WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:03.919 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:05.839 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:08.359 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.480 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:14.720 my interest in cryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.199 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:21.679 I've personally become involved with The Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:25.320 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:29.399 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.159 and more. 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It's free subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.439 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:06.200 radionetwork dot com. 23 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:08.519 Today, Hey everybody, this is Less Striving. 24 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:09.760 Yes, yes, I. 25 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:14.680 Know aka Survivor Man and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatchisy. 26 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:39.719 Hey there, and welcome back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you 27 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:41.079 so much for being with us for the show. 28 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:42.760 It is Friday. I hope you've had. 29 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.599 An amazing week. We have a phenomenal guest lined up 30 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.239 for you, but as always, I want. 31 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.159 To start by inviting you. 32 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.560 If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be 33 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:52.519 on the show, shoot me an email you get me 34 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.599 a Brian at Paranormalworldproductions dot com. You can head over 35 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:57.599 to the website check it out, become a memory there 36 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.959 and help support this show. I got to sit down 37 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:06.359 and talk to Jason Kinzie. He is a Canadian bigfoot researcher, experiencer, 38 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:10.159 and filmmaker who at this point has done thirteen bigfoot 39 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.800 documentary films. I got to meet Jason while I was 40 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.719 speaking down at the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference back in June. 41 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.000 He is a phenomenal dude, really fun guy. He really 42 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.039 gets out and does boots on the ground research and 43 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.960 he has found some really interesting things that he's included 44 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.919 in these films, and I'm going to link to his 45 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:27.840 YouTube channel so you can go and check all that 46 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:31.800 stuff out. All of his films stream on multiple streaming platforms. 47 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.439 Two B is probably the best place to find his 48 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.759 searching for sasquatch documentaries one through thirteen. Jason is here 49 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.599 now to tell us about some of those amazing experiences 50 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.240 that he's had. He's seen these things through thermal He's 51 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:46.879 had some really cool vocalizations which I play for you 52 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:49.520 here during this interview. It's a phenomenal interview. I think 53 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.400 you are really going to enjoy. So that said, all 54 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.719 this left for you to do is sit back, relax 55 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.159 and enjoy the show. 56 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:15.840 Hard. 57 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:17.159 I want to work on our guests to the show. 58 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.120 It is Jason from Canada. Welcome to the show. 59 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:19.879 Thanks having me. 60 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:21.919 I'm glad to have you. Let's get right into it. 61 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.360 We're gonna talk about bigfoot, We're gonna talk about sasquorts. 62 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:29.280 But I'm interested in your first career, which is photojournalism 63 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.319 and animal photography. Let's talk a little bit about that. 64 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:34.319 That has got to be one of the funnest jobs 65 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:35.759 out there you get to run it around in the 66 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.479 woods and take pictures of cool ass animals. Let's talk 67 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:40.120 a little bit about that, and that's move into the 68 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:40.919 bigfoot stuff. 69 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:41.680 Sure. 70 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.400 Way back when I started photography, I was doing events 71 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:49.439 and weddings. Then one day I had just did this 72 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:50.680 event and this guy. 73 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:50.879 Came to me. 74 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:52.360 He said, I want you to take a picture of 75 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.039 my dog. I was like, really, the dog, so do 76 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:57.599 you want to be in the picture now? I just 77 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.280 want my dog. Took me back a little bit. I'm like, oh, okay. 78 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.360 I didn't know at the time that people want pictures 79 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.479 with their animals, with their pets. So I meet up 80 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.280 with him and I'm taking these pictures of his dog. 81 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:12.919 It went really well, and he told me a story 82 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:17.439 about his dog that kind of blew me away. From there, 83 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.279 I thought, okay, maybe other people had cool stories about 84 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:24.800 their pets. So every time I would meet someone with 85 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:26.800 a dog or with a cat and I would take 86 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:31.439 their photos, I'd ask them questions about a story about 87 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.439 their animals. And one day some guy came to me 88 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.399 and said, I have a pet Cayman, which is like 89 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:40.959 a crocodile or an alligator, and he had it in 90 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.959 a special bathtub in his basement. He wanted me to 91 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.519 go and take photos off his cayman. I told my 92 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.120 friends and they were all excited, but they didn't believe me. 93 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.000 They said, why would someone have a crocodile color creature 94 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:56.600 in their bathtub? 95 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:58.560 So I bought a video camera. 96 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.800 To film behind the scenes of my photosheets and it 97 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:06.839 was such an amazing photo shoot video shoot that from 98 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.879 there on, I started taking a video camera to film 99 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.759 behind the scenes, and then I would get people from 100 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:19.199 all over the world hiring me to photograph exotic animals, 101 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:30.160 from bears to cougars, tigers, giant alligators, huge spiders, monkeys, kangaroos, wolves, 102 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:35.879 A lady a Skatswan had five wolves, some Arctic gray wolf, 103 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.360 all these different wolves. I flew out there and took 104 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.360 photos and I interviewed them, and that's how I started 105 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.720 doing all these exotic animals and going all over the 106 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.480 world and it was amazing. 107 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:47.319 I loved it. 108 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:53.120 Then when the pandemic hit and everything got shut down, 109 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:58.920 I couldn't do my animal adventures. So I'd started a 110 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:04.079 web series called Jason Kenzie's Animal Adventures, and I would 111 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.519 put them on my YouTube channel and it basically was 112 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:11.680 behind the scenes of my exotic animal photoshoots for the 113 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.079 pandemic hit. I was able to travel. I was going 114 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:16.160 completely crazy. 115 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:17.399 What am I going to do? 116 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.160 I'm basically just pacing back and forth. And someone said 117 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.040 to me, why don't you do sasquatch. I'm like, I'm 118 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.759 a huge skeptic when it comes to a big foot. 119 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:29.319 I thought, Okay, maybe I'll look into it because they 120 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:34.160 could possibly be an animal. Me knowing animals, I went 121 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.800 and interviewed someone who allegedly said they saw one of 122 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.199 these creatures. It was fascinating. Then he sent me to 123 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:48.279 a First Nation's person. They told me about their experiences. 124 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.279 I started interviewing them about it. Then they sent me 125 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.199 into the wilderness. I wanted to see if maybe I 126 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.439 could possibly come close to these creatures if I went 127 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.759 and I took a helicopter dropped in. I found hundreds 128 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:07.480 of these giant footprints in a lake, and I took 129 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.160 a drone with me and I droned the top of 130 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.879 the lake and you could see all these footprints. I 131 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.079 found other stuff. I found trees that were upside down. 132 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.839 They were carried and slammed into the ground. Trees were 133 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:24.439 probably about twenty five feet tall and probably about three 134 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.319 feet in diameter, so they were pretty big. I found 135 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:32.279 other footprints, lots of tree structures, but the footprints blew 136 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.680 me away. I showed these to the First Nations people 137 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.319 in the area and they said that I found their 138 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:43.720 migration path of the Sasquatch people coming from Alaska all 139 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.240 the way down the California then back. I decided to 140 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:52.319 put this into my first documentary called Searching Casasquatch. People 141 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.399 loved it. I started getting phone calls and emails from 142 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:59.360 people who wanted me to come out to their conferences 143 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:02.120 and go out with them because they wanted to show 144 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:06.800 me their areas where they have their experiences but these creatures. 145 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.319 So I decided to film another Searching for Sasquats documentary. 146 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:15.480 I went to up of Michigan and there was a 147 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.079 big book confidence. I was able to speak there and 148 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.720 I was able to meet a lot of people there 149 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:25.160 that had experiences. Then the group that hired me, they 150 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:26.600 took me to the up. 151 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:27.800 I had met up. 152 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:31.439 With one researcher that was teaching me things about what 153 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.919 these creatures do, breaking branches as they walk and twisting 154 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:39.360 them and breaking them. So he was pointing them out 155 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.440 to me. I'm still a skeptic. But back to Michigan, 156 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.639 we found this huge tree X. So there's one tree 157 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.559 that looked like it was pushed over because you could 158 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.159 see the roots, but the other one looked like it 159 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.559 was ripped on the ground and moved over and placed 160 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.360 into next and then there was another tree on top 161 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.440 of it. Turned to everyone and I said, Okay, I'm 162 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.039 going to put the hammockup and I'm going to sleep 163 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:08.159 under this sex. Everyone was like, you're crazy, because these 164 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.919 sexes mean stop, don't go any further, don't go beyond 165 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:17.480 this point. They believe that Bigfoot actually makes these three 166 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:22.120 axes for either us or for other Bigfoot creatures to 167 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.879 know that this is their territory. Me, I just don't care. Remember, 168 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.600 I'm thinking, Okay, the problem not real. That night, I'm 169 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.000 sleeping in the hammock. All of a sudden, I hear 170 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.320 crap and opened my eyes and I hear crunching. Something's 171 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.200 walking towards me. And as it's walking, I could feel 172 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.799 the vibration of every step off the rope of the hammock, 173 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.240 and I'm like, oh my god, is it must be 174 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.200 a giant pig or maybe a bear, even though everyone 175 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:53.559 said there wasn't bears in the area. It stopped, I 176 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.960 think it stopped about ten or fifteen feet right beside me, 177 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.799 and it grunted my ear, scared the out of me, 178 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:04.320 and I started shaking uncontrollably, and I'm trying to stop it. 179 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.080 Then it turned and it started walking away, and I unzipped. 180 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.600 I tried filming, but I couldn't see anything. Then I 181 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.200 yelled out because I was with another research too that 182 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.320 was about twenty feet away from me under a tree. 183 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:20.960 He was sleeping, So I yelled for David's name, and 184 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.039 David's Jason. I'm here, what's up? Unzipped and I jumped 185 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.200 out and I'm like, I look over and there's David 186 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:30.200 sleeping and he's all bundled up. I'm like, well, I said, 187 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.679 was that you walking around? And he said no, I 188 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:34.600 was sleeping. You woke me up when he yelled my name. 189 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.080 I'm like, are you kidding me? You didn't hear what 190 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.840 just happened? So we looked around for footprints and I 191 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.240 didn't see anything. So I went back and I told 192 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.879 her rule what happened. They were all fascinated, but you know, 193 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.639 in my mind, I just thought that maybe they thought 194 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.279 that I was making it up because here's the new guy. 195 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.000 I haven't had an experience, and now here I'm saying 196 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.000 this is what happened, even though they said, oh my gosh, 197 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:02.039 this as wow. So later on, I think a couple 198 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.360 of days later, one of the researchers walked up and said, hey, 199 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:10.240 all right, I put a recorder probably about half a 200 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.679 mile into the forest. I want to go retrieve it. 201 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.480 Anyone want to come. I jump up, I'm like, yeah, sure. 202 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.039 I took my VI near camera and we're walking, just 203 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.919 him and I. We had driven deep into the forest 204 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.559 like it took about I would say, forty five minutes 205 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.919 to drive the trucks into this area where the trees 206 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.879 were much bigger. They called it old growth trees where 207 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.240 if you know where I live in Vancouver and British Columbia, 208 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.600 to me, old growth, I've seen trees that are like 209 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:47.240 twenty feet in diameter and two hundred feet tall. So 210 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:49.600 to me, that's old growth. I'm looking at these trees 211 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.600 that they call old growth. Sure they're a little bit bigger. 212 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.879 So here we are, it's nighttime. It's probably about midnight 213 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.840 we're walking into the forest. We start filming all these 214 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.600 trees breaks, the branches as thick as my finger, and 215 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:07.799 they're breaking and twisted and broken. So I'm filming all 216 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.320 of them. Must have been like twenty of them all 217 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.799 the way. And then we come to an area where 218 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:15.879 all the trees and the grass that we were walking 219 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:20.360 in were probably about two feet tall at some point. 220 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:22.840 So you know that this area that we were walking 221 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:24.840 and no one had been there for a long time. 222 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.480 There was one point a section of the trees were 223 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.879 all pushed over. The roots were not showing, but they 224 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:35.840 were all looked like they were all bend over. There 225 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.600 was probably about i want to say, six of them 226 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.039 in a row, a thick, pretty thick. It's almost as 227 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:47.399 if something pushed over the trees to stop anyone from 228 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.559 going over, because there was all the trees were straight 229 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.720 all the way around us except for this one area, 230 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:55.600 and we had to crawl through get through to the 231 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:59.279 other side. And as we're walking, it probably took about 232 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:02.600 forty minutes to walk to where we're going. We got 233 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:06.799 the recorder and we started walking back. As we're walking back, 234 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.360 i'd see a tree break that is right over the trail. 235 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:14.960 I'm like, hey, I don't remember that because I'm filming 236 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.480 all the tree breaks, but this one I don't remember 237 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.240 because we literally had to walk around. 238 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:22.440 It was right in the middle. 239 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.519 It was so wet that you can almost see dripping 240 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.879 of the sap. It was so wet it had just 241 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.519 been broken. Then all of a sudden, we hear a 242 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.080 crack behind us, and we turn around. Probably one hundred 243 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.200 feet away. We could see eyeshine looking at us. I'm 244 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.399 trying to film it my camera. For some reason, the 245 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.960 infrared light on my camera only can go about twenty 246 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:52.159 five feet. Whatever we're standing there stood just outside of 247 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.519 the infrared light, but we could see the eye shine. 248 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.000 Then all of a sudden, another one came walking out, 249 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.960 turned and looked. We're looking at this, and at the 250 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.559 same time, we could hear cracking, because the guy I 251 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.000 was with was like, gee, hear that. We could hear 252 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.120 cracking other things walking beside us. 253 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:10.159 I'm looking. 254 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.960 I'm trying to film this. I'm shaking. I'm all I'm 255 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.039 saying is don't run, anyone run because where we're going 256 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:19.840 to go. If these creatures are going to kill us, 257 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:22.559 They're just going to walk up and crack our head break, 258 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.279 twist our head off right so there's no point running. 259 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:29.559 Then the other one it closed its eyes, then it disappeared. 260 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:33.200 Then we rushed to the area where they were standing. 261 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:36.679 Out of the entire area beside us, all the trees 262 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:41.279 were very close together except at the spot where they 263 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.120 were standing. And we turned and looked. You could see 264 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:47.320 there was an opening big enough for whatever to go through. 265 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.919 We started walking back to the treet break. There was 266 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.159 two of them. That's the way two tweet breaks side 267 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.240 by side. We're looking at it. Then I did this 268 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:02.759 maneuver where we were looking back into the direction where 269 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.200 we saw the eye shine, and I did this maneuver 270 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.399 where I took a step forward and then turned around 271 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.519 really fast, like almost a dance move. There standing in 272 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.759 front of me with this dark shadow by a tree, 273 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.799 and it dropped to the ground. I think there was 274 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.120 a second one that went behind the tree. Then it 275 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.799 did what looked like a giant spider crawl, like a 276 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.080 giant spiders that went across I'm looking at this. I 277 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.799 had the video camera on, but I was talking. It 278 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.440 was facing me. I'm talking about what I was seeing 279 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:39.960 behind us with the light. So I turned around when 280 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.399 I saw this because the light off the screen, my 281 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.000 eyes were still trying to adjust. But what I saw 282 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:51.120 was these two white eyes staring at me as I 283 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.759 crawled across the trail. When I say crawled, it took 284 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.240 like three steps and it was gone into the forest. 285 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.840 But the eyes just stared at me the whole time. 286 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.440 And I'm looking at thinking is that a cougar? Because 287 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.440 I know we had seen Kuga tracks and other tracks around. 288 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:09.480 It was gone. I home. 289 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.919 It's felt backwards because it shook me and I yelled. 290 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:17.240 The researcher that was with turned around. I told him 291 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.159 what I saw. It was about twenty feet away from me, 292 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.360 twenty five feet, so I went to show him. So 293 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.440 I'm thinking maybe I was imaginary this leg. When you're 294 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.639 so scared, your imagination can take control. It can make 295 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.440 you see stuff that you want to see. That's what 296 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:38.200 I'm thinking until I got home three months later. I'm 297 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.960 now editing the footage with the lights off. I'm looking 298 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.559 and as I'm talking on camera about what I saw, 299 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.080 this big, huge thing crawl across. Well, actually there was 300 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:53.960 one eye watching behind me that I caught on camera, 301 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:57.440 so it wasn't my imagination. And there literally was something there. 302 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.799 When you see my documentaries like three and four, you 303 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:06.000 could actually see the eyeshine, and they were around us. 304 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.480 You could see some of the eye shine as we're walking. 305 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:12.519 For some reason, I think that these creatures, if they're real, 306 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.680 I think when I'm looking when I'm talking on camera, 307 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.519 they think I'm not looking at them because my back 308 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.039 is to them. They don't realize that I could catch 309 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.680 the eye shine on the infrared light, because throughout all 310 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.440 of my documentaries up filmed, I'd caught many eye shines 311 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.680 looking at me if I'm behind as I'm talking on camera. 312 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.839 I didn't see it in real time though. When I 313 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.000 was in my hammock and all that thing happened, we 314 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.319 had a recorder going at the same time. On that 315 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:50.039 recorder we caught talking it was like Yaco, so it 316 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:54.960 sounded like we had that on audio as it was talking. Then, 317 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.240 many years later I showed it to some Red Lake 318 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.400 then members who speak what they think is the language 319 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.960 the chief, and she told me that the language what 320 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:12.720 it was saying was I don't want you here, You're 321 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.079 annoying me. Get out. That's what she said. That was 322 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.960 when I was filming search of for Lasquatch three. I 323 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.799 was so scared that night after I saw that big 324 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.720 giant thing crawl across the ground, I slept in the truck. 325 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.240 I have no problem telling people I slept in the 326 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.480 truck after the experience. Something had come up in the 327 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.680 night and just walk hit the side of the truck 328 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.960 and shook it because one of the researchers was in 329 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.759 the back of the truck sleeping and it just shook 330 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.119 and scared him so bad. What else happened on that expedition, 331 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:53.240 We actually captured howls on the audio. At one point 332 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:57.519 I was in David So I had returned back and 333 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:01.160 I was sitting around the fire with everyone. Dominique he 334 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.039 had a flur and he's looking through and I had 335 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.079 a walkie on me and he's only twenty five thirty 336 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:10.640 feet behind me where we were perked trucks. I was 337 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.960 twenty five feet in the forest around the camp and 338 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.119 we were all sitting around talking and I was explaining 339 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:21.359 what happened, and he goesson, come here, there is something 340 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.240 watching you guys behind this tree. 341 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.279 I'm like, okay. 342 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.680 By at that time, I was still not sure, Like 343 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:31.960 I said, I can't tell you right now that what 344 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.480 happened to me back there with whatever crawled on the 345 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:40.160 ground and the eye shine were bigfoot, because all I 346 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:41.599 was seeing was the eye shine. 347 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:43.319 But I got up from the. 348 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.960 Fire and I walked through the forest back to where 349 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.839 David and there was another couple of researchers. He's looking 350 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:53.559 through the flur, and so I took the flur and 351 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:58.400 I looked, and sure enough, behind a tree, you could 352 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:03.000 see the backside of something. It was facing the camp. 353 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:07.319 It was probably about twenty feet in the forest, probably 354 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.920 about twenty twenty five feet from us in the forest. 355 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.160 You see the backside of it. It was actually white, 356 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.039 red hot like it was just it stuck out from 357 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:21.720 the tree. It was looking at everyone at the camp. 358 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.160 And stay tuned for more sasquat chattasy. We'll be right 359 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:26.680 back after these messages. 360 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:35.920 So I said, okay, David, I'm going to walk back 361 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:37.000 down the little trail. 362 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:38.400 I want to be on the side of it. 363 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.880 I'm going to walk into the forest and I'm going 364 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:44.319 to push it out so you can see exactly what 365 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.559 it is. I know it wasn't any other researchers because 366 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:51.720 all the researchers are about the fire. The other two 367 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.079 were beside me looking into the forest. So I walked 368 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.880 in and I turned my flashlight off and I had 369 00:20:58.920 --> 00:20:59.960 that my infra red cap. 370 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:01.559 I'm not going and I'm. 371 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:05.799 Walking into the darkness and it is pitch black. I'm 372 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:07.880 trying not to shake because I'm still thinking in my 373 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.240 head about what just happened with the big giant thing 374 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:14.319 that looked like a giant spider that crawled across. As 375 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.599 I'm walking, I can hear it walking taking steps in 376 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:21.400 the forest. I'm like, David, what's going on? 377 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:22.720 Where is it? 378 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:27.640 What's it doing? You will not believe whatever that was 379 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:29.400 in the forest. You won't believe what it did. 380 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:31.440 You will not believe. 381 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:35.640 It blows my mind to this day what it did. 382 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.599 I was trying to push it out. It walked away. 383 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.839 But what it did here's the tree. I was trying 384 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:48.400 to make it move out. The dang thing moved away 385 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:53.440 from us, keeping the bloody tree between David and the 386 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:58.680 creeture like the tree walked straight. I didn't push it out. 387 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.240 It is as if it that. I couldn't see it, 388 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.480 not even with the video camera, because the bushes were 389 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:07.240 so dense. I could not believe it. I kind of 390 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:09.559 walked back out and I said, oh, did you see it? 391 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:13.359 He said, no, it walked away, but it walked directly, 392 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:17.119 keeping the tree from me. Seeing exactly what it was. 393 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.559 It just blows my mind it did that. So that 394 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.599 was the start of moving up the percentage of my 395 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:29.480 belief in Bigfoot. From there, I went to Michigan again. 396 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.039 This time I was about a year later. I went 397 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.640 to a farm and I was with Chad Datema and 398 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.119 a bunch of other researchers. I was with Robin Haines 399 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.640 Wickraye also. We went into this area. There was about 400 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:50.400 six of us. As soon as we walked past the farm, 401 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:54.519