WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:08.320 All right, you ready? Yes, So my co host Balky, 2 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:11.960 I've been told nobody appreciates a good vacation, unlike my 3 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:13.400 friend Eric Balkman. 4 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:15.279 Where is this coming from? Who? 5 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:17.239 Who is it going to be here? You know what's 6 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:19.920 funny is I don't remember, but I know someone told 7 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:23.320 me specifically to comment on how much you love vacation. 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.039 Ax Oh, Alex, Yeah, yeah, I don't like him. 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:27.640 Yeah at all. 10 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.199 That's a strange way to feel about things. I think 11 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:34.960 it's because I'm very like I don't like people doing 12 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:39.479 like covering for me while I'm gone. So I still 13 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:42.880 work when I'm on vacation, which is difficult because you're 14 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:45.119 supposed to be doing other stuff with your family, and 15 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.799 I still have to like work extra before the vacation starts, 16 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:50.759 and then I have to catch up after it ends. 17 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.600 So it's a huge disruption that nobody needs. Is that? 18 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.200 Is that the Fantasy Football show? Or is that all 19 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:56.640 the jokes? 20 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:59.920 Like my because I have two full time jobs, yeah 21 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:02.880 plus this, which isn't really a job. Sure, Yeah, I 22 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:05.239 have two full time jobs where I still I'll have 23 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.640 to wake up before everybody else, yeah, Pepper, and work 24 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:10.680 where I can throughout the day and then go to 25 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:12.760 bed after everybody else, you know what I mean. It's 26 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.239 just one of those things. So it's yeah, it's I'm 27 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:17.719 still doing shows when I'm down there. I'll be Florida 28 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:19.719 next week. I'm still doing shows when I'm down there. 29 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.079 I'm still doing all this other stuff. But nobody cares. 30 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.120 How about that that he's going to be gonext Basically 31 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:28.159 I brought it up so when I wanted to make 32 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:29.400 a joke, it was successful. 33 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.719 It was hilarious save the tea's because this show is 34 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:35.200 not taking a week off next Yes, I won't be 35 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:36.879 on it, but it'll be fun for the for the 36 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:38.480 listeners to hear what's going on next week? 37 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.719 Yeah, yeah, right now? Or you mean at the end, yeah, 38 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:44.079 because right now we're doing back room Yeah, And that's 39 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.120 all that really matters. And this is going to be 40 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.120 interesting one because and I'm going to preface this out 41 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:50.840 there right now. I don't want to sound like I 42 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:52.879 didn't like this movie at all, but let's just say 43 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:54.920 one of us has a much higher opinion of what 44 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.840 they watched than no, and. 45 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:01.599 God bless it, why can't we haven thing? Well? Maybe, 46 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.239 but this might be better for the for the podcast. 47 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.599 Oh absolutely, And again it's just a matter of and 48 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:11.759 I said, did you buy chance to get a chance 49 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:13.919 to see Cube or no? 50 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:14.680 No, I no worries. 51 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:16.759 That's all right, that's all right. But it's just I'm 52 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.840 gonna be very interested in your thoughts because I want 53 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.639 to start off on all of the positive and there's 54 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.840 plenty to talk about in the world of positive. 55 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.240 Here, which, by the way, just real quick, since this 56 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:28.120 is off topic. I did look at the cast for Cube. Yeah, 57 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.719 and there's a character in there or an actor in 58 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.000 there who was on the Red Green Show. I don't 59 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:34.840 think you know the Red Guys. 60 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:35.520 I don't know. 61 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.120 It's a Canadian TV show that was on Wisconsin. Well, 62 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.680 I mean it was on public broadcast television years ago, 63 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.159 like when I was in grade school. And it's it's 64 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.039 said at this Canadian lodge, you know, like like a 65 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.280 membership lodge or whatever, and it's all these you know, 66 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.080 older guys that you know, get into situations or whatever. 67 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.960 But anyway, I watched it religiously because I thought it 68 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:57.319 was hilarious. There's a lot of outdoor stuff, a lot 69 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:59.439 of outdoors humor on there, and I watched it religiously 70 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:01.680 on Thursday Night, and there is an actor in Cube 71 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.000 who used to be on The Red, which is weird. 72 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:06.080 I think there's a lot of Canadian actors in Cube. 73 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:06.879 I don't know if it was. 74 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:07.919 Yeah, it's a Canadian. 75 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:10.080 Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. 76 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:11.439 You know what's funny is I brought it up with 77 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:14.280 W A p LS. John Jordan, and he sent me 78 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.840 a picture later on that day of the DVD case 79 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.599 to Cube one, two, and zero. 80 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:19.520 Wow, he has all of them. 81 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:21.599 He has all of them all, like physical copies of 82 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:23.000 all of them. I was like, right on. And then 83 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:24.479 he's like, I'm going to watch him just because you 84 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:26.360 got me in the movie, so he's seen him before. 85 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.840 Yeah, did did he have share your disappointment with the 86 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:31.039 second one? Yeah? 87 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.080 Okay, no universally, Oh it's sad. 88 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:33.560 Okay. 89 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.680 One recaptures. It brings time travel in and like if 90 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:40.800 you're going to bite off time travel, like I can 91 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.280 watch Terminator two and be like, you know, there's elements 92 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:45.319 of this that don't make sense, but that's okay because 93 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.120 this movie rocks, like you really have to do it right. 94 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.800 And Cube was like, we don't care at all, We're 95 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:52.919 just we're just gonna put time travel in this and 96 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:53.719 then it's gonna happen. 97 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:55.919 Yeah, that's yeah. You don't want to play with elements 98 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.280 like that, then now there is there is time elements 99 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.759 in back Rooms as well. And I think before we 100 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:02.800 get started, we'll just give the premise of this. Yeah 101 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:04.159 you correct me where I'm ron? Yeah? 102 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:04.439 Please. 103 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:10.599 This is a film about a literally what it's called 104 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:16.680 backrooms of this furniture store that is supposedly in an 105 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:23.040 extra dimensional entity, extra dimensional area, and these it's just 106 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:27.040 a maze of backrooms with weird objects inside and people 107 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.759 are wandering there and there's potentially dangers in there as well. 108 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.079 And it's all based on the YouTube series called Backrooms, 109 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:39.399 which was created by Cane Pixels aka Kane Parsons, and 110 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:44.279 he has a whole there's probably like thirty or forty videos, 111 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:48.759 short videos, some are longer on YouTube about you know, backrooms, 112 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.279 and so this was kind of like the big break, 113 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.279 the big feature on this as he really expanded on this. 114 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.480 But you don't need to really watch those YouTube videos 115 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.120 to enjoy this film, did you. I watched a few 116 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:05.120 of them afterwards. 117 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:08.199 Okay, I didn't see any of them, and I didn't 118 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.439 feel like I was confused or lost at any point. 119 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:12.040 Oh good, then we should talk about this because I 120 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:14.279 feel like I was confused and lost at certain points. 121 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.920 Maybe not a ton, but yeah, I just don't have 122 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:19.560 the time to watch all of them right now. Oh sure, 123 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:23.920 but the ones I did see, I don't know, man, 124 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.639 Maybe this is just my jam, but this was really 125 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.240 I even said to you. Maybe I didn't tell you this. 126 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.439 This was one of the few films that I wanted 127 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.800 to see a second time. Yeah, and I wanted to 128 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:36.920 see it again before we did the podcast. It didn't happen. 129 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.639 I got wrapped into Spider Noir on video sided to 130 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.399 watch that and I didn't have to, but I chose 131 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.199 to watch that. But yeah, dude, I just I think 132 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.879 everything about this, the lighting, the creepy liminal space aspect 133 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.319 of it. 134 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.079 Even just the theming of the whole, the whole, like 135 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.319 it was very relatable. Like there's very little dialogue, but 136 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.240 I think with the I have there, they really do 137 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:06.759 a good job of driving home like what at least 138 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:10.199 the directors trying to get across the finish line there, 139 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:12.879 in my opinion a ways, airin the Intern reached out 140 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.639 to me because she introduced me to the back rooms 141 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.079 when she was interning twenty four She's like, yeah, don't 142 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:19.680 you know what the backrooms are. I'm like, this is 143 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:21.920 the first I'm hearing about it. She tells me about 144 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:23.879 what it is. I said, well, that's the dumbest sounding 145 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:25.160 thing I've ever heard in my life. 146 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:32.040 What I'm blown away? Not only do you did you 147 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.279 not enjoy this film? Well I shouldn't say you didn't 148 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:35.240 enjoy this fil yeah. 149 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:36.959 Because I will see it a second time, absolutely not 150 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:38.639 in theaters, But I mean this. 151 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:43.439 Whole aspect, I mean this, this doesn't the whole idea, 152 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:45.879 the whole premise of this doesn't creep you out. 153 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.279 The movie did a better job of driving that point 154 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:49.920 home for me. 155 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.279 How much of the back rooms videos have you seen 156 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:53.120 on YouTube? I have not. 157 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.839 I'm going solely based off of air in the intern's 158 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.720 description of it. And then one picture she's like, yeah, 159 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.319 look these rooms. She's like, picture this but forever. And 160 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:04.720 I was like okay, and she was like it's called 161 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.879 a liminal space, and I'm like okay. I was like, 162 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.360 this is what gen Z's into. Like, you guys don't 163 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:14.560 know what the hell you're talking about. And I think 164 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.879 it's amazing. I think the idea of this is is 165 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:22.720 tremendous seeing it enacted with a professional flair. Not a 166 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.720 ton of money, but you know, a million dollars behind 167 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.920 what was ultimately put together. There ten times the budget 168 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.879 of what we reviewed last week on Obsession. I get 169 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.120 it now. And I was putting myself in a I 170 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:35.839 always mispronounced his name Chueto. 171 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.879 I think it's the quote me. 172 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.360 I'm just gonna call him Victor sweet going forward so 173 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.199 that we can skip. 174 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.199 All that baron morto whatever. 175 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.399 But seeing the way he reacted, I was putting myself 176 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:51.079 in that position. 177 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:52.959 Okay, well, I just have to say this real quick. 178 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:56.399 I went to Doctor Strange. You went to Four Brothers. 179 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.920 Dude was nominated for Best Actor for twelve Years of Slave, 180 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.040 and neither one of us went to and I can't 181 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.279 even remember what his name was, and that terrible. 182 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.279 He has far more accolades, but for my money, either 183 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.720 one of the like from an entertainment value, you know. 184 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.399 Yeah, twelve years. It makes me sad. 185 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.079 Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. Nothing against that movie, 186 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:19.360 but you know, but in any event, trying to put 187 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:26.680 myself in his position, it did. It helped me internalize 188 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.800 just how creepy it is, because my biggest real world 189 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:34.440 fear is being perceived as crazy when I know I 190 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:36.679 am beyond a shadow of a doubt right about what 191 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:37.279 I am saying. 192 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.200 Okay, but you know what's scary about that, Ben, And 193 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:40.639 I know this is probably going to hit me at 194 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:42.919 some point in my life because I've had parents, or 195 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:47.519 not parents, I've had grandparents hit with Alzheimers. Yeah. Absolutely, 196 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.399 And I feel like eventually that that's going to happen 197 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.080 to me, and you will think you are one right, And. 198 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.639 Dude, you need to see Black Mirror. There's an episode. 199 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.080 But I don't want to get too far off topic, 200 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.440 but that's that's like what you're described, Like, I can 201 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:02.519 feel it in my spine right now, just you even 202 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:04.000 saying that, because that's well. 203 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:05.840 Some of some of those are like the best kind 204 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.399 of horror movies too, where you're you have the unreliable 205 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.399 narrator and you're seeing it from that angle and you're like, 206 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:14.480 oh my god, everybody else is crazy this guy's and 207 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:17.039 then like Shutter Island is a perfect example that where 208 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.720 you're like, Okay, something's going on here, and and then 209 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.759 you're like, oh, my god, it's it's. 210 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.000 A shitty movie. But Thor the Dark No, Thor the 211 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.799 Dark World too is a shitty no, no shut. Her 212 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.039 Island's great, predictable but great. But but uh thor two 213 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:34.480 when Eric Selvig Scarsguard's dad, he's in a mental institution 214 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.759 the entire time, and then he walks out with a 215 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:38.799 bag full of pills and then you see the flock 216 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.000 of birds appear from a portal out of nowhere and 217 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.200 basically scare the crap out all of them, and he 218 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.879 throws that and he uh like looks at him smiling, 219 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:47.759 and they're like, why are you smiling right now? And 220 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.159 he's like, there's nothing better than realizing the whole world's 221 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.320 crazier than you are, and shows him throw the pills 222 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.159 away and keep walking. I'm like, I love that. 223 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.120 I love that you call him Scarsguard's dad, where I 224 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.600 think of stelling Scarsguard as scars Guard and the other 225 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.840 guys are his sons. Yeah, you know what I mean. 226 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.159 It's just the you know, it's the context of how 227 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.399 I'm talking about it, but get it. But in any event, 228 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:12.639 so the movie helped me understand where the phenomenon stemmed 229 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:13.600 from Yeah. 230 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:15.320 By the way, do you know the original So the 231 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:20.759 creepy pasta on this is it came from? I can't. 232 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.240 According to Wikipedia, it came from somebody posting on like 233 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:28.480 four Chan. I think of like, hey, post a weird 234 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.759 post a photo of something that just doesn't feel right 235 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:34.480 to you, you know, So somebody posted this photo. I 236 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.120 mean you go in the back Room's Wikipedia. It's it's 237 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.399 a shot that looks very similar to what we see 238 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.679 in the back Rooms film and and and there. 239 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.320 Which is a hobby lobby in Oscar. 240 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.480 Gosh, Wisconsin, which is what I wanted to bring up. Yeah, 241 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:51.799 so so the so then since then, like stuff has 242 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:54.480 under like they've they've made changes. There was like a 243 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.240 race track there or something like a model race car 244 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:58.080 track or something. 245 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.480 A coworker of ours used to go there. It's a 246 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.200 very surreal moment for him that everybody's learning about this. 247 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.360 He's like, I remember doing this, yeah. 248 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.559 Yeah, and now it's I think that somebody else bought 249 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:10.440 it and they ripped it all up, So it's totally 250 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:14.279 different now. But that's where the original photo stem from, 251 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.799 was in Osh Gosh, Wisconsin. 252 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.039 Yeah, which they don't lean into in the movie. Which 253 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.799 is disappointing. I think they intentionally keep it vague. It 254 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.279 actually reminded me of and it's very Okay, let me 255 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:27.679 start here. I have so many thoughts that I want 256 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.440 to say about the setting because the whole concept and 257 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:31.759 I don't know, and I'm going to look at the 258 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.480 time now and if you determine what I. 259 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.919 Said as a spoiler, then I'll take it out. Now. 260 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:37.559 It's going to be tough to do this without well 261 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.360 maybe we can, but just real quick before you say anything. 262 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.559 As long as they're talking setting, Yeah, I love the 263 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:46.000 nineteen nineties. 264 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.080 Well, that's what I want to bring up about it. 265 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.919 So the whole concept of the back Rooms, it is 266 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.399 essentially a living entity trying to recreate the earth. Is 267 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.399 that a fair thing without spoiling anything? 268 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.960 But it's like, I don't know if we know that exactly. 269 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.399 We know that there's something supernatural. Can I use the 270 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.120 dog analogy that's used in this movie? Absolutely? Okay? 271 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.480 Yeah, So the way they describe it is picture if 272 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:09.759 you've never seen. 273 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.360 This is this is by the way, this is chielte 274 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:16.519 Chel for his character trying to explain the back rooms 275 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.919 to his therapist. Yes, and so if there's a point 276 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:24.519 in the movie where he discovers this area underneath his store, 277 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.639 right yeah, that he was not aware of, and it 278 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.879 was it's a really weird, creepy, uncanny thing. And he's 279 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:33.840 trying to explain this to his therapist, which he had 280 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:35.840 already been seeing a therapist, like this was not his 281 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.559 first okay, So she's trying to understand what he's talking 282 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.559 about and what he sees down there. And then he 283 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.279 uses the analogy and. 284 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.559 He says, picture if you've never seen a dog, So 285 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:49.120 I described one to you, like I justri like, oh, well, 286 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.279 Bashan has has poofy white hair and a nose like 287 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.600 this and legs like this. And then I asked you 288 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:57.279 to draw it. You'd get eighty percent of it right, 289 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.080 but there would be obvious things because you've never seen it. 290 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.320 It's not right, it's not perfect. 291 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:02.600 It's off. 292 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.600 Yeah, And that's what the back rooms creates. So then 293 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.440 because of how I watched movies, the director of this 294 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:11.919 movie was born after nine to eleven. He had nothing 295 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.519 to do with the nineties, so he is recreating the 296 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:15.559 nineteen nineties. 297 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:19.840 Ben Yeah, from stuff being told to him, exact stuff 298 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:20.240 he seen. 299 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:21.879 He didn't live it, and you and I are sitting 300 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.320 there having been, you know, having experienced the nineties at 301 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.759 slightly different points of our life, and I'm like, I 302 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.159 get that, like just the sheer mundaneness of the nineties 303 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.000 because we weren't hyper connected, right, Like, there were elements 304 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:34.720 of it that I was like, oh, this feels like 305 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.000 the nineties, and other moments where I was like, well. 306 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:42.120 The wardrobe, yeah, the furniture, yeah, the cars, the home 307 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:46.120 settings like a CHAA four his home, the therapist's home, yeah, 308 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:49.840 stuff like that. It really brought me back, and I think, 309 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.759 and maybe this is why I liked it more than you, 310 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.159 is I remember in the nineties. I mean I was 311 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:59.639 I was a teenager beginning in nineteen ninety two, and 312 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:05.039 I was teenager until nineteen ninety eight. So ninety two 313 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.840 to ninety eight, I'm a teenager. That's the thick of 314 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:13.960 the nineties, okay, And your brain probably undergoes the most 315 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:18.559 changes in that time period, right, And so for me 316 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:23.759 seeing this and bringing me back to that definitely stirred 317 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.279 up some things and it made it even creepier, sure, 318 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:31.600 to to sort of live out something that I never 319 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.440 lived out, but I did live out anyway we're getting well. 320 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.440 Wait, it's it's the kind of theming that I can 321 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:41.679 appreciate though, because I'm like, oh, I get that element 322 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.240 of it, and I think he does a very good job. 323 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.519 It's a very good approximation of what the nineties are like. 324 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.480 I I'll save that for another time, but I use 325 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.399 the backrooms as an example in Outside the Box. I'm like, 326 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.840 this is like a backrooms version of Outside the Box. 327 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.399 It's like someone heard what I do and they're trying 328 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:58.879 to copy it, but they really don't get it. 329 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:01.960 Now. Now, the other thing that we should bring as 330 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.000 long as we're talking about the copying of this, is this. 331 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.759 I mean, what's the commentary on AI in this? You 332 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.960 know what I mean? There's something like Mark Duplas's character 333 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:19.000 we really don't see significantly until the final portion of 334 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:22.480 the movie, but there's something else going on, like similar 335 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:27.120 to was it the season three is Stranger Things or 336 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:29.399 I can't remember what it was, but we find out 337 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:31.559 in season three. I think it was the opener that 338 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:36.279 the premiere that the Russians have found the upside down 339 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.080 or whatever, and so I think there's something there's a 340 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.720 similar sort of aspect to back rooms of like this 341 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:46.360 is kind of known by other people other than the 342 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.159 main protagonist and then the therapist and what have. 343 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:51.799 You, a little bit of world building. If they go 344 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.799 the sequel route, there's enough pieces in place where they 345 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:55.960 could expand upon it. 346 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:01.320 There is an endless I mean, I went I googled 347 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.960 because if like some of these YouTube shorts that were 348 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:08.559 showing up in my feed, they're ranking the scariest entities 349 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.279 that are in the back rooms, you know, that occupy 350 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.440 the backrooms, and it's stuff that's really freaking stuff that 351 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:17.720 shouldn't freak me out, but it did. And then I'm 352 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:20.559 like the rabbit hole I fell down with all these 353 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:23.120 different you know, the creepy pasta stuff that that people 354 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:28.799 come up with, you know, Jeff the Killer and Ted 355 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.799 the Caver or whatever it was called. It's it's really 356 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.240 messed up, nightmare fuel stuff, you know. And so then 357 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:37.600 I'm like, I watched this YouTube short ranking like the 358 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.200 top five scariest entities in the back rooms. I'm like, well, 359 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.399 there's got to be more than that. It's it's it's 360 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.480 it's fan fiction. It's it's it's on the internet. It's 361 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:49.399 on Reddit, it's on four Chune it's it's it's everywhere. 362 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.600 So everybody has this huge list. I mean, you can't 363 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.399 even and Kane Parsons, granted he didn't come up with 364 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.840 all this, but I'm sure he wants to pay off 365 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:00.399 some of this stuff that fans have come up with, 366 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:05.079 you know, for this you there's I mean we could 367 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:08.000 be talking about like Fast X or or you know, 368 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:10.079 something like just do ten movies of this stuff and 369 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.680 I'll watch it. Yeah, and I think people will do. 370 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:13.240 It's doing great at the box office. 371 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:15.920 It's absolutely crushing it, and I mean, I think that's 372 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.440 what a lot of the purests, I think that's their 373 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.799 main gripe with it. I've heard them call this boomer schlock, 374 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:24.359 this back room a version because they're mad that it 375 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.279 doesn't have a lot of this stuff that I'm only 376 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.519 learning about, either in preparation for this or literally hearing 377 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.640 you say it right now. And I think if that 378 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.200 might be my biggest gripe with it. And it's kind 379 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:39.160 of creating esque. But there's such long, creepy moments of 380 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.839 nothing happening. And I will not spoil what the creature 381 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.880 is in in this movie. 382 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:47.559 Well it's I mean, hold on before you say creature. 383 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.000 Entity. No, and no, not that. 384 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.400 I just I feel like to assume that there is 385 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.079 only one. 386 00:17:57.400 --> 00:17:59.880 Right, that's my point, But there really is only one. 387 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.720 I don't know about that in the movie. Yeah, in 388 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:04.480 the movie I'm talking about there's only one. 389 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:09.200 I think that there are other things that we don't 390 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:16.720 exactly know what they are, but but they're definitely not inanimate. Yeah, okay, 391 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:20.000 there's other things down there, Yeah, and what they are 392 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:23.079 I don't know. I think they kind of tell you 393 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:24.759 a little bit at the end, but then I'm not sure. 394 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.519 We have to talk about the ending at some point too. 395 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:31.319 But there is one dominant, scary sort of thing, yeah, 396 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.000 you know down there. 397 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.480 And it's practical that we know of. There's definitely more. 398 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:39.519 Well, think about this, Think about how this movie opens. 399 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:43.000 Remember it's it's a found footage opening. Yeah, right, And 400 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.519 what was there at the end of that found footage 401 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.720 that couldn't have been right, you know? Or was it 402 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:49.200 the same? 403 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:52.559 But I don't know, we don't know, We don't know it, right, Yeah, 404 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.039 And like again, you can do it well without having 405 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.680 seen it. But there's just there's long lulls of atmosphere 406 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.839 building and I would have welcomed maybe like this might 407 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:03.680 be the creting part of me, but like I would 408 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.680 have welcomed two or three more things to make me go, oh, 409 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.000 I'm unsettled looking at this thing. And I would have 410 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.440 liked to see the imagination. And that could be budgetary 411 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:14.359 for the record, I mean, if you've got a million 412 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.000 dollar budget and Victor Sweet is in the movie, that's 413 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:18.720 a big portion of the budget right there. 414 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:19.039 It's true. 415 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.119 And then you got the rest of the cast, which 416 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:24.039 isn't working for free, everybody behind the scenes. So like, 417 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.160 there comes a time when very obviously, assuming the success 418 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.519 of this, we're probably going to see a twenty million 419 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:32.119 dollar budget for the sequel here, and I imagine a 420 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:34.039 little bit more fanfare. 421 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.480 I guess, but I mean I don't. I think part 422 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:37.160 of what makes this so great I was bringing this 423 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.599 up on your show, this analog horror. I mean, the 424 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:44.200 first back rooms video that you see on YouTube is 425 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.599 I mean costs like nothing. And then he used Kane 426 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:49.880 Parsons that he used some I can't remember what programming 427 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:52.720 used to create some other stuff in there. And it's 428 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:57.519 like it's it's lower than low budget and it's scary 429 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.519 as all get up. Yeah, and so I think, like, 430 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.039 even if you do something like this again, you don't 431 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:06.119 necessarily need to break the bank. I think part of 432 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.559 what was so great about this was that it was 433 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:11.599 so low budget. And you know, I think back of 434 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:16.759 we talked about I compared obsession to undertone done right. Yes, 435 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.920 And I think backrooms applies here as well, because this 436 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:26.200 was another thing that you know, I'm unsettled by seeing 437 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.680 some of this stuff that obviously seems out of place. 438 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.519 This goes back to the whole liminal, liminal space aspect. Right, 439 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.839 So if you're in a backroom, this huge back room 440 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.240 and they're mostly empty, there's some random stuff in it, 441 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.440 that's creepy because we are we go in rooms that 442 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.079 are full of stuff for a reason. We go into 443 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.440 a conference room here at the station and it's empty, 444 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.200 or we go in a classroom and it's empty. That's 445 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.839 a little creepy, right, because there's chairs in there, there's 446 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:57.720 a table. This is set up for human life, and 447 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:02.160 there's no human life in there. Long hallways in hotels, 448 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:10.920 backrooms underneath furniture stores, deserted malls, spaces that were built 449 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:17.880 to be housing flourishing human life. There's nothing there and 450 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.960 it's quiet and nothing's moving. 451 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:23.720 So is that a comment on modern society? Like I 452 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:26.680 left that theater to go into a movie theater, like 453 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.680 the physical theater, to go into the bulk of the theater. 454 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:31.359 Now nobody's standing there. 455 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.119 Okay, yes, Okay. 456 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.400 You go to the mall and you see ten percent 457 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:37.759 of the people that you're using. We've talked about the mall. 458 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:39.640 You go, we did Mortal Kombat. Be like, yeah, you 459 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:41.640 went to the mall, just a freaking hang out. You 460 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:43.559 weren't even going to buy something. It was just everybody 461 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:45.559 was at the mall. That were lines everywhere, people everywhere. 462 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:47.319 Now it's a ghost town. A lot of the gen 463 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.960 Z people who grew up on this back room stuff. 464 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:52.680 This is the only version of America they know. Is 465 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.720 almost like a backrooms version of America. Yeah, which is 466 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:57.480 kind of crazy when you think about it, which I 467 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:58.279 love that element. 468 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:03.640 The way to see this movie is you wait until 469 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:05.680 it's just out of just about to be out of theaters, 470 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:09.079 and nobody knows and you're the only ones seeing back 471 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:13.519 rooms in an empty theater. Mother of God, wear a diaper, 472 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.240 you know, just that that kind of stuff. So obviously 473 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:20.039 I'm I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but I think 474 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.880 that's that's what did it for me. And then and 475 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.720 then at the point, now I didn't, you know, maybe 476 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:26.400 I should have broken it down. I did read some 477 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:31.119 stuff on the internet. But why are these objects here? 478 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:34.000 Why are they placed in the order they are? Why 479 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:36.960 do they seem a little off. There's a scene with 480 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.960 a bunch of laundry. Yeah, and I found this out 481 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.880 on the internet afterwards. But in the laundry is a 482 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:48.240 T shirt of one of the characters who enters the 483 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.400 back rooms, right, And I don't know if it was 484 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.799 a perfect copy of it or you know, if it 485 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.559 was the actually you know, I don't know. Yeah, and 486 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.039 and so stuff like that is just it's just like 487 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.400 and then you you know, why is there a pool? 488 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.720 Why is there a random pool? Why do we have 489 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:10.640 these weird tunnels and passageways that seem to throw off 490 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:12.720 your sense of gravity a little bit and throw off 491 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:19.160 your sense of the There's a staircase, uh that seemingly 492 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:23.400 goes to a door on a ceiling, which you don't 493 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.680 have doors like that on a ceiling, like a regular door. 494 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.440 You will be you know, in these close confined spaces 495 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:32.960 in this movie with the protagonist, and then all of 496 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.279 a sudden, I'll open up to this wide, huge chasm 497 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.000 that that that has that that's not it that that 498 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.599 was designed like there's there's actual details in there, and. 499 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.559 It's it's just it's so weird, right. 500 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.880 And so creepy. And the lighting and the way that 501 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:55.039 they you know, you have this feel of like this weird. 502 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.279 I mean, I don't know, man, I've always been creeped 503 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:01.680 out by like this weird yellow fluorescent lighting, especially in 504 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.720 an empty room. And then the color, yeah, exactly, and 505 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.079 the color, like the color of the of this of 506 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:09.839 this right here in this production studio we're in. This 507 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:13.680 is not all that dissimilar maybe your coffee of of 508 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:19.759 the the colors of the of the walls in the 509 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:21.759 back rooms. And I was thinking back to the there's 510 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:24.880 a line in Ocean's eleven where they're setting up the 511 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.920 video camera to get access to all the cameras of 512 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:31.599 the casino and Clooney and pit A watch again and 513 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:36.079 Clooney goes, why do they always paint uh walls that color? 514 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.880 And Brad Pitt goes, well, they say, tope is soothing 515 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.759 or whatever. And I look at you know, like the 516 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.160 this tope ish kind of color, and I'm like, I 517 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.039 not soothed by this. Yeah, I don't know, man, Like 518 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.519 I just I'm I'm going off on this right now. 519 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.480 But I'm telling you that this element of these of 520 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:58.559 weird structures and yet familiar, and then the way that 521 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.000 that the film is shot, the way that it's lit, 522 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:05.880 it's it's super I mean easy to I shouldn't say 523 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:08.519 easy to do, but on the surface it's you know, 524 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.960 this is not brilliant Avatar cinematography, and yet it had 525 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.599 more of an effect on me than watching something like that. 526 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.279 And I'd argue, and I'm hopeful because you didn't mention this, 527 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.079 so you're either going to take all the wind out 528 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.319 of my sales or I'm so excited to tell you this. 529 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:24.279 But did you realize that the back rooms recreated the 530 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.720 furniture store commercial that was one of the rooms that 531 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.359 they were in. Okay, So, like all of it seems random, 532 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.599 And that's why I'm going to see it a second time, 533 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.880 because I did not realize that. The only reason I 534 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:36.880 did is because it normally that's the kind of shit 535 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.640 I realized. Yeah, but I went with Laura Lee from 536 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.519 apl and she was like, did you notice that they 537 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.960 redid the pirate the Pirate Clark commercial from the from 538 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.960 the opening, And I was like no, when she was 539 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.880 like when the shoes were there and the chair was there, 540 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.519 and I was like, I didn't put that together at all, 541 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.400 Like now I need to look at every scene in 542 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.119 the movie anyone. 543 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.000 Else they were creating, because I'm sure if we did 544 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:01.039 break that down. While it seems random on the surface, again, you. 545 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.480 Probably see it at random times throughout the entire movie, 546 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.200 even all the way up into the last scene. 547 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.160 It's not random, right, It's by design, right. 548 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.119 But it's by design. It's kind of like I always 549 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.960 refer back to this because, like I put this movie 550 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.720 in it follows territory. Like I know it's a good movie, 551 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:20.000 and I know I enjoy it, but there's just certain 552 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.039 elements I'm like, ah, I just wish it gave me 553 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.519 a little more of like the Bend style of movie. 554 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.279 And if you watch it follows you look at the 555 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.519 TVs and the TVs from the nineteen fifties, yea, the 556 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.160 cars are from the nineteen eighties. At one point, a 557 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.599 girl is using a makeup kit like a mirror and 558 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.519 she opens it and it looks like she's putting makeup on, 559 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.119 but it's a kindle that's not even a thing that exists, 560 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.440 so like there's no tech, like there's no way to 561 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.920 pinpoint exactly when this movie is happening, and there's like 562 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.839 something uneasy about that the entire movie. And this has 563 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.000 a similar effect like that, it's stuff you don't even notice. 564 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.440 It's the thing that I was like, wait a minute, those 565 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.480 cars weren't around at the same time that that TV 566 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:01.839 was around, and why does she have this? And it's 567 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:03.519 the subtle things. Then you watch it because I've seen 568 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:05.680 a third time, despite the fact I can't stop crap 569 00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:06.440 talking that movie. 570 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.640 Also, yeah, and. 571 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.680 You realize that she never mentions her dad. She never 572 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.680 talks about her dad in the movie, but there's a 573 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.480 picture of them randomly in one of the scenes, and 574 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.519 then at one point it takes the image of her dad, 575 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.640 but they don't even emphasize that it's her dad in 576 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.119 any way. You're just supposed to notice because you notice 577 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.519 the picture in the one random scene. And then that's 578 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.519 the guy who's following her at one point, clearly implying 579 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:29.920 that there were some nefarious things going on. Back in 580 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:31.519 the day. And it's the kind of thing where like, 581 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.759 if you're kind of watching it, you're like, this movie's fine, 582 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.000 be like no, that's attention to detail. That's good filmmaking, 583 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.960 and I should appreciate this more than I do. And 584 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:43.079 that's my best way of describing the back rooms as well. 585 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.640 There were so many scenes. At one point, the therapist 586 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.160 is having a flashback and it almost looks like a 587 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.839 crane is dropping stuff on them, and I was like, well, 588 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.720 it's the point of this scene. Like I kept waiting 589 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:54.799 for that to come back into it and like it doesn't, 590 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.720 and like, I'm sure it meant something that I don't 591 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.839 understand because I didn't notice something else in the movie. 592 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:02.759 But I was sitting there and I was like, wait, 593 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.160 what was that? Why is what? Did her mom die there? 594 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:07.759 Or she remembering that? But that's not what it is. 595 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.039 Don't worry, I can't spoil anything. Like, that's not what 596 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:11.640 it is at all. It had nothing to do with 597 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.279 the plot, at least in my perception for the rest 598 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:15.799 of the movie. 599 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:20.079 Do you feel like this film you mentioned the long 600 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.079 stretches without dialogue, do you feel like it would have 601 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.079 been more of a disservice to have more dialogue, because 602 00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.240 I feel like the less dialogue in this the better. 603 00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.000 And I feel and the other thing too, And you're 604 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.200 kind of making me realize this is we talk about it. 605 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.559 I feel like there's not a lot of dialogue on 606 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.680 purpose because we're supposed to notice other details, you know, 607 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.759 we're supposed to take in Okay, why is that there? Okay, 608 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.000 what's the purpose of this? Why was this place here? 609 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.759 Why are we seeing this? Why are you know? And 610 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.799 stuff like that. So I feel like, you know, more 611 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.640 dialogue probably would have heard it. And then you know, 612 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.680 when we do get that heavy dialogue scene at the 613 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.480 end of the movie, I have so many questions. 614 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.440 Yeah, after that, absolutely and like, to me the best 615 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.720 dialogue because I found myself thinking, I don't know. If 616 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.799 you've watched Room two forty three, which is a documentary 617 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.200 about the Shining the making of the Shining, there is 618 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.519 it's awesome. It's eight different movie theorists and they talk 619 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.039 about what they get out of the movie. 620 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:25.799 Oh really, And. 621 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:29.160 There's a there's a clip of Stanley Kubrick talking and 622 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.119 he says, I didn't want my actors to recreate He 623 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.440 holds up like a picture of a family smiling, but 624 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.359 like you never know what's happening when the picture is 625 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.119 not happening. He said, I don't want the people in 626 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.960 this film to recreate the photograph. I want them to 627 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.920 recreate a photograph of the photograph. And that has been 628 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.400 such a high level I'm not sure to understand it. Yeah, 629 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.920 Like that always resonated with me, and I found myself 630 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.920 thinking about that with the concept of the back rooms, 631 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.000 which the way, because there's a lot of like one 632 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.720 of the major themes is just re redoing your same 633 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.400 mistakes over and over again. And to me, that was 634 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.519 my favorite scene of the entire movie, is when the 635 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:10.200 psychiatrist goes in she runs into Clark, the main character, 636 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.440 and they have the same conversation word for word, yeah, 637 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.440 that they had earlier in the movie, but like much 638 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.359 more intense. And I was like, oh, like that. If 639 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:22.680 that scene didn't exist, I probably would have come in 640 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.160 here much more angry about this movie. But that scene 641 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.359 happened and I was like, Okay, no, this is good. 642 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:29.880 This is a good movie. I can understand why people 643 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.880 like this. And I'd argue it was like forty percent 644 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:33.559 of all the dialog in the movie. 645 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:35.880 Well you say that, but I mean there was I 646 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.359 mean the first half hour or so, there's a lot 647 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.119 of stuff going on. Sure, yeah, And that's a lot 648 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.160 of that set up. You know, he's talking to the 649 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.720 electrician coworkers, he's talking to this film crew, he's talking 650 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.319 with his therapist or whatever. Do we ever see his wife? 651 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:52.240 I don't think we ever see. 652 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.119 His Well I don't think so. 653 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:55.839 So there's a lot of setup to it, which is 654 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.920 good because then that that accentuates how the tone of 655 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:01.519 the entire film changes after that. 656 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.440 And this is two movies in a row where we're 657 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.359 talking about relatable themes because I think there's very few people. 658 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.039 I'm almost sporty, and I find my inner monologue sometimes 659 00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.519 being like, dude, you're twenty years removed from college, and 660 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:13.799 sometimes you still do the same bonehead and shit that 661 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.839 you were doing twenty years ago, Like what's the matter 662 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:17.920 with you? And then you sit there watching this movie 663 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.000 You're like, Ah, this movie speaks to me right now. 664 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.799 I think most people can probably relate to that kind 665 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.599 of attitude because we always can improve in some way, 666 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.200 And like that entire aesthetic of that scene, I don't 667 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.480 want to you know, the other people that were in 668 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:32.079 the room with them. 669 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.440 There's Yeah, so it's tough to it's tough to bring 670 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.559 that up. But I think we can talk about at 671 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.799 least certain things I want to talk about. Yeah, so 672 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.920 number one, what do you think happened to the character 673 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:52.599 that we see in that scene? But she doesn't say anything? 674 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:53.559 Yeah, okay, you know what? 675 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.519 Okay? All right? Now there are things on the plates 676 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:00.640 in that scene, or at least one the plates. 677 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:06.279 Okay, yeah, I don't remember, you do? Yeah, chewelte chea 678 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.200 for his character takes a hand. 679 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.839 Yeah, I remember. Okay, Yeah, what is that? You know 680 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:13.279 what I mean? 681 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.799 Well, I actually I have a theory about that. Okay, 682 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:17.279 but if I I. 683 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:18.519 Can't say it without it. 684 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.720 I don't even know. I'll be vague. Can you tell me? 685 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:27.799 Thirty two twenty? Okay, I think it's furniture stuffing because 686 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.200 that's what's on his mind. It can't be, but that's 687 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.920 that's him. He's a furniture store guy. So him, it's 688 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:34.200 a recreation of. 689 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:39.240 Okay, you can eat that stuff. No you can't, No, 690 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.839 you can't. It's it's something else. It's got to be 691 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.079 something else. I don't know what it means. 692 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.279 Like I said, I think a lot of the movie 693 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.279 went over my head, and I pride myself on it 694 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.079 being hard to get I'm tall man, it's hard to 695 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:50.839 get over that head. 696 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.640 Well what okay, So what is the theme you you mentioned, 697 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.240 you know, making the same mistake over and over again. 698 00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:57.839 I said, it's a commentary on AI. 699 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.720 Yeah, it's the making the same mistake. And I think 700 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.640 it's a commentary on gen Z's experience in America that 701 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.319 you and I can't relate to as much, but we're 702 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:10.920 slowly related. Even in the media world. I did radio 703 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:14.519 in a top thirty market that barely had more staff 704 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.079 than we do here in Appleton, and in two thousand 705 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.400 and three there were so many people working in that 706 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.839 building that at Pittsburgh Radio station had a correspondent in 707 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.200 the Middle East that we could reach out to any 708 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.599 point and bring them on the show to talk about 709 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.240 what was happening over there. And now we had one 710 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.359 reporter in general. And just like the reduction the shrinking 711 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.200 office spaces, whether you're talking about COVID or the fact 712 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.400 that people don't need as many spaces anymore, I think 713 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.240 there's just an element of I think he's saying a 714 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.279 lot of things about that, whether or not anything is 715 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.839 actually said, or whether or not it's just hearkening to 716 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.000 these feelings. I have no idea, but I think the 717 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:58.039 overarching theme because the back Rooms duplicates it's about duplicating 718 00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:02.039 your mistakes. It's about doing the same things. It feels repetitive. 719 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.519 The movie feels repetitive at times, but in a good way. 720 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.719 I think that's kind of the overarching theme of it. 721 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.480 I'm telling you that when they role play the conversation 722 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.519 with the wife the second time, I was like, Oh, 723 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:18.400 this is actually brilliant because like he knows, he's not 724 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:20.679 supposed to be saying this, and here he is saying 725 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.280 it again. I will say though, and I think we 726 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.480 might have talked about this off the air last week. 727 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.400 I do think his attitude and the way he carried 728 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.280 himself at that point was unjustified. Now, for all I know, 729 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.039 he was in the back Rooms for three weeks and 730 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.320 there was just a time jump he didn't see. Okay, 731 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.519 I found it unjustified. So that was a big issue. 732 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.719 Okay, So a couple of things with that. So number one, 733 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.000 when I see this again, when not if I have 734 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.360 to pay attention to the time stamps in the videos. Sure, 735 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.880 I have to pay attention to what is in what 736 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.119 we see in the back rooms compared to what we 737 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.400 see in the real world, and how long it takes 738 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.400 for us to see a version of that in the 739 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.559 back rooms. I think that's important as well. I'm also 740 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:10.400 unconvinced that well, I'm definitely unconvinced. I don't know how 741 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:13.719 time works in there. Sure, I mean it could work very, 742 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.519 very differently. We're talking about essentially another dimension, So I 743 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:17.440 don't know how time works. 744 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.760 Yeah, it's like Interstellar when you're on the island on 745 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.599 the planet, Like every time the thing beats, it's another 746 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.320 year of my life. Yeah, the did you know that? 747 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.039 By the way, like there's a clock ticking in that. 748 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.760 There was this this is Interstellar came out like what 749 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.400 two thousand and three, four six, six, okay, well whatever 750 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.199 it was, and it was so long an epic that 751 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.400 there's so much of that that I and it's one 752 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.719 of those Nolan things. Not to pick on Christopher Nolan, 753 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.000 because I think he does brilliant things, but man, there's 754 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.360 some of his movies, man, where there's just stretches where 755 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.400 I'm like, I am not intelligent enough to assume this. 756 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.360 And I personally try watching like that, that'll make you 757 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:55.239 feel so stupid. 758 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.079 So absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but yeah, in any event, so 759 00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:58.800 you don't know how the time. 760 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.840 Okay, So I don't know how time work. Except so 761 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.119 now Clark, who was the main character, could have been 762 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.719 in there, and and and this is one thing I 763 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.920 am pretty sure of. I think the more time you 764 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.920 spend in the back rooms, the worse it is for 765 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.760 your psyche and your sanity. And I think we get 766 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.639 you know, this other Mark Duplace's kind of group or whatever. 767 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.480 I think they're kind of getting that sense too. 768 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:25.960 He's becoming a horror icon. 769 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.320 By the way. 770 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:27.679 I don't know if you've ever seen creep. 771 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.199 Yeah, okay, So here's the other thing I was reading. 772 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:32.920 I think it was on Vulture today because I was 773 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.039 getting ready for this, and there was a link to 774 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:42.039 Mark Duplas's creep. Okay, and there was a link They 775 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.119 were talking about Mark Duplas's creep in this back rooms article. 776 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.079 So I click on the link and it brings up 777 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.599 it's like a story. I can't remember what website it is. 778 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:51.960 It's like one of these BuzzFeed type things, and it's 779 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.159 like found footage movies that are actually good. Yeah, right, 780 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.360 So obviously blair Witch is like the number one on there. 781 00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.000 They didn't really rank them, they just listed a bunch. 782 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.320 There's an of them, and they're showing screenshots for each one, 783 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.559 and I'm like, dude, that this is like two weeks 784 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.559 worth of stuff of stuff I need to see. And 785 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.760 his creep was on there. But I need to go 786 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.920 and read about some of these movies and see because 787 00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:13.599 I'm sure some of them. I'm like, I have to 788 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.760 see this, you know what I mean. 789 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.880 Be careful of that, because like, so, I was gonna say, 790 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.480 back Rooms is almost like this generation's blair Witch, like 791 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.920 something that if I were ten and this came out, 792 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.159 I'm like, wait, is the back Rooms real? Because I 793 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.119 was twelve when the blair Witch came out and I 794 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.199 was like, wait, am I actually watching these people get 795 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.079 like it was like a big thing. I'd argue blair 796 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:33.360 Witch isn't a very good movie. 797 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.039 I will tell you this. I didn't watch it until 798 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.199 the hype grew to a fever pitch and I was disappointed. 799 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.639 Yeah, I thought it was similar to this, not a 800 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:45.599 lot of dialogue, a lot of build up, but not 801 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.840 nearly as engaging or entertaining or yeah. 802 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:50.639 But I will say too, think about think about what 803 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.280 blair Witch it was like, all these unknowns. Sure you know, 804 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:58.199 unknown director, unknown writer, unknown actors, whereas this you actually have. 805 00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.840 And by the way, I should. I'm gonna get back 806 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.719 to Lark in a second, but I want to say 807 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.280 this before I forget. So the woman who played the therapist, 808 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.159 her name is I believe Renata Rensva rains Yeah, sure, 809 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:12.719 okay whatever r e I n s V pronounce that. 810 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.840 Do you know who was originally slated to play this character? 811 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.519 And maybe I Oh, no, I told stirfriy this. I 812 00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.679 didn't tell you this. Kristin Malatti from How I Met 813 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:26.440 your Mother and the Penguin Fan. She was the Falcone 814 00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.199 and she was supposed to play the therapist. But there 815 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.000 are scheduling stuffs and I've never heard of Branada Rensvit. 816 00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:36.880 I haven't no idea what else she's been in or whatever. Okay, 817 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:37.840 getting back to Clark. 818 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:40.719 So oh, and I do just want to say sorry 819 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:42.480 to interrupt, but the only reason I brought up blair 820 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.360 Witch is because Creep and Creep two are worth watching 821 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.000 most of that movies suck. I enjoyed both. 822 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:49.880 I'm going to send you a link to this because 823 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:51.719 I left it. I purposely left it open at work 824 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:53.360 because I'm like, I got to get into this. I'm 825 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.920 going to send you a link to it. And I'm 826 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.639 sure you've seen and definitely heard of some of these movies, 827 00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:59.599 but maybe some of you haven't. And they look they look, 828 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.079 i mean look pretty good anyway, and they could all 829 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.199 suck to who so so Clark clearly something happens to 830 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.920 him mentally, Okay, yes, when he's down. 831 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.639 There, h felt unjustified. 832 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.480 But we don't know. I'm gonna get to I'm gonna 833 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.519 get to that in a second. The scene where she 834 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:22.440 is kind of wandering around down there, and there's this 835 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.320 screenshot of like she like calls out like hello or 836 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:30.880 Clark or something, and then we just see this empty 837 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.639 hallway and then all of a sudden, it's just a 838 00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:34.559 real subtle move. 839 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.519 Yeah, yeah, that is it's just so good. 840 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:38.320 I know you don't. 841 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.440 I mean, it's just to me, it's like the creepy 842 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.159 how many people have ever been in a room and 843 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.440 you know nothing's in there with you, and you know 844 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.000 nothing's moving and your mind and your eyes start playing 845 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.639 tricks on you, and then this happened. I just thought 846 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.559 it was bro and your backs to a wall, a 847 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.440 literal wall. So it's like I gotta go forward. Yeah 848 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.119 you know what I mean? 849 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.280 Oh my god, like moving moving through these back rooms 850 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.360 like would have been terrifying. I would have been paralyzed 851 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.159 by fear and and I'll tell you, Okay, we're gonna 852 00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.599 talk about the justification for his reaction a second. What 853 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.840 was the justification? What was his obsession with going in there? Yeah? 854 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.920 I mean that must just be like a different Every 855 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.039 human's different. We all want to do different things. I 856 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:28.639 can't imagine if my fingers touched that wall, and not 857 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.039 only that. Yeah, I'm selling that store. I'm getting the 858 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:33.840 heck out of there, and I'm moving across the country. 859 00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:36.079 I don't care right that that's you want to get 860 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:37.440 as far away from that as possible. 861 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.199 I wouldn't even sell the store because I wouldn't want 862 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:42.559 there to be a record, because you know, the government's 863 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.480 coming after the second they find out you found a portal. 864 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.000 So I'm not even I'm just moving on. I'm not 865 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.920 telling anybody what I saw. I'm not touching that stuff. Yeah, 866 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.320 I'm calling it. I'm calling it a day. And there 867 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.960 was a Simpsons episode, a Halloween episode where they find 868 00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:59.800 a portal like that and it turns out turns them 869 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.159 all three D like they're no longer cartoons anymore. 870 00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.599 And I just I just feel like, you know, you 871 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.079 don't know if it's good or you don't know if 872 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:07.599 it's evil. 873 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.000 But there could be monsters, there could be demons, there 874 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.360 could be anything. But the other side, we talk we talk. 875 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.480 About range of outcomes and fantasy football all the time, 876 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.559 you know, like like you can't just put a projection 877 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:17.599 on a player, you can't just. 878 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.239 Score ceilings all that jazz. 879 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.079 Yeah, so think about for like a portal or whatever 880 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.280 we saw in back rooms. There's a range of outcomes. Right, Sure, 881 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.280 this could be great it's on the other side, but 882 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.960 I'm not betting on it. No, that is an extremely, 883 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.159 extremely likely scenario where whatever is there is not meant 884 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:37.000 for humans. Dude. 885 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:41.280 I have to use GPS to get to freaking Nina still, 886 00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.679 and like do things in Nina. I'm not going in 887 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:44.679 this round round. 888 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.079 No. I use GPS all the time, but it's more 889 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:51.199 so like so I know when I'm going to get 890 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.599 to a spot or it's that, and like I know, 891 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.360 like around town, I know my way around, but I 892 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.360 want to know the fastest way, so I'll always plug 893 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.199 it into my GPS to make sure I'm taking the 894 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.800 fastest way there. Sorry, but they say that makes you 895 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.320 stupider the more I believe that the more you use GPS. 896 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.199 Which is unfortunate that I'm getting. 897 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.239 Stupider, but it happens. And being lost. 898 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.920 Okay, let's get back to why you thought the reaction 899 00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:21.199 from Clark was not justified and the problem you had 900 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.119 with that. Yeah, so I don't We'll dance around this 901 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.159 as much as we can without revealing anything. 902 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:29.280 Go ahead, Oh well, I mean that that that's essentially 903 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.480 where I'm coming from, because you follow essentially the movie 904 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.239 is Clark's movie for the first hour more than that. Yeah, 905 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.599 and then all of a sudden you kind of can tell, oh, 906 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.000 we're going to be following the psychiatrist the rest of 907 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:42.360 the time. 908 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.760 This is just only like fifteen minutes ago, yeah. 909 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.559 Maybe twenty yeah. 910 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:47.559 Uh. 911 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.760 And it doesn't feel abrupt or anything. It's not like 912 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.079 you're thrown off or anything like that. But I mean, 913 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.800 you see quite a bit of Clark going into the 914 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.320 back rooms, coming out, finding friends to go in with, 915 00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.639 and going back out again and doing all these different things, 916 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.719 seen different rooms, seeing different things, and there was no 917 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.280 gradual descent. There was no mister Chips the scarface. It 918 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:11.880 was just like normal furniture salesman guy that has no 919 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.559 concept of what's real and what's not, which, like, again, 920 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.480 a lot of what is in there would be like, 921 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.000 I don't know anymore. So I get that, but it 922 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.960 just feels like it happened in like a day. 923 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.440 And I think that's why time moves differently there. 924 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:27.559 It might, you know, it might, but they don't do 925 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.280 anything that tells me that. 926 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.719 And so okay, well here's the other thing, Ben, let's 927 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:36.480 just let's throw the time concept out. I'm like, and 928 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.760 I'm speaking just for me, because that's I know who 929 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:42.719 I am. Being down there, Hey, even for a little 930 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.320 bit and seeing all that weird stuff, maybe my mind 931 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.360 would go pretty quick too, you know, maybe I would 932 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:54.119 start you know, changing, reality would start changing for me 933 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:55.000 pretty quick. Yeah. 934 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:57.760 No, no, but here's the deal. You're you're Clark in this. 935 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:01.559 You're not You're not Bulky. You chose to go in there, 936 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.920 you left multiple times a familiar face. Did he in 937 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.360 no way, It's not like he didn't know who she was. 938 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:12.559 Like you're like, oh, thank god, somebody that knows where 939 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.199 to go to get out of here. She just is 940 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.000 because things happen in the plot. But what he cannot 941 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.079 get back, it's not even about getting back. Do you 942 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.000 remember the voicemail that he left her. Yeah, and it 943 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.480 to me it seemed like he made his decision like 944 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.880 and and and by the way, consider what's going on 945 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.280 with this dude's life. 946 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.679 His business is failing. Yes, he's obviously got a drinking problem. 947 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.440 His wife does not allow him to live at home. 948 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.960 He at one point was a talented architect or an 949 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.159 up and coming architect, and now he's running this failing 950 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:53.159 furniture store and he's making these awful, hacky commercials. There's 951 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:57.519 nothing for him, sure on the outside. And yet he 952 00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.599 finds this back rooms thing, and may maybe he looks 953 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.639 at it from the standpoint of, you know, we look 954 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:04.239 at her like, oh, this is bad, this is evil, 955 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.960 this is not good. I don't know, maybe he looked 956 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.920 at it from the standpoint of like, this is the 957 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.599 coolest thing that's ever happened to him, and he wants 958 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.199 to explore and learn more. Maybe he found something that 959 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.119 nobody else knows about and he might have stopped. So 960 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.320 then you start framing it in your mind. Now, bad 961 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.960 stuff did happen, right, Yeah, and he knows bad stuff 962 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.559 happened in there, dude. The scene where he is talking 963 00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.119 to I think her name is Karen, the Finn Bennett's 964 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.880 character's girlfriend, like his assistant manager was that. Her name 965 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.000 Karen doesn't really matter, but she's on one side of 966 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.639 a wall and she's talking to him. Yeah, and she 967 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.280 can see him, and the camera shot is at the 968 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.760 very back of the room that Clark's in. He's at 969 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.960 the wayfront, and she starts screaming behind you, behind you, 970 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.440 and then the camera picks up. Yeah. 971 00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:02.639 Ah, dude, it's just I'm telling you, man, And maybe 972 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:04.719 it's just it's cheap thrills that does it for me, 973 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.519 But no, I'm just the little beats that we have 974 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:13.039 that the setup, the execution, more set up, more execution. 975 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:17.159 It just it just was one thing after another and 976 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.280 was just totally engrossed the whole time, totally creeped out. Dude. 977 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.119 I tried to watch I told you, I tried to 978 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.000 watch some of these back rooms videos on YouTube. I 979 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.199 was really unsettled. They are not easy to watch. And 980 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.639 then I get done with it and like, god, I 981 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:32.920 want to watch that again. Even though it's not pleasant 982 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.400 watching it. It's really it's a sick thing to really 983 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.039 try to describe. I don't know, Yeah, I feel it. 984 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:40.800 And again I don't want it to sound because you're 985 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.039 exactly right, and maybe to a certain extent, a certain extent, 986 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.960 more dialogue, more monsters, it would have trivialized what was 987 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.679 and so the things that were there. The scene we 988 00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.480 keep talking about at the dinner table, there were other 989 00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.840 characters there, and like everything that happened in that scene. 990 00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.840 I admit I'm not a jumper ever, and I didn't 991 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.480 jump this time either, but only out of male ego 992 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.679 and pride, because like I felt it in my chest 993 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.039 when at one point one character just starts running out 994 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.239 of nowhere. It's just like it's like boom, I'm gone, 995 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.079 and it was. It reminded me to a certain extent, 996 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.880 but it's not the same feeling. But there's a scene 997 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.719 and get Out where one of the characters is sprinting 998 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:29.320 directly at the camera and the camera is essentially acting 999 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:32.880 as another character's eyes, and like the music really isn't 1000 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.400 even playing, and it's just a person running as fast 1001 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.320 as they can directly at you without saying anything. I 1002 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.559 remember feeling that much chest like oh god, I hate 1003 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.480 this right now, and I felt that way again, and 1004 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.760 like that's a nice feeling, because especially with how much 1005 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:48.000 of this stuff that I have seen in my life, 1006 00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:51.039 it's hard to get me there anymore, and this movie 1007 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.880 did get there. So like, I don't want you guys 1008 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.599 to think like this isn't gonna be getting some five 1009 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:57.079 or six, but I think, as you said, it's important 1010 00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.719 to keep expectations in check. And I think there was 1011 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.960 a yeah, a movement around this film that really thought me, 1012 00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:05.320 made me think I was going to see something transcendent, 1013 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:06.880 as opposed to like. 1014 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.639 See I did. Yeah to me, this it hit it 1015 00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.079 hit me in all the weird spots in my mind 1016 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.000 that I had either forgotten about yeah or didn't realize 1017 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.679 we're there. I don't know, we'll get to it later on. 1018 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.639 Let's talk about that dinner scene here, so again I'm 1019 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:26.639 not going to try to give too much away. We 1020 00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:31.679 already talked about how the back rooms sort of whatever 1021 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.400 they are, whoever they are. I think it's more what 1022 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.440 are recreating, like the dog analogy we brought for you know, 1023 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.239 where it's it's it's a recreation of something that's described, 1024 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:48.960 but it's not perfect. Okay, Clearly there is an entity 1025 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:54.199 down there that is, no doubt mimicking a character in 1026 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.800 this Yeah, okay, think about the other participants in that 1027 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:06.480 inner scene. Who were they? Yeah? Right? Did we find out? Uh? 1028 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.559 No, we did not, at least not that I'm aware of. 1029 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:11.639 Again that there was one that was standing up in 1030 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:17.960 that scene that to me was not dressed in a 1031 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.280 way you would expect a person to dress in that 1032 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:23.880 time era. I have, I have, I'd have to look 1033 00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:25.599 at it again, but that's what struck me on it, 1034 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.719 and I'm like, okay, well, we never saw anything like 1035 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.280 this previous, at least I didn't remember. And then I 1036 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.639 see that, and then there's another character sitting down that 1037 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.000 we clearly yeah, I mean, there was nothing there. So 1038 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.440 then you wonder how long? And then I go back 1039 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.079 to that time stamp from the from the film of 1040 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.599 or from the found footage that that opened the film, 1041 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.360 and it's like, my god, how long has this have 1042 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.599 they known? About this or how long have people how 1043 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:52.800 long has this existed? 1044 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.960 Yeah, I just and like the movie was messing with 1045 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.800 me so much at that point that I thought the 1046 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.199 sitting down I couldn't tell. Like I remember staring very 1047 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.679 vividly at the character that was sitting down. I'm like, 1048 00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:05.519 is that person moving right now? 1049 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:06.000 Yeah? 1050 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:07.880 I turned the lights on the I was like, oh 1051 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.280 my god, all right, he's moving now. 1052 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:13.159 There's a scene dude in back room. Like the video, 1053 00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:14.639 the first video I saw, I might have been the 1054 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:17.280 first video that Cane Parsons came up with where the 1055 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:21.480 person recording is flipping a light switch on and off 1056 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.599 multiple times on top of a staircase and he's looking 1057 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.199 down and I'm like, stop flipping, just leave it, just 1058 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.440 leave it on. Stop because I know what's going to 1059 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:32.000 happen here. 1060 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.960 It's just so I'm telling you, I can't really, I 1061 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.440 can't really explain what this movie did to me. And 1062 00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.320 I know that sounds stupid and lazy and hyperbolic or whatever, 1063 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.920 but there's just I just think I found my jam 1064 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:50.199 here when it comes to horror. 1065 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:50.719 I love it. 1066 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.960 And it says something because again I have not seen 1067 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:55.639 any of the shorts. Yeah, There's a very famous short 1068 00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:57.719 which I might have even sent you before because I 1069 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.800 tell anybody with ears to watch it. But it's called 1070 00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.000 lights Out and it won like a short festival ten 1071 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.559 ish years ago, and they ended up turning it into 1072 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.840 a PG thirteen horror movie called lights Out that sucked. 1073 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:11.400 It was awful. It was awful for an hour and 1074 00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.239 a half. The ninety second short it starts with her 1075 00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.400 flicking the lights on and off and what ultimately it 1076 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:19.920 chills me to my business on YouTube. Yeah, we'll watch 1077 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.320 it after, Okay, cool. It's very short. It really hits 1078 00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.880 home in a lot of ways, and it's just done 1079 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.199 in a way that's so creepy. And then they completely 1080 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.760 missed the mark in the movie, and having not seen 1081 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.840 the shorts here, it feels like they captured that sincere 1082 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.440 dread you felt in the ninety seconds or however long 1083 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.920 the YouTube shorts were four ninety minutes or however long 1084 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.000 the movie is roughly ninety minutes. 1085 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.480 Sometimes bigger and well. I say this about SNL sketches 1086 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:47.559 all the time. Sure people always ask me. You're like, oh, 1087 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.960 did you see this SNL movie? You see this? No? 1088 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.000 I have no interest because one joke yeah, well it's 1089 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.880 not necessarily one joke, but it's just one idea. It's 1090 00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.000 one theme, and you play it out and it's not 1091 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.880 meant to be ye, ninety minutes. It's meant to be 1092 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.199 four or five minutes, and then that's it, right, And 1093 00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:05.639 that's why a lot of SnO movies quite frankly. 1094 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.679 Suck exactly, you know, but they make a lot of money. 1095 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.880 So sure, sure, but this one I think did capture. 1096 00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:14.920 Like again, there were moments when I was creeped out. 1097 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.440 What sucks is I don't know that I could really 1098 00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.159 put a finger on why I walked out of there, 1099 00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.360 like in my and I think we disagree on this 1100 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.719 of the double feature of horror that we basically have done. Yeah, 1101 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:30.159 I even though it was more predictable, more wrote feel 1102 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.559 like I got more out of obsession, whereas you were 1103 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.280 kind of leaning, okay towards. 1104 00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.760 So we were talking about in one of the companies 1105 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:40.079 I work for, we have a you know, slack the yeah, okay, 1106 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:42.199 so we use slack for that, and we have all 1107 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.360 these different channels and I don't remember what got posted 1108 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.760 in the random channel, but somebody mentioned a movie and 1109 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:50.840 or no, I think I just brought up somebody mentioned 1110 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.199 a movie, and I brought up, yeah, backrooms is really good, guys, 1111 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.159 and a bunch of people in their commented that they 1112 00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.960 had also seen both Obsession and back Rooms, and I 1113 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:03.199 was the only one that liked Backrooms better than Obsessions. Yeah, 1114 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.800 you know. Everybody else said, oh yeah, backrooms was pretty good, 1115 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.679 and and a lot of they had seen a lot 1116 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.280 of the stuff that Caane Parsons had done on YouTube 1117 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:13.000 prior to this, but they're like, yeah, Obsession. I'm like, 1118 00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.679 you know, it was good, but I just think that 1119 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:20.199 creepy aesthetic in back rooms, that the use of negative sound. 1120 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.960 It just way more unique, yeah, way more. It just 1121 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.159 it hit me a lot harder, you know, no doubt 1122 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.679 about that. And maybe that's an age thing, age two 1123 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.320 an age thing too as well for me, because you know, 1124 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:34.800 I've worked in I used to work at the Mayfair 1125 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:40.079 Mall in Milwaukee, and I've been down there where it's 1126 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.199 just all this empty, weird, you know, so I've it's 1127 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.000 in the Valley. I think I brought this up the 1128 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.280 Valley Fair Mall, which I don't think was around when 1129 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.239 you moved here, but that was another like older mall, 1130 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.320 and and a lot of places were closed, and it 1131 00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.639 was it had a feel of like, you know, think 1132 00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.360 about the mall from Stranger Things, Well, what happens to 1133 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:00.280 that thirty. 1134 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:01.760 Years later, twenty years later? What does that look like? 1135 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:02.719 It's creepy. 1136 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:06.199 It's like a time capsule and and it's it's just 1137 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:07.960 I don't know, man, like just it. 1138 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.159 It's this liminal space thing. I think it's something I 1139 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:13.639 never heard about before back rooms, right, and now you 1140 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.599 fall into that more and more, and it's just like, 1141 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.400 oh man, this is it. This is creepy, and I 1142 00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.639 think you know what it is to a lot of 1143 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.679 horror movies will show you the monster, right, They'll show 1144 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.159 you what the antagonist is. They'll show you what they're 1145 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:33.960 fighting or whatever. Sometimes I think when you don't see that, 1146 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.360 your imagination is a. 1147 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:40.639 Much more As an adult, I agree, yeah, into that. 1148 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:44.039 You create something in your in your mind that's and 1149 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.039 then how often does that happen where you actually see 1150 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.679 the monster at the end you're like, oh, yeah, but 1151 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.960 what like what could happen? What could be there? Not knowing? 1152 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.079 I think that's what right there. 1153 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.239 There are the few moments, like I always say, I 1154 00:54:58.280 --> 00:54:59.800 don't want to say it's the scariest thing in ma 1155 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:03.119 I think I can imagine scary things like the xenomorph 1156 00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.760 in the movie Aliens is a terrifying creature to me, 1157 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.320 I'm like, brilliant. Yeah, there's a handful of times, but no, 1158 00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:12.039 I couldn't agree with you more. I think the imagination 1159 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.079 absolutely running wild, especially at this stage of my life, 1160 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.679 hits way harder than anything that a director could show 1161 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.480 me in terms of trying to scare me. It's like 1162 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:23.880 my mind, but you do get me. 1163 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.440 But you know what's funny about that bench is let's 1164 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:28.920 say somebody gave you ten million dollars and they said, 1165 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.639 you create a horror movie, right, you would create a 1166 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:33.960 horror movie based on what's in your mind, and then 1167 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.880 you'd watch it and you and you'd be like, you know, 1168 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.280 you'd make the whole thing. You get done with post 1169 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.039 and that's all finished and go and you watch it 1170 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.440 and you'd be like, Nope, yeah, I don't like this. 1171 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:50.119 And I think it's because like we want it. I 1172 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.360 don't know, it's just a matter of like you kind 1173 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:53.920 of know what's in your mind, you know how it's 1174 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:58.639 gonna play out, and even when you put the monster 1175 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.679 on paper or on film. When you put the monster 1176 00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.679 on film, I do think that it lessens the impact 1177 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.760 of watching it. I know of you know, wondering what 1178 00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:11.519 it could be, and then when you actually see it, 1179 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:12.360 you're kind of like. 1180 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.159 Oh, yeah, I will say though, there is a twenty 1181 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.239 twenty three remake of the two thousand and three movie 1182 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.760 Wrong Turn, Yeah, which you know that came out during 1183 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.679 the Jessica bal remake of Texas Chains on my screen. 1184 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.159 I may have talked about this if I talked about this, 1185 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:26.760 or I may have. 1186 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.920 Okay, I know you mentioned the Wrong Turn, No bring 1187 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:31.960 it up, because I don't remember what you said about it. 1188 00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.400 So there's a scene it's like a community of people. 1189 00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:38.320 They drop the because, to be real, the whole backwards 1190 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:41.360 Appalacha thing is very disrespectful to the people of Appalachia, 1191 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:43.440 so they drop that whole element of it. And it's 1192 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.719 just like a community of people that look normal that 1193 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.679 are just really fucked up, and they either will graphically 1194 00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.639 kill you or they condemn you to the darkness. And 1195 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.159 when you are condemned to the darkness, they take your 1196 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.719 eyes out and they take your tongue out, and then 1197 00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.639 they throw you in the super dark cave condemned one 1198 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.960 character to the darkness, and all you see is the 1199 00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:07.199 viewer is a cave entrance. That is that the director 1200 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.679 lit it in a way where it quite literally looks 1201 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.039 like you're just like walking out into outer space, like 1202 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.519 it's so black that I was like, and then they 1203 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.440 don't go in, and I was like, I remember sitting 1204 00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.159 there and watching it with my brother. I was like, Oh, 1205 00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:21.960 I kind of wish they would have showed us what's 1206 00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.000 in there, but I'm kind of glad they didn't because 1207 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.159 I'm actively terrified by what that would look like. Then 1208 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.960 twenty minutes go by and turns out they are going 1209 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.480 to go into the darkness to rescue their friend, and 1210 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.360 you're gonna see what's in there. Yeah, and it was 1211 00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.519 one of the creepiest images that you could ever put 1212 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.960 on films. It lived up to it wholeheartedly. And this 1213 00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.840 is not an endorsement of the movie because overall, even 1214 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.559 though it was not good, but this scene was really 1215 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.199 This scene is so anytime we'll be like remember that 1216 00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.400 scene in Wrong Turn twenty twenty three, like we will 1217 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:54.559 still talk about remember the Darkness, because like that hits 1218 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.559 so hard because like I let my imagination run wide. 1219 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.239 I'm like, Ben, picture yourself in there, no eyes, no 1220 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.360 ability to talk, and you're trying to feel your way 1221 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.119 through this dark cave with other random people that have 1222 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.679 been punished in there before, and you're like, what would 1223 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.920 that be like? And like I had my own perception, 1224 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:11.880 And then you get there and like the first thing 1225 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.639 you see is like an old guy sniff in the 1226 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.440 wall because the only thing he can do is use 1227 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.679 his sun. And I was like, all right, I'm already 1228 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.519 more creeped out than I was in my mind and 1229 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.360 we have just got in here, like it's where it 1230 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.199 goes from there, And I was just like, okay, well 1231 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.800 that was a pretty well done moments like it can happen, 1232 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.519 is my point. But it's very few and far between. 1233 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:32.480 Yeah, I should say there's exceptions. 1234 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.880 Yeah sure, but and again it might be in movies 1235 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.199 where you're like, well that was super forgettable other than 1236 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:41.159 that moment, but that moment absolutely will stick with me 1237 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.079 until I die. And that was kind of. 1238 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.840 Can't see, you can't taste, you can touch and smell. 1239 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:49.199 What's the other sense here? Oh and here ye here? 1240 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:51.760 Yeah, that's it? Oh my god. And when their friend 1241 00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:52.719 hears their voice. 1242 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:57.719 Oh my god, all right, I gotta watch this. All right, 1243 00:58:58.599 --> 00:58:59.639 so what are we at on time? 1244 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.239 But let me bring it back up. 1245 00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.079 I have to, I have to bring this up. We 1246 00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.480 have to talk about the ending, because I thought the 1247 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:11.719 ending to me seemed kind of like I knew what 1248 00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:14.039 was going on. But then I read some stuff on 1249 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.000 the internet that was like, they're talking about it's kind 1250 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.000 of a nebulous ending and it's kind of an open ending. 1251 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:21.760 Did you view it that same way too? What did 1252 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:23.679 you think you were looking at in that final scene? 1253 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.960 Well, I've got a I don't know if I can 1254 00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.599 say this. If you think it's spoiling to answer this question, 1255 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.559 don't answer it. Do you think she's out. 1256 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:39.840 The way that the way that that conversation that she 1257 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:45.599 had in the final scene makes me think that that is. 1258 00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:50.119 That's my question, because. 1259 00:59:49.880 --> 01:00:01.400 There's okay, so I believe she is out of the 1260 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:08.199 back rooms. Okay, I don't believe she is free of 1261 01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:11.519 the backer, free of what happened to her in the 1262 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:15.159 back rooms. And I don't think she's free of like 1263 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:18.239 I think she is staying where she is for a 1264 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.760 little bit, for a little while. Mark Duplace says his 1265 01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:28.800 character says something to the effect of like, whatever or 1266 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:33.760 whoever is making the decision about her future, it doesn't 1267 01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:36.199 seem like it resolves itself in that movie. I agree 1268 01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:43.880 now that the final shot, it's gonna be difficult. What 1269 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.639 are we looking at? Are we looking at? Is that 1270 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:47.360 the back rooms? 1271 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:48.320 Yeah? 1272 01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:49.199 That is for sure. 1273 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.480 I think all we're looking at it's just like the 1274 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.559 broken purple chain shoes. I think that's her. What's what's 1275 01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:58.679 the guy from the league's name? He keeps saying duplas, Yeah, 1276 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:03.840 the league I forgot. Yeah, I think that last scene 1277 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:05.679 is the copy of the cort. 1278 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.239 That's what I think too. That's what I think too. 1279 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.800 And then and then and then the stuff I've read, 1280 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.159 some of the stuff I've read, is that that's not 1281 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:18.119 a copy. 1282 01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:20.760 I think they misinterpreted the movie. I might be wrong, 1283 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:24.000 Like there's absolutely a chance I missed something because that 1284 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.079 that That's how I've kind of been positioning myself. 1285 01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.239 Yeah, the podcast, I mean, I mean I never I 1286 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.679 never considered it until I read that, and then I'm like, okay, 1287 01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:36.239 and there's obviously a big flaw with that. Well, okay, 1288 01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:38.840 I don't want to ruin this. Let's talk about that. 1289 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:39.440 Off here. Yeah. 1290 01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:40.800 Sure, but that's. 1291 01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.920 Another thing that kind of like obviously sets it up 1292 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:44.440 for and and this is the other thing I'll bring up. 1293 01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:45.719 And I had it on my phone. I wanted to 1294 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.480 I wanted to make sure I got to this. So 1295 01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:58.559 in reading about this film, oh, by the way, two 1296 01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:01.960 hundred and sixteen million words world wide, it's a twenty 1297 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:05.760 four's highest grossing film to date, and Kane Parsons is 1298 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:10.760 now the youngest filmmaker to reach number one at the 1299 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.320 US box office. Wow. And it's the second highest grossing 1300 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.320 horror film twenty twenty six. I wonder what the top 1301 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:20.480 one was, Oh, Obsession, Dude, Obsession is number one, back 1302 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:24.480 Rooms is two, and dude, this is hilario. We Okay, 1303 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:27.519 so this is the top ten grossing horror movies of 1304 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.719 twenty twenty six so far. Obsession, back Rooms one, and two. 1305 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.079 Three is Scream seven, which, yeah, exactly, number four. I 1306 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.360 don't really think this is a horror movie. Scary Movie 1307 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.360 is number four, which we're going to talk about in 1308 01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.440 a couple of weeks, right, Send Help is five, sure, 1309 01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:48.960 and then Lee Cronin is The Mummy, which I. 1310 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:52.639 Haven't seen the interest in that, honestly, Bone Temple. 1311 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.800 Is number seven. Cool. Number eight is Iron Lung, which 1312 01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:56.639 I've never heard. 1313 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:57.519 Of another YouTuber. 1314 01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.719 Oh okay, yeah right, Number nine return to Silent Hill. 1315 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.000 Have you seen this? Okay? And I assume that's the 1316 01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.960 Silent Hill sequel or whatever. And then obviously Ready or 1317 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.599 Not To is number ten. Okay, So that's that's the 1318 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:13.880 top ten, which we've we've talked about. We've done a 1319 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.519 lot of these for the podcast. Okay, I know it's cool. 1320 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.480 Before you move on, I don't know if you've seen 1321 01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:21.360 any of the controversy so well, not of what quote 1322 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.679 fingers controversy the makeup artist in Obsession. 1323 01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:26.079 Oh yeah, you told me about this? 1324 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:29.719 Yeah yeah, they just came out yesterday, probably because of 1325 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.920 how many people cause the ruckets. She made seven thousand 1326 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:34.639 dollars for essentially twenty days. 1327 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:36.880 Oh no, you didn't tell me about this? O keep going. 1328 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.559 Yeah, so okay, let me start. She complained, for lack 1329 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:43.239 of a better term, publicly, she was like, yeah, so 1330 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.559 I agreed to work on Obsession and they paid me 1331 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:48.719 seven thousand dollars to do makeup and again it was 1332 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:50.719 for like twenty one days. So like I'm I'm not 1333 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:53.719 crying a pity party for her, but she's like, and 1334 01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:56.000 then we made eight hundred million dollars and I feel 1335 01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.800 like maybe that this should be disseminated. And they just 1336 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:02.679 came out earlier today or maybe late yesterday, the creative 1337 01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:06.440 company behind Obsession, and they said, we're gonna package fifty 1338 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:09.079 million dollars if we're gonna spread it out amongst all 1339 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.760 of the people that helped make this movie, because Iron 1340 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:17.440 Lung was completely funded by a YouTuber and when Iron 1341 01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.159 Lung ended up way exceeding all expectations since he didn't 1342 01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:23.719 have to answer to a production company, he just paid 1343 01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.960 everybody like more because he didn't expect to make that 1344 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.039 much money. And when that story went viral, because I've 1345 01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:31.960 never seen Iron Lung, but after I heard that, I 1346 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:34.000 almost want to go support it, just to support those 1347 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:34.880 kind of actions. 1348 01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.280 What's what's it about? Do you know? No idea? 1349 01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:40.360 He's he's like a video game streamer, like the person 1350 01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.400 to direct ith. He records himself playing video games. And 1351 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:46.639 apparently Iron Lung is like a character he created for 1352 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:48.679 one of the He plays a lot of horror games 1353 01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:51.159 and so it's a character he created and they wrote 1354 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.719 directed film and like the actors are just his friends. 1355 01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:57.239 But like he did, he went to like NYU or something. 1356 01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.519 He has some chops at making a movie. But it's 1357 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.000 by no mean you're not gonna mistake it for Spielberger. 1358 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.800 But but he has some chops. And apparently this just exploded. 1359 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:09.199 And I only found out about it because I told 1360 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:11.159 you there was a thing that was like six horror 1361 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.960 movies made by YouTuber YouTubers, then one that failed, Like 1362 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:16.920 I was like, someone do a well. One of the 1363 01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:19.119 six that succeeded was Iron Long. I'm like, I haven't 1364 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:20.920 even heard of this movie, and. 1365 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:24.760 So what what? So was obsession back rooms? Iron Lung 1366 01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:27.199 the one that nobody knows about? And then do we 1367 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:27.800 know the other two? 1368 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:29.559 I'd have to find it. 1369 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:34.199 Speaking of Spielberg, Aaron Sorkin is where I went with 1370 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:38.400 this because I just saw this trailer three hours ago. 1371 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.280 Do you know there's a companion movie coming out in October? 1372 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.880 To the social network? You knew about this? I found 1373 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.840 out about it today Today's You're today, Your's today years old? 1374 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:50.920 When I found about this? Have you seen the trailer 1375 01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:52.639 for it? Oh? Looks good man? 1376 01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:53.119 Does it? 1377 01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:57.000 So it's about the Facebook whistleblower who I can't remember 1378 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.800 her name, sure, but she came out with all these 1379 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.599 documents she released and all this nefarious, semi nefarious stuff 1380 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:08.079 that Facebook was involved in, seemingly always choosing profits over 1381 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:13.760 what's what's. So you have Mikey Madison who won the 1382 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:18.199 Best Actress two years ago for playing that hooker or whatever. 1383 01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:23.519 I can't remember the name of it. Oh god, it, 1384 01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:26.440 this is gonna drive me. It's a It's a one 1385 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.960 word movie which was nominated for Best Picture. It didn't 1386 01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:35.239 win Best Picture, but she won for Best Actress for it, 1387 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:38.599 and I can't anora that's what it was. So she 1388 01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:43.840 was Anura. Now we also know Mikey Madison from the 1389 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:48.079 Scream franchise and she was in uh, What's on Time 1390 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:52.559 in Hollywood? So she plays the whistleblower. Jeremy Allen White 1391 01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:55.960 from The Bear is the journalist that is sort of 1392 01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:00.760 like investigating this story, and it a brilliant, I think, 1393 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:06.360 brilliant casting. You have famous method actor Jeremy Strong playing 1394 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.760 Mark Zuckerberg, and I'm telling you, man, it is like 1395 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:14.400 looking at the real Mark zucker It's just he's totally awkward, 1396 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.719 the way you could tell he's on the spectrum a 1397 01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.880 little bit. I and Bill Burr is in this too, 1398 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.400 which I mean, it's a really good cast. Sorkin wrote it, 1399 01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:25.920 he's directing. It comes out in October. I'm very excited. 1400 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:27.840 Yeah, well, well I'm sure we'll have time for that 1401 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:29.519 one on the list here. You know, I just got 1402 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:31.480 to say, this is a testament to this movie is 1403 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.679 that's the most off topic we've gone for an hour. 1404 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:35.679 We almost exclusively stuck the back. 1405 01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:37.960 Rooms for an hour. Yeah we did. We don't do that. Well. 1406 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.360 I liked it quite a bit. So this is the 1407 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.079 other thing I want to say. So last month Caane 1408 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.280 Parson says he's not finished with back rooms? Why would 1409 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:47.360 he be sure? And then the other thing I found 1410 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.519 there was there's a scene and it's just a little payoff. 1411 01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:55.880 I think it's called The Oldest View is sort of 1412 01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.000 like where he got his start. It's a four part 1413 01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:03.440 YouTube series again space finding an finding a mall underground 1414 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:09.039 or whatever. And there's this this the wheel Giant or 1415 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:10.960 the Rolling Giant I think it's called is the Big 1416 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.119 bad in this And anyway, so I fell into that 1417 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:16.760 rabbit while I was reading about that, I'm like, God, 1418 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:20.520 I gotta watch this too, and uh, there's a little 1419 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:25.319 payoff with a character in that that's in back Rooms 1420 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:27.199 kind of but not really. I'll tell you about it after. 1421 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:30.439 It's not a big deal anyway, he said. There's already 1422 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:32.479 things in the works right now. He's saying he's going 1423 01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.760 to continue the YouTube series back Rooms, okay, and then, 1424 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.720 just a couple of days ago, Deadline Hollywood said that 1425 01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:45.920 Caine Parsons is interviewing potential screenwriting partners to help him 1426 01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:50.680 do the sequel right now. He said that that's not true, 1427 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:55.439 although it probably is true in Hollywood, and he wants to. 1428 01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.279 We said this with Obsession too, with who directed Obsession, 1429 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:02.880 I'm gonna forget the guy's name, I never remember. Yeah, 1430 01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:07.720 but another YouTuber famous YouTuber are now famous, Curry Barker. 1431 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:10.760 Curry Barker said that he wanted to do an Obsession 1432 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.319 television series. Yeah. Caane Parsons is exploring back. 1433 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.760 Room television series irons Hot. Yeah, and it's not Curry 1434 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:22.000 Barker worked. He was in a later episode of Always Sonny. 1435 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:24.840 I read that who did he play? 1436 01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:26.800 They did one where they like went to like the 1437 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:29.960 the Chucky cheese equivalent of their youth and he's the 1438 01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.199 one who like takes their uh they have to sign 1439 01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:36.840 like waivers about any injuries. And he's sitting there and 1440 01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:38.520 he's like, yeah, I just I don't care if you 1441 01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.479 signed it or not, Like, yeah, yeah, I saw that 1442 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.960 pomp interesting and uh it was sent to me. Actually, 1443 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:49.600 there is a short of him buying something else from 1444 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:52.439 the girl who sold the Wishing Willow at the beginning 1445 01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.880 of Obsession, well before Obsession was ever made, and it's 1446 01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:59.239 him and the actress who sold the Wishing Willow in 1447 01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:00.520 like a ninety se YouTube. 1448 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.399 Well that but that makes sense because he was doing stuff. 1449 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.880 You know, he's creating stuff like comedy stuff usually, but 1450 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:10.079 with that same those same actor Like just this very cool. 1451 01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:13.279 I mean, this is very interesting. And I think it's 1452 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:15.319 as long as they hired the right people. I feel 1453 01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:16.680 like we're at the beginning of a trend. 1454 01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.119 Yes, that's I think that's a good way to wrap 1455 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:22.119 up here, Like are we on the cusp of seeing? 1456 01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:24.199 And we said we I think we teased this a 1457 01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:26.840 little bit with Obsession. Are we on the cusp of seeing? 1458 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.960 And somebody said, maybe it was you Ben who brought 1459 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:35.159 this up? Where did I read it? Somebody said, something 1460 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:38.880 about when I think it was either Obsession or back 1461 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:43.159 Rooms is coming out and they're like, yep, somebody's gonna make. 1462 01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.840 Yeah I said that. Yeah, and now they're making an 1463 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:47.000 Obsession universe. 1464 01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:49.159 Like it's like but they but they made it seem 1465 01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:50.880 like this is going to be a disaster when it 1466 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.279 comes out and nobody's gonna see it. Right, No, that's 1467 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:56.279 what this guy was saying. Somebody's oh there, Now, somebody's 1468 01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:58.680 gonna make a ninety minute or an hour and forty 1469 01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:01.600 five minute movie about this that nobody's gonna like and 1470 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:02.359 everybody liked it. 1471 01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:04.720 Yeah, so as long as you do it well at it. 1472 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:06.479 So I think I think that that's the thing that 1473 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:10.279 I'm very excited about is seeing this next generation of 1474 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:15.520 filmmakers kind of grow up and create stuff that you 1475 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.199 and I haven't considered, stuff that we didn't grow up about. 1476 01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:22.000 Stuff we didn't grow up with, things and thoughts and stuff, 1477 01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:25.880 you know, not saying that social anxiety, which is much 1478 01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:27.720 more at least more talked about now. I think it 1479 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:32.000 was always prevalent, but like utilizing stuff like that, you know, 1480 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:39.640 in your films and and you know, just a this 1481 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:44.079 this whole fresh viewpoint of people creating stuff that they've 1482 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.319 never seen before, that that maybe we've never seen before, 1483 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:50.000 stuff that that gets its try out on YouTube. And 1484 01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:54.039 maybe that's good because only only the the best are surviving. 1485 01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:58.239 This isn't a case where, oh, this big filmmaker who's 1486 01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:00.640 done this is gonna get a bunch of money from 1487 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.359 this production studio to make a movie. And maybe it's good. 1488 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:09.000 Maybe it's not Hollywood. It famously over the last fifteen 1489 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:13.560 twenty years many have accused it of running out of ideas. Sure, 1490 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.439 and so what do they do. They go back to 1491 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.640 the stuff that's bankable, That the stuff that makes money. 1492 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:20.880 It's why we have fifty seven Fast and Furious. It's 1493 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:24.079 why we have Toy Story five coming up, so they 1494 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:24.960 know what works. 1495 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:27.840 Chris Nolan said as much yesterday. He's I mean, granted, 1496 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.039 it might just be, you know, head up his own 1497 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.600 ass kind of thing, but he said Odyssey might be 1498 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:34.359 one of the last movies like it. He said, it's 1499 01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:36.680 going to be a long time before another studio gets 1500 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:38.960 a green light to do something like this. So like, 1501 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:40.600 and I think you're thought on. 1502 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.840 He is right, though, I mean with stuff like that, 1503 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:46.000 I mean, like, unless you are a select I don't know, 1504 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:50.159 maybe twenty directors. It's maybe twenty Yeah, probably less, Yeah, 1505 01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:53.960 probably less. You're not going to get a budget like that. 1506 01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:57.720 So what's great about this for Hollywood is that ever, 1507 01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:01.520 you can see not only this stuff on YouTube first, 1508 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:05.079 but you can see the reaction from from users and 1509 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.039 what the comments are saying, how many likes it's getting, 1510 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:11.000 how many views it's getting. There is your focus group 1511 01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:13.159 right there, and it's not even a focus group, it's 1512 01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:15.760 the focus universe. Yeah, this is what people are going 1513 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.479 to do. So I think that's exciting. Yeah, I agree, 1514 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:19.319 as long as you know. 1515 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:22.520 I read an article yesterday that said fifty five percent 1516 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:24.840 of all Internet traffic is bots at this Well. 1517 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.399 That could be, that could be. I don't know. But 1518 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:30.800 but and and and there's no guarantee that taking a 1519 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:33.520 series like this and turning it into a feature film, 1520 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.479 there's no guarantee that it's going to do. 1521 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:37.199 I show you Lights Out will be all right. 1522 01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:41.039 But but but by my point of saying all this is, 1523 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.199 I feel like we are in a much more fertile 1524 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:47.680 testing ground than we have been in a while. And 1525 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:51.079 because of the success of Curry Barker, because of the 1526 01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:54.880 success of Kane Parsons. We are going to see more 1527 01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:58.720 opportunities for young filmmakers to and whoever created Iron Lung, 1528 01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:03.439 we're going to see more an opportunity to see fresh stuff. Yeah, 1529 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:12.199 and which backrooms is fresh. But there's this weirdly nostalgic uncomfortability. Yeah, 1530 01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.760 discomfort I should say that comes with it. That just 1531 01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.520 makes it so enjoyable. You know. 1532 01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:20.399 It's kind of ironic that in the longest stretch of 1533 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:23.960 no Marvel movies, that's when you see all the creativity perkle. 1534 01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.560 It's true, probably a lesson that might be learned there 1535 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:29.000 as well. Yeah, that like when the superhero stuff stopped, 1536 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:32.000 they're like, okay, fagin, let's try this backrooms thing and 1537 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.640 see what happens. Give it a million bucks. If it fails, whatever, 1538 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:37.319 will bounce back for a twenty four. We'll be fine. 1539 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:41.359 And that's when you take these chances. It's exciting. It's 1540 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:45.000 exciting for sure. You go first nine and a half, Okay, cool, Okay, 1541 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:46.840 I can't give it a perfect ten because there's no 1542 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:48.920 I always feel like, no matter what I've seen, there 1543 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:52.560 could always be something better. Yeah, I mentioned all the 1544 01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:53.319 stuff about this. 1545 01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:57.000 I would this is not a scary movie. No, it 1546 01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.720 is a creepy movie. It is an uncomfort movie. It 1547 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:03.720 is an original movie, which I really love the way 1548 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:08.800 it was lit, the questions it had me asking before, during, 1549 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.119 and after. I love movies that play with my head 1550 01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.119 like that. I love knowing that I could probably see 1551 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.119 this a bunch of times and still find stuff that 1552 01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:23.199 I didn't realize. I love the idea of this leaving 1553 01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:28.520 itself open to potential future films, you know, in this 1554 01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:32.199 this whole weird universe. I just feel like there are 1555 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:36.680 very few movies that affected me the way that this 1556 01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:41.119 one did. I've been scared before, I've been creeped out before, 1557 01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:45.399 I've laughed before, I've been you know, emotionally involved into 1558 01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:48.760 a drama before. As far as the creepy scale, which 1559 01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.239 is obviously the scale i'd measured this one on, it 1560 01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:53.960 was at the top. I just it was God, it 1561 01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:57.239 was just so so cathartic and enjoyable. Nine and a half. 1562 01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:59.720 I absolutely love that, and I mean I enjoyed it 1563 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:03.000 still as well. I'm going seven status. I think seven 1564 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.159 is completely reasonable. I thoroughly enjoyed it as well. But 1565 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:08.840 as we started this podcast off, I told you about 1566 01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:12.319 it last week as well. I did. There was just 1567 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:14.439 something and like I said, that's the Cretan in me, 1568 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.920 and it was it was maybe it was that that somber, 1569 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.960 cathartic nature. But when I've seen a movie like Cube 1570 01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:23.359 that deals in liminal spaces and has that kind of 1571 01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:27.000 conversation but from an entirely different perspective with a group 1572 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:29.319 of strangers, and I think I said it on the 1573 01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:32.359 podcast before, but I'm a sucker for any movie descriptions 1574 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:34.439 with six strangers are stuck in a blank. 1575 01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:36.079 Yeah, like this is insert here. 1576 01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:37.520 And I was like, all right, well and see what's 1577 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:38.079 going on here? 1578 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.039 I mean, I grant I haven't seen Cube yet, but 1579 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:42.840 to me, my understanding is the pacing of that movie 1580 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.119 is much more frenetic than than Packrock. 1581 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:48.479 Cube is essentially picture back rooms, but in every room 1582 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.319 that Clark discovered, there's a new saw trap and. 1583 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:53.119 Yeah that they have to figure out how. 1584 01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:56.640 Yeah yeah, And I was like, oh, this is and 1585 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:58.319 you don't know why you're there, and you don't know 1586 01:16:58.399 --> 01:16:59.720 is it an alien? Is a government? 1587 01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:01.520 Is why? Why is any. 1588 01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:05.680 Are you even there exactly? And and how do we 1589 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:07.840 get out of here? And just where it goes from 1590 01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:10.720 there and so like, to me, that is the quintessential 1591 01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.119 version of this. But I have a feeling that like 1592 01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.720 true movie people be like, oh, Backroom's excelled in all ways. 1593 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.520 Maybe I have no idea, but like that's more my speed. 1594 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:21.279 Not to say that this wasn't good. And there is 1595 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:24.159 a creepiness to it similar to the movie Creep. It's 1596 01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:26.079 a little bit more of a slow burn creep, but 1597 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:28.479 it absolutely is that. I gotta check out Creep. Yeah, 1598 01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:30.279 I think you would enjoy it, at least the first one. 1599 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:31.640 The second one is basically saying. 1600 01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:32.439 Are there only two? Yeah? 1601 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:37.920 Okay, yeah, they they wrap it up. Yeah, but at 1602 01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:40.319 any event, that's gonna do it for that one. Balky's 1603 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.159 out next week. Yeah, we're doing he Man next week. 1604 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.560 Still though, Laura Lee from W A p l Is 1605 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:47.199 going to be checking that one out with you. You see 1606 01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:50.439 a lot of these movies with Laura No, okay, no, 1607 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:53.239 I know you have a few in the past. Yeah, yeah, 1608 01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:56.239 and we she does a single thing now on Tuesdays, 1609 01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:58.640 which kind of some extra stuff that kind of eats 1610 01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:00.760 into it. But she was all about the back are 1611 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:02.119 you going to see it? I'm like, yeah, you want 1612 01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:02.960 you want to tag along? 1613 01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:05.920 So but so he Man next week on off topic 1614 01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:08.399 with me and and Laura. I feel like probably grew 1615 01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:09.079 up in the era. 1616 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:13.359 She rah, yeah, and I've been saying, I've said it 1617 01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:16.239 on the she said, Uh, you know, I didn't even 1618 01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:19.000 need to know that that Jared Leto was cast as 1619 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:20.920 Skeletor I can tell by his mannerisms. 1620 01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:25.880 That's funny. It's so wild because I had all the 1621 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:27.800 action figures when I was like, I think the first 1622 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:30.039 action figure, Well, no, I had probably a Gobots. I 1623 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:32.279 think we're first. But then I had a bunch of 1624 01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:35.800 he Man. I mean there's audio cassettes and video cassettes 1625 01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:38.560 of my dad interviewing me and my brothers back in 1626 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:40.279 the day asking us what we wanted for Christmas and 1627 01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:43.239 our birthday. We want the Castle of Gray Skull, he Man, 1628 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:45.319 and we're doing the and I'm like, but all that's 1629 01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:46.880 I mean, that was like forty years ago now for me. 1630 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.159 So I would have to brush up on it at 1631 01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:50.800 this point, and I probably still will see he Man 1632 01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:53.239 for the nostalgic aspect. But there's so much of that 1633 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:54.840 universe that I forgot. 1634 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:57.560 So absolutely, and I I said, I'm getting big time. 1635 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:00.479 The reviews are mixed, it's bombing in the box office, 1636 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.159 but I'm getting big time G I Joe, first G 1637 01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.920 I Joe movie off of it, so I'm hopeful for that. 1638 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.479 When Balke comes back, we'll be doing scary movie. 1639 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:11.439 Gary movie, which by the way, uh Stirfry was super 1640 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:12.279 pumped for that one. 1641 01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:15.239 Yeah, didn't live up to it for him. Yeah, I 1642 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:16.880 was gonna bring that up with you off the air. 1643 01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:19.000 It seems like it whipped. But I mean like we'll 1644 01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:23.159 see it anyway, like fourth highest grossing horror movie of 1645 01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:27.199 twenty twenty six apparently, so we'll get you guys then. 1646 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:28.119 Thanks for listening.