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Speaker 3: Show. What all right, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to
the show the Biblical hit Men. Folks. My name is
Steven and you're you're a glorious host for tonight, and
we're going to get into something interesting. Something I'm I mean,
I'm not really quitely familiar with just getting into it,
researching it, and I think it may contribute to some
interesting stuff biblically right through allegory and all this kind
of stuff. I got my boy Doc Brown in the house.
What is that, brother, It's good to see you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, disturble Man and his underwear TV watching time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, man, It's so funny.
I'll just calling to say what's up, and I was like, oh, dude,
this is right up your alley. You know, the topic
tonight is the how do you say this? Yeah, Lucinian, right,
mysteries illusion a something like that. I don't know, and
maybe it's spelt roll, you're right, and uh you know
you're you're right in a second book and uh, you
know it might be right up this kind of alley
because it all kind of connects to the divine feminine. Uh,
you know, the horror of babylon revelation is described holding
a cup and this is a ritual of some sort
of enlightenment, a death and rebirth with with with the
ritual and the cup and drinking. Certain you know this
this this drug or chemical that maybe gets created with
the concoction of of multiple things. Uh inside of it man.
But uh, for the people watching that may not be
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you're a researcher. Let them know where they can find you.
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Speaker 3: Nice. Man, I'm excited to see you soon. We're gonna
hang out soon, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we got a date coming.
Speaker 3: We do we do, man, real quick. There's some static
like coming from your your mic? Is it the right input?
Sometimes stream Yard will like change it on you or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Uh, check with the chat because every time I
do stream Yard, people tell me they hear that when
I talk, but it hasn't never came through the actual recording.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, well yeah, let me what's up.
We're live. Yeah, you know, I don't even know really
where to start with uh with the topic, but you know,
you you've put some time into into this man, where
where do you think the conversation should should begin?
Speaker 4: I guess uh, if he is wanting to look into this.
Two great resources that I had read and listened to
the audio books was the The Road to a Lusis
and uh the Immortality Key. Uh. Let me look here.
I got the book, or at least one of them
over here.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: It's by Brian and I want to butcher this last name,
uh Mi Resca, I'm a rescue but uh and the
other guy, I didn't even grab the book. But uh,
I can't remember his name now, but he is a
a Harbor professor or something like that, I'm pretty sure.
But well, here it is, hang on man, Carl p Ruck.
He's the one that wrote The Road to Eleusis. At
those two books is kind of how I stumbled into
this subject matter. But basically, I think I heard a
podcast and these two guys were on and they were
talking about this illusion mysteries, and that there was this
drink that they would drink and these rituals that they
would do, these elites and everything, and it was this
big seecret that Plato and all these famous people, Marcus
Aurelius and all these people Homer. They all talked about
these rituals and stuff that they would do, but it
was so secretive that nothing was written down. All you
had was kind of like rumors and hearsay, and kind
of what you hear hinted out through Plato and Homer
and some of these guys. That's the only kind of
hint that you get. And but one of the promises
they made I thought was pretty interesting that caught my
attention was they said, those who come to eleusis never die,
and to practice the art of living, you must first
have practice the art of dying. That way you didn't
fear death. But they don't really even know where or
when this all started, because they have the illusion mysteries
being quoted, like like I said, in Odysseus's story with
the Odyssey, and then you get it again with the Iliad.
You get talks about Odysseus trying to make it back
home and lands on this island with the Searcy. The
witch and all of her nymphs were there, and they
mixed this drink for them and they become intoxicated and
they forget about home, and they keep them there for
I think a year year or two years before Odysseus
finally snaps out of it and leaves again in the
Iliad with Homer and Jason and the Argonauts that Medea
she's another witch. She makes this concoction for Jason to
drink before he goes to sow the dragon's teeth. So
you have hints of these these drinks and these immortality
seeking psychedelic type drinks and stuff way way back, and
then it kind of comes through Demeter. So some people's
even argued that because Demeter is the goddess that kicked
off the Elusian mysteries, and so some people have theorized
that maybe you know, this is much much older, but
maybe even some of these other stories and rituals and
traditions influenced the story of Demeter. But yeah, this is
something that it's it's our kane in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I you know, I even think it goes
back way before you know the time of you know,
this happen in near Athens and all this. I say
that because it's funny. There's a like. According to the
Roman historian Pliny the Elder, the legendary Assyrian queen Samaramus
possessed a massive wine bowl or cup that was captured
by Cyrus the Great, and according to his documentations, you know,
this was like, you know, something that was as big
that could hold like twelve hundred pounds, right, you know,
like it weighed fifteen talents like it was. It was.
And what's crazy is is in Revelation seventeen, we see
the horror of Babylon holding that cup and we see that,
you know what, she's drunk off the blood of the
saints and all this kind of stuff. And so something's
happening there allegorically, and I know that these ancient practices
and rituals kind of have something to do with it,
or at least we can maybe cherry pick certain ideas
to maybe formulate an opinion of what it'll look like
in the future. You know, it's like, like, what does
what does this all this mean? You know, they're it's
representing eternal life in some sort of way, right, It's
like that it's it's the great work in the cup,
you know pretty much. And there's this death and rebirth
process and uh, you know they probably reached like this
Chris Christos, you know, this this christ consciousness, and would
you would you say that that's the whole point of
the ritual is to reach that or or has something
to do to do with it.
Speaker 4: I think it is, and I think it's just it
meant different things verbiage wise, to different cultures and different people.
But I think we're talking about the same thing.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, it goes back to Medea uh Sears uh
and the Black Caucus Mountains and this is where the
Tuatha de Danu originally stem from the Scythian bloodlines and uh,
something I've been talking about and heavily researching because of
my book. Uh. These bloodlines say they are of the
Dragon Court. They go all the way back to the
Ananaki gods. There are a sub human race born and
bred to rule over humanity because we're dumb. And you know,
they're the bread leaders and so they have the divine
right to rule. And they had these rituals and then
involve these kookions and these drinks. But there was blood mixer.
Speaker 3: And real quick, what's the cookie to tell people what
the kooki on is? Like? What that is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let me back up and go right here
real quick. Let's see.
Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't interrupt you.
Speaker 4: No, no, you're good. It's a good point.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know historical origins, you know, the my s In
period that some of them say at sixteen hundred to
eleven hundred BC.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: But excavations at Lucis uncovered my sin buildings and evidence
of ritual activity during the period. Uh. But it has
Bronze age roots and you know, back to like three
thousand BC. But where was it at They talked of
the themes fit with death of grain. Now this is Demeter,
the fertility goddess, burial in the earth, rebirth and spring,
seasonal renewal, sacred kingship, all these type things. But I
was trying to find it. But they've done some excavations
and they found these drinks, these bowls, these chalices like
you had mentioned, and they scraped the inside of them
and done testing on them, and they found and each
one of them is a little different. But there are
all these these concoctions for these rituals. And they found opium, poppy,
other you know, they say that my scira mushrooms, all
these different psychedelic stuff mixed into the wine. And I
think this is what the Bible was talking about when
it talked about you know, don't participate in strong drink
because Jesus, I mean, hell, his first miracle turned water
into wine. So and it says he done that so
the celebration could continue. I mean they had water, so
I mean they wouldn't if they were thirsty, they could
have just drunk the water. They're thirsty. No, they wanted
to celebrate, and Jesus drank wine the last summer. He
wasn't condemning drinking wine. He done it. But I think
when you hear that that strong drink, that's these drinks
that we're talking about today. I think that's what they
were alluding to. But they had found with Demeter that
they give a list of some of the things that
was in the drink and grain was in their barley,
honey and some other things. But what they had found
in that science testing that they found that it was
high traces of ergot in there. So basically, once it's
set out so long that the barley and grain would
ferment and start growing a fungus. So they're saying they
don't know if this was intentional or maybe an accident,
and then they learned how to replicate it. But either way,
this ear got or ir got fermented the wine and
the beer and give a hallucinogenic effect. And so the
Kuchion is this drink. And so you see this in
uh many cultures throughout you know, different religions, and some
people even say that the Christian you know Grail, the
drinking of the the wine at the uh what do
you call that? The Lord's Supper is a Christian Eucharist.
It's Christianity mimicking something that the Pagans were doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild, right, Like, so when you would when
I guess when they mix together this concoction of multiple ingredients,
when it would develop either this fungus or it would
develop you know, psychedelic chemicals, right, and then they would
go into this trip. Now one thing too I read
that was interesting is they would make this trip I
think on foot, and they would walk to the destination
of kind of like where this you know, Bohemian Grove
was happening back in the day. It's kind of like
what this was, right, It was a group of people
that we're sharing philosophies with each other and doing d
MT trips and you know, going into probably meditation and
other occult practices and stuff. You know, they they would
get there and they would fast, so they wouldn't eat
and then they would do this. So it's very similar.
I see some similarities. Ayahuasca. Yeah, that's popular in our.
Speaker 4: Culture today, right, yeah, well yeah, it's a new version
of it. They tell them when you get there, you're
supposed to fast for so many hours. That way, when
you drink their drink, it's like drinking alcohol and empty stomach,
it hits you twice as hard. So that's what they've done.
They would fast that way they would get a stronger
you know, revelation or spirit journey. So yeah, a lot
of that stuff I think today is echoes of those
ancient things. Oh but I found that thing, the kki.
Speaker 3: On, and that's what this is pretty much what we're
talking about.
Speaker 4: Yes, yea, the Homeric hymns and demeter the of course,
you know, they don't list everything because it's the mystery school,
but they give you like the basis of it in
some of his writings, and it says that it consisted
of barley, water and mint, and it said on its
face it sounds harmless. However, several researchers done the ear
got testing and found that and Carl p Ruck was
one of those, and he was the one that got
this all started. He's the one that wroteasically the first
kind of well researched, you know, book on this subject,
The Road to Eleusis. And he said that he actually
coined the term what was it called anthogen and anthigen.
So he said, they kept saying drugs, drugs, drugs, he said,
and drugs had such a negative connotation to it, he said,
So he said, I had to come up with a
new word for it, he said, because it wasn't taking
drugs to just be a burnout, you know. He said,
it had a spiritual purpose to it, you know, a
religious purpose to it. So he come up with the
and coined the term antigen, which is two Greek root
words put together, and basically it just means that God within,
the anthigen, God within. So by taking these drinks, you
are consuming the God, you're bringing, you're channeling the spirit
inside to you as a conduit to do their beating basically.
And so he coined this whole thing, you know, anthegens
because he said drugs sounded like a dirty word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't, you know, very popular with everybody. Yeah,
this is this is crazy, man. What else you got
on on the Kikion or whatever. So they would they
would drink this, and I'm assuming they're going into the
astral realm or they're locking themselves up or in sensory deprivation,
like I think they had these ideas and they're going
and it's like they're going into these higher realms. This
is what they're they're saying. They're going to these higher realms,
they're communicating with these entities, they're getting wisdom, and they're
coming back. They come back and they all kind of
just chit chat with each other and they have conversation
and they share ideas of their trips with each other,
and they come up with the philosophies that they were
well known for that have influenced the Western world like tremendously,
which is wild when you think of that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, and that's what they were doing, man.
And the thing was too is even with the the
the Dragon Court, you know their drinking, you know there's
there's blood and vaginal secretions mixed in, but they even
talk about taking it to commune with the other world.
So it's it's a good possibility that there was some
psychedelics and stuff mixed in there. Also, you know. But
let's see I had mentioned it earlier the the Homer
book ten seriously with the sweet wine potion. We see
it there. And another thing is, like you'd mentioned the
the Mythrick religion, you know, their initiations, like you'd mentioned,
they go into this cave, this cold dark and they
go through these nine stages, which is supposed to be
in the nine realms or spears, you know. Uh. And
it is a death and rebirth ritual. And they drunk
these drinks there too, because it enhanced the the feeling,
the experience, you know what I mean, you're really submerged
in it. And uh, you have this with this dragon
court also, but they do it in allegory, like when
you hear about mail You scene, Mail You scene was
this dragon princess and she's depicted a lot of times
as like a mermaid, you know, scaled from the waist
down depicting her you know, dragonstics.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, right, I get what you're saying, because I
can see it all throughout some different iconographis yeah.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And so she had the maze and at
the center of the maze was the well with the
living waters, right, and they said there was this black
cube that the water come from, and when you get
in there, when you made it to the center and
found her, she would embrace you. But a lot of people,
it's fifty to fifty, some would die, some would come
out reborn a new man. And that's the same concept here,
because it's death and resurrection of the new man. And
they say, basically it's alchemical in nature, that the death
is symbolic. It's the death of the ego, the death
of the self and elevating to what the New Age
people now call the christ consciousness. And that's what these
people were experiencing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's this. There's a name for the cave ritual
or the or the myth behind it or whatever, like,
there's a name for it. I found it. I just
can't trying to look it up. I think it starts
with a pe or something. It was a lot anyway,
or per serophones into scent or something like that.
Speaker 4: Oh no, persephone. That's a whole different myth, but that's tied.
Speaker 3: To demean It's very similar, right, because almost.
Speaker 4: In here, let me see, let me find it. I'll
go to it because I put it in here because
I knew that that.
Speaker 3: Was Uh, it's links to this, like.
Speaker 4: It's the far As the illusion mysteries. Now, uh, she's
directly connected to it. And basically I'm trying to find
it in my notes, but uh, okay, here it is.
Speaker 3: Uh let me see. I'm okay.
Speaker 4: So basically the way the story goes is Demeter, she's
a fertility god. Her daughter is Persephone, and the legend
you know, Hades gives her the the pomegranate seed and
she goes into the underworld and she's trapped. Demeter's lost
or forever, and so she doesn't bring the rain, she
doesn't bring the sun. All the people are struggling, praying,
and she's not answering because she's so just distraught looking
for her daughter. So the gods get together and barter
her with Hades and says, okay, you can have her
half the year, but the other half the year, you
gotta let her come back to her mom because her
mom's destraught. The crops are not growing, the humans are relentless,
crying and praying to us every night. We got to
do something. So that's how you get this death you know,
of winter and then spring coming back when Persephone rises
out of hates and rejoins Demeter and the meters happy again,
and so she brings the rain and stuff. But in
that legend, it talks about her going from town to
town looking and can't find her. And this is how
this whole thing gets started in Eleusis. She makes it
to the city of Eleusis looking for her daughter, and
at that point she finally, like you know, gives up.
And so she pretends to be a regular person, and
she's gonna, like, you know, fade away from godhood or
you know, goddess hood, and she's just gonna be a
normal person. She's done, and she finds a king and
queen and lives with them. They had a newborn son,
and so she applies for a job as like the
nurse basically of the newborn child, and she looks after
the child and she takes a liking to it, and
she doesn't want the child to die. So she starts
doing these rituals to this baby at night while everybody's asleep,
and it describes it as like a flame. She holds
this baby over a flame, but it doesn't burn. And
she does this every night, and she's supposed to do
it for so many nights, you know, for it to
be complete. But one night, the mother of the child
wakes up and wants to check on her baby and
walks in and catches her in full Godess form holding
this baby over flames like she's burning it and freaks
out and she runs in and screams and starts smacking,
you know, demeters like oh no, put him down, and
interrupts the ritual and the flame goes out and demeet her,
you know, basically tells her off. She's like, he's going
to die now. I was doing this for him. I
was burning off his you know, mortality basically, but now
he's going to die because of you and ah as
like her penance, she commanded that everyone was to you know,
go to this direct a temple for her and make
this beer and do this festival every single year. So
she's passing that ritual that she was trying to do
to the kid to the people. And that is how
the whole you know, Road to elusis the illusion Mystery
School's got started, was off of that whole myth there.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man. It sounds so much like, uh, you know,
the myth behind Cabell the Orseybelle and Addis in the
Anatolian Phrygian you know culture. But because it's it's the
whole kind of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what's that one about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like the myth of Kabellian Addis is like
this ancient right tale of tragic love and divine madness
and rebirth, and it's like deeply rooted in cycle seasons
pretty much kind of like what what is passed on
throughout other cultures, like you just got talking to that's
crazy how it's connected to this. But but Cabelli is
like the mother goddess and Addis is her son slash
consort that she has the ability to, uh you know,
rebirth over and over and over again. You know, Addis
gets jealous at Cabelli and ends up you know, uh
killing himself right and and castrating himself. And that's a
big thing too. That's kind of connected to these mythologies,
you know, the the Osiris myth, right, you know, the
fallusk was missing, there's you know, uh, the castration of
Addis in the in the Cabelli cults. It's like it's
it's interesting and and the the priests, the the initiates
who became priests. In order to get into the cult,
you had to castrate yourself. You had to do what
Addis did right, right, Yeah, And you know what's crazy
is uh it's like, I mean, how could how could
you even put I don't these people are wild, but
you know what they're doing, right, Like they're taking these
drugs as well, right, and they're having these serious experiences
and and and mind altering you know, emotional trips, and
they're they're coming back and they're like, uh uh yeah,
this is what we have to do to to you know, uh,
stay in tune, you know, with this, with this phenomenon
that they're in touch with. Then then they're probably going
to go to pretty great extents of whatever. And they
would castrate themselves and throw the piece on black fertile soil,
which the black fertile soil is representing that that mother goddess,
you know, that that fertility right where then they would
bury it and it would regrow and help the crops
regenerate for that for that next season. And it's just
very interesting that you know, these priests they were named
the Galli or whatever, right, So there's like also like
a transgender kind of hidden characteristic in some of the
some of that too, right, it's like your your and
and it was male initiates that were becoming like females, right,
So it's like something to that too. You know, it's
like you're becoming one with this goddess in some sort
of way where you're you're so balanced that you know,
you you you, you end up bringing in that feminine
sight of your you know that may dominate over your
masculine side, and then you're you're one with this this goddess.
I don't know, I don't know, not sure exactly what
they get out of this, right, like, but but it.
Speaker 4: Has something they're telling them. You know, hey, you're going
to do this ritual. You're practicing the art of dying.
We're going to burn off your immortality. Because if you
think about humanity, our number one fear is is death.
I mean it is even if you got Christ. I
mean that's a scary thing. We can be tough and say,
you know, oh I know where I'm going, I'm good,
but deep down we all have that. And and even
me speaking from personal experience, you know, I just turned
uh well and I'm forty one now, but when I
turned forty, I don't know, dude. It's like my mind
switched to a different mode. It's like, oh my god,
if the best case scenario, half my life's over right now?
You know, what, what have I done with my life?
Have I left a legacy? It's people going to remember
me when I'm gone? Or have I been a good
father of I taught my kids everything they need to
know to be you know, good contributors to society and
image bearers of God, you know, and things like that.
I anyway, really started thinking about my mortality at forty.
So when you go and they're promising you, you remember
the promise. It said those who come to a loosis
never die. That's what they told you. So you went,
you paid this money, you went through this ritual, you
drunk this drink, and you know, I mean, we don't
know exactly what happens, but we know, you know, psychedelic
trips they go into this you know, upside down world,
mechanical lelves and whatever else, and they experience these entities
and some of them talk about how much love and
light they have, you know, and all this kind of stuff.
And then when they sober up and come out of
their ortel, they're like that wasn't scary at all.
Speaker 3: That was beautiful.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's the other side, right, I don't
fear death anymore. That's beautiful. I get to be there
all the time when I die, that's what's next. I'm
no longer afraid of death, you know. So that was
the kind of the the thinking of the of the
people of the time, and I think why it was
so attractive to them.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And it's crazy too. I think Plato wrote
something on that after his initiations and his experiences with
with this this you know, mystery cult, that that his
view on death was completely different his view and a
lot of other people, right, Like there were even like
Roman emperors that were a part of this too, Like
the network of it was about it.
Speaker 4: He was the philosopher king, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Geez, yeah, like like this this was probably more popular
than as secretive as maybe we think. I don't know,
maybe amongst like the the higher ups, you know, they
knew about it or whatever. This and that you know,
if if nothing has changed under the sun, right, it's
either these things are still happening, these things are still
going on, or it's it's you know, there's there's a
different optical version of it, right like okay, yeah, yeah,
that's a good, good point. Yeah yeah. A lot of
things coming out of that, a lot of rituals, a
lot of evil, right intent, eternal life, all of this
kind of stuff. It's and as we're approaching artificial intelligence,
I can only think that maybe the I think the
Harlot has everything to do with artificial intelligence if if
this thing ever does become sentient enough or it hits
you know, super intelligence, Like, what's that really going to
look like? Are we gonna is the divine feminine the
godes is going to be portrayed through artificial intelligence? And
is artificial intelligence going to offer you know, eternal life
down down the road? I don't know. I'm trying to
think because in Revelation seventeen, right, which what we're talking
about has a huge connection to Revelation seventeen. It's the
Bible is full of authority over these myths. But the
thing is is that what John is describing is something
so similar right to the allegorical, to the imagery and
the things that we're talking about and the whole you know,
this this harlet sits on many waters it's a city
number one, but it's it's the world's functioning with it
in such a way to where I'm like, artificial intelligence
could probably fit into that category. Right. How how everyone's
going to use it? You know, you you've got your show.
Speaker 4: Uh, those who will be afraid of what it said
that they would seek death and would not find it. Sure, yeah,
they finally do get it, you know what I mean.
And like you talked about the horror of Babylon h
with the stuff I was looking at, you know, like
it with malusine and the divine you know, feminine and
these dragon princesses that gave their blood and secretions and
when they dreank that they would go to the other world, right,
and then they'd come back a new man with like
the spirit of their ancestors inside of them, and then
they were sovereign. They had the I mean that was
kind of like a the they said. The chemicals and
stuff in it, AH had high doses of melatonin and
other things like that. You know, they's supposed to help
your health and help you live longer, rejuvenate, to help
you know, cognitive skills, and maybe give the side of
foresight and all this other kind of stuff. At the
same time, it was a symbolic christening or crowning. It
was a Christos event, you know, christing, you know, anointing
this person as the high king. And with her, you know,
it's always the woman. That's the matriarchal society. They picked
a line of succession and who's going to be next,
and they're the ones providing this elixir of immortality. And
I think that's who that Horror Babylon is. And it
says that she's writing this dragon. And I think I've
mentioned this to you before, but like vlad dim Paler,
it says outright and that he was of the dragon
court and he went to the Solomonic uh you know
Harry Potter, Hogwarts mystery schools, and only the select few
from these bloodlines got to go. But once you graduated,
it said that you would have said to have ridden
the dragon. And when I read that, I was like,
oh my god, that's the Horror Babylon because she's you
know this, she's like seriously, she's this wit and she
has this dragon she's writing on. So here's this dragon
princess writing the dragon, showing you she's initiated in all
the mysteries, and then that goblet, you know, it says that,
you know, it's like you said, she's drunk off the
blood of the saints. And then it says that inside
of her cup. In some English translations it says that's
full of her abominations. But when you get into the
original language, the Greek, the Greek says her pornea. So
think about the Christian and during this time that was
witnessing these illusion mystery schools, these dragon princess rituals and
things like that that would definitely be pornaic in their eyes.
And so here's this this koochion full of her pornea
because of the sexual stuff tied to some of the
chemicals in that drink, and she's writing the mystery school Dragon.
I think that's what they're talking about, because I was
trying to find it while you were talking, but I
cannot find it. I had dates, because it's talked about
this went on all the way up to don't quote
beyond the date, but around three seventy something, So think
about that. You had the Counsel of Nicia in three
twenty five, So whil though they were debating, you know,
cutting out the Gnostic texts and stuff to make their cannon.
This was still going on. The road to Eleusis was
still going on, and all this stuff was happening right
in front of them.
Speaker 3: What a crazy time could you imagine like being in
those times?
Speaker 4: How about?
Speaker 3: Right? Like, I wonder what it was really like because
I think people back in that time were way more
familiar with Like, for example, if you were a Christian
back in that day, you would be more familiar in
that time. If the pagan stuff that was going on
right like there wasn't like all these I guess distractions,
you know, our cell phones, entertainment, this and that, which
which normal people talk about every day, right like on
their break or this what on the cell phone? This that, Like,
the people back then were probably talking about these things
going on or you know, there was you know, there's
probably people back in that day like having their own
tinfoil hat on talking about these these people they're getting
together and they're drinking this drink and they're doing this
and they're connecting with you know, the gods or the entities,
the fallen angels whatever this that. It's just funny, man,
how really nothing has changed kind of under the sun,
you know, we're we're doing the same.
Speaker 4: Thing to factory. To them, you know what I mean, right,
they were desensitized to it. It was their normal. To us,
it's like, oh my god, that's so crazy. But it
was happening all the time, all around them. And like
I said, I wish man, we need to do this
show again. But after uh I can get my craft together. Uh,
because there's so much stuff that I'm just remembering bits
and pieces of it, but I can't remember all of it,
you know what I'm saying, that the juicy stuff, but
I remember in the Immortality key, he said that he
even found the archaeologists have found caves through Anatolia, and
that in the caves is all kinds of Christian iconography
and benches, and there's paintings of Jesus on the chriss
and Mary Magdalene and all this stuff. And they found
these kochions and these containers even in those facilities testing
with these psychedelics. He said, this is showing He said
that you know, the early Christians were even partaken in
this and doing this. And what he says is basically
that you know, before the Council of Niciah, that Christianity
you know, of course she had a mixed bag, just
like you do today, but a lot of it was
more heavily what we would call New Age or Gnostic leaning.
They were going in these caves and drinking the kookyons
to experience God, and they were these are the wolves
in sheep clothing that Paul talks about. They were infiltrating
the church and saying, oh, they're talking about, you know,
Moses having visions and experiencing God, and Jacob wrestling with
the Angel of the Lord. And you hear, you know,
you read and hear about all this great stuff, but
you're not experiencing it, are you, Because they got it wrong.
They're not doing everything they need to do. Come over
here to our little house church or this cave church
we got and you can really experience God for yourself.
And they were doing it and drinking it and having
these visions and stuff. And that's why the water was
so muddy. That's why the Council of Nicia had to happen,
because all that stuff was going on at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy, you know. It's like, so you said
that in those caves they would have drawings of Mary Magdalen, right,
So that's like a divine feminine. It rolls into the
gnostic thing that you were talking about, and it's like
in our day today. Uh. And you said, like, right,
these were like Gnostic Christians in this area, you know,
like Chris Bledsoe, you know, he's like a Gnostic Christian
today and he's talking about the lady. Right. So it's
like it's it's happening kind of still, right, It's it's
never gone away. Mystery always is repeating itself. It's I
think it's secular, right, Uh. And it's fascinating man, that
that's that's there is always this connection with that realm
when you do access that realm with these drugs, uh,
with with the divine feminine, you know. And I think
it has a lot to do with the powers of Satan, right.
I think I think that he's like, why does why
is there a personification of a few email that that
Satan is is giving off? Like why is Satan giving
off this this divine femine? Why do you think that?
You know? Because what I'm saying is there's a direct
connection with Lucifer and also the divine feminine, with the
you know, being the son of the Morning, the morning
Star ish Tar YadA, YadA, YadA. You know there's always
this duality to him. Why do you think he's kind
of always appeared. Do you think it's like a freedom thing,
like a liberating like a motherly thing.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I think so. And it could be
like you know the Baphomet, how they depicted as androgynous.
You know, it's both sexes, and everybody talks about you know,
LGBTQ and all this kind of stuff. It's like nothing
news under the sun. Like you had mentioned earlier, there
was all kinds of eunuchs cutting out their testicles and
you know, becoming transgender. Back then, a Nana was mentioned
in the ancient Sumerian texts Uh being adrogynist too. He
said that she was a a woman in the streets
or the bedroom, and then she was a man in
the lhouse. So you kind of have that duality again there.
But one thing I think too is Satan. Of course,
I mean, all cars on the table, I'm a serpent
seed guy. I know, not everybody's like that, but Satan
in the garden, he goes after Eve right and tries,
in my interpretation, you know, sows some seed there. So
he had some sexual desires. And there's all kinds of
other texts that you allude to that and talk about
that too. Uh So, I think sex was like the
original sin, and Satan got to see firsthand how much
control the the what the woman has between her legs,
how much control that that has over men and sway
it has over men. I mean she influenced you know,
Adam to do that. He knew he was supposed to
partake of the tree, right, God told him firsthand. But
he sees Eve do it, and he chooses to do
it anyway, because you know women do they have a
pool and a sway over a man, and all the
sexual stuff you hear about Genesis six. So I think
you know, Satan, he likes power, he likes influence, and
he knows that he can wield that through through women.
And if you have these divine feminines and all these
rituals and stuff with you know, temple prostitutes bringing in
the men, offering them sex with the goddess, you know,
and on all these things, Oh worship me with this
pleasurable thing for you. I mean that to most you know,
earthly men, that sounds pretty good. So I think that's
by design.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to new Path forty four. Forty four,
thank you for the super chat says thanks for the information,
brothers much love man, Thank you appreciate that. SI. That's awesome,
you know, because.
Speaker 4: I want to take a breath while I was laughing, I.
Speaker 3: Oh, that one got so sorry. Oh that was good.
Thank you for that, you know, because it's like in
Revelation seventeen, you know, the Kings are you know, uh,
fornicating with with with the whore. Right. It's and it's
almost like this horror Babylon does kind of have this
presence of either being a religion or or being a god. Right.
And I say that because when I read Daniel chapter eleven,
verse thirty eight, and it says that the anti Christ
honors the God of forces, you know, they you know
that the Antichrist is honoring a god, you know, and
it could be in a similar way, kind of like
a counterfeit way, right of how Jesus was honoring the Father,
and how Jesus was you know, had a connection with
with the Father obviously, right, you know, we pray to
the Father and these things. Right, So it's like it's
like that this anti Christ figure may have in some
sort of way of connection with this goddess in whatever
way it's going to look like, you know. I mean
today it's being talked about as you know, these orbs
of light, right, or a phenomenon that people are getting
in contact with in the astral or the you know whatever,
the acastic record, whatever this place is called. So it
and that's what I'm seeing culturally, I'm seeing it moving
towards I'm seeing like what's known as like the rise
of the vine feminist. You know. It's like even even
in a lot of movies. There's a movie that's coming
out with Sandra Bullock and the blonde haired lady that
was in Eyes Wide Shut, what's her name? Forget her name,
but it's called Magic, and it's about these two women
that are like best friends. And I haven't seen the movie,
but I don't know if they're like in a relationship
or not, but they're they're they're witches, right, They're witches
that are performing magical rituals and stuff. And it's really
it's I'm gonna probably end up going to go to
see it just to kind of maybe try and you know,
cipher as much as I can, but you know, Isis
was also known to be a goddess of magic right
in the mythologies, and so I think it's in some
sort of way, like you know, a present day ritual
or honoring to Isis. I don't know, so yeah, it
could be.
Speaker 4: I mean. And one thing too, is dear and the
I'm trying to think now it was the twenty sixteen
I want to think election cycle or the the COVID
one of what was it, the uh, the guy Floyd
Uh that I can't bathe Floyd. Yeah, that that was
going on, all the riots, all the women and feminists,
Antifa and uh, that that's arising in that that spirit,
the whole LGBTQ, uh and all that kind of stuff.
And to me, I think that you know, with with
the push for homosexuality, the LGBTQ, the transgender even if
you go back to ancient days, the eunuch, uh, all
those things I think are part of the seed war
because he wants to strangle out you know, God's people,
you know, and so how do you do that? And
another thing I find really compelling is NATO and the
UN all the world governments unanimously agree that we have
a population problem. And they're always talking about population control,
population control, and that's Satan's seed war. So if you're
number one making everybody you know, transgender, gay, all these
other type things like that, you're not reproducing, you're not
pro creating, and God said be fruitful and multiply, so
that that's an attack on the seed war, busting up
the homes, encouraging single motherhoods for that government check, you know,
I mean, all these different things. If they can't stop
you from breeding, then they're gonna sabotage you to where
you have a broken home and wind up in prison,
you know what I mean. So I think all that's
kind of you know, pieces on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny even.
Speaker 4: With the women, the whole you know, the mighty woman.
You go back to you know, World War one or two,
when the men went off and then the women had
to go into the factories. That was I think by
design too, because it's like, oh, yeah, give them a chase,
a taste of freedom and what making money and independence
is like. Because when the boys come back home and
they try to take get them to go back into
the home, then they don't want to go no more
because they've had a taste of freedom and making money,
and that would help with you know, the divorce rates
and the breaking up God's design because I'm not a
male chauvinistic, you know, I mean, I am a Southern man.
But it's like a married couple can't make it on
a single income anymore. I mean some do, but it's
because the man is very, very blessed and makes a
buttload of money. But that's the you know, two percenters
for the most of us, it takes two because of
that what happened there. You know, if the women wouldn't
have had to go to work, they would have never
seen or never thought the grass was greener on the
other side, and with a state, and with the woman
being there, not that she's any better or worse. I'm
not trying to put anybody down or anybody up on
a pedestal, but God designs us all. I believe for
a purpose. That the man is to work the field.
According to you know, the curse to Adam, we're to
live off the sweat of our brow and the disciplinary ones,
the guiters, the spiritual leaders of the household, and the women.
They have a very important role and it's something that
we can't do you know, be nurturers and care caregivers
and things like that. So the youth and the children
do all these things are not getting you know, the
proper tools to uh work at life basically. You know.
Speaker 3: So great point.
Speaker 4: How we got off on it. We kind of went
off the subject a little bit there, didn't.
Speaker 3: We Yeah, no, but that that that's important man, you know,
and it's resonating with a lot of people, right, like
we're living through this stuff. Man. You know, it's rough, dude.
And and the world's never been in a place where
it's at today, you know, it hasn't been that way.
You know you mentioned in those times too, like all
this chaos, well like that is kind of goes back
to Eris, right, the Greek goddess of chaos and strife, right,
known for you know, Discordianism, and uh, you know, it's
it's interesting, how I see what you're saying. You know,
it could it's like that spirit in action, right, It's crazy, man,
it's crazy. Yeah, you know, we could circle back back
into the Eleusian a mis terror. There's I mean again,
what what people do you know were initiates into this,
were a part of this.
Speaker 4: Basically from what I'd read. It's like anybody that had
the money and means to did it was the thing,
you know what I mean? Uh, you know, Marcus Aurelius
is recorded as a partaker every year. I'm trying to
think I had a little list here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, man, This stuff goes all the way
back to the garden. Man. I think it really does
you know, narcissism that you know, because I don't think
the conversation between the serpent and Eve, I think it
was more than that. I think the Bible tells us
exactly everything we needed to know on there. I'm not
putting down the Bible when I'm saying this, I'm just
speculating a little bit on the topic that there was
more to the conversation than just a few sentences. You know,
I think there was a lot of psychological things going on.
You know, there's a lot of siofs, you know, a
lot a little bit of truth this. But really you're
you're you're doing the wrong thing. But what I think
was also being talked to Eve. You know, I think
he chose Eve because the woman's role is number one. Like,
like you said, we can't do what they can do,
and so he he chose to you know, go to
Eve for that. But also because I think a lot
of the a lot of Lucifer's philosophies are matriarchal, like
you know what I'm saying, Like I and I think
that he was presenting these things to Eve to try
and get Eve to like kind of overthrow the patriarchy
of Adam, right, and which would throw things off right,
it would throw it would throw the structure completely off
of how God intended things to be and how God
created things to be. And when you look at today,
you can see, you know that that matriarchal society seems
to be rising in the workforce too, right, like because
you see now that there's more stay at home dads
and you know, or or people are working from home.
And plus two, like the wives are in the workspace too,
and some of those wives are like, you know, way
more successful than some of their husbands. Right, And so
like there comes like this flip in the dynamic of
the home a little bit. Because finances are dude, I mean,
like how important are finances and how stressful are finances?
And how weight do finances you know hold when you're
taking care of most of them and all this kind
of stuff, right, like it can get kind of you know,
drama can stir up right between a couple nowadays since
both of them are in the works workplace. But because
I you know what, at least you know, I've gone
on your show, I've talked about the divine feminine. I've
talked about you know, like the Paleolithic findings according to
like when they date these things, that Venus, uh, you know,
was one of the things that not Venus like Greek,
but Venus of Willendorff was one of the things that
was worshiped first, like amongst the archaeological findings that we
can date to this period, right, and it was like
this monotheistic, matriarchal religion, right. And I think that this was,
you know, the bloodline that was worshiping the serpent. I
think this was the bloodline that was worshiping the dragon,
you know, and the dragon has some it has a
lot of connections.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was it was it was in stark
contrast of God's design. So he puts you know, the
woman in power. And one thing I thought was uh telling,
I guess when I was looking through you know, the
serpent seed and how you know, if that was what
happened there, he fulfilled his promise to her, because if
you remember what did he say to her, he said,
if you do this thing, he said, you, ye shall
be as God's. Well, at this point, God was the
only one with creation power, so by sowing a seed
introducing sex and pro creation, the female was like God.
She could create life like God. So therefore Satan fulfilled
that promise, Ye shall be as God. So that's something
that I postulated anyway, because it's like, you know, God
was the only one creating life at that time, and
if some seeds were sown in that event, then she
was becoming like like a God, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what's funny too,
is like, uh, it's crazy because my wife just I
don't know. It came on YouTube. It was one of
these things that just kind of popped on YouTube and
we monitor obviously what we what we let our kid watch,
and the Katy Perry music video came on and I
think the song is called Roar Like a Lion or
something like that, right, and it starts off with they're
in this forest, right and they're kind of like confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wish I could play the music video, but I
definitely would get you know, hit with a copyright. But
you know, it shows you that, you know, it's her
and and her her other you know. But it looks
like Adam and Eve in the garden and the man
is like, you know, the famous one because he's like
facetiming and taking pictures and and he's kind of like
pushing her away and you know, so it's kind of
like showing you like, oh, you know, Adam was the
you know, the leader of the garden, and look look
what it looks like. Right, it's all it's all, you know,
just propaganda and all that. But uh, a tiger comes
and kills him, right, and she she inherits like you know,
the the Eden, right, and and she's like this goddess
now and she's fierce, and you could see the change,
the transformation, which the goddess too has a lot of
you know connections with you know, the Black Mandona and
all this kind of stuff and what we've pretty much
talked about too with the rituals and all that. But yeah, man,
and and I think that that's you know, I think
that that some think it's possible that that might have
gone down in the garden. Not not the music video stuff,
but but you know the idea of like trying to
flip the roles that God just established for uh, for
for his Eden, right, I mean his creation was uh,
you know, there were stewards over the creation, right, Like
you know they were they were operating creation and sustaining
it and taking care of it and all this kind
of stuff. Yeah, it's wild man. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And one thing too is you can look at you know,
it's not the exact same thing, but I think it's
correlated and it rhymes for a reason, you know, kind
of like the telephone game. Maybe things evolved after a while.
But in that story, remember there was two trees and
the other one was the tree of life. And remember
God kicked him out because he said, least the man
take of this tree and then be forever you know, corrupted.
So you had these two trees and these illusion mysteries
is supposed to you know, burn off their mortality like
we talked about earlier. Right, how many stories, legends, mythologies,
rituals revolve around that. I mean it's like it's ungodly
at the number if you go to the Vikings. The Vikings,
they had the story of this female named e Dunn
with a U instead of an E, and she is
the overseer of this orchard and there her golden apples
grew and she can only grow them. She's the only
person to get access to them. And she fed the gods.
So just like I talked about this dragon court, the women,
the dragon princesses fed the kings of her immortality flow right,
and it kept them young and give them all these powers.
So E done in the Viking Lord supplied the gods
with this this apple that kept them forever young and
youthful and smart and strong. And the way the story
goes with her was that this giant was lusting for
her and wanted her for his wife. She wouldn't give
him the time of day. So one day, while roaming
around Midguard, this giant captures Loki and convinces Loki, you
know who is another satan archetype like Inky, convinces him
to go into the garden and capture Eden and bring
her back so he could marry her and sleep with her.
And it talk about how he was just so obsessed
with her, like sexually and Loki does. He goes, he goes,
He sneaks into the garden just like that snake, and
he abducts Eden and gives her over to the giant
and then all this stuff happens, and Thor you know,
goes on this rescue and grabs her and brings her back,
but she's gone. The gods are dying. They start getting weak,
they start getting wrinkles and aids, and they're freaking out there,
like Loki, you gotta go get Eden back. We need
her apples. So here's this, you know, immortality thing given
from this woman. When you go to the Greeks, they
have the drink of the gods, this ambrosia, and it
was this koochion that they drank to keep them young
and give them immortality. Go to the oldest epic in
the world, the epica Gilgamesh. His friend dies. Then he's
scared to death. He doesn't want to die, so then
he goes on this hero's journey to try to find Aramazda,
who is Noah in their story, the guy that survived
the flood and built the boat. And he goes, you know,
through mountains and headstards of the west of the land
of the setting sun and crosses this abyss and this
island which is Eden, and finds Aramazda or whatever his
name was, I can't remember now. There's several different versions,
but that's there Noah, and he tells him that basically
the only way he can have immortality is there's this lake,
and at the bottom of the lake is this special
plant that if he ate it then it would give
him immortality. And so he goes. And you've got so
much symbolism with that. To the lady of the lake.
She was a grill maiden. You went to the lady
of the lake, and she gave you of her kooky
on and you got your immortality through her from the
lady of the lake. So Gilgamesh goes, goes to the
bottom of this lake, finds the last one, and comes back,
and I don't know if he sets it down, but
he does something like sets it down. He's distracted. A
serpent slithers up and eats the plant and steals his
immortality away from him.
Speaker 3: It's wild, dude, you know, have you heard of the
it kind of the first one that you described sounds
very similar to the Garden of Hesperities. Are you familiar
with the Garden of Hesperities right where it's like this
mythical orchard. It's in the Greek mythology, but it's supposedly
located at the western edge of the world, right, and
it's contained these golden apples that granted immortality, and you know,
we're famously guarded by nymphs and the tight napolis d
the lake. Yeah, a never sleeping serpent, right, and it
was the destination of hercules eleventh labor. It's an interesting worry,
you know. And what's interesting too is that the Garden
of Hesperities had three women. It had three women that
were like the divine feminine, you know, uh, of of
the garden. And it's like this, there's this trinity too, man,
that you know, because because you know, Satan's gonna gonna
try and counterfeit, uh, you know God. And what he's
done too is he's counterfeited the trinity in female roles
in these mythologies. One of them is I think it's
called thrice, uh Artemis. But I know you're saying, yeah, yeah,
it's something like that where Artemis has like three faces,
you know, and they actually I think there's a movie
out there that I don't know if it's coming out
or if it just came out. But it had like
this kind of like this it's like a scary horror movie,
and had this demonic any that looked like a female face,
but it had like three faces, right, it had three
faces on it. And I was like, oh, dude, that's
like the Greek mythology. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know, yeah,
you know, the divine feminine. It's it's it's it's every where, man,
it's everywhere, you know, biblically, but it's it's it's the horror, man,
it's the counterfeit that that some you know, Satan's going
to have to come to humanity and present this fruit
once again, you know. And and I think that that's
kind of what is being allegorized when the whole world's fornicating,
you know, and and and lusting off the abominations of
the horror. Right in Revelation seventeen, it's kind of like,
you know, falling falling into that same kind of idea
for me, I don't know, because it's all about uniting
with this divine feminine in some sort of way or
honoring it either or and it's like through these rituals
they show you that that there's something you have to
do that kind of like how I see it as
like an allegiance, right, It's like how to get you
into the experience. You know. It's like, for example, you
either have to drink this drink, right, you drink this
drink and you become intoxicated, or you are the the
you know, the galley of the Kabeli cult that you
have to castrate yourself and do all this stuff. And
obviously drugs were another part of that cult too, but
it's always like you're kind of sacrificing some sort of
part of yourself, you know, which is like I don't
know if it resembles that dying of the ego or
or what or you know, because I'm not an occultist,
you know, but so I don't know exactly what all
this kind of means.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean that's what it is. And you
even have it ritualistically once again with the Freemasons, you know,
once they passed the third degree. In that last ritual,
they take a sword or blunt object and strike the
initiate and they catch him. He falls to the ground
and he's dead, they do like this ceremony and then
they give him the hand and they pull him up.
He's a new man, being born again. And even in
that guy in that book there the I forgot the
name of it, the immortality key, he's not a Christian.
And so when he pointed out, you know, these cave
temples and different things they found in these buildings with
Christian iconography, but they're also finding these koochions and things
like that that uh, that basically Christian because he's not
a Christian. But he's saying that he thinks, you know,
even Christianity is another version or spin off of this,
because you know, he talks about how Jesus says, you know, uh,
you must be born of water and of spirit, just
like the illusion mysteries and the Malia scene. You go
into the water the abyss and you die and you
come out of the water resurrected a new man. You know,
with with the New Age philosophy, the christ consciousness, they're
saying that, you know, this is just another version of that.
And he makes all these comparisons to Dionysus because he
talks about Dionysus. He's the god of wine and chaos basically,
and he would drink till he becomes so intoxicated he would,
you know, get in a frenzy. And they even talked
about his followers. The women were called the minads, and
they dwelled in the wilderness and they would drink this
kookie on too, and they would be spiked with hallucinogenics
and stuff, and Homer talks about it and all these
other guys that they would drink and they would become
so messed up that they would get primal basically, and
they would chew and eat their own initiates flesh like
they might freak out, like the walk of flow of stuff.
Back in the day, people would do that bassalts and
eat other people and crazy crap like that. It would do.
That would put them in a frenzied state. But they
called that that that was what they were looking for
because when that happened and you achieved that state, that
God is duelling within you.
Speaker 3: Wow. That's like that's like similar to Kundalini, the Kundalini, uh,
you know awakening. Sometimes that would the reaction.
Speaker 4: So they would get up in that woods and drink
these drinks and do their stuff.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: But if any men stumbled across them, they would kill
them and eat them. Oh so yeah, you got all
that kind of crazy stuff would Dionysus, And like, I
can't remember exactly, I'm not real well studied on Dionysus,
but I think he was saying that Dionysus, like Jesus,
one of his first miracles, you know, he turned water
into wine, and he had disciples and all this kind
of stuff. And then he contrasted that with Jesus him
turning the water into the wine, having the disciples, and
then he has this ritual at the Last Supper, you know, uh,
take take of this and eat is my flesh to
how the Dionysians and the minads would eat flesh in
their in their frenzied state, and they would drink this
wine to get intoxicated with all these drugs. So he
was saying, you know, trying or trying to say that, yeah,
you know, there could be connections with this because it
rhymes too much. But me when I read that, I
was just like, no, it's spiritual warfare and it's God
slapping them in the face with their own game. Because
everybody was doing this at this time, right, So during
the time of Jesus, people was well familiar with Dionysus
and his rituals. He was well familiar with the illusion
mysteries and the Dragon Court, all these people doing these things.
So I think God met the people where they were,
so he kind of done similar things that was familiar
to them, but it was real. It was the real deal,
not the imitation, and kind of like a spiritual warfare
slap in the face to the enemy. I think you
see stuff like that all the time in the Bible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they crossed the.
Speaker 4: Red Sea, you know, he tells them to stop, all
of a sudden in turn and face Bale's the faun
will bail. That was the Mountain of Bail, the storm gods,
and what happens the Red Sea parts because of a
strong wind, a strong east wind. So once again spiritual warfare.
He's like, all right, uh, you know, thunder God, you know,
let me show you what's up holds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let me show you what my God can do. Right.
It's like it's like that man, you know, and it's
not like that this is like a challenge for or
anything for the Lord. It's just that he's showing you
kinda who really like has the bugles, you know, like
who really has like the ribbons, you know, and he
does it too in scripture. And it's, uh, you know
because I've I've looked in the Dionysus a little bit.
When you read where in Revelation, you know, Jesus is
coming back, right, and he's riding on a horse, and
he's coming back he's got a sword and all this.
It's funny first off that you know Jesus is coming
back on a on a horse with a sword and
all these things. It's it's it's a backhand to the Hindu,
you know, the the Hindu savior, the cal key, right,
because the kal Key rides on a horse and has
a sword. So it's kind of like God is like
backhanding Satan and his counterfeit left and right. And then
you know, as he's coming back, Jesus is treading over
the wine press, right, and I think it has a
lot to do with, you know, Dionysus. You know, he's
kind of like trampling over Dionysus because then you know,
as you go down in that verse it says that
he has king of kings, lord of lords, you know,
in his thigh, right on Jesus's thigh. Well, the story
with Dionysus, right is that you have Zeus and Simile.
They conceive Dionysus, but Zeus kills and you know, basically
just with an inferno destroys Simile. But the the you know,
the the conception was still alive, and so Zeus had
to put Dionysus in his thigh in order to you know,
just state everything and to grow Dionysus into birth Dionysus.
So it's like God's backhanding him again and going, I'm
I'm I'm the real God, you know, like I I'm
I'm the King of Kings, right, you know, Lord of
lords right, So it's it's it's cool man, you know,
picking that up.
Speaker 4: I think he does it all the time. Like Joseph
Campbell in his book The Hero of a Thousand Faces,
he showed all these dying and resurrecting gods, and I
think they call them the corn Kings because kind of
like Demeter or Persephone, they die, they go into the underworld,
but after so long they resurrect and come back. It's
just an allegory for winter and spring, told through stories
in different cultures. Telling the same cycle of weather and growing.
They just put different names and twist to it. This
is all the same thing, and they're all corn kings
dying and resurrecting, you know, gods. And he was like,
you know, Jesus is another one. But once again I
take the backhanded slap, and I use scripture to even
kind of go with it, because God meets us where
we're at, I mean time and time again. When Paul
goes to Mars Hill, there's all these you know, really
sophisticated Greeks, you know, and that they were they were
the smartest people in the world, their known world at
that time. Uh. They had all these statues, but they
had one to the unknown God. He could easily roll
up and say, get manions are stupid and are worshiping
all these false gods. There's only one real God. Get
it right, kind of like some our you know, I
guess well meaning Phariseic Christians in the world today. But
they that would have never worked. That doesn't work, never works.
You just harden the soil. That way a seed will
never take. But Paul's like, you know, hey, you Greeks
are some real smart people. You know, you got this
figured out that figured out. Man, you got all these gods,
but you got this one to the unknown God. I
know who that unknown God is, and he is the God.
Let me tell you about him. And it worked out
so great that he at the end of his talk,
they invite him back. They like, we want to hear more.
Come back. And that's a prime example of how God
treats us, I think, because yeah, you have all these dying,
resurrecting gods, because it's the fallen angels that had bits
and pieces of the story but not the full revelation.
So they come down to try to sow seeds of
deception and mimic God like they always do, trying to
thwart God's plan. And just like the Cross, they thought
that they had it licked.
Speaker 3: Son.
Speaker 4: You know when you get to the Psalms that said,
you know, the bulls of but shone gather around and
gnash their teeth at me. You know, he's talking about
these these falling sons of God from Deuteronomy thirty two
that ruled the nations. Uh, they thought they had won.
But Paul, what does he say? He said, if they
would have known by you know, doing what they'd done,
sealed their faith, they would have never killed the Lord
of Glory because he allows them to do things thinking
they're doing something good and winning. When they're shooting themselves
in the in they're on foot at the end. So
I think God allowed them. Okay, yeah, be be Dionysus
and turn water into wine and do all these things
that you know that I'm probably that I'm planning on
doing later. Okay, yeah, let Osiris do this and do that. Yeah,
all these different variations. God's like, let them and they're like, ah,
we got him. They're never gonna believe him. Everybody backfired
because everybody accepted.
Speaker 3: He's fulfilled too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was something familiar to them and it
was real right in their face, so they accepted it.
So once again something they'd done, Like scripture says, what
the devil means, you're harm, God turns for the good
of all those who love him. So I think he
allows him to do this stuff all the time. So
just because you know, I'm sorry, mister big last name
Maruski or Marusku. Uh, just because there's similarities doesn't mean
that Christ is a rip off. It's the other way around.
Speaker 3: Right, man, exactly, man, exactly, dude, this was a fun
show man, this was a good time. Yeah, I'm excited
to you know. Uh, have you at the house? And well,
you know, at the end of shows, I always try
to like plug bro Grove, It'll be August seventh and eighth.
Speaker 4: Uh, and say let me tell you this before we go.
Speaker 3: Yea yeah, yeah, yeh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Let me find it again because I found this. This
is one of the first things I searched up because
when I read the book, it stood out to me, dude,
and I remembered it forever because it ties into the Bible. Okay,
where's it at? You remember? Where did it go? That's
not yet?
Speaker 3: Where are you?
Speaker 4: Where are you coming back?
Speaker 3: Come on back? What's up? Chat? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Jeezy?
Speaker 3: What's going on? Morpheus? Good to see everybody?
Speaker 4: And speaking of Morpheus and one of those Greek tales,
that's how Morpheus dies because he stumbles upon the manads
in their hallucinogenic stupor and they tear him to pieces
and eat him.
Speaker 3: Oh man, donk good to see you. What's going on?
Rebel Mark kicking a cup, Cindy ca in a cup,
kicking a cut man. Can't go wrong with that. Shout
out everybody, thanks for tuning in tonight. Uh not not
as long as a stream as usual, But I'm gonna
go ahead and hang out and catch up on some sleep.
Got work in the morning, you know. Still, Uh well,
I'm not podcasting for a living like you know this
guy over here. I love it, manh Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was the graveyard beer.
Speaker 3: The graveyard what graveyard beer?
Speaker 4: Let me find it? I know, I copied it and
put it in here. Yeah here it is, yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: When they were doing some of their stuff, they had
found that in graveyards and like those big like cathedral
looking tombs and stuff that they had back then. Uh,
they even found those koochions and those.
Speaker 3: Let's call.
Speaker 4: Uh I guess, like try searching like graveyard beer. But
like all these, you know, they would set up with
the dead, and even like I'm writing about in my
book the Dragon Court, they practiced ancestor worship, and they
would go into the tombs because back then they built
them like with benches in them. You could sit in
there and sleep with them and commune with them. And
when they needed inspiration or like even the vikings, when
they wanted the spirits of their dead ancestors to inhabit them,
kind of like a h a poultry geist or possession.
They would do these rituals in the tombs, and sometimes
they would have to stay in there two or three
days or a week or longer to get the God
to possess them, or not the God but their ancestor
to possess them, or get the answers from the other world.
And they would drink these drinks to help them communicate
with them. And they found archaeological evidence of this, and
they called it like the graveyard beer and the graveyard wine,
and they found traces of these hallucinogenics in them. Let's see,
said he proposed progression looks something like this of this
illusion mystery thing, kind of like prehistoric funerary beer rituals,
early agricultural fertility cults, near Eastern sacred beverages, Greek mystery religions,
then the illusion kouchion and later Dionesian and potentially some
early Christian sacramental traditions. But they found the archaeological evidence
of this and writings that this is something they did.
They would go to the tombs and sit and try
and commune with their ancestors. And drink these drinks to
try to chatchanneled them and even embody them. You remember
in the Bible when Jesus crosses the lake there and
I can't remember what town he went into, but he
stumbles across the man of the tombs. He was possessed,
and they chained him down and said that he was possessed,
that he had such strength he could break the chains.
And all night long he hung out in the graves
and hooped and hollered and cut hisself and did all
this stuff that matches perfectly. So I'm like, was this
guy participating in these rites and rituals? Was he drinking
the kookions and hanging out in the graves to channel
these other worldly ancestors? And they possessed him, and Jesus
cast him out into the pigs, and he said, that's
the same one that said that I am legion, for
we are many.
Speaker 3: Ah in the swine. M hmm. I got to read
that again, huh. I got to read that again and
see that.
Speaker 4: And of course, like we talked to I think I
talked about with you. I know I talked about with
Nefflin Desk squad. But the uh, the Song of Solomon.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I remember he.
Speaker 4: Feeds among the lilies until the break of day. And
then her hand in the spice jar and her fingers
dripped with sticky mirth as she smeared. Her lover smeared
the sticky mirth on the handle of her door, and
her bowels were moved for him, and she allowed him
to taste of her pomegranate. That I swear, there ain't
no way around it, dude, After I've read what I've
read and studied what I've studied, Solomon, that was his
harem of his dragon princesses he had gathered from around
the world to do these rituals with. And that's what's
being talked about in that Psalm.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man. I I gotta go back. I got
to read the psalm. Man, I got to read the Psalms,
and uh, you know it's it's it's wild because when
you look at you know, Revelations seventeen, you look at
the horror like you know, her cup is filled with
the blood of the saints. You know, it's not like
it's I know, we're talking about this ritual the whole time,
and a mixture of honey barley water, we eat whatever,
and it makes this concoction of this acid trip. But uh,
you know, why blood? You know, like why why the
blood of the saints? You know, I know it's all
allegory and all this kind of stuff and it could
be speculated upon, but it's it's.
Speaker 4: You know, little. I mean, they keep how many times
did he say in the Bible? Do not drink the blood?
The life forces in the blood, you know, because that's
what they were doing. It's part of these these rituals.
Speaker 3: I think that's crazy. Man. Golly dude, it's wild. Man.
These cults are wild. Man, They're wild, dude.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be like a major theme too in
the book that I'm working on.
Speaker 3: So what a trump man. Yeah, work in the audience,
check out your stuff and work in the uh you know, uh,
you got a book out there right now and all
that kind of stuff. Man.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I appreciate.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you guys like this kind of stuff, I dig
into this stuff on my channel, uh, the Prometheus Lens podcast.
Find me anywhere, man, you can consume this fine content. Apple, Spotify, Spreaker, YouTube,
all the things. Same thing with the social media's and
my website is Prometheus Lens podcast dot com. You can
get a copy of my book, The Epic of Esau,
The birth Right and Seed War gets you a signed
copy with some stickers there and knee deep in my
second book, The Tale of Two Trees Chasing the Dragon.
It's about the Serpent seed and the Dragon Court, the
ones with the divine right to rule and their practices
and rituals with the drinking of the blood and stuff
that we've talked about today, So be on the lookout
for that. I'm hoping to have that done by bro
Grove that way because I got a table, so I'm
hoping to have it done that way. I'll have a
new book to get rid of at the conference there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and that's gonna be that's gonna be fun, man.
I got I took that weekend off, so I'll have
like five days off man, and I'll be able to
chew with you guys. Maybe we could do some you
know activities right go to the beach or something. It'll
be fun, man. But appreciate you man for your time
and uh uh, you know we'll we'll get together again.
You know, you gotta help me set this place up
so that we can do a in studio, a breakdown,
you know, a debrief or whatever of our of our
time at bro Groth. Be fun.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I never travel without my camera.
I'll have it. We'll have multiple angles.
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