WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:11.640 Joe Sclante live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean Burbank. 2 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:14.919 This is two hours of the business, end of show business, 3 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:16.879 not two hours right now. Though, this is a special 4 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:22.600 podcast episode because it is the dol drums of the 5 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:26.519 NFL season where we are preempted almost every week, so 6 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:28.800 it's going to be podcast only most of the time 7 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:34.119 until oh, you know, I'm around the holidays. So we 8 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:40.679 are today going to talk about mainly the Menendez thing 9 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:45.000 on Netflix. I didn't go to an actual theater this week. 10 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:49.560 Some people did. The people that saw Terrifier three made 11 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:53.359 it number one, and a lot of people listened to 12 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:55.960 my advice and saw Wild Robot, but not enough to 13 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:58.439 keep it at number one. Wild Robot. It just can't 14 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:02.200 beat it. You just cannot beat it. It's a perfect movie. 15 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.959 Some people have said, well, I've seen the storyline done 16 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:12.200 better or whatever. I don't care. This is a beautiful film, 17 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:19.599 you know, and you're gonna love it. The animation is great, 18 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.719 and animation is just killing it right now. So congratulations 19 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:28.280 to Universal for making a better an animated product than 20 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.239 anything I've seen out at Disney in quite some time. 21 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.840 And I'm the biggest Disney fan there is, maybe not 22 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:36.920 the bigness I biggest. I'm not one of those Disney adults. Okay, 23 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.319 I'm not a pin trader. I'm just you know, I 24 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:42.040 grew up in near Disneyland. I went there a lot. 25 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.359 I used to get in for free early in my youth, 26 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.400 just hanging out there like it was a you know, 27 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:52.079 like the back alleys of the Bowery Boys and just 28 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.920 causing mischief. Never got kicked out, got in trouble once, 29 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.680 but never got kicked out, even though I wrote a 30 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:04.319 I guess you could call it a hit song, one 31 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:06.680 of the Vandals hit song hit song in punk rock 32 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.560 Pirate's Life, about taking LSD and going on the Pirates 33 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:15.919 of the Caribbean ride and being trapped in there because 34 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:23.439 you it was an interdimensional experience that was spurred by 35 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:30.719 a drug induced fantasy that went wrong. But I never 36 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.879 did that. I'm just reporting what's out on the streets, 37 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:35.759 what's going on in the streets. People are doing that. 38 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.759 I don't recommend it. You don't need drugs at Disneyland, 39 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:43.280 and you shouldn't take drugs at Disneyland because there's a 40 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:50.680 lot of heavy machinery and children. So come on, Okay, 41 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.120 so wild row About. You should see it, and maybe 42 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.439 they'll have a wild Rowbout ride at Universal Studios that 43 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:56.919 might get me to go there. I just went to 44 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.719 the Universal Studios in Orlando, but in Orlando like ten times, 45 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.199 kind of Disney World over and over. I love Epcot. 46 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:07.639 Never went to Universal. Finally went and I'm like, yeah, 47 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.520 it's not for me. I mean it's cool, Harry Potter's amazing, 48 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:15.360 but I don't know. Okay. So number three is The Joker. 49 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.400 People say it sucks. I'm not gonna watch it. There's 50 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:19.680 no way in hell I'm going to sit down and 51 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.360 watch The Joker. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Great movie. You should see it. 52 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.800 Saturday Night Live documentary. A lot of people are going 53 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:30.039 to see it from Sony Pictures. But I'm I couldn't 54 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.639 get myself motivated to go and watch a documentary about 55 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:37.000 a TV show in a theater. I couldn't do it. 56 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.919 I'm not saying it. It's not gonna happen. Number six 57 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.000 is Piece by Piece. I'm not really interested in that one. 58 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:49.199 Transformers one again. No Nightmare Before Christmas comes back every year. Great, 59 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:56.000 The Apprentice, you don't care, Okay, let's move on to 60 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.680 what I was going to talk about. First. I'm going 61 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:06.240 to talk about, Uh, there's a couple of things. Chapel roone. 62 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.159 You know her, Do you know who she is? She's 63 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:15.240 a transgender queer artist or she's not transgender because she's 64 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.600 dresses like a girl and she is a girl, but 65 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:22.920 her influences are transgendered people and that's her aesthetic. It's 66 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:27.600 like I dressed like a dry queen. It's not bad. 67 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.319 I mean, you know, I think if you're a performer, 68 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.160 I think that's a pretty good one. It's a good one. 69 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:40.879 You know, it's theatrical. And yeah. One times I made 70 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.319 the mistake of like I had an old girlfriend and 71 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.600 like she'd ask me, oh, do you think that girl's pretty? 72 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.079 Do you think that girl's pretty? You know? And then 73 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.360 I made the mistake of answering yes or no. What 74 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.240 she just shouldn't do You should just say no, one's 75 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:58.480 a pretty as you dear. Anyway, after I I told 76 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.759 her a couple of girls I thought were pretty, one day, 77 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.800 she goes, you just like girls who look like drag queens. 78 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:11.759 And you know you don't want that because then next 79 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:13.879 time you're around a girl that looks like a drag 80 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.720 queen or worse at drag queen, then your girlfriend is 81 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.920 gonna be suspicious of you. You don't need that, so 82 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.480 you can't give him information like that. You just can't. 83 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.720 I only like girls that look like my wife. That's 84 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.240 problem too, because then there are girls that look like 85 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.040 my wife, and then she sees them. She goes that 86 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.600 girl likes me, looks like me. Why he's staring at her. 87 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.120 But she's not really like that, So I don't have 88 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:40.959 to worry about it. But Chapel Roane. I saw her 89 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:44.160 at Coachella. She was good. She's an underfire right now 90 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:48.439 because Bill Maher is criticizing her, and I'm wondering if 91 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.639 what happens to her career. Does this help hurt her 92 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.959 career help her career? I don't know, because it has 93 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.519 to do with Israel and Gaza and all that stuff. 94 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:58.399 And I'm not smart enough to understand what's going on 95 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.959 over there, and I'm not gonna try. But I do 96 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:05.319 know what Bill Maher said. He said, if you were 97 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.160 in the Mid East, they would throw you off a 98 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:10.519 building because that's what they do to queer people. So 99 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.560 he's trying to tell her give her a fraternal correction. 100 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:21.800 Don't get on the Palestinian bandwagon because it makes you 101 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.000 look like you don't know what they do there to 102 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:30.519 queer people. So entertainers always better off just kind of 103 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:35.199 being like, hey, you know, I'm next question. Hey, what 104 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.560 do you think Chapel of what's going on in Israel 105 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.120 and Gauza? I think all people should be free and 106 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:44.639 I'm against war in the end. That's your entertainment advice 107 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:52.439 for today. Now there's an actual legal case which is 108 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:54.560 kind of fascinating right now. Have you heard of it? 109 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:59.480 Limp Biscuit files a lawsuit against Universal alleging they owe 110 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:04.000 them to one hundred million dollars in royalties, And you say, 111 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.639 to yourself, how could that be? I say that to myself, 112 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:11.519 how could we How could Limp Biscuit earn two hundred 113 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:15.639 million dollars in royalties? Ever, they're big, but wow. Then 114 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:17.920 they kind of went away. But then as this nineties 115 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.639 thing comes back, they have a resurgence. I think last 116 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:25.000 time we played the Vandals played with them on a festival. 117 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:26.839 They were on one day, We're on the other day. 118 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.720 The Vandals outdrew them. But since then the nineties thing 119 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.600 has come back in a big way, and they're the 120 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:39.199 poster children for the nineties, so they're I think what happened. 121 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.360 So they're saying that their their royalties were done wrong, 122 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.319 and they're they're of course, the lawyer is going to 123 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:46.920 say they're purposely calculated to cheat people. I don't know 124 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:53.240 if I believe that, but deliberately designed to conceal artists 125 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.319 royalties so it can pocket the profits. That's a little 126 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:02.879 extreme of a charge to make against a the largest 127 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.199 music company in the world that other people are not suing. 128 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.000 But so what they were getting, they were getting statements. 129 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.879 Here's what you get. When you're in the music business 130 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:18.120 and you have a record out, you get these statements. Now, 131 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:19.800 if you have a sleazy label, they don't even send 132 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.079 you the statements. But a good label, we're going to 133 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.360 send you statements either quarterly or bi annually or monthly sometimes, 134 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.000 and you get these statements and it says mainly you're 135 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.160 looking at these statements if you're a young rock band, 136 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:33.759 to say like are you recouped or not? Are you 137 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.679 close to getting royalties? Because there's two kinds of royalties 138 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:39.200 you would be looking for in your statement. There would 139 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:43.679 be a statement for publishing and a statement for album sales. 140 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.960 We'll call it that now you're publishing. Is the amount 141 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:54.080 of money that the record label must pay composers when 142 00:08:54.080 --> 00:09:00.879 they're mechanically reproducing their copyrights onto a tangible met or 143 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:04.639 even a digital medium. A that's caught. Why they call 144 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:08.200 it a mechanical royalty. It would be something like just 145 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.399 I'll just tell you, like I'd be like, let's call 146 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:14.960 it seventy cents a record, an album sex six cents 147 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.600 a song or something like that. They've got to pay 148 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.919 that to somebody. They pay it to whoever owns the 149 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:23.159 composing rights. Who the composer, Maybe he sold his rights, 150 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:28.399 maybe he's got a partner. They there's a company called 151 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.279 Harry Fox that collects that from most people. I don't 152 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.039 let them collect my money because I can collect my 153 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.440 own money and I don't want to give them a cut. 154 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:37.759 But you were going to if you're a record label, 155 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:39.720 every time you mechanically reproduce a record, you got to 156 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.559 pay that six cents a song. Okay, So you look 157 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.799 at that, and that goes directly to the band. You 158 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.639 can't you cannot touch that. You can give it to, 159 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:50.279 you give it to the publisher or the band. Sometimes 160 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.279 a publisher came about and said, hey, fred Durst, let 161 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.240 me give you a million dollar advance on your publishing. 162 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:59.000 Now you're paying it to that guy until it recoops. 163 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:04.120 And then it recoops, then you're that guy's got to 164 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.159 collect the money and start giving it to Fred Durst 165 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:10.159 or half of it or or three quarters of it, 166 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:11.879 depending on the deal you made and how much money 167 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.879 of an advance you took. I hope this is not 168 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:19.960 putting you to sleep. So that's publishing. That's for songwriting. Now, 169 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.360 sometimes it goes to a different person because like, if 170 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:25.879 you're Elvis, you didn't write your songs, maybe some of them. 171 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:27.840 If you're Frank Sinatra, you didn't write any of them. 172 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.759 So on a Frank Sinatra album, all that money's going to, 173 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.240 you know, Paul Anka, whoever wrote things like New York, 174 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.039 New York. That's where that money's going. It's not going 175 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.840 to Frank Sinatra is only getting the album sales royalties. 176 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.480 So those are two different things. So when but when 177 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.679 the Biscuit looks at their statements, their statements all said, 178 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:52.919 you're not recouped yet on your album sales, or you're publishing. Actually, 179 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:55.600 let's leave publishing a side. Let's just deal with album sales, 180 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:59.679 because you're not recouped yet, so we're not paying you anything. 181 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:01.639 And then they just kind of got used to that, 182 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:05.200 and because well they took says here in this article 183 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.559 that they got like forty two million dollars in advances 184 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.080 over their career. Okay, think about that, staggering number. Two 185 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:19.840 forty two million dollars. Lord, the Vandals probably got one 186 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.720 million dollars worth of advances over their entire career. I'm 187 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:27.679 going to say five hundred thousand. And we are recouped everywhere, 188 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.720 everywhere in town, so we get when we get a statement, 189 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.279 we get actual royalties because we're recouped. Now, if they 190 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:38.000 get an advance of one million dollars for their album 191 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:42.600 sales from Universal, forget about publishing. They've got to earn 192 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:48.159 out that advance before they get a cent. And that 193 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.080 would be about a dollar to a dollar thirty five 194 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:53.399 in Fred durstday, probably a dollar thirty five for each 195 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:57.639 CD that was sold. So they got to sell a 196 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.639 million to recoup a one point three five million dollar advance. 197 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.360 How many millions of records did they sell? Well, if 198 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.919 they got a forty two million dollar worth of advance. 199 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.360 As some of that's probably in publishing. That's a lot 200 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.960 of records you gotta sell. But over time the streaming 201 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.559 income started to come in. You know, probably sold some 202 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:22.039 songs to some films and evidently the money piled up. 203 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:25.840 They were owed a bunch of money and they didn't 204 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.000 and then finally when they complained about it at all, 205 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.559 it looks like, according to this article, Universal sent them 206 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.159 a million dollars to them to fred Durst, and a 207 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.559 million or to the band, then three million dollars to 208 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:40.240 the record label that fred Durst started to put out 209 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:42.000 his own records. Because remember for a while he was 210 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:43.919 like I got my own record label and directing movies, 211 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:45.559 all that kind of stuff. He was a big player. 212 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:49.279 So he's getting a good royalty rate because he owns 213 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.559 a record label. And they did pay him. It's like 214 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.960 they paid him maybe four million dollars or something like that. 215 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.519 But his lawyers say, you got two point three million 216 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.320 to Flawless Records, his company, and one million to him 217 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:10.559 in last August. But they filed the lawsuit last week 218 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.840 and they say there owe two hundred million dollars as 219 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:17.919 a lawyer. I heard his name is Quantinets or something 220 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:27.000 like that, and he's very colorful and he polls stunts 221 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.519 and things like that, and he gets in the in 222 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:35.039 the public eye and forces things to happen with public pressure. 223 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:38.519 That kind of guy. So we're all gonna watch this 224 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:43.679 very closely, except for bands, I mean, especially bands that 225 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.960 have deals with Universal and have had him through the nineties, 226 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:52.320 like some bands I won't mention that I'm very interested in. 227 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.919 So we'll see how that goes. That is limp biscuit 228 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:03.000 versus Universal, hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, theoretically, 229 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:06.720 we'll see. All right, now, we're gonna get to the 230 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.240 Menendez thing, because that's the only thing. I mean, I 231 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.240 just kind of watched it obsessively and didn't go to 232 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:20.879 a movie theater and the did you watch it? What 233 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.000 did you think of it? Put it in my Facebook comments. 234 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:24.840 That's the only place you can really get a hold 235 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:31.559 of me, or I might respond, Okay, it's nine episodes. 236 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.840 Nobody's getting nine episodes to do a true crime story. 237 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:38.440 But Ryan Murphy. Ry Murphy's one of the most successful 238 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:43.200 producers in television, and he's got you know, hits everywhere, 239 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:48.080 and he made this huge deal with Netflix and it's 240 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:50.000 kind of starting to pay off for Netflix. He did 241 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.120 the Dammer one, now he's doing this one nine episodes, 242 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:56.240 so they really dragged out the story, gave him an 243 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:59.360 opportunity to be very artistic with it and to tell 244 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.720 every side of the story, you know, all these different angles. 245 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:07.039 So I some of the parts of it I didn't 246 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.159 enjoy at all, but in the for the most part 247 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.320 was I was hooked to I was hooked to it, 248 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:15.679 and I enjoyed a lot of it. Is like my 249 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:19.600 era of the nineties, you know, when I'm like twenty 250 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:22.759 seven in nineteen ninety and this is going on at 251 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:27.320 that time, and I'm in law school, and it was. 252 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:34.200 It was fascinating back then, still fascinating now if you 253 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.480 don't know the story. They killed their parents and then 254 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:42.039 they seem to have gotten away with it, mainly because 255 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.399 the Beverly Hills police at that time weren't doing the 256 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.360 thing that you could pull anyone off the street. Right now, 257 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:52.960 there's so much true crime on TV and ask them, Hey, 258 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:59.000 if two parents got murdered in Beverly Hills or anywhere, 259 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.279 who's their and they had two kids. Who's the who's 260 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.480 the first person you're gonna look at? Well, I look 261 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:07.519 at and see if they had any affairs, you know, 262 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.440 going on, and then I'd look at the kids, you know, 263 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.279 do they stand again? Who's stand again? Who stand again? 264 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:15.080 Of course these kids stood to gain. I mean there's 265 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.200 some complications about whether they were cut out of the 266 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.000 wheel or not. But if you're a cop who stands 267 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.360 to gain, go investigate them. They didn't do anything. They 268 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.559 let these guys are run around for months selling or 269 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:29.039 buying roll x'es and cars, and of course they did 270 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:33.879 because they're stupid. And the whole uh the upshot of 271 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:36.639 the all the Menendez you know documentaries. There's a documentary 272 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:39.320 I watched. First, I thought there's a Menendez thing. I 273 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.200 went on Netflix and I watched. I thought it was 274 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.240 everyone was talking about this documentary. I watched that. That 275 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.399 was pretty good. The Netflix went then I realized, oh, 276 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.559 there's a narrative, scripted drama here. Let me watch that, 277 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.360 yep shot of it. These are just two stupid people, 278 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:02.360 stupid spoiled chemacos. These guys never had to do anything 279 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.440 for themselves, and they're there their dad. It seems like 280 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:09.160 their dad pretended to say like, I'm gonna be tough 281 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.599 on you, okay, And then but he's so worried about 282 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:17.880 his ego and that these these kids will be show 283 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:19.599 pieces for him, and they will go to the best 284 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.279 schools and they'll be the best tennis players and all 285 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:26.000 that stuff. He has to fund it all, and you 286 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:27.680 got to worry that. I think, you know one thing, 287 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:29.000 if you're a kid like that, you can worry. You 288 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.000 know what, I don't really need all this stuff. I'm 289 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.759 gonna dress like a homeless person and see how you 290 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:36.640 like that. I'm gonna embarrass you. No, no, no, no, 291 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.559 don't dress like a homeless person. Here's an unlimited clothing budget, 292 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:43.000 you know, that kind of manipulation. So he gave him everything, 293 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:48.920 yet he was cruel to them, seems like now, but 294 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.599 you know, defind cruel when you're trying to raise kids 295 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:54.640 who are spoiled brands. I think it comes down to 296 00:17:54.680 --> 00:18:00.720 his ego. His ego is not letting him raise the 297 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:02.279 kids in a normal way. But I don't know how 298 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:05.880 to raise kids. Who does. But he raised them in 299 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:07.759 a way where they shot him in the face of 300 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.319 the shotgun. So he obviously I think I can say 301 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.920 he did a really crappy job. Whatever's method was, it 302 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:20.039 didn't work. But after they're arrested, then after a while 303 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:22.359 they come up with a story said we killed them 304 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.519 because we were molested, because they came up with a 305 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.079 theory where they could argue self defense and avoid the 306 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:30.839 death penalty and maybe get out of prison. Because if 307 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.519 you have an honest, good faith belief that your life 308 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.599 was in danger and you shot them for that honest, 309 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.680 good faith belief, you don't get out of jail, but 310 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.519 you do get to plead to like an involuntary manslaughter 311 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.119 or a voluntary manslaughter. I think that's what it would be, 312 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.759 and they cannot charge you with first durg murder if 313 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.440 you had a good faith belief that your life was 314 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.920 in danger. So they concocted a story where they had 315 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:57.440 a good faith belief that their life was in danger 316 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:01.359 because their parents were going to kill them. They basically 317 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:03.079 that was part of their thing. They have been molested 318 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.000 forever and their parents are going to go to kill them, 319 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:06.519 that we're going to kill them, And they didn't have 320 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:08.559 a very good support for why their mom would kill them. 321 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:14.039 And I think that is what the that's one of 322 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.079 the problems with their case. But in the movie, let's 323 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.599 talk about the movie. The movie. You watch it, it might 324 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.599 make you mad sometimes, you know, you say, people never 325 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.319 say stuff like this or that would never happen. Why 326 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:28.160 would they believe this? These people are spoiled brats. But 327 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:33.319 you're really seeing this in a Roschmann type scenario where 328 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:37.720 different versions of the same story are being told over 329 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:40.359 and over and over again, gets a little repetitive. The 330 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.240 worst is that they keep talking about details of the 331 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:48.039 molestation which probably didn't occur, over and over and over 332 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.039 and over again, the same details over and over and then. 333 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.079 And my wife at one point was going, Wow, these 334 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:02.039 are such detailed molestation stories. How would they even know 335 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.400 to make this stuff up? And then someone pointed out 336 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.240 that they were reading all these books about molestation stories, 337 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:10.519 so they got really good at it and their life 338 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:15.119 was on the line and they put on a performance 339 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:19.480 and Okay, no one bought it, and they're in prison 340 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:21.279 for the rest of their life. So that's But when 341 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.319 you're watching this now, you wanna hang Ryan Murphy for 342 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:28.160 trying to depict what happened. And sometimes you're mad at him. 343 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.000 You're like, oh, come on, this why do you do this? 344 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.880 Why do you do that? But hey, it's an epic 345 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.920 nine hours. He's got to fill the time, and he 346 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.960 made I think he did a great job, except for 347 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:43.160 repeating the child the pedophile stuff over and over because 348 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:47.519 it didn't happen. Most likely it just did not happen. 349 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:50.160 They made it up so they could. That's their defense. Hey, 350 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:51.720 how we get out of this. Let's make up the story. 351 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:54.720 That's the story they made up. It's no different than saying, well, 352 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:56.359 I wasn't there, I was over here. I have an alibi. 353 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.720 It was like, well, I did kill him, but I 354 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.079 had to because I thought they're going to kill me, 355 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.359 and you know, they were molested me in my whole life. Okay, 356 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.839 it's no one bought it, so we don't really have 357 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:12.319 to worry about it. But I think you can make 358 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:17.440 an argument that if your dad was so mean, you 359 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.119 had to kill him because you're so freaked out by it. 360 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:26.119 And I think the jury could have said, Okay, so 361 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.000 you killed your dad, we're going to go easy on 362 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:32.279 you in that voluntary manslaughter. You were so freaked out 363 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:35.599 and so you know, your poor thing. The problem is 364 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:39.480 they killed their mom. Okay, so for killing your mom, 365 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:42.759 you get the death penalty. No, I'm not really for 366 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.480 the death penalty, so I'm glad I wasn't around then. 367 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:50.119 But you get the maximum penalty for killing your mom, 368 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.400 which is death. So why are we even talking about it? 369 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:56.200 Why coming up with all these excuses about why you 370 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.640 killed your dad when you killed your mom. No excuses 371 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.160 for killing your mom. So you get maximum for your mom. 372 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:07.119 We can only kill you once. So you killed her, 373 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.640 you get killed, and we're done. But back then, I 374 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.359 don't know. I don't know why someone didn't come up 375 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:22.880 with that argument. But there's two trials. First trial, they 376 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:24.680 give them the benefit of the doubt and they let 377 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.079 all this stuff in. You're gonna let you plead this 378 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:31.920 child molesting thing or whatever, and enough of the jury 379 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:33.599 buys it, so they have a hung jury, and so 380 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:36.720 they're going to try them again. Second trial, the judge, 381 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.359 same judge, says, well, I don't want that to happen again, 382 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.640 so let me manipulate how much evidence comes in, and 383 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.119 then I know I'll get a guilty verdict, which I 384 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.759 don't know if that's fair either. So the first one 385 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:51.759 was let them say anything and put on a show. 386 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.519 And the ladies and the jury believed it. The men 387 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:59.640 said no way, and then that was unfair because they were, 388 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:05.720 you know, just crucifying their parents. There's no evidence for 389 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:10.759 this molestation at all. None. There's a couple like people 390 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:12.400 that said, well, yeah, I heard, and he told me 391 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:14.440 there was something going on. But they also have letters 392 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.680 of the Menendez kids writing letters to people and telling 393 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:20.519 them to come and testify and tell the following lie. 394 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.920 They call him on the phone, tell the following lie. 395 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:27.599 So they have that, so you can't really believe anything 396 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.839 they say. So basically you have to approach this so 397 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:37.400 you can't believe anything they say. But the one funny 398 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.640 thing is the prosecutor in the first trial says she 399 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:47.440 could not find one person to testify favorably for Jose Menendez. 400 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.119 Could not find one person that would come in and 401 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.079