Speaker 1: Let's see a little bit of music news here. This
is from from NME dot com. Prince's a State responds
to Apollonia's quote frivolous lawsuit. Uh this, I remember when
when this first broke this, uh this news about uh
Apollonia Kato getting into a bit of a conflict there
with about Paisley Park, the recording studio that Prince had
on his estate, and uh, you know, I've been a
fan of uh so coincidentally, I won't I can't say
who this individual is or how I know them, but Jenny,
I think you'll know who I'm talking about. Yesterday I
spent time with someone who h he was wearing a
shirt of Prince when Dove's Cry. And I always compliment
tom on whenever he wears that shirt. But but yeah,
because when Doves Cry? Uh when when that was a
big hit, when when we were kids, and I would
play that song over and over and over, and you know,
huge huge Prince fan. And I've seen Purple Rain I
don't know how many times, because you know, it would
be on HBO all the time and I would just
watch it over and over and over. By the way,
poly c from Retrospect Radio with poly c has never
seen Purple Rain?
Speaker 2: Can you believe that?
Speaker 3: But he never watched I.
Speaker 1: Know he's never seen that. He's never seen this as
spinal tap, he's missing out. But so this is the
story from eneme dot com. Princess of State has responded
to singer songwriter Apollonia's lawsuit, dismissing it as frivolous and unwarranted.
The US artist, actor, and former model a real name,
Patricia Apollonia Kataro, starred in Prince's classic nineteen eighty four
film Purple Rain, portraying his love interest who has the
name Apollonia. She recently filed the fourteen page complaint against
the late Icons of State Paisley Park Enterprises in a
Los Angeles federal court, accusing it of attempting to steal
her name. Kataro claims in the suit that after appearing
in Purple Rain, Prince never asked her to stop going
by the name Apollonia and did not quote contend that
the name did not belong to her, either personally or
professionally unquote. She alleges it was on the contrary, and
that quote Prince himself consented and encouraged Apollonia in her
professional endeavors unquote under that name. Kato has now used
the name for over four decades and released numerous projects
using the alias. Her legal team claims that Prince's Estate
was out of line when it tried to claim ownership
of the Apollonia trademark in June. She alleges that the
estate filed an intent to use application that would allow
it to use the name in connection with clothing and
entertainment services. Kato also claims that Paisley Park Enterprises has
made moves to try and cancel her trademark applications and
registrations despite her being the rightful owner now the estate.
By the way, this is a different thing than what
I the conflict I was referring to earlier, because prior
to all of this, Apollonia was complaining about something else
related to this organization and the Paisley Park Recording studio.
But apparently that's a completely separate thing. So I don't
know whatever happened with that. I guess nothing, but this
is this is interesting. So now the Estate has responded
via a written statement posted on Prince's official social media channels,
quote regrettably, Miss Patty Kataro aka Apolonia filed a frivolous
lawsuit as she acknowledges Apollonia is the name Prince gave
to the character played by Miss Kataro in Prince's movie
Purple Rain over forty years ago. We never instructed her
to sease using her adopted professional name, nor did we
object to her business activities. In fact, we repeatedly offered
her opportunities to perform at Paisley Park using this professional name.
Speaker 2: Unquote. So because wait, can.
Speaker 3: We mention the fact that he didn't come up with
it out of thin air? It's her middle name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, her middle name is with the name right right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the way they're talking about it really galls me
because it's like, do you remember when when Prince was
in a fight with the label and he wrote slave
across his cheek. Yeah, and he wouldn't use the name
Prince because of the way they were using his name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he became an unpronounceable symbol. Yes, And the artist
formerly known as the same.
Speaker 3: Damn thing being done in reverse to her, Well, it's
her middle name. He didn't pull it out of thin air. No, Yes,
he named the character that, but it's her right.
Speaker 1: Well, but the other weird thing is they're they're claiming
they never told her not to use the name. So
I don't I don't know what the hang up is here.
There's more than this article. But I wonder if maybe
there's a matter of how she uses the name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they've gotten in the way of her trying
to trademarcket herself her own name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, own herself.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's true, right, she wants to be able
to own the name. It says here. Also, h oh,
this is also.
Speaker 3: I remember they said that they that the name doesn't
belong to her personally or professionally. It's her middle name.
How does that not belong to her personally?
Speaker 1: There are are exceptions though, trademark law and copyright law
and intellectual property. It's all very fascinating to me, But there's.
Speaker 3: There say it doesn't belong to her.
Speaker 2: But there's there's but there are there are exceptions.
Speaker 1: Just as a random example, because Hall and Oates, for example,
they recently settled.
Speaker 3: Uh oh did they finally?
Speaker 1: They finally through arbitration, they settled their whole legal dispute.
But so let's say, for example, your name is Daryl Hall,
and you have a friend named John Oates and you
decide you're going to form a musical duo and go
out and perform, and those are your real names. It
doesn't matter. You're still gonna get slapped down for that,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's different. That's something happening after the fact.
The creation of Apollonia, the character came in part out of.
Speaker 2: Her right, Well, I'll tell me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he named the character after he cast her, not before.
He didn't come up with the name Apollonia and then go, oh, look,
I found a chick who has the Appollodia middle name.
That's not what happened. I met her, wanted to cast
her and then name the character her middle name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know what Prince's long term intentions
were with that, but I do know it can get complicated.
Dealing with Prince was complicated because Morris Day of Morris
Day in the Time. Sure, he's talked about that, how
difficult that was. Because you know, so you watch you
you watch the movie, and of course Morris Day on
the Time as one of the bands in the movie.
And then but if you do some digging, you find
out that was really Prince's band. You know, he put
he put those guys together, Uh, Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis,
who went on to become very successful producers. Uh they
produced Janet Jackson and stuff. But they were also a
part of that band along with Morris Day. That that
was the time. That was Prince's creation. And then and
then so Morris Day had problems with you know, so
later on years after Purple Rain, he's trying to tour
as Purple Rain. I mean, I'm sorry, as Purple He's
trying to tour as Morris Day on the time, and
he's got, he's got he's getting a hard time.
Speaker 3: About it because if she was trying to use Apollonius,
no I'm not, I'm not which was her, But now
I'm a c No, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that's com dealing with Prince was complicated.
That was That was my only point.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: It is true. But it is interesting that you bring
that up because he did create the time, just like
he did create Apollonia six, which was her with.
Speaker 2: Two other girls.
Speaker 3: Was so weird, right, six but three people, and you know,
and that was his creation, and that was music. He
created her and in the name Apollonia, I'm sorry, it's
her middle name. Let her use her dang name.
Speaker 2: They should, well, they are trying.
Speaker 3: To use Apollonius. No, but they're stopping own her own name.
And that I find I find is really upsetting to
me because it completely flies in the face of what
Prince did in his time to have ownership of himself
and what he did to teach the music world about
ownership of health, ownership of artistry. Right, the whole that
went on for like how many how long did that
go on? Was it two years?
Speaker 2: Longer than that that went on?
Speaker 3: That he was fighting with them to honor himself, and
that's what he was fighting for. This is to me,
this is this is the same damn thing. It's her
middle name. It's her name, right, he can pull it
out of thin air. He named the character after her, Yeah, right,
she should get to use it. She should be able
to own them saying that them them saying she has
no ownership to no right to it, personally or professionally.
The personally really gets me because it's her middle name.
She has every right to it. I don't know how
many people I've met in my lifetime that go by
their middle name, or like parents, especially like guys who
have sons named Junior, instead of calling him Junior, they
might call him David the middle name, or instead of
little Bill and big Bill. You know exactly exactly. They
should let her own her own dang name. They shouldn't
be so selfish. Well, and new sides effect, why are
you paying so much attention to this princess state? How
about the eight thousand or whatever songs you've got in
that vault. You got enough music in that vault to
be releasing an album like every year for the rest
of my life and beyond. So why aren't you concentrating
on that. You've got a ton of money making material.
Leave her alone, let her own her dang name. That's
my opinion on it.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing, too is I don't know from
their I mean, I guess they're going to I guess
their attitude is they're going to defend the intellectual property
of quote unquote the estate, no matter what, and and
but and I understand that from a legal perspective to
a point.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, what value.
Speaker 3: Like collectual property here?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, but.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though from a financial standpoint, like what
value is that name specifically in terms of market like
what are you marketing where you're making money off of
the name Apollonia?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 2: I refer to her too.
Speaker 3: They refer to her as Patty.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I noticed that. I noticed that.
Speaker 3: No Patricia, appolonial Kataro, because they're not gonna use the
whole name because I don't want you. They don't want
you the public to know that that's actually her middle name.
People believe that he pulled it out of thin air
and named her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most people.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what people think. I would be. I would,
I would, I would go out on a limon say
that probably eighty percent of the American public believes that
Prince pulled the name out of thin air and that's
where the name came from, not that it was actually
her middle name, right, you know that For them to
I just seriously, they have so much money already, and
there's so much material to make billions of dollars more.
How much money do you need? Grotesque greed? Let the
child have her name.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you? Uh, they say too.
Speaker 1: In their statement, the lawyers for the estate quote miss
Kataro's unwarranted lawsuit comes at the tail end of years
long disputes before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board concerning
trademark registrations in which rulings are imminent and with respect
to which we have sought a settlement numerous times despite
her highly unreasonable demands. Unsurprisingly, her suit fails to acknowledge
the cancelation of her Apollonia registration by the United States
Patent and Trademark Office. We look forward to the rulings
and the pending trademark proceedings and a dismissal of Miss
Gato's recent federal action as is, as is our duty,
we will continue to protect and preserve Prince's assets and legacy.
Speaker 3: Un Prime me a river with that bowl of a
mot of malaccy Seriously, I bet you money that they
had something to do with the cancelation of that trademark.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, maybe they.
Speaker 3: Won't leave her alone to have it their calaiming her.
Frivolous I call you, frivolous, Princess state, Yeah, leave her alone,
let her have her middle name, let her live it's
her name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, leave her.
Speaker 3: You know they made that character together utilizing her middle name.
Speaker 2: Leave him both alone.
Speaker 3: You've got tons of money to make in that vault.
Oh my god, Like, really, what if they released from
the vault anything and they have how many late thousands
and thousands. They're so dis disclosively, so much music in
there that they could quite literally release songs for the
rest of my life and not run out, and your
life probably and not run out. He has so much
material in there, and they've all admitted to it, but
they're sitting on it, like you want to make money,
there you go, you got a you got a vault
full of probably a billion dollars, not not even exaggerating.
Speaker 2: Right, go do that?
Speaker 3: Why this?
Speaker 2: Why this?
Speaker 3: Why are we being so petty