WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.119 are your favorites, so like say subscribe and rade it. 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:19.800 I'm starck and me greatest, go on Wish. 4 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:26.719 Today listening a watching lim always keep its watching. And 5 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:32.280 now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay, Good day, Bobo. 6 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:33.039 How are you doing? 7 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:36.359 Good day, sir, I'm excellent, excellent? 8 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:38.759 All right, Well, hey, well we have a guest here. 9 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:39.840 I don't want to, I want to. I'd want to 10 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:41.880 keep her waiting for too much longer here. I just 11 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:43.520 wanted to catch up with you for a minute. 12 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:44.000 Who is she? 13 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:44.679 Oh? 14 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:46.880 Well, you know, oddly enough, I don't know that much 15 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:49.679 about her because the lovely and talented Matt Prewitt set 16 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:51.479 this up. So we are going to I mean, I 17 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:52.719 know a little bit about what we're going to be 18 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:54.840 talking about here, but I'm going to toss this to 19 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:57.039 Matt Prewitt to do the introduction, and then you and 20 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:59.880 I can learn about the witness and her importance and 21 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.960 she's on the show together. I was good, Matt, you 22 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.159 want to take it? Yeah. 23 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:07.560 So we get so many excellent emails from our awesome listeners, 24 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:09.599 and we got an email on Christmas that I was 25 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.879 really intrigued by. So I was reading this very nice 26 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.239 email from a listener named Liz who was talking about, 27 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.640 you know, enjoying the podcast and had mentioned sort of 28 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.040 briefly a bit about a story that kicked off her 29 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.359 interest in the subject. And so I immediately wrote back 30 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.239 and was like, Oh, that's pretty interesting. Can you tell 31 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.719 me more about this story? And she wrote back very detailed, 32 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.480 sort of a breakdown of what had occurred that started 33 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:39.239 her interest to investigating this particular subject, and I just thought, Man, 34 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.760 this is fascinating on multiple levels. And then we exchanged 35 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:45.079 some other emails. I was really impressed with her background, 36 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:47.560 and I just thought this would be so great for 37 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.760 the podcast, because again, I think listeners will hear there's 38 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.159 a lot of different elements that I think are really 39 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.760 intriguing that we can go into after we hear the story. 40 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.439 But you know, I do think with you two guys, 41 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.560 as in a way, you're sort of like the proxy 42 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.840 for the audience, and I think some of the best 43 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.159 episodes we've had have been when you've talked to people 44 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.319 that are sort of new to you and so you're 45 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.840 discovering the story or their experience at the same rate 46 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:15.960 as the audience does, and so it causes you to 47 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.479 generate questions that are probably the same kind of questions 48 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.439 that the audience has when they're hearing it. So I 49 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.639 set this up. I only gave you guys a little 50 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.240 bit of information about this, but I think it's going 51 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.120 to be a great episode, and so we want to 52 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.360 welcome Liz. Liz, thank you so much for being here. 53 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.120 Hi, thank you, Matt, Hi Cliff, Hi, Bobo, nice to 54 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:34.840 talk to you. 55 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:36.479 Thanks for being here with us. 56 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.759 Yeah, yeah, thanks for listening, and also thanks for the 57 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.120 email and being willing to come on the podcast and 58 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.800 tell us about your story. Bobo and I know very 59 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.319 very little about it, So would you like to, first 60 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.199 of all, maybe share a little bit about who you are, 61 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.159 your background, whatever you're willing to share, and that we 62 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.759 can get into what started your interest in the subject. 63 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.560 Sure, well, it started after college. I left college. I 64 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.240 had an art degree and I wanted to be an 65 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:07.639 art teacher, but there were no jobs, and so during 66 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.400 the summer I was involved in a shooting. I didn't 67 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:14.680 shoot anybody, but somebody shot at us, and when we 68 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.960 went to the police department, they asked if I could 69 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:21.520 identify the person and I said, oh, I can draw 70 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.759 a picture of them for you. And they were like amazed, 71 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.879 and I said and they said, would you like a 72 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.680 job And I said, your kid and doing that and 73 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.080 they said yeah. So they hired me as a criminal 74 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.319 composite artist. Well, of course you don't do that full time, 75 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.039 even in a large department. They only call you when 76 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:44.159 there's things going on, and so I did that. But 77 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:45.919 on the side, I mean, most of the time I 78 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:51.080 was doing things like dispatcher, jailer, breath liser, operator, all 79 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.240 kinds of those other jobs that civilians do in police departments. 80 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:57.919 I guess it was about my third year, which would 81 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:02.000 have been nineteen seventy eight. Was either late seventy seven 82 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:03.879 or early seventy eight, I get a call from a 83 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:07.280 friend that's a cop and he said, I have a 84 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:11.240 friend that has been doing ride alongs with me that 85 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.439 is a cop from a northern state and he wants 86 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.639 to get you to draw somebody for something for you. 87 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:21.839 I think, he said, I don't know. He said do 88 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.480 a drawing. It wasn't clear and I said sure, and 89 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.480 he said, can we come out on the weekend. I said, 90 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:32.240 sure when I'm off, you know. So they came out 91 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.199 and he brings in this big guy. I mean he 92 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.439 was I'm short, but i'd say he was six y four, 93 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.240 probably big guy. And he says, well, I'm going to 94 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:45.040 tell you a story, and I want you to draw 95 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.120 what you know, just what I describe. And I said sure, 96 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.279 So sat down and he starts telling the story and 97 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.680 it ends up that he's telling me about a bigfoot, 98 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:01.680 that something that happened to him. So the story was 99 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.399 and I have to tell you, you know, from doing 100 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.160 drawings with people, I mean, working in law enforcement anyway, 101 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.279 even though you're not a cop, you deal with a 102 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.480 lot of people, and you learn when people are telling 103 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.959 you the truth and how they react when they're excited 104 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:22.879 or they're reliving events. So I always kind of pay 105 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:26.000 attention to that to see how true what they're. 106 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:26.560 Telling you is. 107 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:31.000 And so this guy, that was one thing that stuck 108 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.759 with me with him because here's this big, strong cop 109 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:38.759 that was a canine officer and he had moved to 110 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.120 O'calla after he had been I think let go from 111 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.959 his police department, but I'm not sure. There was a 112 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.560 layoff of a lot of people and so he had 113 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.240 moved to Okaala, where his wife's family was from, and 114 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.160 they lived out in the country on a dirt road, 115 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.199 sand road in Okalla National Forest, and he was looking 116 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.959 for a job and his wife was I think a nurse, 117 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.600 but I'm not positive. And they had a little baby 118 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:10.639 that was just a toddler. And so the husband tells 119 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.519 me the story of oh, he had two dogs. They 120 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.959 were however, he's at Malinois shepherds and he let them 121 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:19.920 out to do their business at the end of the 122 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.160 driveway and they, I mean they ran out to the 123 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.720 end of the driveway to the road and there was 124 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:27.319 nobody out there, so he didn't worry about him getting 125 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.519 hit or anything. And he said they didn't come back 126 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.040 in right away, and so he heard them and they 127 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:33.560 were out there. 128 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.120 It was like they were playing. 129 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.800 And it was, you know, dark thirty. So he went 130 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.680 out there with his kel light and the kel light 131 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:43.439 I don't know if you all know what that is, 132 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:48.120 but it's a big metal flashlight, all black, heavy metal, 133 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.519 and he took it out there and you could really 134 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:54.959 see far with it, and he said that at the 135 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.319 end of the driveway was the dog. 136 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.000 The two were the two dogs, and they were playing 137 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:02.680 with a bigfoot. 138 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:07.600 The bigfoot was playing with the dogs, and he had 139 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:09.839 I don't remember if he said he had just done 140 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:11.759 with him or he went back in and got it. 141 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:13.560 Yeah, he went back in. 142 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:15.480 They wouldn't come to him, so he went back in 143 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.600 and got his service revolver, came back out and called 144 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.519 for the dogs. They came, and he shot at the 145 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:26.240 bigfoot and hid it square, he said, square in the chest, 146 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:29.360 and the thing let out a scream that he said, 147 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.920 he just said, it just went right through you, and 148 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:37.079 it screamed, and it went off into the woods. So 149 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.800 he said that he was afraid. He was trying to 150 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:44.040 get a job as a police officer, and so he 151 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.360 was afraid to call anybody. But I do remember, I'm 152 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:51.160 not sure that he said he called the deputy out 153 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.759 and made a report, but I'm not positive about that, 154 00:07:53.959 --> 00:08:00.680 so don't quote me. And so his description of it 155 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.199 really stuck with me because at the time, I mean, 156 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.079 I knew about the Abominable Snowman, you know, but I 157 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.439 didn't really pay that much attention to stuff like that. 158 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:16.399 And he described the bigfoot as very large. I don't 159 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.319 remember exactly how large he said, but it was much 160 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:22.199 larger than a human. And he said the thing that 161 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.120 stuck out to me as he said, it had a 162 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:28.199 cone shape head, and I had never ever heard of 163 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.000 that before. And he said also that it had humongous 164 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:38.960 shoulders and arms, it hung down below its knees fingertips 165 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.840 below the knees, and it was massive chest, very built 166 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:49.039 up muscular chest and arms and upper arms and lower arms. 167 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:53.679 That it was very shaggy, reddish brown color. It had 168 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.600 red eyes, but I don't know what. He didn't know 169 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.799 if that was red eyes from the from the light 170 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.759 or what, but he said the eyes were red. 171 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.360 And see, I'm kind of nervous telling this. 172 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.039 I mean, it brings back all the things that happened, 173 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.519 you know. But anyway, so that's the way he described it. 174 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.919 And he said he took a cast of it the 175 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:17.600 next day. 176 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.600 So that's the picture. That's the story. 177 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.679 And the drawing that I did. No. I gave him 178 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.279 the drawing and I made a copy, but I don't 179 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:28.720 have it. 180 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:29.600 I can't find it. 181 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.360 I swear I never got rid of it, because I 182 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:36.679 have the other drawings I did of suspects for different things. 183 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.919 But I don't know what happened to it. But I 184 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.639 can still see it like you know it was yesterday 185 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.080 and it was nineteen seventy seven or eight. 186 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.480 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 187 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:58.799 We'll be right back after these messages. Hey, Boba, whatever 188 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:00.840 happened to your gone squatch hat used to wear and 189 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:01.879 finding big Foot? Now? 190 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:03.320 I don't have that hat anymore. I gave it to 191 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.559 Lauren Coleman for his museum, but I might be asking 192 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:10.240 for it back because I'm getting a little nervous in summertime, 193 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.200 getting too much sun on the scalp up there now, 194 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.000 and I'm getting bit by a mosquitoes. There's not a 195 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.879 big lush crop to fend them off. 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One of the things that 220 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.960 I found compelling about your email is you had sort 221 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:47.159 of alluded to his behaviors as he was recounting the stories. 222 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:48.360 I don't know if you want to share any of 223 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.159 that with krypenbogor the audience. 224 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.000 Yes, so, like what I said at the beginning about 225 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.600 you know, really paying attention to what people are telling 226 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:58.320 you when you work in law enforcement or work with 227 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.879 people that might be telling you the truth. I really 228 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:07.279 paid attention to that, and he did several things that 229 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.399 really told me that this was the truth. First of all, 230 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:12.879 I mean, the story itself. Why would you come out 231 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:16.360 if you're a cop and you want a job and 232 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:18.840 just make this up, you know, and tell it to 233 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.840 somebody and swear I'm to secrecy, you know. So that 234 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.399 was one part of it. And then the other part 235 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:29.000 was that he chain smoked the whole time he was talking, 236 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.720 and he shook, I mean he was shaking. He would 237 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.039 pace the floor and then sit down for a second, 238 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:37.960 but he wouldn't sit for very long, and then he'd 239 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.480 get up and he'd keep going, and you could tell 240 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:44.039 he was really really reliving it. I mean there was 241 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:47.279 even goose pumps at one point that I noticed. That 242 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:51.879 really convinced me, and that led me to really start 243 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:56.639 paying attention to what I read about it. And then 244 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.279 years later when I heard that they had, you know, 245 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.200 crests or whatever you want to call it on their heads, 246 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.000 I was like what, because that's what he described. He 247 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:09.519 also described no neck and like the head fit the 248 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:14.480 head sat lower in front of the shoulders, So you know, 249 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:18.919 just his behavior has told me that it had to 250 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:21.240 have happened. You know that he was reliving it when 251 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:22.639 he was telling it to me too. 252 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.080 Liz, how long did this interview take? 253 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:25.279 Like? 254 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.399 How long do was he describing this? And how long 255 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.879 does it take did it take you to make the drawing? 256 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.360 Probably I'd say an hour at least. 257 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.600 Okay, so he's fidgeting and pacing and smoking. 258 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.960 Yes, well, he's describing it, and then afterwards, I after 259 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.039 I drew it, then you revise so you you know, 260 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.679 you say, is this what you saw? And he said no, 261 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.039 you know, there wasn't. I don't remember exactly what he said, 262 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.840 but I remember him saying something about the head not 263 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.759 being that hot, like there wasn't a neck, so I 264 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.799 had to lower the head on the body, and you 265 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:03.080 know that the hands. 266 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:06.120 Were lower, the arms were lower. So you just revise 267 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:06.879 as you go. 268 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.679 Until they feel comfortable that that's the closest proximity to 269 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:11.960 what they've seen. 270 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:15.279 Did he still have like issues with it at the 271 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.360 end or was he completely satisfied? It's like, no, that's 272 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:18.559 about as close as we can get. 273 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.559 No, he was he was very satisfied with it. And 274 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:23.919 when I say an hour, I don't know, because this 275 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:25.080 is forty years ago. 276 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:26.600 You know, it could have been. 277 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.639 An hour and a half, but it was about as 278 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:34.639 long as what usually would happen with other ones. So 279 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.919 here's the rest of the story, though. Do you have 280 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:40.320 any questions about that part? 281 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.960 Well, I have more questions about what he observed. Of course. 282 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:45.879 I don't know if you want to get into that 283 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:47.320 now or should we just wait and go through the 284 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:49.320 rest of the story. What do you feel be better. 285 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.600 Lizy, you might want to hear the rest of the story. 286 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.000 All right, laid honest, because I have an handful of questions. 287 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.120 He said, I can't pay you or anything for it, 288 00:14:58.480 --> 00:14:59.559 and I said that's fine. 289 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.559 You know, it was an interesting story to me. 290 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:02.320 And. 291 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:08.480 Here comes a win. And so he took the picture. 292 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:12.279 I don't remember how I made a copy, but I did. 293 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:17.679 And he came back in about a week or two 294 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:23.240 and he brought me. He pulls up and in the 295 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:27.519 trunk of his car he has a box and he 296 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:28.879 has jewelry in it. 297 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.519 It's turquoise jewelry. 298 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:33.960 And he said, I want you to pick out any 299 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.080 piece here and he was a jeweler. I didn't know it, 300 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.279 but he did arts and crafts bears and he said, 301 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.080 you can pick out and I can't really pay you 302 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:43.720 because I'm out of a job, but you can pick 303 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.279 out any piece of jewelry you want. And so I 304 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:49.559 picked out a turquoise ring, and I still have the ring. 305 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.960 And then he told me the rest of the story. 306 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:59.080 So he took the picture home because he didn't tell 307 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.960 me this at the time when I first did the drawing, 308 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.320 but he had taught He didn't tell his wife or 309 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.000 his mother in law about it at all for a 310 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.519 long time, and then he finally told them, and the 311 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:17.879 mother in law said she would babysit the baby when 312 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:20.000 they went to work or when he went looking to 313 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.840 work for work. When they were up in Okalla, and 314 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.080 they had a deck on the front of the trailer, 315 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.799 and so across the front of the trailer were windows, 316 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.720 and so she could see out onto the deck, and 317 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.200 in the afternoon she would watch her soap opera and 318 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.559 put the baby out on the deck right outside the 319 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:47.120 windows so she could see him in a playpen. So 320 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.559 one sunny afternoon she was over there, she said, and 321 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.559 it was nice and pretty and not too hot, and 322 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.080 she put the baby out there to watch her soap opera, 323 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.200 and she was sitting on the couch which was right 324 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.600 up against the window so she could just look over 325 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:02.360 her show at the baby, and you know, had the 326 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.759 windows open so she could hear and everything. And she said, 327 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.160 she's watching her soap and all of a sudden she 328 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:12.559 sees a shadow go across the TV and she so 329 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.599 she turns around, thinking that one of the family comes home. 330 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:21.119 And she said there was a sasquatch leaning into the crib, 331 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.960 but it wasn't like it was going to take it 332 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:27.599 or anything. It just leaned over and when it saw her, 333 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:31.599 it ran off. So that's the rest of the story. 334 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:33.799 I never met the lady or anything. 335 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.839 This was before I shot it. I don't know ken 336 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.319 has he to be playing with the baby If I 337 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:41.400 got shop just for playing with a dog. 338 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.160 That's true, totally. I agree. 339 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.880 You mentioned that it was playing with the dogs at 340 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.759 one time, and then now this other story that we 341 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.839 don't know where the time. If it's in the timeline 342 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.039 of it playing with a baby, do you have any 343 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.160 information or did did he relay anything to you to 344 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.160 give any sort of indication of how it was playing. 345 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:06.160 I would like wrestling. Was it like, I mean, poking 346 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.359 at it? Or is it I mean, what how was 347 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:10.680 it interacting with either of these things? 348 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.839 It said it was wrestling with the dogs, but it 349 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.559 wasn't like it was trying to hurt them, because the 350 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:21.279 dogs were like yipping, they weren't growling or anything. And 351 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:24.960 these are trained dogs. And then the baby, she just 352 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:28.799 said it leaned over like it was like, and the 353 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.160 baby was looking up at it smiling. You know, she 354 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:36.640 did say that like it it wasn't scared. So but 355 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.680 I don't know a lot more information about that. I mean, 356 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:41.559 it was third hand, you know. 357 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.400 So sure. Did the initial witness tell you how far 358 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.960 away the creature was from him when he saw it? 359 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.880 I don't remember exactly, but I know it was a 360 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.839 little bit longer driveway. I always kind of thought maybe 361 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:59.200 thirty yards forty yards, you know, not that far, not 362 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:00.680 like one hundred yardards or anything. 363 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:05.559 Okay, And while while you were hearing this story for 364 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.200 the first time, all the way back in the nineteen seventies, 365 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:13.440 and he was unloading this probably fairly unbelievable or certainly 366 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:17.960 unexpected story upon you, did you believe him right then 367 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.480 and there, or did it take the whole hour or 368 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:22.359 hour and a half or however long it was for 369 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.559 you to for this to settle in and you think, 370 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:26.319 oh my gosh, this guy's telling me the truth. 371 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.599 No, I did not believe it right away because I 372 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.559 kept thinking, what are these two guys trying to pull 373 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:35.680 on me? You know, because cops are notorious for joking, 374 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.599 and so you know, I kept watching that, and that's 375 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:41.680 why I really paid attention to the way he was 376 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:45.039 acting and what he was saying, and then him saying, 377 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:45.920 don't tell. 378 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:46.400 Anybody, you know. 379 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:51.119 He repeated that several times, and being worried that he 380 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.119 would not get a people would think it was crazy. 381 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:58.000 Yeah, sure, I think that's a reasonable fear for someone 382 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:00.559 trying to get a job in law enforcement, because I 383 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:02.400 mean law enforcement, you could be you know, you're going 384 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:04.240 to go on trial at some point, You're going to 385 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.400 be a witness in somebody's trial. And imagine some scumbag 386 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:10.839 lawyer right saying like, so I understand you believe in sasquatches, 387 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:14.039 is just calling your credibility in the question. You know, 388 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:16.319 they have to be very very careful about that sort 389 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:16.720 of stuff. 390 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.039 I don't. You know, I don't know, but I know it. 391 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:24.279 It really changed my thinking, and it may and especially 392 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:27.960 years later when I heard, you know, I heard about 393 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.000 like the crest, not the crest, but you know what, 394 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:32.400 I'm sagital crest. 395 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:33.319 I guess it's called. 396 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.079 And when I heard things like their arms, you know, 397 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.319 the size, the and I didn't even think about them 398 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:41.119 being in Florida. 399 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.079 I always thought it was just like I said. 400 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:48.079 You know, somewhere in Nepal or somewhere in the Pacific Northwest. 401 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.119