Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,
episode eighteen of Clips and Dip. We are so close
to the Clippers season regular season. Excuse me. Thank you
for joining us. If you're listening to us, thank you.
If you'd like to watch us. We are at YouTube
dot com Slash at Clippers Podcast. I am Chuck Mockler,
joined by Adam Oslin. William Updyke still in Japan as
far as we know, we believe he's in Japan, he
could be anywhere.
Speaker 2: You sound like MLB facts there as far as we know,
as far.
Speaker 1: A hot stove, the William Updyke hot stove has started.
We're doing a mailbag question today. We've had a couple
of preseason games. People are wondering about starting lineups. People
are wondering about Kawhi. We have no updates on him.
But before we get into that, Adam Osland, you have
been going so hard on Clippers media. How are you
doing on this kind of hot Thursday evening in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2: What do you mean We have no updates on Quad,
just did an hour on it. I'm doing good. I'm okay,
I feel feel good. Yeah, we're close, close to the
Clippers season starting so close you can almost taste the
popcorn that Steph Curry approved.
Speaker 1: See, I didn't want to start things off. I think
I forget about that. No, glad to hear you doing well.
I'm doing well. I got my first physical since I
was playing high school sports the other day, so it
had been a while. Perfect health, which is great to hear.
So that was nice. The doctor was like, why did
you get this? And I told him I haven't had
one since I was eighteen. He was like, oh, okay,
well that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I think I want to do this either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like why are you here?
Speaker 2: I waited?
Speaker 1: I waited for a half hour because they forgot about
my appointment and then I talked to the doctor for
like five minutes.
Speaker 2: But especially how it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hope everyone listening is in good help.
Let's get into these questions. Thank you for sending these.
If you ever have questions you want us to answer,
you can send them to at clippers pot on Twitter
or at fallow Autime on Twitter. He would love to
get your questions for the show. Any question, trade questions,
trade machine stuff, Shoot it over to Anime.
Speaker 2: I got enough questions on Clippers talk earlier.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm excited to see how the Clippers talk
the radio audiences this year, because I still think fans
are oscillating between the William Updike school of thought, which is,
of course, this is our year, and you.
Speaker 2: Really haven't heard much of that outside of will I
gotta be.
Speaker 1: Honest and we're gonna stink. So we got some questions
along those lines. Oh. First of all, our last episode,
Adam recommended a diet soda that was special edition twenty
twenty four Diet Doctor Pepper Cherry zero zero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, zero is some I don't know if they use
a different faked sugar in Zeros versus diet because they're
both zero calorie. I don't know if the sodium level
is different. I don't know. I know the caffeine level
tends to be higher in the Zeros than the diets.
I think that's a fact. Like zero might be what
they used to call max, Like they used to have
Pepsi max and that was higher level caffeination has some
gin singing, and I think so maybe that's what they
replaced it with. I don't know, but their dan's good crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't think any soda but that's crazy. They put
gin sing in PEPSI.
Speaker 2: I currently have a Mountain Dew diet which is nectar
of the guys.
Speaker 1: Hey can't go wrong there. And the last episode on
your recommendation, someone purchased some of that Doctor Pepper. So
Doctor Pepper, if you're listening, people who listen to the
show will buy your product. If we talk about it, is.
Speaker 2: That who gave you the physical?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I got the physical and I got prescribed
thirty three different flavors or whatever is pers in the
Doctor Pepper. We got some clippers questions we're gonna start off?
Carlos Escobar asked, season started today, who's your starting five?
I think we probably have a possibly the same answer
on this.
Speaker 2: Well, if it's starting today, Kawhi is not playing today, and.
Speaker 1: If it's starting in a couple of weeks, I also
don't think Kawi will be playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't practice a he's still not practicing. So
I would go James Harden, okay, Norman Powell, yep, Terrence Man,
Derek Jones Junior, and Niko Batoum. Probably Derek Jones Junior.
In Abisa Zubots but I can, I'd be fine with him,
one with Nico for a little bit more size.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean, I just I have the
exact same two lineups, basically the thing with Derek Jones Junior.
And we talked about this a little bit about how
the Clippers have five preseason games. He's had two weird
preseason games. He had foul trouble, then he had the
head confusion, which he does seem to be recovering well from.
Speaker 2: I could see today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see them maybe just for a couple
of games, depending how the rest of the preseason goes,
putting Nico in there at the four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there was a question about Nico today.
I don't know, like how much is he going to
play in the preseason. He played a little bit last game.
He didn't play at all in Game one, So yeah,
maybe I'd be interested in Nico playing the four to
start things off, just to have more size. He's not
a great rebounder. If there is a knock on Nico,
I don't think he's a great rebounder for his size,
Like Marcus Morris did more of that back in twenty
twenty one than Nico, did, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's a good point and I think too,
Like the pro argument for Utina is like the stability, right,
he knows the system, he knows Terrence, he knows Zoo.
You know, he's you know, like that would be good.
But we do need some rebounding and they've been hammering
that need home. If you've been listening to any of
the quotes from Tyler and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, offensive rebounding. They've they won the battle of the
boards against Milwalk, against walking, against Brooklyn on Tuesday night.
But that's not saying much because I don't think Brooklyn
had a guy out there that was taller than six
's eight.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Ben Simmons was probably the tallest guy out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Nico can't. Can he rebound better than
Derek Jones Junior? I guess this is really the only question.
And if that's the case, you might want him out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. True. And we know, like also the rotations like
they're gonna work. We've heard Tyler you talk about Zoo
getting more time with the second unit and Kai getting
time with running the picker up with James Harden. So
like starting doesn't dictate overall playing time with the Clippers team.
Speaker 2: Right now, we've known that with Terris for a while.
Doesn't mean you're finishing games? Does it mean you're.
Speaker 1: Closing and zoo and I thought the quote today from
Ty was funny about boxing out. He was like, our
guys are boxing out, but now we have to grab
the rebound. Yeah, guys are checking. We gotta grab the board.
So yeah, I think rebounding would make the difference on
who they're starting at before.
Speaker 2: I love their emphasizing rebounding and they're saying all the
right things. I just don't know if the personnel is
there to be a very good rebounding team. I still
have questions about that. And if you do crash the
glass that hard with all your smalls, it's going to
take something out of you on the other end. Just
is so there's no great solution to it unless Kobe
Brown really steps up and becomes a great rebounder. Jordan
Miller like, I don't know if they have a guy
in house or Kay Jones. I don't know what they
can do about it because they're a smaller squad. They
just are.
Speaker 1: They were nineteenth in total rebounds last year, and I
think we might they want to be higher than that,
but I wouldn't be surprised if we're in that like
thirteen to seventeen range.
Speaker 2: I could see Man improving because his rebounding went down
a little bit the last couple of years, and there's
no reason for that. If it's just a point of
emphasis for Terrence Man to rebound more, I think he'll
do it. And that was something they talked about and
he did it. I think Terrence Man was awesome in
Game two by the way. Yeah, in the limited time,
probably the best player out there, So it could work
for Terrence. Derek Jones Junior, I'm not. I don't know
his rebounding potential. To be honest, I don't know how
good of a rebounder he is. He's so slight a frame,
but he does have a great vertical Like can he
really help and get in there and do some of
that dirty work. We know the dirty work he can
do with defending. Can he do some of the rebounding
though that? Yeah, time will tell. Maybe the second question
will tell us In the comments, Hey, hey, I am
sure there are some people who are There's been people
telling us a lot of stuff over.
Speaker 1: We got a question from David Spades, who never had
a question from a famous person before who's technically the
backup point guard, And is that a problem.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's. Yeah, it is a good question,
I don't I don't think it's a problem. Earlier today,
James Harden said something interesting at practice that I took
note of. They were interviewing Terrence Man and he just
kind of came over and I don't think he was
scheduled to be interviewed. But I think it's the leadership
of James Harden. Right now, they're interywing one of his guys.
He wanted to talk them up.
Speaker 1: Wants to protect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, quote, team man is gonna have to
take a lot of responsibility with ball handling. So for me,
just getting comfortable playing off the ball, moving doing certain
things to make our offense more fluid and getting guys shots.
But Team man is going to have to take a
lot more responsibility with ball handling. I think they're doing it.
I think they're approaching this right where they're saying because
we've seen James Harden doing a lot of catch and
shoot stuff in training camp and in practice. I think
they know they can't just run it all through James Harden.
It will be far too taxing as good as he is.
They need other guys, whether that's Terrence, whether that's Norman
Powell with the ball in his hands, whether it's Bones,
whether it's KPJ. They have to have other guys do it.
Terrence Man has done it, Norman Powell can bring the
ball up the floor too. If those two guys are
both in the starting lineup, that alleviates some of the
pressure on Terrence Man. And then maybe Man is ruining
the show more with the second unit, maybe he takes out.
Is that comment about taking Norman Powell out early to
bring him back with the second unit with the Beasts
of Zoobots, Does that mean he's gonna be the backup
point guard? Do you think.
Speaker 1: Probably Norm has wanted Norm's talked about wanting, you know,
to show his pick and roll skills off. So like
maybe we have this weird Norm starts as the two
and is the backup point guard.
Speaker 2: I can see that we go ahead, like if Quhi's out,
and depending on what minutes Norm plays and with who,
there might still be a role available for Bones Highland
if Kawhy is out.
Speaker 1: We got a question about that. Sal Kart some amazing names.
By the way, on these questions. So far we got
David Spades and Sal Krt. Is there a path for
Bones to play meaningful minutes this season without an injury
to the main guys with that quantifier on the end
of it.
Speaker 2: No, No, there's a chance, like if Kevin Porter junior
and he was pretty good Tuesday night. Also he was
much better. I think he shot it better he had.
It's funny he was grabbing his litwer back for a
second and then they got gave him the ball and
he took this tough step back jumper, got it to
go and then was lagging to get back defensively and
was kind of spine and then had the steal and
the eurostep for a layup. So that all happened in
about ten seconds.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't play well enough, then Bones is back
in play, I think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's still up in the air. It's just
like he's in a he's in purgatory kind of.
Speaker 2: It's unlikely. It's unlikely, Yeah, which sucks.
Speaker 1: He's he was bad in the first preseason game.
Speaker 2: They had that that lineup was bad. Like if you
put Blowans out there with bad lineups, it's gonna be
bad basketball. Basically that like he's not elevating a lineup,
he can add to a lineup, and he can add
a different dimension to certain lineups. If it's bones in
real minutes against first units or second units out there,
can do things bones as garbage time bones and in
inconsequential time. We've seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was. There was some bad garbage time last year,
and that's saying something for what is already called garbage time.
Tirun Polani yet another great name. Any chance the Clippers
play Kawhi at the three? I think the ships sailed.
Speaker 2: Starting at the three, probably sailed with different combinations later
in the game. Yeah, he can play the three, that
that will happen. But those comments were really interesting. I
talked with Law about it yesterday in trying to figure
out whether or not he's telling the Clippers to get
a four yeah, or if he's talking about it really
could be both or one or the other. If he's
talking about the way he's always played and how he
needs to make an adjustment because it's too much like
him running around and being leading them in miles per
game at thirty three is a recipe for disaster with
his right knee. But that's how he's always played. That's
why he's a Hall of Famer, So how can he
do less of that? I think that's why the Clippers
brought in Chris Dunn and Derek Jones Junior and brought
Batoum back. I think that's the help Kawhi not have
to run around as much because that was happening at
Power Forward. It was also happening when he played the
free with Toronto.
Speaker 1: That's kind of his style. He's such a good defender
that he's When you're a good defender, you run a
lot because you're sticking with your guy and all that
stuff like that is it's it's like it's kind of
a double edged short because that's kind of his playing style,
is being a machine who doesn't stop coming after you
on defense and doesn't stop coming after you on offense.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, exactly what I said. It's a blessing and
a curse, I guess at this point, Like I think
it's less to do with the four of the three
at this point, Yeah, and it's actually more about just
the way Kawhi Leonard plays. Regardless if he's playing the
four of the three, he's probably leading you in miles
ran per game, and that's something that has to change.
I should to protect him from himself, and I don't
know how easy that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, he's been playing. He's been He's a plus
ten year vet. It's like a change now, Like go
ahead and shift gear down a little bit, Kawhi.
Speaker 2: Do we just play him less minutes? Is that the change?
Like he can't play any different when he's out there,
But do we just play him less minutes? So therefore
is less miles per game? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at that idea. Again, we're going to see
some interesting load management. Speaking of Kawhi, Daniel m if
Kawhi manages to stay somewhat healthy in Balls out, do
you guys see him getting blaked this season? Give him
the right opportunity or do you think they'll continue to
roll the dice on him. We were just talking about
this before we started recording. There's been some discourse on
at Clippers Pod on Twitter. They're not trading Kawhi in
the Blake fashion. They're not just gonna be like, hey, Kawhi.
It's like when you when if you've ever worked at
a restaurant and your manager comes up to you before
your shift and asks you, hey, did you bring a
different shirt? Can you talk to me before your shift?
You're getting fired. They're not doing that to Kawhi Leonard.
They're not meeting him before that he gets to the
door to find out his key card doesn't work, and
then telling him he's going to play in Charlotte because
we got a first round pick in a couple seconds
and someone shitty.
Speaker 2: The only way for this to happen, first of all,
I think is for realistically to play well for a
stretch of time, for it to look like it did
at times last season. Then teams get interested and maybe
the Clippers aren't in a position to win even though
Kawhi Leonard is still an elite level, which is also
if he's playing that well, the Clippers are likely winning.
That's how it always works. It's like threading the needle
and all the right variables. And how this would have
to happen for a team to get interested should also
mean the Clippers might want to keep him because he's
the lottery ticket. If you do have him healthy in
a playoff series, as I used, playing well, then you
have a chance against pretty much anyone. So I don't know, guys,
I just I agree with Chuck. It's not going to
happen the same way. It would never happen the same way.
Maybe I should never say never never. It is so
unlikely for it to happen the way it happened with Blake.
For an abundance of reasons, but I think the biggest
one might be this. I brought this up all summer.
I believe Kawhi is become a legacy player and a
symbol for the Clippers of becoming a destination franchise. Finally,
he is more meaningful than just what he is able
to do when he's out there on the court. It
tells everyone that they were finally able to land the
biggest free agent. Over a span of years, he was
the biggest free agent. You can make the argument, but
certainly the summer of twenty nineteen they were able to
get him. They're gonna treat him the right way, and
they're gonna show that this is a place you want
to come to and you can be a superstar, and
we're gonna take care of you and we're not going
to send you out the way it happened with Blake Griffin,
which ultimately led to them being able to get Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 1: So and they also did the same thing with Paul George,
Like they let Paul George like everyone knew it was
a horribly kept secret that he was going to go
to Philadelphia basically, but it was like, we're gonna let
you play this out. We're not gonna trade you in
a way that maybe irks you or something like that.
You're gonna go get your big deal. Like it's like
with the Tobias contract too, Remember when like there was
a whole thing where they were like, we're gonna offer
you this, you're gonna decline it, You're gonna get a
bigger contract later. Like then, of course they traded him
on his birthday or whatever. That was but a winner.
And they did trade Lou Williams the day after he
broke the record for the most points by six man.
But Tobias Harris and Lou Williams are not Kawhi Leonard,
no disrespect. I don't I don't think he's getting blaked.
I also La Clippers film justin w on Twitter brought
this up. If there was some kind of trade for
Kawhi Leonard that benefited the Clippers, there would have been
discussions like that, There would have been. I do think
that if the Clippers got some kind of like there's
this idea that the Clippers can just trade Kawhi for picks,
which I don't understand because the Clippers have kind of
proven that he you know, he's not He's not what
he was in terms of durability, like the return for Kawhi.
People would be pissed. People who want to trade Kawhi
if they saw the return that I, personally Chuck Mockler
think is out there for him, would be pissed, like
it would just not feel It'd be like what the hell, Like,
We're not getting a good young guy for Kawhi. We're
not getting multiple first round picks for Kawhi.
Speaker 2: You're not getting the CP three package, not Lou pat
Bev Tres. People don't know about Tres that time, but
Lou and Pat Bev were established. That's not happening now.
And for it to happen, Kawhi would have to have
an extended stretch of healthy play at a high level.
Speaker 1: And the Clippers now.
Speaker 2: But then the Clippers would somehow also have to not
be winning during this still losing and not looking like
a contender, and another contender comes over and says, we're
gonna take the risk because we think he can take
us over the top this year. Right now, we're going
for it, and we will give up a first or
two and a young player for him.
Speaker 1: Right That's what happens.
Speaker 2: And I think, why would have to sign off on it?
I think, yes, it would not be out of the
blue blind side like it was with Blake. Yeah, so
considering it would take all that, it's unlikely us.
Speaker 1: It seems unlikely. Stu Quinn, longtime listener, another one, another
person to add to the great name list here on
these questions. Daniel, you do have a perfectly fine name,
but these other names are blowing you out of the water.
Stu Quinn also famously, when Will and I were doing Lockdown,
would always bet on the Clippers season win total. We'd
always do the Stu Quinn update. Stu, if you're listening,
let us know if you put that bet down again,
and we'd love to track it. This is a question
for the real freaks out there. Am I crazy to
think that a mirror can run and stints at the four?
If Kawhi is out, he's about the same height as
Kawhi and Nico and fifteen to twenty pounds later. If
he hit the weight room this offseason, he could be
third string power forward. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy. Honestly, It's something I've been
thinking about a little bit. He played some power forward
last year.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 2: I think it's a possibility that we talked about the
starting lineup earlier, that a mere Coffee could end up
the starting four of Kawhi' is not there.
Speaker 1: He's done it.
Speaker 2: I really think that with how much he filled in
last year with Paul.
Speaker 1: George percent of his minutes last year we're at power forward.
Speaker 2: He's played it like he can do it, and he's
a really good defender. Like I have full belief in
that happening with a mere coffee, And even if it
happened opening night, I did not think that would be
crazy at all.
Speaker 1: This is a coffee pot offs, so we are a
pro amre coffee pod. I don't know anyone who's anti
amer coffee. But if you came in here looking for
something else, that's not the po this is not the
pod for you. Yes, I that.
Speaker 2: I think it's just I think it's a real possibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize it, like I didn't play is
a legitimate and it was eighteen percent the season before
his assistant could.
Speaker 2: He play power forward? Yeah, a night.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And we're gonna see also too, you know, like
it's a weird year for the Clippers. It's a it's
kind of a goofy year. We're going to see some shuffling.
We're gonna see I think we're going to see Tyler say, oh,
smaller team, this is the four, bigger team, here's the
new four or something, or the three or something like that.
Speaker 2: We're sure as hell going to see a mere coffee. Guys,
before you believe Jordan Miller should be getting the opportunity
to play the four.
Speaker 1: And we love Jordan Miller, but a mere coffee is
a proven NBA.
Speaker 2: Yes, you win. He's averaging after January. He averaged nineteen
points excuse me, nineteen minutes per game in January. I
know he's had a good January before that. Nineteen minutes
per game in January last year. Then it gets bumped
up to in February twenty five minutes a game. Then
it's at twenty two in marsh Then to end the
regular season. This is after Kawhi is out. He's at
thirty minutes per game the last eight games of the
regular season.
Speaker 1: He's got some more competition this year, but to your
thirty minutes per game, that's more than zero.
Speaker 2: I think, right, That's why I don't think it's crazy
at all. He could easily be the four. Yeah, and
that's good, don't I don't hate. I don't hate he
now emer definitely struggles with the boards. He's got to
be better there.
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, he knows. But again, he knows the system.
There's there's we're back to the time where there's like
few guys who know the system and just kind of
know what to do for their job on the Clippers,
and he's one of those guys.
Speaker 2: He's like great in the preseason, A mirror's ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like he's had some wonky preseasons. Remember
that uh summer League he fouled out and he had
that really brutal stretch of shooting. I think last year
over the preseason maybe.
Speaker 2: Or was it two years ago when he got buff.
Speaker 1: We got on the out of Oslyn, get shredded, shredded program.
Speaker 2: He was too too much bulk, too much mass.
Speaker 1: Hey, it could happen. I'm so happy that my doctor
didn't tell me I was too bulked up when I
had that physical I've never been told that by anybody.
Speaker 2: Mixing a salad choke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many eggs eating to day? Double digits or
what mm? Yeah, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: A mirror a solution for this team. Honestly, he is.
He's gonna get run if Coli is out.
Speaker 1: He's a plug and play. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now if he ends up Gating traded in the PJ.
Tucker move and the like, his deal is so good
though you want to hold on to it.
Speaker 1: What was it four milli year? Which I'm like that, Well.
Speaker 2: So he won't if they have any design on him
playing the four a bunch, which I think is real possibility.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of possibilities. We're talking about Kobe Brown
playing the five because of our current roster construction, which
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Speaker 2: One Welcome Back. In Clips and Dip episode eighteen of
season three, I'm at a Maslin. We got Chuck Mockler
here and some male bag madness and bridging the two segments.
There is a good question here. This comes from ex
Mango Project Long time. Will t Lou give Miller a
shot with the starters the same way he gave Coffee
when PG was out that eventually made him a rotation player. Uh?
Not before Coffee gets it.
Speaker 1: I think with the starters is the big caveat here. Yeah,
great question. I hope we see it. Maybe in the preseason,
Like the last game of the preseason, they're like, Jordan
Miller's starting, Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's not with the real starters. Then No,
it's not gonna be Kobe Browner starting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna be Harden, Norm Jordan Miller, Derek
Jones Junior and Zubos Probably not.
Speaker 2: Probably not. Uh. I'm not gonna say out of the
Roman possibility though, either only because my player to watch
Jordan Miller just killed it. Oh man, he is he
keepsh test him, challenge him. I want to see him
against first units. I do. He's beating up guys in
the Summer League, he's beating up guys in the G League,
He's beating up guys in the preseason. I think it's time.
Speaker 1: I love the challenge him part of it because I
think I think the TYLERU has challenged him and Kobe
Brown in these late game moments in the preseason, specifically
right like, hey, this is crunch time. We know it's preseason,
but like you're out here to close this out or
try and get us back into it.
Speaker 2: That s though on Tuesday night was way too easy
for Jordan Miller, way too easy that s he carved up.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Brooklyn was missing so many guys already, they had G
leaguers out there, summer league guys, nobody, Tall and Simmons.
I can't learn much from that. I can't. I want
to see Miller against the first unit.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I'm with that. I want to see it too,
because at this point, like he can make things happen.
And when you have a roster that the Clippers have,
which is not a bad roster, but you need guys
to make things happen.
Speaker 2: He's getting downhill, he's getting to the free throw line,
just like he was in summer league. He has this
little floater he's defending. He had a beautiful pass to
Kobe Brown for a dunk near the end of that
game where he read the four perfectly. But it was
also against a really bad Brooklyn team, maybe the worst
team in the league, playing players that are aren't even
gonna be good enough to play on the worst team
in the league by the time the ceregular season starts
with the guys that were playing in pre season. Yeah,
the same thing for Kai Jones. It's like, I'm happy
he progressed and looked much better in Game two, but
I can't draw too much out of it. I'm happy
for him, but I can't take too much out of it.
Speaker 1: I like that tie has been keeping Kobe and Jordan
Miller together in these big moments too, Like where it's like,
you guys, when you're playing the regular season, I have
a feeling that in the regular season when we see
Jordan Miller minutes, they're gonna be with Kobe Brown and
vice versa. They've been brought up together, you know what
I mean. Like that familiarity is gonna be huge and
if maybe it's Kobe Brown out the five, which I
have some questions defensively about that, but offensively I think
it is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just gotta take the ball and bring it
up the court and make some decisions and be more aggressive,
Like it's my board and I'm gonna bring it up
in the front court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a big guy. Kobe is a big guy. He
lost some weight, but he's still a very large human
being on an NBA court.
Speaker 2: I thought this summer I was telling you Ray, guys,
doesn't all looks like he lost weight. And it was
confirmed at media Daryl or.
Speaker 1: Whatever, like fifteen pounds or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was clear. It was significantly.
Speaker 1: They also said that he was at six percent body fat,
I think, which I just do not believe.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be shredded enough to look like.
Speaker 1: Isn't that like unhealthy? Like six percent feels like that's.
Speaker 2: Like Kauhi is probably he probably plays often around there.
He's Kawhi though, insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's like he had eight pack.
Speaker 2: That's probably six body Yeah, that's true, a little bit
boute more than that, but it's yeah, weet eight and ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Mc ran eighty had kind of a
two parter. So Tylo said he wants to get kai
Jones more time with James Harden and it beats to
zoo bots more time with the bench, specifically to give
the second unit another offensive option. Will this be the
key to unlock the zoo we've all been itching to see?
Thirty two plus minutes scoring should increase if he's consider
in a second unit scoring weapon. But could it hinder
his minutes if Kai Jones and James Harden click.
Speaker 2: Guys, kai Jones is pretty far from being an NBA
player at this point.
Speaker 1: He's not taking Zeo's minutes. I don't I don't think
he's taking.
Speaker 2: Not taking Bamba's if he's healthy. Like he said today,
not Lauras Frank, but coach Lou said, kai Jones is
the backup right now because Mobama's out. He didn't say
he's competing with Mobamba. You know what he's competing for
to make the team. He's not. He's not signed yet.
He doesn't have the two way got Have you seen
the footwork? Yes, he's an athlete. He can run. He uh,
he can jump out of the gym. He's still he
doesn't have post moves. It's awkward and it's gonna be
ineffective against NBA guys. Doing what he did against Brooklyn
is great. He needed to do that. He had to
do that. If he didn't do that against Brooklyn, there
would be major red flags and warning signs. And that
was still after a half Coach Lou having to talk
to him and being like, don't worry about making mistakes,
just go out there and play. Did you see the
first couple of possessions where he was missing like bunnies
and he realized post Gambag probably just dunk that, don't
That's where he's at, Like he doesn't even know his
own power yet, his own skill set yet. He's so raw.
He's played six hundred and thirteen minutes in the NBA.
Damn he is a raw athlete. He couldn't get minutes
on a bed Charlotte team. You have to understand what
you're looking at here. Anybody that thinks that a guy
can just run and jump is an NBA player. They
can all run and jump like hy is the supreme athlete.
But there are great athletes all over the floor in
the NBA yeah, he can't be Capella yet, he can't
be any of these guys yet. It's not not in
the NBA if he I'm telling you, if unless Mobama
is seriously hurt, he's not getting those minutes from Obama.
Speaker 1: And he's not taken, it's not I don't think Kai
Jones isn't gonna hinder zoo Bots minutes. I do like
this question because I think giving Zoo time with the
second unit does really help. Like offensively on the second unit,
off Zoo's the center. We're saying, you know, Norms the
one or something like that. Offensively outside of those two guys,
what are we looking at on the second unit when
you really need to go get a bucket? Nico can
hit the open three. Obviously you got Christy Dunn, who can?
You got KPJ. But like in terms of like Zoo
could feast on some second unit Zoo against the second
unit center, sign me up for all of those minutes.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's that's a big time advantage. I think
honestly against Brooklyn, they were trying not to feature Zobots,
not in a way where they were just freezing him out.
I mean they were trying to run stuff that wouldn't
be a given because it would have been so easy
to just spam spam zoobots in that game against Brooklyn
regular season, but nothing you've learned nothing from that? Yeah, Kai,
that is meaningful for him to be able to do
that pursue, No, like to take advantage of the smalls
that were out there with Brooklyn. It would be nothing
to eats the zoo bots. I know there were some
people that were concerned, like why are they playing through them?
More like I'm pretty sure they were trying not to,
Like just like it's preseason and Brooklyn had nobody to
challenge him. There's nothing you're gonna get out of that,
I think. No. I you mentioned guys who can create
and get a bucket like KPJ. Like he should be
in that second unit. He was really good Tuesday night,
like four of not nine points. I mentioned the steel.
Speaker 1: Against a really bad Brooklyn team, but yes, building it was.
Speaker 2: But like the shots he hit there was the defender
like right in front of his face, like it may
have been a ladder to him or something like that.
But he can hit high degree of difficulty shots. He can.
Coach Lee was talking about him today and saying, Justin
Russo asked a really cool question. Yeah, this was said
he uh, he asked him because of his heavy eyes.
So do you want to reel that in a little
bit now? And coach lu said, I am just getting
to know him and who he is as a player.
I want him to go out there right now do
what he's always done. Then I can see where his
limitations are where you know, I'm paraphrasing, but you know
he could get run into trouble and then make him
adjust or pull him back a little bit. But I
think they just wanted to be aggressive and just play
his style right now, and then they'll start chirming some
of the fat and seeing how they can get him
to be a more efficient player who's playing within the
offense more instead of just iso ball. And I'm gonna
get a tough bucket right now. That seems to be
where it is. But he is someone that everybody knows
can't get a tough bucket like this, is someone who
can score on good defense.
Speaker 1: Anthony Ludi asked just we're gonna put a nail on
the coffin on the Kai Jones questions. Do you think
kai Jones is locked up the last two way contract.
And I think because of the fact that Mobamba is
hurt that yeah, but great, uh.
Speaker 2: Al Donnis Williams was awesome the other night. But he
plays guard and the Clippers have so many of them.
Speaker 1: But they signed him right because they waved ray J.
Speaker 2: I thought they just like extended his Exhibit ten or whatever.
He's not Yeah, he's not on the Like he has
a chance to keep playing in the preseason and try
to get the two way.
Speaker 1: I think you are correct.
Speaker 2: That would be pretty big news if he was just
on the roster on the fifteen man rosters start the
season after one game.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see because Law had a tweet a
bad it okay, twenty one man roster. Yeah, he's a
E ten twenty.
Speaker 2: One man row. Yeah, and that's good. Like I don't
think he's gonna be able to make the team just
because the position he plays. But he was awesome, Like
he fueled. He was probably the best player maybe in
the second half because the Clippers are up eighteen and
they're down three at the half. Coach lew said he's
not going to do that second unit line shift.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, he was like blames himself.
Speaker 2: That I'm not doing a five man line shift next
game hockey style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Elijah Harkless who they added to the
ray J Dennis spot right.
Speaker 2: Williams was making all these hustle plays and had a
crazy tip in after getting too off offensive rebounds, and
then he hit a three and he threw I think
two lobs to Kai Jones. He was really controlling the
game in the second half at times, so credit to him.
But it's just a numbers game. He'll likely end up somewhere.
I just don't think it can be with the Clippers
because he's a guard.
Speaker 1: Another glut of guards is someone commented on our YouTube.
All right, we got a couple of fun questions. D
Mayley said if he could bring back one player that
has played with this team to win a ring, who
would it be? Basically one game away from winning the championship,
and the NBA randomly says he can bring someone back
into the team for the winning game, he would pick
excuse me, they would pick definitely Lou Williams. I would
maybe go Jamal Crawford. There's obvious answers, Blake CP three.
I'm not doing the obvious, like, there's very clear who
he would actually want. Jamal Crawford getting ring with the
Clips would be sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably like Lou Williams more, but I'm biased
because covered him.
Speaker 1: Great pick too, I mean, you can't you really can't
go wrong with some of the old beloved Clippies.
Speaker 2: Lose Game two against the Golden State Warriors and the
thirty one point comeback is so insane. I yeah, I
love sweet Lou Williams. I think it would have to
be him.
Speaker 1: What about Shay, I think he'll get his own. Yeah,
I think he'll get that figured out. Yeah, I mean
Lou will Yeah, Lou Lou is a really good pick.
Speaker 2: And again I love Pat Bev. Pat Bev he'd be
up there for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again obviously Blake's yeah, yeah, yeah. Those guys
too were doing melos. You know. I think he really
deserved a ring with Harris and he was here some
some Darius Minnuttes. Paul Pierce would actually be the funniest jo.
The Clippers signed Jerome Robinson to an E ten for
the final for games for Game four of the sweep,
obviously because it's a sweep for the Clippers to get
their first ring. Andrew la lousis I hope I pronounced
that somewhat correctly. Asked do I really need the Clippers
app to attend a game? Or can I go without that?
I'm old school. You need the app because they don't
print ticket, like.
Speaker 2: You need an app for any game now, I think.
So I went to two baseball I went to two
baseball games, one in Boston and one in Anaheim this year.
I'm pretty sure it had to be digital.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. And I wonder if this is like
I'm wondering if the question is more like do you
need the facial recognition stuff, because you don't. You can
opt out of the facial recognition stuff, but I think
you need an app for your tickets, which isn't that.
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty standardized now right.
Speaker 1: I understand the facial maybe not being down for the
facial recognition, but the tickets, it's like you, but you've
been to an event in the last two years, I
haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Pretty cool for the keepsake part of it to still
have a physical ticket, but I don't think many places
take that anymore.
Speaker 1: That would be a sick giveaway for the first game
into it like a replica.
Speaker 2: Old school with a player on it.
Speaker 1: Ticket. Yeah remember get like remember when you would see
like the season ticket packs and it would just be
like just like a mountain and take us with players.
That was some cool stuff.
Speaker 2: And then on the back they had their food sponsor.
So it'd be like a chick fil a.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, small right, yeah, two.
Speaker 2: Miss free throws fourth quarter. Keep this ticket, take it
to the chick fil A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Andrew, I think you need the app. I
I appreciate being old school. I am wearing the old
school Clippers logo, but I have a phone that has
an app for tickets.
Speaker 2: My situation worked pretty easily at the fans shop store,
at least the flagship store.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't do the thing. Yeah it was great,
got charged for twelve hats. But you cannopt out of
the facial stuff. You need a ticket, You need a
digital ticket. That's not I don't think that's asking too much.
Speaker 2: No, it's not like you can't put him any things
anymore without one.
Speaker 1: All right, coming up after this last break, we're just
we're talking a little bit Clippers versus Blazers on Friday.
What we want to see from a special shout out
to a former Clipper all that coming up. After a
quick audio break in three two what all right? We're back?
Clips and Dip Season three, episode eighteen, the Clippers take
on the Blazers Friday night, seven thirty Pacific. What do
we want to see other than fixing the turnovers with shames?
Harden acknowledged that practice today. Norm also dealing with some
kind of injury that was undisclosed but doesn't seem to
be super I packed full on.
Speaker 2: His people are speculating he's got the illness. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hate Yeah, I'm just like, I'm also like, hold
him out, just hold him out. We got a couple
more games.
Speaker 2: He's too vital and he's fine. Great. The first two
games he's good. He's a one shot, hot guy. He
doesn't need much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see Lom Murray brought up a
funny thing about the difference between standing kai Jones and
running kai Jones and how much better running kai Jones is.
And I want to see more running kai Jones because
he has to be. He is our backup five, which
I'm terrified about. He needs to be the best version
of himself.
Speaker 2: In the preseason for now.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but you know we don't know what's up
with Bamba. Like I hopes he can be ready. I
just want him to be good, like we need everyone
to be good this year. Yeah, I'm not saying it's
I'm not saying he's taken Zoo's minutes.
Speaker 2: If Kai's playing real minutes in NBA game, it could
be an adventure right now. It's just I agree. I
don't know how much basketball we watched, but I know
raw athlete who hasn't played much when I see one,
and you're right, if he runs the floor, that's where
he's at his most effective level because then you can
find him. He's beating his man down the floor. He
was a track star. He didn't start playing ball too.
Is fifteen. He can run like a gazelle. What's also
interesting is his cardio is special because of his background.
So it's not like as he is getting to minute
twenty in these first two preseason games, he's not slowing
down at all. It's not affecting him at all. So
there are some things in his favor and I want
him to get the two way and out of necessity.
It looks like it's going to happen. And if he
makes the lead from Game one to Game two to
Game two to Game three here in the preseason, Like,
what you don't know about young guys is how fast
they can progress and how quickly they can learn. And
if Kayle Jones is a really fast learner, well then
you can make fools of us all.
Speaker 1: And you moore games after this one.
Speaker 2: Right, turn into something special sooner than later for the
Clippers in the big leagues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to see hard, Yeah, it's really hard.
What else do you want to see anything from the
starters particularly? I mean we all want to see Jordan
Miller and Kobe Brown against not end of the bench rotations.
What else you put?
Speaker 2: Take care of the basketball in their transition defense kind
of plays into that because when they've had turnovers, that's
really their defense in the half court. I don't know
what the numbers are so far in the preseason, but
it's got to be damn good because Golden State was
pretty much only scoring on broken plays in transition the
first half. They were up by eighteen in the first
quarter on Brooklyn, who wasn't I don't think they scored
the first four minutes or something like that. It took forever.
I think Cam Thomas hit the first shot. Finally they
take care of the basketball, they get back on defense.
They can be very, very tough defensively, and also they
got a rebounds and as coach lu said, as you
mentioned earlier, it's not just about putting a body and
boxing out your man and checking him, but then you
got to get to the basketball to close out the possession.
So baby steps, they're getting closer to improving that area.
I don't know if they can be a top ten
rebounding team, but can they at least be somewhere between
average and a little bit before above above average? I
should say that would be big.
Speaker 1: Above average would be give me fourteen team jump in
the ranking. Another thing, and I'm harping on it. Three
point attempts. They had thirty last game, which was seven
fewer than the nets, and I'd like to see a
little higher than that.
Speaker 2: They stopped turning over twenty times, they might be able
to how many offensive possessions every game right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's the other thing. That's like la Murray
treated this out where he was like I might be
the only person who cares about this, and it was
like it was like field goal just like just scrapping
season stuff and like twos and threes, and it's like
that is what is important for the Clippers team. You
can't lose the field goal attempt battle by an entire quarter.
Wasn't it Game one? We gave him an extra like
twenty two field goal attempts or something like that compared
to what the Clippers had. If you're only putting up
eighty and they're putting up nineties or whatever, like, the
math just doesn't work at some point to catch up
to a team like that.
Speaker 2: They did take ten threes. They were six of ten
from three in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Right now, Okay, it did tail off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got up big and the young guys did
kind of feast on just getting to the paint. Kayle
Jones had six dunks. So that's gonna affect not taking
many threes. But it's that easy against that small Brooklyn team.
But still better process would be seeing them get up
more three pointers tomorrow night against Portland. That'd be good.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. I may or may not be
at the game. Put in a creditial request, haven't heard
back as of six thirty one pm on Thursday. The
game in Seattle yeah, and then.
Speaker 2: In Seattle night, you're going to that game?
Speaker 1: I might? My dad lives over there.
Speaker 2: Oh where are you?
Speaker 1: We got to give a shout out to a former
Clippers coach who got named the head coach of a
brand new franchise. Shoutout coach Natalie head coach of the Valkyries.
That is so sick instrumental in Terrence Man development. He
was super hyped. I love to see it.
Speaker 2: His reaction was awesome because he did not know. It
was like, I can't wait to call her.
Speaker 1: Yes, genuine, just so excited, happy, very But also it
would be so cool to be the head coach of
like the first year of a franchise. Yeah, talk about
blank canvas, putting in what like you want to operate?
That's going to be sick. Creating history how when they
play the Sparks? Sure, yeah, creating history also l ol. Eric.
We did a great drawing for that too, So go
check out l O L WTF Eric on Instagram and Twitter.
I don't want to spoil it for those watching. You
have to go check it out and give them the
engagement stats. But it'll be good. Anything else we want
to talk about before we get out of here.
Speaker 2: Uh Kawhi oh more of the same at this point
with less than two weeks still opening a night him
not practicing still, it depends on when they talk about
checking the box and taking steps. How how many steps
is it between not practicing and playing in game one?
I don't know. I would assume there's gonna be some
live five on five, some contact in there before that.
And he mentioned there's always a build up, especially in
his situation when OM asked him about playing in a
preseason game before playing in a regular season game. So,
if you could play in a preseason game first, I
think that would be very encouraging. But it doesn't look
like he's close enough to that yet. And preseason ends
next Thursday. I think that's the last game. So I
don't know if he can make that much progress within
a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's Blazers tomorrow, MAVs on Monday, Kings on Thursday. Yeah,
I don't And again, there wasn't any new news. Don't
let the aggregators fool you into believing that there's some
new update that Kawhi hasn't been doing five on five.
That's been the case the entire I was saying, it's
good but just don't let the aggregators rale you up
from the stuff today because they were acting it was
new news.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's I don't know. If it's new,
it would obviously be bigger news.
Speaker 1: If he was practicing, Oh, we would have gone live.
Speaker 2: But I had a quote from coach lou Tuesday night
that I didn't see make the rounds with him talking
about holding him back to the point where you know,
if it pisses him off, so be it. And it's
really I think I think that that plays into my
theory of they are being so so overly cautious right
now in hearing what Kawhi said at media day was
saying things were great before and after Team USA, and
then they want him to take a step back. So
I don't think it was a setback leading to him
taking a step back. I think it was Kawhi said
he was when the usual stuff he does during the summer.
That's what Omam asked him. And maybe the Clippers are like, Okay,
let's just let's just be overly cautious and let's let's
put put the reins on him a little bit. Uh,
he's going too far, too fast, and you got to
protect the player for himself.
Speaker 1: And it seems like they at least are all on
the same page with that, because remember, you know there
was obviously there was that Memphis game where like TYLERU
and Kawhi had no idea he was gonna be taken
out at half and stuff like that. So it seems
like at least everyone on the management side seems to
be on the same page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in lockstep.
Speaker 1: And they don't seem wrong, right, Like if the Clippers
have no reason to lose games this year because of
the draft picks lack of draft.
Speaker 2: Picks, well they they need to stay in front of Houston.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so they need to win, like, they gotta win games,
and if you need Kawhi to win those games. This
team is gonna be when James, Kawhi Leonard are not
on the floor, not sharing the floor, when one of
them is off the floor, this team is going to
be a roller coaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still I still expect some miraculous wins like
we've seen all the years when they're down and out.
Speaker 1: You know, I love I thrive when the Clippers are
like this. This is to me the most fun kind
of team.
Speaker 2: You remember when they beat Brooklyn with KD and I
think Martin played or Kyrie and they had Wendy and
Gabriel before he went.
Speaker 1: To the Lakers went off like.
Speaker 2: They've had some of these scrappy victories. This is this
is a hallmark of Clippers basketball the last five or
six years.
Speaker 1: But it's going to be an interesting year.
Speaker 2: What it's going to be, it is, it is.
Speaker 1: It's going to be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The predictions all are all over the place for
good reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it it is our year. I think that
is one thing that people keep forgetting.
Speaker 2: If there's one way over here, and then you'll get
someone else that they're gonna win thirty games over here.
Speaker 1: I'll oscillate between those two, those two point of views,
probably before the next episode we do. Speaking of next episodes,
gonna be doing a live hang on Friday after the
game over on YouTube dot com slash at Clippers Podcast.
If you want to subscribe, you can get alerted immediately
when we go live, which will be cool. We're gonna
be back next week to preview some of the final
preseason games and just wrap everything up for y'all. Yeah, Adam,
are you doing anything before the season Just kind of
do a bit of a release before, like a mental
release before the grind of the regular season starts. Other
than your treadmill marathons.
Speaker 2: It ate that deep. No, I'm good. I'm ready to
start now. Sure, I've start patting every day.
Speaker 1: I mean, aren't you already doing that?
Speaker 2: I know you think right? Pretty close? He's doing one
more day a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be. I'm going to a music festival
Las Vegas next weekend, not this weekend, next weekend.
Speaker 2: Is that when we were young music festival?
Speaker 1: Yes? So William just to break it down, Uh, it's
me William and then our two other close buddies, William
and our other friend love like who's William? Will excuse me?
Love that like because.
Speaker 2: He's back from Europe now we call.
Speaker 1: It now he's well he's in Japan, which is not great.
But but they like two of two, like will and
our other buddy like love all that music and you know,
like all that stuff, I believe it or not. Not
wasn't against it. Not my kind of music, same with
other buddies. So we are just along for the ride.
I ordered on Amazon yesterday. You know, ibuprofen and it's
liquid Ivy full On Festival Dad stuff. So we're going
to that on the nineteenth, and then we get back
that Monday, so we're gonna we're doing It's gonna be
an eventful week for us.
Speaker 2: And then Wednesday, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I'm often Montana on the twenty seventh, So
pactic start of the season. But I'm excited. I know
the Clippers are going to play completely normal basketball and
not give me anything to worry about outside of the
other things I have to worry about. Yeah, And if
you're listening, you're going to when we were young and
you see us. Don't talk to me about the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Dude, what do you think? Six seed?
Speaker 1: Dude? Do you think we could maybe get four?
Speaker 2: Is going to be midway through the year.
Speaker 1: If someone at if someone at this music fest asked
me if kay Jones is going to be starting, I
will waste I don't know, I'll waste the twelve dollars
fries I bought and throw them at him or something
like that. Bro.
Speaker 2: I heard Adam say KPJ is going to be the
starting lineup at some point at it could be some
point next year, but.
Speaker 1: I'll say, here's his number. You can talk about him.
You can talk about it right now, all right, Adam,
we need one positive thing to send these folks out
on before most of us get stressed out about the
Dodgers tomorrow and then unwind with a very chill Clippers
preseason game.
Speaker 2: One positive thing. We'll both be live streaming after the game.
Speaker 1: You come on our show. You can come on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm doing the radio at the same time. How do
I do that during the break?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: I have done that in the past for like a minute.
Speaker 1: People love it.
Speaker 2: Sure I'll do that. Let's see. I don't know. We
didn't get any worse news with Kawhi Leonard today and
we got Kay Jones getting bigger opportunity to all right,
I'm excited for that and s in Seattle, and I'm
always excited for Seattle basketball, and Jamal will probably be there,
maybe Dentless Shrimp and the guys. It'll be fun to
reminisce about the SuperSonics who never should have been taken away.
Speaker 1: I told my dad he should go to the game,
and he said, why would I do that?
Speaker 2: S GA should be a supersonic.
Speaker 1: Okay, now save it for the after dark stream or
whatever you're doing. Later. That's a day. That's a daily
podcast subject that's not that's not a three times a
week podcast.
Speaker 2: Not complaining that he's gone from the Clippers, but complaining
that he's not a supersonic an. If I do things
that is.
Speaker 1: A level of I'm into the Yeah. No, keep keep
pulling the thread on that one. If you want to
destroy this letter, you know, pull the thread. All right,
We will be back one of us, hopefully two of
us will make an appearance on the live stream tomorrow
after the game at YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast. Uh,
I have no idea when Will is back. We should
have the full crew next week for some more pods
and all that good stuff. Thank you everyone who sent
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