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<v Speaker 1>And she spent a lot of time on the sidelines,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing us the trade scoop as it was happening down

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<v Speaker 1>on the sidelines.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now she has.

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<v Speaker 1>Moved into the world of political talk. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, Michelle Tafoya, I think you're crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>it's miserable in here.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Like sports is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody loves sports.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, you start getting down in the nitty gritty

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<v Speaker 1>and you start bringing out the worst in people.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not the first person who told me I was

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<v Speaker 4>crazy for making this decision, But I will tell you

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<v Speaker 4>that being in Green Bay on you know, like December

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<v Speaker 4>thirty first, is also miserable. So and trust me, I

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<v Speaker 4>was at Denver many times in the snow where I

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<v Speaker 4>was dying to be endorsed.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a great, wonderful, wonderful sports career. I loved

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<v Speaker 4>every minute of it. But I just fell to calling

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<v Speaker 4>to do something different.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got to ask you, is it harder to

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<v Speaker 1>be a woman on the sidelines or harder to someone

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<v Speaker 1>right of center in television?

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<v Speaker 4>The latter for sure, someone right center. Now, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 4>you this, I had a blast with my colleagues. You know, Look,

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<v Speaker 4>I worked with John Madden and Al Michaels and then John,

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<v Speaker 4>then Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth, and for all of

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<v Speaker 4>those years we had just some wonderful conversations about.

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<v Speaker 3>All kinds of things, politics included.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, we were covering the NFL during the twenty sixteen election,

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<v Speaker 4>when players were kneeling during the anthem, We had the.

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<v Speaker 3>Whole COVID season.

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<v Speaker 4>We had so much going on that you couldn't help

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<v Speaker 4>but talk politics behind the scenes. Now, it's not something

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<v Speaker 4>we ever brought to the screen with us, but in

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<v Speaker 4>our meetings, at.

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<v Speaker 3>Our dinners all of that, they all knew.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly who I was and where I stood, and everyone

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<v Speaker 4>was incredibly respectful, almost everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>What made you the way you are? Like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you credit your life experiences? What got you to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where you're like, you know what, I'm pretty unabashed.

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<v Speaker 1>I call myself a libreservative, like I am a libertarian.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say a little more conservative than a pure libertarian.

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<v Speaker 1>I think based on following you on Twitter or x

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<v Speaker 1>I'll call it Twitter probably till I die, you were

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<v Speaker 1>in much of the same camp. What created that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. First of all, my upbringing.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad was the son of legal migrants and grew.

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<v Speaker 3>Up very poor. My mom grew up very poor.

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<v Speaker 4>They both grew up during the Depression, extremely poor, and

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<v Speaker 4>so they both had an intense, insane work ethic.

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<v Speaker 3>And you couldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Help, as one of their kids to absorb that and

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<v Speaker 4>understand what hard work is all about, and that when

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<v Speaker 4>you work hard enough, you get really lucky. It's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>The harder you work, the luckier you get. And I

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<v Speaker 4>just practiced that my entire life, from the time I

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<v Speaker 4>was a kid. Seriously, I've worked almost my entire life.

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<v Speaker 3>And so because I.

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<v Speaker 4>Wanted the American dream that both my parents got, and

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<v Speaker 4>they made sure all before their kids went to college.

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<v Speaker 4>Neither of my parents had an exceedingly high paying job.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom was a public school teacher, my dad was

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<v Speaker 4>an aeronautical engineer. But they they made education very important

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<v Speaker 4>in our lives. And I'm fortunate to say I got

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<v Speaker 4>out of education somewhat unscathed, even though I went to

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<v Speaker 4>Berkeley for my college years, so you know, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I went to business school.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a master's in business, and.

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<v Speaker 4>That will really open your eyes to a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>reality as opposed to some of the emotional stuff you

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<v Speaker 4>can learn in school, some of the sociology and all

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<v Speaker 4>the psychology and all this. You take a business degree,

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<v Speaker 4>get a master's in business, and the real world kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Slapped you in the face.

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<v Speaker 4>And then nine to eleven happened, and I felt for

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<v Speaker 4>the first time like I actually was worried for my country.

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<v Speaker 4>And I really love this country in spite of her

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<v Speaker 4>flaws past flaws. I know there's no place better on Earth.

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<v Speaker 4>I adopted a child from Columbia, South America. I know

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<v Speaker 4>there's no better place on Earth than America.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love this place. I cherish it, and I see.

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<v Speaker 4>Things going badly certainly after nine to eleven, I did,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just over time, I just thought I've got

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<v Speaker 4>too much to say, and you can't when you're on

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<v Speaker 4>the number one show.

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<v Speaker 3>In primetime, as Sunday Night.

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<v Speaker 4>Football was, you can't bring those opinions in without being

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<v Speaker 4>really selfish. And I was part of a team and

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<v Speaker 4>I signed up for that, and I knew that I

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<v Speaker 4>needed to keep my politics to myself. So ultimately I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>I got to get out of this show so I

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<v Speaker 4>can be who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>How do I admire that about you, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>just blowing smoke up your skirt. I mean that is

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of people who don't take those

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<v Speaker 1>other things into consideration, and we've seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so random, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday I saw an article where gal Gado is in

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<v Speaker 1>Israel trying to explain why snow White bombed talk about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, her co star really set the table for

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<v Speaker 1>that failure. And to your point, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>don't think about the impact that it's having. What are

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things that are animating you right now?

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<v Speaker 1>On the Michelle Tafoya podcast, which is also available on

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<v Speaker 1>all of your podcast platforms, A little plug there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, please dude, check it out, subscribe, never missed

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<v Speaker 4>an episode. Well, certainly, crime, public safety, and national security

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<v Speaker 4>have always seemed to me to be the very base

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<v Speaker 4>level requirements of people we hire to run our country,

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<v Speaker 4>run our cities, run our states, and they've done, in

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<v Speaker 4>many Winny ways, such an abysmal.

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<v Speaker 3>Job, and that affects every single person.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care what your gender identity is, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>care what your nation, your background is, I don't care

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<v Speaker 4>where you come from, what your income is. Public safety

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<v Speaker 4>is a concern for everyone, just as national security is

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<v Speaker 4>for everyone. So I was big on the border. The

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<v Speaker 4>whole crisis under Biden was just, to me, an absolute

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<v Speaker 4>It was the most foolish thing. I think there were

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<v Speaker 4>reasons that was happening, but for people to stand up

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<v Speaker 4>was laughable to me. So that one really animated me,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly because you know, I come from a family of

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<v Speaker 4>legal immigrants, not that many generations back, so that one, I'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell you, school choice is really high on my list.

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<v Speaker 3>And I.

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<v Speaker 4>Must say that just every day that I'm bouncing around

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<v Speaker 4>what you call Twitter, what we all call either Twitter

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<v Speaker 4>or X and I see the hypocrisy out there and

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<v Speaker 4>some of the arguments that aren't really arguments, the left.

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<v Speaker 3>Of center people.

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<v Speaker 4>Just shouting louder, calling names, and not really arguing their

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<v Speaker 1>I've been fascinated as of late, and I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly honest with you. My audience knows I was not

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<v Speaker 1>an enthusiastic Trump supporter. After January sixth, I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, I'm done. I voted for him again. He

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<v Speaker 1>has surprised me on so many measures. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I found the most shocking recently was

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<v Speaker 1>that you now have people on social media saying things

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<v Speaker 1>like I've lived in Washington, d C. For four years

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<v Speaker 1>and I was mugged once, but it's much better now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, wait a minute, why why is that

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<v Speaker 1>level of crime okay? And it's almost like there's this

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<v Speaker 1>weird like Stockholm syndrome all most of these people in

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<v Speaker 1>do something about crime is but crime isn't that bad,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, what is happening right now?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>It reminds me of that wonderful moment during the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four campaign when jd Vance sat across from Martha

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<v Speaker 4>Raddits and say, just a few apartments.

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<v Speaker 3>Being overrun by Sunday Martha, do you hear yourself? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you hear your saw? I love that. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>make a tea sure, do you hear yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Mind?

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<v Speaker 4>Because it was like, hey, things, you know, only a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of people got raped, There were only a few murders. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 4>we're never going to one hundred percent eradicate crime, although

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<v Speaker 4>there are countries that have, but they have some really

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<v Speaker 4>crazy laws about it, you know, cutting off the hand

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<v Speaker 4>of someone who steals.

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<v Speaker 3>A piece of bread.

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<v Speaker 4>So I understand that we're always going to have some

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<v Speaker 4>level of crime, but public state like people not feeling

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<v Speaker 4>safe right, you know, it's just insane to me. And

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<v Speaker 4>I've had people say to me, look, there plenty of

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<v Speaker 4>Americans commit crimes. Why are we so worried about illegal immigrants? Well,

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<v Speaker 4>there are a million ways I could go with that.

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<v Speaker 4>What would you like to you know, Yes, we have

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<v Speaker 4>our own issues, so why would we unnecessarily add more

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<v Speaker 4>we just simply let go of and ignored. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>to me, it's like, you know, why are people arguing

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<v Speaker 4>against the really to common sense safety?

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<v Speaker 3>And it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if this was some amazing mind trick

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<v Speaker 4>by Trump, but he has gotten Democrats to come out

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<v Speaker 4>in favor of crime, and that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gotten him to come out in favor of boys

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<v Speaker 1>and girls' sports, He's gotten him to come out in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of I mean, all of this insane stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>you think. I think they're starting to get a hip

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<v Speaker 1>to it now because I did see MSNBC.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you see?

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<v Speaker 1>Mika Brazinski actually said this DC thing is a trap.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't fall for it because you're going to be arguing

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<v Speaker 1>that DC is safe when it might be thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>safer than it was a year ago when it was

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<v Speaker 1>the most dangerous place in the country. That kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I find fascinating just to watch how any reflexive

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you, what are you going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be talking about at the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm still working on that, but I'm really excited

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<v Speaker 4>to be there. I want to talk about the good,

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<v Speaker 4>the bad, and the ugly of America today, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just my story of why this is so meaningful to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you evolve a lot in life? And it's so

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<v Speaker 4>funny because I feel like I sound like my aunts

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<v Speaker 4>and uncles used to sound back in the day. These

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<v Speaker 4>kids today, you know, you're too young to understand, but

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<v Speaker 4>it really is amazing how young people who really haven't

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<v Speaker 4>all the answers, and I think that we have to

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<v Speaker 4>And we've got the access, we've got, all the social

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<v Speaker 4>so that's that's going to be one of my one

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I tell people all the time. I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm being told.

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<v Speaker 1>By my friends on the left that you know, black

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<v Speaker 1>no logic there. But for young people, in my view,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried really hard when I'm talking to a younger

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<v Speaker 1>instead of telling them you're wrong and you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of value in just saying you just haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been alive long enough, right, because when you're young, you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been alive long enough to have experienced these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you what I experienced, so you understand

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm coming from. That seems to be I've found

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<v Speaker 1>the most effective way to just get someone to think

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<v Speaker 2>And really, that's all you can hope for.

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<v Speaker 3>Is I think that think you're great.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think the other way in addition to that

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<v Speaker 4>is asking them questions when they make a strong, brash

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<v Speaker 3>Real? Okay, really, why tell me how you know that?

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<v Speaker 4>You let them try to answer their own questions and flesh.

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<v Speaker 3>It out, because very often.

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<v Speaker 4>Very often they can't, and and then they realize it,

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<v Speaker 3>Right so badly and they really believe that they're right.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, whatever the issue is that they feel

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<v Speaker 4>so strongly about, counter with some quid, Oh, we really

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<v Speaker 4>tell me about that?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean? How do you how do you

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<v Speaker 4>I saw Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel, talking on some podcasts recently,

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<v Speaker 3>So much worse than he ever imagined, and I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to say, how, what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>How?

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<v Speaker 3>What give me specifics? What in your life is so bad?

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<v Speaker 4>Jimmy Kimmel, You know, is it your perception or is

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<v Speaker 4>it the fact? And very often it's perception.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I'm talking with Michelle Tavoya.

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<v Speaker 1>She is going to be one of the speakers at

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<v Speaker 1>the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference up in Deaver Creek this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>There are still tickets of aailable.

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<v Speaker 1>She is one of another amazing slate of speakers that

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<v Speaker 1>of everything. Guy Benson we spoke to yesterday, We've got yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he's hilarious. There's actually also a guy with a puppet.

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<v Speaker 1>See now when I come Michelle, they're like, they give

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<v Speaker 1>me what I like to call the hard hitting interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to interview Kyle Berry from the Babylon b

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<v Speaker 1>one year, and then I was supposed to interview the

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<v Speaker 1>puppet guy. This is what they think of my you know,

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing style over this puppet guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know that would be wait to see this.

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Rowndee, creator of Ask America with Edgar. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>channel on the YouTube and the kids today love it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. But the event is fantastic. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be this weekend, Friday and Saturday. Tickets are still available.

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<v Speaker 1>I put a link on the blog. Now, Michelle, let

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<v Speaker 1>me ask you one more question before we let you go, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I really really, really really.

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<v Speaker 4>Want this turn towards socialism to be averted at all costs.

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<v Speaker 4>Not at all costs, but at reasonable costs. This candidate's

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<v Speaker 4>like Mom, Donnie, I live here in Minnesota. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>a mayoral candidate, Amama Fata, who is basically an Islamist extremist,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's got the Democrat endorsement in Minneapolis. So I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like some of the ideology, the ideological ship is

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<v Speaker 4>starting to turn around. But some of these developments are

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<v Speaker 4>really telling, and I don't think they're going to stop

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<v Speaker 4>with Mom Donnie and Fata, and I think people need

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<v Speaker 4>to start getting their courage back to stand up to

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<v Speaker 4>some of this stuff that we know is antithetical to

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<v Speaker 4>what our ideals are here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not about being prejudiced or xenophobic. It's about do

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<v Speaker 4>people share our values?

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<v Speaker 3>Period.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree wholeheartedly. Michelle Tavoy. By the way, check out

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<v Speaker 1>what just happened in Bolivia. Socialism fails again in real

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<v Speaker 1>time in Bolivia where it's happening again. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to point this out. I was an early adopter

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<v Speaker 1>of watching Venezuela. When I first got my first show

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<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand and five, my program director was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what why are we talking about Venezuela, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>cause we're going to watch that nation fall.

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<v Speaker 2>In real time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to live through that history because it's going

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<v Speaker 1>And about ten years later, that guy who I no

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<v Speaker 1>longer worked with called me and said, I now understand

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<v Speaker 1>why you're watching Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's my hobby, that's what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Tafoya, I'm so sad I'm not gonna be able

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<v Speaker 1>to meet you this weekend, but I know you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have a badful topic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great, great to talk with you. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 3>do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Michelle. Michelle Tafoya podcast. You can hear on all

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast platforms or visit Michelle tafoya dot com. Both

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<v Speaker 1>linked on the blog today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Michelle, thank you. That is Michelle Tafoya. She's awesome.