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dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect

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is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow

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Speaker 2: As you talking about extreme.

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Speaker 3: Ledge, we will.

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Speaker 4: Guilty from the supper.

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Speaker 2: They don't fear the questions.

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Speaker 3: They fear the.

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Speaker 2: So we see, they come, thank you. They erasy. But

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Speaker 3: Show. What all right, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to

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the show the Biblical hit Men. Folks. My name is

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Steven and you're you're a glorious host for tonight, and

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we're going to get into something interesting. Something I'm I mean,

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I'm not really quitely familiar with just getting into it,

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researching it, and I think it may contribute to some

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interesting stuff biblically right through allegory and all this kind

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of stuff. I got my boy Doc Brown in the house.

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What is that, brother, It's good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, disturble Man and his underwear TV watching time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, man, It's so funny.

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I'll just calling to say what's up, and I was like, oh, dude,

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this is right up your alley. You know, the topic

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tonight is the how do you say this? Yeah, Lucinian, right,

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mysteries illusion a something like that. I don't know, and

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maybe it's spelt roll, you're right, and uh you know

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you're you're right in a second book and uh, you

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know it might be right up this kind of alley

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because it all kind of connects to the divine feminine. Uh,

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you know, the horror of babylon revelation is described holding

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a cup and this is a ritual of some sort

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of enlightenment, a death and rebirth with with with the

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ritual and the cup and drinking. Certain you know this

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this this drug or chemical that maybe gets created with

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the concoction of of multiple things. Uh inside of it man.

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But uh, for the people watching that may not be

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familiar with your work, man, you're a podcaster, you're an author,

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you're a researcher. Let them know where they can find you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate. But yeah, you like this kind of stuff, man,

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maybe I be up your alley if you like a

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little Southern twang. But yeah, my show is called The

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Prometheus Lands podcast. Uh. Anywhere you can consume content, you

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Speaker 3: Nice. Man, I'm excited to see you soon. We're gonna

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hang out soon, man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we got a date coming.

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Speaker 3: We do we do, man, real quick. There's some static

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like coming from your your mic? Is it the right input?

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Sometimes stream Yard will like change it on you or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Uh, check with the chat because every time I

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do stream Yard, people tell me they hear that when

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I talk, but it hasn't never came through the actual recording.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, well yeah, let me what's up.

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We're live. Yeah, you know, I don't even know really

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where to start with uh with the topic, but you know,

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you you've put some time into into this man, where

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where do you think the conversation should should begin?

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Speaker 4: I guess uh, if he is wanting to look into this.

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Two great resources that I had read and listened to

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the audio books was the The Road to a Lusis

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and uh the Immortality Key. Uh. Let me look here.

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I got the book, or at least one of them

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Speaker 4: It's by Brian and I want to butcher this last name,

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uh Mi Resca, I'm a rescue but uh and the

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other guy, I didn't even grab the book. But uh,

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those two books is kind of how I stumbled into

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this subject matter. But basically, I think I heard a

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podcast and these two guys were on and they were

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talking about this illusion mysteries, and that there was this

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drink that they would drink and these rituals that they

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would do, these elites and everything, and it was this

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big seecret that Plato and all these famous people, Marcus

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Aurelius and all these people Homer. They all talked about

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these rituals and stuff that they would do, but it

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was so secretive that nothing was written down. All you

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of what you hear hinted out through Plato and Homer

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and some of these guys. That's the only kind of

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hint that you get. And but one of the promises

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and to practice the art of living, you must first

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have practice the art of dying. That way you didn't

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fear death. But they don't really even know where or

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when this all started, because they have the illusion mysteries

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being quoted, like like I said, in Odysseus's story with

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the Odyssey, and then you get it again with the Iliad.

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home and lands on this island with the Searcy. The

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witch and all of her nymphs were there, and they

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Iliad with Homer and Jason and the Argonauts that Medea

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she's another witch. She makes this concoction for Jason to

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drink before he goes to sow the dragon's teeth. So

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you have hints of these these drinks and these immortality

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seeking psychedelic type drinks and stuff way way back, and

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then it kind of comes through Demeter. So some people's

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even argued that because Demeter is the goddess that kicked

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that maybe you know, this is much much older, but

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maybe even some of these other stories and rituals and

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traditions influenced the story of Demeter. But yeah, this is

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something that it's it's our kane in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I you know, I even think it goes

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back way before you know the time of you know,

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this happen in near Athens and all this. I say

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that because it's funny. There's a like. According to the

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by Cyrus the Great, and according to his documentations, you know,

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this was like, you know, something that was as big

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that could hold like twelve hundred pounds, right, you know,

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like it weighed fifteen talents like it was. It was.

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the horror of Babylon holding that cup and we see that,

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you know what, she's drunk off the blood of the

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saints and all this kind of stuff. And so something's

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happening there allegorically, and I know that these ancient practices

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and rituals kind of have something to do with it,

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or at least we can maybe cherry pick certain ideas

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to maybe formulate an opinion of what it'll look like

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in the future. You know, it's like, like, what does

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what does this all this mean? You know, they're it's

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representing eternal life in some sort of way, right, It's

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like that it's it's the great work in the cup,

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you know pretty much. And there's this death and rebirth

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process and uh, you know they probably reached like this

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you would you say that that's the whole point of

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the ritual is to reach that or or has something

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Speaker 4: I think it is, and I think it's just it

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meant different things verbiage wise, to different cultures and different people.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, it goes back to Medea uh Sears uh

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and the Black Caucus Mountains and this is where the

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Tuatha de Danu originally stem from the Scythian bloodlines and uh,

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something I've been talking about and heavily researching because of

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my book. Uh. These bloodlines say they are of the

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Dragon Court. They go all the way back to the

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Ananaki gods. There are a sub human race born and

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bred to rule over humanity because we're dumb. And you know,

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they're the bread leaders and so they have the divine

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right to rule. And they had these rituals and then

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involve these kookions and these drinks. But there was blood mixer.

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Speaker 3: And real quick, what's the cookie to tell people what

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the kooki on is? Like? What that is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let me back up and go right here

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real quick. Let's see.

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Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't interrupt you.

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Speaker 4: No, no, you're good. It's a good point.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know historical origins, you know, the my s In

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period that some of them say at sixteen hundred to

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eleven hundred BC.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: But excavations at Lucis uncovered my sin buildings and evidence

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of ritual activity during the period. Uh. But it has

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thousand BC. But where was it at They talked of

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the themes fit with death of grain. Now this is Demeter,

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the fertility goddess, burial in the earth, rebirth and spring,

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seasonal renewal, sacred kingship, all these type things. But I

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was trying to find it. But they've done some excavations

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and they found these drinks, these bowls, these chalices like

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you had mentioned, and they scraped the inside of them

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and done testing on them, and they found and each

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one of them is a little different. But there are

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all these these concoctions for these rituals. And they found opium, poppy,

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other you know, they say that my scira mushrooms, all

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these different psychedelic stuff mixed into the wine. And I

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think this is what the Bible was talking about when

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it talked about you know, don't participate in strong drink

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because Jesus, I mean, hell, his first miracle turned water

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into wine. So and it says he done that so

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the celebration could continue. I mean they had water, so

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have just drunk the water. They're thirsty. No, they wanted

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to celebrate, and Jesus drank wine the last summer. He

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wasn't condemning drinking wine. He done it. But I think

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when you hear that that strong drink, that's these drinks

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that we're talking about today. I think that's what they

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were alluding to. But they had found with Demeter that

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they give a list of some of the things that

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was in the drink and grain was in their barley,

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honey and some other things. But what they had found

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in that science testing that they found that it was

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high traces of ergot in there. So basically, once it's

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set out so long that the barley and grain would

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ferment and start growing a fungus. So they're saying they

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don't know if this was intentional or maybe an accident,

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and then they learned how to replicate it. But either way,

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this ear got or ir got fermented the wine and

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the beer and give a hallucinogenic effect. And so the

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Kuchion is this drink. And so you see this in

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uh many cultures throughout you know, different religions, and some

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people even say that the Christian you know Grail, the

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drinking of the the wine at the uh what do

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you call that? The Lord's Supper is a Christian Eucharist.

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It's Christianity mimicking something that the Pagans were doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild, right, Like, so when you would when

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I guess when they mix together this concoction of multiple ingredients,

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when it would develop either this fungus or it would

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develop you know, psychedelic chemicals, right, and then they would

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go into this trip. Now one thing too I read

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that was interesting is they would make this trip I

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think on foot, and they would walk to the destination

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of kind of like where this you know, Bohemian Grove

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what this was, right, It was a group of people

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that we're sharing philosophies with each other and doing d

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MT trips and you know, going into probably meditation and

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other occult practices and stuff. You know, they they would

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get there and they would fast, so they wouldn't eat

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and then they would do this. So it's very similar.

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of it. They tell them when you get there, you're

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supposed to fast for so many hours. That way, when

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you drink their drink, it's like drinking alcohol and empty stomach,

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it hits you twice as hard. So that's what they've done.

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you know, revelation or spirit journey. So yeah, a lot

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of that stuff I think today is echoes of those

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ancient things. Oh but I found that thing, the kki.

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you know, they don't list everything because it's the mystery school,

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but they give you like the basis of it in

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some of his writings, and it says that it consisted

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of barley, water and mint, and it said on its

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face it sounds harmless. However, several researchers done the ear

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got testing and found that and Carl p Ruck was

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one of those, and he was the one that got

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kind of well researched, you know, book on this subject,

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The Road to Eleusis. And he said that he actually

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and drugs had such a negative connotation to it, he said,

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new word for it, he said, because it wasn't taking

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drugs to just be a burnout, you know. He said,

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it had a spiritual purpose to it, you know, a

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religious purpose to it. So he come up with the

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and coined the term antigen, which is two Greek root

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the anthigen, God within. So by taking these drinks, you

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are consuming the God, you're bringing, you're channeling the spirit

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inside to you as a conduit to do their beating basically.

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this is this is crazy, man. What else you got

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on on the Kikion or whatever. So they would they

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would drink this, and I'm assuming they're going into the

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astral realm or they're locking themselves up or in sensory deprivation,

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like I think they had these ideas and they're going

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and it's like they're going into these higher realms. This

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is what they're they're saying. They're going to these higher realms,

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they're communicating with these entities, they're getting wisdom, and they're

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coming back. They come back and they all kind of

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just chit chat with each other and they have conversation

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and they share ideas of their trips with each other,

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and they come up with the philosophies that they were

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well known for that have influenced the Western world like tremendously,

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which is wild when you think of that.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, and that's what they were doing, man.

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And the thing was too is even with the the

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the Dragon Court, you know their drinking, you know there's

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there's blood and vaginal secretions mixed in, but they even

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talk about taking it to commune with the other world.

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psychedelics and stuff mixed in there. Also, you know. But

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let's see I had mentioned it earlier the the Homer

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book ten seriously with the sweet wine potion. We see

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it there. And another thing is, like you'd mentioned the

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the Mythrick religion, you know, their initiations, like you'd mentioned,

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they go into this cave, this cold dark and they

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go through these nine stages, which is supposed to be

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in the nine realms or spears, you know. Uh. And

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it is a death and rebirth ritual. And they drunk

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these drinks there too, because it enhanced the the feeling,

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the experience, you know what I mean, you're really submerged

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in it. And uh, you have this with this dragon

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court also, but they do it in allegory, like when

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you hear about mail You scene, Mail You scene was

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this dragon princess and she's depicted a lot of times

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as like a mermaid, you know, scaled from the waist

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down depicting her you know, dragonstics.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, right, I get what you're saying, because I

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can see it all throughout some different iconographis yeah.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And so she had the maze and at

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the center of the maze was the well with the

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living waters, right, and they said there was this black

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cube that the water come from, and when you get

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in there, when you made it to the center and

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found her, she would embrace you. But a lot of people,

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it's fifty to fifty, some would die, some would come

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out reborn a new man. And that's the same concept here,

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because it's death and resurrection of the new man. And

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they say, basically it's alchemical in nature, that the death

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is symbolic. It's the death of the ego, the death

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of the self and elevating to what the New Age

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people now call the christ consciousness. And that's what these

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people were experiencing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's this. There's a name for the cave ritual

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or the or the myth behind it or whatever, like,

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there's a name for it. I found it. I just

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can't trying to look it up. I think it starts

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with a pe or something. It was a lot anyway,

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or per serophones into scent or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, persephone. That's a whole different myth, but that's tied.

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Speaker 3: To demean It's very similar, right, because almost.

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Speaker 4: In here, let me see, let me find it. I'll

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go to it because I put it in here because

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I knew that that.

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Speaker 3: Was Uh, it's links to this, like.

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Speaker 4: It's the far As the illusion mysteries. Now, uh, she's

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directly connected to it. And basically I'm trying to find

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it in my notes, but uh, okay, here it is.

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Speaker 3: Uh let me see. I'm okay.

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Speaker 4: So basically the way the story goes is Demeter, she's

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a fertility god. Her daughter is Persephone, and the legend

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you know, Hades gives her the the pomegranate seed and

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she goes into the underworld and she's trapped. Demeter's lost

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or forever, and so she doesn't bring the rain, she

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doesn't bring the sun. All the people are struggling, praying,

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and she's not answering because she's so just distraught looking

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for her daughter. So the gods get together and barter

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her with Hades and says, okay, you can have her

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half the year, but the other half the year, you

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gotta let her come back to her mom because her

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mom's destraught. The crops are not growing, the humans are relentless,

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crying and praying to us every night. We got to

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do something. So that's how you get this death you know,

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of winter and then spring coming back when Persephone rises

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out of hates and rejoins Demeter and the meters happy again,

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and so she brings the rain and stuff. But in

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that legend, it talks about her going from town to

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town looking and can't find her. And this is how

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this whole thing gets started in Eleusis. She makes it

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to the city of Eleusis looking for her daughter, and

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at that point she finally, like you know, gives up.

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she's gonna, like, you know, fade away from godhood or

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you know, goddess hood, and she's just gonna be a

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normal person. She's done, and she finds a king and

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queen and lives with them. They had a newborn son,

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and so she applies for a job as like the

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nurse basically of the newborn child, and she looks after

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the child and she takes a liking to it, and

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she doesn't want the child to die. So she starts

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doing these rituals to this baby at night while everybody's asleep,

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and it describes it as like a flame. She holds

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this baby over a flame, but it doesn't burn. And

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she does this every night, and she's supposed to do

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it for so many nights, you know, for it to

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be complete. But one night, the mother of the child

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wakes up and wants to check on her baby and

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walks in and catches her in full Godess form holding

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this baby over flames like she's burning it and freaks

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out and she runs in and screams and starts smacking,

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you know, demeters like oh no, put him down, and

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interrupts the ritual and the flame goes out and demeet her,

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you know, basically tells her off. She's like, he's going

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to die now. I was doing this for him. I

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was burning off his you know, mortality basically, but now

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he's going to die because of you and ah as

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like her penance, she commanded that everyone was to you know,

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go to this direct a temple for her and make

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this beer and do this festival every single year. So

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she's passing that ritual that she was trying to do

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to the kid to the people. And that is how

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the whole you know, Road to elusis the illusion Mystery

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School's got started, was off of that whole myth there.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, man. It sounds so much like, uh, you know,

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the myth behind Cabell the Orseybelle and Addis in the

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Anatolian Phrygian you know culture. But because it's it's the

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whole kind of time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what what's that one about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like the myth of Kabellian Addis is like

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this ancient right tale of tragic love and divine madness

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and rebirth, and it's like deeply rooted in cycle seasons

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pretty much kind of like what what is passed on

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throughout other cultures, like you just got talking to that's

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crazy how it's connected to this. But but Cabelli is

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like the mother goddess and Addis is her son slash

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consort that she has the ability to, uh you know,

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rebirth over and over and over again. You know, Addis

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gets jealous at Cabelli and ends up you know, uh

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killing himself right and and castrating himself. And that's a

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big thing too. That's kind of connected to these mythologies,

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you know, the the Osiris myth, right, you know, the

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fallusk was missing, there's you know, uh, the castration of

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Addis in the in the Cabelli cults. It's like it's

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it's interesting and and the the priests, the the initiates

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who became priests. In order to get into the cult,

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you had to castrate yourself. You had to do what

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Addis did right, right, Yeah, And you know what's crazy

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is uh it's like, I mean, how could how could

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you even put I don't these people are wild, but

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you know what they're doing, right, Like they're taking these

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drugs as well, right, and they're having these serious experiences

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and and and mind altering you know, emotional trips, and

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they're they're coming back and they're like, uh uh yeah,

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this is what we have to do to to you know, uh,

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stay in tune, you know, with this, with this phenomenon

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that they're in touch with. Then then they're probably going

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to go to pretty great extents of whatever. And they

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would castrate themselves and throw the piece on black fertile soil,

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which the black fertile soil is representing that that mother goddess,

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you know, that that fertility right where then they would

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bury it and it would regrow and help the crops

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regenerate for that for that next season. And it's just

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very interesting that you know, these priests they were named

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the Galli or whatever, right, So there's like also like

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a transgender kind of hidden characteristic in some of the

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some of that too, right, it's like your your and

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and it was male initiates that were becoming like females, right,

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So it's like something to that too. You know, it's

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like you're becoming one with this goddess in some sort

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of way where you're you're so balanced that you know,

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you you you, you end up bringing in that feminine

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sight of your you know that may dominate over your

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masculine side, and then you're you're one with this this goddess.

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I don't know, I don't know, not sure exactly what

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they get out of this, right, like, but but it.

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Speaker 4: Has something they're telling them. You know, hey, you're going

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to do this ritual. You're practicing the art of dying.

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We're going to burn off your immortality. Because if you

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think about humanity, our number one fear is is death.

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I mean it is even if you got Christ. I

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mean that's a scary thing. We can be tough and say,

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you know, oh I know where I'm going, I'm good,

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but deep down we all have that. And and even

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me speaking from personal experience, you know, I just turned

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uh well and I'm forty one now, but when I

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turned forty, I don't know, dude. It's like my mind

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switched to a different mode. It's like, oh my god,

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if the best case scenario, half my life's over right now?

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You know, what, what have I done with my life?

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Have I left a legacy? It's people going to remember

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me when I'm gone? Or have I been a good

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father of I taught my kids everything they need to

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know to be you know, good contributors to society and

469
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,279
image bearers of God, you know, and things like that.

470
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,359
I anyway, really started thinking about my mortality at forty.

471
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,240
So when you go and they're promising you, you remember

472
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,240
the promise. It said those who come to a loosis

473
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,160
never die. That's what they told you. So you went,

474
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,880
you paid this money, you went through this ritual, you

475
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,960
drunk this drink, and you know, I mean, we don't

476
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,960
know exactly what happens, but we know, you know, psychedelic

477
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,680
trips they go into this you know, upside down world,

478
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,160
mechanical lelves and whatever else, and they experience these entities

479
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,160
and some of them talk about how much love and

480
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,759
light they have, you know, and all this kind of stuff.

481
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,000
And then when they sober up and come out of

482
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,319
their ortel, they're like that wasn't scary at all.

483
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:57,319
Speaker 3: That was beautiful.

484
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's the other side, right, I don't

485
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,480
fear death anymore. That's beautiful. I get to be there

486
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:08,960
all the time when I die, that's what's next. I'm

487
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,480
no longer afraid of death, you know. So that was

488
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,359
the kind of the the thinking of the of the

489
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,400
people of the time, and I think why it was

490
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,559
so attractive to them.

491
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,119
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And it's crazy too. I think Plato wrote

492
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,759
something on that after his initiations and his experiences with

493
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:32,839
with this this you know, mystery cult, that that his

494
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,720
view on death was completely different his view and a

495
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:38,680
lot of other people, right, Like there were even like

496
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,839
Roman emperors that were a part of this too, Like

497
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,079
the network of it was about it.

498
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: He was the philosopher king, you know what I mean.

499
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: Geez, yeah, like like this this was probably more popular

500
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,039
than as secretive as maybe we think. I don't know,

501
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,559
maybe amongst like the the higher ups, you know, they

502
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:04,000
knew about it or whatever. This and that you know,

503
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:12,119
if if nothing has changed under the sun, right, it's

504
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,160
either these things are still happening, these things are still

505
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,200
going on, or it's it's you know, there's there's a

506
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,960
different optical version of it, right like okay, yeah, yeah,

507
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,799
that's a good, good point. Yeah yeah. A lot of

508
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,559
things coming out of that, a lot of rituals, a

509
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:33,759
lot of evil, right intent, eternal life, all of this

510
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,599
kind of stuff. It's and as we're approaching artificial intelligence,

511
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,079
I can only think that maybe the I think the

512
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:47,680
Harlot has everything to do with artificial intelligence if if

513
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,039
this thing ever does become sentient enough or it hits

514
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,480
you know, super intelligence, Like, what's that really going to

515
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,160
look like? Are we gonna is the divine feminine the

516
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,759
godes is going to be portrayed through artificial intelligence? And

517
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,640
is artificial intelligence going to offer you know, eternal life

518
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:11,880
down down the road? I don't know. I'm trying to

519
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,359
think because in Revelation seventeen, right, which what we're talking

520
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,319
about has a huge connection to Revelation seventeen. It's the

521
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,279
Bible is full of authority over these myths. But the

522
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,759
thing is is that what John is describing is something

523
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,640
so similar right to the allegorical, to the imagery and

524
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,960
the things that we're talking about and the whole you know,

525
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,440
this this harlet sits on many waters it's a city

526
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:41,599
number one, but it's it's the world's functioning with it

527
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640
in such a way to where I'm like, artificial intelligence

528
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,720
could probably fit into that category. Right. How how everyone's

529
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,680
going to use it? You know, you you've got your show.

530
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,079
Speaker 4: Uh, those who will be afraid of what it said

531
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,480
that they would seek death and would not find it. Sure, yeah,

532
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,319
they finally do get it, you know what I mean.

533
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:07,039
And like you talked about the horror of Babylon h

534
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,880
with the stuff I was looking at, you know, like

535
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,640
it with malusine and the divine you know, feminine and

536
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,599
these dragon princesses that gave their blood and secretions and

537
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,839
when they dreank that they would go to the other world, right,

538
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,839
and then they'd come back a new man with like

539
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,359
the spirit of their ancestors inside of them, and then

540
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,960
they were sovereign. They had the I mean that was

541
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:34,240
kind of like a the they said. The chemicals and

542
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,079
stuff in it, AH had high doses of melatonin and

543
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:41,160
other things like that. You know, they's supposed to help

544
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,799
your health and help you live longer, rejuvenate, to help

545
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,359
you know, cognitive skills, and maybe give the side of

546
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,079
foresight and all this other kind of stuff. At the

547
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,240
same time, it was a symbolic christening or crowning. It

548
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,799
was a Christos event, you know, christing, you know, anointing

549
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:05,640
this person as the high king. And with her, you know,

550
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,920
it's always the woman. That's the matriarchal society. They picked

551
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,119
a line of succession and who's going to be next,

552
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:17,760
and they're the ones providing this elixir of immortality. And

553
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,840
I think that's who that Horror Babylon is. And it

554
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,000
says that she's writing this dragon. And I think I've

555
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,039
mentioned this to you before, but like vlad dim Paler,

556
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,639
it says outright and that he was of the dragon

557
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,559
court and he went to the Solomonic uh you know

558
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,360
Harry Potter, Hogwarts mystery schools, and only the select few

559
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:47,079
from these bloodlines got to go. But once you graduated,

560
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,119
it said that you would have said to have ridden

561
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,840
the dragon. And when I read that, I was like,

562
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,559
oh my god, that's the Horror Babylon because she's you

563
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,199
know this, she's like seriously, she's this wit and she

564
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,920
has this dragon she's writing on. So here's this dragon

565
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,719
princess writing the dragon, showing you she's initiated in all

566
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,079
the mysteries, and then that goblet, you know, it says that,

567
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,760
you know, it's like you said, she's drunk off the

568
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,480
blood of the saints. And then it says that inside

569
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:25,960
of her cup. In some English translations it says that's

570
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,599
full of her abominations. But when you get into the

571
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:34,719
original language, the Greek, the Greek says her pornea. So

572
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,920
think about the Christian and during this time that was

573
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,199
witnessing these illusion mystery schools, these dragon princess rituals and

574
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,039
things like that that would definitely be pornaic in their eyes.

575
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:54,639
And so here's this this koochion full of her pornea

576
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:58,400
because of the sexual stuff tied to some of the

577
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,280
chemicals in that drink, and she's writing the mystery school Dragon.

578
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:04,920
I think that's what they're talking about, because I was

579
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,559
trying to find it while you were talking, but I

580
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,280
cannot find it. I had dates, because it's talked about

581
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:13,480
this went on all the way up to don't quote

582
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:20,199
beyond the date, but around three seventy something, So think

583
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,199
about that. You had the Counsel of Nicia in three

584
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,840
twenty five, So whil though they were debating, you know,

585
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,199
cutting out the Gnostic texts and stuff to make their cannon.

586
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,280
This was still going on. The road to Eleusis was

587
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,159
still going on, and all this stuff was happening right

588
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,039
in front of them.

589
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: What a crazy time could you imagine like being in

590
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,360
those times?

591
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 4: How about?

592
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: Right? Like, I wonder what it was really like because

593
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,400
I think people back in that time were way more

594
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,039
familiar with Like, for example, if you were a Christian

595
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,199
back in that day, you would be more familiar in

596
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,760
that time. If the pagan stuff that was going on

597
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,480
right like there wasn't like all these I guess distractions,

598
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,840
you know, our cell phones, entertainment, this and that, which

599
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,039
which normal people talk about every day, right like on

600
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:18,119
their break or this what on the cell phone? This that, Like,

601
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:21,440
the people back then were probably talking about these things

602
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,320
going on or you know, there was you know, there's

603
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,480
probably people back in that day like having their own

604
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,840
tinfoil hat on talking about these these people they're getting

605
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,760
together and they're drinking this drink and they're doing this

606
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,159
and they're connecting with you know, the gods or the entities,

607
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,679
the fallen angels whatever this that. It's just funny, man,

608
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,960
how really nothing has changed kind of under the sun,

609
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:44,360
you know, we're we're doing the same.

610
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,599
Speaker 4: Thing to factory. To them, you know what I mean, right,

611
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,480
they were desensitized to it. It was their normal. To us,

612
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,679
it's like, oh my god, that's so crazy. But it

613
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,039
was happening all the time, all around them. And like

614
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:57,519
I said, I wish man, we need to do this

615
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:03,360
show again. But after uh I can get my craft together. Uh,

616
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,840
because there's so much stuff that I'm just remembering bits

617
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,599
and pieces of it, but I can't remember all of it,

618
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,920
you know what I'm saying, that the juicy stuff, but

619
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,800
I remember in the Immortality key, he said that he

620
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,880
even found the archaeologists have found caves through Anatolia, and

621
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,360
that in the caves is all kinds of Christian iconography

622
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,679
and benches, and there's paintings of Jesus on the chriss

623
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,920
and Mary Magdalene and all this stuff. And they found

624
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:39,039
these kochions and these containers even in those facilities testing

625
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,559
with these psychedelics. He said, this is showing He said

626
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:49,639
that you know, the early Christians were even partaken in

627
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,280
this and doing this. And what he says is basically

628
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,840
that you know, before the Council of Niciah, that Christianity

629
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,159
you know, of course she had a mixed bag, just

630
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,719
like you do today, but a lot of it was

631
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,440
more heavily what we would call New Age or Gnostic leaning.

632
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:12,039
They were going in these caves and drinking the kookyons

633
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,599
to experience God, and they were these are the wolves

634
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,440
in sheep clothing that Paul talks about. They were infiltrating

635
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,719
the church and saying, oh, they're talking about, you know,

636
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,639
Moses having visions and experiencing God, and Jacob wrestling with

637
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,320
the Angel of the Lord. And you hear, you know,

638
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,880
you read and hear about all this great stuff, but

639
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,599
you're not experiencing it, are you, Because they got it wrong.

640
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,360
They're not doing everything they need to do. Come over

641
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,719
here to our little house church or this cave church

642
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,880
we got and you can really experience God for yourself.

643
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,440
And they were doing it and drinking it and having

644
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,639
these visions and stuff. And that's why the water was

645
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,960
so muddy. That's why the Council of Nicia had to happen,

646
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,920
because all that stuff was going on at the time.

647
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy, you know. It's like, so you said

648
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:01,239
that in those caves they would have drawings of Mary Magdalen, right,

649
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,599
So that's like a divine feminine. It rolls into the

650
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,639
gnostic thing that you were talking about, and it's like

651
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:11,039
in our day today. Uh. And you said, like, right,

652
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:15,360
these were like Gnostic Christians in this area, you know,

653
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,880
like Chris Bledsoe, you know, he's like a Gnostic Christian

654
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,280
today and he's talking about the lady. Right. So it's

655
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,559
like it's it's happening kind of still, right, It's it's

656
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:31,039
never gone away. Mystery always is repeating itself. It's I

657
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:36,480
think it's secular, right, Uh. And it's fascinating man, that

658
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,119
that's that's there is always this connection with that realm

659
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,480
when you do access that realm with these drugs, uh,

660
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,079
with with the divine feminine, you know. And I think

661
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:50,840
it has a lot to do with the powers of Satan, right.

662
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,159
I think I think that he's like, why does why

663
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,119
is there a personification of a few email that that

664
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,440
Satan is is giving off? Like why is Satan giving

665
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,679
off this this divine femine? Why do you think that?

666
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,039
You know? Because what I'm saying is there's a direct

667
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:14,800
connection with Lucifer and also the divine feminine, with the

668
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,719
you know, being the son of the Morning, the morning

669
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,960
Star ish Tar YadA, YadA, YadA. You know there's always

670
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,159
this duality to him. Why do you think he's kind

671
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:27,320
of always appeared. Do you think it's like a freedom thing,

672
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,800
like a liberating like a motherly thing.

673
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,639
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I think so. And it could be

674
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,159
like you know the Baphomet, how they depicted as androgynous.

675
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,199
You know, it's both sexes, and everybody talks about you know,

676
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,519
LGBTQ and all this kind of stuff. It's like nothing

677
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,480
news under the sun. Like you had mentioned earlier, there

678
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,639
was all kinds of eunuchs cutting out their testicles and

679
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:53,199
you know, becoming transgender. Back then, a Nana was mentioned

680
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:58,400
in the ancient Sumerian texts Uh being adrogynist too. He

681
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:02,480
said that she was a a woman in the streets

682
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:06,360
or the bedroom, and then she was a man in

683
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,639
the lhouse. So you kind of have that duality again there.

684
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:17,280
But one thing I think too is Satan. Of course,

685
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,880
I mean, all cars on the table, I'm a serpent

686
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,599
seed guy. I know, not everybody's like that, but Satan

687
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:28,920
in the garden, he goes after Eve right and tries,

688
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:33,440
in my interpretation, you know, sows some seed there. So

689
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,800
he had some sexual desires. And there's all kinds of

690
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,119
other texts that you allude to that and talk about

691
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:41,559
that too. Uh So, I think sex was like the

692
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:47,039
original sin, and Satan got to see firsthand how much

693
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,719
control the the what the woman has between her legs,

694
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,760
how much control that that has over men and sway

695
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,280
it has over men. I mean she influenced you know,

696
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,639
Adam to do that. He knew he was supposed to

697
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:09,400
partake of the tree, right, God told him firsthand. But

698
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,280
he sees Eve do it, and he chooses to do

699
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,880
it anyway, because you know women do they have a

700
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,519
pool and a sway over a man, and all the

701
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:23,039
sexual stuff you hear about Genesis six. So I think

702
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,400
you know, Satan, he likes power, he likes influence, and

703
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,280
he knows that he can wield that through through women.

704
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,039
And if you have these divine feminines and all these

705
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,119
rituals and stuff with you know, temple prostitutes bringing in

706
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,719
the men, offering them sex with the goddess, you know,

707
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,159
and on all these things, Oh worship me with this

708
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,880
pleasurable thing for you. I mean that to most you know,

709
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,760
earthly men, that sounds pretty good. So I think that's

710
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,039
by design.

711
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to new Path forty four. Forty four,

712
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,239
thank you for the super chat says thanks for the information,

713
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:13,519
brothers much love man, Thank you appreciate that. SI. That's awesome,

714
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,000
you know, because.

715
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,639
Speaker 4: I want to take a breath while I was laughing, I.

716
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,119
Speaker 3: Oh, that one got so sorry. Oh that was good.

717
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,920
Thank you for that, you know, because it's like in

718
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,000
Revelation seventeen, you know, the Kings are you know, uh,

719
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:38,880
fornicating with with with the whore. Right. It's and it's

720
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,840
almost like this horror Babylon does kind of have this

721
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:49,880
presence of either being a religion or or being a god. Right.

722
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,199
And I say that because when I read Daniel chapter eleven,

723
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,519
verse thirty eight, and it says that the anti Christ

724
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,639
honors the God of forces, you know, they you know

725
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:06,800
that the Antichrist is honoring a god, you know, and

726
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,679
it could be in a similar way, kind of like

727
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:14,079
a counterfeit way, right of how Jesus was honoring the Father,

728
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,159
and how Jesus was you know, had a connection with

729
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:21,039
with the Father obviously, right, you know, we pray to

730
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,920
the Father and these things. Right, So it's like it's

731
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:28,719
like that this anti Christ figure may have in some

732
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,000
sort of way of connection with this goddess in whatever

733
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,400
way it's going to look like, you know. I mean

734
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,840
today it's being talked about as you know, these orbs

735
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,079
of light, right, or a phenomenon that people are getting

736
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:44,400
in contact with in the astral or the you know whatever,

737
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,480
the acastic record, whatever this place is called. So it

738
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:53,159
and that's what I'm seeing culturally, I'm seeing it moving

739
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:59,639
towards I'm seeing like what's known as like the rise

740
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,239
of the vine feminist. You know. It's like even even

741
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,199
in a lot of movies. There's a movie that's coming

742
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,159
out with Sandra Bullock and the blonde haired lady that

743
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,079
was in Eyes Wide Shut, what's her name? Forget her name,

744
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,559
but it's called Magic, and it's about these two women

745
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:19,480
that are like best friends. And I haven't seen the movie,

746
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:21,400
but I don't know if they're like in a relationship

747
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,920
or not, but they're they're they're witches, right, They're witches

748
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,119
that are performing magical rituals and stuff. And it's really

749
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,920
it's I'm gonna probably end up going to go to

750
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,199
see it just to kind of maybe try and you know,

751
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,280
cipher as much as I can, but you know, Isis

752
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,280
was also known to be a goddess of magic right

753
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,039
in the mythologies, and so I think it's in some

754
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,639
sort of way, like you know, a present day ritual

755
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:56,079
or honoring to Isis. I don't know, so yeah, it

756
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:56,480
could be.

757
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 4: I mean. And one thing too, is dear and the

758
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,519
I'm trying to think now it was the twenty sixteen

759
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,760
I want to think election cycle or the the COVID

760
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,800
one of what was it, the uh, the guy Floyd

761
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:20,320
Uh that I can't bathe Floyd. Yeah, that that was

762
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,159
going on, all the riots, all the women and feminists,

763
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:28,920
Antifa and uh, that that's arising in that that spirit,

764
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,000
the whole LGBTQ, uh and all that kind of stuff.

765
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:38,039
And to me, I think that you know, with with

766
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:44,639
the push for homosexuality, the LGBTQ, the transgender even if

767
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:48,239
you go back to ancient days, the eunuch, uh, all

768
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,960
those things I think are part of the seed war

769
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,199
because he wants to strangle out you know, God's people,

770
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,639
you know, and so how do you do that? And

771
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,000
another thing I find really compelling is NATO and the

772
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:12,519
UN all the world governments unanimously agree that we have

773
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,159
a population problem. And they're always talking about population control,

774
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:23,800
population control, and that's Satan's seed war. So if you're

775
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:33,960
number one making everybody you know, transgender, gay, all these

776
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,800
other type things like that, you're not reproducing, you're not

777
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,639
pro creating, and God said be fruitful and multiply, so

778
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,480
that that's an attack on the seed war, busting up

779
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:52,039
the homes, encouraging single motherhoods for that government check, you know,

780
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,840
I mean, all these different things. If they can't stop

781
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,599
you from breeding, then they're gonna sabotage you to where

782
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,920
you have a broken home and wind up in prison,

783
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:06,199
you know what I mean. So I think all that's

784
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,639
kind of you know, pieces on.

785
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny even.

786
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 4: With the women, the whole you know, the mighty woman.

787
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,960
You go back to you know, World War one or two,

788
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:21,960
when the men went off and then the women had

789
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,320
to go into the factories. That was I think by

790
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,440
design too, because it's like, oh, yeah, give them a chase,

791
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,920
a taste of freedom and what making money and independence

792
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,760
is like. Because when the boys come back home and

793
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,599
they try to take get them to go back into

794
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:37,760
the home, then they don't want to go no more

795
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,119
because they've had a taste of freedom and making money,

796
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:44,280
and that would help with you know, the divorce rates

797
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,760
and the breaking up God's design because I'm not a

798
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,400
male chauvinistic, you know, I mean, I am a Southern man.

799
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,519
But it's like a married couple can't make it on

800
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,280
a single income anymore. I mean some do, but it's

801
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,679
because the man is very, very blessed and makes a

802
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,519
buttload of money. But that's the you know, two percenters

803
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:11,440
for the most of us, it takes two because of

804
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,079
that what happened there. You know, if the women wouldn't

805
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,800
have had to go to work, they would have never

806
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,119
seen or never thought the grass was greener on the

807
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,199
other side, and with a state, and with the woman

808
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,199
being there, not that she's any better or worse. I'm

809
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,400
not trying to put anybody down or anybody up on

810
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,360
a pedestal, but God designs us all. I believe for

811
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,559
a purpose. That the man is to work the field.

812
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,960
According to you know, the curse to Adam, we're to

813
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:42,639
live off the sweat of our brow and the disciplinary ones,

814
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,440
the guiters, the spiritual leaders of the household, and the women.

815
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,920
They have a very important role and it's something that

816
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,920
we can't do you know, be nurturers and care caregivers

817
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:56,679
and things like that. So the youth and the children

818
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,840
do all these things are not getting you know, the

819
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:08,239
proper tools to uh work at life basically. You know.

820
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: So great point.

821
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 4: How we got off on it. We kind of went

822
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:13,559
off the subject a little bit there, didn't.

823
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: We Yeah, no, but that that that's important man, you know,

824
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,880
and it's resonating with a lot of people, right, like

825
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,119
we're living through this stuff. Man. You know, it's rough, dude.

826
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,519
And and the world's never been in a place where

827
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:27,519
it's at today, you know, it hasn't been that way.

828
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,039
You know you mentioned in those times too, like all

829
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:34,199
this chaos, well like that is kind of goes back

830
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,639
to Eris, right, the Greek goddess of chaos and strife, right,

831
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,480
known for you know, Discordianism, and uh, you know, it's

832
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:47,079
it's interesting, how I see what you're saying. You know,

833
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:52,159
it could it's like that spirit in action, right, It's crazy, man,

834
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,519
it's crazy. Yeah, you know, we could circle back back

835
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:02,159
into the Eleusian a mis terror. There's I mean again,

836
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,199
what what people do you know were initiates into this,

837
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:09,719
were a part of this.

838
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,639
Speaker 4: Basically from what I'd read. It's like anybody that had

839
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,199
the money and means to did it was the thing,

840
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,320
you know what I mean? Uh, you know, Marcus Aurelius

841
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:29,800
is recorded as a partaker every year. I'm trying to

842
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,639
think I had a little list here.

843
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:36,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, man, This stuff goes all the way

844
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,639
back to the garden. Man. I think it really does

845
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,239
you know, narcissism that you know, because I don't think

846
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,119
the conversation between the serpent and Eve, I think it

847
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,199
was more than that. I think the Bible tells us

848
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,280
exactly everything we needed to know on there. I'm not

849
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,440
putting down the Bible when I'm saying this, I'm just

850
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,239
speculating a little bit on the topic that there was

851
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,400
more to the conversation than just a few sentences. You know,

852
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:07,159
I think there was a lot of psychological things going on.

853
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,039
You know, there's a lot of siofs, you know, a

854
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:11,280
lot a little bit of truth this. But really you're

855
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,800
you're you're doing the wrong thing. But what I think

856
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,559
was also being talked to Eve. You know, I think

857
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,639
he chose Eve because the woman's role is number one. Like,

858
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:24,320
like you said, we can't do what they can do,

859
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,199
and so he he chose to you know, go to

860
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,719
Eve for that. But also because I think a lot

861
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:39,400
of the a lot of Lucifer's philosophies are matriarchal, like

862
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,159
you know what I'm saying, Like I and I think

863
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:44,480
that he was presenting these things to Eve to try

864
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:49,960
and get Eve to like kind of overthrow the patriarchy

865
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:55,760
of Adam, right, and which would throw things off right,

866
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,519
it would throw it would throw the structure completely off

867
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:01,880
of how God intended things to be and how God

868
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,599
created things to be. And when you look at today,

869
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:10,719
you can see, you know that that matriarchal society seems

870
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,159
to be rising in the workforce too, right, like because

871
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,320
you see now that there's more stay at home dads

872
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,800
and you know, or or people are working from home.

873
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,960
And plus two, like the wives are in the workspace too,

874
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,280
and some of those wives are like, you know, way

875
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,000
more successful than some of their husbands. Right, And so

876
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:34,880
like there comes like this flip in the dynamic of

877
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,639
the home a little bit. Because finances are dude, I mean,

878
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:41,519
like how important are finances and how stressful are finances?

879
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:45,199
And how weight do finances you know hold when you're

880
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,239
taking care of most of them and all this kind

881
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,480
of stuff, right, like it can get kind of you know,

882
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:54,519
drama can stir up right between a couple nowadays since

883
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:59,320
both of them are in the works workplace. But because

884
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,599
I you know what, at least you know, I've gone

885
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,599
on your show, I've talked about the divine feminine. I've

886
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,880
talked about you know, like the Paleolithic findings according to

887
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,199
like when they date these things, that Venus, uh, you know,

888
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,559
was one of the things that not Venus like Greek,

889
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,800
but Venus of Willendorff was one of the things that

890
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:23,079
was worshiped first, like amongst the archaeological findings that we

891
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,440
can date to this period, right, and it was like

892
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:35,440
this monotheistic, matriarchal religion, right. And I think that this was,

893
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,559
you know, the bloodline that was worshiping the serpent. I

894
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:42,239
think this was the bloodline that was worshiping the dragon,

895
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,079
you know, and the dragon has some it has a

896
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:47,840
lot of connections.

897
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was it was it was in stark

898
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,039
contrast of God's design. So he puts you know, the

899
00:55:54,360 --> 00:56:00,599
woman in power. And one thing I thought was uh telling,

900
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,960
I guess when I was looking through you know, the

901
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,880
serpent seed and how you know, if that was what

902
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:11,599
happened there, he fulfilled his promise to her, because if

903
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:13,199
you remember what did he say to her, he said,

904
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:18,480
if you do this thing, he said, you, ye shall

905
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:22,519
be as God's. Well, at this point, God was the

906
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:27,639
only one with creation power, so by sowing a seed

907
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,159
introducing sex and pro creation, the female was like God.

908
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,719
She could create life like God. So therefore Satan fulfilled

909
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,480
that promise, Ye shall be as God. So that's something

910
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,760
that I postulated anyway, because it's like, you know, God

911
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,639
was the only one creating life at that time, and

912
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,800
if some seeds were sown in that event, then she

913
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,239
was becoming like like a God, you know what I mean?

914
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what's funny too,

915
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,159
is like, uh, it's crazy because my wife just I

916
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:04,639
don't know. It came on YouTube. It was one of

917
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:06,480
these things that just kind of popped on YouTube and

918
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,280
we monitor obviously what we what we let our kid watch,

919
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,360
and the Katy Perry music video came on and I

920
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,719
think the song is called Roar Like a Lion or

921
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:22,440
something like that, right, and it starts off with they're

922
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:30,000
in this forest, right and they're kind of like confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

923
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:31,719
I wish I could play the music video, but I

924
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,800
definitely would get you know, hit with a copyright. But

925
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,760
you know, it shows you that, you know, it's her

926
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,199
and and her her other you know. But it looks

927
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,360
like Adam and Eve in the garden and the man

928
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:49,480
is like, you know, the famous one because he's like

929
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,840
facetiming and taking pictures and and he's kind of like

930
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,360
pushing her away and you know, so it's kind of

931
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,960
like showing you like, oh, you know, Adam was the

932
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,880
you know, the leader of the garden, and look look

933
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,360
what it looks like. Right, it's all it's all, you know,

934
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:10,320
just propaganda and all that. But uh, a tiger comes

935
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:16,280
and kills him, right, and she she inherits like you know,

936
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,199
the the Eden, right, and and she's like this goddess

937
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,199
now and she's fierce, and you could see the change,

938
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:25,679
the transformation, which the goddess too has a lot of

939
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,920
you know connections with you know, the Black Mandona and

940
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,159
all this kind of stuff and what we've pretty much

941
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:33,400
talked about too with the rituals and all that. But yeah, man,

942
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:39,039
and and I think that that's you know, I think

943
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,159
that that some think it's possible that that might have

944
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,840
gone down in the garden. Not not the music video stuff,

945
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,880
but but you know the idea of like trying to

946
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:54,119
flip the roles that God just established for uh, for

947
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:59,119
for his Eden, right, I mean his creation was uh,

948
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,400
you know, there were stewards over the creation, right, Like

949
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,599
you know they were they were operating creation and sustaining

950
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:08,559
it and taking care of it and all this kind

951
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,840
of stuff. Yeah, it's wild man. Yeah.

952
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,679
Speaker 4: And one thing too is you can look at you know,

953
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:17,599
it's not the exact same thing, but I think it's

954
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,159
correlated and it rhymes for a reason, you know, kind

955
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:24,360
of like the telephone game. Maybe things evolved after a while.

956
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:31,400
But in that story, remember there was two trees and

957
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,000
the other one was the tree of life. And remember

958
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:38,000
God kicked him out because he said, least the man

959
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:42,719
take of this tree and then be forever you know, corrupted.

960
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:48,280
So you had these two trees and these illusion mysteries

961
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,400
is supposed to you know, burn off their mortality like

962
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,599
we talked about earlier. Right, how many stories, legends, mythologies,

963
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,760
rituals revolve around that. I mean it's like it's ungodly

964
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,119
at the number if you go to the Vikings. The Vikings,

965
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:15,400
they had the story of this female named e Dunn

966
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,320
with a U instead of an E, and she is

967
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:27,760
the overseer of this orchard and there her golden apples

968
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,840
grew and she can only grow them. She's the only

969
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,000
person to get access to them. And she fed the gods.

970
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,880
So just like I talked about this dragon court, the women,

971
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:51,760
the dragon princesses fed the kings of her immortality flow right,

972
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,079
and it kept them young and give them all these powers.

973
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,960
So E done in the Viking Lord supplied the gods

974
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,039
with this this apple that kept them forever young and

975
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:05,679
youthful and smart and strong. And the way the story

976
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:13,000
goes with her was that this giant was lusting for

977
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:15,639
her and wanted her for his wife. She wouldn't give

978
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:21,400
him the time of day. So one day, while roaming

979
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,880
around Midguard, this giant captures Loki and convinces Loki, you

980
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,639
know who is another satan archetype like Inky, convinces him

981
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:37,880
to go into the garden and capture Eden and bring

982
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,880
her back so he could marry her and sleep with her.

983
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,639
And it talk about how he was just so obsessed

984
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:47,119
with her, like sexually and Loki does. He goes, he goes,

985
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:49,760
He sneaks into the garden just like that snake, and

986
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:54,000
he abducts Eden and gives her over to the giant

987
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:57,119
and then all this stuff happens, and Thor you know,

988
01:01:57,199 --> 01:01:59,679
goes on this rescue and grabs her and brings her back,

989
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:03,559
but she's gone. The gods are dying. They start getting weak,

990
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:06,599
they start getting wrinkles and aids, and they're freaking out there,

991
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,039
like Loki, you gotta go get Eden back. We need

992
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:15,519
her apples. So here's this, you know, immortality thing given

993
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,840
from this woman. When you go to the Greeks, they

994
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,079
have the drink of the gods, this ambrosia, and it

995
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:28,800
was this koochion that they drank to keep them young

996
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,519
and give them immortality. Go to the oldest epic in

997
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:37,039
the world, the epica Gilgamesh. His friend dies. Then he's

998
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:40,000
scared to death. He doesn't want to die, so then

999
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:45,400
he goes on this hero's journey to try to find Aramazda,

1000
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,639
who is Noah in their story, the guy that survived

1001
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:51,480
the flood and built the boat. And he goes, you know,

1002
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:56,039
through mountains and headstards of the west of the land

1003
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:00,400
of the setting sun and crosses this abyss and this

1004
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:05,360
island which is Eden, and finds Aramazda or whatever his

1005
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,760
name was, I can't remember now. There's several different versions,

1006
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,760
but that's there Noah, and he tells him that basically

1007
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,000
the only way he can have immortality is there's this lake,

1008
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,360
and at the bottom of the lake is this special

1009
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,920
plant that if he ate it then it would give

1010
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:30,400
him immortality. And so he goes. And you've got so

1011
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,800
much symbolism with that. To the lady of the lake.

1012
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,679
She was a grill maiden. You went to the lady

1013
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:39,320
of the lake, and she gave you of her kooky

1014
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,639
on and you got your immortality through her from the

1015
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:47,440
lady of the lake. So Gilgamesh goes, goes to the

1016
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,199
bottom of this lake, finds the last one, and comes back,

1017
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,480
and I don't know if he sets it down, but

1018
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:58,719
he does something like sets it down. He's distracted. A

1019
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:05,119
serpent slithers up and eats the plant and steals his

1020
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,960
immortality away from him.

1021
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: It's wild, dude, you know, have you heard of the

1022
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,239
it kind of the first one that you described sounds

1023
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,119
very similar to the Garden of Hesperities. Are you familiar

1024
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:20,280
with the Garden of Hesperities right where it's like this

1025
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:25,320
mythical orchard. It's in the Greek mythology, but it's supposedly

1026
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,760
located at the western edge of the world, right, and

1027
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,960
it's contained these golden apples that granted immortality, and you know,

1028
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,440
we're famously guarded by nymphs and the tight napolis d

1029
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:42,320
the lake. Yeah, a never sleeping serpent, right, and it

1030
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,320
was the destination of hercules eleventh labor. It's an interesting worry,

1031
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,280
you know. And what's interesting too is that the Garden

1032
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,079
of Hesperities had three women. It had three women that

1033
01:04:56,159 --> 01:05:00,119
were like the divine feminine, you know, uh, of of

1034
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:05,719
the garden. And it's like this, there's this trinity too, man,

1035
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:08,599
that you know, because because you know, Satan's gonna gonna

1036
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,840
try and counterfeit, uh, you know God. And what he's

1037
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,519
done too is he's counterfeited the trinity in female roles

1038
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:20,280
in these mythologies. One of them is I think it's

1039
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:27,840
called thrice, uh Artemis. But I know you're saying, yeah, yeah,

1040
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,840
it's something like that where Artemis has like three faces,

1041
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,920
you know, and they actually I think there's a movie

1042
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,000
out there that I don't know if it's coming out

1043
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:41,199
or if it just came out. But it had like

1044
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:43,760
this kind of like this it's like a scary horror movie,

1045
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,039
and had this demonic any that looked like a female face,

1046
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:48,760
but it had like three faces, right, it had three

1047
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,480
faces on it. And I was like, oh, dude, that's

1048
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:55,719
like the Greek mythology. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know, yeah,

1049
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,559
you know, the divine feminine. It's it's it's it's every where, man,

1050
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:05,480
it's everywhere, you know, biblically, but it's it's it's the horror, man,

1051
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:09,559
it's the counterfeit that that some you know, Satan's going

1052
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:13,920
to have to come to humanity and present this fruit

1053
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,599
once again, you know. And and I think that that's

1054
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:21,960
kind of what is being allegorized when the whole world's fornicating,

1055
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:27,119
you know, and and and lusting off the abominations of

1056
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,880
the horror. Right in Revelation seventeen, it's kind of like,

1057
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,639
you know, falling falling into that same kind of idea

1058
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:35,480
for me, I don't know, because it's all about uniting

1059
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:37,920
with this divine feminine in some sort of way or

1060
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:43,760
honoring it either or and it's like through these rituals

1061
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,599
they show you that that there's something you have to

1062
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:49,559
do that kind of like how I see it as

1063
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:53,199
like an allegiance, right, It's like how to get you

1064
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:59,079
into the experience. You know. It's like, for example, you

1065
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:01,920
either have to drink this drink, right, you drink this

1066
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:06,039
drink and you become intoxicated, or you are the the

1067
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:08,039
you know, the galley of the Kabeli cult that you

1068
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,360
have to castrate yourself and do all this stuff. And

1069
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,880
obviously drugs were another part of that cult too, but

1070
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,119
it's always like you're kind of sacrificing some sort of

1071
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:18,119
part of yourself, you know, which is like I don't

1072
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:22,639
know if it resembles that dying of the ego or

1073
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:25,719
or what or you know, because I'm not an occultist,

1074
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:28,480
you know, but so I don't know exactly what all

1075
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:29,559
this kind of means.

1076
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,119
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean that's what it is. And you

1077
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:38,159
even have it ritualistically once again with the Freemasons, you know,

1078
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:42,719
once they passed the third degree. In that last ritual,

1079
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,400
they take a sword or blunt object and strike the

1080
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,440
initiate and they catch him. He falls to the ground

1081
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,039
and he's dead, they do like this ceremony and then

1082
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:56,679
they give him the hand and they pull him up.

1083
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:01,199
He's a new man, being born again. And even in

1084
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,280
that guy in that book there the I forgot the

1085
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:10,280
name of it, the immortality key, he's not a Christian.

1086
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:17,000
And so when he pointed out, you know, these cave

1087
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,560
temples and different things they found in these buildings with

1088
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,000
Christian iconography, but they're also finding these koochions and things

1089
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:31,439
like that that uh, that basically Christian because he's not

1090
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,520
a Christian. But he's saying that he thinks, you know,

1091
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,119
even Christianity is another version or spin off of this,

1092
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:41,920
because you know, he talks about how Jesus says, you know, uh,

1093
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:46,359
you must be born of water and of spirit, just

1094
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,680
like the illusion mysteries and the Malia scene. You go

1095
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,640
into the water the abyss and you die and you

1096
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,159
come out of the water resurrected a new man. You know,

1097
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:01,720
with with the New Age philosophy, the christ consciousness, they're

1098
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,399
saying that, you know, this is just another version of that.

1099
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:12,680
And he makes all these comparisons to Dionysus because he

1100
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:17,880
talks about Dionysus. He's the god of wine and chaos basically,

1101
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,720
and he would drink till he becomes so intoxicated he would,

1102
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,600
you know, get in a frenzy. And they even talked

1103
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:32,600
about his followers. The women were called the minads, and

1104
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,920
they dwelled in the wilderness and they would drink this

1105
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:40,600
kookie on too, and they would be spiked with hallucinogenics

1106
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,720
and stuff, and Homer talks about it and all these

1107
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,920
other guys that they would drink and they would become

1108
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,600
so messed up that they would get primal basically, and

1109
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,840
they would chew and eat their own initiates flesh like

1110
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,720
they might freak out, like the walk of flow of stuff.

1111
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,279
Back in the day, people would do that bassalts and

1112
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,560
eat other people and crazy crap like that. It would do.

1113
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,760
That would put them in a frenzied state. But they

1114
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,319
called that that that was what they were looking for

1115
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:15,439
because when that happened and you achieved that state, that

1116
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:16,960
God is duelling within you.

1117
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: Wow. That's like that's like similar to Kundalini, the Kundalini, uh,

1118
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,439
you know awakening. Sometimes that would the reaction.

1119
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 4: So they would get up in that woods and drink

1120
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,359
these drinks and do their stuff.

1121
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:31,399
Speaker 2: Uh.

1122
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 4: But if any men stumbled across them, they would kill

1123
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,359
them and eat them. Oh so yeah, you got all

1124
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:45,960
that kind of crazy stuff would Dionysus, And like, I

1125
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,840
can't remember exactly, I'm not real well studied on Dionysus,

1126
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,199
but I think he was saying that Dionysus, like Jesus,

1127
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:57,479
one of his first miracles, you know, he turned water

1128
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:02,439
into wine, and he had disciples and all this kind

1129
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,119
of stuff. And then he contrasted that with Jesus him

1130
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,920
turning the water into the wine, having the disciples, and

1131
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,920
then he has this ritual at the Last Supper, you know, uh,

1132
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:16,279
take take of this and eat is my flesh to

1133
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:20,439
how the Dionysians and the minads would eat flesh in

1134
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,439
their in their frenzied state, and they would drink this

1135
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:27,840
wine to get intoxicated with all these drugs. So he

1136
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,600
was saying, you know, trying or trying to say that, yeah,

1137
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,319
you know, there could be connections with this because it

1138
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:37,960
rhymes too much. But me when I read that, I

1139
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:42,079
was just like, no, it's spiritual warfare and it's God

1140
01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:44,640
slapping them in the face with their own game. Because

1141
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:49,640
everybody was doing this at this time, right, So during

1142
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,479
the time of Jesus, people was well familiar with Dionysus

1143
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,439
and his rituals. He was well familiar with the illusion

1144
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,359
mysteries and the Dragon Court, all these people doing these things.

1145
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,000
So I think God met the people where they were,

1146
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,640
so he kind of done similar things that was familiar

1147
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,319
to them, but it was real. It was the real deal,

1148
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,720
not the imitation, and kind of like a spiritual warfare

1149
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:19,319
slap in the face to the enemy. I think you

1150
01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:21,479
see stuff like that all the time in the Bible.

1151
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:23,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they crossed the.

1152
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:25,199
Speaker 4: Red Sea, you know, he tells them to stop, all

1153
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:28,119
of a sudden in turn and face Bale's the faun

1154
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:32,479
will bail. That was the Mountain of Bail, the storm gods,

1155
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,680
and what happens the Red Sea parts because of a

1156
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:42,680
strong wind, a strong east wind. So once again spiritual warfare.

1157
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,479
He's like, all right, uh, you know, thunder God, you know,

1158
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,560
let me show you what's up holds.

1159
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let me show you what my God can do. Right.

1160
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:54,399
It's like it's like that man, you know, and it's

1161
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,600
not like that this is like a challenge for or

1162
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,920
anything for the Lord. It's just that he's showing you

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kinda who really like has the bugles, you know, like

1164
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:08,600
who really has like the ribbons, you know, and he

1165
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,079
does it too in scripture. And it's, uh, you know

1166
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:14,159
because I've I've looked in the Dionysus a little bit.

1167
01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:17,840
When you read where in Revelation, you know, Jesus is

1168
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,880
coming back, right, and he's riding on a horse, and

1169
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,560
he's coming back he's got a sword and all this.

1170
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,359
It's funny first off that you know Jesus is coming

1171
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,039
back on a on a horse with a sword and

1172
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:35,319
all these things. It's it's it's a backhand to the Hindu,

1173
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,960
you know, the the Hindu savior, the cal key, right,

1174
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:43,439
because the kal Key rides on a horse and has

1175
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,119
a sword. So it's kind of like God is like

1176
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:48,720
backhanding Satan and his counterfeit left and right. And then

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01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:53,840
you know, as he's coming back, Jesus is treading over

1178
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,560
the wine press, right, and I think it has a

1179
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,000
lot to do with, you know, Dionysus. You know, he's

1180
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:03,560
kind of like trampling over Dionysus because then you know,

1181
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,960
as you go down in that verse it says that

1182
01:14:06,039 --> 01:14:08,800
he has king of kings, lord of lords, you know,

1183
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:13,359
in his thigh, right on Jesus's thigh. Well, the story

1184
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:16,720
with Dionysus, right is that you have Zeus and Simile.

1185
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:23,000
They conceive Dionysus, but Zeus kills and you know, basically

1186
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:29,079
just with an inferno destroys Simile. But the the you know,

1187
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,359
the the conception was still alive, and so Zeus had

1188
01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:36,000
to put Dionysus in his thigh in order to you know,

1189
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:39,800
just state everything and to grow Dionysus into birth Dionysus.

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,640
So it's like God's backhanding him again and going, I'm

1191
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,520
I'm I'm the real God, you know, like I I'm

1192
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,119
I'm the King of Kings, right, you know, Lord of

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01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:51,960
lords right, So it's it's it's cool man, you know,

1194
01:14:52,039 --> 01:14:52,640
picking that up.

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 4: I think he does it all the time. Like Joseph

1196
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,840
Campbell in his book The Hero of a Thousand Faces,

1197
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:03,640
he showed all these dying and resurrecting gods, and I

1198
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,640
think they call them the corn Kings because kind of

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like Demeter or Persephone, they die, they go into the underworld,

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01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,399
but after so long they resurrect and come back. It's

1201
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,760
just an allegory for winter and spring, told through stories

1202
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:22,159
in different cultures. Telling the same cycle of weather and growing.

1203
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:25,159
They just put different names and twist to it. This

1204
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:28,880
is all the same thing, and they're all corn kings

1205
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,319
dying and resurrecting, you know, gods. And he was like,

1206
01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:36,039
you know, Jesus is another one. But once again I

1207
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:39,720
take the backhanded slap, and I use scripture to even

1208
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,159
kind of go with it, because God meets us where

1209
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,680
we're at, I mean time and time again. When Paul

1210
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,479
goes to Mars Hill, there's all these you know, really

1211
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,159
sophisticated Greeks, you know, and that they were they were

1212
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:55,520
the smartest people in the world, their known world at

1213
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,880
that time. Uh. They had all these statues, but they

1214
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,119
had one to the unknown God. He could easily roll

1215
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:03,279
up and say, get manions are stupid and are worshiping

1216
01:16:03,319 --> 01:16:05,960
all these false gods. There's only one real God. Get

1217
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,119
it right, kind of like some our you know, I

1218
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:13,439
guess well meaning Phariseic Christians in the world today. But

1219
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,199
they that would have never worked. That doesn't work, never works.

1220
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,600
You just harden the soil. That way a seed will

1221
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,039
never take. But Paul's like, you know, hey, you Greeks

1222
01:16:22,079 --> 01:16:25,039
are some real smart people. You know, you got this

1223
01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:27,960
figured out that figured out. Man, you got all these gods,

1224
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,439
but you got this one to the unknown God. I

1225
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,399
know who that unknown God is, and he is the God.

1226
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,520
Let me tell you about him. And it worked out

1227
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,920
so great that he at the end of his talk,

1228
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:41,399
they invite him back. They like, we want to hear more.

1229
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Come back. And that's a prime example of how God

1230
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,720
treats us, I think, because yeah, you have all these dying,

1231
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,680
resurrecting gods, because it's the fallen angels that had bits

1232
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,880
and pieces of the story but not the full revelation.

1233
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,640
So they come down to try to sow seeds of

1234
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:02,479
deception and mimic God like they always do, trying to

1235
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,319
thwart God's plan. And just like the Cross, they thought

1236
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:09,000
that they had it licked.

1237
01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:09,279
Speaker 3: Son.

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01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,399
Speaker 4: You know when you get to the Psalms that said,

1239
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:13,800
you know, the bulls of but shone gather around and

1240
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,439
gnash their teeth at me. You know, he's talking about

1241
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,720
these these falling sons of God from Deuteronomy thirty two

1242
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,920
that ruled the nations. Uh, they thought they had won.

1243
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,279
But Paul, what does he say? He said, if they

1244
01:17:25,319 --> 01:17:29,880
would have known by you know, doing what they'd done,

1245
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:33,840
sealed their faith, they would have never killed the Lord

1246
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,439
of Glory because he allows them to do things thinking

1247
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,359
they're doing something good and winning. When they're shooting themselves

1248
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:43,960
in the in they're on foot at the end. So

1249
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:48,640
I think God allowed them. Okay, yeah, be be Dionysus

1250
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,000
and turn water into wine and do all these things

1251
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,439
that you know that I'm probably that I'm planning on

1252
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,800
doing later. Okay, yeah, let Osiris do this and do that. Yeah,

1253
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,920
all these different variations. God's like, let them and they're like, ah,

1254
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,439
we got him. They're never gonna believe him. Everybody backfired

1255
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,479
because everybody accepted.

1256
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,119
Speaker 3: He's fulfilled too.

1257
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was something familiar to them and it

1258
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,119
was real right in their face, so they accepted it.

1259
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,199
So once again something they'd done, Like scripture says, what

1260
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:22,159
the devil means, you're harm, God turns for the good

1261
01:18:22,199 --> 01:18:25,680
of all those who love him. So I think he

1262
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,640
allows him to do this stuff all the time. So

1263
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,479
just because you know, I'm sorry, mister big last name

1264
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:37,119
Maruski or Marusku. Uh, just because there's similarities doesn't mean

1265
01:18:37,159 --> 01:18:40,560
that Christ is a rip off. It's the other way around.

1266
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,279
Speaker 3: Right, man, exactly, man, exactly, dude, this was a fun

1267
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:47,279
show man, this was a good time. Yeah, I'm excited

1268
01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:52,439
to you know. Uh, have you at the house? And well,

1269
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,640
you know, at the end of shows, I always try

1270
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,399
to like plug bro Grove, It'll be August seventh and eighth.

1271
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 4: Uh, and say let me tell you this before we go.

1272
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,359
Speaker 3: Yea yeah, yeah, yeh yeah yeah.

1273
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,079
Speaker 4: Let me find it again because I found this. This

1274
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:09,039
is one of the first things I searched up because

1275
01:19:09,079 --> 01:19:12,520
when I read the book, it stood out to me, dude,

1276
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:18,239
and I remembered it forever because it ties into the Bible. Okay,

1277
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:27,960
where's it at? You remember? Where did it go? That's

1278
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:28,520
not yet?

1279
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:29,359
Speaker 3: Where are you?

1280
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 4: Where are you coming back?

1281
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 3: Come on back? What's up? Chat? What's going on?

1282
01:19:34,119 --> 01:19:34,399
Speaker 2: Jeezy?

1283
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,239
Speaker 3: What's going on? Morpheus? Good to see everybody?

1284
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,199
Speaker 4: And speaking of Morpheus and one of those Greek tales,

1285
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,279
that's how Morpheus dies because he stumbles upon the manads

1286
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:49,600
in their hallucinogenic stupor and they tear him to pieces

1287
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:50,199
and eat him.

1288
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:55,199
Speaker 3: Oh man, donk good to see you. What's going on?

1289
01:19:55,279 --> 01:20:00,640
Rebel Mark kicking a cup, Cindy ca in a cup,

1290
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,319
kicking a cut man. Can't go wrong with that. Shout

1291
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:08,399
out everybody, thanks for tuning in tonight. Uh not not

1292
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:14,960
as long as a stream as usual, But I'm gonna

1293
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,279
go ahead and hang out and catch up on some sleep.

1294
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:22,119
Got work in the morning, you know. Still, Uh well,

1295
01:20:22,119 --> 01:20:25,760
I'm not podcasting for a living like you know this

1296
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:30,960
guy over here. I love it, manh Yeah.

1297
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 4: It was the graveyard beer.

1298
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 3: The graveyard what graveyard beer?

1299
01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:40,119
Speaker 4: Let me find it? I know, I copied it and

1300
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:49,159
put it in here. Yeah here it is, yes, yes, yes, yeah.

1301
01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 3: All right.

1302
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 4: When they were doing some of their stuff, they had

1303
01:20:53,800 --> 01:21:00,760
found that in graveyards and like those big like cathedral

1304
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,840
looking tombs and stuff that they had back then. Uh,

1305
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,039
they even found those koochions and those.

1306
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 3: Let's call.

1307
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:14,279
Speaker 4: Uh I guess, like try searching like graveyard beer. But

1308
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,359
like all these, you know, they would set up with

1309
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,640
the dead, and even like I'm writing about in my

1310
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:23,239
book the Dragon Court, they practiced ancestor worship, and they

1311
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:26,880
would go into the tombs because back then they built

1312
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,079
them like with benches in them. You could sit in

1313
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:32,399
there and sleep with them and commune with them. And

1314
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,399
when they needed inspiration or like even the vikings, when

1315
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,279
they wanted the spirits of their dead ancestors to inhabit them,

1316
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:44,000
kind of like a h a poultry geist or possession.

1317
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:50,640
They would do these rituals in the tombs, and sometimes

1318
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,039
they would have to stay in there two or three

1319
01:21:52,119 --> 01:21:54,960
days or a week or longer to get the God

1320
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:57,319
to possess them, or not the God but their ancestor

1321
01:21:57,399 --> 01:21:59,880
to possess them, or get the answers from the other world.

1322
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:03,600
And they would drink these drinks to help them communicate

1323
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:09,439
with them. And they found archaeological evidence of this, and

1324
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:14,520
they called it like the graveyard beer and the graveyard wine,

1325
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:21,239
and they found traces of these hallucinogenics in them. Let's see,

1326
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:26,800
said he proposed progression looks something like this of this

1327
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:31,960
illusion mystery thing, kind of like prehistoric funerary beer rituals,

1328
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:40,239
early agricultural fertility cults, near Eastern sacred beverages, Greek mystery religions,

1329
01:22:40,279 --> 01:22:44,840
then the illusion kouchion and later Dionesian and potentially some

1330
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:52,039
early Christian sacramental traditions. But they found the archaeological evidence

1331
01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:54,680
of this and writings that this is something they did.

1332
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,760
They would go to the tombs and sit and try

1333
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,399
and commune with their ancestors. And drink these drinks to

1334
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:04,000
try to chatchanneled them and even embody them. You remember

1335
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:10,000
in the Bible when Jesus crosses the lake there and

1336
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:12,600
I can't remember what town he went into, but he

1337
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:18,760
stumbles across the man of the tombs. He was possessed,

1338
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,039
and they chained him down and said that he was possessed,

1339
01:23:23,079 --> 01:23:25,159
that he had such strength he could break the chains.

1340
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:29,239
And all night long he hung out in the graves

1341
01:23:29,319 --> 01:23:32,479
and hooped and hollered and cut hisself and did all

1342
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,319
this stuff that matches perfectly. So I'm like, was this

1343
01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:41,319
guy participating in these rites and rituals? Was he drinking

1344
01:23:42,079 --> 01:23:46,640
the kookions and hanging out in the graves to channel

1345
01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:52,960
these other worldly ancestors? And they possessed him, and Jesus

1346
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
cast him out into the pigs, and he said, that's

1347
01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:57,199
the same one that said that I am legion, for

1348
01:23:57,279 --> 01:23:58,359
we are many.

1349
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:04,399
Speaker 3: Ah in the swine. M hmm. I got to read

1350
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,680
that again, huh. I got to read that again and

1351
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:07,600
see that.

1352
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,079
Speaker 4: And of course, like we talked to I think I

1353
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:12,640
talked about with you. I know I talked about with

1354
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,159
Nefflin Desk squad. But the uh, the Song of Solomon.

1355
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I remember he.

1356
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,239
Speaker 4: Feeds among the lilies until the break of day. And

1357
01:24:23,239 --> 01:24:27,920
then her hand in the spice jar and her fingers

1358
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,960
dripped with sticky mirth as she smeared. Her lover smeared

1359
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:35,000
the sticky mirth on the handle of her door, and

1360
01:24:35,039 --> 01:24:38,520
her bowels were moved for him, and she allowed him

1361
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:44,279
to taste of her pomegranate. That I swear, there ain't

1362
01:24:44,319 --> 01:24:46,119
no way around it, dude, After I've read what I've

1363
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:49,960
read and studied what I've studied, Solomon, that was his

1364
01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:53,359
harem of his dragon princesses he had gathered from around

1365
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:56,159
the world to do these rituals with. And that's what's

1366
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:58,840
being talked about in that Psalm.

1367
01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man. I I gotta go back. I got

1368
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,760
to read the psalm. Man, I got to read the Psalms,

1369
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:08,399
and uh, you know it's it's it's wild because when

1370
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:12,039
you look at you know, Revelations seventeen, you look at

1371
01:25:12,039 --> 01:25:14,279
the horror like you know, her cup is filled with

1372
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:16,640
the blood of the saints. You know, it's not like

1373
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,800
it's I know, we're talking about this ritual the whole time,

1374
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,399
and a mixture of honey barley water, we eat whatever,

1375
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:29,720
and it makes this concoction of this acid trip. But uh,

1376
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:34,399
you know, why blood? You know, like why why the

1377
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,159
blood of the saints? You know, I know it's all

1378
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:37,800
allegory and all this kind of stuff and it could

1379
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,640
be speculated upon, but it's it's.

1380
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 4: You know, little. I mean, they keep how many times

1381
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,800
did he say in the Bible? Do not drink the blood?

1382
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,159
The life forces in the blood, you know, because that's

1383
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:50,439
what they were doing. It's part of these these rituals.

1384
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 3: I think that's crazy. Man. Golly dude, it's wild. Man.

1385
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,600
These cults are wild. Man, They're wild, dude.

1386
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,199
Speaker 4: This is gonna be like a major theme too in

1387
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:05,720
the book that I'm working on.

1388
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:10,199
Speaker 3: So what a trump man. Yeah, work in the audience,

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check out your stuff and work in the uh you know, uh,

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you got a book out there right now and all

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that kind of stuff. Man.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If you guys like this kind of stuff, I dig

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into this stuff on my channel, uh, the Prometheus Lens podcast.

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Find me anywhere, man, you can consume this fine content. Apple, Spotify, Spreaker, YouTube,

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all the things. Same thing with the social media's and

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my website is Prometheus Lens podcast dot com. You can

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get a copy of my book, The Epic of Esau,

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The birth Right and Seed War gets you a signed

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copy with some stickers there and knee deep in my

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second book, The Tale of Two Trees Chasing the Dragon.

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It's about the Serpent seed and the Dragon Court, the

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ones with the divine right to rule and their practices

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01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:01,520
and rituals with the drinking of the blood and stuff

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that we've talked about today, So be on the lookout

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for that. I'm hoping to have that done by bro

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Grove that way because I got a table, so I'm

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hoping to have it done that way. I'll have a

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new book to get rid of at the conference there.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and that's gonna be that's gonna be fun, man.

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I got I took that weekend off, so I'll have

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like five days off man, and I'll be able to

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chew with you guys. Maybe we could do some you

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know activities right go to the beach or something. It'll

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be fun, man. But appreciate you man for your time

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and uh uh, you know we'll we'll get together again.

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You know, you gotta help me set this place up

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so that we can do a in studio, a breakdown,

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you know, a debrief or whatever of our of our

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time at bro Groth. Be fun.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I never travel without my camera.

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I'll have it. We'll have multiple angles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Shout out to the chat, Shout out to the

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super chats, Thank you New Path, Appreciate you for supporting

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your boy. And be sure to go ahead and support

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Doc and his channel. And you know, he's got a

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lot of great guests on there, a lot of interesting

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conversations that happen over there. But if anyone wants to

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support the work that I do, head on over to

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patreon dot com, Forward Slash the Biblical hit Man, get

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all your ad free stuff over there, community, goodie bags,

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this that, and don't forget about the YouTube channel. Uh

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you know, if you're if you're here, you haven't subscribed yet,

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please on your way out, hit that subscribe button. Like

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to the subscribers that I got over here. Love y'all,

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and uh, you know, come check out the channel over

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on audio platforms, Apple Podcasts, Spreaker, Spotify, all the stuff.

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But that's it for tonight, folks. A little you know,

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we cut it short, but family time is important. But

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much love everybody, See you next time.

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Speaker 2: See through small gay heroes and called beast by name,

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they say from will, costume friends, confid be somebody the same,

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Are who has a softer face, swim fires, Let us

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be