Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog.
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground, like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was? Or
Speaker 1: was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through
Speaker 1: the window now and I don't see anything. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go outside. Jesus quice you better Hello, hit
Speaker 1: the boddy out here? What quent on out there? I
Speaker 1: thought of a bitch about text foot nine. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Easy ann out there? Yeah, I'm walking right.
Speaker 2: Hey, like folks on, welcome our guest to the show.
Speaker 2: It is Darren from Oregon. Welcome to the show, sir,
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I have been looking forward to
Speaker 2: this conversation, so let's jump right into it. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about this bigfoot thing. What in the world got you
Speaker 2: interested in the subject?
Speaker 3: To begin with, Originally, I'm a paranormal investigator. I do
Speaker 3: ghost I've been doing ghosts for thirty years. It was
Speaker 3: my brother who was the Bigfoot guy. So we went
Speaker 3: up and we were looking at this old house and
Speaker 3: we stumbled upon a family of squatch and had a
Speaker 3: nice little five minute encounter them staring at us. I
Speaker 3: was staring at them. It dropped in my lap, and
Speaker 3: now it's a mic session that I need to know more.
Speaker 2: You have been bitten by the Bigfoot bug. I think
Speaker 2: Bigfoot bites us all in the ass at some point
Speaker 2: in time. It happened for me very early on, when
Speaker 2: I was like twelve years old. I really got into
Speaker 2: the subject and I've been into it ever since. It
Speaker 2: sounds like you went off the deep end and had
Speaker 2: an experience pretty quickly. There's people I've talked to that
Speaker 2: have been in this. Gosh, Peter Burn comes to mind.
Speaker 2: I think it was the last person to interview Peter
Speaker 2: before he passed away a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 2: he'd been in the subject for sixty years and he
Speaker 2: never got to have an experience with these things. I
Speaker 2: think I've said on the podcast a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever found a footprint. But I
Speaker 2: did go back when I remastered that episode and he
Speaker 2: did find his own footprint once. But that's about the
Speaker 2: extent of his experiences. So it is very rare for
Speaker 2: people to enter into this and have an experience that
Speaker 2: early on. Let's jump right into it and talk about
Speaker 2: that first experience. Where were you guys, What were you
Speaker 2: doing and tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 3: Actually, we were doing bachelor party, me and all my guys.
Speaker 3: We were going to go up to this old abandoned colony.
Speaker 3: We did our basic ghost stuff and we talked to
Speaker 3: some spirits and we got all the evidence. We kneed
Speaker 3: it up on top of the hill and we were
Speaker 3: trying to look for the cemetery because we were told
Speaker 3: that they buried all their dead a little bit lower
Speaker 3: down off the hillside. So as we're trying to find it,
Speaker 3: we go to where we were told it was. So
Speaker 3: we had talked to the historical Society and we're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we want to go to the the Brabyard and pay
Speaker 3: our respects, and they're like, oh, here's the coordinates, here's
Speaker 3: where you go. We went there and there's no cemetery. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is odd. So we're standing up a little bit
Speaker 3: of a hillside and there's a little meadow underneath us,
Speaker 3: and one of my guys goes, there's something staring at us.
Speaker 3: It's mine, one o'clock. It's over there, and we follow
Speaker 3: his hand. We start looking and it's two adult females
Speaker 3: and two juveniles. I think we all just stumbled upon
Speaker 3: each other, and the squatch are confused. We're confused because
Speaker 3: there's eight guys sitting up on the hillside and we're
Speaker 3: locked eyes with these things. One of the females runs
Speaker 3: across the meadow and hides behind a tree. We're ghost hunters.
Speaker 3: We have thermal cameras, so on video we have this
Speaker 3: giant heap plume standing behind a tree. We can see
Speaker 3: that it's sitting behind this tree. We're staring at it.
Speaker 3: And we got another female. She's crouched down behind us
Speaker 3: log and she's staring at us, and we're all making
Speaker 3: eye contact, and we're about eighty feet away, and the
Speaker 3: two juveniles, two little ones, they're like trying to crawl
Speaker 3: away into this little cave of system behind them. So
Speaker 3: the two females, they're obviously trying to get our attention.
Speaker 3: So we're not totally paying attention to what's going on
Speaker 3: with kids. We're seeing eyeshine out of the cave from
Speaker 3: the kids, and we're just like, this is a once
Speaker 3: in lifetime, this is crazy. My brother, who is the
Speaker 3: bigfoot guy, goes give a whoop like okay, so I
Speaker 3: hoop and we get a whoop back. This is going
Speaker 3: on for about five minutes where you fixated on what
Speaker 3: we're seeing, and then we get a whoop from behind
Speaker 3: us and rocks thrown at us as we all turn
Speaker 3: around because we've already violated so many rules of being
Speaker 3: in the woods. Keep your head on a swivel, don't
Speaker 3: be fixating on one area. We're in mountain lyon country.
Speaker 3: We've got blackberries up here, and we're totally fixated on
Speaker 3: one area. We're not paying attention behind us, and these
Speaker 3: rocks start getting thrown us. We all whip around and
Speaker 3: we're looking. We're not seeing anything, but these rocks are
Speaker 3: getting bigger and they're getting bigger, and there's growls and
Speaker 3: something is telling us it's time to move. One of
Speaker 3: my guys is still staring at the Squatch family down
Speaker 3: in the meadow and he's yeah, when we all turned away.
Speaker 3: They quickly got out of there in a hurry. They
Speaker 3: just seem to vanish. They're gone. The rest of us
Speaker 3: guys are staring up the hillside, going, Okay, this ain't good.
Speaker 3: This is bad. Something's gotten behind us. We need to
Speaker 3: make some tracks. My brother at this point had already
Speaker 3: made tracks. The one guy with a weapon has already
Speaker 3: left the party. We turn around because I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm going to look in the men. I want to
Speaker 3: see these This is fascinating. They're gone, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: let's double time it out of here, because now these
Speaker 3: rocks are getting bigger, they're getting a little bit more precise.
Speaker 3: They're not just landing around us anymore. Now they're getting
Speaker 3: a little bit more precise. It's time to go. The
Speaker 3: bouncer is telling us it's time to leave, so we
Speaker 3: get out of there. We're all hyped out of our brains.
Speaker 3: And now it's at that point we started shifting our
Speaker 3: focus from Okay, we're going to go hunt Goss twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven. Now it's grabbing every book we can read,
Speaker 3: going to every squatch festival we can, talking to all
Speaker 3: the people that am been doing at forever. Doctor Jeff Meldrum.
Speaker 3: We talked to him for years at these festivals and
Speaker 3: be like, hey, we're running into this and what could
Speaker 3: this mean. We let a year go by and life
Speaker 3: moved on, and then we got the crazy idea following April.
Speaker 3: So this was in April twenty nineteen. The following April,
Speaker 3: we're like, you know what, we should go back because
Speaker 3: last time we had no we had no compasses, were
Speaker 3: in a dead zone, we have no gear whatsoever. So
Speaker 3: we go back to next year and we end up
Speaker 3: finding the old cemetery finally, but right next to the
Speaker 3: old cemetery is a nest because we have been talking
Speaker 3: to the Olympic Project up in Washington about them finding
Speaker 3: their nests, and then we come across one, but instead
Speaker 3: of being built with huckleberries, it's built with ferns. We
Speaker 3: continue going down the rabbit hole. Okay, why would it
Speaker 3: be ferns? So we get home, we look it up.
Speaker 3: What's medicinal young ferns are edible. We're also medicinal with childbirth.
Speaker 3: So we're like, oh my god, we're finding nests. We
Speaker 3: found a nest that time we did get growled out
Speaker 3: and rocks were throwing us so it was the time
Speaker 3: to leave. On the way out on that trip, we
Speaker 3: ended up finding a few wood structures set up. We
Speaker 3: gave it another year because this has been going on
Speaker 3: for six years. So the next year, because we'd only
Speaker 3: been doing one trip a year up there, the next
Speaker 3: year we went up to a different location and that's
Speaker 3: where we found just a string of prints through the
Speaker 3: swamp area. These were great prints, but we couldn't cast
Speaker 3: him because it had just been raining and it's in
Speaker 3: a swamp. So we did take a bunch of pictures
Speaker 3: of it, and we found another nest. It's also on
Speaker 3: an elk run, so there's this elk preserve up in
Speaker 3: the area. The squatch had taken all these trees that
Speaker 3: were not native to the swamp. This tree had been
Speaker 3: brought from somewhere else and that they had laid it
Speaker 3: down across the elk path next to this little nest
Speaker 3: hide area. That was cool. We were on our way
Speaker 3: out that trip and we could hear something splash it.
Speaker 3: There's a little creek off to the left hand side
Speaker 3: of this old trail and we could hear something splashing
Speaker 3: around inside of it. Well, one of my guys got
Speaker 3: down on the creek and he was actually trying to
Speaker 3: chase it. He was, yeah, there's something down there. Something
Speaker 3: has been trampling through the bushes and everything. This is fresh.
Speaker 3: We stop, we're not finding anything. We're talking about it,
Speaker 3: and that's when we get hit with that smell. Because
Speaker 3: everybody says that the squatch have this really bad smell
Speaker 3: to them. Our theory is it's kind of like a
Speaker 3: skunk because it came on sudden, it came on quick,
Speaker 3: and then it dissipated. It got our attention that one.
Speaker 3: We'd already turned off our cameras because we're getting ready
Speaker 3: to leave for the day, so it's all right, turn
Speaker 3: off the cameras. Batteries are probably a little bit dead anyway,
Speaker 3: and I'm looking across the creek area and I see
Speaker 3: these two twigs, these two trees come down a little
Speaker 3: bit and something's got a hold of them and it's
Speaker 3: using it like a slingshot to get up over the bank.
Speaker 3: So all I saw was the backside of it, and
Speaker 3: it was up and gone, and we're like, okay, this
Speaker 3: is crazy. But it was that smell of just I've
Speaker 3: described it as a dead skunk being eaton, defecated out
Speaker 3: baked in the sun, re eaten, redefecated, rebaked. It got
Speaker 3: our attention of Okay, I'm over here. It's time to
Speaker 3: leave your places. You're not supposed to be. We've just
Speaker 3: had so many altercations with these things. I don't remember
Speaker 3: the name of it right off the top of my head,
Speaker 3: but doctor Meldrum had said that there the squatch have
Speaker 3: one of several different hierarchy systems where the alpha male
Speaker 3: or similar back as we call them, as a central
Speaker 3: location and then his harem has an outer ring like
Speaker 3: a big spoked wheel. We're thinking that we've been locating
Speaker 3: one of the harems because it always seems to be
Speaker 3: the same females we've run into. We're finding prints, we're
Speaker 3: finding nests, we've been chased out by juvenile males. We
Speaker 3: think that those are kind of like the ones letting
Speaker 3: you know ahead of time, the watchdogs pretty much that
Speaker 3: don't come over here, this is not where you should be.
Speaker 3: We've dealt with that a few times. Three years ago
Speaker 3: we went up we actually ended up finding a slaughter zone.
Speaker 3: A bunch of elk were just ripped to shreds. A
Speaker 3: lot of prints in that one. We actually ended up
Speaker 3: casting what we could. When we were there, it was
Speaker 3: further away from any of the nesting sites. We were
Speaker 3: stocked again. We could see it looking at us through
Speaker 3: the bushes. One of my guys was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: right there. It's staring at us. We were definitely stocked
Speaker 3: and followed. It was wanted to make sure we weren't
Speaker 3: going back to the nesting sites. No rocks were thrown
Speaker 3: on that one, but it was breaking branches. It was
Speaker 3: making us aware of its presence. I wouldn't say it
Speaker 3: was nerve wracking or stressful, but it was like, okay,
Speaker 3: it's letting us know. We believe it was a male.
Speaker 3: We stopped at one point along the trail and we
Speaker 3: were just gonna have a lunch, and you could hear
Speaker 3: these trees just start breaking left and right. Just snapped, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's not windy. These trees aren't just falling down on
Speaker 3: their own. It's letting us know right up front, don't
Speaker 3: come over here, it's time to leave. It's one of
Speaker 3: those things you can set a clock to. These guys.
Speaker 3: We believe that they're migrational, that they have a range
Speaker 3: that they tend to go to. We know for a
Speaker 3: fact in April May, where they're going to be on
Speaker 3: this mountain side. We can track them down. You can
Speaker 3: set your watch to it. I've thrown out the invite
Speaker 3: to any other bigfooters. Hey, listen, come on out. We'll
Speaker 3: take you out. We know where there are certain months
Speaker 3: of the year they follow the elk. The elk come down,
Speaker 3: they go back up. There's another valley they go to.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you can set a watch to it.
Speaker 3: We know when they're not in these locations. We went
Speaker 3: up in April this year. We went to our same
Speaker 3: location where we've been having multiple encounters, footprints, vocalizations. We
Speaker 3: took gilly suits. We're like, okay, we're going to sit
Speaker 3: by the water source. We're going to get all camouflaged up.
Speaker 3: It sits over a little bluff. There's little bluff above
Speaker 3: the creek side. Everything needs water. We're just gonna spend
Speaker 3: a day. We're gonna find spots, we're gonna sit down,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna let them come to us. We were
Speaker 3: there about two hours. There was six of us when
Speaker 3: we were spread out like every thirty feet down this
Speaker 3: cliff line. We were all set up and laying in
Speaker 3: the dirt, camouflaged up, just waiting to see what would happen. Well,
Speaker 3: as we're sitting there, we hear this cooing. That's the
Speaker 3: only way I can describe it, is cooing. And you
Speaker 3: could hear something underneath the cliff side, and it's getting
Speaker 3: louder and it's getting louder, and all my guys down
Speaker 3: the rest of the line are hearing this. Because I'm
Speaker 3: towards the front of the line, I guess you would
Speaker 3: call it. And it's just this cooing like if you've
Speaker 3: got like a young child, that's the crying, the miserable,
Speaker 3: talk real softly. Oh, it's gonna be okay. And that's
Speaker 3: how we're describing it, this cooing is it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: Because my legs are not camouflage. I'll be up front.
Speaker 3: I just had the top half of me camouflage. My
Speaker 3: feet are out there. The minute it gets right underneath
Speaker 3: the cliff side and it's all my guys are hearing it,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this thing's right underneath me, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to move, but it's right underneath me.
Speaker 3: It's right there. This thing is four feet away from
Speaker 3: me below the cliff side. As it's getting louder and
Speaker 3: it's cooing. I'm like, okay, this is way too close.
Speaker 3: So I get up and I sprint out of there,
Speaker 3: and all my guys sprint out of their locations. Everybody's
Speaker 3: asking the same question, what the hell was that. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you heard that too. I'm not insane, I'm not hearing things.
Speaker 3: And they're like, no, we thought that was you. I
Speaker 3: thought you were cooing to try to coax something.
Speaker 1: Men.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, dude, last two hours, I was sitting there,
Speaker 3: braced against a tree, staring down this creek, waiting for
Speaker 3: something to happen.
Speaker 2: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 2: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: This thing's been going on for about fifteen twenty minutes
Speaker 3: of getting closer and cooing, and the only thing we
Speaker 3: can think about is it saw us come in and
Speaker 3: we're in these big, old gilly suits. We're thinking that
Speaker 3: it saw us sit down and not move for two hours,
Speaker 3: and then it probably got curious. This is okay, what
Speaker 3: are these things doing? They're just sitting there said okay,
Speaker 3: I better go check. That's what we were thinking on
Speaker 3: this one is it's got to be wondering what the
Speaker 3: hell's going on with us. We all debriefed a little bit,
Speaker 3: and then we went back into the location. But I
Speaker 3: think when I got up and flew out of there,
Speaker 3: because it's a big old gilly suit, it's ketchup twigs
Speaker 3: and branches. I'm crashing through because I didn't know you've
Speaker 3: heard reports of bigfoot kidnapping people. It's below me. I
Speaker 3: wanted to see it come up over that little cliff side,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, I didn't want to see
Speaker 3: it come up over the cliff side because it's way
Speaker 3: too close. Yeah, it was just amazing. Now. I know
Speaker 3: most people that have like multiple encounters with a squatch family,
Speaker 3: they tend to give them names and try to associate
Speaker 3: with them. We don't do that. What we're finding with
Speaker 3: this family is they tolerate us because we're trying to
Speaker 3: get out once a month, a couple times a month
Speaker 3: if possible, everybody's schedules work out. They let us know
Speaker 3: don't be here at this time they're get them too close.
Speaker 3: They tolerate us. Don't come over to the nesting sites
Speaker 3: and this time of year, don't come to the feeding grounds.
Speaker 3: This is where we eat. Don't come over here during
Speaker 3: this time. So when we went back up in July,
Speaker 3: our normal area has a whole different cryptid in the
Speaker 3: summer months, and then the bigfoot seem to go further
Speaker 3: up the mountain backside the mountain. So after our little
Speaker 3: run in with the other cryptid, we decided to go
Speaker 3: further up the mountain because we're like, we're here for Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: We're not here for this other guy. We went up.
Speaker 3: We were returning to the original site that we had seen.
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, why don't we go to where the
Speaker 3: other place was and see what we can see. As
Speaker 3: we're walking and I've got another guy with me, and
Speaker 3: we are all harmed at this point because a lot
Speaker 3: of the hunter's reports had said they had seen a
Speaker 3: lot of bear, and they've seen a lot of cougar.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, we're not gonna shoot to kill,
Speaker 3: but I like to have something loud just to scare
Speaker 3: something away. At this point, I don't want to kill anything.
Speaker 3: We come around a trail end, we see a cougar,
Speaker 3: some shoot off to the side, be loud, be obnoxious.
Speaker 3: Hey buddy, we don't want an altercation. We're up in
Speaker 3: this area. My buddy actually drew his pistol. You've heard
Speaker 3: something about fifteen feet off to his right hand side,
Speaker 3: down a little ravine is close. We got that video
Speaker 3: up on our YouTube channel and you could hear we're
Speaker 3: being stalked. And we're no longer in the Female Saratuary.
Speaker 3: We're now up in the Silverbacks territory. We're being hunted.
Speaker 3: There's growls coming at us, there's rocks being thrown at us.
Speaker 3: We're finding that the bigger males, even the silver Back,
Speaker 3: they have a bit more of an attitude. So when
Speaker 3: we go up into the silver Back's territory, we get
Speaker 3: more growls. There's no cooing. We've had large trunks of
Speaker 3: trees thrown at us or roll down the hillside. This
Speaker 3: tree doesn't look like it comes from this area. It
Speaker 3: looks like it's been broken off for a while. We
Speaker 3: ended up getting chased that time. We had gone the
Speaker 3: way in and we were trying to find a location.
Speaker 3: They had been doing some logging up there. Then logging
Speaker 3: does not make the big guy happy at all, and
Speaker 3: we got down to this location where the logging company
Speaker 3: had just clear cut a whole area and they plowed
Speaker 3: out a road. I'm like, oh my god, we've got
Speaker 3: casting materials. This is a hot spot. Let's go down
Speaker 3: this little road. It's fresh dirt and see what we
Speaker 3: can find so we can cast some more prints because
Speaker 3: we need more prints or after evidence. They we start
Speaker 3: down the road and my guys, we've got shooter muffs,
Speaker 3: ear muffs that amplify the sound. It's really being amplified
Speaker 3: and we're really picking up these growls coming at us.
Speaker 3: And I think we got about maybe ten feet down
Speaker 3: this road and I'm like, you know what, I'm not
Speaker 3: feeling happy no more. I don't feel like this is
Speaker 3: a safe place. And my guys were like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think we need to get out of here in a
Speaker 3: hurry because this thing is pissed off. It is angry
Speaker 3: at us. We should not be here. Let's just go
Speaker 3: down a few more feet. I mean, we got al
Speaker 3: those fresh dirt and there's got to be some and
Speaker 3: then had a rock thrown at us. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: never mind the tracks today, we're good to go. We
Speaker 3: can leave. We were about two miles in and that
Speaker 3: was a very quick two mile fast walk to get
Speaker 3: out of there, because it followed us all the way back.
Speaker 3: It followed us for a whole two miles in. Once
Speaker 3: we got back to the truck, we're sitting there and
Speaker 3: we're like, okay, let' before we leave and discuss this
Speaker 3: and let's get it on video. As we turned off
Speaker 3: the camera and we're grabbing lunch real quick and taking
Speaker 3: all of our gear off and loading it up, we
Speaker 3: heard some of that resembles the Sierra sounds and we're
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god. I'm like, you guys heard that,
Speaker 3: And they're like, one of my guys goes, yeah, I
Speaker 3: heard it. I'm like that that's just right over there.
Speaker 3: That's what the trailhead where we were just att And
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, do we grab out the cameras or something?
Speaker 3: And they're like no, I think it's letting us know
Speaker 3: it's time to leave. Now you guys need to go. Then,
Speaker 3: of course we were stupid and stopped at the original area,
Speaker 3: ran into the original cryptid that we were avoiding, then
Speaker 3: we got chased.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a fun time. I want to go
Speaker 2: back to the first siding and encounter that you had
Speaker 2: with these things. Can you talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: what you were seeing as far as a description of
Speaker 2: the two females and the two juveniles that you saw. Initially,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I made about seven feet tall, real big in the shoulders.
Speaker 3: What I could see through the binoculars was like a
Speaker 3: gorilla style notes in a fun coal head, so it
Speaker 3: had that again when Patterson's style looking head to it.
Speaker 3: The children, the adolescents four feet tall, brown eyes, basically
Speaker 3: was think Pattie and that's what we were seeing, but
Speaker 3: all black versions of Patty. It was definitely an eye
Speaker 3: opener and a life changer.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine because I just had my own
Speaker 2: experiences with these things out in Washington State last summer.
Speaker 2: I think it was last August. I got to see
Speaker 2: these things three times in two days, and it is
Speaker 2: definitely a life changing experience. So I'm assuming you're saying, Patty,
Speaker 2: you're calling them female? Are you seeing breast? Is that
Speaker 2: how you're able to determine that these things are female?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. One of the things that you brought up
Speaker 2: and I made a facial expression was probably a little
Speaker 2: overt and you're probably like, what the hell is this
Speaker 2: guy looking like that? I literally just finished another interview
Speaker 2: before this, when you and I were talking about this
Speaker 2: a little bit off the air from a guy in
Speaker 2: Oregon who has what seems to be a very active
Speaker 2: research site. Obviously I don't know where it is in
Speaker 2: relation to where you guys are, but one of the
Speaker 2: very interesting things that he said daring this, and he
Speaker 2: showed me a couple of examples that he had right
Speaker 2: there in the room with him, was he took a
Speaker 2: scientist friend of his out into his research area and
Speaker 2: he was showing him some of the things he was
Speaker 2: excited about that he thought was related to Bigfoot, right,
Speaker 2: and his friend was freaking out over a pine cone
Speaker 2: that he found on the ground. He's like, why the
Speaker 2: hell are you so excited about a pine cone? It's
Speaker 2: just a pine cone, right, There's hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: conifers in this area. What is it about this pine cone?
Speaker 2: And the guy was like, no, you don't understand. This
Speaker 2: particular pine cone comes from a particular tree that is
Speaker 2: nowhere in this area. It can't survive here. It literally
Speaker 2: can't grow here because it requires I think it was
Speaker 2: like four thousand plus feet of elevation for this thing
Speaker 2: to even be valuable as a tree. Yet this is
Speaker 2: a pine cone from this tree that is nowhere around here.
Speaker 2: This guy was saying that I think the highest point
Speaker 2: of his research area as far as elevation is about
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred to eighteen hundred feet, so nowhere near. We're
Speaker 2: talking less than half of what it would take for
Speaker 2: this tree to be in this area. Yet these pine
Speaker 2: cones are here. They found the one laying on the ground.
Speaker 2: He came back a different time and found another one
Speaker 2: that was actually shoved into the ground, which I thought
Speaker 2: was very interesting. He's finding upside down trees, He's finding
Speaker 2: upside down logs that are shoved into these holes. He's
Speaker 2: got a whole theory about that we're not going to
Speaker 2: get into. But you were talking about this particular tree
Speaker 2: or a tree that you guys were finding that doesn't
Speaker 2: grow in this area, so it's being brought there by
Speaker 2: something or someone. Was that a significant find for you guys,
Speaker 2: or is this new information that obviously somebody's in the
Speaker 2: general vicinity finding pine cones and you guys are finding
Speaker 2: these trees and tree structures that aren't from this area.
Speaker 2: Is that a significant thing for you as far as
Speaker 2: you doing your research and you guys finding this in
Speaker 2: that area, that something or someone is bringing that here
Speaker 2: for some reason.
Speaker 3: It helps with debunking. Like some of the structures are
Speaker 3: on a downhill slope. You can look out and go, Okay,
Speaker 3: the mountain probably gets a lot of snow, maybe an
Speaker 3: avalanche or something. As ghost hunters, we're always trying to
Speaker 3: find a logical conclusions before we just say it's a ghost.
Speaker 3: So we're like, Okay, we have a structure, it's on
Speaker 3: a downhill slide. Could it be maybe there was an avalanche,
Speaker 3: Maybe there was a winter storm blue down the mountain.
Speaker 3: Could there be another reason why the structure is here.
Speaker 3: And as we're looking at the structure, we're noticing that no,
Speaker 3: none of these trees are within a forty foot circumference
Speaker 3: of the structure. So what's in the structure does not
Speaker 3: match anything in the immediate vicinity. But we have found
Speaker 3: that these trees happen to grow more towards the top
Speaker 3: of the mountain. Something's getting them from the top and
Speaker 3: bringing them down to the bottom. I don't think these
Speaker 3: trees are going to be going down two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty feet a mountain side and landing upright in a
Speaker 3: freak storm. I don't think that's possible. Oh, I almost forget.
Speaker 3: I tell you, we've been gifted mushrooms before. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: parked the trucks, we left, we thought we had nothing day.
Speaker 3: We come back and something had put mushrooms on the
Speaker 3: hood of the truck. Don't know how how they got there.
Speaker 3: It was just a weird occurrence of there are mushrooms
Speaker 3: on the hood of the truck. We've had people try
Speaker 3: to say, I've seen squirrels do this before, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's a possibility, but it was only the one time,
Speaker 3: and their mushrooms grow on the ground. Why would they
Speaker 3: be on the hood of a truck. It's just a
Speaker 3: weird circumstance for them to be.
Speaker 2: I want to get into the other cryptid that you've
Speaker 2: referenced a couple of times, but before we go into that,
Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about the nests
Speaker 2: that you guys found. When I had my experiences last year,
Speaker 2: I was out working out of the headquarters for the
Speaker 2: Olympic Project, so I'm very familiar with the nests and
Speaker 2: the nest site that you're talking about. Can you for
Speaker 2: the audience describe as best you can in detail what
Speaker 2: you guys are finding as far as the nests are concerned,
Speaker 2: how they're constructed, what they look like, and give us
Speaker 2: the breakdown of the description of the nests.
Speaker 3: Okay, what we've been finding on multiple occasions is something
Speaker 3: is pushing over trees, arranging them into a crib formation,
Speaker 3: and then stuffing it with these bracken ferns, like four
Speaker 3: feet high of ferns in the middle of the sink.
Speaker 3: We're too low of an altitude for a huckleberry Like
Speaker 3: the Olyptric Project, they're talking about a woven nest that's
Speaker 3: really thick. We're at a lower altitude so that stuff
Speaker 3: doesn't grow here, but we have ferns galore. Every nest
Speaker 3: we found is basically the same thing. It's three to
Speaker 3: four logs shoved together linka log style and then stuffed
Speaker 3: with these ferns. It's a deep pile of ferns and
Speaker 3: they're not just growing out. We looked at that and went, okay,
Speaker 3: let's right, a debunket. Could it be these thinks fell
Speaker 3: down and these ferns are growing out of the middle
Speaker 3: of them. What we found is no, you could easily
Speaker 3: go through and pick up the whole stack of ferns
Speaker 3: out of the tree. The makeshift crib, I guess you
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to call it. They're probably about six feet long,
Speaker 3: about five feet wide. Again, we can look at it
Speaker 3: and go, okay, maybe this is just old trees falling over.
Speaker 3: But it's in a square, and a lot of these
Speaker 3: nests are somewhere where. Okay, if this tree is falling over,
Speaker 3: why are all the other trees within a twenty foot
Speaker 3: circumference not falling over? Because these are giant logs. These
Speaker 3: are about five to six feet wide with a circumference.
Speaker 3: These are big logs. If these things are falling over,
Speaker 3: where's the stump? We found about four of them so
Speaker 3: far over the last six years. Kind of wish that
Speaker 3: they were like the Olympic Project of these nice big
Speaker 3: woven nests and boughs. But these are very crudely put together.
Speaker 3: You're looking at it going okay, these logs should have
Speaker 3: taken something else down when they fell. They're in a square.
Speaker 3: What are the chances it well in disorder? Like I said,
Speaker 3: we looked up medicinal plants. That's what part of our
Speaker 3: thing is. Okay, we have black bears, we have mountain lions,
Speaker 3: we have elk, So we got to followed food, we
Speaker 3: got to follow the water. If one of us was
Speaker 3: lost in the woods and our medications ran out, what
Speaker 3: natural medicinal plants could we get tap into. So we're
Speaker 3: trying to view everything through what would we do in
Speaker 3: this situation. And then the ferns, like the huckleberry plants
Speaker 3: that the Olympic Project talks about, it's got medicinal qualities
Speaker 3: for motherhood berthing. Bracken ferns have medicinal qualities for motherhood
Speaker 3: and birthing. We have a lot of them. We're at
Speaker 3: lower altitude. I think these things are They've already known
Speaker 3: that these things help out. And it's like I said,
Speaker 3: it's just a big stack of logs, stuff full of
Speaker 3: these bracken ferns. And they seem to be in the
Speaker 3: general area every single year that we always find them.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back after these messages. That is such a cool
Speaker 2: part of that story because when I was doing the
Speaker 2: interview before this one, this particular gentleman that was telling
Speaker 2: me the story, Hugh was saying he owns a tree service,
Speaker 2: so he's very familiar with different types of trees. He
Speaker 2: wasn't really familiar with this particular tree that this pine
Speaker 2: cone was from. But when he started doing research, I'm
Speaker 2: just googling this, but I'm finding that this particular tree
Speaker 2: does have a lot of medicinal uses, and it is
Speaker 2: a very ceremonial tree for a lot of the Indigenous
Speaker 2: and Native American peoples in that area. There's a huge
Speaker 2: history of them using things from this tree for those purposes.
Speaker 2: I always say it every time I do one of
Speaker 2: these shows. It is always about the totality of the circumstances.
Speaker 2: For me, if you take one or two things and
Speaker 2: your cherry pick it, sure, could it be something. But
Speaker 2: when you put all of these things together, it truly
Speaker 2: paints a picture.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: These trees are not from this area, yet they're brought there.
Speaker 2: You're finding them doing this research.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: Could it be something completely different, unrelated to Bigfoot? Sure, absolutely,
Speaker 2: But when you put the totality of the circumstances together,
Speaker 2: it seems like there's something to this. So I think
Speaker 2: it's fascinating. I would be remiss if we didn't talk
Speaker 2: about the other cryptid that you've been referencing. So would
Speaker 2: you regale us and would you take us there and
Speaker 2: talk about what you're talking about with the other cryptid
Speaker 2: that's in this area and whatever your experience has been
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got a backtrack on that one, just a
Speaker 3: little bit further back in time. What kind of clued
Speaker 3: me out on things was those About five years ago?
Speaker 3: I was at local grocery store. I had a shirt
Speaker 3: on that said, think what believe is in you? I
Speaker 3: meant to self check out work graveyard. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get in, trying to get out. It's my day off.
Speaker 3: I just want to go home. And this little old
Speaker 3: lady next to me sees my shirt. She goes, we
Speaker 3: have bigfoot here. I go, yeah, I know. I'm a investigator.
Speaker 3: I've been following some for a while. She goes, oh,
Speaker 3: did you know that them when the dog men are
Speaker 3: having turf wars? I'm sorry, what, Yeah? I owned a
Speaker 3: ranch outside of Scatpoose and they're always throwing rocks at
Speaker 3: each other and fighting in my yard. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I need to talk to you more. Let me hurry
Speaker 3: up check out of this. And we got to talk. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: as I'm trying to pay for everything. She goes ahead
Speaker 3: and leaves. I couldn't find her, so I bring that
Speaker 3: to my guy's attention. Hey, this little old lady was saying,
Speaker 3: there's dogmen and there's bigfoot fighting in her yard. If
Speaker 3: her ranch is where I think it is, that is
Speaker 3: just down the road from our research location. My guys,
Speaker 3: it might just be somebody's story coyotes. We're go setter,
Speaker 3: So there's always going to be the We don't want
Speaker 3: to always put full faith in something, and you don't
Speaker 3: always want to be a full skeptic. You want to
Speaker 3: be right down in the middle. Two years ago, we're
Speaker 3: up there and we're we went back up to the
Speaker 3: abandoned house and we come down and we're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we've got game cameras set up in our primera research
Speaker 3: area where we've been finding all the mess Why don't
Speaker 3: we go and collect those because they've been up there
Speaker 3: a months. Why don't we grab them while we're here.
Speaker 3: I've got one of one of the other investigators, she's
Speaker 3: got one of our bionic ears, and she's, oh, how
Speaker 3: does this work? This is so cool. I'll just point
Speaker 3: out the woods and we're going to go get the
Speaker 3: game camera. And we'll be right back. As she's listening,
Speaker 3: she's hearing something breathing. Me and my buddy James go down.
Speaker 3: He has a pistol, I have a knife, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, just cover me. We get up there. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to take the game camera down. I look through
Speaker 3: the woods and there's a seven foot tall upright by
Speaker 3: Pete o'kanine. It's a dog man. It's peeking behind a
Speaker 3: tree staring at me. Our radio goes off from where
Speaker 3: the trucks are and they're like, there's some heavy breathing
Speaker 3: in the woods, and I'm like, I'm too scared to
Speaker 3: just touch anything. I grabbed my camera and I kind
Speaker 3: of slide back down the hillside. I'm trying to keep
Speaker 3: an eye contact with it. I end up going back
Speaker 3: to back with my buddy and I'm like, dude, there's
Speaker 3: something up on this hillside. I think it's a dog bit.
Speaker 3: He's not turning around. There's something in the creek on
Speaker 3: the other side of the road. So we start slowly
Speaker 3: backing out of there, and he's got his gun drawn.
Speaker 3: I've got my knife and I'm like, this ain't good.
Speaker 3: What's a buck knife going to do? Against one of
Speaker 3: these things. So as we get further and further down
Speaker 3: the trail, we can hear these two of them, ones
Speaker 3: on the right hand side, ones on the left hand side,
Speaker 3: and they're coming down and they're breaking trees, breaking branches.
Speaker 3: They're not being subtle about this one. People at the
Speaker 3: cars are just like dumbfound that. They're like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: could hear this thing and it's growling. We can hear
Speaker 3: it through the microphone. Is that it's coming with you.
Speaker 3: We get back, we tell everybody listen, get in the cars.
Speaker 3: We're out. We're gone. We need to leave. We need
Speaker 3: to leave now. We drive out of there, we do
Speaker 3: our little debrief in town, away from everything, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it looks like a German shepherd, darker fur, he's got
Speaker 3: little speckles on it, seven feet tall, yellow eyes. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I want to go back up to
Speaker 3: that area again. Of course we have been that was
Speaker 3: that encounter. Okay, this is weird. It was in June
Speaker 3: when that happened, and we're like, okay, seems to follow
Speaker 3: along our thesis of when we go up in June
Speaker 3: and July, the Squatschhets seemed to have moved further up
Speaker 3: the hillside. We're like, okay, this kind of maybe can
Speaker 3: soolve that question that maybe that the dogmen are coming
Speaker 3: in and the Bigfoot are going up and over the
Speaker 3: hillside and they're abandoning this area during these summer months.
Speaker 3: The next year we go back in. We're looking at
Speaker 3: these new structures and everything, and my guys are just
Speaker 3: all excited and we're just like, man, this is really cool.
Speaker 3: This is weird. Something's building a bigger structure right here.
Speaker 3: It's cool. As we're doing that, some of my guys
Speaker 3: go further into the woods because they're trying to track
Speaker 3: some and me and my buddy are sitting there at
Speaker 3: the trucks. We're busting out the cigars. Nobody else's smokers.
Speaker 3: We're going to let them go and track. And we're
Speaker 3: sitting there and we look over and I see two
Speaker 3: of these and they're peeking behind trees, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you see them too, right, and he goes, yeah, they're
Speaker 3: right there. They're just staring at us. That encounter was
Speaker 3: a little bit shorter because we got on the radios
Speaker 3: and told everybody, get out of the woods, come back now,
Speaker 3: we're out. We're gone. This year. We went back in
Speaker 3: July and that was a little way more nerve wracking.
Speaker 3: There was three of us. We're all armed because we're like, okay, Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: don't come around here. And that was also the day
Speaker 3: we went further up into the silver Back territory and
Speaker 3: got grouted and thrown out and chased out. We went
Speaker 3: back down to our original site, which we call the
Speaker 3: Blue Gate, and we're like, okay, we got a bad
Speaker 3: feeling when we heard before. Why don't we stop, or
Speaker 3: don't we just do a quick little check. Maybe there's
Speaker 3: some prints or something. It's fresh rain, there's mud everywhere.
Speaker 3: Let's look for some prints. Stay together, we need to
Speaker 3: get some evidence. Well, we find some footprints and they
Speaker 3: kind of lead down this little ravine and my two
Speaker 3: guys go down and I'm sitting up on top of
Speaker 3: the hillside. I'm just watching. I'm like, all right, we've
Speaker 3: already learned our lesson before. Keep a watch behind you.
Speaker 3: We don't want anything sneaking up on us. Guns in
Speaker 3: the holster. I'm just sitting there, I'm just staring at everything.
Speaker 3: We're not videotaping. We've already exhausted all of our batteries.
Speaker 3: Because we didn't think that far ahead that we were
Speaker 3: going to stop again. I happen to notice one dogmen
Speaker 3: staring out around the same area as the year prior.
Speaker 3: Then I noticed a second one. Then I know it's
Speaker 3: a third one, and I'm like, oh God, I get
Speaker 3: on the radio. I call the guys, I'm seeing some
Speaker 3: up here. So the other two guys come back up.
Speaker 3: One guy's staring at the woods. He goes, there's three
Speaker 3: of them, like, uh huh. And I'm not pointing things
Speaker 3: out to him. He's pointing. He goes, there's one over
Speaker 3: there ten o'clock, there's one at high noon, there's one
Speaker 3: over there at the one o'clock. I'm like, I'm glad
Speaker 3: you see these things. Our third guy decided he wanted
Speaker 3: to go check out and get pictures of that structure because,
Speaker 3: like I said, it's been being built up over the years.
Speaker 3: It's impressive. And as he gets in the woods, we're
Speaker 3: sitting there staring it down him. I'm like, okay, can
Speaker 3: you remember Jurassic Park and talking about raptors. You'll have
Speaker 3: one looking at you while the others flank you from
Speaker 3: the sides. And he's uh huh, and he goes for
Speaker 3: his gun and I'm like, no, no, no, let's not. Let's
Speaker 3: not draw on him right now. I got a bad
Speaker 3: feeling about this one. The third guy comes running out
Speaker 3: of the woods and he goes, there was three of
Speaker 3: them around me. He goes, I was in taking. I
Speaker 3: could hear three of them breathing. They were real close.
Speaker 3: We decided we were going to be stupid, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: everybody shoots target practice in this area. Why don't we
Speaker 3: just do a little bit of target practice, just maybe
Speaker 3: scare them off. We'll be loud and noxious. Somebody set
Speaker 3: up a bunch of cans. We'll shoot some cans. I
Speaker 3: just pop off a few rounds and we'll get in.
Speaker 3: We'll leave because if there's six of them because we
Speaker 3: counted three, he counted three, or there's six of them,
Speaker 3: we need to let them know, hey, we don't want
Speaker 3: you to attack us. So we popped off a couple
Speaker 3: of rounds and got back in the truck and we
Speaker 3: started back down the hillside, and we're like, okay, we
Speaker 3: showed our dominance. We popped off and shot those beer cans,
Speaker 3: and we're dominant species. And that's when a rock hit
Speaker 3: the back of the truck, and we were dumb enough
Speaker 3: to stop for a second. We're like, okay, did we
Speaker 3: kick it up. It's a rocky road. Maybe they're kicked
Speaker 3: up on the bumper or something. We're there, my buddy
Speaker 3: throwing these rocks at the bumpers. If we kicked it
Speaker 3: up from underneath. This is what it would sound like
Speaker 3: if we're thrown right at the bumper. Dun, That's what
Speaker 3: it sounded like. And it's like something through that directly
Speaker 3: at the bumper. We get back in the car and
Speaker 3: we're like, okay, let's get out of here. We're driving
Speaker 3: down the hillside. We're just doing about twenty five miles
Speaker 3: an hour. My buddy Josh is in the backseat and
Speaker 3: he's looking out the side window and he goes, there's
Speaker 3: something running beside us. I was dumb enough to roll
Speaker 3: down the window. I'm trying to get a good look
Speaker 3: at this thing, and sure enough, there's something running on
Speaker 3: all fours besides the pickup. He's locked eyes with this
Speaker 3: thing and I'm craning my neck trying to get a
Speaker 3: good view of it, and he's like, yeah, it's something furry.
Speaker 3: It's on all fours. Is keeping up with us. I'm like, James,
Speaker 3: how fast we're doing twenty five? And that's when we
Speaker 3: get hit with the smell. But it's not the squatch smell.
Speaker 3: It was a whole different level of hell smell. Again,
Speaker 3: we can't describe it, but it was bad, and the
Speaker 3: thing's keeping up with us. I got yelled at roll
Speaker 3: up the window and we picked it up, and I
Speaker 3: think we lost it about thirty five miles an hour.
Speaker 3: For what I can see, it was gray, had some
Speaker 3: black stripes on it. It was keeping up with us.
Speaker 3: It was right next to the truck. And then, of course,
Speaker 3: the following month in August, we were supposed to go
Speaker 3: back up there, but we had a rookie joining us
Speaker 3: with his daughter, and I'm like, well, you know what,
Speaker 3: let's not go up there with the young and with
Speaker 3: us because we know what sits there. So we went
Speaker 3: to another park to do another ghost investigation, and we
Speaker 3: got a picture of a dog man talking through the woods.
Speaker 3: We weren't videotaping much on that one. We were just
Speaker 3: looking for the graveside of a horse steaf that hung
Speaker 3: back in the early nineteen hundreds, and we're thinking that
Speaker 3: because of how the bigfit are moving up and down
Speaker 3: the hillside, and where they're going. We're thinking that maybe
Speaker 3: there's like the two species have got to have a
Speaker 3: migration route where they're following the deer the elk. Summer months,
Speaker 3: fish going to start coming back up the big rivers,
Speaker 3: and maybe the bigfoot are going up and over across
Speaker 3: to get some fish. Why are the dog men moving
Speaker 3: into this territory there's elk and deer. Maybe they're after
Speaker 3: We're still trying to figure that one out. But it's
Speaker 3: like we feel that when we were target practicing is
Speaker 3: when they went on high alert, because we feel that
Speaker 3: they started chasing us only after we were loud orbnoxious.
Speaker 3: We did not prove anything. We feel that it is
Speaker 3: a male and a female with the at least four puffs,
Speaker 3: and I know that the male is about seven foot tall,
Speaker 3: the females about six and a half maybe seven. Pup
Speaker 3: was a little bit smaller, about five feet the other
Speaker 3: ones I didn't see. My buddy just said that he
Speaker 3: was and he was taking pictures of this wood structure
Speaker 3: and he could hear him like in a semi circle
Speaker 3: around him moving through the brush. Dogmen not happy, happy creatures.
Speaker 2: No dog man has been one of those things that
Speaker 2: has always been very difficult for me to check a
Speaker 2: box on, and I don't want to have anything to
Speaker 2: do with it. Frankly, they scare the shit out of me.
Speaker 2: I've never heard a good story about a dog man.
Speaker 2: I'll stick to Bigfoot all right. Before we get out
Speaker 2: of here, let's talk about your podcast. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: your investigative group. Do you guys have a Facebook? How
Speaker 2: can people get in contact with you? And what can
Speaker 2: people expect when they check out your podcast?
Speaker 3: Ah, the podcast, we basically do all kinds of crazy things.
Speaker 3: We've got two of them. Actually, We've got what we
Speaker 3: call the war Room. That's a little half hour segment
Speaker 3: where we bring on investigators to discuss their experiences and
Speaker 3: what they would like to teach the next generation. Then
Speaker 3: we have Unleashed, which is an hour long where we
Speaker 3: talk about different paradormal cryptids, bring some forgotten stories to light.
Speaker 3: Those are all on the YouTube at TBK Investigations Facebook
Speaker 3: is DBK Investigation Podcaster every single Sunday night, and we
Speaker 3: do them live. We don't like a safety RT.
Speaker 2: I'll make it easy for you guys. I will link
Speaker 2: to it right here. In the show notes you guys
Speaker 2: go for and show them some love on YouTube. Check
Speaker 2: out the podcast, watch some videos, leave them some comments. Darren,
Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming on, man. I've had a
Speaker 2: blast talking about your experiences and your encounters. Man, it's
Speaker 2: been a good time talking to you.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks for having me.
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