Speaker 1: Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and thankfully welcome back to the
Daredevil Born Again reviews series. This is season two, episode one.
I am the dude Gooder trust Now I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By Hey, Dylan Muss here, Yes.
Speaker 1: The original Netflix boys for the Yeah, it's a good
old reunion going on here. But yeah, Taylor and Kirklumb
different things come up, so they will be on in
the next weeks to fall. We got about I think
it's seven weeks of Daredevil. We're gonna talk about the
very end. Two things. They reviewed wonder Man and they
dated this Punisher special and I got synopsis for you, Dylan.
It's some crazy stuff happening, Frank. Just wait to hear
the synopsis. But obviously the next few weeks it'll be
either us at a collection of the other four, sometimes
all of us four hopefully we'll see but for the
next eight to seven weeks it'll be all of us.
Are talking about spoilers for Born Again. For this episode,
we'll give like a quick overall. But as we've talked
about in the town Hall that we ditched the nonspoys
for every episode, but for this one, because it is
a premiere, we'll give a little backstory the Little Nonspoys
and the right of Spois. But we will give you
a warning. But after this every episode will be spoils
on and then of course we will be fun doing
the Punisher. What is it one last kill? So that's
a special presentation and if you like what we got
going on, man, we're just for years. In the past
decade overflowing with Daredevil, me and Dylan reviewed the original series.
As I quoted the Netflix boys back in the day,
we'd watch in a whole weekend do it last year,
Kirkland and Tail for the first time watched that show.
Then we also reviewed every single episode of Born Again,
and then currently on the lead up to the Punisher special,
Taylor and Kirkland, because they've never seen the Netflix show,
they're reviewing those. And then we're also reviewing the Dulph
Lungern Punsher, the Four Punsher, and the Nine Punisher. So
that's all Patreon on the Face two feed coming up.
All those episodes will be out before May twelve. We
were kind of waiting for a date. They were gonna
be sprinkledut a little bit more. But before the Punisher
retrospective you'll have all five episodes there to look forward to.
More stuff I can promote. We'll talk about that layer.
Let's get right into this because Daredevil off see a
big thing here, GV. I feel like we were very excited.
I feel like Taylor and Kirkland got very excited on
the build up and then obviously for a bunch of reasons.
Everyone knows. We've talked about it to death as far
as Daredevil season one where they shot a bunch and
they stopped and reshot a bunch and it was kind
of a Frankenstein monster esque sort of season. Remember not
Franken steinkirkl and that's the Doctor. But as season that,
I feel like we all had some highs but then
some big lows or some mixes. So I feel like
we and to give an example, we do our Golden
Geeks and we picked our three most anticipated MSU projects
of the year. This season didn't even get on there.
Dylan we picked, and we picked what was a Doomsday
Spierman and the Punisher special presentation because we all had
some I think trepidation going in or luckily this year
it is all the same, not creditors, creators, not corrections,
creators and writers. So it's everybody you know from Stern Finish,
one group of people, one gang of people, A bunch
of the stars are back. Let's like everyon wool has
big role this season. So all set, it's a bit
more hopeful. But now seeing season or episode one of
this new season, is the hope rising? Is it middling
or is it nose diving? Where are you right now?
Off stage? Just episode one? Uh, just non spoils to
start off, but then after we're going to spoil. So yeah,
where are you after this episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems I would say the first episode was
definitely a bit of a slow burn. Of course, you
do get like a couple of action sequences, and there
is some more bigger things that are happening, a couple
of spicy things, for sure. But I do feel like it, you.
Speaker 1: Know, whose boat was it?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: Whose boat was it? You know?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who's That's a large boat to have a
question about too, But yeah, I feel like there, yeah,
so there's a lot of things that are are cooking,
getting ready. But I also feel like, you know, with
some of these shows, there's so many plot lines. There's
an A plot, B C, D, e F and I
feel like this episode it was trying to at least
introduce all of them and kind of reintroduce all of them,
get them back to where, you know, catch you up.
Although it feels like it kind of picks up exactly
where we left off last time. It's like a direct
to continue. So because that, it does feel like it
would stretched a little bit thin, Like I assume next
episodes we're going to get more focused time on, like
certain storylines, push things through and you know, get a
little one off episode arcs, whereas this kind of felt
like just yeah, that that introduction, that appetizer before the
rest of the main course, and hopefully a dessert at
the end. So I enjoyed it. There's definitely some good
stuff in here that the episode ended in a way
that's pretty exciting as well. But yeah, I think overall,
nothing too crazy so far. But I you know, off
to a good start, which you know sometimes these Disney
Plus shows don't have that, so you know, that's at
least better than nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm right with you where it't echo
that because even last year, right, I feel I had
maybe some minor issues, but I remember enjoying mature. I
think I had some overall, like some over arcing issues.
But I remember the episode itself, enjoying the pilot. That's
when they reshop, but that didn't foretow the rest of
the season, right because it was kind of Iffy's. So
I don't think this is like I'm with you, where
I liked it. I think this is definitely more of
a setup. I'm I'm curious. Next week we're getting the
double of the two and three and they're doing that
because I actually don't even know why they're doing that
because it's Disney plus, you could just you know, release.
Speaker 2: You just to do that before Punisher special releases? Is
that why?
Speaker 1: I guess so, because that's what happens is darreedel Lance
then the week after the Punisher Special comes out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, for wonder why they picked those two episodes
that seems.
Speaker 1: My theory is, I bet episode two is another episode
like this where maybe it's a bit of a slow burner,
and I feel like what's gonna happen is they didn't
maybe want two slow burners back to back with one
and two, where my theory is, okay, slow episode two
is made a bit more of a slow burner, but
then three is gonna be something han heavy or cliffhanger,
or like when Jones comes in and then they're like, okay,
now I'm right right, yeah, yeah, that's why I feel
like that's gonna be happening. So we'll be curious next
week to see with episode two. But I think that's
always a good thing where if there's a slower one,
they should do that, right. But uh no, I think
I'm right in line with you where this doesn't automatically
make me go okay, seasons you know, gonna be perfect
in the old school dared double, here we go. But
it's a good start. I'm like all the stories. I
feel it's doing so far a good job of bouncing.
I think sometimes my complaining with these shows, and that's
all these type of shows when it's Daredevil and CW
did this lot where okay, the show is called Daredevil.
But then sometimes I feel like Matt Murdock is sure
he's the main character, but he might take quite a
bit of a backseat. Right where it did feel like
he was the main character. We would see scenes of
Cherry or other people alone, but always feel like, okay,
Matt would be at them and then they kind of
go do something else and then back to Matt. That's
my thing of I'm not saying I don't want. You
can't have a show with no side characters, right, that'd
be done, But you still want at its core to
be Daredevil. And that's why I feel this is doing
good job where I feel like with the last season
because it was kind of that weird rebootqual kind of
thing they're doing. They're introducing a lot of characters and
I think ones we didn't really enjoy either, so at
least that's luckily we already know them, so I think
that's good. The bounce has been good. I'm like in
the storylines they've introduced so far, I think yet ends
in a very intriguing way away that I'm I'm not
mixed on as far as a positive or negative. I
just don't know. I'm gonna have to hit you with
it how I feel about the certain direction they're gonna
go with said character. I still think there's one thing
from last season that's hanging on this season that needs
to go the faster, the sooner. Maybe I'm heartless and
we'll get into it. I think, you know what I'm
talking about I think everyone knows I'm talking about. But yeah,
so far, I'd say, like, as a start, two thumbs up.
Now let's see what the middle is and the end
is and everything. I think they were smart to start
with an action scene. I think it's always good with Daredevil,
min I suppose, but they did so yeah, so far,
I'm I'm excited to be back in the Daredevil world,
and I'm hoping we can. If it could stay this
consistent and then a little bit better, then I think
that's already big win over last season. And then I
can kind of be actively excited because luckily they are
filming Daredevil season three right now, so it's a good
thing where it's not even like, oh is that happening?
So my hope is that they like this team, they
like the direction, they were happy with it, and offsely,
we've talked about how last year the numbers for the
show were a little bit lighter than I think they wanted.
But with that with Wonder Man, it kind of seems
like maybe that's not the be all end all right now.
I think it's probably more that shows that are cheaper,
you know, shows that aren't.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that makes sense, if you're even talking about
like the weird kind of marketing for this season in particular,
And so it seems like, are you doing this to
get more people to subscribe to Disney Plus or I like,
how exactly are you trying to pitch this thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or is it just to salvate the people that
are already there? Right?
Speaker 2: Like, uh no, I mean it got me to resubscribe.
I haven't been onsus probably last season, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have those pocketive people. But it's like,
is there anyone that's never watched Sdared Devils suscribe this?
Probably not right, it's probably people like.
Speaker 2: If I didn't do this podcast, I would not know
this season was coming out, just because I haven't seen
anything about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, that's another non spoiler of thoughts. So
we'll get into spoilers right now. And we're back. I
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me start with over in fisks camp. You
know obviously we start out with the kind of tug boat.
It's not really tug boat. It's a big ass uh freight.
Why can't I remember the name of what this big
boat is called?
Speaker 1: Uh that? Oh yeah, I can't remember either, because.
Speaker 2: A big ship's cargo cargo ships that you know, good
good action scene. I guess the two action sequences we
get in this, I mean, I think one of the
things that's fun about Daredevil as a character and the
way the choreography is done in particularly the Daredevil show,
And it's probably comes down to the budget that you mentioned.
It's just like the smaller enclosed spaces. I feel like
most often big Marvel fights are like you know, in
cities and you're smashing into buildings and it's a huge scale.
So it's fun to have like very like claustrophobic fights.
Obviously that goes back to like the iconic hallway scenes
and whatnot. But yeah, that action seed starts out good.
But yeah, I guess I wanted to ask you what's
going on with who's the actor who plays Shaggy and
is this new character?
Speaker 1: Matthew Lillard?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is this like a comic book guy that
you're familiar with this character? Do you know do you
kind of have suspicions of where this is going? Without
spoiling things for.
Speaker 1: Me, Luckily, I think I'm safe. I think right now,
as far as we know the viewers that I think
he is a new character. There could always be a
chance that he's inspired by somebody or turned out to
be somebody.
Speaker 2: Of two characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not anyone right now. Where it's like, Oh,
just wait, this is gonna be somebody. I think right now,
it's just a dude, Like I think they could do something,
but I don't also think it's gonna be like, oh
and I'm doctor Fear or something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, people thought it was confused too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a Scarecrow equivalent in the Daredevil universe.
A lot of people thought he was that, and Okay,
maybe it could be, but I don't think he has anybody,
and if he has made, it's someone that's like a
minor character. But let me do if I do.
Speaker 2: I was kind of streaking about how different of a
character he appears to be within that particular clan of people,
just in terms of him being like a bit more silly,
a bit more quirky.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He's like coming in the room a little bit late,
and he's like eating his food and he's not really
paying attention, and he's not just like under Fisk's thumb
the whole time. And he obviously has like some power
and some sway and he's able to get that governor
guy to immediately. I was kind of hoping it would
maybe get like an episode or something of Fisk having
to be under what was the word under some oversight,
but they're like, within like a minute, they're like, oh no,
you're good. You can do whatever you want again. But yeah,
he obviously has a lot of power, but he's a
character I don't know who he is, and he doesn't
seem to be attached to government in any way, so
he's some sort of criminal underworld ringleader boss kind of guy.
But yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm intrigued to
see where we go with this. And this is an
actor who I probably haven't seen him anything since Scooby
Doo as a kid, so it's fun to see him
in here, and I'm curious to see where where this
character goes.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see five and Net Preds that movie?
Speaker 2: I never did know.
Speaker 1: Okay, don't worry about it. He's in there, but yeah,
I don't worry about it. You know. I looked even
like the character that has named Charles, and that's and
Daredevil's like a nothing like had a couple things in
the arc that was just like a junkie or something.
So unless they're pulling the wool over our eyes, because again,
back in the day, they did do that with I
can't remember what her fake name was, but remember Catherine
or Katherine Hahn was something Arcness or something like that.
But she ended up being Oh, yeah, that is the
whole thing that the whole timeone's like it's Agatha, Like
we go, we kind of figure that out where this
is like if it's someone that is a code, it's
not like an obvious like, oh, there's all these signs.
I think he is just an original character. I think
Daredevil you can do that because he looks like he's
he's not a fixer per se, but kind of he
looks like because I kind of forgot that they had
this port right that for some reason we thought was
kind of unbelievable, but still they had this port, but
that they can illegally it does it's not technically owned
by New York or something, and they can illegally or
not even illegally, they can legally transport weapons and bads
good there because they have like, no, what is that
jurisdiction over that area? Right, So that's I guess the
way I'm taking is he's just kind of a fixer
for the people that use that. With Kingpin, obviously, they're
kind of viewing that Hey, a boat just went down,
probably with millions of you know, weapons, gear, whatever it
may be, and Fis kind of seemed Fist seemed more
mad about it, just being dreed ough right, He didn't
even seem mad about the guns or anything, just like, oh,
this devil like seems that he's back, right, So I
take him he's just kind of like this fixer and
I am interested because I think Matthew Lillard is a
very fun actor. I think he's very chaotic. I think
he has this He's one of those guys that it's
kind I wish he kind of blew up more. I
feel like he has a chemistry similar to like a
Nick Cage or John Travolta, where it's just it's just
Matthew Lillard, right, you can't no one else could be
Matthew lil and kind of bring that energy to him.
So he brings something a radic to this character that
looks like he's you know, with the office people, with
the superiors, but he's a bit more frantic, right. And
I love their dinner conversation of oh no, I didn't
mean to offend you and Fist right, what you did, Defender,
and like that was a good kind of very abrasive
and kind of talking down to Vanessa, which we know
Fist doesn't like. At the same time, like you said,
seems like he he's not higher ranking than Fists, but
it's not like a guy it seems like he can
just take out right away, right. He maybe tied to
some other stuff. So I think that's always good when
Fisk has someone above him, because especially last season, feels
like no one's above him now right with the Law,
he's the mayor. The superheroes are on the run, So
it's good to have this guy. I'm not sure where
he's going to factor in of I could see it
both ways. If he's just working with Fisk, or maybe
he's a guy that would double cross Fist to kind
of for business, right, so yeah, I don't know which.
Or he could just die, right, So that's the thing
I'm I hope this character is a good addition because
I think last year we suffered from a lot of
build up to Muse and I think we were all thought, oh,
this could be a good kind of Daredevil's rogue, and
it kind of went nowhere, right. I think when Matthew Little,
at least for the acting Wise can give some some
fun scenes there, but I also want the character to
mean something and not just yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think he'll be in all these episodes a
little bit at least, or is he just gonna like
pop in every once in a while.
Speaker 1: If this season is eight episodes, I'm gonna say he's
in five to six. They might be smaller scenes, but
I feel like with that setup when they said, oh,
can you give a call and he said, oh, well,
I'll just go there. I need the miles. Anyways, he
flew out to be in New York, right, So I
feel like it kind of weird if he just popped
up and went away, unless it was kind of a
because obviously they're filming season three. Maybe he is just
like alluding to him, and maybe they take care of
Fist this season and he's like the big bad or
a big bad in season three, Right, I don't think that.
I do think Fisk is getting taken care of this
season because I don't think you can do Mayor Fisk
for too long. Like I love that he didn't lose
last season, but I also think eventually has to run
its course. And we've talked about this with Spider Man.
It is always gonna be weird of Spider Man's run
around and all this bad stuff is happening and he
don't care, right, I know it's sam seen a lot
of times that doesn't happen, but that's when it's like, oh,
where's Thor Well, he's on a different planet. Spider Man
literally lives in New York, right, it's all these people
that are getting these anti Vigilanti task Force. He should
be swinging around helping, you know. It shouldn't just be mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Spidy would come in and be like, oh, this
ship's going down, I gotta help bring it back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, today now he's doing nothing. But so yeah, I'm
excited for the potential. And again it's potential because maybe
at the end of the season, well they really did
nothing with them. They got a fun actor, which we've
talked about many Disney plus from all this stuff right
where there's a very fun actor and they do nothing
with it, right, Like look at John Carlo in Brave
New World. John Carlo is an amazing actor. Sidewinder non
amazing character, right, amazing actor, a great character. It does
not make so absolutely, we'll see do you think, what
do you what do you think? His survival chances for
this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that, as you mentioned that
dinner scene between them, the tension there was really interesting,
where you know, He's like, hey, we gotta do this job,
but then we got to kill all the people who
like do this job, and Fisk was adverse that, which
is almost surprising. I thought he's kind of disposable with
his people to some extent. But I mean, I guess
in order to I guess that helps with the mayor image.
You can't just re risking things like that. He's trying
to take fewer risks as he accrues more power, I suppose.
But to me, that seemed like maybe that was gonna
be part of their disagreement and maybe somehow Fiscal will
accumulate more power by like sharing with these workers that like, oh,
this guy was just gonna kill you, but I'll take
you in and take you into my side or something. Now,
I don't know. It seems like he just uses random
people from there around the world who have no identity essentially,
So I don't know if that'll actually be a thing
long term, but I feel like already I can see
that there's some tension there and Fisk is gonna want
to take him out and maybe that gets him into
hot water. But I don't I don't think. I don't
see like this other criminal faction coming in and that
being like the downfall of Fisk. I feel like we're
more focused on Daredevil and other characters that are gonna
come together to rise up against him. I don't know
if that faction will really come into play, So I'm
I think maybe I'll predict that he's a bit of
a smaller role, a smaller role in the show overall.
But I would like to be wrong about that, because yeah,
I did like his performance, and again, I feel like
he did shake up the chemistry of like the people
in that office. You know that that was a bit
more lively than some of those scenes have been, particularly
in season one. I do like the other guy who
like the British guy who is going off and that
did that hit. Yeah, I thought he had a good
gravitas this episode. So I was good to see him back.
Speaker 1: He was good, and that office he was interesting because
when he came in, Fiscal was like almost very happy.
He was like, oh yeah, another as of my hole.
But then, like you said, the dinner scene was a
very different dynamic. So again, maybe he thought it was
just gonna be this guy coming in like, oh, he's
completely with me, and him kind of rocking the boat
a little bit. Again, I don't know. I think he's
gonna survive. I just could also just see him being
a minor role that maybe when Fisk is at his
wits end, he kind of makes the final blow to
like save face. It's not like kill him, but like
if they turn him in or something like that.
Speaker 2: With me, Yeah, maybe he tries to like pin it
on this guy or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or vice versa, right that he kind of he
pins it on. I think either way, they could turn
each other that way. So I'm not sure because I
don't know what's gonna happen off ste Vanessa's always a factor, right,
She's the one that got Foggy killed last year by
hiring balls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't really have anything of her own in
this episode. Maybe that's one of the I wonder how
much of her because last of the season she kind
of had her own storyline, you know, and obviously there
was also the Fisks stuff, but she didn't really get
that introduction here, So I wonder if she's gonna take
a bit of a backseat this season, or if you know,
they just didn't have time for that in episode one
because there were so many other things going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it looks like they're on therapy now. Looks
like they're still happy that way, which is good. And
that is the one thing my nonspoils. And I don't
think anyone will disagree. I think just has to has
to go Heather Man. I just I've said this for it.
I don't think the actress is bad. It's just a
curious case of it feels so kind of off the
side where all the Fists stuff is making sense, all
the dared Elves are making sense. And again that's where
the season could prove to be better than last because
maybe this Heather stuff will come in. I imagine what's
gonna happen is she just gets pushed her limit and
finally cracks and gets help stare it out or the
cops or somebody. I think it's just it's it's odd
where we all talked about last year where her turn
to the fist side was very under baked, and I
get it. Of course you're supposed to care for the humans,
but in this world where you know, swordsmen, she's falsifying
evidence against some orst testimony, right, and we're also getting
these PTSD flashbacks or whatever visions of Muse following her around.
I just don't know like it. Maybe it sounds as
a bad human for me, but I just don't know
why I'm supposed to care about her being under this
trauma when she is actively hurting other people that are
you know, sortsman. You're gonna argue how innocent he is,
but you know she's probably hurting other innocent people that
we're just trying to be superheroes, right, or she's even
in the cause. So I guess I just don't know
what I'm supposed to take from this character. I said
to Emily, my hope is that she kind of makes
a babyface turn really early and then fist kills her,
because I just don't think there's much especially now too,
if Matt wasn't with Karen and be like, oh, maybe
they're gonna get them back together and there'll be an item.
As we'll talk about in a bit, Matt and Karen
are fully linked back together, right, So I just I
don't see a place for in a show. It feels
very much like when we talk about this season has
those concurrent greads, this still feels like something of a
previous marriage that they've brought along, Like like I didn't
want this, uh you know this this shelf right or
this TV right, but my ex didn't have room, so
I took it. But man, it's a hassled so heavy,
Like how do I get rid of it? That's what
Heather as a character kind of feels like. It feels
like if it's a different show and I just don't
know what they're and I just don't care. It's not
anything was bad. I liked to receive a swordsman again.
I think i'd almost just rather her just be may
just completely evil then and just get her to choose scenery. Bit.
I just I know they're trying to maybe feel torn
about this character, maybe feel for her. I do not
actively right now, Dylan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I suppose if it's just the purpose
of this is just to show how much fisk Kit
is fucking with like due process and you know, just
going dumping through all these hoops to get what he wants,
essentially by butting up with you know people. Obviously, the
cops have all joined his crew, and like they have
this like hit squad, and now they have this person
as well who's essentially overlapping with over overwriting like what
would otherwise be like a psyche Vaut, like a regular
psyche vl and then go through the actual court process
as he's talking about there. But you're right that, like
in terms of her actual do I have investment in
the character? Not really, And I just don't see Yeah,
as you mentioned, Matt's doing other things. I don't see
him kind of trying to shack up with her again
or like reconcile or anything like that. So don't really
know what the purpose of this role is other than
maybe do you think Jock's gonna be like quite a
bit bigger character this season, Like he's gonna be one
of the main people on the on the crew with
Daredevil or something. I feel like maybe they're setting that
up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I would like that because unless if we have some
sort of because everyone's always speculting, right, like, is Luke
Cage gonna pop up his iron fists and maybe there's
always a chance that's a surprise. So obviously Jessica's in
the season, right, so that could happen I wouldn't mind
him join the forces, even if he kind of like perishes,
because I don't think we're getting a hot like maybe
we'll get a hawk High season two. I'll take that back,
but I don't think we're getting in a way where
this guy's gonna play a big role in the MCU.
So I think if there's like a hero's journey a
little bit where maybe he's on trial, breaks out, joins
it with Matt and kind of redeem because he's like
on the villain side. Think in Hawkey they still established
it he was like stealing stuff. I think it was
kind of like a Robin Hood sort of stealing from
the rich. But still there's some some blurriness going on there, right,
still criminal acts, So I hope, but maybe he could
also just be tied to Heather's story of Hey, this
character was at least in the MSU, it makes her
story a little bit bigger if it's a character from
a different show. But to your point, like, I think
you're exactly right as far as them showing the him
messing with due process, But at the same time, it's
I know it's not always been due process, but haven't
we been doing this since Stared Evil season one of like, yeah,
showing all this is how Fisk does. It's like, I'm
we know how he does. Like he always finds a way, right,
It's always he gives people money when he finds out
that they've had an affair or they're doing drugs. Any blackmails, ye,
right and even and that's what's worth about Heather, Like
she just that's not even happening. She just joined him.
She's not being blackmail nothing like that. She just hated vigilantes, Like, oh,
I'm with you now, Fisks. So that's I'm kind of
hoping we say by this character early on, I hope
Hesh's a hero hero play and then see Heather till
I don't know, never, I guess Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like he's kind of done everything to
do with this character. So yeah, I agree with you
on that. Yep.
Speaker 1: So speaking of we kind of got this information leading
up to it. But to speak on the other side
of her not getting back with Matt fully forced you're
not even up to one. I thought, Okay, maybe there's
gonna be a build up to it. No, Matt does
this whole boat mission, which the boat mission felt very
that's when the show does like, oh it's on Disney Plus.
I get it's still on a bigger scale, but it's
like big action scene. Matt's falling into like an uncharted
QuickTime cut scene like water thing. He looks back the
boat sinking stuff we never saw on the Netflix thing, right,
we wouldn't see Matt Murdock in like a big water
like whatever being sucked up. But it's fine. I think
it all worked. There's one moment too. They did this
a couple times, but this one specifically. I think they
did this last year, but when he was in tuning
with his ear sense and it like zoomed in on
him and it made they I had screen in a
full screen Very cool. I love when they're doing that
type of stuff. It's a good visual flare. But he
stops this boat, which that's a boat hand that had
a bunch of weapons, illegal firearms are the tip of stuff,
stops them, goes home Karen's trading, and right away they
just they just get it on. They establish their back together.
No speeches, no kind of IF's and or butt and
night things. So how do you feel about that? There's
no kind of build up there, just back as a couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we only have eight episodes. You know,
we're already in eighth of the way through this through
this season, and we have a lot of other characters
to get to in a lot of big storyline, especially
if you mentioned if we are going to wrap up
the or wrap up quote unquote the Kingpin stuff this season,
and we got a lot to do, so you know what,
we don't need to screw around. Let's just get right
into it. We can kind of assume that any gaps
of like them getting to this point in the relationship
is just covered by the fact that we're in a
new season and there could be some amount of time
that passed in between. But also like they've known each
other for a long time, so I'm sure if they
wanted to get together, it's very quick for them to like,
you know, skip past in those early steps and just
be there. So yeah, I really like the dynamics so far.
It's it's fun. I like that we're just right into it.
And yeah, I mean I like that they're not It's
it's not just that she is, you know, his girlfriend
or something like that, which can happen in shows like this,
Like she has her own storyline going on. She's she's
getting up to stuff. She's training as well, which is
fun to see. I thought her. Two funny things with
her though, is one. I thought that her her wanted
poster was very funny, Like the pictures they had were
like very very silly choices. One was like, yeah, just
like I don't know, very classic, just you know, catching,
like very paparazzi shot.
Speaker 1: It was very funny making.
Speaker 2: And then when she had like her her disguise, she
just looks like, especially with the eyeliner, she looks so
much to me like Olivia Wilde in Trony, which took
me out of it a little bit because it's it's
kind of goofy. But uh yeah, I like what she's
up to so far, and I like what they're what
they're doing together. It's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As I've said before, never a not never a
fan in this iteration, I like Matt with Elektra, and
I want Karen to be with Frank. I'm over that
we're going so in that sense, I'm with Dylan Ware.
I didn't need like two three episodes of ho hum,
like oh should we do this? Blah blah blah. I
also feel like it's I'm curious, what's gonna happen if again,
my pitch is I to both last episode with Kirkle
in the newscast. My hope is that sounds bad. My
hope is that Matt goes to prison in this season
because there's a great story arc in the comics where
Darrey Devil gets locked in the prison, and I think
that'd be just so fascinating of Charlie Cox his rogue gallery,
and then it's like, you're like, what if Bullseye Kingpin,
other characters, maybe mister Charles always characters get locked in
prison and he's in there with them. I've always loved
that arc, and I think there's always there's a chance.
I'm like fifty to fifty on that. I think that's
actually gonna happen. But in that's yeah, I think it's
a comic arc by Bendez is amazing, So I'd love
to actually make that comic versions of it happens. But
I think that's just like, I'm curious if they if
that doesn't happen and they win and they get back
to normal life, if they're still gonna make this relationship work,
because it feels like it's two ways where they're living together,
it feels like all they can do is depend on
each other. And because there's like a past romantic attraction
all that stuff, you probably fall back into old ways.
But two, when they were reminiscing about Foggy like Nelson
Moroccan law, it also feels like it's kind of a
like a trauma bond, right, And I'm not saying that
can't survive, but sometimes that's not the healthiest way to
have a relationship going. Right. So it's like, Okay, are
they back together because of now all the time we've realized,
you know what we do, love each other. You're my
Mary Jane, You're my Selena Kyle, and that's what we're
gonna do. Or is it just happening right now? Like
if they get back to normal life, are they gonna
split part ways? Because like what if Karen gets exonerating
she's ding a normal reporting and she's a normal life
and doesn't want to be. I guess I can't say
that though Karen always is in the shit now, you know,
I feel like she's established he's there, and I think,
like you said, it's good that she's not just there.
She's fighting. I love the uh she has all these
different wigs. I love the connection because we talked about
this last year and it didn't happen because the whole
different craters. But then I feel like we maybe had
ace and I don't even think so, but we've talked about, like, oh,
Bibi and Karen got a link up because of that history,
right and right away episode one, it links up. He
prefers that original show of hey he trained me, your
uncle means a big deal. And I also kind of
get him killed, got him killed because if people don't remember,
Karen led Ben York to an old folks on them
that had Kingpin's mother in it for some information. He
didn't even know where Karen was taking him. She just
did it without his permission, just to like egg him
on to crack the story. So it's I love that
connection already, and I hope we get more of that
because it's kind of they can mirror each other. So yeah,
everything with Karen's good. They always have at least good chemistry,
so I'll take that, And yeah, I'm curious where that
character goes. I also think that if they end up happy,
I think there's always a chance he's on the chopping block.
But I think I said in our predictions with Kirk
and I don't think they'd take out Foggy and her
back to back because I feel like, right, I feel
like for original show, people might be kind of a
slap in the face. So that's why I'm going with
my theory of they'll finally be happy, but Matt will
end up in a prison like I feel like there'll
be something else to break them up. It's not death
or something like that, because I just again, I know
they're going back to some things, but I don't know
if you want to lose Karen Anne Foggy because I
think there's still a lot of people that were burned
by that. I still don't think Foggy's coming back. I
know there's always that theory there was a comic book
run where Foggy was alive. I just don't think so,
especially can't remember what they said.
Speaker 2: I thought you were on that train last season.
Speaker 1: I think I was, but now I don't think I am.
I think with everything happening with the Punisher Special, with
Jones coming back, it feels like they have bigger aces
in the hole, like if they didn't have that stuff,
like oh, maybe they have something back, but it's like, eh,
we can move forward, and I just wonder and especially
to what we'll talk about. I think it makes it
more interesting. I guess we have transition there now. There's
other stuff in the episode, but we're going to the end.
Is so at the end terrible position for Daredevil. Uh,
he's going to meet with Cherry. Cherry. I think they
kind of have some text code that he's in trouble,
like a yes or no. But anyways, kids know, Cherry's
getting beat up by these cops. He hasn't been beat
up in along or these you know cop you know,
vigil Or, the task Force. I'll say, yeah, they punch him,
you know, Charlie comes in there, he's beating them up.
There's a few things in this scene. One Cherry starts
to have a heart attack and his heart is you know,
palpating is going really fast and everything. He gets those
flashbacks of Foggy. I feel like, again, that's almost cheap
if like he's still having minor PTSD about Foggy and
it's like, oh, I'm just alive, right. But the bigger
reason is, and we'll talk about something else in the
scene that I want to get your opinion on. But
they beat it. He's worried about Cherry, he's having his
PTSD as freak out. They beat him down and they
took off his mask and then boom boo boom. Everyone
gets show on the head. A knife comes down with
the bulls Eye similarly says you're welcome. That's another reason
I want to get your opinion on this is because
whatever they're going to do, this uneasy relationship ortist maybe
redemption for bulls Eye if he's dead, that kind of
takes out some of them. That takes out all the
drama of that right of Yeah, Matt's at his lowest,
and to maybe take down Fiskey has to work with
the person he hates the most.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know, a person would be like he
almost killed he did, well, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: But he didn't mean to kill him, right, he through
off the roof. It's just because he has that healing factor, right,
And you could argue who does he hate more? King
Bin or Boleseye. It's a pretty toss up. I feel
like it's any day of the week he might change
his mind. So one, what do you think about that?
Safe and two what do you think about this potential
Bullseye redemption arc. We kind of tell this last season
where he went to Nelson and Morocc he was like
looking at all the posts. I kind of felt like
some remorse for that, And now it's he's saving Matt, Like,
how do you feel about that character? Who I think
they've made pretty gnarly in the show, Like not a
character you would root for other than having a traumatic childhood.
I think it's a very hard character to maybe redeem.
So what are you thinking about this this setup? Now
that we got he's he's looking after Matt, I guess
he's He's saved save Matt and Cherry's life in this episode.
Speaker 2: So mm hmmm. Yeah. I mean the action scene itself
I thought was really really well done. Again, just a
good claustrophobic space. Thought they used the the set very
well in there, So I like all that stuff. And yeah,
I mean I feel like, if anything, this this scene
also seemed to me like almost a bit of foreshadow
for another like potential downfall for Daredevil in the future.
In terms of right now he's like training up Karen.
Are we ever going to get a scene where like
him and Karen are fighting together, like in a sequence,
and how much is he going to be thrown off
by the fact that he's like sensing her being there,
her in pain, her getting hit, her heart rate increasing,
and stuff like that. So I feel like we're gonna
get that again in this season. And obviously that's like
his weakness here, is he just getting is getting so distracted,
and if his senses are being pulled to this other thing,
then his senses are not on what they need to be,
which is like dodging, you know, seven guys coming at
you at the exact same time. So they had him,
they had him dead to rights, and then you know,
he got very lucky there because, yeah, it almost was
gonna be that storyline of him going to prison, like
you mentioned, but at least the cowl or the mask
was taken off there, so at least some of these
cronies learned who he is as well. And I guess
I don't know if they're dead.
Speaker 1: Or not dead. I think they're headshot, and I think
there's a couple of guys that all of them.
Speaker 2: Die, though I guess we're assuming every single one of
them is dead.
Speaker 1: Then you can't speak to that. But I just feel like,
you know, because there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of them and some of them already knocked out. I
guess some of the ones that were knocked out didn't
see his face, Yeah, presumably, but yeah, I guess for
the sake of the identity knock getting out, I'll assume
that bulls Eye did kill the rest of them in
that in that sequence there, So all that stuff I
thought was great. And yeah, I mean, as you mentioned,
like this the the there's a reason bulls I didn't
come in the room and then throw like knives and stuff.
You know, he just like staying out the window. Yeah,
because he's probably trying to keep his distance here for
good reason. So I feel like that tension between them,
the drama is gonna be pretty juicy, pretty titillating, I think,
So I don't I wonder. I can't wait till we
get a scene of them actually having a conversation, because
I feel like Matt's gonna be either he's gonna try
and kill him again, which I doubt. I think he's
kind of maybe past going for the you know, now
that he's out of the heat of the moment. But
I feel like it's gonna be one of those things
of like, yeah, yeah, you can help me, but then
I want you going to prison afterwards, you know, which
is like, I don't think Bullseye is gonna go for
that part of the plan, so we'll see what happens there.
But either way, I feel like there could be some yeah,
really really good drama between those two, and then you know,
presumably Darbel brings him in because he needs the help,
and then you get another sequence of Bullseye and Karen
as well, and that could be another really intense scene
as well. So yeah, I think that's gonna be good fun.
I really really was happy that we got that little
teaser at the end of the episode.
Speaker 1: I would love it if you get a situation where
Matt slash Stair Devil is okay, we'll work together figure
out later, and if Karen maybe tries to take Bullseye
out and that because remember Karen is a bit more
i'll say nicer and Frank, right. I feel like anytime
Karen and Matt have talked about Frank, he's always like, hey,
Frank should be locked up. He's sick, he needs help,
and Karen's like, well, you know, he's been through some
stuff and he's current bad people. So I feel like
she's more on I don't think she's actively trying to
kill people, but I think there's there's definitely a few
lines for people that she would be fine with it happening.
So I would kind of love if there was like
a back door plan by Karen to like, Okay, I'm
gonna let him help us out, but at one point,
like if I get the opportunity to take you out,
I'm I'm taking it. And I would love that as
like maybe that's I don't again, don't necessarily need them
to break up, but if that's maybe a point of
contention with them as far as like, well, you know,
should we not get into prison? And she could also
call him out like hey, you tried to kill him once,
why can't I, et cetera. You know, obviously don't talk
about the healing because then that just takes the drama
out of it. If it's like, oh, I can just heal,
so that that's gone. But maybe she doesn't know that
I doesn't remember. Maybe she has some you know, adamantium
bullet something like that, right, like some smoking guns. So
uh yeah, let's look our last ad break and I'll
be right back and I'll share some bulls eye thoughts
and we're back. But yeah, for myself, I'm I love
the Bullseye character. I know, I'm excited to see how
Kirkhlam feels the season because he's always very iffy of
that character. But I think that character is just the
best kind of thing we've talked about before. It's just
like chaos theory, Like he just comes in there and
you don't know what's gonna happen. Right. You could believe
that he's gonna work with them and the second they
beat Fiskey could turn and kill them all right, or
he's just gonna break down and be a blubbering mess.
You really don't know. He's very fun, and I love
Wilson Biffel as that character. I think he just brings
a great unpredictability to him. I saw in the Red
Carpet they asked him but like a special presentation. I
would love that. I hope The Punisher one's a hit
because I would love just an hour with this guy
and what's his mind? Like, right, maybe it's he's a
higher assassin after the fact, but I think it's it's
interesting because we get these all the time, right, and
it's so fascinating right where I was in we talk
about the Star Wars trilogy, the sequel trilogy all the time.
I think because he had the love aspect, it was
I was like, Okay, I could see Kylo being redeemed
all that sort of stuff, but he's still like a
terrorist who helped killed multiple planets, right, But I never
think about that way, and they, oh, I can see it.
We're like boleseyes, kill a lot of people. Really, it's like,
let's just say this army. He's just killed Foggy. But
because of how well Charlie Cox's acted out and how
hard he was, I'm like, I can't ever feel like
I can cheer for this guy, like like I can
cheer from it as a character I like watching, but
can I see him, Like we get Defenders season two
and he's on the team, It's like, I don't know,
you know, Like that's the thing, right, It's like, I
it's an interesting character because I never thought they're gonna
redeem him. I thought they were gonna go with and
maybe the still will of just we're gonna work together
because we both hate Fisk. And then after that it's
either you arrest me or I take you out and
it's fair game till then, and until then it's a truth,
right Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't know if that's it?
Is it that? And I think I'm more fine with
that opposed to Hey, I made a lot of mistakes.
I'm mentally hurt and I'm gonna try and fix them.
I'm not saying it's an instant no for me. I
just have to think, or I have to think. I
do think you need to have that very well ridden
for us as the audience to buy in, especially if
Foggy's dead, if there's some stupid thing where it's like
he did find Foggy and he's the one brings Foggy back, Like, actually,
I didn't kill you a friend, I know where? Then okay,
then the easy redemption shirt.
Speaker 2: I gave him my healing fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. I knew I regret it the second
and I did it. But like, if Foggy is dead,
which I hope, so that makes it more juicy of
how do you work with and maybe forgive this character, right,
especially Matt loss Sime is a Catholic guy, right, and
big thing of multiple religions is the forgiveness in the
road to redemption. Right, So if he is a practicing Catholic,
you would think there should be in his eyes, there
should be a way for God what's his name, Benjamin
Point Dexter to work his way back. And but I
don't know, and I don't know, even though you said
you don't think that. Maybe I could see a version.
Maybe Puncher does do that where or not Punisher bullsye
does that where he does all this stuff and Matt
expects a fight and he does just turn himself in.
Maybe he goes you know what, Yeah, I did really
screw up. And that's what I mean, that's what I
leveled this Bullsy character. Or literally the last episode could
be they take out Fisk and maybe dared Olin Bulls
I do go at it. It's like, okay, it's over.
Now we're gonna fight.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see him, you know, he's the
kind of guy who would take out Fisk and then
maybe take his own life too. I could see him
going that road.
Speaker 1: One. That's the thing with Bulls.
Speaker 2: It's like some crazy wanted level like curved knife and he.
Speaker 1: Has Matt do it. He's like, the only way you
can kill me is someone throws in ricochets at three
times and I backflip into it. Yeah, And that's the
thing that all these scenarios we've talked about feel like
they would fit this character because he's just erratic, right,
So yeah, so I'm curious where he goes. And I
also feel like because Frank has his own special and
he's in the Spider Man movie, it feels like they're
kind of cheating again that dynamic where Daredevil never loves
working with people that kill, and it's like, well, Birthall's
kind of busy, he has two things going on, So
Bullseye's kind of that too, right, Where even if they
just agree to work together, is Matt just fine with
him killing all the vigilantes because Matt's trying not to
do that? Right? So that's where I think that's kind
of a bit of a cheat where maybe that feels
like that could have been Frank's role and they're like, well, yeah,
he's gonna go fight Hulk and be a Spider Man,
so use bulls eye in here, and maybe that, Like
I wonder if Bullseye, if he storyline would remain the
same if burn Fall was still open for business, right,
So yeah, I don't know I'm very excited though to
see where it all goes.
Speaker 2: So and do we is He's Burns not in this
season at all? Then? Is that kind?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No. I especially with that special,
I think maybe the most is like an end credit
that would maybe like yeah, next week, you know, yeah,
But I don't think he plays any role With that special.
Coming out a week after the finale, I feel like
it's almost like a it's it's DLC, you know, It's like, oh, yeah,
here's here's what Frank's been up to. Right, So I was, oh,
this is one I was gonna ask you. And this
is what I still find very curious for. We talked
about this many times and we thought, oh, at the
end of the season, because this task force, because what's happening.
And the beginning of last season they had Fisk and uh,
Matt mean that diner, right, and Matt kind of said, Hey,
as long as you're just actually mayor trying to do well,
we'll leave you alone. And Fist said, hey, I know
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But to throw it back, why has Fist not revealed
who Matt Murdock is dyl Mus? To me, this makes
zero sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if where's he doesn't have to lose,
you know, well, I mean I think part of maybe
his plan is getting you know, obviously he went for
what's his name, Cherry and as leverage to get to
Matt and all this stuff, and so I guess maybe
maybe that's the reason why. Maybe he doesn't want any
clues getting traced back to him. And if just like
categorically everyone who's like mathematically close to Matt Murdock is
just getting killed and disappears, maybe I don't know, maybe
that would get then traced back to him as someone
who's actively trying to hunt down Daredevil. So maybe he's
just trying to do it more. Maybe you know, maybe
he also wants it to be some big, huge reveal
where he can capture him and then get some big
live stream going on, yeah on some CD live streaming
site because you know it's banned on Twitch or whatever,
and then he can like do the mass reveal live
in person. Like that's the kind of thing he would
want to do, and that would like you know, discredit
this whole this whole lawyer practice and all these people
and you know, do a bunch of things as well.
So I think it could be kind of maybe one
of those two things. Maybe he loses leverage once he
finally gives it away when he doesn't really have a
reason to yet because already, like Matt is already in
hiding and he's not he's kind of going around in public,
but he's wearing his hood, he's wearing his shades, and
he's being sneaky when he's going to that restaurant and stuff.
So yeah, it's like, even without having revealed the identity,
he's still already having to sneak around and stuff. So
I don't know how much the public being like the
eyes and ears for Fisk to be like, oh, help
us find Daredevil if you see him text this number.
I don't I don't know if that would really make
much of a difference at this point.
Speaker 1: Okay, I could, I could maybe get on board. I
would love at some point even if there's a quick
conversation with Vanessa of her pitching that are like, why
don't we tell people who he is? Especially if maybe
a couple episodes they have these traps and they don't
catch them. And maybe that's the idea of, hey, what
if you told the public who he is and I
could help and if this reveals those sort of reasons,
just because I just just because he led with that
right of hey, if if you become daredevil again, I'm
gonna expose you and everything, And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
wasn't exposed. Maybe we'd just become after you. But he
just feels like Fisk would also Underhandley just say hey,
even though like you said, you're right, those peop are
closed to him, maybe it could still help with people
like when he's at the restaurant, if anyone sees him,
which he's still hiding, right, he's got a hood and
glasses like you said, but if anyone sees him, still
does a hotline or maybe he thinks that's gonna are hurt. Right,
maybe people like Karen him would just be texting that
number like incorrect information, or they'd be using that as
a trap. So again, I just want some clarification of
I'm not it's not a negative yet, but I want
to know Fisk's actual thinking of why wouldn't you throw
this out there potentially to other people because we got
that confirmed. That all they said that Matt Murdoch was
missing in the show to the public again. This is
the second time in his life he's been missing. I
would never hire this lawyer, this guy and Daredevil's season
two or in what was it, Defenders of Building blew up,
he was gone. Now he's just missing again. If he's
your lawyer, man, this sucks. You can never get hold
of this guy, you know, just like his partner who's
just like I guess alone now at that firm, right,
she was working with them, doesn't know where Matt is
and he's just She's just alone now. Karen Karen a
load and that's where again same thing. I don't care
that much about that character she was in last season.
And you know, the two scenes show what's going that.
That's fine. I don't know if I need written out
like Heather, but keep it to that kind of amount
and I think I'm I'm okay with what's going on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't know if are we gonna get
a courtroom scene this season because who that might be
the first time we haven't in the Daredevil season.
Speaker 1: I feel like with because I don't know what's gonna happen.
He made that called Heather whoever that other cops or
whatever he was, he worked as like an or No,
he was in their lawyer. I feel like we could
see the Swordsman trial or part of it, right, because
that's whatever his name is.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's even gonna get to trial. I
feel like this guy's just locked up without even getting
a trial, is the perception I have. But I guess,
you know, part of the season is them overcoming that.
So yeah, maybe maybe, yeah, maybe that's Matt's big Maybe
they did want one big room scene and maybe it's
that one that he comes in for or something like.
Speaker 1: I could see that, which would be big because then
he would reveal where he is though, right, and that's
a moment where, yeah, if he goes into court, why
would Fist then at that point not say hey, that's
Daredevil and then everyone rests him right there, not even
wait and they would jump on him, right, because.
Speaker 2: Maybe Fisk needs like better proof for something too, because
if he just goes on TV and says like I guess,
I guess everyone in the town pretty much just believes
whatever he says. At this point, based on like that video,
the classic BB Street Yeah people on the Street videos
that we got here, so maybe it would work. I
guess it probably would.
Speaker 1: Also the reason I think the trials because they mentioned
them multiple times like, oh, the trials are going to
begin for the whatever the truth some act name, and then.
Speaker 2: As they're very stressed about that, yeah, yeah, and then
also led to Kry. I just didn't know if that
meant that he was he was the one doing that
or someone else's.
Speaker 1: I don't think he is. I think he's just like
aware of it because Karen asks like, oh, do you
ever miss Matt Murrock, And that's when they start talking
about Nelson and the avocados and stuff. So that's where
I feel. I don't know if you'll see it, but
I could see Swordsman trial and that be I could
see unfortunately, he might say some stuff he's not supposed to,
and I can actually see him perishing there, like maybe
joins Matt, but I also see him just being killed
on the stand before he says maybe some stuff that's
against Fisky more So, I don't know, but I think
we'll get, uh, we'll get I'm gonna say two dil
I'm gonna say the trials here and then maybe one
of the end when if Matt My theory is wrong
and Matt Murdoch doesn't go to prison, maybe the end
of the last season or last episode is him like
back in the courtroom doing his thing, like he's back
there and it's kind of good to be back. Happy
to me, Matt Murrocks. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say
two don two out of the eight episode. Okay, we're
gonna get that. So let's see. I know I had
one Morena, Oh, we you just talked about that. I
because we talked about this. I think when a trailer
came all we're like, what the hell's going on? We
got that answer of Fisk where he has like the
weird face and he's like the skin your versions.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the hunk a hunk o news of vibes that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I love that where clearly it is bbe
doing both casts, I would imagine, right because we got
to see the whole Okay, she's doing what she said.
She's putting out kind of puff pieces for Fisk. As
far as oh New York's never been better in the
crime rate. They just show happy people with the task
Force having a good time. Even that one guy says like,
oh yeah, this is the best ever been, And when
the camera goes off, he looks a little dishoveled, right,
like he's probably just saying this because he's fearing for
his life, right, he doesn't want to get profiled or anything.
But then after that you're getting these yeah hun Kung
a very anti propaganda all boat Fisk and they're revealing
everything as far as like, oh what's on the boat?
They're talking about him killing ben Yurick, everything like that.
So I really enjoyed that. I know we talked about
last year how many of the BB reports stuff could
have been used a little bit more. Just felt like
some kind of exposition filler. But I think if I'm
hoping this is Bbe doing this, that gives her character
a sense of urgency and purpose as far as Okay,
Man Karen are doing all this stuff. But sometimes some
of these heroes can do something or these sidecarrics, Okay,
what did you really do here? Like what did you do?
The group project? At least like this could be Bebe's way,
as if the tie turns on Fisk, she's like, oh yeah,
I did those things. I did those news reports everything
to go okay. One it ties back into he killed
her uncle and that's karma. But two, it gives his
characters some urgency and not just okay, she's a reporter
in New York that's seeing some shady stuff, which is like, okay, good,
but you still need her to do have some plot point, right.
So I was liking those newscasts, so yeah, yeah, I agree, yep.
And then the last thing I was gonna say, we
told this before Haifilm with the black suit. Seeing in
action looking at it.
Speaker 2: It's fine. I don't love it, but I'm not against it.
Speaker 1: It's okay, decent enough. I love it as like a
season suit. I don't think I would ever make this
the the full on suit, but yeah, but I've always
been this is a suit similar to one in the
shadow Lands. I still like that it has the red
underneath it, so it just almost feels like it's his
permanent stealth suit. But I think there's also a fun
thing about that where, even though I want them to
keep the double d's, I think as the season goes on,
if more that paint wears off, if there is an
idea of him becoming the hero, and the cast and
fisc out is far as slowly but surely the Reds
coming back and Daredevil almost like the opening credits where
it's the buildings falling and reassembling. So I think there's
something there. But also again, if I'm right and he
gets arrested, then that doesn't really make any sense because
he won't be wearing that suit. So yeah, is there
anything else we missed? Anything else?
Speaker 2: Not too much. There was that scene at the restaurant
with the lady who's kind of helping people get out
of New York. But I don't know if I have
much to say on that yet. I feel like that
is very much a little slow burn. We're gonna get
more going on there. The other just quick shout? Is
that other? Because there's two interrogation scenes in this episode.
But well you said his name is Buck, Is that right?
But yeah, yeah, with Buck, I thought, I just I
loved his performance in that scene. I thought that was
a really compelling scene that he was trying to get
the Task Force guy to have some humanity, but then
he just headshots this guy and kills him anyway, and
then when it like zooms out, I thought the lighting
was gorgeous in that shot. I just thought it was really, really,
really well shot that scene, so I wanted to shout
that one up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I like the character because I remember last
season where a little if he's kind of like a
replacement for that Wesley character in the original show, right right,
So I think last character or last season, he was
a little wooden. So yeah, I like that. And again
still he technically he at least did put the guy
out more humanely, right, like he did kill him, but
he did just like a gunshot to the head instead
of like ripping his ear off and everything, so it
is a bit nicer at least, So I'm interesting that.
And I think, like we talked about last year too,
with the I can't remember, I think it's Michael Galad Galdolfini,
the guy that's like likes Pebe and she's getting info
from him. I'm curious what they could do more with
him this season because they felt we kind of felt
like we liked him, but he was a little under baked,
so I don't know. Maybe he's just gonna get taken
down because fist gets taken down and say, LEVI but no,
I like that scene and I'm also very ready for
this Task Force to get completely taken, especially that one guy.
I liked that they did bring him back. I don't
know if you remember for last season he was like
the main task Force guy. He like gone to it
a couple of times. Sometimes those characters in between seasons
can just get forgne and it's like, oh, here's a
new leader of the task Force. Right. He had that
great scene where he's sitting on a chair talking to
Frank and there's all the Task Force behind him. They
still even I was looking for. They still even have
the puncher yeah symbol. It's smaller, but they still have
that symbol. So again, it does feel a little odd
with Frank. Maybe his special will go into that if
it does. But yeah, I don't know see anything else
on this show before I just throw some other news
that you hear quick.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's all my notes for this episode here.
Speaker 1: Okay, So obviously I don't think you've watched this. Yeah
you haven't watched wonder Men yet, right.
Speaker 2: No, But now that I subscribed to Disney Plus again,
maybe I'll try and watch it. Well, well, did dar
Doubles going on? Yeah, I think you should I think
you'd like it, especially now that more is on the way.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's the big news that we were kind
of surprised about this week because that show talk about
lack of promotion, like Daredevil that was put out there,
not much out there, and it was the binge drop, right,
So it's kind of we've got this feeling before. When
they do the binge drop, it's kind of like, ah,
we just want to push this aside, right, and then
it gets the release or gets the confirmation yesterday they're
doing the season two. It's very exciting. Yeah, I'm excited
for you guys to watch. Also, we'll talk about next
year for Golden Geeks. I said this before, the Ben
and Trevor are not Ben. That's Ben Kingsley with Simon.
The Simon and Trevor connection, one of my favorite duos
in the MCU deal. I think you're really gonna enjoy
their connection. I think they've done some great things with
that character all the way from Mike Ironman three to now,
have some great reflections. There's a couple of really good
just single episodes, and I think this fits with what
I've talked about a few times. We've talked about like
what are they doing with Disney Plus, Marvel and everything.
I think they are going back to We've talked about
this in the nonsports where I think the new method
is the old method, where it's we're gonna have more
street level or cheaper shows that could kind of connect,
where before it's like, okay, the Netflix shows they connected
a little, but you didn't see them in movies. I
think it's that where it's like they connect a little
more and Dared Devil could be in a movie, Punisher
be in a movie. I don't think you're ever gonna
get like all the first appearance of King is in
a TV show, like one his kids TV show, So yeah,
that's even like he gave me a Disney Plus that
was still the old TV show. Yes, yeah, I feel
like now it's gonna be stuff where okay, sure they
can complain in the sandbox, but you're never gonna see
something massive set up in these TV shows. And that's
where when you watch wonder Man, it does it's very
much like by itself. It's in the MSU. There's tons
of illusions and talked about things that's happened in the MSU,
but never like you literally could watch a show and
it could never connect to MSU and you'd be like, oh, yeah,
I guess it's just a superhero show, right. So I
think they're gonna do that a lot more now and
it makes sense and for myself that I think I
gave it like a like a seven to seven point five.
I think it was very more enjoyable than I thought.
I'm excited to see more and I honestly thought I'd
never see more of this duo again, and that excites me.
So that's I don't know what the season or the
year is, but I think they'll even punish her. From
season one to season two was one year. I think
if yeah, yeah, and Ben Kingsley aren't busy, it was
it wasn't really affects heavy show as well either, so
I think a lot easier to shoot, Like there's some
but nothing crazy, you know.
Speaker 2: So did it end in a way that I'm guessing
it didn't end in away that was like big Cliffhangary.
It was like probably pretty succinct and like, could it
if it was one season, you would have been happy
with it ending there? Or did it leave a lot
of loose threads?
Speaker 1: No, I would say it was in the middle where
there wasn't a single cliffhanger, but also felt like, oh,
there's still a lot more we could do here if
you could end the show and be Okay, this was
wonder man cool, but it also felt like, oh, we're
there's a couple of ventures here that are open that
we could go down that road on, especially the I'd
say the last few minutes. But it didn't end in
a way where like Yahyas has his hand on sometimes
a gun, someone shoots and it cuts to black, you know,
nothing like that, like did he die or something. So
they got that and then yeah, they dated. We talked
about so a few times already. But the data it's
called Dylan the Punisher, One Last Kill. It's coming out
May twelfth.
Speaker 2: It giving me the last dance vibe, So I don't
love that.
Speaker 1: It's coming out May twelve. It's gonna be sixty minutes,
sixty plus minutes, so you know, I'll probably just an
hour under an hour with the credits. Uh, let me
hit you with this enough sause. I. I had a
good laugh with this one. As Frank Castle searches for
meaning beyond revenge, an unexpected force pulls them back into
the fight. That is what the Punisher Special is about.
Speaker 2: Feeling about that, I mean, for you, it probably means
a lot from me that it's so vague that I
don't really know what to take from that. Uh yeah, okay,
I mean I'm a little pissed because it comes out
when I'm on my trip, I'll be uh yeah, I
will not be on the episode. Unfortunately, they always catch you,
but I'll of course what we've been watching as soon
as I get back, I'll be watching that for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, And I feel like I'm hoping we're
gonna top on Golden Geeks. You know. That's why I'm
hoping it's that good. But no, for me, don't I
don't know what's alluding to so story. I'm I guess
there's two things I take from this, the one last kill?
I'm very is it there's three things? Is this just
a cool title? Is it? Again?
Speaker 2: Is it a cool title?
Speaker 1: Well? I just mean like they're like we need something
the last Kill? Sure? Like is it just like a
meaningless title in a sense? Right? Like even the home
titles like sure Homecoming.
Speaker 2: Far from Home, they're very don't started on that brand new?
Speaker 1: But is it just marketing? Is it one last kill?
My favorite storyline where oh, Frank finds one more person
that hurt his family, so we got to find them
because that was a running gag in the Punisher Show
where it's like, oh, this person actually was this person
that I happened like three or four times or what
I'm very worried about. And that's what I'm with the synopsis.
I think it's gonna allude to and I hate this till.
I think we've talked about we kind of begged on
this many times in the Punisher Show. I think it's
gonna open up with him killing some dude and then
again for like the fifty thousand times, Frank Castle's gonna
be like, you know what, this is the end of
the Punisher. I gotta stop. And especially I don't get
it wrong. I could see why it's warranted from a
character perspective, because I think last season when he saw
all those assholes wearing his symbol, he probably did think, man,
I probably screwed up. Like people have taken the wrong
message from this, like look all these people that are
hurting inns, the people where my logo this is bad.
But we talked about this where when Dared Douvil season
two started, he was the Punisher, he got his revenge
in the family. He quit being the Punisher when he
would punish the season one open he killed some people,
quit being the Punisher, and then got brought in, and
then on the Punisher season two started, did some kills,
not the Punisher in back. He has quit and restarted
a couple times, even with last Dared double season. Luckily
he said he couldn't help Matt because he was on
a mission. He was locked down in his little bunker
watching all these TV shows, but he still did the classic.
Anytime he's on a sabbatical, long hair, big beard, he's
not doing anything. So it's just like, I just love that.
What are the pitch rooms for these Punisher stories? Like, Hey,
I got it, what if Frank decided to stop killing
but something brings him up? Like can we get anything original?
So again I will wait to see a trailer and
what we actually get here, But that synopsis again just
feels like we've seen this now three times with not
which just it it'd be different was Punisher. We've seen
this with John Berthall's Punch. Yeah, like this exact storyline
again and again like just have him be Punisher. Stop
and we know he's gonna be Punisher. There's no like
imagine if he wasn't in Daredevil and they're like, hey,
we're doing the special and I don't think they would,
but we could speculate, Oh, maybe they're gonna do a
Logan and kill him off. Maybe he's done. But it's
like in five months from now or four months from now,
he's popping around, quit your whimper, and and he's run
around Spider Man. So this whole idea of like always
searching for something beyond.
Speaker 2: Got the Dark Passenger Travis, he just can't. He just
can't let it go.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I'm over it, you know, I'm
just I'm done. Like the only good thing the new
seasons Dexter have done that he's just been like, you
know what, I'm just a killer. I got a rock
with it trying to stop. It's been a bad thing.
And you know what, that took three different versions of
the show and like fifteen years to get there. But
I hope we can just maybe Spider Man will be
that and or I wondered with the one last kill
and this is what I wonder if he will get
really fired up. Do you think there's a chance he
could go into Spider Man brand new day and he's
a vigilante but he's no longer a killer.
Speaker 2: I think that'd be very I don't feel more Spider Many, right,
Spider Man being a bit more.
Speaker 1: PGG thirteen right. And that's what I wonder too, is like,
I feel like fans are gonna flip their shit if
that happens. If he's like, you could do PG thirteen
Killer Punisher, but if he's like, I'm no longer taking lives,
I ain't like, oh they ruined him, Spider Man ruined him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like if it feels like, oh, this is a Disney Punisher,
people are like, oh, I don't know if I like
that so much.
Speaker 1: So that's why I just wondered if that one last
kill kills literally you.
Speaker 2: Know, you can't kill Hulk, so maybe that's what it is.
Maybe he's like trying, but you just can't. You just
can't do that.
Speaker 1: You can kill Scorpion though he's in there, and you
could take Scorpion on easily.
Speaker 2: You know you wan't say easily, but yeah, I was
gonna say, is that easy?
Speaker 1: I think the MCU Scorpion.
Speaker 2: You know, Scorpion's got like healing or something too, just
like everyone else.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure. And one of the shots of trailers
the film Boomerang, I think Frank cast gonna take out Boomerang.
You know Boomerang, Yeah, boom Yeah, there's Boomerang, there's Boomerang,
there's Tarantula, there's Tombstone, there's scoring. They got a lot
of like BC Tier like characters confirmed.
Speaker 2: So I haven't seen the trailer yet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you'll you'll see him. He's chucking Boomerang than
the tree.
Speaker 2: Is he better or worse than was it Captain Boomerang
from a squad? Oh?
Speaker 1: Worse? Yeah, he's And I could be wrong. I think
let me just fact.
Speaker 2: Is he gonna use an iPhone to like track his
opponents like Captain Boomerang?
Speaker 1: Did he could? Oh yeah, his name is just Boomerang.
He could. We didn't get to see that. But uh,
I would say Captain Boomerang is better on the DC
side because least he becomes a suicide squad member. This
guy's just like a D Tier film. But I think
Frank could kill him, So it's Frank's not killing him
I'm I'm very curious how people react to that, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: But that is the little news there, And that is
our review for Daredevil Burning and the season two premiere.
We will be back next week with episode two and three,
a double header, and we'll see who's joined us, and
I promise you it'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: Good night,