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while and I'm you know who's here, Charles Bidel, Jose
Nino Dark Enlightenment, Dark dark Alightenment wants to wanted to
talk about startup, talking about Venezuela. So I'll let him
take the floor and run with it. Well, I don't
have much to say other than like, and obviously Jose
would know way more than I do. But uh, you
have the United States effectively like preparing for war and
sabotaging in Russian infrastructure, and uh, Israeli is something admittedly
like on war online and with seven other people around them,
and the omni belligerence of the current regime, of the
Nuremberg regime is a really bad sign. Like that's it's
a you know, people who voted for Trump wanted peace,
retired of these forever wars, and now we've got like
what ten wars going. You know, there Israeli war with
the m of the Israeli war with I ran, the
Israeli were with the Lebanon. These rarely were with you know,
what was left to Syria. And it's just it it's
a very very bad sign. You look at historical examples
and when you know Jack Amman empires start generally starting
all these small brushware wars. It's usually a very bad
sign of instability and bad things. So that's this is
not this is not a strong regime like imposing as well.
It's it's flailing and retarded. That was my My main
concern is that we have this to say, what do
you have, Jose, what do you got on Venezuela.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with these assessment that the US is
just flailing around in a retarded and desperate manner. And
what we're seeing here is that the US is trying
to look for any type of w it can get
on the world stage after just pouring billions into the
failed Ukraine project and also pouring up another like thirty
plus billions and the Israel Gaza conflict as well, which
hasn't even produced like a definitive conclusion.
Speaker 1: I mean, the.
Speaker 2: Ceasefire, it's temporary at best, and it doesn't resolve the
main issue of the parasitic nature of the US's relationship
with Israel and the Venezuela thing. I think it's been
a it's the next stage of an ongoing process where
I've argued that Venezuela, regardless of what you what people
think of the nature of the regime. It has consistently
been in the Chavez era the most anti Zionist country
in South America, and it's also increasingly gravitated towards China,
which has angered the neo conservative set in DC beyond
belief and they want to find a way to stick
it to the anti Zionist pro Eurasian axis. And Venezuela
is the next is the is the next ripe target
because it is a relatively unstable regime that's marked a
lot of corruption, massive influx of migrants and whatnot. And
it's almost perfect in a way because if they turned
Venezuela into the next Libya, the House wins regardless of
what happens to Venezuela, whether they get a regime, a
successful regime change operation and put that bobblehead Maria Karina
Machado in charge, or this turned into a Libya and
it just turns into a drug cartel run state because
again a ton of migrants, which is perfect for the
Florida Republican Party, who wants to turn the Florida and
the Sun Belt into one big Latin American Latin Fundia
with all the migrants coming in. And this is like
the perfect project for it. And also, let's face it
as well, because of the fact that Venezuela going off
on the anti Zionis has strengthened ties with countries like
Iran and even assad Syria before regime changed there, it
has become a betanor for the Jewish neo conservative set
in DC. They want to make an example of it,
and they win in many respects regardless of the outcome.
Because a destabilized Venezuela can provide a lot of migrants,
it also deprives China and other gear competitors of the
US of an asset that could use to poke the
US in the face with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole thing it's about. It's almost like a
mirror of the all the interests that are fighting to
control the Trump White House. I mean, we know who,
what interest has, what interest group has controlled it the
most so far. And but yeah, you see the Zionus
lobby in there. You see the China hawks, and there
the tech guys. The oil lobby for sure. I think
the Venezuelan oil is basically sludge. It's probably the dirtiest
oil on the planet. There's huge reserves, but I think
three there's only like three or four refineries in the world.
Don't quote me on that. And if I'm wrong on that,
somebody correct me. And like three of them are here,
and two of them are in Texas, and I think
they're both owned by Charles Koch. But the yeah, the
it just seems like Venezuela is the next playground, the
next place to be, Like, Okay, if we can just
get Maduro, this bus driver out of out of power,
we can carve this up and divvy it up however
much however we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the context is really is key here
because the US also is in massive amounts of debt. Two,
so having access to these resources is very key. And
that's one thing too. There's a kind of retro futuristic
reversion to almost like nineteenth century resource grab geopolitics. And
I've argued this as well, that you're going to see
a revival of like the North American Union type project
is especially with regards to Canada.
Speaker 1: Some people regard Trump's.
Speaker 2: Canada comments as like bluster, but when you look at
like the Canadian prairie areas, there's tons of oil reserves
there as well. And I think this is a way
to breathe extra life into the dying pan Judah by
engaging in these type of projects that either involve like
outright annexation or at least regime change that facilitates the
influx of resources.
Speaker 1: Anybody else got anything on that, Well, just that Tosees
went about China right being cooperative, this kind of chessboard,
you know, China just just tight exports on rare earth minerals, right,
which is to say, everything that goes into your cell phone,
consumer electronics, I forget how much of it's in computers,
but also a lot of military stuff. All this, all
these high tech missiles require rare earth minerals. So and
we don't have any, uh really not much in North America.
I mean they're they're available, but they're in the ground
and they take years and years to develop. And they
didn't develop them here partly because it was dirty, but
also because the kind of guys who work in minds
and I've worked on mines before, Uh, they're they're they're white,
they're working class, they drive big trucks, they like guns, uh,
and they vote for Trump. So like there was a
there was a deliberate effort by the Abama administration to
like politically disempower the kind of guys that work in
minds and energy and so there's this whole problem of
like you're on this hornets of a dilemma, Like if
we're just if it's just resources, we're just going to
after resources, right, then why are we we rate wasting
resources like feeding all these foreigners? You know, if it's
pure resource competition, then why is the United States like right?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Or if ideology is the thing that matters, why are
we wasting time with Basically the contradiction, the self contradictions
of the Zionist regime have kind of come home to
roosting there untenable. Well, sure, you know, the easiest way
to get resources from another country is to be friendly
with them. I mean this isn't hard stuff, you know.
I Mean we look around the world and we see that,
especially since World War Two, there are some regimes that
we can be friendly with, we can trade openly with.
I mean, we can even hand over our national security,
you know, our national security interest to them. China, where
I mean they make stuff that if they stopped making it,
we the country would grind to a halt. But there
are certain regimes that you're just not allowed to do
that with. And you know, the perfect example too is Russia.
You know, they want those Ukrainian those Ukrainian minerals, and well,
we're not going to because Ukraine is a basically it's
a Zionist project, and Russia isn't going to allow there,
you know, us to take over the parts that have
those minerals. You have to start a war with Russia,
and it's you know, it's a proxy war. Our guys
aren't dying there that I know of, But I mean,
this is just when you're dealing with people. When you
see that you have a people who they go to
a country, they displace the people who are there, they
keep a bunch of them hostage so that they can
abuse them. And then whenever they fight back, they have
an excuse and they go go, oh god, look what
we did. We've tried so hard with these people, but
they just want to kill us. So you have an
excuse to You always have an excuse, and people are
always feeling bad for you because you're under eternal attack
from your neighbor that should just love you. You also
get to test all of your weapons systems and your
surveillance systems on them that you sell to other countries.
So basically you have a you just have a a
laboratory to test all these things and a people to
test them on. Well, why and if that, if if
those people, if a lot of those people are, if
that ideology has basically taken over your country, why wouldn't
you treat you know, Venezuela like that, because you know
they're they're not in line with uh, you know, they're
probably not in line with the project that we're trying
to build. And Russia is not in line with the
project that we're trying to build. And North Korea and
Cuba and you know, all these states basically turn into
hell holes where the leader the leaders are just trying
not to get killed, trying to survive. And they I'm
not saying that's a good thing, because they're basically at
the expense of their of their people that they're supposed
to have some concept of No Blessed believes over. I mean,
it's all we've basically become Israel. We our foreign policy
is run like Israel. Our domestic policy is run by Israel.
If somebody, if somebody is speaking at against a regime,
do whatever you want to them. Yeah, I mean, so
fut them in the neck. I mean that happened, Yeah,
I mean, you know that's and I don't know what
to make that the whole texts and stuff, but quite
clearly right the regime at a paramenium, you can say
Charlie Kirk was running cover for the regime because he
was getting blown out in arguments from people making naturalist
talking points because like it just doesn't work, right, gen Z,
They're never going to be able to buy a house,
so you can't. The open borders thing doesn't work. So
you know, Israel gets like a fascist at their day
with a wall, and you know, we can't have border
control in our country, we can't have domestic industry in
our country. You know, Israel, it's everything. And you know
on the left right, you know, you've talked about it extensively,
Pete right, that the whole people without a land for land,
without a pep or you know whatever that phrase. You know,
there were civilized like villages and towns and cities there
all over the place, and the same Jews it would say, oh,
well we have to come here and civilize the place.
When white people came to Australia, or Southern Africa or
New Zealand or North America where the Americas and found
like you know, stone age cannibals like murdering each other,
like oh you your your presence is illegitimate, right, But
these Jews going back to this place that already had
people that's sacred. So I mean there's just no, there's
no the contradictions cannot hold anymore. Would be my like,
why isn't Venezuela pross so well? The United States is
you know, screwed with it for what thirty years? I say,
I mean what percentage of Venezuela's middle classes in the
United States? Now? I mean yeah, I mean there's like
you had a certain neighborhoods in Houston, man, and like
it's there's a bunch of Iberian guys from Venezuela. That's
that's you know, that's who's there because they've been driven
out by American policy.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a massive brain drains one. It's one of
the main reasons why it's actually ironic too, because I
I tell people that if you actually wanted to see
a change in like the government in Venezuela, all the
people that are capable of potentially doing that. They're either
like in the United States, Panama, Colombia, or like Spain
or and to a western extent, Italy, they're all gone.
And yeah, it's just gonna only like further intrench it.
And honestly, if this a whole regime changed, thing gets bungled,
they're just gonna guarantee show Maduro and Chavismo being there
for life. That's just the cold heart truth of the matter.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I guess jumping into this is a
great place to jump into what I wanted to you know,
ask and question I had is have we all bought
into tikanolam when we say, oh, you know, the people
who are still want to keep this regime like going,
who aren't who don't want to see it destroyed? You know,
this managerial regime which basically allows small type knit groups
that are well funded and well and have a lot
of influence to keep going and to take to take
over and to impose what they want to impose upon them.
And if we're like, you know, promoting the Monroe doctrine
now that well, you know, we just have to you know,
we have to take care of our our section of
the world right now, I mean, is that just teaking
all them on just a and your area of the world?
Or we what are we doing? I mean, how you know,
why are we healing the world instead of like healing
ourselves and our people? How is like trying to perpetuate
this regime? And you know, I mean I can understand
getting your friends elected so that they can run cover
for you, but you know, I know people who are like,
you know, oh, we need to run you know, we
need to take over the whole government so we can No,
that's not That's not how this works. It's like, if
you haven't figured it out, it's grew up to the core.
There's really nothing you can do about it. So I'm
like looking at it, and I'm like, well, I mean,
if you or if you're looking for anything other than
like regionalism and localism and federalism and nullification and things
like that, how is that any different than tikanola? Did
I break everyone's brain? Or did I sound retarded? God, Charles,
I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think. Okay, if let me, let's make sure
we're on the same page here. As far as I
understand it, Tikam is the Jews Jewish idea of spreading
light to the world that their particular light and illuminating
everybody else. Am I incorrect or correct roughly on that?
Obviously I'm trying to boil down a major concept into
something minor. Is that correct? I think correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they need to remake the world in their image.
How they see that. They how they see the world
would prosper best for the for for quote unquote the world,
but really for themselves.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, well, I don't I don't necess saraily what
I think is happening here, and I'll try and take
a moment and step back, take a deep breath, and
move forward from there. What I see happening is what
I have seen happen for the at least since since
the end of the Second World War. What the what
the regime has done, or what our occupying government have done,
is take American values from colonial times and put their
spin on them. And the horror of it is because
our founding fathers were more daist, and one could argue
even gnostic in a way, considering Benjamin Franklin was part
of the hell Fire Club and a lot of other
a lot of others had intriguing ideas of an occult nature.
What the Jews did was they managed to spot a
couple of the similarities, and they do what they always do,
which is twist things just enough in their direction. And then,
as anybody knows who's gone boating or sailing or anything
like that, you'll notice that if you just move the
rudder a couple degrees after a long enough trip, you
are nowhere near where you wanted to be. You only
have to alter your course ever so slightly, and you
are nowhere near where you wanted to be. So to
try and tie things up, as I often wont to do,
I would say that it's not so much that we
started out trying to be that way. I don't think
we ever really did. We're not trying to change the
world to our view, or Americans weren't. Because if you
look historically, I believe jose and d will back me up.
And I'm sure you already know this from your conversations
with Thomas seven seven seven and your own research. America
has always been very isolationist. If you actually look like,
most people didn't want to be in the First World War,
most people didn't want to be in the Second World War.
I still remember I believe I've quoted on this program
many times. My grandfather on my father's side said to
his children, my dad and his brothers and sisters, why
are we fighting Germany? They didn't bomb us. Americans have largely,
by and large been isolationist. I think what we have
done is we have tried to carve out a peace
of the world and make it our own. And I
don't think that's the same as Tea coom along. We're not.
We aren't necessarily trying to Americans. And we could say
the Spanish did this when they tried to spread Catholicism,
But again, I don't know that that's quite the same thing.
But let's just stick on topic with Americans. I think
it's more we have been trying. We have been self
exiles that have tried to carve out their own little world,
their own way of doing things, and once we get there,
we're really not concerned about everybody else. I mean, I'll
speak for myself. Out here in Oklahoma, the prevailing attitude
is my neighbor can do what he wants as long
as he keeps his radio down, as long as he
keeps his animals off my property. I really don't care
what he does. So I'm not I don't really see
us as spreading it cultural. I mean, as far as
heritage Americans go, I don't see that taint really in there.
But what I do see is the constant exposure to
that influence, a judaic influence among the upper echelons that
has just bled through, oftentimes literally into our ruling elite.
Because it again, it does what I said it did earlier.
It takes what we have already and what we are already,
and it twists it, and it turns it, and it
perverts it and quite literally in more than a few ways.
And then it amplifies it. So it takes these art if,
it takes our quote unquote elite, our quote unquote experts,
and it and it just huffs them up, It pumps
them up. It takes our already feminists turned country, which
again we know who is behind feminism, but again people
already puffed up on those things. And then further and see,
you're smart, you're powerful, you're a boss. So you need
to tell everybody else how to live. And that just
joins hand in hand with our boss girl society like okay,
well you know what you know better than everybody else,
And again you're talking, I'm kind of trying to bring
a lot of threads together here. You're also bringing that
spiritual femininity into it, where everybody else is a child
and you're scolding them, and you know better. You have
to you have to lead the way, you have to
nurture them. They couldn't make it on their own. So
to bring it all back to the main question that
you ask, I don't think it's so much that Americans
are practicing te Tom Mulham, although I would agree with
you in a larger sense that most people now are,
whether they realize it or not, slowly becoming spiritually ju judaic.
But I think it's more that they have slowly bled
through with their influence, and that they have taken a
lot of our original ideas from dating back from the
foundation this country and slightly after and just twisted them
and perverted them and just turned us all off a
few degrees, of course, a few degrees, and now we've
gotten where we ended up. I mean, I still remember,
and I'll drop I'll give somebody else on the floor
here in a moment, I still recall getting into an
argument on Twitter which I very very rarely do I
find it to be complete waste of time for me
personally with somebody of a libertarian bent is almost ten
years ago now talking about how, oh, the government should
be allowed to take your money through an inheritance tax
you didn't earn it, and I just had to point
out to him. I was like, you understand, that's literally
a communist plank, Right's and I sent him a link
to Marxist Marxist dot org is like, that's literally a
communist plank to get rid of inheritance tax. And it
was probably one of the only really solid argument engagements
I ever had, because he actually read it and wrote
backs like, wow, I really need to rethink my position.
I said, I'm glad you did have a good day,
and that proves my point in one Well, it's circumstantial
levitis on what I'm saying is that a lot of
our ideas of doing our thing, you know, being independent,
taking our hands or destiny in our hands, is easily
twisted to we have to fix the rest of the
world because we know better than you. So that's what
I have to say on that topic.
Speaker 2: There's some nuggets of truth that Charles dropped there that
I agree with regards to the prevailing non interventionist isolationists
tendencies in the US. I mean, you can find selective
and cherry pick quotes from the founding generation and even
figures from the early days of the American Republic that
could suggest a latent tendency among American political elites that
would gravitate towards like philo Semitism and even like universalism.
But the American Republic, at least until World War Two,
still had the counter elite, if you will, that had
very restrained tendencies. For example, you can just look at
it this way, like after the Mexican American War, there
were countless people that wanted full blown annexations of Mexico
and even parts of Latin America, but you had leaders
like John Calhoun who said, like, no, we we shouldn't
be annexing these countries because they they're just racially alien.
They're gonna sully the racial stock of the US. And
even look at reconstruction after the Civil War, the failed
nation building project that was attempted to be imposed on
the South. It generally speaking failed there, and I think
that points to a very strong tendency of non interventionism
among the American public. But I think it changes obviously
in the twentieth century with the influx of Jews and
this new elite of Jews that insinuated themselves in the media, academia,
and the governing structures, and from that point forward you
see policy moving a dramatically anti European direction in the
United States.
Speaker 1: I think that everyone's made good points. I would just
add that right this this obsession with the neo kind,
obsession with like going and make every everywhere like Peoria, right,
like oh, with democracy and all this other stuff. I mean,
it's obviously was like self interested nonsense, that they were
just lying, or that they're hopelessly stupid, or possibly both,
like in the case of John Perarts. But one thing
that is clear is this whole idea that we can
go and make everywhere like white and Northwestern European and
Christian is it's non tenable. It's just it's crazy. And
tikom Olom right is like we're going to turn everyone
into like a willing servant of the Jews, basically, And
Dennis Pregger talked about it recently, and I only bring
him out because I know you I've discussed in the past.
Pete like the fact that Jews have led secularization is
like like a sin that we're gonna he says, that
they're all going to answer for It's like, well, thanks
to you, right, Like, thanks to your secularization, I'm going
to be like on the left as I die, Like
like gen Z men are going to be like, you know,
secular and very very very racist, very very sexist because
they have no choice but to be, but to be
or die. Right, And this whole tickham olam thing is
when you you know, come down to it, it's just
their excuse for them undermining and destroying societies that might
pose a threat to them. And the difference between say,
what what you're trying to do with like the Old
Glory Club isn't like, hey, old Glory Club is going
to invade Venezuela or like we're not gonna like there's
not gonna be like an Old Glory Club filibuster to
like retake Cuba or something, uh, because they're too busy
like making wherever they are worthwhile and you know, maybe
in one hundred years or something, you know whatever, but
right right now, what we're trying to do is like
tender own knitting and we're not and we're being told no,
you can't, yep, And that's because we have have to
go save other people. Like well, wait, like I have
to pay taxes, like one hundred billion dollars. I didn't
like a hundred billion dollars went to like medical care
for illegals or something. Just just came out, right, people
people that are here in the country illegally, and members
of gangs MS thirteen Shrindu rag like they kill people
both like the murder people and they kill people by
by dealing you know, fentanyl boys and drugs, which all
comes from China. Right. Oh, if we enforce the law
against people who like with face tattoos and murder people
and worship Satan, like, then we can't do that. Like
what are you crazy? That's nuts, that's that's like you
literally can't have a country, You can't have a civilization
when when there are you know, mouthy women like trying
to block police in the street because because like somehow
the life of of like face tattoo guy is more
important than like the kid down the street.
Speaker 3: And I want to take one of your points, d
because you you exactly sum up what I was trying
to say, when you bring up the Old Glory Club,
I think that's a perfect example. Like I was honored
to be contacted by a the local branch here in Oklahoma,
and it was very kind of them to reach out
to me. But I think therein lies the crucial point,
Like they don't just they're not putting TikTok videos out
for you. They're not trying to get your kids to join,
Like that's that's what t com olam is. Hey trans yourself. Hey,
you know follow Black Lives Matter? Hey do all this?
Do what I'm doing, I'm telling you to do it. No,
they scow people out. They try and find people that
already agree with them, that already live like them, or
that want to, and then they give them that opportunity.
They're not going into neighborhoods and handing out you know,
heroin needles and condoms and stuff. Hey live my degenerate lifestyle.
I think therein lies the key difference, and they're in
lies the proof is in the putting, as they say,
of my point, and that the Old Glory Club more
or less to my experience, my very limited experience, am
I claiming I'm any kind of expert on them whatsoever.
I'm just saying, to my experience, they have been very
close knit. Although they have been very welcoming, they are
not prostlytizing in any type of sense that even vaguely
mirrors the regime. The regime is doing everything to get
you to live like they want you to live, to
get you to like the things they like and dislike
the things they don't. Whereas organizations like the Old Glory Club,
I presume they've reached out and contacted me because they said, Hey,
while this guy may not agree with everything we say,
when we don't agree with everything he says, we're largely
on the same page. We might want to talk to
this guy, we might want to consider him for membership.
And again I was honored to be that way. But
it wasn't like they just plastered themselves on every house
on my block. So therein, I think, lies the key
just the key difference is that our guys are generally
not proselytizers. What they are is noticers. What they are
is guys that point out, hey, I see X.
Speaker 1: Do you see X?
Speaker 3: Now? Whether X is per capita or whether X is
who gets all of our foreign aid or who is
starting feminism, etc. Etc. Etc. We can pick any topic
you want, but they aren't necessarily saying, hey, come join
my club, hey subscribe to my newsletter. Not necessarily, not
in any grand scheme. However, TikTok is rife with things
like trans black lives matter not so much anymore, I understand,
but gay pride also stuff. So that's where I would
put it, without believe bringing the point any further. One
is far more prostolytizer and the other is far more
a self exile trying to survive.
Speaker 1: So the regime, for lack of a better term, wants
Maine and California and Florida and Washington to all look
the same. And the oldgoric of guys like why should
Maine and Florida be the same. That's insane, right, The
regime brings Somalis into Maine and everyone in the world
into southern Florida, and then you know, like, why doesn't
everywhere in the world look like Southern Florida's Well, I
don't know, because Southern Florida is like where everyone with
money in the Caribbean goes. I mean, right, they're going
to be these places that are interposed type the first places.
But according to the regime, like it's not acceptable that
like rural Kansas be white. They're have to like, well,
you know, there need to be Chinese people and black
people and Hispanic people and Micronesians and Filipinos and Eskimos
in Kansas. Otherwise the people in Kansas haven't had their
life improved enough.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, yeah, exactly, that's that's exactly it. It's like
because they are bringing their light, and the irony is
it's not a candle, it's a flame thrower. And the
irony is they're not bringing light to anything. They're burning
everything down. That's the bitter irony of it. Now, maybe
they're doing that intentionally, or maybe it's just the way
they are because of psychopathy, but they are what they are.
That's the bitter irony to me is as you point out,
d Like, they're not bringing light, they're burning everything to
the ground. And that's what drives me mad. And just
one last point on my I don't think heritage Americans
and rank and file Americans are in on the t
com Olum thing. And I'll say this, I can't use
his name, but I have a buddy that has spent
his lifetime in the military, and he's now a pretty
reasonably high up guy of the DoD And he says,
back in his day, when he was in boot camp
and going through all the army and all this stuff,
and he used to say that they're saying was whatever
they were picking a fight with yet another country, Say
we're going to freedom the shit out of them, and
they'd all laugh together. It's because they knew, you know,
whether they knew consciously or subconsciously, they knew what the
score was. They weren't bringing light to anything, They weren't
giving anybody the American way of life. They were bombing
the shit out of him and taking their stuff, and
they knew it, and they didn't want to do it.
But I mean, that's they signed up. That's that's part
of the horror of what they got told to do.
But yeah, that phrase has always stayed with me, and
I think it's very apt in this conversation. Yeah, we're
going to freedom the shit out of them. So I'll stop,
so I don't belabor it any further.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just the point that I was trying
to make is that the regime in charge has a
goal and when it comes to foreign policy, their goal
has a tendency to look a whole lot like tikon Olam.
And when you look at this regime and when you
look at the government, when you look at managerialism in general,
I mean, it's had one hundred years to cement itself.
There's only one way to basically stop being a manager
or regime at this point, and it's not by dismantling
it a little bit here and a little bit there.
It needs to be completely destroyed, and it needs to
be destroyed by a strong man. And I think that there.
You know, I say this all the time. I think
in our future there is right wing or left wing authoritarianism.
And even with left wing authoritarianism, the left wing authoritarian
who would come would think that the managerial in my opinion,
would think that the managerial regime is holding them back
from what they want to accomplish. So either way, I
think it's going to be destroyed. You know, it's just
a matter of now if it's going to be left
or right wing authoritarianism. I listen to people who say
it's definitely going to be come from the left, and
I hear people who say it's definitely going to come
from the right. I don't know which one it's going
to be. I know which one I prefer, you know,
I prefer right. I'll prepare for left. But I guess
my biggest thing is I see like trying to fix
it as trying to fix this this government the way
it runs right now. In any other way than absolutely
tearing it out limb by limb and root by root
and putting something else in there and basically hoping that
somebody friendly to you gets in there, is you're just
perpetuating this. You're perpetuating it forever. And I see it
as a way of until you destroy it completely. This
power source, these people who have been had so much
influence over it and can, and you know, have insane
influence over it right now. Although I think I think
it is waning as more people and more elites wake
up to it, the Zionist Jewish supremacist influence thrives in
the regime the way it's the way it's constructed right now,
and it can't be fixed by keeping it in the
way it is right now. You're not going to take
over it and use it against your enemies. It needs
to be completely destroyed. If you want to destroy your enemies,
You're going to have to destroy that. And I don't
think I'm wrong. Maybe somebody can argue and say that
I'm wrong. I don't see me being wrong. And I've
been looking at this now for years. I think, unfortunately,
you're right. And here's why. Think of all the procedural
outcomes that you deal with the civil rights regime right
where there is no structurally speaking, there is no way
to make, you know, civil rights for white people, because
the very definition of civil rights is like the more
you know whatever, the more non straight white Christian male
you are, the more you get to reach in that
guy's wallet and take his stuff because reasons right, That's
that's the net result of the civil rights regime is
and whatever it's supposed it attended, effects right, the purposes
system is what it does. And there's no taking this
system and like turning it towards good ends because and
the Michael Jones talked about this, But the reason the
pro life movement failed and failed and failed and failed
and failed is because they were treating the civil rights
regime like it was a thing where it was about
rights for people. And so all of these you know,
mostly white Christian people, more women than men. But right,
they were always complaining about the oppressions. Who's being oppressed here? Well,
they're killing babies, is well, yeah, they are killing babies
as awful as murder. It's terrible, it's a sacrifice to Satan.
But you were trying to use the framework set up
specifically to disempower you to get something done. And like,
the whole point of the system is to take away
your political agency, like Thomas says, right after nineteen forty eight,
it was illegal to be right wing. The whole point
of the system is to disempower politically speaking, white Christian
men and particularly white Christian fathers. Well, and when Thomas
says that, you know that basically it's illegal to be
right wing, that's that's not necessarily Yeah, I don't when
I hear him say that, I'm not. He's not talking
about laws that were made. He's talking about the spirit
of the age. He's talking about something that has to
be changed, not at the legal level, but at a
fundamental level. I've also said this, Yeah, I've said this before.
Is ye, all these people, Oh, the United States has
to become one ten one ten, one ten. You get
rid of all of them, and you're still going to
be a Jewish country because your attitude, the attitude about
money and usury was still influenced by them. Are you
going to get rid of Hollywood? Is pornography goinging away?
I mean, basically a culture has been created that is
antithetical to you know, white European Christianity, and most of Christianity,
most of American Christianity has embraced it and actually sees
it as freedom and liberty. How many times have you said,
you know, you've seen some quote unquote right wing or go, well,
you know, Israel is the only think about it. Israel
is the only country in that region that has gay marriage,
you know that has gay marriage, has gay rights. Is
that yeah? That Peter Parker Like I was already against it.
You didn't need to try and sell me, right, And
this is this is why you know, we we can't
use the present system, right, the tickham Om system, the dogras,
the Nurnbergers game, whatever you want to call it. Right,
The point is to promote like trainees reading in libraries,
black Satanic training is reading to white children in a
library in Peoria, Illinois. Like that's that's the point of
the system. So you can't be like, well, we can
turn this to something like no, no, you can't like
the fact the fact that Tel Aviv is the GAFC
on Earth and it's under my in Israel is kind
of an accident. They bought their own premises.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Charles, please, I'm just going to say, I
think it's interesting that that's you said a lot of
what I said earlier, so it seems we're in pretty
solid agreement. That's what I was saying, is that we
are that we have been perverred. A lot of these
ideas have been have infected us, and then they've twisted
what we already believed, as you say, they interpret all
these things now suddenly is freedom. And I said, well,
hold on a second, it's not that's not exactly where
we started from or where we were intending to go.
But I do agree that that's exactly where we've ended up.
And I posit it's for the reasons that I said
that we ended up there because our original ideas were corrupted,
and not to say that we aren't partly responsible for that,
for falling to the corruption. But I do think it's
interesting that we're largely in agreement in that sense. I
also agree with Thomas seven seven seven when he says
it's illegal to be right wing in the sense that
it's a more of a societal social illegality than it
is a fundamental governmental illegality, although we could argue that
there is a fair amount of that, but it's far
more deleterious than that, because it is, as you say,
at a social level, a lot of these ideas are
just completely taboo. I still remember in twenty sixteen when
I was picking up a gal I was dating at
the worked at the library near me. I'm scrolling through
my phone and one of her coworkers comes up to
me and she says, oh, or he says, are you
following Trump on Twitter? And I just looked at him
and I went, nah, he's too He's too left wing
for me. And I thought the guy was going to
just fall over dead in front of me, like just
absolute shock that not only would somebody you know, admit
to anything even close to looking at Trump, but saying
that going one step further and saying that he was
two left wing. So again, I see your point, and
I do kind of co sign that. As far as
the illegality of the right wing, and I just wanted
to bring attention to the fact that we were largely
saying the same thing, that the influences have bled down
and twisted us into something that we should not be,
and that is in fact antithetical the ways of the
life of our ancestors, and it's not something we should
once have spread to the rest of the world, agreed.
I mean, we're it's spiritually aids, yeah, and in most
and in a lot of cases literally it's but but yeah,
this is not something I mean do we do we
want like every government in Europe in the White world
to like have a government like ours, that operates like ours.
I mean, it's already terrible over there. I mean, we
don't want our government to operate like ours.
Speaker 1: So it's like, what are we trying to what are
we trying to protect here? Like, I mean, I know,
you know, we have guys on our side who are
working in the government right now, and I mean I
know a bunch of guys who have been hired by
by Ice and Border Patrol, and I'm just waiting for
the reports to see just exactly what they aren't allowed
to do, because I mean, I'm I'm not buying. I
can't buy into this whole thing about how well we're
going to get We're going to clear it out, you know,
with the eighty million people who don't belong here, or
the fifty million people who don't belong here. They're gone.
They're gone, I mean they they can't get rid of
a sitting politician who celebrates the death of like the
a friend of the president and openly says, I don't
care about America. I'm here to protect some Mali people.
I'm here to serve some Mali people. I mean, plug
that person into First of all, that person is not
getting elected to any any government on one hundred years ago,
any white government one hundred years ago. But if they did,
how long are they going to last? When did we
become When does it become? Oh? We not only do
we have to be and not only do we have
to be kind and be tolerant towards the stranger within
our border, but we have to be kind and tolerant
towards a stranger in our border who gets positions of
power and then goes to war with the people who've
been here Yo two three four hundred years longer than her.
On behalf of people who got here through some kind
of loophole, because you know, we have people who've been elected,
gotten positions of power over the last hundred years that
absolutely hate us and just want to destroy us. What
exactly are we trying to preserve? How do you think
you changed that other than by absolutely crushing the whole
system into dust and starting over again. Sorry, you're not
going to convince me. Oh, I mean when you first,
you know, get into like the Cato Institute, right, oh, Cato,
the Great Roman Sentate, Like no, Rome, by the time
of the seizures was a crypto looker and someone needed
to come in and just like nope, we're not doing
this anymore. You know, I think you've talked about a pete.
But there's you know, the catastrophists, and and in Spain,
right there were the conservatives who were like, oh, well,
it's just uh, you know, we can fix the system.
And then there were people like, no, we needed to
crush everything. Like obviously the catastrophts were right in Spain
and in similar today right like, there's there's no the
Tisha James is a lying criminal who never should have
been let anywhere near any kind of power in any
capacity whatsoever. And yeah, she might do some jail time
for her mortgage fraud, but is that gonna bring vd
air back? Is that gonna bring all the people that
she harassed? What about the National Rife Association they were harassed?
Like are those people going to be made whole by
the State of New York? Softa. The State of New
York doesn't have any money. How can they make people whole?
You know, I could bring your house down and be like,
I'm really sorry, here's all the ashes. I guess that, like, well,
technically you gave me my house back, but it's it's
not any use anymore, right, he burned it down. It's
all ash. So uh, you know the people who are
basically burning down our civilization, like they need to be
stopped and people you know, and I I don't know
that Charles ever went through a libertarian phase, but I
know three of us have.
Speaker 3: And I did in college briefly. Yes, so I'm part
of the club.
Speaker 1: Yes, got Okay, So you're you're you're you're the you're
the cool guy who who who got out of it
by by the by the end of college. Okay, good,
I'm busting your nuts. You know, I could be the
libertarian who who's like, oh, well just end the state, bro, Well,
here's a problem with the libertarian ideas. Libertarians like, oh,
just in the state, and then everyone is automatically going
to adopt my You know, everyone's going to want to
be an anarcho capitalist even though you haven't built anything.
You haven't built a system where to show it works anywhere,
anything like that, or even small government. I think I'm
very realistic because this is going to be torn down
one way or another. I mean, this is literally heading
to not a mass, continental wide mass civil war, but
we are headed to like the years of Lead or
like pockets of the Spanish Civil War. And for people
who don't think that, I mean, I don't think it's
blackpilling to say that. I think it's just a reality
of knowing history. And sure, I want I think things
are going to get better. I know things are going
to get better. But how you can make things better
for yourself individually? There are still ways you can, you know,
beat this system individually or organize with people on the
local level, people you know, even statewide, who agree with you,
and you can come up with plans to protect yourself
from from you know, encroaching government. But this this is
going to be torn down one way or another. Either
one man is going to do it, and that's going
to cause people to rise up and be violent, and
he's going to have to crush that, whether right or left.
And as a matter of fact, I would say, if
it's a left wing Caesar, the right will not rise
up because they they don't do that. The Spanish did it.
But yeah, well, the problem with conservatives, I mean, I'm
on the many, but the main problem with conservatives is
they trust the institutions, despite the fact that the institution
was hallowed out and is being worn like a skin
suit by evil people. Right, there are conservatives who will
still defend the Boy Scouts. Right now, I was like
well being and pedel though, and it's like, but now
when you know, thirty years ago, like you weren't allowed
in the Boy Scouts if you were gay, and now
being gay is mandatory, right, Like, I don't know what
to tell you other than even do is our Lord said,
check the dust from your feet and get out of there.
But far too often, right, you know, conservatives will will
sit there and be like, well, I guess you know,
But and it's a temperament thing, right that they need
the state to be the one to legitimize their violence,
otherwise they won't do it well. Also, they're trained to
accept a left wing dictator and to attack a right
wing dictator. I mean, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The Soviet
Union was terrible, but we definitely had to side with
them in World War Two. And you make arguments against it,
and you show easily how the United States could have
sided with Germany and like the destruction of Europe and
the European peoples could have been avoided. And it's cognitive dissonance.
They won't hear that, they won't hear that alternate timeline
because they've already been sold something. We punch right, and
we reach out to the left and we punch right.
And so when if it is a right wing dictator
that comes along, you may have right wing. You may
have quote unquote right wing or people who are still
holding on to classical liberalism or conservatives them still calling
themselves right wing but while being left wing. But they'll
be fighting against it. They'll fight along they'll fight alongside
the leftists that that are rising up. But if it's
a left wing dictator, they'll try to make they'll try
to make peace with them, because it's just fundamentally don't
understand what time it is. They don't understand human nature. Yeah,
I mean they think everyone wants limited government. Everyone wants
limited government, and you know if we can just yep pocket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just funny.
Speaker 1: Dated vert We need updated versions of the constitution. We
need to send like maybe larger print versions of the
constitutions Liberia and that'll that'll straighten everything out. It's the
six year presidential term. That's that's the reason everything falls apart.
Speaker 3: Have to write the constitution, like the BBC writes some
of its news reports and that what is that, pigeon?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: Pigeon? It's funny you mentioned that Pete about everybody wants
limited government after busting my chops about being the one
guy in college that got out of libertarianism because you
guys got out of libertarianism because you guys had the
intellectual capacity, you thought it through, and you're all like that,
I'm not even giving myself that much credit. I got
out of it because I didn't live in a nice
enough area. It's like, oh wait, no, not enough people
are like me. This isn't gonna work. I just never
lived in really good areas to be able to hold
on to that luxury belief I could, I couldn't afford it.
I was like, oh, oh, this isn't gonna work. So yeah,
it's funny to hear that just get larger print books
of this because it's not gonna work. I also think
it's interesting too, when you talk about these things as
far as getting people on board, watching everybody else just
punch right, punch right, that's what they always do, because
to me, it seems like it stems from our very founding.
It's like, well, we punched right then and were founded
literally on the conceptcept of rebellion. We're founded literally on
the concept of doing our own thing. It's not surprising
that we are very, very, very ripe for a left
wing ideology, like hey, you just need to do your thing,
You need to do things how you want to do it. So,
I mean, I would say that it was sort of
baked into the cake from the beginning, our ouster of tradition,
our ouster of just eons, basically of hierarchy. It's like, well,
that sort of baked this leftism and liberalism into our
particular cake. Now, how do we square that circle? I mean,
I guess the best thing you can do is, as
we said earlier, just try and go back to our
ancestors before that, because I kind of pull off of
both you and d on this one. It's like, I
don't think going back to our founding fathers is going
to solve anything. I think they're part of the problem,
if I'm being honest, and in a lot of ways
unintent certainly, but I think they're because they couldn't possibly
have foreseen what how far it was going to go,
because again they suffer from the same issue. It's like
they I don't think they they realized that everybody didn't
think like that. Please go ahead, Pete.
Speaker 1: Don't talk over Oh no, no, you're good. Well, I
think a lot of the people who are like a
lot of people will be like, well, you know, we
could have the Constitution again if we just had heritage Americans.
It's like which ones? Well you and now you're just
sound like a libertarian because you think that, oh, if
you just have like a society of white people, who
can you show me the society of white people that
hasn't been completely judiaized hasn't been completely judaized for the
last hundred years. Well you think that you can you
get rid of every minority out of this country, and
all of a sudden, you institute were just going to
go by the constitution. And you don't think things are
going to fall to shit because people aren't. There is
no going back to anything. If you're going back to anything,
you're going back to cultural norms and things like that.
You're going back to like a literal constitution, not a
piece of paper. You're going back to the constitution of
a people. But you also have to understand that the
constitution of the people has been under attack for one
hundred years through through everything from turning on your radio
in your car, to turning on your TV, to going
to the movies, to going to school. And people think, oh, well,
we just it's going to be so easy. Well we
have to start somewhere. Well, I mean, sure, you have
to start somewhere, but do you realize that. I mean,
I think everyone on this call is a big fan
of Sam Francis, but there's and there a lot of
the people listening are big fans of Sam Francis. But
the most important thing he wrote was about the revolution
of mass and scale. That you cannot rule over three
hundred million people, two hundred million people, one hundred million people.
It just doesn't work. It doesn't work, especially when you
have you know, you know, and people could say, oh, well,
you know, if we had just heritage Americans doing that, Okay,
how sure it's a good place to start. Sure, but
it's like, you know, sure, you may you get rid
of the people who are responsible for sixty percent of
the murders. It's a great start that well you're also
talking about in fantasy line. Now, so what do you do?
It all comes back to it, you know, when you
start nailing down San Francis talking about mass and scale,
how you just cannot have that many people that you know,
people who want to talk about culture and want to
talk about family, and then they want to talk about
spreading that out to one hundred million people, one hundred
and fifty million people. How does that work. There's a
reason why there was thirteen colonies. There's a reason why
there were cities that, like in Maryland, the only Catholics
lived in. I mean, you're people aren't put aren't thinking
this through. They want to go back, but you can't
go back. Everything's changed, so you have to figure out
something new. And you know you're there's going to be
echoes of the past in it, of course, because you
know you're going to want to live historically. But you're
just the people who think, oh, if we just go
back to the Constitution and there's heritage Americans and everything
will be great. How many daughters of the American Revolution
are like shit lit shit lib freaking college professors. Yeah,
that'll lose or phenotype is a problem. It's like, come on, guys,
you're you're not thinking this. You're you're making it too easy,
you know. And I don't have all the answers. I'm
not gonna say. I'm not going to sit here and
pretend I have all the answers. I think I have
some damn good questions going forward. I think I have,
you know, I think I have some good suggestions. I
think that I think it's pretty obvious, you know what
the answer is, at least for now, what you should
be building and what you should be doing. But you know,
I think it just really goes to show when people
fight me so hard on it, that they are really
stuck in, really stuck thinking that if they can just
go back and yeah, well there's no time travel and
people have changed. And if you believe in like evolutionary psychology,
like Kevin McDonald talks about people like that, and people
really do change, like they're they're wiring, they can be rewired,
and that's something you have to deal with as well.
And you can't deal with that at a mass scale.
You have to start. You have to start very small.
Feel free to disagree with me, anyone, Well, I think
you're running into the problem of scale right effectively. Right.
The reason for the mid century regimes of Spain and
Italy and Germany, right was the understanding that, like, you're
playing at scale and you can't as much as you
might like to be, you know, like a distributist who
has your artisanal widgets and your home economics and your village, right, Like,
you're competing against people that will use ruthless scale to
destroy you and roll over you and kill you. So
you have to at least fight on the same scale
they do. So I can understand why people would want
that big scale, like, like it makes sense. I would
I mean agree with you on in terms of everything
you've said about the scale being a problem, and you know,
heritage Americans a lot of them being corrupted and even
if but an old friend of mine used to say,
the first step is the seeding in your mind. And
he was a Southern nationalist, so I mean that's where
he was coming from. But the the important thing, that
important first step is, like is fixing yourself, I would say,
and you know, read, listen to stuff like this, Listen
to you know, pizzezis doctor Johnson or just you know,
the complete Maurice Samuel, you gentiles, read that he just
finished you understanding, understanding your own people, and understanding where
where people are coming from. And I'm too frequently, you know,
I get very impatient with people. So I'll be dealing
with some normies and well what do you think of so,
and so I'm like, oh, I don't particularly like that person,
and for this sort of thing that Charles said of
like no, like they're two milk toast and they'll kind
of be shocked and like, oh, well I didn't I
didn't know that there was a further rite. Well, yeah,
yeah there is. Well, you know, welcome to the party,
I guess.
Speaker 2: But what.
Speaker 1: That the difficulty is is that how do you how
do you bring people along without like losing patience and
offending people, and like, that would be the thing that
I think that we need to do because obviously everything
isn't working. Stuff isn't working. You know, there's crazy people everywhere.
There's drugs and crime and foreigners and people are informing
fans leason you know, like and take take, take your pick,
and there's a problem. So, uh, how you persuade people?
I think that that's the most important thing we can
do right now. Is this sort of thing anyone else?
We're uh, we're coming up on sign pretty quickly. So
if anyone has any Yeah, if anyone has any things
they want to say, please cover right ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we we should always be willing to ask
uncomfortable questions and reassess conventional wisdom regards to the American
political project and look for any flaws that could have
led to the present situation, and also be willing to
think and act on our feet with respect to building
new solutions, because sometimes you have to clear out the
dead wood if you want to move forward, and you can't.
Speaker 1: Stick to.
Speaker 2: Failed strategies or strategies that are simply out of date
to the problems we're facing because they're quite unique in
nature and they're actually exstential.
Speaker 1: At this point.
Speaker 3: But it's always good to.
Speaker 2: Hash out disagreements and bring up new ideas and also
challenge the prevailing orthodoxy because we're in this situation for
a reason and.
Speaker 3: We just have to figure out what has brought us here. Charles, Yeah,
I think just a couple of very brief points towards
to wrap it up. For me, I want to step
back to something you said where people talk about, well,
just heritage Americans will make everything better again. And while
that will certainly improve it, I think Dean and I
are very much on the same page there. I'm sure
you and I are too with that. I would just
simply say, did we forget the Civil War happened? I mean,
wasn't that largely heritage Americans. I mean, we imported a
lot of Irish the North did to fight for them,
but largely we still had a Civil War when we
were all much more similar than we are today, I
would argue, And I would also point out that the
reason we are the United States of America and not
just America is because the whole point was we wanted
to get together for mutual protection and trade, but all
still have our own particular way of life, as you
pointed out accurately, Pete, thirteen colonies for a reason, New
Jersey wanted to live like New Jersey, Delaware wanted to
live like Delaware, etc. Etc. So we were never as
whole and as I shared as many commonalities as we
like to pretend we did. What we managed to do
was understand that there were differences and then just managed
to maintain a certain friendliness or a certain warmth, or
strengthened the few commonalities we did have. And again, I
think that's why this Jedaic influence has been so destructive,
because they're far more they're less high trust, they're far
more psychopathic in that sense you said earlier, Peat And
I'll use this to wrap it up. The easiest way
to trade with people is be friendly with them. But
certain people on this planet don't know how to be friendly.
They know how to manipulate, they know how to twist,
they know how to you know, shuck and jive and
trick and do all that, but they don't really know
how to just be friendly. And therein lies a tremendous
difference that I don't know that really can be overcome.
So that's that's it for me today.
Speaker 1: Wrap up with anything day now. Just support the people
to support you. I mean, Jose Substack is fantastic. Read
his articles at the Auxide a Little Observer, and support
Pete's Substack and read Charles's books. Man, it's a you're
not going to win this being ignorant, and you know,
support people that don't lie to you. I appreciate it, gentlemen. Yeah,
thank you, thank you. That's great. I appreciate a gentlemen.
And you know, once again, thank you, and uh until
the next time. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2: H