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Speaker 1: Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and thankfully welcome back to the

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Daredevil Born Again reviews series. This is season two, episode one.

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I am the dude Gooder trust Now I'm joined.

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Speaker 2: By Hey, Dylan Muss here, Yes.

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Speaker 1: The original Netflix boys for the Yeah, it's a good

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old reunion going on here. But yeah, Taylor and Kirklumb

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different things come up, so they will be on in

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the next weeks to fall. We got about I think

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it's seven weeks of Daredevil. We're gonna talk about the

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very end. Two things. They reviewed wonder Man and they

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dated this Punisher special and I got synopsis for you, Dylan.

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It's some crazy stuff happening, Frank. Just wait to hear

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the synopsis. But obviously the next few weeks it'll be

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either us at a collection of the other four, sometimes

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all of us four hopefully we'll see but for the

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next eight to seven weeks it'll be all of us.

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Are talking about spoilers for Born Again. For this episode,

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we'll give like a quick overall. But as we've talked

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about in the town Hall that we ditched the nonspoys

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a premiere, we'll give a little backstory the Little Nonspoys

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a warning. But after this every episode will be spoils

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on and then of course we will be fun doing

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the Punisher. What is it one last kill? So that's

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a special presentation and if you like what we got

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going on, man, we're just for years. In the past

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decade overflowing with Daredevil, me and Dylan reviewed the original series.

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As I quoted the Netflix boys back in the day,

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we'd watch in a whole weekend do it last year,

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they're reviewing those. And then we're also reviewing the Dulph

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that's all Patreon on the Face two feed coming up.

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retrospective you'll have all five episodes there to look forward to.

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More stuff I can promote. We'll talk about that layer.

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Let's get right into this because Daredevil off see a

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big thing here, GV. I feel like we were very excited.

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the build up and then obviously for a bunch of reasons.

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as Daredevil season one where they shot a bunch and

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they stopped and reshot a bunch and it was kind

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of a Frankenstein monster esque sort of season. Remember not

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Franken steinkirkl and that's the Doctor. But as season that,

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we and to give an example, we do our Golden

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of the year. This season didn't even get on there.

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Dylan we picked, and we picked what was a Doomsday

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Spierman and the Punisher special presentation because we all had

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some I think trepidation going in or luckily this year

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it is all the same, not creditors, creators, not corrections,

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creators and writers. So it's everybody you know from Stern Finish,

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one group of people, one gang of people, A bunch

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more hopeful. But now seeing season or episode one of

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where are you after this episode?

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definitely a bit of a slow burn. Of course, you

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of spicy things, for sure. But I do feel like it, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, whose boat was it?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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like the weird kind of marketing for this season in particular,

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I said, it's weekly and it's kind of me Dylan

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or the other fellows. But uh d't where should we start?

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In the sports section? Now? That weekend So if anyone's

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things that's fun about Daredevil as a character and the

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way the choreography is done in particularly the Daredevil show,

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most often big Marvel fights are like you know, in

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cities and you're smashing into buildings and it's a huge scale.

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So it's fun to have like very like claustrophobic fights.

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and whatnot. But yeah, that action seed starts out good.

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But yeah, I guess I wanted to ask you what's

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going on with who's the actor who plays Shaggy and

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is this new character?

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Speaker 1: Matthew Lillard?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so is this like a comic book guy that

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you're familiar with this character? Do you know do you

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kind of have suspicions of where this is going? Without

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spoiling things for.

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Speaker 1: Me, Luckily, I think I'm safe. I think right now,

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as far as we know the viewers that I think

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he is a new character. There could always be a

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chance that he's inspired by somebody or turned out to

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be somebody.

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Speaker 2: Of two characters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not anyone right now. Where it's like, Oh,

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just wait, this is gonna be somebody. I think right now,

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it's just a dude, Like I think they could do something,

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but I don't also think it's gonna be like, oh

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and I'm doctor Fear or something like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, people thought it was confused too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a Scarecrow equivalent in the Daredevil universe.

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A lot of people thought he was that, and Okay,

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maybe it could be, but I don't think he has anybody,

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and if he has made, it's someone that's like a

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minor character. But let me do if I do.

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Speaker 2: I was kind of streaking about how different of a

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character he appears to be within that particular clan of people,

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just in terms of him being like a bit more silly,

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a bit more quirky.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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and he's like eating his food and he's not really

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paying attention, and he's not just like under Fisk's thumb

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the whole time. And he obviously has like some power

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and some sway and he's able to get that governor

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guy to immediately. I was kind of hoping it would

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maybe get like an episode or something of Fisk having

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to be under what was the word under some oversight,

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but they're like, within like a minute, they're like, oh no,

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you're good. You can do whatever you want again. But yeah,

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he obviously has a lot of power, but he's a

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character I don't know who he is, and he doesn't

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seem to be attached to government in any way, so

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he's some sort of criminal underworld ringleader boss kind of guy.

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But yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm intrigued to

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see where we go with this. And this is an

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actor who I probably haven't seen him anything since Scooby

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Doo as a kid, so it's fun to see him

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in here, and I'm curious to see where where this

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character goes.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever see five and Net Preds that movie?

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Speaker 2: I never did know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, don't worry about it. He's in there, but yeah,

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I don't worry about it. You know. I looked even

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like the character that has named Charles, and that's and

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Daredevil's like a nothing like had a couple things in

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the arc that was just like a junkie or something.

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So unless they're pulling the wool over our eyes, because again,

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back in the day, they did do that with I

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can't remember what her fake name was, but remember Catherine

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or Katherine Hahn was something Arcness or something like that.

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But she ended up being Oh, yeah, that is the

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whole thing that the whole timeone's like it's Agatha, Like

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we go, we kind of figure that out where this

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is like if it's someone that is a code, it's

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not like an obvious like, oh, there's all these signs.

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I think he is just an original character. I think

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Daredevil you can do that because he looks like he's

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he's not a fixer per se, but kind of he

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looks like because I kind of forgot that they had

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this port right that for some reason we thought was

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kind of unbelievable, but still they had this port, but

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that they can illegally it does it's not technically owned

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by New York or something, and they can illegally or

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not even illegally, they can legally transport weapons and bads

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good there because they have like, no, what is that

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jurisdiction over that area? Right, So that's I guess the

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way I'm taking is he's just kind of a fixer

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for the people that use that. With Kingpin, obviously, they're

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kind of viewing that Hey, a boat just went down,

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probably with millions of you know, weapons, gear, whatever it

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may be, and Fis kind of seemed Fist seemed more

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mad about it, just being dreed ough right, He didn't

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even seem mad about the guns or anything, just like, oh,

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this devil like seems that he's back, right, So I

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take him he's just kind of like this fixer and

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I am interested because I think Matthew Lillard is a

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very fun actor. I think he's very chaotic. I think

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he has this He's one of those guys that it's

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kind I wish he kind of blew up more. I

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feel like he has a chemistry similar to like a

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Nick Cage or John Travolta, where it's just it's just

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Matthew Lillard, right, you can't no one else could be

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Matthew lil and kind of bring that energy to him.

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So he brings something a radic to this character that

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looks like he's you know, with the office people, with

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the superiors, but he's a bit more frantic, right. And

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I love their dinner conversation of oh no, I didn't

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mean to offend you and Fist right, what you did, Defender,

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and like that was a good kind of very abrasive

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and kind of talking down to Vanessa, which we know

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Fist doesn't like. At the same time, like you said,

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seems like he he's not higher ranking than Fists, but

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it's not like a guy it seems like he can

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just take out right away, right. He maybe tied to

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some other stuff. So I think that's always good when

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Fisk has someone above him, because especially last season, feels

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like no one's above him now right with the Law,

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he's the mayor. The superheroes are on the run, So

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it's good to have this guy. I'm not sure where

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he's going to factor in of I could see it

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both ways. If he's just working with Fisk, or maybe

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he's a guy that would double cross Fist to kind

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of for business, right, so yeah, I don't know which.

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Or he could just die, right, So that's the thing

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I'm I hope this character is a good addition because

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I think last year we suffered from a lot of

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build up to Muse and I think we were all thought, oh,

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this could be a good kind of Daredevil's rogue, and

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it kind of went nowhere, right. I think when Matthew Little,

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at least for the acting Wise can give some some

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fun scenes there, but I also want the character to

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mean something and not just yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he'll be in all these episodes a

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little bit at least, or is he just gonna like

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pop in every once in a while.

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Speaker 1: If this season is eight episodes, I'm gonna say he's

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in five to six. They might be smaller scenes, but

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I feel like with that setup when they said, oh,

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can you give a call and he said, oh, well,

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I'll just go there. I need the miles. Anyways, he

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flew out to be in New York, right, So I

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feel like it kind of weird if he just popped

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up and went away, unless it was kind of a

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because obviously they're filming season three. Maybe he is just

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like alluding to him, and maybe they take care of

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Fist this season and he's like the big bad or

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a big bad in season three, Right, I don't think that.

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I do think Fisk is getting taken care of this

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season because I don't think you can do Mayor Fisk

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for too long. Like I love that he didn't lose

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last season, but I also think eventually has to run

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its course. And we've talked about this with Spider Man.

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It is always gonna be weird of Spider Man's run

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around and all this bad stuff is happening and he

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don't care, right, I know it's sam seen a lot

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of times that doesn't happen, but that's when it's like, oh,

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where's Thor Well, he's on a different planet. Spider Man

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literally lives in New York, right, it's all these people

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that are getting these anti Vigilanti task Force. He should

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be swinging around helping, you know. It shouldn't just be mad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Spidy would come in and be like, oh, this

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ship's going down, I gotta help bring it back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, today now he's doing nothing. But so yeah, I'm

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excited for the potential. And again it's potential because maybe

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at the end of the season, well they really did

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nothing with them. They got a fun actor, which we've

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talked about many Disney plus from all this stuff right

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where there's a very fun actor and they do nothing

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with it, right, Like look at John Carlo in Brave

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New World. John Carlo is an amazing actor. Sidewinder non

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amazing character, right, amazing actor, a great character. It does

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not make so absolutely, we'll see do you think, what

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do you what do you think? His survival chances for

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this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that, as you mentioned that

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dinner scene between them, the tension there was really interesting,

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where you know, He's like, hey, we gotta do this job,

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but then we got to kill all the people who

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like do this job, and Fisk was adverse that, which

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is almost surprising. I thought he's kind of disposable with

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his people to some extent. But I mean, I guess

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in order to I guess that helps with the mayor image.

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You can't just re risking things like that. He's trying

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to take fewer risks as he accrues more power, I suppose.

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But to me, that seemed like maybe that was gonna

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be part of their disagreement and maybe somehow Fiscal will

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accumulate more power by like sharing with these workers that like, oh,

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this guy was just gonna kill you, but I'll take

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you in and take you into my side or something. Now,

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I don't know. It seems like he just uses random

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people from there around the world who have no identity essentially,

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So I don't know if that'll actually be a thing

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long term, but I feel like already I can see

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that there's some tension there and Fisk is gonna want

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to take him out and maybe that gets him into

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hot water. But I don't I don't think. I don't

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see like this other criminal faction coming in and that

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being like the downfall of Fisk. I feel like we're

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more focused on Daredevil and other characters that are gonna

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come together to rise up against him. I don't know

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if that faction will really come into play, So I'm

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I think maybe I'll predict that he's a bit of

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a smaller role, a smaller role in the show overall.

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But I would like to be wrong about that, because yeah,

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I did like his performance, and again, I feel like

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he did shake up the chemistry of like the people

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in that office. You know that that was a bit

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more lively than some of those scenes have been, particularly

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in season one. I do like the other guy who

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like the British guy who is going off and that

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did that hit. Yeah, I thought he had a good

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gravitas this episode. So I was good to see him back.

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Speaker 1: He was good, and that office he was interesting because

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when he came in, Fiscal was like almost very happy.

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He was like, oh yeah, another as of my hole.

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But then, like you said, the dinner scene was a

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very different dynamic. So again, maybe he thought it was

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just gonna be this guy coming in like, oh, he's

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completely with me, and him kind of rocking the boat

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a little bit. Again, I don't know. I think he's

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gonna survive. I just could also just see him being

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a minor role that maybe when Fisk is at his

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wits end, he kind of makes the final blow to

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like save face. It's not like kill him, but like

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if they turn him in or something like that.

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Speaker 2: With me, Yeah, maybe he tries to like pin it

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on this guy or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or vice versa, right that he kind of he

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pins it on. I think either way, they could turn

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each other that way. So I'm not sure because I

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don't know what's gonna happen off ste Vanessa's always a factor, right,

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She's the one that got Foggy killed last year by

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hiring balls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't really have anything of her own in

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this episode. Maybe that's one of the I wonder how

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much of her because last of the season she kind

472
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,079
of had her own storyline, you know, and obviously there

473
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,960
was also the Fisks stuff, but she didn't really get

474
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,960
that introduction here, So I wonder if she's gonna take

475
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,920
a bit of a backseat this season, or if you know,

476
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,559
they just didn't have time for that in episode one

477
00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:27,799
because there were so many other things going on.

478
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it looks like they're on therapy now. Looks

479
00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:32,119
like they're still happy that way, which is good. And

480
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,319
that is the one thing my nonspoils. And I don't

481
00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:37,640
think anyone will disagree. I think just has to has

482
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,200
to go Heather Man. I just I've said this for it.

483
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,880
I don't think the actress is bad. It's just a

484
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,279
curious case of it feels so kind of off the

485
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,640
side where all the Fists stuff is making sense, all

486
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,799
the dared Elves are making sense. And again that's where

487
00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:51,839
the season could prove to be better than last because

488
00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:54,200
maybe this Heather stuff will come in. I imagine what's

489
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,720
gonna happen is she just gets pushed her limit and

490
00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:00,440
finally cracks and gets help stare it out or the

491
00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:04,640
cops or somebody. I think it's just it's it's odd

492
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,880
where we all talked about last year where her turn

493
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,799
to the fist side was very under baked, and I

494
00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:12,680
get it. Of course you're supposed to care for the humans,

495
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,359
but in this world where you know, swordsmen, she's falsifying

496
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,799
evidence against some orst testimony, right, and we're also getting

497
00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:23,559
these PTSD flashbacks or whatever visions of Muse following her around.

498
00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:26,400
I just don't know like it. Maybe it sounds as

499
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,640
a bad human for me, but I just don't know

500
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,440
why I'm supposed to care about her being under this

501
00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,759
trauma when she is actively hurting other people that are

502
00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:34,839
you know, sortsman. You're gonna argue how innocent he is,

503
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,799
but you know she's probably hurting other innocent people that

504
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,240
we're just trying to be superheroes, right, or she's even

505
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,039
in the cause. So I guess I just don't know

506
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,799
what I'm supposed to take from this character. I said

507
00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:46,960
to Emily, my hope is that she kind of makes

508
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,519
a babyface turn really early and then fist kills her,

509
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,960
because I just don't think there's much especially now too,

510
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,440
if Matt wasn't with Karen and be like, oh, maybe

511
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,400
they're gonna get them back together and there'll be an item.

512
00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:58,359
As we'll talk about in a bit, Matt and Karen

513
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,119
are fully linked back together, right, So I just I

514
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,960
don't see a place for in a show. It feels

515
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,880
very much like when we talk about this season has

516
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,920
those concurrent greads, this still feels like something of a

517
00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:11,599
previous marriage that they've brought along, Like like I didn't

518
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,359
want this, uh you know this this shelf right or

519
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,759
this TV right, but my ex didn't have room, so

520
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,200
I took it. But man, it's a hassled so heavy,

521
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:21,920
Like how do I get rid of it? That's what

522
00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:23,799
Heather as a character kind of feels like. It feels

523
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:25,799
like if it's a different show and I just don't

524
00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:27,759
know what they're and I just don't care. It's not

525
00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,240
anything was bad. I liked to receive a swordsman again.

526
00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:32,319
I think i'd almost just rather her just be may

527
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,599
just completely evil then and just get her to choose scenery. Bit.

528
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,799
I just I know they're trying to maybe feel torn

529
00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:39,720
about this character, maybe feel for her. I do not

530
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,279
actively right now, Dylan.

531
00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I suppose if it's just the purpose

532
00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:47,920
of this is just to show how much fisk Kit

533
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,519
is fucking with like due process and you know, just

534
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,519
going dumping through all these hoops to get what he wants,

535
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,559
essentially by butting up with you know people. Obviously, the

536
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,319
cops have all joined his crew, and like they have

537
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,640
this like hit squad, and now they have this person

538
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,839
as well who's essentially overlapping with over overwriting like what

539
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,799
would otherwise be like a psyche Vaut, like a regular

540
00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:11,880
psyche vl and then go through the actual court process

541
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,079
as he's talking about there. But you're right that, like

542
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,400
in terms of her actual do I have investment in

543
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,599
the character? Not really, And I just don't see Yeah,

544
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,240
as you mentioned, Matt's doing other things. I don't see

545
00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:23,920
him kind of trying to shack up with her again

546
00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:26,640
or like reconcile or anything like that. So don't really

547
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,359
know what the purpose of this role is other than

548
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,160
maybe do you think Jock's gonna be like quite a

549
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,720
bit bigger character this season, Like he's gonna be one

550
00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:36,119
of the main people on the on the crew with

551
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,880
Daredevil or something. I feel like maybe they're setting that

552
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,519
up a little bit.

553
00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,319
Speaker 1: I would like that because unless if we have some

554
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,480
sort of because everyone's always speculting, right, like, is Luke

555
00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:46,880
Cage gonna pop up his iron fists and maybe there's

556
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,240
always a chance that's a surprise. So obviously Jessica's in

557
00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,519
the season, right, so that could happen I wouldn't mind

558
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,960
him join the forces, even if he kind of like perishes,

559
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,079
because I don't think we're getting a hot like maybe

560
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,640
we'll get a hawk High season two. I'll take that back,

561
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,880
but I don't think we're getting in a way where

562
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,119
this guy's gonna play a big role in the MCU.

563
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:04,279
So I think if there's like a hero's journey a

564
00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:06,799
little bit where maybe he's on trial, breaks out, joins

565
00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:09,000
it with Matt and kind of redeem because he's like

566
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:10,960
on the villain side. Think in Hawkey they still established

567
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,880
it he was like stealing stuff. I think it was

568
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,200
kind of like a Robin Hood sort of stealing from

569
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,319
the rich. But still there's some some blurriness going on there, right,

570
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,119
still criminal acts, So I hope, but maybe he could

571
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,519
also just be tied to Heather's story of Hey, this

572
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,519
character was at least in the MSU, it makes her

573
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:29,240
story a little bit bigger if it's a character from

574
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,079
a different show. But to your point, like, I think

575
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,160
you're exactly right as far as them showing the him

576
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,119
messing with due process, But at the same time, it's

577
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,519
I know it's not always been due process, but haven't

578
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,640
we been doing this since Stared Evil season one of like, yeah,

579
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,480
showing all this is how Fisk does. It's like, I'm

580
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,759
we know how he does. Like he always finds a way, right,

581
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,039
It's always he gives people money when he finds out

582
00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,039
that they've had an affair or they're doing drugs. Any blackmails, ye,

583
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,079
right and even and that's what's worth about Heather, Like

584
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,400
she just that's not even happening. She just joined him.

585
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,400
She's not being blackmail nothing like that. She just hated vigilantes, Like, oh,

586
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,240
I'm with you now, Fisks. So that's I'm kind of

587
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:06,359
hoping we say by this character early on, I hope

588
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,519
Hesh's a hero hero play and then see Heather till

589
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,119
I don't know, never, I guess Unfortunately.

590
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like he's kind of done everything to

591
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,279
do with this character. So yeah, I agree with you

592
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:18,960
on that. Yep.

593
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: So speaking of we kind of got this information leading

594
00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:23,440
up to it. But to speak on the other side

595
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,119
of her not getting back with Matt fully forced you're

596
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,559
not even up to one. I thought, Okay, maybe there's

597
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:29,519
gonna be a build up to it. No, Matt does

598
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,880
this whole boat mission, which the boat mission felt very

599
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:34,400
that's when the show does like, oh it's on Disney Plus.

600
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,039
I get it's still on a bigger scale, but it's

601
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:40,319
like big action scene. Matt's falling into like an uncharted

602
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,119
QuickTime cut scene like water thing. He looks back the

603
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,519
boat sinking stuff we never saw on the Netflix thing, right,

604
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:47,799
we wouldn't see Matt Murdock in like a big water

605
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,160
like whatever being sucked up. But it's fine. I think

606
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,400
it all worked. There's one moment too. They did this

607
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,279
a couple times, but this one specifically. I think they

608
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:57,200
did this last year, but when he was in tuning

609
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,000
with his ear sense and it like zoomed in on

610
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:00,519
him and it made they I had screen in a

611
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,440
full screen Very cool. I love when they're doing that

612
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,759
type of stuff. It's a good visual flare. But he

613
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,160
stops this boat, which that's a boat hand that had

614
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,319
a bunch of weapons, illegal firearms are the tip of stuff,

615
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,880
stops them, goes home Karen's trading, and right away they

616
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,279
just they just get it on. They establish their back together.

617
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,920
No speeches, no kind of IF's and or butt and

618
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,160
night things. So how do you feel about that? There's

619
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,599
no kind of build up there, just back as a couple.

620
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we only have eight episodes. You know,

621
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,960
we're already in eighth of the way through this through

622
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
this season, and we have a lot of other characters

623
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:32,599
to get to in a lot of big storyline, especially

624
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:34,079
if you mentioned if we are going to wrap up

625
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,839
the or wrap up quote unquote the Kingpin stuff this season,

626
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,400
and we got a lot to do, so you know what,

627
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,000
we don't need to screw around. Let's just get right

628
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,240
into it. We can kind of assume that any gaps

629
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,480
of like them getting to this point in the relationship

630
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:47,799
is just covered by the fact that we're in a

631
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:49,880
new season and there could be some amount of time

632
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,720
that passed in between. But also like they've known each

633
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,160
other for a long time, so I'm sure if they

634
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,960
wanted to get together, it's very quick for them to like,

635
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,160
you know, skip past in those early steps and just

636
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,559
be there. So yeah, I really like the dynamics so far.

637
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,799
It's it's fun. I like that we're just right into it.

638
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,480
And yeah, I mean I like that they're not It's

639
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,599
it's not just that she is, you know, his girlfriend

640
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,480
or something like that, which can happen in shows like this,

641
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,000
Like she has her own storyline going on. She's she's

642
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,240
getting up to stuff. She's training as well, which is

643
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,839
fun to see. I thought her. Two funny things with

644
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,759
her though, is one. I thought that her her wanted

645
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,599
poster was very funny, Like the pictures they had were

646
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,079
like very very silly choices. One was like, yeah, just

647
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,319
like I don't know, very classic, just you know, catching,

648
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,559
like very paparazzi shot.

649
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: It was very funny making.

650
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: And then when she had like her her disguise, she

651
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:43,559
just looks like, especially with the eyeliner, she looks so

652
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,480
much to me like Olivia Wilde in Trony, which took

653
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:50,799
me out of it a little bit because it's it's

654
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,519
kind of goofy. But uh yeah, I like what she's

655
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,039
up to so far, and I like what they're what

656
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:56,079
they're doing together. It's fun.

657
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. As I've said before, never a not never a

658
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,720
fan in this iteration, I like Matt with Elektra, and

659
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,440
I want Karen to be with Frank. I'm over that

660
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:07,799
we're going so in that sense, I'm with Dylan Ware.

661
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,240
I didn't need like two three episodes of ho hum,

662
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,319
like oh should we do this? Blah blah blah. I

663
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,839
also feel like it's I'm curious, what's gonna happen if again,

664
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,279
my pitch is I to both last episode with Kirkle

665
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,319
in the newscast. My hope is that sounds bad. My

666
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,279
hope is that Matt goes to prison in this season

667
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,640
because there's a great story arc in the comics where

668
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,759
Darrey Devil gets locked in the prison, and I think

669
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:32,160
that'd be just so fascinating of Charlie Cox his rogue gallery,

670
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,160
and then it's like, you're like, what if Bullseye Kingpin,

671
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,000
other characters, maybe mister Charles always characters get locked in

672
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:41,039
prison and he's in there with them. I've always loved

673
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,279
that arc, and I think there's always there's a chance.

674
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,200
I'm like fifty to fifty on that. I think that's

675
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,160
actually gonna happen. But in that's yeah, I think it's

676
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960
a comic arc by Bendez is amazing, So I'd love

677
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,960
to actually make that comic versions of it happens. But

678
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,400
I think that's just like, I'm curious if they if

679
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,200
that doesn't happen and they win and they get back

680
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,319
to normal life, if they're still gonna make this relationship work,

681
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:04,200
because it feels like it's two ways where they're living together,

682
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,640
it feels like all they can do is depend on

683
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,759
each other. And because there's like a past romantic attraction

684
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:10,759
all that stuff, you probably fall back into old ways.

685
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,119
But two, when they were reminiscing about Foggy like Nelson

686
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,400
Moroccan law, it also feels like it's kind of a

687
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,960
like a trauma bond, right, And I'm not saying that

688
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680
can't survive, but sometimes that's not the healthiest way to

689
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,000
have a relationship going. Right. So it's like, Okay, are

690
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,559
they back together because of now all the time we've realized,

691
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:31,079
you know what we do, love each other. You're my

692
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,799
Mary Jane, You're my Selena Kyle, and that's what we're

693
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,119
gonna do. Or is it just happening right now? Like

694
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,680
if they get back to normal life, are they gonna

695
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,519
split part ways? Because like what if Karen gets exonerating

696
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,880
she's ding a normal reporting and she's a normal life

697
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,599
and doesn't want to be. I guess I can't say

698
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:46,319
that though Karen always is in the shit now, you know,

699
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,640
I feel like she's established he's there, and I think,

700
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,680
like you said, it's good that she's not just there.

701
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,680
She's fighting. I love the uh she has all these

702
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680
different wigs. I love the connection because we talked about

703
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,880
this last year and it didn't happen because the whole

704
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,960
different craters. But then I feel like we maybe had

705
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,039
ace and I don't even think so, but we've talked about, like, oh,

706
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,119
Bibi and Karen got a link up because of that history,

707
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,160
right and right away episode one, it links up. He

708
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,839
prefers that original show of hey he trained me, your

709
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,519
uncle means a big deal. And I also kind of

710
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,640
get him killed, got him killed because if people don't remember,

711
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,359
Karen led Ben York to an old folks on them

712
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,920
that had Kingpin's mother in it for some information. He

713
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,119
didn't even know where Karen was taking him. She just

714
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400
did it without his permission, just to like egg him

715
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,359
on to crack the story. So it's I love that

716
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,200
connection already, and I hope we get more of that

717
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,759
because it's kind of they can mirror each other. So yeah,

718
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,720
everything with Karen's good. They always have at least good chemistry,

719
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,240
so I'll take that, And yeah, I'm curious where that

720
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,680
character goes. I also think that if they end up happy,

721
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,480
I think there's always a chance he's on the chopping block.

722
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,480
But I think I said in our predictions with Kirk

723
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,680
and I don't think they'd take out Foggy and her

724
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,920
back to back because I feel like, right, I feel

725
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,279
like for original show, people might be kind of a

726
00:29:58,359 --> 00:29:59,920
slap in the face. So that's why I'm going with

727
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,480
my theory of they'll finally be happy, but Matt will

728
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:03,799
end up in a prison like I feel like there'll

729
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:05,839
be something else to break them up. It's not death

730
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,799
or something like that, because I just again, I know

731
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
they're going back to some things, but I don't know

732
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,319
if you want to lose Karen Anne Foggy because I

733
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:14,680
think there's still a lot of people that were burned

734
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,720
by that. I still don't think Foggy's coming back. I

735
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,640
know there's always that theory there was a comic book

736
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,960
run where Foggy was alive. I just don't think so,

737
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,079
especially can't remember what they said.

738
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: I thought you were on that train last season.

739
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: I think I was, but now I don't think I am.

740
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:29,599
I think with everything happening with the Punisher Special, with

741
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,319
Jones coming back, it feels like they have bigger aces

742
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:33,920
in the hole, like if they didn't have that stuff,

743
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,839
like oh, maybe they have something back, but it's like, eh,

744
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,640
we can move forward, and I just wonder and especially

745
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,839
to what we'll talk about. I think it makes it

746
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,039
more interesting. I guess we have transition there now. There's

747
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:44,839
other stuff in the episode, but we're going to the end.

748
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,480
Is so at the end terrible position for Daredevil. Uh,

749
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:51,960
he's going to meet with Cherry. Cherry. I think they

750
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,720
kind of have some text code that he's in trouble,

751
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,599
like a yes or no. But anyways, kids know, Cherry's

752
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:58,400
getting beat up by these cops. He hasn't been beat

753
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,359
up in along or these you know cop you know,

754
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,160
vigil Or, the task Force. I'll say, yeah, they punch him,

755
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,720
you know, Charlie comes in there, he's beating them up.

756
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,839
There's a few things in this scene. One Cherry starts

757
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:11,920
to have a heart attack and his heart is you know,

758
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,519
palpating is going really fast and everything. He gets those

759
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,279
flashbacks of Foggy. I feel like, again, that's almost cheap

760
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,079
if like he's still having minor PTSD about Foggy and

761
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,640
it's like, oh, I'm just alive, right. But the bigger

762
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,400
reason is, and we'll talk about something else in the

763
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,039
scene that I want to get your opinion on. But

764
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,279
they beat it. He's worried about Cherry, he's having his

765
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:31,759
PTSD as freak out. They beat him down and they

766
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:33,880
took off his mask and then boom boo boom. Everyone

767
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,200
gets show on the head. A knife comes down with

768
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,519
the bulls Eye similarly says you're welcome. That's another reason

769
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:40,920
I want to get your opinion on this is because

770
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,640
whatever they're going to do, this uneasy relationship ortist maybe

771
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,400
redemption for bulls Eye if he's dead, that kind of

772
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,079
takes out some of them. That takes out all the

773
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,880
drama of that right of Yeah, Matt's at his lowest,

774
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,799
and to maybe take down Fiskey has to work with

775
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,640
the person he hates the most.

776
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,839
Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know, a person would be like he

777
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,680
almost killed he did, well, yeah, right.

778
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: But he didn't mean to kill him, right, he through

779
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,119
off the roof. It's just because he has that healing factor, right,

780
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,279
And you could argue who does he hate more? King

781
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,200
Bin or Boleseye. It's a pretty toss up. I feel

782
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,599
like it's any day of the week he might change

783
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,400
his mind. So one, what do you think about that?

784
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:13,519
Safe and two what do you think about this potential

785
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,119
Bullseye redemption arc. We kind of tell this last season

786
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,960
where he went to Nelson and Morocc he was like

787
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:20,880
looking at all the posts. I kind of felt like

788
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,200
some remorse for that, And now it's he's saving Matt, Like,

789
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,680
how do you feel about that character? Who I think

790
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,319
they've made pretty gnarly in the show, Like not a

791
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,279
character you would root for other than having a traumatic childhood.

792
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,799
I think it's a very hard character to maybe redeem.

793
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,720
So what are you thinking about this this setup? Now

794
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,960
that we got he's he's looking after Matt, I guess

795
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,599
he's He's saved save Matt and Cherry's life in this episode.

796
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: So mm hmmm. Yeah. I mean the action scene itself

797
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,559
I thought was really really well done. Again, just a

798
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,680
good claustrophobic space. Thought they used the the set very

799
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,000
well in there, So I like all that stuff. And yeah,

800
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,359
I mean I feel like, if anything, this this scene

801
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,799
also seemed to me like almost a bit of foreshadow

802
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,640
for another like potential downfall for Daredevil in the future.

803
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,079
In terms of right now he's like training up Karen.

804
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,960
Are we ever going to get a scene where like

805
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,599
him and Karen are fighting together, like in a sequence,

806
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,640
and how much is he going to be thrown off

807
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,559
by the fact that he's like sensing her being there,

808
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,920
her in pain, her getting hit, her heart rate increasing,

809
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,640
and stuff like that. So I feel like we're gonna

810
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,400
get that again in this season. And obviously that's like

811
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,440
his weakness here, is he just getting is getting so distracted,

812
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,720
and if his senses are being pulled to this other thing,

813
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,720
then his senses are not on what they need to be,

814
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,440
which is like dodging, you know, seven guys coming at

815
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,839
you at the exact same time. So they had him,

816
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,799
they had him dead to rights, and then you know,

817
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,039
he got very lucky there because, yeah, it almost was

818
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,960
gonna be that storyline of him going to prison, like

819
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,359
you mentioned, but at least the cowl or the mask

820
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,200
was taken off there, so at least some of these

821
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,960
cronies learned who he is as well. And I guess

822
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,960
I don't know if they're dead.

823
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,319
Speaker 1: Or not dead. I think they're headshot, and I think

824
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:05,079
there's a couple of guys that all of them.

825
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,279
Speaker 2: Die, though I guess we're assuming every single one of

826
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:07,839
them is dead.

827
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: Then you can't speak to that. But I just feel like,

828
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,960
you know, because there's a lot.

829
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: Of them and some of them already knocked out. I

830
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,800
guess some of the ones that were knocked out didn't

831
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,280
see his face, Yeah, presumably, but yeah, I guess for

832
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,039
the sake of the identity knock getting out, I'll assume

833
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,360
that bulls Eye did kill the rest of them in

834
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,000
that in that sequence there, So all that stuff I

835
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,880
thought was great. And yeah, I mean, as you mentioned,

836
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,920
like this the the there's a reason bulls I didn't

837
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,079
come in the room and then throw like knives and stuff.

838
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,239
You know, he just like staying out the window. Yeah,

839
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,480
because he's probably trying to keep his distance here for

840
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,679
good reason. So I feel like that tension between them,

841
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,000
the drama is gonna be pretty juicy, pretty titillating, I think,

842
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:46,679
So I don't I wonder. I can't wait till we

843
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,280
get a scene of them actually having a conversation, because

844
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,079
I feel like Matt's gonna be either he's gonna try

845
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:54,760
and kill him again, which I doubt. I think he's

846
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,719
kind of maybe past going for the you know, now

847
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,480
that he's out of the heat of the moment. But

848
00:34:58,519 --> 00:34:59,679
I feel like it's gonna be one of those things

849
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:01,519
of like, yeah, yeah, you can help me, but then

850
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:03,679
I want you going to prison afterwards, you know, which

851
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,440
is like, I don't think Bullseye is gonna go for

852
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,360
that part of the plan, so we'll see what happens there.

853
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,559
But either way, I feel like there could be some yeah,

854
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,039
really really good drama between those two, and then you know,

855
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:18,519
presumably Darbel brings him in because he needs the help,

856
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,039
and then you get another sequence of Bullseye and Karen

857
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,079
as well, and that could be another really intense scene

858
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,400
as well. So yeah, I think that's gonna be good fun.

859
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,679
I really really was happy that we got that little

860
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,840
teaser at the end of the episode.

861
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: I would love it if you get a situation where

862
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,880
Matt slash Stair Devil is okay, we'll work together figure

863
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,320
out later, and if Karen maybe tries to take Bullseye

864
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,199
out and that because remember Karen is a bit more

865
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,000
i'll say nicer and Frank, right. I feel like anytime

866
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,679
Karen and Matt have talked about Frank, he's always like, hey,

867
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,679
Frank should be locked up. He's sick, he needs help,

868
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,000
and Karen's like, well, you know, he's been through some

869
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,639
stuff and he's current bad people. So I feel like

870
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,079
she's more on I don't think she's actively trying to

871
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:00,840
kill people, but I think there's there's definitely a few

872
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,239
lines for people that she would be fine with it happening.

873
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,239
So I would kind of love if there was like

874
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,599
a back door plan by Karen to like, Okay, I'm

875
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:10,639
gonna let him help us out, but at one point,

876
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:12,760
like if I get the opportunity to take you out,

877
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,000
I'm I'm taking it. And I would love that as

878
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,400
like maybe that's I don't again, don't necessarily need them

879
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,199
to break up, but if that's maybe a point of

880
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,199
contention with them as far as like, well, you know,

881
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:23,480
should we not get into prison? And she could also

882
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,159
call him out like hey, you tried to kill him once,

883
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,079
why can't I, et cetera. You know, obviously don't talk

884
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,360
about the healing because then that just takes the drama

885
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,760
out of it. If it's like, oh, I can just heal,

886
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,360
so that that's gone. But maybe she doesn't know that

887
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,880
I doesn't remember. Maybe she has some you know, adamantium

888
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,599
bullet something like that, right, like some smoking guns. So

889
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,480
uh yeah, let's look our last ad break and I'll

890
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,280
be right back and I'll share some bulls eye thoughts

891
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:49,960
and we're back. But yeah, for myself, I'm I love

892
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,840
the Bullseye character. I know, I'm excited to see how

893
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,719
Kirkhlam feels the season because he's always very iffy of

894
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,559
that character. But I think that character is just the

895
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,079
best kind of thing we've talked about before. It's just

896
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,760
like chaos theory, Like he just comes in there and

897
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840
you don't know what's gonna happen. Right. You could believe

898
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,800
that he's gonna work with them and the second they

899
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,079
beat Fiskey could turn and kill them all right, or

900
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:08,960
he's just gonna break down and be a blubbering mess.

901
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,440
You really don't know. He's very fun, and I love

902
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,280
Wilson Biffel as that character. I think he just brings

903
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,760
a great unpredictability to him. I saw in the Red

904
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Carpet they asked him but like a special presentation. I

905
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,039
would love that. I hope The Punisher one's a hit

906
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:23,119
because I would love just an hour with this guy

907
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:25,679
and what's his mind? Like, right, maybe it's he's a

908
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,400
higher assassin after the fact, but I think it's it's

909
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,119
interesting because we get these all the time, right, and

910
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,000
it's so fascinating right where I was in we talk

911
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,360
about the Star Wars trilogy, the sequel trilogy all the time.

912
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,039
I think because he had the love aspect, it was

913
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,199
I was like, Okay, I could see Kylo being redeemed

914
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:44,519
all that sort of stuff, but he's still like a

915
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,360
terrorist who helped killed multiple planets, right, But I never

916
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,920
think about that way, and they, oh, I can see it.

917
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,639
We're like boleseyes, kill a lot of people. Really, it's like,

918
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:53,960
let's just say this army. He's just killed Foggy. But

919
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,559
because of how well Charlie Cox's acted out and how

920
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,880
hard he was, I'm like, I can't ever feel like

921
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,480
I can cheer for this guy, like like I can

922
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,760
cheer from it as a character I like watching, but

923
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,519
can I see him, Like we get Defenders season two

924
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:07,639
and he's on the team, It's like, I don't know,

925
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,280
you know, Like that's the thing, right, It's like, I

926
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,559
it's an interesting character because I never thought they're gonna

927
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,400
redeem him. I thought they were gonna go with and

928
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,360
maybe the still will of just we're gonna work together

929
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,400
because we both hate Fisk. And then after that it's

930
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,760
either you arrest me or I take you out and

931
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,719
it's fair game till then, and until then it's a truth,

932
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,760
right Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't know if that's it?

933
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Is it that? And I think I'm more fine with

934
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,400
that opposed to Hey, I made a lot of mistakes.

935
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,000
I'm mentally hurt and I'm gonna try and fix them.

936
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,679
I'm not saying it's an instant no for me. I

937
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,519
just have to think, or I have to think. I

938
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,119
do think you need to have that very well ridden

939
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,079
for us as the audience to buy in, especially if

940
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,280
Foggy's dead, if there's some stupid thing where it's like

941
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,760
he did find Foggy and he's the one brings Foggy back, Like, actually,

942
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,960
I didn't kill you a friend, I know where? Then okay,

943
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,719
then the easy redemption shirt.

944
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: I gave him my healing fact.

945
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. I knew I regret it the second

946
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,039
and I did it. But like, if Foggy is dead,

947
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,360
which I hope, so that makes it more juicy of

948
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:09,280
how do you work with and maybe forgive this character, right,

949
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,679
especially Matt loss Sime is a Catholic guy, right, and

950
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,639
big thing of multiple religions is the forgiveness in the

951
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,920
road to redemption. Right, So if he is a practicing Catholic,

952
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,880
you would think there should be in his eyes, there

953
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,320
should be a way for God what's his name, Benjamin

954
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,440
Point Dexter to work his way back. And but I

955
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:30,159
don't know, and I don't know, even though you said

956
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:31,920
you don't think that. Maybe I could see a version.

957
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,840
Maybe Puncher does do that where or not Punisher bullsye

958
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,920
does that where he does all this stuff and Matt

959
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:39,760
expects a fight and he does just turn himself in.

960
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,679
Maybe he goes you know what, Yeah, I did really

961
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,519
screw up. And that's what I mean, that's what I

962
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,159
leveled this Bullsy character. Or literally the last episode could

963
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,320
be they take out Fisk and maybe dared Olin Bulls

964
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,639
I do go at it. It's like, okay, it's over.

965
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,440
Now we're gonna fight.

966
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see him, you know, he's the

967
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:55,400
kind of guy who would take out Fisk and then

968
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,039
maybe take his own life too. I could see him

969
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:57,599
going that road.

970
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: One. That's the thing with Bulls.

971
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: It's like some crazy wanted level like curved knife and he.

972
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,639
Speaker 1: Has Matt do it. He's like, the only way you

973
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,880
can kill me is someone throws in ricochets at three

974
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,880
times and I backflip into it. Yeah, And that's the

975
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,719
thing that all these scenarios we've talked about feel like

976
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,920
they would fit this character because he's just erratic, right,

977
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,719
So yeah, so I'm curious where he goes. And I

978
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,880
also feel like because Frank has his own special and

979
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,400
he's in the Spider Man movie, it feels like they're

980
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,760
kind of cheating again that dynamic where Daredevil never loves

981
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,039
working with people that kill, and it's like, well, Birthall's

982
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:38,960
kind of busy, he has two things going on, So

983
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:41,400
Bullseye's kind of that too, right, Where even if they

984
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,039
just agree to work together, is Matt just fine with

985
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,559
him killing all the vigilantes because Matt's trying not to

986
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,239
do that? Right? So that's where I think that's kind

987
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,559
of a bit of a cheat where maybe that feels

988
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,320
like that could have been Frank's role and they're like, well, yeah,

989
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,360
he's gonna go fight Hulk and be a Spider Man,

990
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,159
so use bulls eye in here, and maybe that, Like

991
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,039
I wonder if Bullseye, if he storyline would remain the

992
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,119
same if burn Fall was still open for business, right,

993
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,000
So yeah, I don't know I'm very excited though to

994
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,960
see where it all goes.

995
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: So and do we is He's Burns not in this

996
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:11,599
season at all? Then? Is that kind?

997
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,119
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No. I especially with that special,

998
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,360
I think maybe the most is like an end credit

999
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000
that would maybe like yeah, next week, you know, yeah,

1000
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,480
But I don't think he plays any role With that special.

1001
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,320
Coming out a week after the finale, I feel like

1002
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920
it's almost like a it's it's DLC, you know, It's like, oh, yeah,

1003
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:32,320
here's here's what Frank's been up to. Right, So I was, oh,

1004
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,800
this is one I was gonna ask you. And this

1005
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,760
is what I still find very curious for. We talked

1006
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,199
about this many times and we thought, oh, at the

1007
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,599
end of the season, because this task force, because what's happening.

1008
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,159
And the beginning of last season they had Fisk and uh,

1009
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,079
Matt mean that diner, right, and Matt kind of said, Hey,

1010
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,119
as long as you're just actually mayor trying to do well,

1011
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,159
we'll leave you alone. And Fist said, hey, I know

1012
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:54,920
you're daredevil, but as long as you're not dareduvil again,

1013
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,920
I'm gonna leave you alone. Autly, Matt took up the

1014
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,559
costs back when the cops took up the mass at all.

1015
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:04,400
It's Matt and anybody discord joining discord listeners on anything

1016
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,039
like that. If there's anything actually hang on, I should

1017
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:09,880
shout out, I forgot to show that. The Patroon Producers

1018
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1019
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1020
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1021
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,400
m There are three tiers. There's four tiers. That's a

1022
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,159
four free tier, but there are really three tiers joined them.

1023
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,800
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1025
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1027
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1028
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1033
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,199
But to throw it back, why has Fist not revealed

1034
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,199
who Matt Murdock is dyl Mus? To me, this makes

1035
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,960
zero sense.

1036
00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if where's he doesn't have to lose,

1037
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,280
you know, well, I mean I think part of maybe

1038
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,000
his plan is getting you know, obviously he went for

1039
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,119
what's his name, Cherry and as leverage to get to

1040
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:13,559
Matt and all this stuff, and so I guess maybe

1041
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,719
maybe that's the reason why. Maybe he doesn't want any

1042
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,039
clues getting traced back to him. And if just like

1043
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:23,360
categorically everyone who's like mathematically close to Matt Murdock is

1044
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,519
just getting killed and disappears, maybe I don't know, maybe

1045
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:29,840
that would get then traced back to him as someone

1046
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,800
who's actively trying to hunt down Daredevil. So maybe he's

1047
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,199
just trying to do it more. Maybe you know, maybe

1048
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,719
he also wants it to be some big, huge reveal

1049
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,079
where he can capture him and then get some big

1050
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:44,599
live stream going on, yeah on some CD live streaming

1051
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,800
site because you know it's banned on Twitch or whatever,

1052
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,320
and then he can like do the mass reveal live

1053
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,039
in person. Like that's the kind of thing he would

1054
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,800
want to do, and that would like you know, discredit

1055
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,400
this whole this whole lawyer practice and all these people

1056
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:00,880
and you know, do a bunch of things as well.

1057
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,039
So I think it could be kind of maybe one

1058
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,400
of those two things. Maybe he loses leverage once he

1059
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,239
finally gives it away when he doesn't really have a

1060
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,559
reason to yet because already, like Matt is already in

1061
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,239
hiding and he's not he's kind of going around in public,

1062
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,000
but he's wearing his hood, he's wearing his shades, and

1063
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,559
he's being sneaky when he's going to that restaurant and stuff.

1064
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,960
So yeah, it's like, even without having revealed the identity,

1065
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,239
he's still already having to sneak around and stuff. So

1066
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,840
I don't know how much the public being like the

1067
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,199
eyes and ears for Fisk to be like, oh, help

1068
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,920
us find Daredevil if you see him text this number.

1069
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:32,400
I don't I don't know if that would really make

1070
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,599
much of a difference at this point.

1071
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,159
Speaker 1: Okay, I could, I could maybe get on board. I

1072
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,599
would love at some point even if there's a quick

1073
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,159
conversation with Vanessa of her pitching that are like, why

1074
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,559
don't we tell people who he is? Especially if maybe

1075
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:47,920
a couple episodes they have these traps and they don't

1076
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,079
catch them. And maybe that's the idea of, hey, what

1077
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:51,480
if you told the public who he is and I

1078
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:53,880
could help and if this reveals those sort of reasons,

1079
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,719
just because I just just because he led with that

1080
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,679
right of hey, if if you become daredevil again, I'm

1081
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,920
gonna expose you and everything, And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe

1082
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,079
wasn't exposed. Maybe we'd just become after you. But he

1083
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,239
just feels like Fisk would also Underhandley just say hey,

1084
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,119
even though like you said, you're right, those peop are

1085
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:11,480
closed to him, maybe it could still help with people

1086
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,639
like when he's at the restaurant, if anyone sees him,

1087
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,559
which he's still hiding, right, he's got a hood and

1088
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,880
glasses like you said, but if anyone sees him, still

1089
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,719
does a hotline or maybe he thinks that's gonna are hurt. Right,

1090
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,360
maybe people like Karen him would just be texting that

1091
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,400
number like incorrect information, or they'd be using that as

1092
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,280
a trap. So again, I just want some clarification of

1093
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,280
I'm not it's not a negative yet, but I want

1094
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,119
to know Fisk's actual thinking of why wouldn't you throw

1095
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,800
this out there potentially to other people because we got

1096
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,199
that confirmed. That all they said that Matt Murdoch was

1097
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,199
missing in the show to the public again. This is

1098
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,239
the second time in his life he's been missing. I

1099
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,119
would never hire this lawyer, this guy and Daredevil's season

1100
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:51,679
two or in what was it, Defenders of Building blew up,

1101
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,719
he was gone. Now he's just missing again. If he's

1102
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,199
your lawyer, man, this sucks. You can never get hold

1103
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,840
of this guy, you know, just like his partner who's

1104
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,880
just like I guess alone now at that firm, right,

1105
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,840
she was working with them, doesn't know where Matt is

1106
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,119
and he's just She's just alone now. Karen Karen a

1107
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,679
load and that's where again same thing. I don't care

1108
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,159
that much about that character she was in last season.

1109
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,519
And you know, the two scenes show what's going that.

1110
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,199
That's fine. I don't know if I need written out

1111
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,280
like Heather, but keep it to that kind of amount

1112
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,039
and I think I'm I'm okay with what's going on there.

1113
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:23,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't know if are we gonna get

1114
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:29,039
a courtroom scene this season because who that might be

1115
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,679
the first time we haven't in the Daredevil season.

1116
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: I feel like with because I don't know what's gonna happen.

1117
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,280
He made that called Heather whoever that other cops or

1118
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,079
whatever he was, he worked as like an or No,

1119
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,199
he was in their lawyer. I feel like we could

1120
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:45,079
see the Swordsman trial or part of it, right, because

1121
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:46,880
that's whatever his name is.

1122
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't think he's even gonna get to trial. I

1123
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,800
feel like this guy's just locked up without even getting

1124
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,239
a trial, is the perception I have. But I guess,

1125
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,199
you know, part of the season is them overcoming that.

1126
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,760
So yeah, maybe maybe, yeah, maybe that's Matt's big Maybe

1127
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,960
they did want one big room scene and maybe it's

1128
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,800
that one that he comes in for or something like.

1129
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: I could see that, which would be big because then

1130
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,920
he would reveal where he is though, right, and that's

1131
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,519
a moment where, yeah, if he goes into court, why

1132
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:11,400
would Fist then at that point not say hey, that's

1133
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,559
Daredevil and then everyone rests him right there, not even

1134
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,000
wait and they would jump on him, right, because.

1135
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,079
Speaker 2: Maybe Fisk needs like better proof for something too, because

1136
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:21,280
if he just goes on TV and says like I guess,

1137
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,679
I guess everyone in the town pretty much just believes

1138
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,360
whatever he says. At this point, based on like that video,

1139
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,599
the classic BB Street Yeah people on the Street videos

1140
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,280
that we got here, so maybe it would work. I

1141
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,079
guess it probably would.

1142
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 1: Also the reason I think the trials because they mentioned

1143
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:37,400
them multiple times like, oh, the trials are going to

1144
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,199
begin for the whatever the truth some act name, and then.

1145
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: As they're very stressed about that, yeah, yeah, and then

1146
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:43,880
also led to Kry. I just didn't know if that

1147
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,480
meant that he was he was the one doing that

1148
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:47,679
or someone else's.

1149
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,599
Speaker 1: I don't think he is. I think he's just like

1150
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,800
aware of it because Karen asks like, oh, do you

1151
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,960
ever miss Matt Murrock, And that's when they start talking

1152
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,199
about Nelson and the avocados and stuff. So that's where

1153
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:57,800
I feel. I don't know if you'll see it, but

1154
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,960
I could see Swordsman trial and that be I could

1155
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,639
see unfortunately, he might say some stuff he's not supposed to,

1156
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:05,400
and I can actually see him perishing there, like maybe

1157
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,800
joins Matt, but I also see him just being killed

1158
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,000
on the stand before he says maybe some stuff that's

1159
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:12,760
against Fisky more So, I don't know, but I think

1160
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,719
we'll get, uh, we'll get I'm gonna say two dil

1161
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,039
I'm gonna say the trials here and then maybe one

1162
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,760
of the end when if Matt My theory is wrong

1163
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960
and Matt Murdoch doesn't go to prison, maybe the end

1164
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,119
of the last season or last episode is him like

1165
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,119
back in the courtroom doing his thing, like he's back

1166
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,039
there and it's kind of good to be back. Happy

1167
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:31,800
to me, Matt Murrocks. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say

1168
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,840
two don two out of the eight episode. Okay, we're

1169
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,280
gonna get that. So let's see. I know I had

1170
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,039
one Morena, Oh, we you just talked about that. I

1171
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:41,920
because we talked about this. I think when a trailer

1172
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,400
came all we're like, what the hell's going on? We

1173
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,280
got that answer of Fisk where he has like the

1174
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,840
weird face and he's like the skin your versions.

1175
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the hunk a hunk o news of vibes that.

1176
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I love that where clearly it is bbe

1177
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,920
doing both casts, I would imagine, right because we got

1178
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,719
to see the whole Okay, she's doing what she said.

1179
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,679
She's putting out kind of puff pieces for Fisk. As

1180
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,800
far as oh New York's never been better in the

1181
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,440
crime rate. They just show happy people with the task

1182
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,360
Force having a good time. Even that one guy says like,

1183
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,000
oh yeah, this is the best ever been, And when

1184
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:13,840
the camera goes off, he looks a little dishoveled, right,

1185
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,280
like he's probably just saying this because he's fearing for

1186
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,960
his life, right, he doesn't want to get profiled or anything.

1187
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,679
But then after that you're getting these yeah hun Kung

1188
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,280
a very anti propaganda all boat Fisk and they're revealing

1189
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,159
everything as far as like, oh what's on the boat?

1190
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:29,800
They're talking about him killing ben Yurick, everything like that.

1191
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,360
So I really enjoyed that. I know we talked about

1192
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,280
last year how many of the BB reports stuff could

1193
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,960
have been used a little bit more. Just felt like

1194
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:39,159
some kind of exposition filler. But I think if I'm

1195
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,559
hoping this is Bbe doing this, that gives her character

1196
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:44,960
a sense of urgency and purpose as far as Okay,

1197
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,559
Man Karen are doing all this stuff. But sometimes some

1198
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,039
of these heroes can do something or these sidecarrics, Okay,

1199
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,960
what did you really do here? Like what did you do?

1200
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,079
The group project? At least like this could be Bebe's way,

1201
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,039
as if the tie turns on Fisk, she's like, oh yeah,

1202
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,559
I did those things. I did those news reports everything

1203
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:04,239
to go okay. One it ties back into he killed

1204
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,960
her uncle and that's karma. But two, it gives his

1205
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,280
characters some urgency and not just okay, she's a reporter

1206
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,840
in New York that's seeing some shady stuff, which is like, okay, good,

1207
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,480
but you still need her to do have some plot point, right.

1208
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:21,000
So I was liking those newscasts, so yeah, yeah, I agree, yep.

1209
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:22,719
And then the last thing I was gonna say, we

1210
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,599
told this before Haifilm with the black suit. Seeing in

1211
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,039
action looking at it.

1212
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,559
Speaker 2: It's fine. I don't love it, but I'm not against it.

1213
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: It's okay, decent enough. I love it as like a

1214
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,199
season suit. I don't think I would ever make this

1215
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,719
the the full on suit, but yeah, but I've always

1216
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,440
been this is a suit similar to one in the

1217
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,719
shadow Lands. I still like that it has the red

1218
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,039
underneath it, so it just almost feels like it's his

1219
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,079
permanent stealth suit. But I think there's also a fun

1220
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,800
thing about that where, even though I want them to

1221
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,079
keep the double d's, I think as the season goes on,

1222
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,480
if more that paint wears off, if there is an

1223
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:59,360
idea of him becoming the hero, and the cast and

1224
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,800
fisc out is far as slowly but surely the Reds

1225
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,400
coming back and Daredevil almost like the opening credits where

1226
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,639
it's the buildings falling and reassembling. So I think there's

1227
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:10,960
something there. But also again, if I'm right and he

1228
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,320
gets arrested, then that doesn't really make any sense because

1229
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,320
he won't be wearing that suit. So yeah, is there

1230
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,760
anything else we missed? Anything else?

1231
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:22,519
Speaker 2: Not too much. There was that scene at the restaurant

1232
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000
with the lady who's kind of helping people get out

1233
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,119
of New York. But I don't know if I have

1234
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,639
much to say on that yet. I feel like that

1235
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,800
is very much a little slow burn. We're gonna get

1236
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,639
more going on there. The other just quick shout? Is

1237
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:37,960
that other? Because there's two interrogation scenes in this episode.

1238
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,800
But well you said his name is Buck, Is that right?

1239
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,199
But yeah, yeah, with Buck, I thought, I just I

1240
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,960
loved his performance in that scene. I thought that was

1241
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,920
a really compelling scene that he was trying to get

1242
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,159
the Task Force guy to have some humanity, but then

1243
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,440
he just headshots this guy and kills him anyway, and

1244
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,639
then when it like zooms out, I thought the lighting

1245
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,719
was gorgeous in that shot. I just thought it was really, really,

1246
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,920
really well shot that scene, so I wanted to shout

1247
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,320
that one up.

1248
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I like the character because I remember last

1249
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,519
season where a little if he's kind of like a

1250
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:10,679
replacement for that Wesley character in the original show, right right,

1251
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,880
So I think last character or last season, he was

1252
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,719
a little wooden. So yeah, I like that. And again

1253
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,280
still he technically he at least did put the guy

1254
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,280
out more humanely, right, like he did kill him, but

1255
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,239
he did just like a gunshot to the head instead

1256
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,800
of like ripping his ear off and everything, so it

1257
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,360
is a bit nicer at least, So I'm interesting that.

1258
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,480
And I think, like we talked about last year too,

1259
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:34,440
with the I can't remember, I think it's Michael Galad Galdolfini,

1260
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,400
the guy that's like likes Pebe and she's getting info

1261
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:39,599
from him. I'm curious what they could do more with

1262
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,480
him this season because they felt we kind of felt

1263
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,280
like we liked him, but he was a little under baked,

1264
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,960
so I don't know. Maybe he's just gonna get taken

1265
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,880
down because fist gets taken down and say, LEVI but no,

1266
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:50,920
I like that scene and I'm also very ready for

1267
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,280
this Task Force to get completely taken, especially that one guy.

1268
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,119
I liked that they did bring him back. I don't

1269
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:57,519
know if you remember for last season he was like

1270
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:59,880
the main task Force guy. He like gone to it

1271
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,159
a couple of times. Sometimes those characters in between seasons

1272
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:04,639
can just get forgne and it's like, oh, here's a

1273
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,920
new leader of the task Force. Right. He had that

1274
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,760
great scene where he's sitting on a chair talking to

1275
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,679
Frank and there's all the Task Force behind him. They

1276
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,400
still even I was looking for. They still even have

1277
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,159
the puncher yeah symbol. It's smaller, but they still have

1278
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,239
that symbol. So again, it does feel a little odd

1279
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,639
with Frank. Maybe his special will go into that if

1280
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,559
it does. But yeah, I don't know see anything else

1281
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:26,639
on this show before I just throw some other news

1282
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:27,280
that you hear quick.

1283
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,639
Speaker 2: No, I think that's all my notes for this episode here.

1284
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,159
Speaker 1: Okay, So obviously I don't think you've watched this. Yeah

1285
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:34,760
you haven't watched wonder Men yet, right.

1286
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,599
Speaker 2: No, But now that I subscribed to Disney Plus again,

1287
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,039
maybe I'll try and watch it. Well, well, did dar

1288
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:42,079
Doubles going on? Yeah, I think you should I think

1289
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,360
you'd like it, especially now that more is on the way.

1290
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's the big news that we were kind

1291
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,599
of surprised about this week because that show talk about

1292
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,000
lack of promotion, like Daredevil that was put out there,

1293
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:55,039
not much out there, and it was the binge drop, right,

1294
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:57,119
So it's kind of we've got this feeling before. When

1295
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:58,559
they do the binge drop, it's kind of like, ah,

1296
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,079
we just want to push this aside, right, and then

1297
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,679
it gets the release or gets the confirmation yesterday they're

1298
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:07,039
doing the season two. It's very exciting. Yeah, I'm excited

1299
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:08,559
for you guys to watch. Also, we'll talk about next

1300
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,079
year for Golden Geeks. I said this before, the Ben

1301
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:14,920
and Trevor are not Ben. That's Ben Kingsley with Simon.

1302
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,559
The Simon and Trevor connection, one of my favorite duos

1303
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:20,400
in the MCU deal. I think you're really gonna enjoy

1304
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,199
their connection. I think they've done some great things with

1305
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,719
that character all the way from Mike Ironman three to now,

1306
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,039
have some great reflections. There's a couple of really good

1307
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,079
just single episodes, and I think this fits with what

1308
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:32,840
I've talked about a few times. We've talked about like

1309
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,039
what are they doing with Disney Plus, Marvel and everything.

1310
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,440
I think they are going back to We've talked about

1311
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,000
this in the nonsports where I think the new method

1312
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:43,119
is the old method, where it's we're gonna have more

1313
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,440
street level or cheaper shows that could kind of connect,

1314
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,639
where before it's like, okay, the Netflix shows they connected

1315
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:51,480
a little, but you didn't see them in movies. I

1316
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,639
think it's that where it's like they connect a little

1317
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,760
more and Dared Devil could be in a movie, Punisher

1318
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,679
be in a movie. I don't think you're ever gonna

1319
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,679
get like all the first appearance of King is in

1320
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,440
a TV show, like one his kids TV show, So yeah,

1321
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:07,800
that's even like he gave me a Disney Plus that

1322
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,039
was still the old TV show. Yes, yeah, I feel

1323
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:12,559
like now it's gonna be stuff where okay, sure they

1324
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:14,639
can complain in the sandbox, but you're never gonna see

1325
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,039
something massive set up in these TV shows. And that's

1326
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,039
where when you watch wonder Man, it does it's very

1327
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:21,760
much like by itself. It's in the MSU. There's tons

1328
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,280
of illusions and talked about things that's happened in the MSU,

1329
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,280
but never like you literally could watch a show and

1330
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,239
it could never connect to MSU and you'd be like, oh, yeah,

1331
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,519
I guess it's just a superhero show, right. So I

1332
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:33,559
think they're gonna do that a lot more now and

1333
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:35,320
it makes sense and for myself that I think I

1334
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,920
gave it like a like a seven to seven point five.

1335
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,480
I think it was very more enjoyable than I thought.

1336
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:43,159
I'm excited to see more and I honestly thought I'd

1337
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,679
never see more of this duo again, and that excites me.

1338
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,559
So that's I don't know what the season or the

1339
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:51,119
year is, but I think they'll even punish her. From

1340
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,639
season one to season two was one year. I think

1341
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:55,760
if yeah, yeah, and Ben Kingsley aren't busy, it was

1342
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,679
it wasn't really affects heavy show as well either, so

1343
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:00,960
I think a lot easier to shoot, Like there's some

1344
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,280
but nothing crazy, you know.

1345
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,599
Speaker 2: So did it end in a way that I'm guessing

1346
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:08,440
it didn't end in away that was like big Cliffhangary.

1347
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,239
It was like probably pretty succinct and like, could it

1348
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,280
if it was one season, you would have been happy

1349
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,559
with it ending there? Or did it leave a lot

1350
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:15,360
of loose threads?

1351
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,559
Speaker 1: No, I would say it was in the middle where

1352
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,400
there wasn't a single cliffhanger, but also felt like, oh,

1353
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,159
there's still a lot more we could do here if

1354
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,199
you could end the show and be Okay, this was

1355
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,079
wonder man cool, but it also felt like, oh, we're

1356
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:29,519
there's a couple of ventures here that are open that

1357
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,000
we could go down that road on, especially the I'd

1358
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:33,719
say the last few minutes. But it didn't end in

1359
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,519
a way where like Yahyas has his hand on sometimes

1360
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:38,400
a gun, someone shoots and it cuts to black, you know,

1361
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,440
nothing like that, like did he die or something. So

1362
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,239
they got that and then yeah, they dated. We talked

1363
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,039
about so a few times already. But the data it's

1364
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:49,440
called Dylan the Punisher, One Last Kill. It's coming out

1365
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:50,119
May twelfth.

1366
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: It giving me the last dance vibe, So I don't

1367
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:54,559
love that.

1368
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:58,519
Speaker 1: It's coming out May twelve. It's gonna be sixty minutes,

1369
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,760
sixty plus minutes, so you know, I'll probably just an

1370
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,320
hour under an hour with the credits. Uh, let me

1371
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,280
hit you with this enough sause. I. I had a

1372
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,320
good laugh with this one. As Frank Castle searches for

1373
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,400
meaning beyond revenge, an unexpected force pulls them back into

1374
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,320
the fight. That is what the Punisher Special is about.

1375
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:20,679
Speaker 2: Feeling about that, I mean, for you, it probably means

1376
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:22,039
a lot from me that it's so vague that I

1377
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:26,599
don't really know what to take from that. Uh yeah, okay,

1378
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,719
I mean I'm a little pissed because it comes out

1379
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:32,000
when I'm on my trip, I'll be uh yeah, I

1380
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:34,280
will not be on the episode. Unfortunately, they always catch you,

1381
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,079
but I'll of course what we've been watching as soon

1382
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:39,960
as I get back, I'll be watching that for sure.

1383
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:42,519
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, And I feel like I'm hoping we're

1384
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:44,320
gonna top on Golden Geeks. You know. That's why I'm

1385
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,000
hoping it's that good. But no, for me, don't I

1386
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:50,480
don't know what's alluding to so story. I'm I guess

1387
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,719
there's two things I take from this, the one last kill?

1388
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:57,840
I'm very is it there's three things? Is this just

1389
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,960
a cool title? Is it? Again?

1390
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: Is it a cool title?

1391
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:03,679
Speaker 1: Well? I just mean like they're like we need something

1392
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,800
the last Kill? Sure? Like is it just like a

1393
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,719
meaningless title in a sense? Right? Like even the home

1394
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,840
titles like sure Homecoming.

1395
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Speaker 2: Far from Home, they're very don't started on that brand new?

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Speaker 1: But is it just marketing? Is it one last kill?

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My favorite storyline where oh, Frank finds one more person

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that hurt his family, so we got to find them

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because that was a running gag in the Punisher Show

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where it's like, oh, this person actually was this person

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00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,480
that I happened like three or four times or what

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I'm very worried about. And that's what I'm with the synopsis.

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I think it's gonna allude to and I hate this till.

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I think we've talked about we kind of begged on

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00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,960
this many times in the Punisher Show. I think it's

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gonna open up with him killing some dude and then

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again for like the fifty thousand times, Frank Castle's gonna

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be like, you know what, this is the end of

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the Punisher. I gotta stop. And especially I don't get

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it wrong. I could see why it's warranted from a

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character perspective, because I think last season when he saw

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all those assholes wearing his symbol, he probably did think, man,

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I probably screwed up. Like people have taken the wrong

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message from this, like look all these people that are

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hurting inns, the people where my logo this is bad.

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But we talked about this where when Dared Douvil season

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two started, he was the Punisher, he got his revenge

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in the family. He quit being the Punisher when he

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would punish the season one open he killed some people,

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quit being the Punisher, and then got brought in, and

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then on the Punisher season two started, did some kills,

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not the Punisher in back. He has quit and restarted

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a couple times, even with last Dared double season. Luckily

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he said he couldn't help Matt because he was on

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a mission. He was locked down in his little bunker

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watching all these TV shows, but he still did the classic.

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Anytime he's on a sabbatical, long hair, big beard, he's

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not doing anything. So it's just like, I just love that.

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What are the pitch rooms for these Punisher stories? Like, Hey,

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I got it, what if Frank decided to stop killing

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but something brings him up? Like can we get anything original?

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So again I will wait to see a trailer and

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what we actually get here, But that synopsis again just

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00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,840
feels like we've seen this now three times with not

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which just it it'd be different was Punisher. We've seen

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this with John Berthall's Punch. Yeah, like this exact storyline

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01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,400
again and again like just have him be Punisher. Stop

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and we know he's gonna be Punisher. There's no like

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imagine if he wasn't in Daredevil and they're like, hey,

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we're doing the special and I don't think they would,

1441
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:20,440
but we could speculate, Oh, maybe they're gonna do a

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Logan and kill him off. Maybe he's done. But it's

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like in five months from now or four months from now,

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01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,360
he's popping around, quit your whimper, and and he's run

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around Spider Man. So this whole idea of like always

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searching for something beyond.

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Speaker 2: Got the Dark Passenger Travis, he just can't. He just

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01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:34,159
can't let it go.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just I'm over it, you know, I'm

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01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,480
just I'm done. Like the only good thing the new

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01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:41,519
seasons Dexter have done that he's just been like, you

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01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:43,199
know what, I'm just a killer. I got a rock

1453
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,960
with it trying to stop. It's been a bad thing.

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And you know what, that took three different versions of

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01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:50,079
the show and like fifteen years to get there. But

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I hope we can just maybe Spider Man will be

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that and or I wondered with the one last kill

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and this is what I wonder if he will get

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01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,239
really fired up. Do you think there's a chance he

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01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,679
could go into Spider Man brand new day and he's

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a vigilante but he's no longer a killer.

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Speaker 2: I think that'd be very I don't feel more Spider Many, right,

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01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,159
Spider Man being a bit more.

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Speaker 1: PGG thirteen right. And that's what I wonder too, is like,

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I feel like fans are gonna flip their shit if

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that happens. If he's like, you could do PG thirteen

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01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:22,119
Killer Punisher, but if he's like, I'm no longer taking lives,

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I ain't like, oh they ruined him, Spider Man ruined him. Yeah.

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01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: Like if it feels like, oh, this is a Disney Punisher,

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people are like, oh, I don't know if I like

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01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:31,719
that so much.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I just wondered if that one last

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kill kills literally you.

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01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:37,119
Speaker 2: Know, you can't kill Hulk, so maybe that's what it is.

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Maybe he's like trying, but you just can't. You just

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can't do that.

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Speaker 1: You can kill Scorpion though he's in there, and you

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01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:43,280
could take Scorpion on easily.

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Speaker 2: You know you wan't say easily, but yeah, I was

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gonna say, is that easy?

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01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: I think the MCU Scorpion.

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Speaker 2: You know, Scorpion's got like healing or something too, just

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like everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure. And one of the shots of trailers

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,400
the film Boomerang, I think Frank cast gonna take out Boomerang.

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01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:02,960
You know Boomerang, Yeah, boom Yeah, there's Boomerang, there's Boomerang,

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01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,480
there's Tarantula, there's Tombstone, there's scoring. They got a lot

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of like BC Tier like characters confirmed.

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Speaker 2: So I haven't seen the trailer yet.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you'll you'll see him. He's chucking Boomerang than

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:12,719
the tree.

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Speaker 2: Is he better or worse than was it Captain Boomerang

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01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,719
from a squad? Oh?

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01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,639
Speaker 1: Worse? Yeah, he's And I could be wrong. I think

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01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:21,440
let me just fact.

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: Is he gonna use an iPhone to like track his

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01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,199
opponents like Captain Boomerang?

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Speaker 1: Did he could? Oh yeah, his name is just Boomerang.

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He could. We didn't get to see that. But uh,

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I would say Captain Boomerang is better on the DC

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side because least he becomes a suicide squad member. This

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01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,199
guy's just like a D Tier film. But I think

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01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:39,599
Frank could kill him, So it's Frank's not killing him

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01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:42,480
I'm I'm very curious how people react to that, you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But that is the little news there, And that is

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01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,480
our review for Daredevil Burning and the season two premiere.

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We will be back next week with episode two and three,

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01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,079
a double header, and we'll see who's joined us, and

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01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:56,960
I promise you it'll not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Good night,