1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Let's see a little bit of music news here. This 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,639 is from from NME dot com. Prince's a State responds 3 00:00:06,679 --> 00:00:11,199 to Apollonia's quote frivolous lawsuit. Uh this, I remember when 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,560 when this first broke this, uh this news about uh 5 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,600 Apollonia Kato getting into a bit of a conflict there 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,519 with about Paisley Park, the recording studio that Prince had 7 00:00:24,559 --> 00:00:27,480 on his estate, and uh, you know, I've been a 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,800 fan of uh so coincidentally, I won't I can't say 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,759 who this individual is or how I know them, but Jenny, 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,119 I think you'll know who I'm talking about. Yesterday I 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,679 spent time with someone who h he was wearing a 12 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:42,119 shirt of Prince when Dove's Cry. And I always compliment 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,479 tom on whenever he wears that shirt. But but yeah, 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,759 because when Doves Cry? Uh when when that was a 15 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:50,840 big hit, when when we were kids, and I would 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,560 play that song over and over and over, and you know, 17 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:55,560 huge huge Prince fan. And I've seen Purple Rain I 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,520 don't know how many times, because you know, it would 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,719 be on HBO all the time and I would just 20 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,159 watch it over and over and over. By the way, 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,719 poly c from Retrospect Radio with poly c has never 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,599 seen Purple Rain? 23 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: Can you believe that? 24 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:09,799 Speaker 3: But he never watched I. 25 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:11,599 Speaker 1: Know he's never seen that. He's never seen this as 26 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,159 spinal tap, he's missing out. But so this is the 27 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,480 story from eneme dot com. Princess of State has responded 28 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,400 to singer songwriter Apollonia's lawsuit, dismissing it as frivolous and unwarranted. 29 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,239 The US artist, actor, and former model a real name, 30 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,599 Patricia Apollonia Kataro, starred in Prince's classic nineteen eighty four 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,200 film Purple Rain, portraying his love interest who has the 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,719 name Apollonia. She recently filed the fourteen page complaint against 33 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:43,040 the late Icons of State Paisley Park Enterprises in a 34 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:46,560 Los Angeles federal court, accusing it of attempting to steal 35 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,920 her name. Kataro claims in the suit that after appearing 36 00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:54,040 in Purple Rain, Prince never asked her to stop going 37 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:57,920 by the name Apollonia and did not quote contend that 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,280 the name did not belong to her, either personally or 39 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:05,200 professionally unquote. She alleges it was on the contrary, and 40 00:02:05,239 --> 00:02:09,400 that quote Prince himself consented and encouraged Apollonia in her 41 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:13,599 professional endeavors unquote under that name. Kato has now used 42 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,919 the name for over four decades and released numerous projects 43 00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:20,680 using the alias. Her legal team claims that Prince's Estate 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,759 was out of line when it tried to claim ownership 45 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:28,000 of the Apollonia trademark in June. She alleges that the 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,680 estate filed an intent to use application that would allow 47 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:33,199 it to use the name in connection with clothing and 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,879 entertainment services. Kato also claims that Paisley Park Enterprises has 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,680 made moves to try and cancel her trademark applications and 50 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:44,840 registrations despite her being the rightful owner now the estate. 51 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,800 By the way, this is a different thing than what 52 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:51,039 I the conflict I was referring to earlier, because prior 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,919 to all of this, Apollonia was complaining about something else 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,639 related to this organization and the Paisley Park Recording studio. 55 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,639 But apparently that's a completely separate thing. So I don't 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,680 know whatever happened with that. I guess nothing, but this 57 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,879 is this is interesting. So now the Estate has responded 58 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,039 via a written statement posted on Prince's official social media channels, 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,560 quote regrettably, Miss Patty Kataro aka Apolonia filed a frivolous 60 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,199 lawsuit as she acknowledges Apollonia is the name Prince gave 61 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,319 to the character played by Miss Kataro in Prince's movie 62 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:25,599 Purple Rain over forty years ago. We never instructed her 63 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:28,400 to sease using her adopted professional name, nor did we 64 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:31,800 object to her business activities. In fact, we repeatedly offered 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,960 her opportunities to perform at Paisley Park using this professional name. 66 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:40,039 Speaker 2: Unquote. So because wait, can. 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: We mention the fact that he didn't come up with 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,840 it out of thin air? It's her middle name. 69 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, her middle name is with the name right right, Yeah. 70 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:51,879 Speaker 3: And the way they're talking about it really galls me 71 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,919 because it's like, do you remember when when Prince was 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,639 in a fight with the label and he wrote slave 73 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:01,280 across his cheek. Yeah, and he wouldn't use the name 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,599 Prince because of the way they were using his name. 75 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, he became an unpronounceable symbol. Yes, And the artist 76 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:08,879 formerly known as the same. 77 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: Damn thing being done in reverse to her, Well, it's 78 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,599 her middle name. He didn't pull it out of thin air. No, Yes, 79 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:17,959 he named the character that, but it's her right. 80 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: Well, but the other weird thing is they're they're claiming 81 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:23,360 they never told her not to use the name. So 82 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:25,600 I don't I don't know what the hang up is here. 83 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,279 There's more than this article. But I wonder if maybe 84 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,360 there's a matter of how she uses the name. 85 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:33,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they've gotten in the way of her trying 86 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,879 to trademarcket herself her own name. 87 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, own herself. 88 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,639 Speaker 1: That's that's that's true, right, she wants to be able 89 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:47,879 to own the name. It says here. Also, h oh, 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:48,759 this is also. 91 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: I remember they said that they that the name doesn't 92 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:56,319 belong to her personally or professionally. It's her middle name. 93 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,040 How does that not belong to her personally? 94 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: There are are exceptions though, trademark law and copyright law 95 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:07,680 and intellectual property. It's all very fascinating to me, But there's. 96 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,399 Speaker 3: There say it doesn't belong to her. 97 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: But there's there's but there are there are exceptions. 98 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: Just as a random example, because Hall and Oates, for example, 99 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,720 they recently settled. 100 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:15,519 Speaker 3: Uh oh did they finally? 101 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: They finally through arbitration, they settled their whole legal dispute. 102 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:22,600 But so let's say, for example, your name is Daryl Hall, 103 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:24,800 and you have a friend named John Oates and you 104 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,800 decide you're going to form a musical duo and go 105 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,399 out and perform, and those are your real names. It 106 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 doesn't matter. You're still gonna get slapped down for that, 107 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:33,240 you know what I mean. 108 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: Okay, but that's different. That's something happening after the fact. 109 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:42,399 The creation of Apollonia, the character came in part out of. 110 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,319 Speaker 2: Her right, Well, I'll tell me. 111 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he named the character after he cast her, not before. 112 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,879 He didn't come up with the name Apollonia and then go, oh, look, 113 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:53,120 I found a chick who has the Appollodia middle name. 114 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:56,000 That's not what happened. I met her, wanted to cast 115 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,959 her and then name the character her middle name. 116 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know what Prince's long term intentions 117 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,560 were with that, but I do know it can get complicated. 118 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,879 Dealing with Prince was complicated because Morris Day of Morris 119 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:11,560 Day in the Time. Sure, he's talked about that, how 120 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,000 difficult that was. Because you know, so you watch you 121 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,000 you watch the movie, and of course Morris Day on 122 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,680 the Time as one of the bands in the movie. 123 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:22,839 And then but if you do some digging, you find 124 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,600 out that was really Prince's band. You know, he put 125 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:30,600 he put those guys together, Uh, Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis, 126 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,120 who went on to become very successful producers. Uh they 127 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,160 produced Janet Jackson and stuff. But they were also a 128 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,519 part of that band along with Morris Day. That that 129 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,879 was the time. That was Prince's creation. And then and 130 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,040 then so Morris Day had problems with you know, so 131 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:48,800 later on years after Purple Rain, he's trying to tour 132 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,160 as Purple Rain. I mean, I'm sorry, as Purple He's 133 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,199 trying to tour as Morris Day on the time, and 134 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,160 he's got, he's got he's getting a hard time. 135 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: About it because if she was trying to use Apollonius, 136 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,839 no I'm not, I'm not which was her, But now 137 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,360 I'm a c No, I'm just saying. 138 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that's com dealing with Prince was complicated. 139 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,720 That was That was my only point. 140 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: That's true. 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: It is true. But it is interesting that you bring 142 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,199 that up because he did create the time, just like 143 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:17,800 he did create Apollonia six, which was her with. 144 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: Two other girls. 145 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:24,439 Speaker 3: Was so weird, right, six but three people, and you know, 146 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,600 and that was his creation, and that was music. He 147 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:33,759 created her and in the name Apollonia, I'm sorry, it's 148 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,360 her middle name. Let her use her dang name. 149 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: They should, well, they are trying. 150 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:43,759 Speaker 3: To use Apollonius. No, but they're stopping own her own name. 151 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:47,079 And that I find I find is really upsetting to 152 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,040 me because it completely flies in the face of what 153 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,279 Prince did in his time to have ownership of himself 154 00:07:55,639 --> 00:07:58,720 and what he did to teach the music world about 155 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,120 ownership of health, ownership of artistry. Right, the whole that 156 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,839 went on for like how many how long did that 157 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:07,079 go on? Was it two years? 158 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: Longer than that that went on? 159 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:11,639 Speaker 3: That he was fighting with them to honor himself, and 160 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,680 that's what he was fighting for. This is to me, 161 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,240 this is this is the same damn thing. It's her 162 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,240 middle name. It's her name, right, he can pull it 163 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,439 out of thin air. He named the character after her, Yeah, right, 164 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,160 she should get to use it. She should be able 165 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:30,399 to own them saying that them them saying she has 166 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:34,759 no ownership to no right to it, personally or professionally. 167 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:38,639 The personally really gets me because it's her middle name. 168 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,039 She has every right to it. I don't know how 169 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:42,879 many people I've met in my lifetime that go by 170 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:47,559 their middle name, or like parents, especially like guys who 171 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,879 have sons named Junior, instead of calling him Junior, they 172 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,159 might call him David the middle name, or instead of 173 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,919 little Bill and big Bill. You know exactly exactly. They 174 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,000 should let her own her own dang name. They shouldn't 175 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,639 be so selfish. Well, and new sides effect, why are 176 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,240 you paying so much attention to this princess state? How 177 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,399 about the eight thousand or whatever songs you've got in 178 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:10,159 that vault. You got enough music in that vault to 179 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,919 be releasing an album like every year for the rest 180 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:16,279 of my life and beyond. So why aren't you concentrating 181 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,799 on that. You've got a ton of money making material. 182 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,799 Leave her alone, let her own her dang name. That's 183 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:22,879 my opinion on it. 184 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,799 Speaker 1: Well, the other thing, too is I don't know from 185 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,440 their I mean, I guess they're going to I guess 186 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:34,600 their attitude is they're going to defend the intellectual property 187 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,799 of quote unquote the estate, no matter what, and and 188 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:41,799 but and I understand that from a legal perspective to 189 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:42,120 a point. 190 00:09:42,159 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: But at the same time, what value. 191 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: Like collectual property here? 192 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: No, no, no, but. 193 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,879 Speaker 1: I'm just saying though from a financial standpoint, like what 194 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,399 value is that name specifically in terms of market like 195 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,919 what are you marketing where you're making money off of 196 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:01,320 the name Apollonia? 197 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 3: You know what? 198 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:02,799 Speaker 2: I refer to her too. 199 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:04,639 Speaker 3: They refer to her as Patty. 200 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I noticed that. I noticed that. 201 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: No Patricia, appolonial Kataro, because they're not gonna use the 202 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,480 whole name because I don't want you. They don't want 203 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:14,039 you the public to know that that's actually her middle name. 204 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,039 People believe that he pulled it out of thin air 205 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:17,759 and named her. 206 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, most people. 207 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 3: You know, that's what people think. I would be. I would, 208 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,720 I would, I would go out on a limon say 209 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,000 that probably eighty percent of the American public believes that 210 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,759 Prince pulled the name out of thin air and that's 211 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:33,159 where the name came from, not that it was actually 212 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:36,639 her middle name, right, you know that For them to 213 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:40,960 I just seriously, they have so much money already, and 214 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,600 there's so much material to make billions of dollars more. 215 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:48,480 How much money do you need? Grotesque greed? Let the 216 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,480 child have her name. 217 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: No, I agree with you? Uh, they say too. 218 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,519 Speaker 1: In their statement, the lawyers for the estate quote miss 219 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,919 Kataro's unwarranted lawsuit comes at the tail end of years 220 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,720 long disputes before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board concerning 221 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:06,519 trademark registrations in which rulings are imminent and with respect 222 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:09,440 to which we have sought a settlement numerous times despite 223 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,799 her highly unreasonable demands. Unsurprisingly, her suit fails to acknowledge 224 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:17,039 the cancelation of her Apollonia registration by the United States 225 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Patent and Trademark Office. We look forward to the rulings 226 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:23,480 and the pending trademark proceedings and a dismissal of Miss 227 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,679 Gato's recent federal action as is, as is our duty, 228 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,519 we will continue to protect and preserve Prince's assets and legacy. 229 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,159 Speaker 3: Un Prime me a river with that bowl of a 230 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,080 mot of malaccy Seriously, I bet you money that they 231 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,320 had something to do with the cancelation of that trademark. 232 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, maybe they. 233 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: Won't leave her alone to have it their calaiming her. 234 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Frivolous I call you, frivolous, Princess state, Yeah, leave her alone, 235 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:53,840 let her have her middle name, let her live it's 236 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:54,480 her name. 237 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, leave her. 238 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 3: You know they made that character together utilizing her middle name. 239 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: Leave him both alone. 240 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: You've got tons of money to make in that vault. 241 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,320 Oh my god, Like, really, what if they released from 242 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,919 the vault anything and they have how many late thousands 243 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,440 and thousands. They're so dis disclosively, so much music in 244 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:18,799 there that they could quite literally release songs for the 245 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,919 rest of my life and not run out, and your 246 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,840 life probably and not run out. He has so much 247 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:28,600 material in there, and they've all admitted to it, but 248 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:30,440 they're sitting on it, like you want to make money, 249 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,200 there you go, you got a you got a vault 250 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:39,080 full of probably a billion dollars, not not even exaggerating. 251 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: Right, go do that? 252 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: Why this? 253 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:42,759 Speaker 2: Why this? 254 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: Why are we being so petty