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Speaker 2: I was done.

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that turned me away the quickest.

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Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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looked at us.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things I remember the most where

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the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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Speaker 1: It is just circling these steps.

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Speaker 3: Like it is waiting for me.

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Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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Speaker 3: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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and that's where I saw.

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Speaker 2: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes as

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soon as I made eye contact.

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Speaker 1: Do this thing? It don't like death.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Tied Foil Tells tonight. I am joined

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by my guest, Ian Ian. Thanks for coming out here

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tonight and talk with me anytime. Would you like to

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let the audience know a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you said, my name is Ian. I'm very

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interested in paranormal topics, probably because I've had a lot

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of weird things happen in my life. So I also

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have a background in science, so I kind of apply

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that methodology to understanding paranormal phenomenon And yeah, I have

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a bachelor's and masters in science, but now pretty much

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all that I think about is spooky. So glad to be.

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Speaker 3: Here, Definitely glad to have you. So your email that

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you sit to me talked about cattle mutilations. Is this

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something that you've always been interested in or is this

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something you just kind of started looking into recently.

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Speaker 1: Well, it grabbed my attention just because you see it

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on YouTube. You see it on like Skinwalker Ranch type shows.

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show about it, and it seems to be this like

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apparent phenomenon that's tangible and repeatable, so it's like a

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really obvious mystery. So it really grabbed my attention, and

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I was like, this is something I could potentially solve

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because it's not as nebulous as like a typical like

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a ghost or something like that, where you can't there's

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no video. These are well documented, repeatable, global phenomena. So

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I was like, eventually, I think I'm going to be

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able to pick up on some patterns here, but it

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took a while.

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turn it over to you and we can listen to

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you about everything you've researched and what you've determined.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would see these events and I didn't

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really know what to make of them. So I'm also

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really interested in archaeology. My background is like ecology, evolution,

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and behavior, so I'm really into like wildlife and things

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like that, but then also kind of combined with an

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interest in like Stone Age hunting things like that up

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through the Native American times, especially in North America. So

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North America, which is huge, vast herds of bison. So

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that's always kind of in the back of my mind,

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but I hadn't really applied it to this phenomenon cattle

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mutilations because it's not obviously connected. So over time, I'd

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cattle mutilations and the bison used to exist? And immediately

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it has must have access to like bison maps and things.

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then I get into this prolonged discussion with chadgpt about, Okay,

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how how well does this line up? And then I

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and I'm asking it, okay, let's map the cattle mutilations

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relative to where the bison used to be. And then

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what you know it's Sometimes it'll just build in data

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that isn't actually based on anything, so you have to

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catch it doing that. And you also have to exclude

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the which I learned eventually, the cattle mutilations that don't

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involve exanguination because these are not substantiated cases. So this

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is something that a human could do, like some guy

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in Southwest Washington gets his cowshot or something. This is

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not going to be representative of the overall phenomenon of

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cattle mutilations. So eventually I learned to filter out or

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to be and never cross. So the Stanford map I

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use that in combination with a map put out by

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a scientist named Sanderson in two thousand and eight. And

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nineteen nineties, and that's great for establishing this, but some

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of the newest data is some of the most striking

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and the cattle mutilations all involve exsanguination. They're all east

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in the eastern fifty percent of Oregon which used to

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Cascade Range onto the west coast. So all of it

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lines up with this pattern, even though there are cattle

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raised across the entire state, and if you go one

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state to the north into Washington, almost none of it

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had bison historically, and there are no mutilations there, and

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extent of any known exanguination cases, and there's a dot

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the exanguination occurred. Same in Ocalla, Florida, it's right there

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the bison range ended. So it's it's over and over,

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Canada where you have zero mutilations in the provinces that

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but no mutilations there. In Saskatchewan about half of it

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which had the greatest number of bison historically in some

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of the last remaining herds, it has the most cattle mutilations.

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essay up about it, and then I started looking globally

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culture replacement of a hunter prey relationship that extended deep

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mutilations in that area, because that's the species that was

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gets severed, replaced by domesticated animal, domesticated animal gets mutilated,

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eighty eight and southern Brazil. So I started I was like, wonder,

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how do I fit this into the theory? Well, I

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spelled Tupi, were cannibals and they would hunt other tribes

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of these of two P people, they would they would

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eventually cannibalize them. When the Portuguese arrived, they ended up

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impossibility about them, and I think that's that's worth actually

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I think have been grossly misinterpreted. I think it's clearly

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like an artistic display, it's meant to shock, it's meant

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to be noticed, it's meant to be remembered, and that

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explains the characteristics. So the exclusion of coyotes and bugs

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out and see these exangminated cattle. They feel like strangely

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compelled to go out and see them, and they can't

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explain it. So it's it's literally pulling. Whatever's doing this

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lights actually guiding them in the sky. They are being

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conjured somehow. Ranchers report seeing lights. These lights are basically

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like lures saying here, this is this is why I

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extremely kind of dark phenomenon. But the fact that it's

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so predictable and tied to these historical events where a

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largely consistent across the entire globe is I think striking

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how it follows the historic bison territory is remarkable, and

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other theories just don't work for this. If you go

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through the list of different theories like aliens et cetera,

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historic areas where hunting was occurring consistently for this long.

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There's no motivation there. Why would they be following that?

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Why wouldn't they go just elsewhere and do whatever? Not

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to mention the fact that it's clearly performative, the way

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the skin is removed from around the teeth creates this absolute,

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just vile like facial expression on the victim, whether it's

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human or a cattle or a horse in France, which

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which occurs in France. Yeah, So these deeply historic relationships

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between humans and their prey species, whether it's the Celtics

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that are hunting the oric and the red deer, or

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the Aborigines and the wallaby, the emu in the kangaroo,

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whatever it is, If there's deep time associated with that

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hunter prey relationship and it gets severed rapidly and replaced

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by a domesticated species, that domesticated species gets targeted by

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this mutilating phenomenon, whatever it might be, I lean toward

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it being more of a spiritual than a corporeal entity,

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just because the amount of perfection an undetected operation is

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just inexplicable given something with human limitations. It couldn't it

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could not be accomplish, not for sixty seventy years, and

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however long this phenomenon has been operating, which might actually

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this actually in history books? Maybe with the Aztecs. If

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they're doing sacrifices, maybe this is because they saw mutilated

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animals and they thought, maybe this is a god telling

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them to that this is what it wanted, and so

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that was their reaction, even though it's not what the

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god wanted. What the god wanted was nature to be

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operating in the more natural hunter prey relationship thing, and

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they were maybe causing too much ecological disruption. Who knows,

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it's just I think I think this is about as

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close as I've gotten to fully understanding it.

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the noe blood. And I've seen skeptics say, well, the

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kill site was somewhere else and they drained the blood

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and this whatever, But that is the one thing that's

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always stood out to me. Is like the surgical precision

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of the dissection of the animal. Like of the cattle,

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there's no blood, there's certain things cut completely like it's

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too perfect in a sense that some farmer went out

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there and did this, or some jokes or went out

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there and did this. Someone had to do, you know,

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like they had to do what they were doing to

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try and come out and do this. It's just not

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something that someone goes out there and does. Now, with

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your research and from what you're talking about, what do

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you where do you think all this stuff is goot? Like,

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what is the purpose of this? Do you have any

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idea like where the blood goes, what they're using it for,

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what they're doing the mutilations for others. You said something

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about artwork showing it off, But it also brings up

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the question of who and what is actually doing this.

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I know that's the question everyone wants to ask. They

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think it's aliens. I think it's that in your opinion, Like,

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what do you think all this is about?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's time to speculate, then I first I

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leaned into the kind of the mother nature aspect, and

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at first it's very normal to think, Okay, the blood

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is being used for something, the organs are being used

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for something. But I think it's much more of a

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mirror to how it whatever it is, and I don't

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think it's a corporeal and I think it's more in

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the spiritual realm, and we can get into that. I

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think it's more so mirroring how it sees us using

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domesticated livestock, so we have this impersonal cold industrial relationship

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with livestock, and then it mirrors that back to us

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by exanguinating them, by perfectly carving them up with symmetrical

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like eye sockets and disemboweling and leaving no trace. It's cold,

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it's calculated, it's impersonal, and I think it's also trying

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to convince us that this is not being done by

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the fact that anybody even entertains the possibility that's been

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done by people means I haven't seen these because ranchers

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don't talk like that. Ranchers don't come away saying, you know,

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who was in my field. They don't say that. Maybe

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the FBI in nineteen seventy nine, you know, starts talking

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about that kind of thing, but the FBI can't talk

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about things in the spiritual realm having these effects that

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they lose their jobs or it's just something that's not

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a language they can use. So I'm really open to

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anything that could behave perfectly. And I mean I have

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a history of being a pretty much a strict materialist

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into science. I was the kid in high school that's

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arguing with everybody that there's no God. But as time

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has gone on and I've accumulated experiences, I've had so

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many weird things happen, ghosts and synchronicities and sleep paralysis,

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et cetera, that there's just I don't think there's any

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limit to what could possibly happen. One of my favorite

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quotes about reality, it's not just stranger than we think

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it is, it's stranger than we can think it is.

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So I think it's important to remain open to any possibilities,

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especially when the evidence repeats over and over and over

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again with these impossible events, Like you said, the exanguination,

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we're not finding drops of blood anywhere. They might try

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to say in nineteen seventy nine in an Arkansas study

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that the ground can absorb what eight to ten gallons

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of blood. That's absurd, it's ridiculous. Any brancher knows what

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a dead cow that's been in a field for a

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while looks like, and they are shocked for a reason

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when they find these exanguinated animals. It doesn't look like

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an animal that has been naturally rotting in a field.

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It's a completely different phenomenon. And to trust the ranchers

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and their experience with these systems, they're the ones who know,

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and they're also they're not motivated to make up a

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story to protect There no pun intended to protect their hide.

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So if I'm if I'm speculating wildly, I mean at

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first I was almost I was like calling it the

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phantom because like it's like a phantom presence that's doing this.

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But I think it's it's like more of a message

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from the great beyond the even like the realm of

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the gods. It's a message of look what you've done

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in nature. I'm going to show you how you treat

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nature by treating your replacement species with absolute disrespect, because

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they this entity feels disrespected. It feels that the land

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has been totally like destroyed basically from what it was

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supposed to how it was supposed to operate. And I

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know it sounds ridiculous, that's it's.

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Speaker 3: Basically like we've tained it the land, we've brought it

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in different species to replace the natural ones that were

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there with invading species. Yes, I've talked to some people recently,

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and anyone that listens to my show, they know what

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I say when it comes to certain things. But I

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think a lot of this phenomenon that happens is all

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somehow connected. People see ghos, people see these cryptid creatures

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they see aliens. Some people get spiritual on it and

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call them religious icon like demons or something like that,

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or I don't know what they are. I just feel

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like almost everything that we encounter is probably connected somehow,

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and I don't know how to determine where they're from

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or what they are other than I just feel like

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all this stuff is somehow connected.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I feel like one of the deepest insights

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I've ever had in my life is the sense that

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everything is connected and that there's a lot of agreement

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with that and classic philosophies and other religions that there's

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no the illusion of separation is just that there is

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no separation. Oddly and maybe even striking to me, after

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I fumbled upon this pattern of bison range and mutilations,

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I started having synchronosities, Like every day I'd get these

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really weird coincidences. The first was I pulled up like

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I was getting close to a gas station to go

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like get tea or something, and this van pulls in

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front of me and the back of it says, you're

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building the future. We're here to help. And I was like, Okay,

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this seems like a message. But another day passes and

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I and I don't know where any of these discoveries

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are gonna go. And a van pulls up in front

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of me. And because I'd been thinking I'm just gonna

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I'm gonna quit. I'm not even gonna talk about this

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stuff anymore, this van pulls up in front of me

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and says, no excuses. I was like, jeez, Louise. And

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then I finally post a little video on my YouTube channel.

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And I go walking to the gas station again to

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get tea and I hear a lady tell her friend

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on the poor you figured it out, yay. But they're

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just talking to each other. But I'm like, you're gonna

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say that right when I walk past. After I I

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might have just stumbled upon this pattern that might have

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some explanatory powers. Is the synchronosity is sort of accumulating.

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You just feel like something's going on. And I actually

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wrote an essay before any of this happened. There's like

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twenty five hundred words about all the synchronicities I've ever had,

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and it's trying to explain them because I try to

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pick them apart from both sides of just inevitability or

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or some sort of actual communication from an intelligence, because

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they always they seem like that, they seem like they're

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a communication, and I think cattle mutilations are the sign

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of an act of intelligence. I don't think I've thought

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about the possibility that it's like a spasm of nature

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and when nature's violated, it's kind of spasms in this way,

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and it's involuntary, but the specificity and the perfection involved,

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and like the bison range mapping, I mean that the

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way it occur is deeply cautious, like it knows what

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it's doing, whatever it is, and it doesn't make mistakes,

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and then it makes sure what it's done is seen.

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So I think there's evidence of consciousness behind it, but

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I don't think it's corporeal or even alien.

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Speaker 3: There is something that people have been experiencing. It was

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one of the first episodes I had done. And it's

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like a design like these red they've been called like

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the red grid mark phenama, And people find these red

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splotches or designs on their skin and they show up randomly.

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They don't know where they come from. Then they go away.

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But when people have them, sometimes they report seeing like

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they're not seen, but having vivid dreams basically like really

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lucid dreaming. They've had them on their heads, they've have

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on their back, on the wrist, and the person that

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I talked to about it, they seem like they're done intelligently,

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Like it's like something that's trying to communicate once to know,

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And when you're talking about the cattle mutilations, it reminds

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me of that, like something's trying to communicate. I'm not

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saying they're connected, but at the same time, I think

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everything's connected one way or the other. So is this

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something out there trying to show itself to us? People

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talk like with the crop circles. Now, most people think

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crop circles are made by humans. I think they mostly

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probably are, But what about the ones that maybe aren't.

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Is something trying to communicate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's totally possible. I had, actually, and

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maybe just because I'm hyper aware of all these things,

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I had actually a red dot had appeared on my

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right knee that I'd never seen before until the past

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week or so. So I've had the exact say, it's tiny,

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but the fact that I noticed it means I'm like,

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I don't think I would have gone without noticing it.

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In the past since it's short season, but so I

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have I've got a red dot, so I got the

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same thing going on. And yeah, it's it's interesting when

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when you think about these things as communications, because I

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even puzzled over the fact that if it is trying

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to tell us something, could it be like clearer, could

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it be more obvious, like spell it out, like just

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write it in words, or have somebody have a vision.

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And then there's there's different kind of ways of thinking

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around that, Why isn't it a more obvious communication from

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this entity? And I don't know, It's almost like it

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needs us to figure things out for ourselves so that

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the solution is more meaningful and has more staying power.

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And if it just tells us things, I mean people

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probably just have mass hysteria like or they wouldn't even

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be believed. So it has to lay clues and then

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it gets figured out and then the impact could be

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could be known as opposed to somebody who's like, well,

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you know, the gods were talking to me last night,

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and you know I couldn't start the podcast that way,

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So yeah, it could be that that's how it goes.

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But this is a mysterious realm just kind of like

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the rest of reality. So it's unknown, but it does

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seem to be a communication, and it's not a pleasant one.

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It seems to be upset with something that's happened in

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that space to upset the natural balance, and it's showing

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a certain measure of wrath and perfection. I don't necessarily

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think it's a specific like I don't I'm not gonna

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say it's God or I'm not gonna say it's a

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specific thing. I'd hesitate to put a label on it.

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But I was just talking to a friend today and

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the characteristics of cattle mutilations actually line up perfectly with Artemis,

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the Greek god of the goddess of the hunt, the perfectionism,

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the wrath, the interest in the hunt itself, so she

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would have motive. Not saying that's where I'm leaning, I'm

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really just having fun with speculation, but the fact that

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it lines up so perfectly is interesting and interesting is

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about as far as I can go with this, because

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the patterns are there and I can substantiate those, and

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then the speculation about what's doing it is I think

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always going to elude me. But it's fun to think about.

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Speaker 3: You'd mentioned like your interest in like paranormal and supernatural elements.

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Is there something that's you've experienced prior to this? There's

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a method to my madness. Usually people that go into

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looking into things like this had some sort of event

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that happened to them when they were.

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Speaker 1: Young, numerous stuff, And really it didn't really start cooking

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until after my dad passed about twelve years ago. And

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then after that it was sleep paralysis, which I wrote

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an essay about. It was synchronicities that were hard to

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shake off that they make you think that the way

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reality operates is different than you ever thought before. So

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I don't know if you want me going into anecdotes,

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but I definitely could, Yeah, if you want to. Yeah,

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I was, So I was. I went back to the zoo.

472
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,480
I live in Omaha, and the zoo here's great, and

473
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,039
I had a job there doing overnight tours. And I

474
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,079
I had a history of just quitting every job. I'd

475
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,200
start a job, I'd quit it because eventually I just

476
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,359
didn't want to be controlled by it, even if I

477
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,119
liked it. And I liked the overnight tour job at

478
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,440
the zoo was fun, and so I tried to go

479
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,640
get the job back and I was leaving the zoo

480
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,680
from trying to get the job back and I saw

481
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,119
a great Cavalier drive by on the left and I

482
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,200
was like, okay, interesting. And then a gray trash can

483
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:34,839
rolls into the street on the right and I had

484
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,319
to avoid it. I was like, weird, the gray cavalier

485
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,799
gets my attention. And then a great trash can rolls

486
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:41,319
in from the opposite side of the street, so I

487
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:45,039
was like, okay, well, maybe it's nothing. A few cars later,

488
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
another gray cavalier drives by on the left side of

489
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,519
the street, and for some reason, I just knew the

490
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:54,279
pattern wasn't done. So I went over. I visited my

491
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,799
mom's house and I told her I'm in the midst

492
00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,480
of some sort of interesting pattern here, and if we go,

493
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,599
if we take the dogs for a walk, we will

494
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,160
see a great cavalier. And I guarantee you we'll see

495
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,000
great cavalier. It's going to happen. The first car we

496
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:12,160
see on the walk was a great Cavalier, and that

497
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,200
just then I had to kind of just shift my

498
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,799
whole idea, my paradigm about how I thought reality operated,

499
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,279
because that seemed so clear, and I knew that it

500
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,759
was coming like I knew, And there's so many there's

501
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:30,799
so many other things. The sleep paralysis events were notable.

502
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,960
They only happened really in this kind of tumultuous part

503
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,119
of my life, was partying, going crazy, doing all this stuff.

504
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:43,000
So again, the story involves my mom's house, which has

505
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:46,119
a history of kind of some a couple families where

506
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,960
it was kind of spooky. The first family, they were

507
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,880
Christian scientists that a kid pass away because they wouldn't

508
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,319
give him medicine and he was involved in like a fall,

509
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:59,160
et cetera. And then the second family, there's a psychologist

510
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,720
who would have his pay patients meet at the back

511
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:04,680
door and they take them to the basement for the

512
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240
for whatever treatments they were having. And this house was

513
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,400
built in nineteen twenty eight, so the stage is set

514
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,720
for this house to have all sorts of activity, not

515
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,680
to mention the fact that my dad passed away here

516
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,279
with als in twenty thirteen. So anyway, the first time

517
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,680
I had sleep proalyssis in the basement. I was laying

518
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,920
on my back and I felt this weight crawl up

519
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,599
my feet and you know you're conscious, You think your

520
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,880
eyes are open. I think some studies have shown that

521
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640
your eyes aren't actually open, but you definitely feel like

522
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,920
you're seeing the room and you can't move. And this

523
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,839
thing was crawling up my legs into eventually sitting on

524
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,960
my chest like the famous painting about sleep Prolyssi is

525
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,279
the name of it, and escapes me. Now, so I

526
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:47,680
get curious about these things. So I go back to

527
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,880
the basement and I lay down on my right side.

528
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,759
I was like, well'll see if this will happen if

529
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:54,440
I'm not laying on my back, because I think this

530
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,759
might be associated with that. This thing comes back, whatever

531
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,680
it is, crawls up my left side and his is

532
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440
in my ear, and I just tried to maintain my composure.

533
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,599
I was like, not real, not real, not paying attention

534
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,880
to you, whatever, And so I thought. I left the

535
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,279
basement that day thinking I won. You know, this is,

536
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,599
I got it cooked. I mean, this is it's not

537
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,079
gonna mess with me. I'm too brave and I'm too cool.

538
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:21,720
So another time I'm upstairs at the same house and

539
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,319
I fall asleep on the couch on my I think

540
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:28,200
it was left side this time, maybe right side, but

541
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,759
it was on my side because it's a couch and

542
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:34,519
I wake up and frozen again, and there's a tornado

543
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:39,519
of black smoke by this grandfather clock by the front door.

544
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,240
Tornado of black smoke, and it sounds like a freight train,

545
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,000
and all I can do is shift my eyes and

546
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,039
look at it. I'm just like, what is this and

547
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,519
just terrified. And then in a flash, it's next to me,

548
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,000
and it sounds like the universe is like fragmenting. It's

549
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,359
the loudest thing I can imagine. And then you eventually

550
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,039
snap out of it, and I'm like, okay, how do

551
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,200
I like? The rest of the day just seems spooky.

552
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:11,000
But then I finally start getting my act together. I

553
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,720
stop partying this and that, and I have one final

554
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,799
sleep paralysis where I wake up I'm frozen, but there's

555
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,680
no terror, and this being that looks like it's made

556
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,640
of black and blue, dark kind of slightly shimmering pixels

557
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,359
walks by my bed and all I can do is

558
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,319
look at it, and this thing smiles at me. It

559
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,119
looks like a shadow of pixels, and then it's gone,

560
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,440
and I've never had sleep paralyssis again since then. So

561
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:43,119
those events, while they have some sort of like precedent

562
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,039
in the literature, psychological stuff. Some people wouldn't say that's

563
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:49,720
not paranormal. When you've had it happen, it doesn't seem

564
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:53,720
super normal. It's like the nexus, the combination, the overlap

565
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,920
between normal and like tangibly paranormal. So there was that.

566
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,119
I mean, the list is long of anecdotes. I heard

567
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,400
my dad's voice clearly in my left ear once when

568
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,559
I was in kind of this hypnogogic state of like

569
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:13,920
almost falling asleep. And then my mom came upstairs after

570
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,440
I'd heard him say get ready to talk, and then

571
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,440
she said, did you say something from downstairs? So she

572
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,240
had heard something. I don't know if I think she

573
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,000
said it sounded like me. I wasn't talking. I'd heard

574
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,559
my dad clear as day in my left ear, his

575
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,519
voice after he had passed away, say get ready to talk,

576
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,640
no doubt. And then tons of psychic stuff, like there

577
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,440
was a time in the same house, and I've had

578
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,920
things elsewhere, but this is the same house from nineteen

579
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,599
twenty eight. That's what it was made. I was in

580
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,599
the kitchen and I heard a woman laugh, and for

581
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,920
whatever reason, I really wanted to know, Okay, where did

582
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,599
that come from? I knew it wasn't my sister or

583
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,920
my mom. I was like, where was that? So I

584
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,480
was like, rewind the TV. Maybe it was Hillary Clinton,

585
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,559
maybe it was something. It was something on TV. Nope,

586
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,720
we played the TV. It wasn't that. And eventually my

587
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:08,119
sister comes in from outside, sits down, plays a snapchat

588
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000
video on her phone and it's the same laugh that

589
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:15,440
I had heard in the kitchen. So all of these events,

590
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:20,079
the continued synchronicities, the things lining up. Just the other day,

591
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,320
Just the other day, I was at Walmart and I

592
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,719
was getting a white Monster, which are highly addictive. I

593
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,280
love them, but I gotta stop. I knew when I

594
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,159
put it on the conveyor belt at Walmart it was

595
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,639
going to fall over. There was no doubt in my mind.

596
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,519
It was guarantee, not because it was unstable. I just

597
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,519
knew it was going to fall over, so I set

598
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:43,159
it down. It's not, you know, unstable or anything. It's

599
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,920
not even moving. And the guy he can't get my

600
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,719
eggs to scan. He's just moving them all around, He's

601
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,599
trying to find the bar code. It's just not happening.

602
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,880
His right arm bumps into my groceries and creates this

603
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,840
chain reaction that eventually knocks over the monster can and

604
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,000
I was like, Okay, well, I guess I just have

605
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,840
to live with these kind of things because they it

606
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:08,679
just happens to me whatever. I think these are probably

607
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:11,480
more common than a lot of people might say because

608
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,239
they don't get discussed. They're so strange people. They fear

609
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,719
the backlash, just like the same reason the FBI wasn't

610
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,679
going to say, we think this might be mother nature itself,

611
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,280
you know, sanguinating cows, They're going to say it's coyotes

612
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,239
or whatever, because they just can't talk like that. When

613
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,719
I was actually a science teacher for a while, not anymore.

614
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,400
I'm doing other things. But I started a club for kids.

615
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,119
I call it Paranormal Society, and we would get together

616
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,079
and we would have a week where we talked about

617
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,599
dreams or lucid dreams. We'd have a week when we

618
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:46,280
talk about ghosts, or we'd have a holiday party around

619
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,360
Christmas time where we watch the X Files episode with

620
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,320
Christmas when they're there in the haunted house. And I

621
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,800
was surprised by how many kids had never had eggnog before.

622
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,719
But yeah, I just think things like that. It brings

623
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,519
these experiences to the or where like Otherwise, kids wouldn't

624
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:04,360
feel like they could even talk about this stuff, because

625
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,519
I think a lot of people have these events, but

626
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:09,159
they just don't feel like they can talk about them.

627
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,280
It's just too strange, or they just discount them, they

628
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,239
forget about them. But I think it's some of the

629
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,920
coolest stuff that happens to anybody, because it kind of

630
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,760
makes you finally believe that maybe reality like magic is possible.

631
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,440
You don't it's not all just simple physics or what

632
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,039
you would assume. It's just it absolutely erases boredom because

633
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:32,239
now reality is without bounds, anything could happen. So that's

634
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:34,360
that's why I developed an interest in all this stuff.

635
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,679
And now my bookshelves are full of paranormal books and

636
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,800
psychic photography. I've got the dousing riots I do taro.

637
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,760
If I'm just when I'm feeling it, i'd do something

638
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,920
like pull a card or something, But then I'm also

639
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,719
reading about physics and mathematics and stuff, so I keep it.

640
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,800
I'm always I would say my philosophy in general is

641
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,519
that I'm an observationalist. I just want to see what

642
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,679
nature can do, what does it do, and then go

643
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:03,079
from that as opposed to assuming what nature's limitations are

644
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:07,119
and then operating that way, which unfortunately seems like what

645
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,079
a lot of science is based on. Where we start

646
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,559
with this assumption, we limit nature, who put it into

647
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:13,960
a box, and then we just search within that box.

648
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,280
But it's don't We don't even have a good explanation

649
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,840
for why reality exists at all. So stop putting limitations

650
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,000
on it and and be open to open to experience.

651
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:29,079
It might be surprised what happens. Yeah, And the next

652
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,159
thing I wanted to study is imaginary friends. Like a

653
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:34,280
lot of kids grow up and they have imaginary friends.

654
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,239
And I was since I substitute teach, I was going

655
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,280
to start like conducting interviews, probably with like sixth grade

656
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,000
and older, because it just keeps things simple. But ask

657
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,280
them if they remember having an imaginary friend, did they

658
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,920
did they learn anything? Did it talk? Do they remember

659
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,559
what it looked like? Is there some common ground where

660
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,079
it's a certain type of individual that people remember. I

661
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,199
think my niece had an imaginary friend that was an

662
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,519
old man that we'd wonder was it my dad? Is

663
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,719
my dad there with her? We don't know, But it's

664
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,840
interesting all of these little phenomena that occur, and including aliens.

665
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,599
Even though I don't think aliens or maybe what's happening

666
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:18,159
with cattle mutilations, it's absolutely a phenomenon that's that's worth exploring.

667
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,960
I just I really haven't had my alien experience yet.

668
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,199
I don't think so. Synchronicity's ghosts, precognitive stuff, all the

669
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,360
accounts of cattle mutilations. That's kind of where I focus now,

670
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,679
But who knows what the future holds.

671
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: I talked to someone before, I think it was a

672
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,159
couple of years ago now that they were also a

673
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:42,800
teacher and they did a group the focused on paranormal stuff.

674
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,440
But when I was in school, I would I love

675
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,760
something like that to happened, but we didn't have anything

676
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,079
back then. But you're right when you mentioned a lot

677
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,159
of people don't get to talk about it, because that's

678
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,360
the reason I do this show, is because people have

679
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,239
experiences and we don't get a chance to talk about

680
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,079
it because there's still that stigma out there. You talk

681
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:10,320
about certain things, people think you're crazy. And I know

682
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,519
some people, you know what, maybe they are. I'm not

683
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,519
going to go out and say that some people aren't crazy,

684
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,400
because obviously there's going to be somebody out there that

685
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,920
kind of is. But yeah, not everyone is crazy. Like

686
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,639
people experience something, they're seeing something, they're having these experiences.

687
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,559
Sometimes you just need a place to talk about.

688
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's like Professor Axent in school got to have

689
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,559
somewhere for those kids to go and and I mean, yeah,

690
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:48,800
what reality is way more vast than what's what's been

691
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,960
covered in the textbooks. Is just such a distilled way

692
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,880
to represent what the extent of full extent of reality.

693
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,599
It's being watered down. And that's why kids end up

694
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:03,239
being demotivated and bored, is because they're being people trying

695
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,760
to convince them and sell them a story about reality

696
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,719
it doesn't fit with their own experience of reality as

697
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,920
human living beings because that's already so far like it's

698
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,440
so much more majestic and incredible than what they're they're learning.

699
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,440
It's they're being subdued, so they get it. Yeah, I

700
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,039
don't think school is great at creating inspiration, and it's

701
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,199
probably not designed to do that generally, which is why

702
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,159
I'm not part of it anymore. So I substitute pretty

703
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,440
much just enough to have enough money to write. And

704
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,280
so I was like writing books, but you put them

705
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,280
on Kindle, nobody's nobody finds those. So then I start

706
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,639
writing articles for journals and my writing is You could

707
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,480
probably imagine this is also a little bit too edgy

708
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:48,920
because you get into sleep paralysis and I could get

709
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,280
into another story about house dreams. So there was there

710
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,599
was a time when I was also having sleep proalyssis events.

711
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,559
I would have these dreams that were scarier than sleep

712
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:04,320
press dreams that transcended that fear by a factor of

713
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,199
one hundred, like no problem and nothing in the dream itself.

714
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,880
If you were to see it, if you were to

715
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,800
step into the dream and see what I was saying,

716
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,760
you'd like, why is this scary? But it was just

717
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,800
unbridled fear, and it involved the house, and I'd get

718
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,119
I'd be in the house and there'd always be one

719
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,920
room and I knew it was somewhere, and I'd get

720
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,480
close to it and the fear would start to kick in.

721
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,360
And it's a fear like I cannot explain, like the

722
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,079
most afraid you've ever been watching a movie or whatever.

723
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,519
For me is it It's beyond like for me, I've

724
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,119
never felt anything like it. I'd get goosebumps just talking

725
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,440
about it. So in this house, I'd get to the

726
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,679
room and I'm like, I'm not going in there. The

727
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,719
fear would be too much. But one time I was like,

728
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,320
I gotta go in, and I opened the room and

729
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,920
it's like high windows on either side. The room is

730
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,679
longer than it is wide. Really kind of antique furniture,

731
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,840
dusty antiques in glass cases just just seems harmless. But

732
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,159
the amount of fear from this room that I would

733
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,920
feel was just shocking. It would it would sit with

734
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,039
me the whole next day, and I didn't know how

735
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:18,079
to interpret it. So I'd like, I'm diving into like

736
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:22,760
Carl Jung's writing about archetypes, and apparently the symbol is

737
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,960
that the dream is the entire psyche, my unconscious, my ego,

738
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,599
et cetera, the whole thing, and then the room is

739
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:35,679
how my unconscious thinks about me that I'm I'm I've

740
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,079
become terrifying to it. So it's like showing me a

741
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,880
mirror of how it feels about me, which is kind

742
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,519
of a parallel to what cattle mutilations might be. It

743
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,519
might be like, here, this is what you are doing,

744
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,280
this is what this is your you're coldly treating these

745
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,840
animals in this disrespectful way. You're you're disrespecting the history

746
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,960
of the land, et cetera. It's kind of there might

747
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,440
be a parallel there, but anyway, it's symbolic communication, and eventually,

748
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,719
you know, I get my act together, the dreams disappear.

749
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,440
I haven't dreamt about a house with a room in

750
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:11,679
it since I started living a better life. But about

751
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,440
a year or two when I got my act together,

752
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,039
I had a Tinder date with someone and she tells

753
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:20,519
me she's having house dreams, and I was like, oh, okay,

754
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,719
So I said, you are in danger, something going on

755
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,519
in your life you have to fix. And I've made

756
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,639
sure she knew I was serious. I remember her name.

757
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:34,440
I will absolutely not say her name. The date ends.

758
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:37,559
We just kind of go our separate ways, and I

759
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,800
think a friend her on Facebook or something. We don't

760
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,239
really talk anymore, but I see her pictures and this

761
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,760
is I mean, this is sad. But over time she disintegrated,

762
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,159
she like slowly wilted away. I don't know what the

763
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,000
problem was, but she passed away, and I wish I

764
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,679
could go back to that date. And really, I don't

765
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,599
know say at ten times instead of once, that you

766
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:03,119
are in danger. You have to fix this or maybe

767
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,480
reach out more for a second date. But the house

768
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:11,280
dream seems to be an archetypal communication of deep danger.

769
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,800
It seems to be and it seems to be almost universal.

770
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,599
I even had another gal from a dating app tell

771
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,159
me that she was because I asked her, because I

772
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,719
could tell her life was just in disarray. She was

773
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,440
always drunk when we would talk, always smoking, always just

774
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,159
just in like in between jobs, like nothing seemed to

775
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,559
be set up for. And I said, do you happen

776
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,199
to be dreaming about a house with a room in

777
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,039
it and maybe there's something wrong with this room? And

778
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:38,960
she's like, yeah, I dream about a house in the

779
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,800
basement is all messy and I don't go down there.

780
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,639
I can't even go down into the basement in my

781
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,199
in my dream. And I said, you have to fix whatever,

782
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,800
you have to fix your life because you're you're in danger.

783
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,320
But you tell most people that, and if especially if

784
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,800
you don't know them, even if you do know them,

785
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,920
they're gonna get They're going to defend themselves. They're not

786
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,559
going to take that advice because you've just told yeah, yeah,

787
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,559
so could you hear me there? Sorry, my thumb was

788
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:04,440
over the thing.

789
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: No, you're good.

790
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, maybe I just need to get off

791
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:13,239
dating apps. But yeah, dreams have meanings. Some people think

792
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,960
they're just like the defragmentation of defragging the memories and

793
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,000
the brains, like just processing things randomly. Maybe sometimes it

794
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:26,400
is that, but not always. I've had precognitive dreams. There

795
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,639
was a time at the first school where I taught, well,

796
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,719
I had a week straight where I had dream after

797
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,239
dream after dream, like five nights straight in October. It

798
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,920
was in the fall, and they were all pre cognitive.

799
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,320
The next day it would be validated. I had a

800
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,400
dream that one of my students was going to start

801
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,079
acting up and she was normally great. Very next day

802
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,400
she's like cussing, she won't stop yelling. I was okay.

803
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:52,519
Then I had another dream that a student that I'd

804
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,679
never talked to was going to visit me in my room.

805
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:57,880
The next day he comes by and we have a chat,

806
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,440
even though we had never talked before. Then I have

807
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:03,320
a dream about the football team winning their football game

808
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,519
and they were going to score twenty points, and I

809
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,599
tell that I was student teaching. I told the guy

810
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,639
I was teaching under. It was training me, the guiding teacher,

811
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,360
about this dream. He was the offensive coordinator. So on

812
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,000
the van he tells the team about this dream I

813
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,239
had that they won. So, yeah, mister Waterman, he had

814
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,760
a dream that you guys won the game. He didn't

815
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,880
tell him the score that I saw. I didn't. I

816
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,840
don't know. I didn't know the opponent's score. I thought

817
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,480
it had zero, and it's either zero or ten, but

818
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,880
I dreamt twenty for the winning score. So I'm sitting

819
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,719
there watching their game on a laptop and they had

820
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,079
just scored their third touchdown, so they had twenty points.

821
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,960
And I was like, well, if my dream's right, he's

822
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,960
got to miss this extra point kick. And it sailed.

823
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,599
It sailed wide, So I was like, well, there you go.

824
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,360
I don't know what to make of these things. It

825
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,880
seems to be like access to something I shouldn't have

826
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,480
access to, But I don't think it's that rare across people.

827
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,440
And even like the government with the Stargate program, they've

828
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,880
they've use people's abilities to access information that we don't

829
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,119
really know how they gain access to it. But the

830
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,760
government's been interested in this for a long time, Stanford

831
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,639
had a lab called I think it was Sri Where

832
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,440
And I could be totally wrong about that, but I

833
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,679
think they had it for decades where they studied psychic phenomena.

834
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,480
And you don't do something for decades if it's if

835
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,239
it's baseless. So and I know, like there's a lot

836
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,800
of like law enforcement that uses psychics to like help

837
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,960
them and things, so I don't think it's nothing. I've

838
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:36,000
also had experiences with telepathy. I was working at a

839
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,599
bookstore and they were the gal that ran that bookstore.

840
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,280
She would practice telepathy with her mom. I think they

841
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,840
would hold up one of three shapes and then the

842
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,440
other would try to figure out what was the one

843
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,440
of the three shapes they were looking at. And one

844
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,599
day I couldn't remember how to pronounce her name, so

845
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,159
thinking between the two pronunciations, and she just looks up

846
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,400
and says it. She says it's pronounced, and I won't

847
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,239
say her name, and as if she knew. And the

848
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,800
next day I was there at the bookstore and I

849
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,320
was like, did you like know what I was wondering

850
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,159
about with your name? And she's like, some things just

851
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:13,079
don't need to be discussed, like she just thought that

852
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:14,960
was a rabbit hole we didn't need to go down.

853
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,800
I was like, that's fine. I've even I've had times

854
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,400
in relationshs like long term relationships with like a girlfriend,

855
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,639
where I thought the phrase I love you in my

856
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,639
head and she'd respond I love you, and I'd be like,

857
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,639
I actually didn't say that out loud, and you know,

858
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,119
you could just carry on. It's like, okay, well there's

859
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,920
things that the things in this reality we don't totally understand,

860
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,639
and I mean I like them, they don't They don't

861
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,920
really scare me. They almost comfort me because it's that

862
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,559
there's always more than meets the eye, and things never

863
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,800
get boring that way because it's like anything as possible.

864
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,960
And also no harm, no foul, right, like nothing bad happened.

865
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,159
So yeah, I wish I could just uh. I actually

866
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:02,199
had a dream the other day about ninety thousand. I

867
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,159
was like, or at least for sure it was ninety

868
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,199
and a bunch of zeros. And then the next day

869
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,519
I got on Instagram and the was it the power

870
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:10,920
Ball I think it was what was called or the

871
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,559
Mega Millions was ninety million dollars and I was like

872
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,360
scrambling to buy a ticket I was like, this might

873
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,679
be it, but then I had downloaded an app or something.

874
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,599
I was like, I don't want to give this at

875
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,760
my credit card info. So I might have missed my chance.

876
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,719
But that's fine because that'll keep me motivated to study

877
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,360
cows and substituteach, you know, write and stuff. Gotta stay hungry.

878
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,199
I can't be winning all this money'd be ridiculous.

879
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: Where can everyone find you out? So you say you're

880
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,440
right and you're doing all the studying on the cattle mutilations,

881
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,440
is there something you're going to be putting out in

882
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,360
regard to the mutilation discoveries that you've been looking into.

883
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much everything we talked about is on the

884
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,360
video I posted on sound Science, So just a little

885
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,840
alliteration for people sound Science on YouTube. And then Ganymede

886
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,960
that's like the the Greek myth Ganymede underscore Graham like

887
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:06,599
Instagram on Instagram is my page there, And yeah, I'd

888
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:09,280
be open to talk to people about paranormal stuff anytime.

889
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,320
I talk to former students about like the cow stuff,

890
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,079
and you know, whoever's interested in these things, because the

891
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:19,039
mystery is just I mean, it's so cool, it's it's

892
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,679
the perfect mystery, especially the cow stuff, because you can

893
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,360
understand just enough of it to feel like you're making progress,

894
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:26,320
but you can't ever get all of it to feel

895
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,719
like you got it wrapped up. So it's, uh, yeah,

896
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,079
I'll probably be wondering about it for a long time.

897
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,239
But yeah, those two, those two sites that would be

898
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,400
It Sounds Science on YouTube and then Ganymede Graham on Instagram.

899
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: Awesome. Make sure to send me the links to that,

900
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,679
and then I will include those in the show notes

901
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,400
for anyone listening. Awesome, But I think we can probably

902
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,679
wrap this one up. Is there anything else before we

903
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,599
do that you would like to discuss?

904
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:59,599
Speaker 1: I just really appreciate the opportunity. It's it felt like

905
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:01,920
a way on my shoulders to discover this pattern and

906
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,719
feel like, oh, I kind of tell somebody I don't like.

907
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,280
I don't like knowing things that are kind of like

908
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,960
that interesting and not being able to talk about it,

909
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,920
especially since it's the summer and I'm not teaching, not

910
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:13,760
that this is something I'm probably going to bring up

911
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,320
at school, although there might be some high schoolers, like

912
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,519
the certain type of dudes that might, you know, I

913
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:21,559
could talk to them about it. But I just really

914
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,480
appreciate the opportunity to talk to you about this, and uh, yeah,

915
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:25,320
thank you very much.

916
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,159
Speaker 3: Hey, not a problem. I appreciate having you on. Thank

917
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,800
you for being an awesome guest. And you brought some

918
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,800
fascinating information that I never knew, especially when it comes

919
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,679
to gal mutilation. So that's something I'm going to actually

920
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,440
start digging into myself. So definitely appreciate it.

921
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: Excellent, and I'm sure we'll be talking again sometimes.

922
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,679
Speaker 3: Definitely. You have a good night, you too.

923
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,159
Speaker 1: Bye.

924
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 3: If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels,

925
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,519
remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at

926
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:57,239
gmail dot com or go to tenfoiltales dot com and

927
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,360
go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me

928
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,039
around on all this social media is and just remember

929
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,760
truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay

930
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,159
the price?

931
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: I've heard a story be laid last night about something

932
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,360
alert along a wood line, huge foot print, strange.

933
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: Lights in the sky.

934
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: They claim it's nothing, but I know they light it,

935
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:31,079
sees theer laughing to laugh in my face. But something

936
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,639
about this.

937
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: Makes me say, what if it's real? What if they knew?

938
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: What if the answers are coming from you, spending story,

939
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,880
wasting minds time. Hearing Boy says, is it all in

940
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,119
their minds? They can call me crazy, but I just want.

941
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,559
Speaker 1: Them from What if it's true?

942
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Speaker 3: What if it's really?

943
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Speaker 1: What if it's true?

944
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Speaker 2: What if the worlds not what we knew till? All?

945
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The tales blend me a story that starts where the

946
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line it gets? What if it's reach? What if it's true?

947
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The answers are waiting, They're waiting for you. They see

948
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,079
if the dog man walking, or maybe am offman flies

949
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above the very giants hidden beneath the lies.

950
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,079
Speaker 1: They say, it's just stories.

951
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 2: It's all they believe, the fairy tale sport of things

952
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,360
we can't perceive. They want to keep us blindly, They

953
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,800
want to break our wheel.

954
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,639
Speaker 1: But I'm not buying it.

955
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,559
Speaker 2: I'm not swallowing another pill, force fed poison. The lines

956
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were made to what if.

957
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: The truth could set us free?

958
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:57,079
Speaker 2: The alien signals traveling through time secret space protograms are

959
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:58,760
racing their minds.

960
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: They call them crazy, but I just need some fruit.

961
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,320
What if it's true?

962
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,639
Speaker 2: What if it's real? What if it's true? What if

963
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:15,199
the worlds not what we do? Tim Foil tells fully

964
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,000
Me and a story that starts where the logic iss.

965
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: What if it's real?

966
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: What if it's true?

967
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: The answers are waiting, but they're weighing for you. They

968
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,000
they lie.

969
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,039
Speaker 1: We all been dining.

970
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: The signs are there if you open your eyes, Aliens, cricktics,

971
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,480
demon's ghost, the getul them two.

972
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: What if it's me?

973
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: What if it's real?

974
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: What if it's real? What if it's true? What if

975
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:55,679
the world's not what we do? Ten Foil tells fully me,

976
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a story that starts where the logic.

977
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: What if it's reading?

978
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: What if that's true?

979
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: The answers are waiting, they're waiting for you.

980
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 1: It's all in our heads. It's always our binders. These

981
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voices can be silence.

982
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,559
Speaker 3: The truth must rise.

983
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:19,599
Speaker 2: Temple tells it's pulling me.

984
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,119
Speaker 1: What if it's reading?

985
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Speaker 2: What if it's true,