 2: All. Yeah, so that's what I was thinking. I was like, oh, 493 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:30,519 they have very similar names, and. 494 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: You said that. I was like, whoa, I was calling. 495 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 4: You that, yeah in the comment, but everybody was like 496 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:36,599 who is she? 497 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,519 Speaker 3: And everyone was like Ivy road. 498 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: For like a regular ass video, and I remember it 499 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,599 got kind of a lot of views, so yeah, no, 500 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:43,839 it was. 501 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: It was just interesting though, because like I met you 502 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:46,920 outside the store, and I met a lot of people 503 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,599 outside the store who were like, I want to do this, 504 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,960 I'm going to do this. I want to do this. 505 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:51,920 But then like, well, I don't keep track of the 506 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,400 live so I don't know if they ever actually did it, 507 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,000 but like you were like I want to do porn. 508 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,440 I'm gonna do porn, And then I got to watch you, like, 509 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,400 oh wait, she actually went and did this, and she's 510 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,880 actually really successful. 511 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: If you want to do porn, you basically just go 512 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,319 do porn. And unless you're a real piece of shit, 513 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,000 you're probably going to be able to at least do 514 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,720 some porn. 515 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, anyone could do their own born these days. 516 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,839 But like, you know, she's shooting for big companies and 517 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:13,799 stuff like that. She's out here, she moved out here, 518 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:15,759 she got like a real legitate agent. 519 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: You know. I fucking drove here. 520 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 3: From Chicago by myself, with. 521 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 4: A fucking car full of anything I could fit. It 522 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,000 was the most horrible. 523 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,519 Speaker 3: Experience of my life. 524 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 4: Wow, mentally, Like mentally. 525 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: What kind of dudes do you fuck? 526 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: What kind of dudes do I fuck? 527 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? Like in your private life, well. 528 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: I have a boyfriend for how long? Two and a 529 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,079 half years now? 530 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow, being off the market for a. 531 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,559 Speaker 3: While, but we just got back together. 532 00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: Break up there. 533 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: I feel like you guys have a semi dramatic relationship 534 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:48,960 from following you on Twitter. 535 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: Really, I just started phoning and I missed that because. 536 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,079 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I feel like you told me 537 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:55,359 you had a boyfriend, and then you told me just 538 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,599 just a lot. Your boyfriend's in the industry, right, he's 539 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,839 been in forever, so how is that, Like, do you 540 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,000 guys get jealous of each other working. 541 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 3: Or he doesn't get jealous of it? 542 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:11,799 Speaker 2: Are you the toxic one girl? 543 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: Why that's his job right? 544 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:18,799 Speaker 4: Listen, I got quarantined with this person, not expecting anything 545 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,480 out of it, and I told myself I don't want 546 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,279 to get in a relationship and porn because I don't 547 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:26,640 think my crazy ass could handle it. But it just 548 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,039 like we got stuck together. 549 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: It developed. 550 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,799 Speaker 4: You know, you keep having sex with someone every fucking day, 551 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,920 like a lot of the times, you're gonna grow some feelings. 552 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,279 So that's kind of what happened. 553 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 3: But yeah, for me, it's. 554 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 4: Harder, Like I could never do what you guys do. 555 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:46,559 Speaker 1: I wish what we girls together, I know. 556 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:50,319 Speaker 4: But to me it's different. It's hard for me to separate. 557 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:55,599 I think I just compare myself to the girls security 558 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,240 But I don't know why I'm like that. 559 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,319 Speaker 2: But like, okay, so you guys don't do any scenes 560 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,480 together with other girls like three someths. No, No, Wow, 561 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:03,559 you would never consider it. 562 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: You're bossy, No, even if you know. 563 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: You're gonna benefit financially from the situation. 564 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,599 Speaker 3: Though I don't give a fuck. 565 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: You're so selfish. Are you sure you're gonna be able 566 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,160 to share my dig with her? 567 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 4: Like, I'm I'm just used to like monogamy period, but 568 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,759 you and other guys, but this is like a completely 569 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:27,480 different ballgame right now. Like I'm still like trying to 570 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,799 get used to it. I was never doing this crazy 571 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:31,759 ship in real life. 572 00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:33,839 Speaker 2: You know you wouldn't. Okay, I see what you're saying, but. 573 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 4: No, it's hard for me. It's the content shooting is harder. 574 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,640 The professional scenes are not a big deal. It's more 575 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,640 of like you letting Adam go to come to my house. 576 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:45,039 Speaker 2: I get it. 577 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:46,759 Speaker 4: Either meeting you're sitting at home. 578 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you're meeting up on set. It's like 579 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,880 someone else has planned the situation and there's tons of 580 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,319 people on set versus like you know, it looks like 581 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,400 just two different people texting to meet up and folks. 582 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: Yes, it's if you think about it, it's literally that 583 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:06,519 you're meeting up with someone that you find hot to 584 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,960 fuck them, and the camera just happens to be there. 585 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,880 It's completely different from shooting for bras normal. 586 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: People don't understand it. And when you put it like 587 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,200 thatand what I. 588 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 4: Mean, like people are like like My boyfriend likes to 589 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,880 think that like he's going to shoot content and to him, 590 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,640 it's like I'm going to work, right, yeah, but it 591 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,279 really you're just going to house. 592 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: So how long has he been in the industry though, 593 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:35,079 like twenty years? So do you think that you're gonna 594 00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:39,480 get like less crazy? They're gonna get more okay. 595 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,079 Speaker 1: With I think the world wants to see you be 596 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,440 a hope. 597 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 4: No, I'm totally a hope. So anti boyfriend's with my 598 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,799 it's like I want my man to myself. I don't 599 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,079 want to see him fuck anyone else, Like I can't. 600 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: I can't. 601 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: It just ruins my mood. I mean. 602 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: So there was a day where I had the stomach 603 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:58,160 flu and like this girl selew Out, I saw flew out. 604 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,599 So I was like, you're gonna go to work and 605 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,359 you're gonna fuck her and you're not gonna tell me 606 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,119 about it when you come home, because like, yeah, I 607 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,920 would say, I get like a lot less jealous than 608 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,599 early in our relationship. Two and a half years in, 609 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,640 I was still really jealous because I didn't know that 610 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,400 he was like really really mine, like you know what 611 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,200 I mean. But now it's it's if I woke up 612 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,279 today and was sick, I would have been like, go fun. 613 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,079 Speaker 1: You told me that last night. She's like, you know, 614 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,359 there's a small chance that if I wake up feeling 615 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,400 sick tomorrow, you're gonna go fuck these girls together or alone. 616 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,440 And I'm like, okay, if you need me too, I 617 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:28,960 will do it. 618 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: But it's weird because before I couldn't do that, and 619 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,759 now I could totally. I don't want to see the scene. 620 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:34,799 I don't want to know how tighter pussy was, how 621 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,839 greater asspelt. I don't know any of it. That be me. 622 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 4: That's me. When when my boyfriend goes to do his job, Yeah, 623 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,519 I'm like, I don't give a fuck who you work with, 624 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,880 don't tell me where it is, don't tell me anything. 625 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: But you know what, get home Angela, angela wh who's 626 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,680 been doing this a lot longer than us. She's like, 627 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,720 soon you're gonna be telling him to come home and 628 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,880 describe every day, you know, but then you can fascerate 629 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,759 to it. And I'm like, mom, no, I. 630 00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: Don't think that's part of the too, though, is that 631 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,720 if I was a full time porn star, then maybe 632 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,960 it would be like more of a thing. But like 633 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:08,480 I already have like a business that she knows all 634 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,160 my time goes into. So it's like if I'm hitting 635 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,759 her up at like eight pm, like hey, I'm fucking 636 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,480 Peyton real quick for my only fans, Like I'll be 637 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,519 home in a couple of hours, it's like she knows 638 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:22,000 that that's not the best use of my time. Anyway, 639 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,119 Like if if porn was my hustle, then that would 640 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,119 maybe was more of a conversation, but she would know 641 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,680 that I was just doing it because I wanted to. 642 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: Do Yeah, yeah, I'm his only fans that was doing 643 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,680 shit like that, especially because I'd be at home, like 644 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,119 you know in Chocolate Wants TV. 645 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, because if we're okay, if you're in a porn 646 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,000 star relationship and I'm off fucking some girl and then 647 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,240 you're off fucking some guy, okay, that I could maybe 648 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,400 see working. It's kind of like why are we not 649 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,079 shooting together at the same time, But it's like that 650 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,759 would maybe work. But like if if you're off film 651 00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:53,839 and content with somebody and the girls taking care of 652 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,079 the kid or cleaning the floor or some shit, like 653 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,160 I know you don't clean the floor, but like you know, like. 654 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: I clean the floor. It gets diturdy guys. 655 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I love that you're saying that because I 656 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,160 feel the same way, like she's gonna go in with 657 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,640 like you know, because I even show him. I've told 658 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,519 this to him. I'm like, look, right, when you go 659 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:17,240 shoot content, I mentally feel better if I go shoot 660 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:18,240 content too. 661 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,039 Speaker 2: Because I'm not thinking about it. 662 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, he thinks it's because like that that's like immature. 663 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,119 I'm not doing it in like a. 664 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,599 Speaker 2: I'll show you. Yeah, okay, that's what. 665 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,799 Speaker 4: You don't care if I go fuck someone, So that 666 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:32,039 doesn't even make sense. 667 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: It's just nice to like, if he went out on 668 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:35,920 Friday night, I would also like to be out Friday night, 669 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,319 so that I'm not like contrasting it with just being 670 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,000 at home on a Friday night while. 671 00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 4: He's about For me, it's like I'm thinking of. 672 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but imagine if you're this dude, you've been in 673 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,480 the porn game for twenty years and then you got 674 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,640 this chicken. Yeah, you fuck with her, but she's only 675 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,240 been in the game for a couple of years and 676 00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:52,640 she's telling you what to do. 677 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 4: I'm almost like, it's almost like he's dating a civilian with. 678 00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: Me, because you still have feelings. The therapist told us 679 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,880 his feelings have been bad his brain and talk by 680 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,880 just fucking over and over and over for money over 681 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:04,359 the years. 682 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,519 Speaker 2: So do you guys do content together? M Yeah, and 683 00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:10,160 then dude. 684 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 4: In my perfect world, we would just be doing content 685 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,720 together and would profession scenes okay? 686 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,559 Speaker 2: With other perfect world yes, okay, and you would you 687 00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,799 would be able to give up your shooting with other 688 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:22,920 guys for your content. 689 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, for content. I don't give a fuck. 690 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,559 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad we got you. 691 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,519 Speaker 1: Where did you do it? 692 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:32,839 Speaker 4: I'm still practicing. 693 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: Have you not done it on camera? 694 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,039 Speaker 4: No? 695 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: Not on camera? 696 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,559 Speaker 4: But I just did my first boy girl girl anal 697 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,640 where like I was the ass to mouth. 698 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,319 Speaker 1: Girl with Madison Morgan? 699 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,519 Speaker 4: Right, No, I did it with Maddie May. Okay for 700 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,759 making Mike Adriana. 701 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,279 Speaker 1: When I looked you up, though, didn't I see a 702 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,519 scene in you and Madison Morgan together and wasn't an anal? 703 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 3: It was she's doing anal, Right, that's what I. 704 00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: Thought you meant. 705 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,799 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I did that for the first time. I 706 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,559 got to see like anal in real life. 707 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:07,119 Speaker 3: For the first time. 708 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Were you impressed? 709 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,839 Speaker 4: Well, I was literally like inside of her gaping hole 710 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,680 almost because it's Mike Adriano. 711 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen his content, like what. 712 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: He's I was like, I was like down a butthole 713 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,759 and honestly, like it's an interesting experience. 714 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you scared? 715 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: No, I wasn't scared of like anything bad happened. 716 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: But do you do an in your personal life? 717 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:36,599 Speaker 4: I have, Yeah, my boyfriend Dick is just it's pretty big, 718 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:42,400 but it's good because it's uncircumcised. So everyone says that's 719 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,759 better for anal. We just had somebody telling, so I'm 720 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,359 really only used to having that in my ass. 721 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,279 Speaker 1: You just seem like you love anal. 722 00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: I don't know why I don't want every girl. 723 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,319 Speaker 4: It just seems I think when I when I get 724 00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:57,640 into it, I'm going to really love it, and that's 725 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,119 all they're going to fucking book me for. 726 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,279 Speaker 2: That's what all the girls say that their fans get 727 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:03,680 mad when they get booked for anything else. 728 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: But then they also tell you, like, every time I'm 729 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,519 set with a girl, she's like, honestly, it took me 730 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:10,759 a while to get into it, but now I love 731 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,400 it more than regular sex. Everyone says that, and then 732 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,240 once they do DP they love. Yes, yes, every girl. 733 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,440 And I mean when I see it like on Twitter, 734 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,079 I'm just like I still look at it like wow, 735 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,680 Like the fact that your body can do that to 736 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:31,559 me is still crazy because I feel like my pussy 737 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,480 is very tight and like sensitive. 738 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,759 Speaker 3: So the thought of. 739 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 4: Like me putting like two dicks in it like some 740 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:39,640 of these girls do like double vage, I'm like. 741 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,599 Speaker 2: They must be pausing the camera a lot to make 742 00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:45,440 sure they both like get in right, because I just 743 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,599 don't know how that works. 744 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 4: It's it's it's not pleasureful sex. It's just for camera 745 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,400 when you do that. It's impossible to do that and 746 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,880 like be like fun and enjoy I think a. 747 00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: Lot of these girls love it. They're on here talking 748 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,480 doing double anal and loving it. 749 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: No, But I think just like the doing it is 750 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,359 very hard to like do it on set, like because 751 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,559 you know, the dick has to be like one dick has. 752 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: To be going in the other wants to be going. 753 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: Out, Like it's not yeah, just like boy, girl, fucking 754 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:15,400 you'll get there one day. 755 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,119 Speaker 3: I would love to. 756 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 4: I had and while you're getting fucked in the ass 757 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,359 is fucking insane and amazing. No, it is really awesome, 758 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,799 But I know you've done anal with him. I don't 759 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,960 know about you, but for me, it's the I need 760 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,640 to learn how to like stretch properly and like take 761 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,000 the pain and just suck it up and relax and 762 00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:40,599 let it go. 763 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,279 Speaker 2: You can honestly just count to like thirty and I 764 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,119 feel like it'll go away. Like if you just breathe 765 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:47,720 in and out and meditate and count to thirty in 766 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,240 your head, it should pass and then it'll feel good. 767 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 4: But did you when you did it like with him, 768 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,240 did you prep with like different size. 769 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: Or he just puts his smaller dicks before? Yeah? 770 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, like see a small average size dick can ask. 771 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,240 I don't mind, But like I'm average, No, I don't. 772 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:08,240 I mean from what I've seen on Twitter, you're not 773 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,359 like you're above average for sure. 774 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: Average man. No, I mean he usually preps me, but 775 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,599 like sometimes if I, like I want to surprise him, 776 00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:19,960 I'll like wear a butt plug but for like an 777 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,319 hour before and they're not crazy big but plugs. 778 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 3: That's too good. 779 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: But I mean, maybe you are fucking guys with like 780 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000 I don't know this big I don't know. 781 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,839 Speaker 4: I only done it with my boyfriend and never like yeah, 782 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:33,039 I mean it's like this stick. 783 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: Maybe you just need to relax. That's probably why it's 784 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,480 hurting so bad. 785 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 4: You just need to like, yeah, I've done it successfully 786 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,079 under the influence of things. 787 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: Right now, well relax. You guys already hooked up with 788 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:50,480 your little toe project 789 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 3: To that situation.