1 00:00:01,399 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Rick Patrick or for Laardel, Florida, and 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,559 I usually play it calling me West Golf Course. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,359 Speaker 2: Golf Smarter Nerder four hundred and seventy four published on 4 00:00:10,439 --> 00:00:12,599 February three, twenty fifteen. 5 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:17,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,519 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 7 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:27,559 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,439 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,119 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 10 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: Especially for the guys that are trying to break ninety. 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,399 There's a lot of simple things you can do to 12 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:41,640 get better. Some of the things I'd suggest for guys. 13 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:44,119 A simple thing like an impact bag is really really good, 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,600 even with the golf club. If you're really crazy about it, 15 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:48,439 just go to your local golf store. Get yourself a 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,640 seven nine, Maybe get a mold and grip put onto it, 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,039 or training grips some people might call them. Get yourself 18 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:55,079 like an impact bag. If you're at home, what you 19 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:56,960 can do is throw your bag in the backyard and 20 00:00:57,079 --> 00:00:59,719 just push it around, make a few small swings, just 21 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:01,520 try to build up that feeling of what the correct 22 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,600 impact position is. If you start pushing the bag, it's 23 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,439 going to get your body angles better as well your 24 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:07,560 body and wrist angles. And also if you've got a mirror, 25 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,040 I get yourself in front of a mirror because what 26 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,120 I generally try and do. A lot of guys anyways, 27 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,079 when they come, they set up son't very good, so 28 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,719 I try and get them set up the correct way. 29 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,079 Obviously when they leave it probably feels a little foreign, 30 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,959 but it's like anything, if you do it enough, it 31 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,760 just becomes a new normal because you're gonna find with 32 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:23,480 golf the fields are always constantly changing, but visually it's 33 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:24,519 always going to look the same. 34 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,359 Speaker 2: Simple tools to breaking one hundred, ninety or eighty with 35 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,799 Josh Willard, this is Golf Smarter. Welcome to the Golf 36 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:37,640 Smarter Podcast. 37 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: Josh, thanks very thanks for having me here today. 38 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 4: Thanks for coming into the studio. This is great. 39 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: We met just a few weeks ago out on the 40 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,079 driving range. 41 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,519 Speaker 4: Over at Pickoar Gap. That's correct, Yeah, and you're teaching 42 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,760 there now or that's right. 43 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 44 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:54,799 Speaker 3: I actually work at Pickcock Gap five days a week 45 00:01:54,959 --> 00:01:57,560 and I work another day down in Alameter Chucker Rick 46 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,280 at Golf Complex. 47 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,879 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I can tell you by your accent, 48 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,959 your local that's right. Yeah, No, originally from local to 49 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Marine County. 50 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: No, originally from Sydney, from Sydney, Australia and been in 51 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:10,680 the US for about four years. 52 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:14,159 Speaker 4: Now, okay, and would write you here? Where'd you leave? 53 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: Before I came to America, I was actually working in 54 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,360 Austria in Lynz And before that I was working in 55 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,319 Singapore for three years. And then before that I played 56 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:28,520 on the tour for about eight years. Which tour I've 57 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,960 had status on the Australasian Tour, on the Asian Tour 58 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,039 and also on the South African. 59 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: Really really and what are the differences between each tour? 60 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,560 Is it just another level up or I. 61 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:45,759 Speaker 3: Think with those three tours maybe the Asian Tour possibly 62 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,039 slightly stronger because there's more events, there's a bit more money. 63 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,960 The Australian Tool of the Australasian Tours, it's known probably 64 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,159 they've lost quite a few events compared to say fifteen 65 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,639 years ago. But they're all really sort of tours that 66 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:04,319 get the guys starting tour, to get you onto the 67 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,240 PGA Tour or to get you onto the European Tour. 68 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:12,199 Speaker 4: And you obviously left Australia a while ago. 69 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: That's right. I left about thirteen. 70 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: Years ago, okay, all right, and this was to pursue 71 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,560 a career in professional golf. 72 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I played for eight years before that. 73 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:24,919 I was actually an apprentice golf pro. I got my 74 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,719 PGA status in Australia, my Class A status, and then, 75 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,280 like most guys when they're sort of twenty one twenty two, 76 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:34,159 when you finish your Class A, you want to go 77 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,120 try and play golf professionally. So I did that for 78 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:39,680 about eight years, and then I got to around twenty nine. 79 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:42,280 I figured that I sort of wasn't working out how 80 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,680 I hope it would, and I had to pursue something else. 81 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:48,919 So I really enjoyed teaching, so I thought to go 82 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:50,360 down that route. Yeah. 83 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,719 Speaker 2: Very different skill set teaching than being a player. 84 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. You know, I guess with well, because he being. 85 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: A player, you're in your own head, right, that's true, 86 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:03,800 and teacher you've got to bring it out. 87 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: That's got to be able to articulate it. 88 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:06,319 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 89 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 4: So what is the hardest part to make that transition? 90 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: I guess it's just trying to get the knowledge on 91 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:15,639 how to instruct people, how to get people better. And 92 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:17,639 I guess that just takes time. You sort of like 93 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,199 any skill, you've got to develop it over over years. 94 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,040 And I guess I've been doing this for now thirteen years, 95 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,120 so I feel like I'm getting better every year at it, 96 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,240 and you know, communicating and just getting people to improve. 97 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: How are you able to translate your thoughts into instruction. 98 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:44,240 I mean, let me get you were probably a natural 99 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,439 player growing up. You just immediately were starting to play 100 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,079 really well when you were a kid and fell in 101 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:50,800 love with the game. 102 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:53,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I was introduced to the game through 103 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:58,879 my grandfather. And in Australia when I was a kid, 104 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,399 you couldn't you couldn't join a golf club til fourteen. 105 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,120 You could still get onto the public golf courses and play, 106 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:08,079 but if you want to join like a golf club, 107 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,360 you have to be at least forteing to start. 108 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,399 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So being a strong player as a 109 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,120 kid and wanting to succeed and then going to the 110 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,560 different tours and then going into teaching. To me, it's 111 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:30,079 natural players are not necessarily the best instructors. I've always 112 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,639 thought like the best teachers were the C students, not 113 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,199 the A plus students, because the A students it comes 114 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,879 naturally to them, it's easy, and they don't understand how 115 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,519 people struggle with whatever they're teaching. 116 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:43,639 Speaker 4: So do you have do you get. 117 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: Frustrated when you're instructing and people just aren't getting what 118 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:50,439 you're trying to You're trying to teach them because you 119 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:51,560 think it's so obvious. 120 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,399 Speaker 3: Well, I guess as an instructor, you have to have 121 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:58,000 some patience. Yeah, you're dealing with people that maybe play 122 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,000 golf once a week or once a month or once 123 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,680 a year, or they're just starting up. But you know, 124 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,279 as far as the instructions concerned, I really feel that 125 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,519 you've got to keep it really simple and for people 126 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 to get better, I just feel that you've just got 127 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,639 to keep it really basic. And to me, the way 128 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:21,360 that the tour players play, they've got maybe more flawed. 129 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:24,000 You know, they've got a lot of compensations in their 130 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,040 swings and they can make that work. But for the 131 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:29,879 average person, for me, they need something simpler. You know 132 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,480 that they need to have, you know, less motion to 133 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,199 it all to make it repeat. 134 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:42,399 Speaker 2: That's an interesting idea is how the pro players. The 135 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:46,800 better players can adjust from shot to shot on their swing, 136 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,240 and yet the amateur has to really learn how to 137 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,519 have a swing. And then you go out on the 138 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,600 course and these guys who are struggling to break ninety 139 00:06:56,759 --> 00:06:58,240 or going oh I knew what I did wrong then, 140 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:00,560 or yeah, I got to shape this one around the tree. 141 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,879 Speaker 4: It's like, really, you have that shot in your back? Really? 142 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:03,759 Speaker 3: Really? 143 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 4: Come on? Really? 144 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:05,439 Speaker 2: Yeah? 145 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,439 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I guess. I guess for the professionals 146 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,519 that obviously got more time to work at it, they're 147 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:12,600 a lot more talented, really, they're or more athletic than 148 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:16,079 say the average person. Whereas the average guys, it's I 149 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:17,680 guess he's out there to try and have some fun 150 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,000 and and you know he's going to be a little uh, 151 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,720 a little more all over the place, I guess, as 152 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,319 far as you know, off the tee, and he's gonna 153 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,480 have to try and create shots to get back get 154 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,839 the ball back into playing. Yeah, and that's that's that's it. 155 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:30,279 That's why I guess goes so difficult. 156 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, what what is the So let's let's 157 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,079 talk about your instruction a bit. What do you like 158 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,839 to focus on with Let's say somebody who's who's been 159 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:48,680 playing the game for a while. They're struggling and they 160 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,759 don't know what it is that's preventing them from breaking ninety. 161 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:55,879 You know, they're in the upper nineties, they're occasionally in 162 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:58,480 the broad round, they're in the low hundreds, but they're 163 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:01,560 mid and upper nineties, and they just can't get down 164 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,199 to ninety. And if they break ninety, they it's like 165 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,759 that would be a major event in their golfing career. 166 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:14,639 Speaker 3: Well, I feel it with most people. You know, probably 167 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,600 they're the short game lets them down a little bit. 168 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:18,879 You know, for a lot of people, when most people 169 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:20,839 come for lessons, what I find is they want to 170 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,000 learn how to hit the long shots, the long game. 171 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,480 And then when you talk to them about their game, 172 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:27,439 and if they come consistently, you sort of say, well, 173 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,480 are you spending any time on your short game? And 174 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:31,920 most of the time the answer is no, not really. 175 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,480 But you know, other people they can come and you know, 176 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,440 they sort of chip and put okay, but they're long 177 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,960 games rotten, you know, So it just depends on the individual. 178 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,799 But I find, you know, normally, if their long game's written, 179 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,159 if you can sort of fix up their long game 180 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:46,840 a bit as well. They can drop you know, quite 181 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,879 a few shots. Just depends on on the individual. 182 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 4: I guess the long game being after tea. 183 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: Well, just just in general with when you've got a long, 184 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:55,679 you know, the long game. As far as the consistency 185 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,159 of it, you know, most people tend to fight the 186 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,919 right side of the golf course for the right hander, 187 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:02,320 and I think a lot of that just stems from 188 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,240 the starts and their concepts of where the power comes from. 189 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,639 Speaker 2: Let's let's let me take you on that right there, 190 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,159 and let's expand on that. 191 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 4: What does that mean? 192 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: Well, you know, for I guess, the way the game's 193 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:18,320 traditionally been taught is is that you know, you're here 194 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,519 in the US. We've got the Golf Channel, and that's 195 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,960 sort of like the new and YouTube, I guess, and 196 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,320 that's like the new golf magazines. You know that the 197 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,080 golf magazines screwed. I feel sort of have messed people 198 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,159 up a bit for a long time. But you know, 199 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,879 the way the game's traditionally been taught is that you know, 200 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,039 you've got to You've got to get it, get yourself 201 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:39,720 over the ball, get yourself comfortable, and then try and 202 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,360 make this massive, big turn and for most people when 203 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,240 they try and make, the more they try and turn, 204 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:47,600 the more out of position they get. And then once 205 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,399 they're out of position, they're trying to recover to get 206 00:09:49,399 --> 00:09:51,120 back into the right position so they can hit the ball. 207 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,000 And the problem with golf is we don't have a 208 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:56,200 lot of time. You know, the club's traveling at seventy 209 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,879 to one hundred miles an hour, and you don't have 210 00:09:57,919 --> 00:10:00,480 a lot of time to try and match it all 211 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,679 up and hit the ball straight. And that's why I 212 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:04,879 feel that a lot of people struggle with it. 213 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,759 Speaker 2: Off the tee a bigger problem to swing or the 214 00:10:10,799 --> 00:10:11,960 club selection. 215 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:15,279 Speaker 3: Well, I think if people were a little more conservative 216 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,799 with the selection, you know. I mean, of course some 217 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,480 you know, it depends on the course, but people tend 218 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,919 to gravitate, gravitate towards the driver and they feel like 219 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,799 that's the that's the fun club to hit. But you 220 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:26,799 know a lot of the times they. 221 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:27,879 Speaker 4: Just really that's fun. 222 00:10:29,399 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: Well it's I guess it all ends in tears a 223 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,039 lot of the time. But you know, if they sort 224 00:10:34,039 --> 00:10:36,200 of maybe went towards like a three wood or a 225 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,080 five wood or even a hybrid off the tee and 226 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,840 sacrifice a little bit of distance. Sort of their strategy 227 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:42,200 was a little better and just got the ball and 228 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:45,919 to play and sacrifice the twenty or thirty yards you know. Okay, 229 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,559 they might have as long as second shot, but they 230 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,879 probably find that they're playing the ball more off the 231 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:51,720 short grass than in the rough and in the trees. 232 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And then they get themselves into the rough and 233 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,360 in the trees, going oh I can get there from here. 234 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:58,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they just aren't realistic, you know, get they 235 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:00,320 when they get the ball out of pause and then 236 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,159 they're trying to get it back into position. And you know, 237 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,240 most people, they're playing a shot that's really I might 238 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,519 pull off ten percent of the time instead of so 239 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:12,000 just taking the medicine and chopping the ball back out 240 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:18,639 onto the fairway. 241 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 4: That's interesting. 242 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: You call it taking your medicine and getting back in 243 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,000 the fairway. And yet it took me a while to realize. 244 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,399 But once I started figuring out, if I quote unquote 245 00:11:29,399 --> 00:11:31,320 took my medicine and just put the ball back in 246 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,799 the fairway, get it into play, I can get the 247 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:34,879 next shot onto the green. 248 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:35,919 Speaker 4: Okay, now I'm putting. 249 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: If I two putt, I bogie the hall, all right. 250 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:43,080 So but if I see a slide opening, I'm over 251 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:45,200 on the side there, I'm the right. I'm in between 252 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:48,759 trees and rough and there's a tall tree in front 253 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:50,200 of the green, and there's a bunker in front of 254 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,320 the green as well. I mean, there's all these things 255 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,879 that are in my way. But I think, but it's 256 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:58,360 only one hundred and thirty yards. I can reach that, right, 257 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,879 But there's all these obstacles in the way. And I 258 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,240 go for it, and of course I hit a tree. 259 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Then I have to go under another one that I'm 260 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,120 in the bunker. Now all of a sudden, I'm putting 261 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:10,360 for a seven. You know, if I to pay it 262 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:15,919 takes me five strokes. Where are we not thinking it through? 263 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,639 Speaker 4: Of like what are the consequences here? Oh? 264 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: Definitely I feel that, you know, you know, if you 265 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,039 looked at that situation, say, like, if you're going to 266 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,879 invest money, you know you wouldn't put your money into 267 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:30,799 something that you feel it you got a ten percent 268 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:32,840 chance of making money out of, would you know? You'd 269 00:12:32,879 --> 00:12:34,679 definitely be a little more conservative with you the way 270 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,000 you think. But you know, I guess maybe that's the 271 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:40,240 attraction with golf you're feeling that. You know, you watch 272 00:12:40,279 --> 00:12:42,120 golf on t you see Phil Mickelson play and he's 273 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:43,480 sort of all over the place and he hits this 274 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,519 miraculous shot. So we all feel that we can do that, 275 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,840 you know, and it's obviously that's fun when it comes off. 276 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,720 But when it doesn't come off, then, you know, then 277 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,240 we look a bit silly and we rack up a 278 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,120 big number. 279 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: Big number, again and again and again. I love to 280 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:01,600 emphasize getting fitted for clubs. I know that when I 281 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:04,919 got fitted for my driver, it really made a big 282 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,399 difference in the game because I started finding out that 283 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,480 by hitting more fairways, I'm definitely in position for more pars. 284 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:15,919 Whether I have to chip up, you know, close to 285 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,639 the pen and try to put in one, or I'm 286 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,639 on the green in regulation, it really does make a 287 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,799 huge difference when you're playing from the fairway. 288 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you know, golf's much easier off the shorter 289 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,759 grass than when you're in the rough. And like you 290 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:32,840 said about getting fitted for the driver, people tend to 291 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:37,120 have generally need a lot more loft on their driver 292 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,279 than what they've got. You know, people like to maybe 293 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,840 it's a bit of a macho thing. But people like 294 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:43,120 to have like a nine or ten degree driver, whereas 295 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,159 I feel if people had more like an eleven or 296 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,639 twelve degree driver, Okay, if they really had a good one, 297 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,159 it may not go as far, but it takes a 298 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,960 bit more spin off the ball, well, actually takes a 299 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,039 side spin off the ball. Ball gets a bit more 300 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,480 up in the air. It's a bit easy to hit. 301 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,159 It's easy to get the ball into play. 302 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: We've already mentioned a couple times of hitting it far, 303 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,639 hitting it far, which seems to be the great lure. 304 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: We did an. 305 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: Episode a couple of years ago that we called give 306 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:12,600 me ten feet closer than ten yards farther any day 307 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,519 of the week? Run are we putting the what is 308 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,000 that attraction of watching the ball fly in the air 309 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,840 for as long as we can and not realizing and 310 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:23,840 not analyzing At the end of the round. 311 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: It's like, Wow, that really was awful. 312 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,159 Speaker 2: I hit my driver twelve times today or fourteen times today, 313 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,200 and I only made two fairways. 314 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,679 Speaker 4: That this isn't good. 315 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I guess that's the way the game's going, 316 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:37,879 isn't It's all about power, whether you're talking about golf 317 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,120 or tennis or any of those other sports. It's you know, 318 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:43,320 the guys hitting the ball. 319 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,879 Speaker 4: Further and only the guys on tour. 320 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: Well that's true, but we see the guys on tour, 321 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:50,000 they're the guys that are driving the whole business run. 322 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,279 Speaker 2: Well, are they driving it into the ground with that? 323 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:55,799 You know, they were making golf once. Once there was 324 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,600 this boom of golf course construction going on in the 325 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,919 country in the early part of the century, right, and 326 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,320 now nothing's being built in this country because they were 327 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,559 making them longer and longer and longer, and that only 328 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:08,919 appeals to a handful of select players. 329 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, definitely, I think the courses are getting too long. 330 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,919 You know, if people played off the right t's. You know, 331 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,159 Nicholas had a thing out a couple of months ago, 332 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,279 maybe six months ago, we talked about you know, I 333 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:20,960 saw an ad on television here in the States and 334 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,759 he was talking about play from them from the te's. 335 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:25,200 That fits you, and for a lot of people, they 336 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,279 tend to want to play from the back teas. But 337 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,600 I think they'd have a lot more fun if they 338 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:30,720 sort of moved up and played more off the members 339 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,679 t's or off you know, the forward tees. Yeah, some 340 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,399 golf course have like a senior tea or have like 341 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,919 a member's tea, but people tend to gravitate towards the 342 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:39,399 back teas. 343 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: We've got to give We've got to stop giving those 344 00:15:42,559 --> 00:15:46,320 teas names, because that's part of the stigma that I'm 345 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,519 not blaming the ladies teas. 346 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: They're not they're red. 347 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 348 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:51,799 Speaker 4: Well, they're just the red tea's. 349 00:15:51,679 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: And they're you know, and I keep going back, and 350 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,720 I have this conversation with my friends all the time 351 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,679 when we're out playing. It's like, do you are you 352 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:04,879 here to score as low as you possibly can? Then 353 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,799 why not play up a little closer? What's the big deal? 354 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? No, definitely. You know, if you're. 355 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 4: Not a scratch golfer, friends. 356 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: That's right. You know, if you if you're if you're 357 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,600 hitting like an eight or a nine iron in instead 358 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,799 of a five iron, it's going to be a lot 359 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,720 more fun, and it's going to be more scorable. If 360 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:20,480 it's more scorable, you're going to want to play more. So, 361 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,440 you know, you're more fun if you're shooting lower school. 362 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:24,919 Speaker 2: I'd much rather hit an eight or nine iron than 363 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,759 a five or six any day of the week on 364 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,200 my second shot, yeah. 365 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:29,559 Speaker 3: I'll go for those. 366 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I just have a lot more confidence in 367 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:33,639 that shot, and I keep working on the five and 368 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:35,279 the six, and then I get out there and it's like, no, 369 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,360 this is I'm feeling shaky about this. 370 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,159 Speaker 4: This is not good. 371 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,399 Speaker 3: No, definitely, you know, like like that's that's probably the 372 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:44,679 biggest criticism with a lot of people is the new 373 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:46,600 golf courses that they are building. They're tending to get 374 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,480 longer and longer and longer, and you know, we're struggling 375 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,639 to get people to come to golf, and you know, 376 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:54,159 if they can make it a little bit easier by 377 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:57,639 making it a little bit shorter, I think it. You know, 378 00:16:57,679 --> 00:16:58,960 you probably keep a lot more people. 379 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:01,799 Speaker 2: The other thing it's it seems to be so obvious, 380 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:04,519 is that people really don't know the distance they hit 381 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:07,640 each club. They have an idea of what they've hit 382 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,359 on the longest shot they've ever had with that club 383 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,359 and use that as the standard. But that I think 384 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:17,079 creates more problems than people are willing to admit. Well, 385 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,079 people tend to get to sense when you when you're 386 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:20,759 talking about. 387 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know when you talk to people, say 388 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,720 how far i'd hit a seven on and they say, well, 389 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,039 I hit one hundred and seventy yards. 390 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:26,599 Speaker 4: Well, no, you don't. 391 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,519 Speaker 3: Well maybe if you hit your absolute best one behind 392 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,319 Yeah exactly, that's a firm like a runway. But and 393 00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:37,880 yeah's you've got a fifty mile an hour win behind you, 394 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,000 like you said. But you know, people, the great probably 395 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 the best tip you can give anyone is just take 396 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:45,759 an extra club. You know, people tend to always under 397 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:47,640 club you know, especially if you played a lot of 398 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,880 pro ams in my day, and the biggest thing is 399 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,000 they're always they're always under clubbing. 400 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 4: Take an extra club. 401 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: Let's talk about your short game intensive sessions that you offer. 402 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,759 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, walk me through that. What does that mean? 403 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I do them up at peacock gap and 404 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,400 down an alimeter and basically it lasts for about three hours. 405 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,880 And what we try and do is we cover all facets. 406 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,519 We try and cover the putting, the chipping, pitching, bunker shots. 407 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,200 And that's really when people come. They can really pick 408 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,599 up shots quite quickly. There. 409 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 4: Pick up strokes are knocked down on your. 410 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 3: Skill exactly because you know, a lot of the time 411 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,759 they've just got the wrong concepts with which club to use. 412 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:32,160 And which situation, And if your listeners out there, probably 413 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,480 your best tip you can give peoples, it's try and 414 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:37,160 kick the ball on the ground. You know. The club 415 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,119 that people tend to gravitate towards is the sand wedge 416 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,200 and the lob wedge, And I just find with those 417 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,920 clubs they're great in some situations, but when people pull 418 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,960 them out in every situation, that's when it gets it 419 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,680 gets a little trickier. You know, first you get hit 420 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,319 the ball quite precisely, and then when you've hit, if 421 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,920 you've hit a precisely, then you've got to land the 422 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,279 ball precisely as well. So if you can pull a 423 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,200 seven and eight iron out and just try and run 424 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,880 the ball along the ground, you know, it's still going 425 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,839 to fly a little bit, but it might fly maybe, 426 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:06,759 you know, depending on the situation, it might fly twenty 427 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:08,680 percent through the air and a percent along the ground, 428 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:10,920 you know, and you know you can mishit it there 429 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,519 a little bit more with a seven or eight iron, 430 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:14,880 and the ball is going to want to release up 431 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,279 to the hole. 432 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's pretend we're here now. Peacock Gap is a 433 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:28,200 good example because it's a short game specific kind of course. 434 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,240 I mean, if you it's not a long course, but 435 00:19:31,279 --> 00:19:34,720 if you don't have a good short game, you're going 436 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:35,880 to struggle on that course. 437 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:36,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. 438 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know that. We've got a new greenkeeper in 439 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,079 there at the moment, and the last few months he's 440 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:41,880 he's really turned it. 441 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, hude, you got him. You got him up from 442 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,559 the Metal Club, which is quite the coup. 443 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: Right, that's right. He was the number two up there 444 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,640 and he's come down and he's he's really sped the 445 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,880 greens up. He's lowering the fairways a little bit as well. 446 00:19:57,079 --> 00:19:58,559 And I think once the summer comes around it gets 447 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:00,000 a little warmer, it's going to be a lot more playable. 448 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 4: It's in great shape right now, it is. 449 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: He's really he's really turned it around. And like you said, 450 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,640 the golf course itself, it's a fun golf coast to play. 451 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,160 It's not a long golf course, but it's not some flat. 452 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,920 It's easy to walk and like you said before, you 453 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,880 can have a lot of eight and nine pitching wages 454 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,519 into the hole. So it's quite school where you can 455 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:19,519 sort of the greens are a little tricky maybe, but 456 00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:21,799 you know that sort of balances it out as far 457 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:23,599 as you know. That's that's that's the thing I like 458 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,200 about it. It's not very long, but then it's a bit 459 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,720 of a challenge once you get around the greens. 460 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: The other thing that's nice about playing Peacock is there's 461 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,319 not a lot of uphill, downhill lies. You know, the 462 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,039 ball being above or below your feet. 463 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 3: That's right, she gets It's it's a pretty flat golf coast. 464 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:39,559 Speaker 4: Pay Yeah, yeah, it is. That helps a lot. 465 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: Well, let's say we're on a par for our second 466 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,279 shot leaves us four yards off the green. Were but 467 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,920 we're in the rough. It's not it's not the false 468 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,200 front leading up to the green. We're all in the rough. 469 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:57,559 Speaker 4: There. 470 00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: There's nothing between us and the green itself except the 471 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,319 tall grass. And I see more and more people reaching 472 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,079 in for what you were saying is the pitch and 473 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,559 the sixty degree and they try to scoop under it 474 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:15,519 and give it a nice loft onto it, and they're 475 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:20,359 not that precise. And why don't we understand? Why don't 476 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,839 we get that? And for me, what I would do 477 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:24,599 in a situation like that is I would take an 478 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,240 maybe a seven or an eight iron and just putt 479 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:30,079 with it. So if I do a putting motion. It's 480 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,160 just going to get over that rough, gonna get through 481 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,720 and over it. But then it's gonna roll. 482 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: Is this exactly? It just depends on where the pin's located. 483 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,799 But if you got yeah, if you've got a little 484 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:42,039 bit of room to work with, definitely pull out. You nine, 485 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:44,319 you're eight, you're seven on Like you said, almost feel 486 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:46,559 like it's a big putting stroke. But the difference is 487 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:48,519 she's going to hit down on a little bit more bulls, 488 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:50,400 kind a little flutter, it's going to release up to 489 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,279 the hole and you know, it's just a more high 490 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:56,640 percentage shot, you know, then pulling out's maybe people tend 491 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,799 to gravitate towards the sandwich of the love witch. 492 00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: And you said hitting down on it versus. 493 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 3: Scoop, but I yes, you might. Well it depends on 494 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,519 the lie as well. That's the other sure thing with it. 495 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:09,240 But you know, if the ball is sort of sitting okay, 496 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,240 you know, just just sort of make sure you hit 497 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:13,720 down on a little bit. With the chip shots, people 498 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,519 tend to sort of try and help them up a 499 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:15,920 little bit. 500 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: And where's the weight on our body? Are we leaning 501 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,720 into it or are we holding. 502 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,039 Speaker 3: My preference is I mean, depending on the on the 503 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,920 on the situation. But normally I try and get people 504 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,400 pretty level. I just feel that they're a little more level. 505 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,480 They tend to sort of brush it off. But it 506 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,400 just depends on on the severity of the life. It's 507 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,759 down deep, you know, it's down deep. Maybe you want 508 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,480 to lean a touch more foot towards the left side 509 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:43,400 for the right hand and feel like you're going to 510 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,640 hit down on it because you're sort of going to 511 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,079 get sort of chop it out and get the ball 512 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,160 up onto the green. But yeah, I mean that's that's 513 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,000 sort of the direction I try and do with most people. 514 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,279 Speaker 4: Anyway, What do you find to be. 515 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:01,039 Speaker 2: Not the easiest shot to teach, but the easiest shot 516 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:05,680 for your student to comprehend and like the light bulb 517 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,720 goes ah, I get it now, that makes sense to 518 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,680 me and I can do it. What type of shot 519 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:14,640 do you find that works for most of your students? 520 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,319 Speaker 3: Well, I guess the short game. You can get the 521 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,039 most pop, you can get people, you can fix them 522 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:21,319 the quickest with the short game. You know, whether it's 523 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,240 like we're talking about before pulling out the you know, 524 00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:24,960 the sandwiche and you've sort of give them a seven 525 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,359 and eight iron and say, you know, try try this 526 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:29,240 for you. Drop a few balls down and try this. 527 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,720 You can really you know, I get people I teach 528 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:34,160 and they come back and they say, well, you know 529 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,759 that tip you game with the seven or eight iron's fantastic. 530 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,519 You know, I'm saving so many shots. You know, before 531 00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:41,839 I was like sculling, hitting the ball thin with a 532 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,839 sand wage that's going across the other side of the green. 533 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,920 Now if I mishit it with the seven eye, it 534 00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:48,680 just it doesn't. It's sort of it's not so exaggerated 535 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,519 as far as when. 536 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: It you know, oh you said the magic word sculling. Okay, 537 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:57,279 so you've just won the prize. As we're recording this, 538 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,599 the Phoenix, the Waste Management Phoenix Open is going on, 539 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,640 and yesterday, the opening day of the tournament, Tiger makes 540 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,079 his triumphant return. Well, we were the media wanted to 541 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,519 be a triumphant return. He obviously was looking, you know, 542 00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:19,759 a little bit stale, but his not that I want 543 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,039 to talk about his score or anything, but his play 544 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,440 around the green looked more. 545 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 4: Like someone shooting in the nineties. 546 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, he's interesting. Watch, wasn't it. You know, 547 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:33,119 he's it's almost like he's got the yips with he's chipping. 548 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,480 He he was trying to keep the lot of the 549 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,240 situations he was in, he was trying to keep the 550 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,319 ball low, keeping it on the ground. How he would 551 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:42,720 try and just get a guy that's shooting sort of 552 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,599 between one hundred and sort of trying to break that 553 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,640 in the magical ninety number. He was pulling out like 554 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,200 a seven and a nine or an eight or whatever 555 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,599 it was, and he was you could see he was 556 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,079 trying to get on the ground quite quickly. And you 557 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,160 know somebody who'struggling with the chipping, that's sort of a 558 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,000 lot of the time. How I'll try and play the shots. 559 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, either you know, he came up short, he went, 560 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,359 he sculled one and just rolled right over the other 561 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,799 side of the green. It was really quite I mean once, okay, 562 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,720 he's stale once, but he did it multiple times. 563 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we saw back at the Tiger Challenge in 564 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,599 December that he was really fighting his short game. He's chipping. Now, 565 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:17,359 whether that's just something because he's trying to change his 566 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,599 swing and or it's something more sinister. As far as 567 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:24,680 you know, he's he's he's sort of getting to that 568 00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:27,240 age you know on the tour they call golf. Once 569 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,680 he hit forty, they caught the black hole for most guys, 570 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,519 you know, they sort of their game tends to sort 571 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:35,039 of deteriorate and and and sort of sort of not 572 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:36,640 be as sharp as what it was before that. 573 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 4: He hit that a long time ago. 574 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: It feels like, well, yeah, he hasn't sort of before 575 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,160 before the the Thanksgiving incident. I guess he's he's he's 576 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,519 his game hasn't mean the same since. 577 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 2: No, No, this is a game we like to play 578 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,680 here a lot. If Tiger called you, I mean, he 579 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,599 seems to be trying the lots of coach. He brought 580 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,039 down another coach again. If Tiger were to call you 581 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,880 and say, I need your help this week, what would 582 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:03,920 you talk to him about? 583 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's a tough one. You know, Tiger's 584 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,160 obviously he's probably the most talented guy that's maybe ever 585 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,680 played the game of golf. So, oh, what would I 586 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,160 do with him? Yeah, that's a really good question. 587 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: I'm not going to let you get away with Yeah, 588 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,039 being stumped on this one, it is. 589 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: It's interesting, Well, you know, he he's always had the 590 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,279 club a bit stuck and behind him, you know, so 591 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,359 explained well, you know, for most of the amateurs, they 592 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,160 tend to come too much from the outside and they 593 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,000 come over the top and they take big divots with Tiger, 594 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,880 and you're gonna find with the better players, they tend 595 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,440 to get the club more caught behind them, so it's 596 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,000 sort of the club's coming too much from behind their body. 597 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,000 And you know, that's why he's always sort of blocked it, 598 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,880 or especially with the driver, he's always he's always struggled 599 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,680 to hit the ball straight. You know, at this point 600 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,960 in time, for me, he's got too much turn too quickly, 601 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,119 And that's sort of a little bit of his old 602 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,720 patterns with what he was doing. He's working with Sean 603 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,839 Foley and the more the sort of stack and tilt 604 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,680 or the golf machine stuff or whatever you want to 605 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,839 call it, and he's sort of going away from that. 606 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:21,119 It seems like he's going more back towards you know, 607 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,000 his oldest swings when he was sort of back in 608 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,839 the two thousand, two thousand and one. You know, i'd 609 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:28,440 sort of just work on the direction of his turn. 610 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,200 I feel like he's got a lot of turn like 611 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,400 I said, a lot of turn really early. 612 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 4: He's so flexible, he's so strong. 613 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: Oh, he's very athletic, isn't he. You know he can 614 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,200 do he can, you know he can. As we've all seen, 615 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,720 he does some amazing things with a golf call. 616 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:43,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, it really he really does. 617 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: Another thing that you offer at least that on your website, 618 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,440 which is Josh Willard Goolf dot com w I L 619 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,880 L A R D correct Josh Willard Goolf dot com. 620 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,400 If you want to check it out, if you know, 621 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,640 you can give him a call, talk to him on 622 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,839 the phone, or you can even book a lesson with Josh. 623 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:08,359 You talk about on course lessons in addition to you know, 624 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,759 private lessons, short game on course and one day golf schools. 625 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:19,119 On course lessons, what do you find the most common 626 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,759 mistakes when you're on course lessons with with let's let's 627 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:27,480 talk about that mid handicap upper eighties nineties player. 628 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, just course management a lot we talked about before. 629 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,200 I just find that, you know, people are sort of 630 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,880 grabbing the driver every chance they can. But you know, 631 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,720 to me, if they pulled out a five wood or 632 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,920 a three wood and just sort of sacrificed a little 633 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,480 bit of distance, but got the ball and to play. 634 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,039 And then also around the greens, you know that they 635 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:49,000 just they just they course management isn't very good. Yeah, 636 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,200 Like I said before, they'll tend to go for shots 637 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,839 that's maybe it's a ten percent shot. They might pull 638 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:54,880 it off ten percent of the time. 639 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: What about for the better players? Now we're talking about 640 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:01,200 guys who are single digit or you know, a ten eleven, 641 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:05,279 twelve down there. They shoot in the low eighties regularly. 642 00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,160 Occasionally they'll break into seventies or even shoot in the 643 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,599 mid seventies on a regular basis. When you take them 644 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880 out on course lesson what do you find to be 645 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,240 the issue? 646 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,839 Speaker 3: Normally they're not too bad. 647 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 4: Again, it just obviously yeah, well that's right. 648 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,519 Speaker 3: It's more when you sort of get down to that 649 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,839 sort of number where they're shooting sort of low eighties, 650 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,359 it's to me it's more of a technical stuff and 651 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,480 i'd work more of that on the range. I mean, 652 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:30,920 you can take them on the golf course as well, 653 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,640 but I find they'll get more bang for their buck 654 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,839 if they're if you're working on their swing or working 655 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,880 on their short game. Normally, if they're shooting sort of 656 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,400 high low eighties to sort of mid eighties. They're sort 657 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,640 of their cost management isn't terrible. Again, they could probably 658 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:47,839 pull a few three woods and five woods instead of 659 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:53,200 pulling the driver, but they're just not as I guess, 660 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,359 they're a bit more sensible as far as the clubs 661 00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:58,559 that they are pulling most of the time. 662 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they probably know they're just as much better. 663 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 664 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: Well, they're more consistent golfers, so they're hitting the numbers, 665 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,839 are a little more consistent consistently. But what you will find 666 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,960 is again that they're always probably a lot of the 667 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,160 time taking They could always take an extra club. 668 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: Everybody can. 669 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,519 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, I think even with well, I 670 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,720 would say with the two appliers, but with the amateurs, 671 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:21,799 they're always under clubbing. 672 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,359 Speaker 4: We're always talking about the amateurs. 673 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about the amateurs. They can go to 674 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:29,839 the Golf channel and watch the pros and the single 675 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,759 digit guys. They can focus on that, but that's not 676 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,519 where we are. We're talking about breaking ninety and hopefully 677 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:37,640 breaking eighty sometime. 678 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:39,359 Speaker 4: I mean, that's what we're about here. 679 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're always talking about the amateurs. Yeah, it's all 680 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,039 about the amateurs. 681 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:52,359 Speaker 4: I mean, that's what we're about. 682 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: Here, absolutely, So you know you're gonna find with most suppliers, 683 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:57,519 you know, especially for the guys that are trying to 684 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,920 break break ninety. There's a lot of simple things you 685 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,799 can do to get better. Some of the things I'd 686 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,480 suggest for guys is just a simple thing like an 687 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,799 impact bag is really really good, even with the golf, 688 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:13,480 with the golf club. If you're really crazy about it, 689 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,279 go out. Just go to your local golf store. Keep 690 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,519 yourself a seven nine, maybe get a molded grip put 691 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,119 onto it. You know that they're just really to me, 692 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,519 they're the only decent training aids out there that you 693 00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,160 can buy, and they're probably the oldest and the best ones. 694 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,039 Speaker 4: And these are mold you said, molded grip. 695 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like a molded grip. So if you 696 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,200 went into a gold shop and you see if you've 697 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,799 got a training grips some people might call them, get 698 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,799 yourself a training grip, get yourself like an impact bag. 699 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,839 If you're at home, what you can do is throw 700 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,079 your bag in the backyard and just push it around, 701 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,440 make a few small swings, just try and build up 702 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,720 that feeling of what the correct impact position is. And 703 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,759 you know, fine, if you start pushing the bag, it's 704 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:55,559 going to get your body angles better as well, your 705 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:58,519 body and wrist angles. And if you can do that, 706 00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:00,240 and if you you know and all so, if you've 707 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,759 got a mirror, get yourself in front of a mirror, 708 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,000 because what you're going to find is when you're training, 709 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,759 when you're trying to I always say to my students, 710 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,079 you know, they come, we video them, we try and 711 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,440 use some models, some other top players, and then when 712 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,359 they go away, I always try and email their swings 713 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000 to them, some pitchures, and probably the last thing I 714 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:20,000 say to them is get yourself in front of a mirror, 715 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,359 right because what I generally try and do a lot 716 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,839 of guys anyways, when they come, their setups aren't very good, 717 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,000 so I try and get them set up the correct way, 718 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,039 and obviously when they leave it probably feels a little 719 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,480 foreign to some people, but it's like anything, if you 720 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,400 do it enough, it just becomes a new normal. And 721 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,880 if they can get themselves in front of the mirror, 722 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,519 because you're going to find a golf the fields are 723 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,559 always constantly changing, but visually it's always going to look 724 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,119 the same. Right. So if you can get the correct 725 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,759 set up, you know you're going to find you get 726 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:49,720 the sequence will get better once you start trying to 727 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,640 swing the club. So to me, the start positions the 728 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,480 most important because that's going to set the sequence to 729 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,559 how everything begins. So you know, for example, you know, 730 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,640 if you if you haven't got the right body shape, 731 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,359 I'm sort of big on trying to get people get 732 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,559 their body angles correct at the beginning, So my preference 733 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,440 would be trying to get people more into like an 734 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,440 impact position at the start. Okay. So if you can 735 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:14,119 get that a bit more of an impact position at 736 00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,519 the start, then all you really got to do is 737 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,000 just pull your arms back fully, swing your arms back, 738 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:20,640 and that's going to if you've got the right angles 739 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640 at the beginning, that's going to pull your body and 740 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,079 make your body turn the right way, okay, because the 741 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:26,680 biggest thing with a lot of people is they don't 742 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,400 start the right way and then they're trying to turn, 743 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,799 and then once they're trying to turn, then their bodies 744 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,240 out of position and then they've got to somehow get 745 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,960 back into the right position to hit it. So you know, 746 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:37,720 you've really for the right hand or it's going to 747 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:39,440 feel like their left sides a little bit higher than 748 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,279 their right side, and that being you know, if you 749 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:43,880 take your grip, if you, if you, if you've got 750 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,720 you know, obviously we're all if we're a right hand, 751 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,039 you've got your left hand on top, you've got your 752 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:49,240 right hand on the bottom. So the left side's got 753 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,319 to be a little bit higher. To me, you can't 754 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:54,920 really set up in that sort of static, very straight 755 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,359 looking bodies which most people tend to have. You know, 756 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,640 like we talked about the start, you know, it's it's 757 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,279 got to be a simpler way of doing it. And 758 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,319 I just feel the way it's traditional way golf's tour 759 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,679 is that it's people have to move a lot hit 760 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,800 the ball, and that's why the game is so difficult 761 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,440 because they're trying to because they've got to move a lot. 762 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,599 It's very hard to coordinate it all and hit it straight. 763 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: I'll get nasty letters if I don't ask this question. 764 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,119 We talked about your your attempts and your time on 765 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,079 various tours. 766 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 4: What's the most amount of success that you had. 767 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 3: How did you do well? You know, I didn't really 768 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,800 have a lot of success on the main Tours. You know, 769 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,599 I played, I played, I played, you know, I played 770 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,599 most of the major events in Australia. I think I 771 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,960 made one cut down there. I played a lot on 772 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,039 the secondary tours in Australia, pro am tours as well. Yeah, 773 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:44,880 I probably won about I don't know, eight or ten 774 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,400 events on the on the secondary tour with the pro ams, 775 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,840 you know, I mean, I love playing golf, and you know, 776 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,519 I probably, like most instructors, were all failed players. You know, 777 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,159 we all we all got into golf and we want 778 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,360 to be tour pros. But there's only very small percentage 779 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,960 of guys that actually probably two or three percent of 780 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,039 guys that make a living out of it. 781 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: And even for somebody with that kind of game and 782 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,239 that kind of confidence, you still struggle to make the cut. 783 00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:14,519 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, with golf, I mean, you know the thing 784 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,280 when I was playing, I was playing in the mid 785 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,360 nineties to sort of the early two thousands, and we'd 786 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,599 play like the Australian Open and Greg Norman would be 787 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,800 there or you know, obviously there's a lot of top 788 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,840 Australian players that now play on the PGA Tour, and 789 00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,920 those guys would play all year on the Nationwide Tour 790 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,400 or the now it's theweb dot Com Tour or the 791 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,960 PGA Tour, and you know they're probably playing twenty to 792 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,199 thirty weeks a year, and then you're coming back and 793 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,159 they're playing the Australian Tour and you know they might 794 00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,800 come down play three or four events, and if you 795 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,280 play well enough, you might get a chance to play 796 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,639 four or five events throughout the Australian summer. And it's 797 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,079 pretty hard to compete with those guys if they're playing 798 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,440 every week four round tournaments. You're just playing one two 799 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,000 day events. But you know, when you get to those 800 00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,760 those televised events. The big thing I think the amateurs 801 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,280 don't realizes how much how much tougher the golf courses play. 802 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,480 They play a lot firmer, they play a lot faster, 803 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,159 The rough's a lot deeper. You know you're going to 804 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,599 find that if you're off a little bit, it gets 805 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,960 everything gets amplified, right Whereas if we went out and 806 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,760 played here today or at Peacock Gap, you're going to 807 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,639 find the conditions are a lot softer. The greens are 808 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:22,360 probably a lot slower than what they would be if 809 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,079 you're playing a too event on TV. So you know 810 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:26,920 you find if you if you hit a straight shot, 811 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,440 it tends you tend to get penalized a lot more 812 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:29,880 for it. 813 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:33,199 Speaker 4: Fascinating. I love it. 814 00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 2: Let's wrap it up with the helpful tip up based 815 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,440 on today's conversation. 816 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 3: Okay, well fred a really simple tip that I would 817 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,960 try and give people. When people are over the ball, 818 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:44,760 they tend to move a lot, They tend to try 819 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,159 and shift their weight. They tend to they just tend 820 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,960 to overrotate because it all feels like power. It feels 821 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,239 like they can hit a long way. Simplest tip by 822 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,760 try and give people would be to get your seven nine, 823 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,719 hut yourself on the driving range, put your feet together 824 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,840 and just try and hit a few shots with your 825 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,480 feet together. What that's going to do, It's going to 826 00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:06,760 synchronize everything up a little bit more. It's going to 827 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,119 make everything work together a little bit more. As I 828 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,280 said before, people tend to move about a lot, and 829 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,119 when they move about a lot, it tends to make 830 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,320 it really complicated and it makes it hard to repeat