Speaker 1: All right, you ready? Yes, So my co host Balky,
Speaker 1: I've been told nobody appreciates a good vacation, unlike my
Speaker 1: friend Eric Balkman.
Speaker 2: Where is this coming from? Who?
Speaker 1: Who is it going to be here? You know what's
Speaker 1: funny is I don't remember, but I know someone told
Speaker 1: me specifically to comment on how much you love vacation.
Speaker 2: Ax Oh, Alex, Yeah, yeah, I don't like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah at all.
Speaker 2: That's a strange way to feel about things. I think
Speaker 2: it's because I'm very like I don't like people doing
Speaker 2: like covering for me while I'm gone. So I still
Speaker 2: work when I'm on vacation, which is difficult because you're
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing other stuff with your family, and
Speaker 2: I still have to like work extra before the vacation starts,
Speaker 2: and then I have to catch up after it ends.
Speaker 2: So it's a huge disruption that nobody needs. Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that the Fantasy Football show? Or is that all
Speaker 1: the jokes?
Speaker 2: Like my because I have two full time jobs, yeah
Speaker 2: plus this, which isn't really a job. Sure, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: have two full time jobs where I still I'll have
Speaker 2: to wake up before everybody else, yeah, Pepper, and work
Speaker 2: where I can throughout the day and then go to
Speaker 2: bed after everybody else, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: just one of those things. So it's yeah, it's I'm
Speaker 2: still doing shows when I'm down there. I'll be Florida
Speaker 2: next week. I'm still doing shows when I'm down there.
Speaker 2: I'm still doing all this other stuff. But nobody cares.
Speaker 1: How about that that he's going to be gonext Basically
Speaker 1: I brought it up so when I wanted to make
Speaker 1: a joke, it was successful.
Speaker 2: It was hilarious save the tea's because this show is
Speaker 2: not taking a week off next Yes, I won't be
Speaker 2: on it, but it'll be fun for the for the
Speaker 2: listeners to hear what's going on next week?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right now? Or you mean at the end, yeah,
Speaker 1: because right now we're doing back room Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: all that really matters. And this is going to be
Speaker 1: interesting one because and I'm going to preface this out
Speaker 1: there right now. I don't want to sound like I
Speaker 1: didn't like this movie at all, but let's just say
Speaker 1: one of us has a much higher opinion of what
Speaker 1: they watched than no, and.
Speaker 2: God bless it, why can't we haven thing? Well? Maybe,
Speaker 2: but this might be better for the for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And again it's just a matter of and
Speaker 1: I said, did you buy chance to get a chance
Speaker 1: to see Cube or no?
Speaker 2: No, I no worries.
Speaker 1: That's all right, that's all right. But it's just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be very interested in your thoughts because I want
Speaker 1: to start off on all of the positive and there's
Speaker 1: plenty to talk about in the world of positive.
Speaker 2: Here, which, by the way, just real quick, since this
Speaker 2: is off topic. I did look at the cast for Cube. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's a character in there or an actor in
Speaker 2: there who was on the Red Green Show. I don't
Speaker 2: think you know the Red Guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a Canadian TV show that was on Wisconsin. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean it was on public broadcast television years ago,
Speaker 2: like when I was in grade school. And it's it's
Speaker 2: said at this Canadian lodge, you know, like like a
Speaker 2: membership lodge or whatever, and it's all these you know,
Speaker 2: older guys that you know, get into situations or whatever.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I watched it religiously because I thought it
Speaker 2: was hilarious. There's a lot of outdoor stuff, a lot
Speaker 2: of outdoors humor on there, and I watched it religiously
Speaker 2: on Thursday Night, and there is an actor in Cube
Speaker 2: who used to be on The Red, which is weird.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of Canadian actors in Cube.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Canadian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is I brought it up with
Speaker 1: W A p LS. John Jordan, and he sent me
Speaker 1: a picture later on that day of the DVD case
Speaker 1: to Cube one, two, and zero.
Speaker 2: Wow, he has all of them.
Speaker 1: He has all of them all, like physical copies of
Speaker 1: all of them. I was like, right on. And then
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm going to watch him just because you
Speaker 1: got me in the movie, so he's seen him before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did did he have share your disappointment with the
Speaker 2: second one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, no universally, Oh it's sad.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: One recaptures. It brings time travel in and like if
Speaker 1: you're going to bite off time travel, like I can
Speaker 1: watch Terminator two and be like, you know, there's elements
Speaker 1: of this that don't make sense, but that's okay because
Speaker 1: this movie rocks, like you really have to do it right.
Speaker 1: And Cube was like, we don't care at all, We're
Speaker 1: just we're just gonna put time travel in this and
Speaker 1: then it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah. You don't want to play with elements
Speaker 2: like that, then now there is there is time elements
Speaker 2: in back Rooms as well. And I think before we
Speaker 2: get started, we'll just give the premise of this. Yeah
Speaker 2: you correct me where I'm ron? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: This is a film about a literally what it's called
Speaker 2: backrooms of this furniture store that is supposedly in an
Speaker 2: extra dimensional entity, extra dimensional area, and these it's just
Speaker 2: a maze of backrooms with weird objects inside and people
Speaker 2: are wandering there and there's potentially dangers in there as well.
Speaker 2: And it's all based on the YouTube series called Backrooms,
Speaker 2: which was created by Cane Pixels aka Kane Parsons, and
Speaker 2: he has a whole there's probably like thirty or forty videos,
Speaker 2: short videos, some are longer on YouTube about you know, backrooms,
Speaker 2: and so this was kind of like the big break,
Speaker 2: the big feature on this as he really expanded on this.
Speaker 2: But you don't need to really watch those YouTube videos
Speaker 2: to enjoy this film, did you. I watched a few
Speaker 2: of them afterwards.
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't see any of them, and I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like I was confused or lost at any point.
Speaker 2: Oh good, then we should talk about this because I
Speaker 2: feel like I was confused and lost at certain points.
Speaker 2: Maybe not a ton, but yeah, I just don't have
Speaker 2: the time to watch all of them right now. Oh sure,
Speaker 2: but the ones I did see, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: Maybe this is just my jam, but this was really
Speaker 2: I even said to you. Maybe I didn't tell you this.
Speaker 2: This was one of the few films that I wanted
Speaker 2: to see a second time. Yeah, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: see it again before we did the podcast. It didn't happen.
Speaker 2: I got wrapped into Spider Noir on video sided to
Speaker 2: watch that and I didn't have to, but I chose
Speaker 2: to watch that. But yeah, dude, I just I think
Speaker 2: everything about this, the lighting, the creepy liminal space aspect
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Even just the theming of the whole, the whole, like
Speaker 1: it was very relatable. Like there's very little dialogue, but
Speaker 1: I think with the I have there, they really do
Speaker 1: a good job of driving home like what at least
Speaker 1: the directors trying to get across the finish line there,
Speaker 1: in my opinion a ways, airin the Intern reached out
Speaker 1: to me because she introduced me to the back rooms
Speaker 1: when she was interning twenty four She's like, yeah, don't
Speaker 1: you know what the backrooms are. I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: the first I'm hearing about it. She tells me about
Speaker 1: what it is. I said, well, that's the dumbest sounding
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 2: What I'm blown away? Not only do you did you
Speaker 2: not enjoy this film? Well I shouldn't say you didn't
Speaker 2: enjoy this fil yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I will see it a second time, absolutely not
Speaker 1: in theaters, But I mean this.
Speaker 2: Whole aspect, I mean this, this doesn't the whole idea,
Speaker 2: the whole premise of this doesn't creep you out.
Speaker 1: The movie did a better job of driving that point
Speaker 1: home for me.
Speaker 2: How much of the back rooms videos have you seen
Speaker 2: on YouTube? I have not.
Speaker 1: I'm going solely based off of air in the intern's
Speaker 1: description of it. And then one picture she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: look these rooms. She's like, picture this but forever. And
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and she was like it's called
Speaker 1: a liminal space, and I'm like okay. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is what gen Z's into. Like, you guys don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell you're talking about. And I think
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I think the idea of this is is
Speaker 1: tremendous seeing it enacted with a professional flair. Not a
Speaker 1: ton of money, but you know, a million dollars behind
Speaker 1: what was ultimately put together. There ten times the budget
Speaker 1: of what we reviewed last week on Obsession. I get
Speaker 1: it now. And I was putting myself in a I
Speaker 1: always mispronounced his name Chueto.
Speaker 2: I think it's the quote me.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call him Victor sweet going forward so
Speaker 1: that we can skip.
Speaker 2: All that baron morto whatever.
Speaker 1: But seeing the way he reacted, I was putting myself
Speaker 1: in that position.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I just have to say this real quick.
Speaker 2: I went to Doctor Strange. You went to Four Brothers.
Speaker 2: Dude was nominated for Best Actor for twelve Years of Slave,
Speaker 2: and neither one of us went to and I can't
Speaker 2: even remember what his name was, and that terrible.
Speaker 1: He has far more accolades, but for my money, either
Speaker 1: one of the like from an entertainment value, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twelve years. It makes me sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. Nothing against that movie,
Speaker 1: but you know, but in any event, trying to put
Speaker 1: myself in his position, it did. It helped me internalize
Speaker 1: just how creepy it is, because my biggest real world
Speaker 1: fear is being perceived as crazy when I know I
Speaker 1: am beyond a shadow of a doubt right about what
Speaker 1: I am saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you know what's scary about that, Ben, And
Speaker 2: I know this is probably going to hit me at
Speaker 2: some point in my life because I've had parents, or
Speaker 2: not parents, I've had grandparents hit with Alzheimers. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: And I feel like eventually that that's going to happen
Speaker 2: to me, and you will think you are one right, And.
Speaker 1: Dude, you need to see Black Mirror. There's an episode.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to get too far off topic,
Speaker 1: but that's that's like what you're described, Like, I can
Speaker 1: feel it in my spine right now, just you even
Speaker 1: saying that, because that's well.
Speaker 2: Some of some of those are like the best kind
Speaker 2: of horror movies too, where you're you have the unreliable
Speaker 2: narrator and you're seeing it from that angle and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, everybody else is crazy this guy's and
Speaker 2: then like Shutter Island is a perfect example that where
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, something's going on here, and and then
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, my god, it's it's.
Speaker 1: A shitty movie. But Thor the Dark No, Thor the
Speaker 1: Dark World too is a shitty no, no shut. Her
Speaker 1: Island's great, predictable but great. But but uh thor two
Speaker 1: when Eric Selvig Scarsguard's dad, he's in a mental institution
Speaker 1: the entire time, and then he walks out with a
Speaker 1: bag full of pills and then you see the flock
Speaker 1: of birds appear from a portal out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: basically scare the crap out all of them, and he
Speaker 1: throws that and he uh like looks at him smiling,
Speaker 1: and they're like, why are you smiling right now? And
Speaker 1: he's like, there's nothing better than realizing the whole world's
Speaker 1: crazier than you are, and shows him throw the pills
Speaker 1: away and keep walking. I'm like, I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that you call him Scarsguard's dad, where I
Speaker 2: think of stelling Scarsguard as scars Guard and the other
Speaker 2: guys are his sons. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just the you know, it's the context of how
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it, but get it. But in any event,
Speaker 1: so the movie helped me understand where the phenomenon stemmed
Speaker 1: from Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, do you know the original So the
Speaker 2: creepy pasta on this is it came from? I can't.
Speaker 2: According to Wikipedia, it came from somebody posting on like
Speaker 2: four Chan. I think of like, hey, post a weird
Speaker 2: post a photo of something that just doesn't feel right
Speaker 2: to you, you know, So somebody posted this photo. I
Speaker 2: mean you go in the back Room's Wikipedia. It's it's
Speaker 2: a shot that looks very similar to what we see
Speaker 2: in the back Rooms film and and and there.
Speaker 1: Which is a hobby lobby in Oscar.
Speaker 2: Gosh, Wisconsin, which is what I wanted to bring up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so so the so then since then, like stuff has
Speaker 2: under like they've they've made changes. There was like a
Speaker 2: race track there or something like a model race car
Speaker 2: track or something.
Speaker 1: A coworker of ours used to go there. It's a
Speaker 1: very surreal moment for him that everybody's learning about this.
Speaker 1: He's like, I remember doing this, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now it's I think that somebody else bought
Speaker 2: it and they ripped it all up, So it's totally
Speaker 2: different now. But that's where the original photo stem from,
Speaker 2: was in Osh Gosh, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they don't lean into in the movie. Which
Speaker 1: is disappointing. I think they intentionally keep it vague. It
Speaker 1: actually reminded me of and it's very Okay, let me
Speaker 1: start here. I have so many thoughts that I want
Speaker 1: to say about the setting because the whole concept and
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm going to look at the
Speaker 1: time now and if you determine what I.
Speaker 2: Said as a spoiler, then I'll take it out. Now.
Speaker 2: It's going to be tough to do this without well
Speaker 2: maybe we can, but just real quick before you say anything.
Speaker 2: As long as they're talking setting, Yeah, I love the
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I want to bring up about it.
Speaker 1: So the whole concept of the back Rooms, it is
Speaker 1: essentially a living entity trying to recreate the earth. Is
Speaker 1: that a fair thing without spoiling anything?
Speaker 2: But it's like, I don't know if we know that exactly.
Speaker 2: We know that there's something supernatural. Can I use the
Speaker 2: dog analogy that's used in this movie? Absolutely? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the way they describe it is picture if
Speaker 1: you've never seen.
Speaker 2: This is this is by the way, this is chielte
Speaker 2: Chel for his character trying to explain the back rooms
Speaker 2: to his therapist. Yes, and so if there's a point
Speaker 2: in the movie where he discovers this area underneath his store,
Speaker 2: right yeah, that he was not aware of, and it
Speaker 2: was it's a really weird, creepy, uncanny thing. And he's
Speaker 2: trying to explain this to his therapist, which he had
Speaker 2: already been seeing a therapist, like this was not his
Speaker 2: first okay, So she's trying to understand what he's talking
Speaker 2: about and what he sees down there. And then he
Speaker 2: uses the analogy and.
Speaker 1: He says, picture if you've never seen a dog, So
Speaker 1: I described one to you, like I justri like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Bashan has has poofy white hair and a nose like
Speaker 1: this and legs like this. And then I asked you
Speaker 1: to draw it. You'd get eighty percent of it right,
Speaker 1: but there would be obvious things because you've never seen it.
Speaker 1: It's not right, it's not perfect.
Speaker 2: It's off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what the back rooms creates. So then
Speaker 1: because of how I watched movies, the director of this
Speaker 1: movie was born after nine to eleven. He had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the nineties, so he is recreating the
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2: Ben Yeah, from stuff being told to him, exact stuff
Speaker 2: he seen.
Speaker 1: He didn't live it, and you and I are sitting
Speaker 1: there having been, you know, having experienced the nineties at
Speaker 1: slightly different points of our life, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: get that, like just the sheer mundaneness of the nineties
Speaker 1: because we weren't hyper connected, right, Like, there were elements
Speaker 1: of it that I was like, oh, this feels like
Speaker 1: the nineties, and other moments where I was like, well.
Speaker 2: The wardrobe, yeah, the furniture, yeah, the cars, the home
Speaker 2: settings like a CHAA four his home, the therapist's home, yeah,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. It really brought me back, and I think,
Speaker 2: and maybe this is why I liked it more than you,
Speaker 2: is I remember in the nineties. I mean I was
Speaker 2: I was a teenager beginning in nineteen ninety two, and
Speaker 2: I was teenager until nineteen ninety eight. So ninety two
Speaker 2: to ninety eight, I'm a teenager. That's the thick of
Speaker 2: the nineties, okay, And your brain probably undergoes the most
Speaker 2: changes in that time period, right, And so for me
Speaker 2: seeing this and bringing me back to that definitely stirred
Speaker 2: up some things and it made it even creepier, sure,
Speaker 2: to to sort of live out something that I never
Speaker 2: lived out, but I did live out anyway we're getting well.
Speaker 1: Wait, it's it's the kind of theming that I can
Speaker 1: appreciate though, because I'm like, oh, I get that element
Speaker 1: of it, and I think he does a very good job.
Speaker 1: It's a very good approximation of what the nineties are like.
Speaker 1: I I'll save that for another time, but I use
Speaker 1: the backrooms as an example in Outside the Box. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like a backrooms version of Outside the Box.
Speaker 1: It's like someone heard what I do and they're trying
Speaker 1: to copy it, but they really don't get it.
Speaker 2: Now. Now, the other thing that we should bring as
Speaker 2: long as we're talking about the copying of this, is this.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the commentary on AI in this? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? There's something like Mark Duplas's character
Speaker 2: we really don't see significantly until the final portion of
Speaker 2: the movie, but there's something else going on, like similar
Speaker 2: to was it the season three is Stranger Things or
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was, but we find out
Speaker 2: in season three. I think it was the opener that
Speaker 2: the premiere that the Russians have found the upside down
Speaker 2: or whatever, and so I think there's something there's a
Speaker 2: similar sort of aspect to back rooms of like this
Speaker 2: is kind of known by other people other than the
Speaker 2: main protagonist and then the therapist and what have.
Speaker 1: You, a little bit of world building. If they go
Speaker 1: the sequel route, there's enough pieces in place where they
Speaker 1: could expand upon it.
Speaker 2: There is an endless I mean, I went I googled
Speaker 2: because if like some of these YouTube shorts that were
Speaker 2: showing up in my feed, they're ranking the scariest entities
Speaker 2: that are in the back rooms, you know, that occupy
Speaker 2: the backrooms, and it's stuff that's really freaking stuff that
Speaker 2: shouldn't freak me out, but it did. And then I'm
Speaker 2: like the rabbit hole I fell down with all these
Speaker 2: different you know, the creepy pasta stuff that that people
Speaker 2: come up with, you know, Jeff the Killer and Ted
Speaker 2: the Caver or whatever it was called. It's it's really
Speaker 2: messed up, nightmare fuel stuff, you know. And so then
Speaker 2: I'm like, I watched this YouTube short ranking like the
Speaker 2: top five scariest entities in the back rooms. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: there's got to be more than that. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's fan fiction. It's it's it's on the internet. It's
Speaker 2: on Reddit, it's on four Chune it's it's it's everywhere.
Speaker 2: So everybody has this huge list. I mean, you can't
Speaker 2: even and Kane Parsons, granted he didn't come up with
Speaker 2: all this, but I'm sure he wants to pay off
Speaker 2: some of this stuff that fans have come up with,
Speaker 2: you know, for this you there's I mean we could
Speaker 2: be talking about like Fast X or or you know,
Speaker 2: something like just do ten movies of this stuff and
Speaker 2: I'll watch it. Yeah, and I think people will do.
Speaker 2: It's doing great at the box office.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely crushing it, and I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: what a lot of the purests, I think that's their
Speaker 1: main gripe with it. I've heard them call this boomer schlock,
Speaker 1: this back room a version because they're mad that it
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of this stuff that I'm only
Speaker 1: learning about, either in preparation for this or literally hearing
Speaker 1: you say it right now. And I think if that
Speaker 1: might be my biggest gripe with it. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of creating esque. But there's such long, creepy moments of
Speaker 1: nothing happening. And I will not spoil what the creature
Speaker 1: is in in this movie.
Speaker 2: Well it's I mean, hold on before you say creature.
Speaker 1: Entity. No, and no, not that.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like to assume that there is
Speaker 2: only one.
Speaker 1: Right, that's my point, But there really is only one.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that in the movie. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the movie I'm talking about there's only one.
Speaker 2: I think that there are other things that we don't
Speaker 2: exactly know what they are, but but they're definitely not inanimate. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: there's other things down there, Yeah, and what they are
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they kind of tell you
Speaker 2: a little bit at the end, but then I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: We have to talk about the ending at some point too.
Speaker 2: But there is one dominant, scary sort of thing, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know down there.
Speaker 1: And it's practical that we know of. There's definitely more.
Speaker 2: Well, think about this, Think about how this movie opens.
Speaker 2: Remember it's it's a found footage opening. Yeah, right, And
Speaker 2: what was there at the end of that found footage
Speaker 2: that couldn't have been right, you know? Or was it
Speaker 2: the same?
Speaker 1: But I don't know, we don't know, We don't know it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like again, you can do it well without having
Speaker 1: seen it. But there's just there's long lulls of atmosphere
Speaker 1: building and I would have welcomed maybe like this might
Speaker 1: be the creting part of me, but like I would
Speaker 1: have welcomed two or three more things to make me go, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm unsettled looking at this thing. And I would have
Speaker 1: liked to see the imagination. And that could be budgetary
Speaker 1: for the record, I mean, if you've got a million
Speaker 1: dollar budget and Victor Sweet is in the movie, that's
Speaker 1: a big portion of the budget right there.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: And then you got the rest of the cast, which
Speaker 1: isn't working for free, everybody behind the scenes. So like,
Speaker 1: there comes a time when very obviously, assuming the success
Speaker 1: of this, we're probably going to see a twenty million
Speaker 1: dollar budget for the sequel here, and I imagine a
Speaker 1: little bit more fanfare.
Speaker 2: I guess, but I mean I don't. I think part
Speaker 2: of what makes this so great I was bringing this
Speaker 2: up on your show, this analog horror. I mean, the
Speaker 2: first back rooms video that you see on YouTube is
Speaker 2: I mean costs like nothing. And then he used Kane
Speaker 2: Parsons that he used some I can't remember what programming
Speaker 2: used to create some other stuff in there. And it's
Speaker 2: like it's it's lower than low budget and it's scary
Speaker 2: as all get up. Yeah, and so I think, like,
Speaker 2: even if you do something like this again, you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily need to break the bank. I think part of
Speaker 2: what was so great about this was that it was
Speaker 2: so low budget. And you know, I think back of
Speaker 2: we talked about I compared obsession to undertone done right. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I think backrooms applies here as well, because this
Speaker 2: was another thing that you know, I'm unsettled by seeing
Speaker 2: some of this stuff that obviously seems out of place.
Speaker 2: This goes back to the whole liminal, liminal space aspect. Right,
Speaker 2: So if you're in a backroom, this huge back room
Speaker 2: and they're mostly empty, there's some random stuff in it,
Speaker 2: that's creepy because we are we go in rooms that
Speaker 2: are full of stuff for a reason. We go into
Speaker 2: a conference room here at the station and it's empty,
Speaker 2: or we go in a classroom and it's empty. That's
Speaker 2: a little creepy, right, because there's chairs in there, there's
Speaker 2: a table. This is set up for human life, and
Speaker 2: there's no human life in there. Long hallways in hotels,
Speaker 2: backrooms underneath furniture stores, deserted malls, spaces that were built
Speaker 2: to be housing flourishing human life. There's nothing there and
Speaker 2: it's quiet and nothing's moving.
Speaker 1: So is that a comment on modern society? Like I
Speaker 1: left that theater to go into a movie theater, like
Speaker 1: the physical theater, to go into the bulk of the theater.
Speaker 1: Now nobody's standing there.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: You go to the mall and you see ten percent
Speaker 1: of the people that you're using. We've talked about the mall.
Speaker 1: You go, we did Mortal Kombat. Be like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: went to the mall, just a freaking hang out. You
Speaker 1: weren't even going to buy something. It was just everybody
Speaker 1: was at the mall. That were lines everywhere, people everywhere.
Speaker 1: Now it's a ghost town. A lot of the gen
Speaker 1: Z people who grew up on this back room stuff.
Speaker 1: This is the only version of America they know. Is
Speaker 1: almost like a backrooms version of America. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: kind of crazy when you think about it, which I
Speaker 1: love that element.
Speaker 2: The way to see this movie is you wait until
Speaker 2: it's just out of just about to be out of theaters,
Speaker 2: and nobody knows and you're the only ones seeing back
Speaker 2: rooms in an empty theater. Mother of God, wear a diaper,
Speaker 2: you know, just that that kind of stuff. So obviously
Speaker 2: I'm I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but I think
Speaker 2: that's that's what did it for me. And then and
Speaker 2: then at the point, now I didn't, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: I should have broken it down. I did read some
Speaker 2: stuff on the internet. But why are these objects here?
Speaker 2: Why are they placed in the order they are? Why
Speaker 2: do they seem a little off. There's a scene with
Speaker 2: a bunch of laundry. Yeah, and I found this out
Speaker 2: on the internet afterwards. But in the laundry is a
Speaker 2: T shirt of one of the characters who enters the
Speaker 2: back rooms, right, And I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: a perfect copy of it or you know, if it
Speaker 2: was the actually you know, I don't know. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: and so stuff like that is just it's just like
Speaker 2: and then you you know, why is there a pool?
Speaker 2: Why is there a random pool? Why do we have
Speaker 2: these weird tunnels and passageways that seem to throw off
Speaker 2: your sense of gravity a little bit and throw off
Speaker 2: your sense of the There's a staircase, uh that seemingly
Speaker 2: goes to a door on a ceiling, which you don't
Speaker 2: have doors like that on a ceiling, like a regular door.
Speaker 2: You will be you know, in these close confined spaces
Speaker 2: in this movie with the protagonist, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I'll open up to this wide, huge chasm
Speaker 2: that that that has that that's not it that that
Speaker 2: was designed like there's there's actual details in there, and.
Speaker 1: It's it's just it's so weird, right.
Speaker 2: And so creepy. And the lighting and the way that
Speaker 2: they you know, you have this feel of like this weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, man, I've always been creeped
Speaker 2: out by like this weird yellow fluorescent lighting, especially in
Speaker 2: an empty room. And then the color, yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 2: the color, like the color of the of this of
Speaker 2: this right here in this production studio we're in. This
Speaker 2: is not all that dissimilar maybe your coffee of of
Speaker 2: the the colors of the of the walls in the
Speaker 2: back rooms. And I was thinking back to the there's
Speaker 2: a line in Ocean's eleven where they're setting up the
Speaker 2: video camera to get access to all the cameras of
Speaker 2: the casino and Clooney and pit A watch again and
Speaker 2: Clooney goes, why do they always paint uh walls that color?
Speaker 2: And Brad Pitt goes, well, they say, tope is soothing
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I look at you know, like the
Speaker 2: this tope ish kind of color, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: not soothed by this. Yeah, I don't know, man, Like
Speaker 2: I just I'm I'm going off on this right now.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you that this element of these of
Speaker 2: weird structures and yet familiar, and then the way that
Speaker 2: that the film is shot, the way that it's lit,
Speaker 2: it's it's super I mean easy to I shouldn't say
Speaker 2: easy to do, but on the surface it's you know,
Speaker 2: this is not brilliant Avatar cinematography, and yet it had
Speaker 2: more of an effect on me than watching something like that.
Speaker 1: And I'd argue, and I'm hopeful because you didn't mention this,
Speaker 1: so you're either going to take all the wind out
Speaker 1: of my sales or I'm so excited to tell you this.
Speaker 1: But did you realize that the back rooms recreated the
Speaker 1: furniture store commercial that was one of the rooms that
Speaker 1: they were in. Okay, So, like all of it seems random,
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm going to see it a second time,
Speaker 1: because I did not realize that. The only reason I
Speaker 1: did is because it normally that's the kind of shit
Speaker 1: I realized. Yeah, but I went with Laura Lee from
Speaker 1: apl and she was like, did you notice that they
Speaker 1: redid the pirate the Pirate Clark commercial from the from
Speaker 1: the opening, And I was like no, when she was
Speaker 1: like when the shoes were there and the chair was there,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't put that together at all,
Speaker 1: Like now I need to look at every scene in
Speaker 1: the movie anyone.
Speaker 2: Else they were creating, because I'm sure if we did
Speaker 2: break that down. While it seems random on the surface, again, you.
Speaker 1: Probably see it at random times throughout the entire movie,
Speaker 1: even all the way up into the last scene.
Speaker 2: It's not random, right, It's by design, right.
Speaker 1: But it's by design. It's kind of like I always
Speaker 1: refer back to this because, like I put this movie
Speaker 1: in it follows territory. Like I know it's a good movie,
Speaker 1: and I know I enjoy it, but there's just certain
Speaker 1: elements I'm like, ah, I just wish it gave me
Speaker 1: a little more of like the Bend style of movie.
Speaker 1: And if you watch it follows you look at the
Speaker 1: TVs and the TVs from the nineteen fifties, yea, the
Speaker 1: cars are from the nineteen eighties. At one point, a
Speaker 1: girl is using a makeup kit like a mirror and
Speaker 1: she opens it and it looks like she's putting makeup on,
Speaker 1: but it's a kindle that's not even a thing that exists,
Speaker 1: so like there's no tech, like there's no way to
Speaker 1: pinpoint exactly when this movie is happening, and there's like
Speaker 1: something uneasy about that the entire movie. And this has
Speaker 1: a similar effect like that, it's stuff you don't even notice.
Speaker 1: It's the thing that I was like, wait a minute, those
Speaker 1: cars weren't around at the same time that that TV
Speaker 1: was around, and why does she have this? And it's
Speaker 1: the subtle things. Then you watch it because I've seen
Speaker 1: a third time, despite the fact I can't stop crap
Speaker 1: talking that movie.
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You realize that she never mentions her dad. She never
Speaker 1: talks about her dad in the movie, but there's a
Speaker 1: picture of them randomly in one of the scenes, and
Speaker 1: then at one point it takes the image of her dad,
Speaker 1: but they don't even emphasize that it's her dad in
Speaker 1: any way. You're just supposed to notice because you notice
Speaker 1: the picture in the one random scene. And then that's
Speaker 1: the guy who's following her at one point, clearly implying
Speaker 1: that there were some nefarious things going on. Back in
Speaker 1: the day. And it's the kind of thing where like,
Speaker 1: if you're kind of watching it, you're like, this movie's fine,
Speaker 1: be like no, that's attention to detail. That's good filmmaking,
Speaker 1: and I should appreciate this more than I do. And
Speaker 1: that's my best way of describing the back rooms as well.
Speaker 1: There were so many scenes. At one point, the therapist
Speaker 1: is having a flashback and it almost looks like a
Speaker 1: crane is dropping stuff on them, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's the point of this scene. Like I kept waiting
Speaker 1: for that to come back into it and like it doesn't,
Speaker 1: and like, I'm sure it meant something that I don't
Speaker 1: understand because I didn't notice something else in the movie.
Speaker 1: But I was sitting there and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what was that? Why is what? Did her mom die there?
Speaker 1: Or she remembering that? But that's not what it is.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, I can't spoil anything. Like, that's not what
Speaker 1: it is at all. It had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the plot, at least in my perception for the rest
Speaker 1: of the movie.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like this film you mentioned the long
Speaker 2: stretches without dialogue, do you feel like it would have
Speaker 2: been more of a disservice to have more dialogue, because
Speaker 2: I feel like the less dialogue in this the better.
Speaker 2: And I feel and the other thing too, And you're
Speaker 2: kind of making me realize this is we talk about it.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's not a lot of dialogue on
Speaker 2: purpose because we're supposed to notice other details, you know,
Speaker 2: we're supposed to take in Okay, why is that there? Okay,
Speaker 2: what's the purpose of this? Why was this place here?
Speaker 2: Why are we seeing this? Why are you know? And
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I feel like, you know, more
Speaker 2: dialogue probably would have heard it. And then you know,
Speaker 2: when we do get that heavy dialogue scene at the
Speaker 2: end of the movie, I have so many questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after that, absolutely and like, to me the best
Speaker 1: dialogue because I found myself thinking, I don't know. If
Speaker 1: you've watched Room two forty three, which is a documentary
Speaker 1: about the Shining the making of the Shining, there is
Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's eight different movie theorists and they talk
Speaker 1: about what they get out of the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh really, And.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a clip of Stanley Kubrick talking and
Speaker 1: he says, I didn't want my actors to recreate He
Speaker 1: holds up like a picture of a family smiling, but
Speaker 1: like you never know what's happening when the picture is
Speaker 1: not happening. He said, I don't want the people in
Speaker 1: this film to recreate the photograph. I want them to
Speaker 1: recreate a photograph of the photograph. And that has been
Speaker 1: such a high level I'm not sure to understand it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that always resonated with me, and I found myself
Speaker 1: thinking about that with the concept of the back rooms,
Speaker 1: which the way, because there's a lot of like one
Speaker 1: of the major themes is just re redoing your same
Speaker 1: mistakes over and over again. And to me, that was
Speaker 1: my favorite scene of the entire movie, is when the
Speaker 1: psychiatrist goes in she runs into Clark, the main character,
Speaker 1: and they have the same conversation word for word, yeah,
Speaker 1: that they had earlier in the movie, but like much
Speaker 1: more intense. And I was like, oh, like that. If
Speaker 1: that scene didn't exist, I probably would have come in
Speaker 1: here much more angry about this movie. But that scene
Speaker 1: happened and I was like, Okay, no, this is good.
Speaker 1: This is a good movie. I can understand why people
Speaker 1: like this. And I'd argue it was like forty percent
Speaker 1: of all the dialog in the movie.
Speaker 2: Well you say that, but I mean there was I
Speaker 2: mean the first half hour or so, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on. Sure, yeah, And that's a lot
Speaker 2: of that set up. You know, he's talking to the
Speaker 2: electrician coworkers, he's talking to this film crew, he's talking
Speaker 2: with his therapist or whatever. Do we ever see his wife?
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever see.
Speaker 1: His Well I don't think so.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of setup to it, which is
Speaker 2: good because then that that accentuates how the tone of
Speaker 2: the entire film changes after that.
Speaker 1: And this is two movies in a row where we're
Speaker 1: talking about relatable themes because I think there's very few people.
Speaker 1: I'm almost sporty, and I find my inner monologue sometimes
Speaker 1: being like, dude, you're twenty years removed from college, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you still do the same bonehead and shit that
Speaker 1: you were doing twenty years ago, Like what's the matter
Speaker 1: with you? And then you sit there watching this movie
Speaker 1: You're like, Ah, this movie speaks to me right now.
Speaker 1: I think most people can probably relate to that kind
Speaker 1: of attitude because we always can improve in some way,
Speaker 1: And like that entire aesthetic of that scene, I don't
Speaker 1: want to you know, the other people that were in
Speaker 1: the room with them.
Speaker 2: There's Yeah, so it's tough to it's tough to bring
Speaker 2: that up. But I think we can talk about at
Speaker 2: least certain things I want to talk about. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: number one, what do you think happened to the character
Speaker 2: that we see in that scene? But she doesn't say anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you know what?
Speaker 2: Okay? All right? Now there are things on the plates
Speaker 2: in that scene, or at least one the plates.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I don't remember, you do? Yeah, chewelte chea
Speaker 1: for his character takes a hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember. Okay, Yeah, what is that? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, I actually I have a theory about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: but if I I.
Speaker 2: Can't say it without it.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I'll be vague. Can you tell me?
Speaker 1: Thirty two twenty? Okay, I think it's furniture stuffing because
Speaker 1: that's what's on his mind. It can't be, but that's
Speaker 1: that's him. He's a furniture store guy. So him, it's
Speaker 1: a recreation of.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can eat that stuff. No you can't, No,
Speaker 2: you can't. It's it's something else. It's got to be
Speaker 2: something else. I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think a lot of the movie
Speaker 1: went over my head, and I pride myself on it
Speaker 1: being hard to get I'm tall man, it's hard to
Speaker 1: get over that head.
Speaker 2: Well what okay, So what is the theme you you mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, making the same mistake over and over again.
Speaker 2: I said, it's a commentary on AI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the making the same mistake. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a commentary on gen Z's experience in America that
Speaker 1: you and I can't relate to as much, but we're
Speaker 1: slowly related. Even in the media world. I did radio
Speaker 1: in a top thirty market that barely had more staff
Speaker 1: than we do here in Appleton, and in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three there were so many people working in that
Speaker 1: building that at Pittsburgh Radio station had a correspondent in
Speaker 1: the Middle East that we could reach out to any
Speaker 1: point and bring them on the show to talk about
Speaker 1: what was happening over there. And now we had one
Speaker 1: reporter in general. And just like the reduction the shrinking
Speaker 1: office spaces, whether you're talking about COVID or the fact
Speaker 1: that people don't need as many spaces anymore, I think
Speaker 1: there's just an element of I think he's saying a
Speaker 1: lot of things about that, whether or not anything is
Speaker 1: actually said, or whether or not it's just hearkening to
Speaker 1: these feelings. I have no idea, but I think the
Speaker 1: overarching theme because the back Rooms duplicates it's about duplicating
Speaker 1: your mistakes. It's about doing the same things. It feels repetitive.
Speaker 1: The movie feels repetitive at times, but in a good way.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the overarching theme of it.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that when they role play the conversation
Speaker 1: with the wife the second time, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is actually brilliant because like he knows, he's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be saying this, and here he is saying
Speaker 1: it again. I will say though, and I think we
Speaker 1: might have talked about this off the air last week.
Speaker 1: I do think his attitude and the way he carried
Speaker 1: himself at that point was unjustified. Now, for all I know,
Speaker 1: he was in the back Rooms for three weeks and
Speaker 1: there was just a time jump he didn't see. Okay,
Speaker 1: I found it unjustified. So that was a big issue.
Speaker 2: Okay, So a couple of things with that. So number one,
Speaker 2: when I see this again, when not if I have
Speaker 2: to pay attention to the time stamps in the videos. Sure,
Speaker 2: I have to pay attention to what is in what
Speaker 2: we see in the back rooms compared to what we
Speaker 2: see in the real world, and how long it takes
Speaker 2: for us to see a version of that in the
Speaker 2: back rooms. I think that's important as well. I'm also
Speaker 2: unconvinced that well, I'm definitely unconvinced. I don't know how
Speaker 2: time works in there. Sure, I mean it could work very,
Speaker 2: very differently. We're talking about essentially another dimension, So I
Speaker 2: don't know how time works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Interstellar when you're on the island on
Speaker 1: the planet, Like every time the thing beats, it's another
Speaker 1: year of my life. Yeah, the did you know that?
Speaker 1: By the way, like there's a clock ticking in that.
Speaker 2: There was this this is Interstellar came out like what
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, four six, six, okay, well whatever
Speaker 2: it was, and it was so long an epic that
Speaker 2: there's so much of that that I and it's one
Speaker 2: of those Nolan things. Not to pick on Christopher Nolan,
Speaker 2: because I think he does brilliant things, but man, there's
Speaker 2: some of his movies, man, where there's just stretches where
Speaker 2: I'm like, I am not intelligent enough to assume this.
Speaker 2: And I personally try watching like that, that'll make you
Speaker 2: feel so stupid.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but yeah, in any event, so
Speaker 1: you don't know how the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't know how time work. Except so
Speaker 2: now Clark, who was the main character, could have been
Speaker 2: in there, and and and this is one thing I
Speaker 2: am pretty sure of. I think the more time you
Speaker 2: spend in the back rooms, the worse it is for
Speaker 2: your psyche and your sanity. And I think we get
Speaker 2: you know, this other Mark Duplace's kind of group or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think they're kind of getting that sense too.
Speaker 1: He's becoming a horror icon.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen creep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So here's the other thing I was reading.
Speaker 2: I think it was on Vulture today because I was
Speaker 2: getting ready for this, and there was a link to
Speaker 2: Mark Duplas's creep. Okay, and there was a link They
Speaker 2: were talking about Mark Duplas's creep in this back rooms article.
Speaker 2: So I click on the link and it brings up
Speaker 2: it's like a story. I can't remember what website it is.
Speaker 2: It's like one of these BuzzFeed type things, and it's
Speaker 2: like found footage movies that are actually good. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So obviously blair Witch is like the number one on there.
Speaker 2: They didn't really rank them, they just listed a bunch.
Speaker 2: There's an of them, and they're showing screenshots for each one,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, that this is like two weeks
Speaker 2: worth of stuff of stuff I need to see. And
Speaker 2: his creep was on there. But I need to go
Speaker 2: and read about some of these movies and see because
Speaker 2: I'm sure some of them. I'm like, I have to
Speaker 2: see this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Be careful of that, because like, so, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: back Rooms is almost like this generation's blair Witch, like
Speaker 1: something that if I were ten and this came out,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, is the back Rooms real? Because I
Speaker 1: was twelve when the blair Witch came out and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, am I actually watching these people get
Speaker 1: like it was like a big thing. I'd argue blair
Speaker 1: Witch isn't a very good movie.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this. I didn't watch it until
Speaker 2: the hype grew to a fever pitch and I was disappointed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was similar to this, not a
Speaker 1: lot of dialogue, a lot of build up, but not
Speaker 1: nearly as engaging or entertaining or yeah.
Speaker 2: But I will say too, think about think about what
Speaker 2: blair Witch it was like, all these unknowns. Sure you know,
Speaker 2: unknown director, unknown writer, unknown actors, whereas this you actually have.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I should. I'm gonna get back
Speaker 2: to Lark in a second, but I want to say
Speaker 2: this before I forget. So the woman who played the therapist,
Speaker 2: her name is I believe Renata Rensva rains Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: okay whatever r e I n s V pronounce that.
Speaker 2: Do you know who was originally slated to play this character?
Speaker 2: And maybe I Oh, no, I told stirfriy this. I
Speaker 2: didn't tell you this. Kristin Malatti from How I Met
Speaker 2: your Mother and the Penguin Fan. She was the Falcone
Speaker 2: and she was supposed to play the therapist. But there
Speaker 2: are scheduling stuffs and I've never heard of Branada Rensvit.
Speaker 2: I haven't no idea what else she's been in or whatever. Okay,
Speaker 2: getting back to Clark.
Speaker 1: So oh, and I do just want to say sorry
Speaker 1: to interrupt, but the only reason I brought up blair
Speaker 1: Witch is because Creep and Creep two are worth watching
Speaker 1: most of that movies suck. I enjoyed both.
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you a link to this because
Speaker 2: I left it. I purposely left it open at work
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I got to get into this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to send you a link to it. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've seen and definitely heard of some of these movies,
Speaker 2: but maybe some of you haven't. And they look they look,
Speaker 2: i mean look pretty good anyway, and they could all
Speaker 2: suck to who so so Clark clearly something happens to
Speaker 2: him mentally, Okay, yes, when he's down.
Speaker 1: There, h felt unjustified.
Speaker 2: But we don't know. I'm gonna get to I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get to that in a second. The scene where she
Speaker 2: is kind of wandering around down there, and there's this
Speaker 2: screenshot of like she like calls out like hello or
Speaker 2: Clark or something, and then we just see this empty
Speaker 2: hallway and then all of a sudden, it's just a
Speaker 2: real subtle move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is it's just so good.
Speaker 2: I know you don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just to me, it's like the creepy
Speaker 1: how many people have ever been in a room and
Speaker 1: you know nothing's in there with you, and you know
Speaker 1: nothing's moving and your mind and your eyes start playing
Speaker 1: tricks on you, and then this happened. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was bro and your backs to a wall, a
Speaker 1: literal wall. So it's like I gotta go forward. Yeah
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like moving moving through these back rooms
Speaker 2: like would have been terrifying. I would have been paralyzed
Speaker 2: by fear and and I'll tell you, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about the justification for his reaction a second. What
Speaker 2: was the justification? What was his obsession with going in there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean that must just be like a different Every
Speaker 2: human's different. We all want to do different things. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine if my fingers touched that wall, and not
Speaker 2: only that. Yeah, I'm selling that store. I'm getting the
Speaker 2: heck out of there, and I'm moving across the country.
Speaker 2: I don't care right that that's you want to get
Speaker 2: as far away from that as possible.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even sell the store because I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: there to be a record, because you know, the government's
Speaker 1: coming after the second they find out you found a portal.
Speaker 1: So I'm not even I'm just moving on. I'm not
Speaker 1: telling anybody what I saw. I'm not touching that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm calling it. I'm calling it a day. And there
Speaker 1: was a Simpsons episode, a Halloween episode where they find
Speaker 1: a portal like that and it turns out turns them
Speaker 1: all three D like they're no longer cartoons anymore.
Speaker 2: And I just I just feel like, you know, you
Speaker 2: don't know if it's good or you don't know if
Speaker 2: it's evil.
Speaker 1: But there could be monsters, there could be demons, there
Speaker 1: could be anything. But the other side, we talk we talk.
Speaker 2: About range of outcomes and fantasy football all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, like like you can't just put a projection
Speaker 2: on a player, you can't just.
Speaker 1: Score ceilings all that jazz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so think about for like a portal or whatever
Speaker 2: we saw in back rooms. There's a range of outcomes. Right, Sure,
Speaker 2: this could be great it's on the other side, but
Speaker 2: I'm not betting on it. No, that is an extremely,
Speaker 2: extremely likely scenario where whatever is there is not meant
Speaker 2: for humans. Dude.
Speaker 1: I have to use GPS to get to freaking Nina still,
Speaker 1: and like do things in Nina. I'm not going in
Speaker 1: this round round.
Speaker 2: No. I use GPS all the time, but it's more
Speaker 2: so like so I know when I'm going to get
Speaker 2: to a spot or it's that, and like I know,
Speaker 2: like around town, I know my way around, but I
Speaker 2: want to know the fastest way, so I'll always plug
Speaker 2: it into my GPS to make sure I'm taking the
Speaker 2: fastest way there. Sorry, but they say that makes you
Speaker 2: stupider the more I believe that the more you use GPS.
Speaker 2: Which is unfortunate that I'm getting.
Speaker 1: Stupider, but it happens. And being lost.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to why you thought the reaction
Speaker 2: from Clark was not justified and the problem you had
Speaker 2: with that. Yeah, so I don't We'll dance around this
Speaker 2: as much as we can without revealing anything.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh well, I mean that that that's essentially
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from, because you follow essentially the movie
Speaker 1: is Clark's movie for the first hour more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you kind of can tell, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to be following the psychiatrist the rest of
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: This is just only like fifteen minutes ago, yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe twenty yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't feel abrupt or anything. It's not like
Speaker 1: you're thrown off or anything like that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you see quite a bit of Clark going into the
Speaker 1: back rooms, coming out, finding friends to go in with,
Speaker 1: and going back out again and doing all these different things,
Speaker 1: seen different rooms, seeing different things, and there was no
Speaker 1: gradual descent. There was no mister Chips the scarface. It
Speaker 1: was just like normal furniture salesman guy that has no
Speaker 1: concept of what's real and what's not, which, like, again,
Speaker 1: a lot of what is in there would be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. So I get that, but it
Speaker 1: just feels like it happened in like a day.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why time moves differently there.
Speaker 1: It might, you know, it might, but they don't do
Speaker 1: anything that tells me that.
Speaker 2: And so okay, well here's the other thing, Ben, let's
Speaker 2: just let's throw the time concept out. I'm like, and
Speaker 2: I'm speaking just for me, because that's I know who
Speaker 2: I am. Being down there, Hey, even for a little
Speaker 2: bit and seeing all that weird stuff, maybe my mind
Speaker 2: would go pretty quick too, you know, maybe I would
Speaker 2: start you know, changing, reality would start changing for me
Speaker 2: pretty quick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, no, but here's the deal. You're you're Clark in this.
Speaker 1: You're not You're not Bulky. You chose to go in there,
Speaker 1: you left multiple times a familiar face. Did he in
Speaker 1: no way, It's not like he didn't know who she was.
Speaker 1: Like you're like, oh, thank god, somebody that knows where
Speaker 1: to go to get out of here. She just is
Speaker 1: because things happen in the plot. But what he cannot
Speaker 1: get back, it's not even about getting back. Do you
Speaker 1: remember the voicemail that he left her. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: to me it seemed like he made his decision like
Speaker 1: and and and by the way, consider what's going on
Speaker 1: with this dude's life.
Speaker 2: His business is failing. Yes, he's obviously got a drinking problem.
Speaker 2: His wife does not allow him to live at home.
Speaker 2: He at one point was a talented architect or an
Speaker 2: up and coming architect, and now he's running this failing
Speaker 2: furniture store and he's making these awful, hacky commercials. There's
Speaker 2: nothing for him, sure on the outside. And yet he
Speaker 2: finds this back rooms thing, and may maybe he looks
Speaker 2: at it from the standpoint of, you know, we look
Speaker 2: at her like, oh, this is bad, this is evil,
Speaker 2: this is not good. I don't know, maybe he looked
Speaker 2: at it from the standpoint of like, this is the
Speaker 2: coolest thing that's ever happened to him, and he wants
Speaker 2: to explore and learn more. Maybe he found something that
Speaker 2: nobody else knows about and he might have stopped. So
Speaker 2: then you start framing it in your mind. Now, bad
Speaker 2: stuff did happen, right, Yeah, and he knows bad stuff
Speaker 2: happened in there, dude. The scene where he is talking
Speaker 2: to I think her name is Karen, the Finn Bennett's
Speaker 2: character's girlfriend, like his assistant manager was that. Her name
Speaker 2: Karen doesn't really matter, but she's on one side of
Speaker 2: a wall and she's talking to him. Yeah, and she
Speaker 2: can see him, and the camera shot is at the
Speaker 2: very back of the room that Clark's in. He's at
Speaker 2: the wayfront, and she starts screaming behind you, behind you,
Speaker 2: and then the camera picks up. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Ah, dude, it's just I'm telling you, man, And maybe
Speaker 3: it's just it's cheap thrills that does it for me,
Speaker 3: But no, I'm just the little beats that we have
Speaker 3: that the setup, the execution, more set up, more execution.
Speaker 2: It just it just was one thing after another and
Speaker 2: was just totally engrossed the whole time, totally creeped out. Dude.
Speaker 2: I tried to watch I told you, I tried to
Speaker 2: watch some of these back rooms videos on YouTube. I
Speaker 2: was really unsettled. They are not easy to watch. And
Speaker 2: then I get done with it and like, god, I
Speaker 2: want to watch that again. Even though it's not pleasant
Speaker 2: watching it. It's really it's a sick thing to really
Speaker 2: try to describe. I don't know, Yeah, I feel it.
Speaker 1: And again I don't want it to sound because you're
Speaker 1: exactly right, and maybe to a certain extent, a certain extent,
Speaker 1: more dialogue, more monsters, it would have trivialized what was
Speaker 1: and so the things that were there. The scene we
Speaker 1: keep talking about at the dinner table, there were other
Speaker 1: characters there, and like everything that happened in that scene.
Speaker 1: I admit I'm not a jumper ever, and I didn't
Speaker 1: jump this time either, but only out of male ego
Speaker 1: and pride, because like I felt it in my chest
Speaker 1: when at one point one character just starts running out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. It's just like it's like boom, I'm gone,
Speaker 1: and it was. It reminded me to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: but it's not the same feeling. But there's a scene
Speaker 1: and get Out where one of the characters is sprinting
Speaker 1: directly at the camera and the camera is essentially acting
Speaker 1: as another character's eyes, and like the music really isn't
Speaker 1: even playing, and it's just a person running as fast
Speaker 1: as they can directly at you without saying anything. I
Speaker 1: remember feeling that much chest like oh god, I hate
Speaker 1: this right now, and I felt that way again, and
Speaker 1: like that's a nice feeling, because especially with how much
Speaker 1: of this stuff that I have seen in my life,
Speaker 1: it's hard to get me there anymore, and this movie
Speaker 1: did get there. So like, I don't want you guys
Speaker 1: to think like this isn't gonna be getting some five
Speaker 1: or six, but I think, as you said, it's important
Speaker 1: to keep expectations in check. And I think there was
Speaker 1: a yeah, a movement around this film that really thought me,
Speaker 1: made me think I was going to see something transcendent,
Speaker 1: as opposed to like.
Speaker 2: See I did. Yeah to me, this it hit it
Speaker 2: hit me in all the weird spots in my mind
Speaker 2: that I had either forgotten about yeah or didn't realize
Speaker 2: we're there. I don't know, we'll get to it later on.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that dinner scene here, so again I'm
Speaker 2: not going to try to give too much away. We
Speaker 2: already talked about how the back rooms sort of whatever
Speaker 2: they are, whoever they are. I think it's more what
Speaker 2: are recreating, like the dog analogy we brought for you know,
Speaker 2: where it's it's it's a recreation of something that's described,
Speaker 2: but it's not perfect. Okay, Clearly there is an entity
Speaker 2: down there that is, no doubt mimicking a character in
Speaker 2: this Yeah, okay, think about the other participants in that
Speaker 2: inner scene. Who were they? Yeah? Right? Did we find out? Uh?
Speaker 1: No, we did not, at least not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2: Again that there was one that was standing up in
Speaker 2: that scene that to me was not dressed in a
Speaker 2: way you would expect a person to dress in that
Speaker 2: time era. I have, I have, I'd have to look
Speaker 2: at it again, but that's what struck me on it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, well, we never saw anything like
Speaker 2: this previous, at least I didn't remember. And then I
Speaker 2: see that, and then there's another character sitting down that
Speaker 2: we clearly yeah, I mean, there was nothing there. So
Speaker 2: then you wonder how long? And then I go back
Speaker 2: to that time stamp from the from the film of
Speaker 2: or from the found footage that that opened the film,
Speaker 2: and it's like, my god, how long has this have
Speaker 2: they known? About this or how long have people how
Speaker 2: long has this existed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just and like the movie was messing with
Speaker 1: me so much at that point that I thought the
Speaker 1: sitting down I couldn't tell. Like I remember staring very
Speaker 1: vividly at the character that was sitting down. I'm like,
Speaker 1: is that person moving right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I turned the lights on the I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, all right, he's moving now.
Speaker 2: There's a scene dude in back room. Like the video,
Speaker 2: the first video I saw, I might have been the
Speaker 2: first video that Cane Parsons came up with where the
Speaker 2: person recording is flipping a light switch on and off
Speaker 2: multiple times on top of a staircase and he's looking
Speaker 2: down and I'm like, stop flipping, just leave it, just
Speaker 2: leave it on. Stop because I know what's going to
Speaker 2: happen here.
Speaker 1: It's just so I'm telling you, I can't really, I
Speaker 1: can't really explain what this movie did to me. And
Speaker 1: I know that sounds stupid and lazy and hyperbolic or whatever,
Speaker 1: but there's just I just think I found my jam
Speaker 1: here when it comes to horror.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: And it says something because again I have not seen
Speaker 1: any of the shorts. Yeah, There's a very famous short
Speaker 1: which I might have even sent you before because I
Speaker 1: tell anybody with ears to watch it. But it's called
Speaker 1: lights Out and it won like a short festival ten
Speaker 1: ish years ago, and they ended up turning it into
Speaker 1: a PG thirteen horror movie called lights Out that sucked.
Speaker 1: It was awful. It was awful for an hour and
Speaker 1: a half. The ninety second short it starts with her
Speaker 1: flicking the lights on and off and what ultimately it
Speaker 1: chills me to my business on YouTube. Yeah, we'll watch
Speaker 1: it after, Okay, cool. It's very short. It really hits
Speaker 1: home in a lot of ways, and it's just done
Speaker 1: in a way that's so creepy. And then they completely
Speaker 1: missed the mark in the movie, and having not seen
Speaker 1: the shorts here, it feels like they captured that sincere
Speaker 1: dread you felt in the ninety seconds or however long
Speaker 1: the YouTube shorts were four ninety minutes or however long
Speaker 1: the movie is roughly ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: Sometimes bigger and well. I say this about SNL sketches
Speaker 2: all the time. Sure people always ask me. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: did you see this SNL movie? You see this? No?
Speaker 2: I have no interest because one joke yeah, well it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily one joke, but it's just one idea. It's
Speaker 2: one theme, and you play it out and it's not
Speaker 2: meant to be ye, ninety minutes. It's meant to be
Speaker 2: four or five minutes, and then that's it, right, And
Speaker 2: that's why a lot of SnO movies quite frankly.
Speaker 1: Suck exactly, you know, but they make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: So sure, sure, but this one I think did capture.
Speaker 1: Like again, there were moments when I was creeped out.
Speaker 1: What sucks is I don't know that I could really
Speaker 1: put a finger on why I walked out of there,
Speaker 1: like in my and I think we disagree on this
Speaker 1: of the double feature of horror that we basically have done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I even though it was more predictable, more wrote feel
Speaker 1: like I got more out of obsession, whereas you were
Speaker 1: kind of leaning, okay towards.
Speaker 2: So we were talking about in one of the companies
Speaker 2: I work for, we have a you know, slack the yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so we use slack for that, and we have all
Speaker 2: these different channels and I don't remember what got posted
Speaker 2: in the random channel, but somebody mentioned a movie and
Speaker 2: or no, I think I just brought up somebody mentioned
Speaker 2: a movie, and I brought up, yeah, backrooms is really good, guys,
Speaker 2: and a bunch of people in their commented that they
Speaker 2: had also seen both Obsession and back Rooms, and I
Speaker 2: was the only one that liked Backrooms better than Obsessions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. Everybody else said, oh yeah, backrooms was pretty good,
Speaker 2: and and a lot of they had seen a lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff that Caane Parsons had done on YouTube
Speaker 2: prior to this, but they're like, yeah, Obsession. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, it was good, but I just think that
Speaker 2: creepy aesthetic in back rooms, that the use of negative sound.
Speaker 1: It just way more unique, yeah, way more. It just
Speaker 1: it hit me a lot harder, you know, no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. And maybe that's an age thing, age two
Speaker 1: an age thing too as well for me, because you know,
Speaker 1: I've worked in I used to work at the Mayfair
Speaker 1: Mall in Milwaukee, and I've been down there where it's
Speaker 1: just all this empty, weird, you know, so I've it's
Speaker 1: in the Valley. I think I brought this up the
Speaker 1: Valley Fair Mall, which I don't think was around when
Speaker 1: you moved here, but that was another like older mall,
Speaker 1: and and a lot of places were closed, and it
Speaker 1: was it had a feel of like, you know, think
Speaker 1: about the mall from Stranger Things, Well, what happens to
Speaker 1: that thirty.
Speaker 2: Years later, twenty years later? What does that look like?
Speaker 2: It's creepy.
Speaker 1: It's like a time capsule and and it's it's just
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, like just it.
Speaker 2: It's this liminal space thing. I think it's something I
Speaker 2: never heard about before back rooms, right, and now you
Speaker 2: fall into that more and more, and it's just like,
Speaker 2: oh man, this is it. This is creepy, and I
Speaker 2: think you know what it is to a lot of
Speaker 2: horror movies will show you the monster, right, They'll show
Speaker 2: you what the antagonist is. They'll show you what they're
Speaker 2: fighting or whatever. Sometimes I think when you don't see that,
Speaker 2: your imagination is a.
Speaker 1: Much more As an adult, I agree, yeah, into that.
Speaker 2: You create something in your in your mind that's and
Speaker 2: then how often does that happen where you actually see
Speaker 2: the monster at the end you're like, oh, yeah, but
Speaker 2: what like what could happen? What could be there? Not knowing?
Speaker 2: I think that's what right there.
Speaker 1: There are the few moments, like I always say, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's the scariest thing in ma
Speaker 1: I think I can imagine scary things like the xenomorph
Speaker 1: in the movie Aliens is a terrifying creature to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, brilliant. Yeah, there's a handful of times, but no,
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I think the imagination
Speaker 1: absolutely running wild, especially at this stage of my life,
Speaker 1: hits way harder than anything that a director could show
Speaker 1: me in terms of trying to scare me. It's like
Speaker 1: my mind, but you do get me.
Speaker 2: But you know what's funny about that bench is let's
Speaker 2: say somebody gave you ten million dollars and they said,
Speaker 2: you create a horror movie, right, you would create a
Speaker 2: horror movie based on what's in your mind, and then
Speaker 2: you'd watch it and you and you'd be like, you know,
Speaker 2: you'd make the whole thing. You get done with post
Speaker 2: and that's all finished and go and you watch it
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, Nope, yeah, I don't like this.
Speaker 2: And I think it's because like we want it. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just a matter of like you kind
Speaker 2: of know what's in your mind, you know how it's
Speaker 2: gonna play out, and even when you put the monster
Speaker 2: on paper or on film. When you put the monster
Speaker 2: on film, I do think that it lessens the impact
Speaker 2: of watching it. I know of you know, wondering what
Speaker 2: it could be, and then when you actually see it,
Speaker 2: you're kind of like.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I will say though, there is a twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three remake of the two thousand and three movie
Speaker 1: Wrong Turn, Yeah, which you know that came out during
Speaker 1: the Jessica bal remake of Texas Chains on my screen.
Speaker 1: I may have talked about this if I talked about this,
Speaker 1: or I may have.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know you mentioned the Wrong Turn, No bring
Speaker 2: it up, because I don't remember what you said about it.
Speaker 1: So there's a scene it's like a community of people.
Speaker 1: They drop the because, to be real, the whole backwards
Speaker 1: Appalacha thing is very disrespectful to the people of Appalachia,
Speaker 1: so they drop that whole element of it. And it's
Speaker 1: just like a community of people that look normal that
Speaker 1: are just really fucked up, and they either will graphically
Speaker 1: kill you or they condemn you to the darkness. And
Speaker 1: when you are condemned to the darkness, they take your
Speaker 1: eyes out and they take your tongue out, and then
Speaker 1: they throw you in the super dark cave condemned one
Speaker 1: character to the darkness, and all you see is the
Speaker 1: viewer is a cave entrance. That is that the director
Speaker 1: lit it in a way where it quite literally looks
Speaker 1: like you're just like walking out into outer space, like
Speaker 1: it's so black that I was like, and then they
Speaker 1: don't go in, and I was like, I remember sitting
Speaker 1: there and watching it with my brother. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I kind of wish they would have showed us what's
Speaker 1: in there, but I'm kind of glad they didn't because
Speaker 1: I'm actively terrified by what that would look like. Then
Speaker 1: twenty minutes go by and turns out they are going
Speaker 1: to go into the darkness to rescue their friend, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna see what's in there. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: one of the creepiest images that you could ever put
Speaker 1: on films. It lived up to it wholeheartedly. And this
Speaker 1: is not an endorsement of the movie because overall, even
Speaker 1: though it was not good, but this scene was really
Speaker 1: This scene is so anytime we'll be like remember that
Speaker 1: scene in Wrong Turn twenty twenty three, like we will
Speaker 1: still talk about remember the Darkness, because like that hits
Speaker 1: so hard because like I let my imagination run wide.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Ben, picture yourself in there, no eyes, no
Speaker 1: ability to talk, and you're trying to feel your way
Speaker 1: through this dark cave with other random people that have
Speaker 1: been punished in there before, and you're like, what would
Speaker 1: that be like? And like I had my own perception,
Speaker 1: And then you get there and like the first thing
Speaker 1: you see is like an old guy sniff in the
Speaker 1: wall because the only thing he can do is use
Speaker 1: his sun. And I was like, all right, I'm already
Speaker 1: more creeped out than I was in my mind and
Speaker 1: we have just got in here, like it's where it
Speaker 1: goes from there, And I was just like, okay, well
Speaker 1: that was a pretty well done moments like it can happen,
Speaker 1: is my point. But it's very few and far between.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should say there's exceptions.
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, but and again it might be in movies
Speaker 1: where you're like, well that was super forgettable other than
Speaker 1: that moment, but that moment absolutely will stick with me
Speaker 1: until I die. And that was kind of.
Speaker 2: Can't see, you can't taste, you can touch and smell.
Speaker 2: What's the other sense here? Oh and here ye here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it? Oh my god. And when their friend
Speaker 1: hears their voice.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, all right, I gotta watch this. All right,
Speaker 2: so what are we at on time?
Speaker 1: But let me bring it back up.
Speaker 2: I have to, I have to bring this up. We
Speaker 2: have to talk about the ending, because I thought the
Speaker 2: ending to me seemed kind of like I knew what
Speaker 2: was going on. But then I read some stuff on
Speaker 2: the internet that was like, they're talking about it's kind
Speaker 2: of a nebulous ending and it's kind of an open ending.
Speaker 2: Did you view it that same way too? What did
Speaker 2: you think you were looking at in that final scene?
Speaker 1: Well, I've got a I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: say this. If you think it's spoiling to answer this question,
Speaker 1: don't answer it. Do you think she's out.
Speaker 2: The way that the way that that conversation that she
Speaker 2: had in the final scene makes me think that that is.
Speaker 1: That's my question, because.
Speaker 2: There's okay, so I believe she is out of the
Speaker 2: back rooms. Okay, I don't believe she is free of
Speaker 2: the backer, free of what happened to her in the
Speaker 2: back rooms. And I don't think she's free of like
Speaker 2: I think she is staying where she is for a
Speaker 2: little bit, for a little while. Mark Duplace says his
Speaker 2: character says something to the effect of like, whatever or
Speaker 2: whoever is making the decision about her future, it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like it resolves itself in that movie. I agree
Speaker 2: now that the final shot, it's gonna be difficult. What
Speaker 2: are we looking at? Are we looking at? Is that
Speaker 2: the back rooms?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That is for sure.
Speaker 1: I think all we're looking at it's just like the
Speaker 1: broken purple chain shoes. I think that's her. What's what's
Speaker 1: the guy from the league's name? He keeps saying duplas, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the league I forgot. Yeah, I think that last scene
Speaker 1: is the copy of the cort.
Speaker 2: That's what I think too. That's what I think too.
Speaker 2: And then and then and then the stuff I've read,
Speaker 2: some of the stuff I've read, is that that's not
Speaker 2: a copy.
Speaker 1: I think they misinterpreted the movie. I might be wrong,
Speaker 1: Like there's absolutely a chance I missed something because that
Speaker 1: that That's how I've kind of been positioning myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the podcast, I mean, I mean I never I
Speaker 2: never considered it until I read that, and then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: and there's obviously a big flaw with that. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: I don't want to ruin this. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: Off here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, but that's.
Speaker 2: Another thing that kind of like obviously sets it up
Speaker 2: for and and this is the other thing I'll bring up.
Speaker 2: And I had it on my phone. I wanted to
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure I got to this. So
Speaker 2: in reading about this film, oh, by the way, two
Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen million words world wide, it's a twenty
Speaker 2: four's highest grossing film to date, and Kane Parsons is
Speaker 2: now the youngest filmmaker to reach number one at the
Speaker 2: US box office. Wow. And it's the second highest grossing
Speaker 2: horror film twenty twenty six. I wonder what the top
Speaker 2: one was, Oh, Obsession, Dude, Obsession is number one, back
Speaker 2: Rooms is two, and dude, this is hilario. We Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is the top ten grossing horror movies of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six so far. Obsession, back Rooms one, and two.
Speaker 2: Three is Scream seven, which, yeah, exactly, number four. I
Speaker 2: don't really think this is a horror movie. Scary Movie
Speaker 2: is number four, which we're going to talk about in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, right, Send Help is five, sure,
Speaker 2: and then Lee Cronin is The Mummy, which I.
Speaker 1: Haven't seen the interest in that, honestly, Bone Temple.
Speaker 2: Is number seven. Cool. Number eight is Iron Lung, which
Speaker 2: I've never heard.
Speaker 1: Of another YouTuber.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah right, Number nine return to Silent Hill.
Speaker 2: Have you seen this? Okay? And I assume that's the
Speaker 2: Silent Hill sequel or whatever. And then obviously Ready or
Speaker 2: Not To is number ten. Okay, So that's that's the
Speaker 2: top ten, which we've we've talked about. We've done a
Speaker 2: lot of these for the podcast. Okay, I know it's cool.
Speaker 1: Before you move on, I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 1: any of the controversy so well, not of what quote
Speaker 1: fingers controversy the makeup artist in Obsession.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you told me about this?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they just came out yesterday, probably because of
Speaker 1: how many people cause the ruckets. She made seven thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for essentially twenty days.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you didn't tell me about this? O keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, let me start. She complained, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, publicly, she was like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I agreed to work on Obsession and they paid me
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars to do makeup and again it was
Speaker 1: for like twenty one days. So like I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: crying a pity party for her, but she's like, and
Speaker 1: then we made eight hundred million dollars and I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe that this should be disseminated. And they just
Speaker 1: came out earlier today or maybe late yesterday, the creative
Speaker 1: company behind Obsession, and they said, we're gonna package fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars if we're gonna spread it out amongst all
Speaker 1: of the people that helped make this movie, because Iron
Speaker 1: Lung was completely funded by a YouTuber and when Iron
Speaker 1: Lung ended up way exceeding all expectations since he didn't
Speaker 1: have to answer to a production company, he just paid
Speaker 1: everybody like more because he didn't expect to make that
Speaker 1: much money. And when that story went viral, because I've
Speaker 1: never seen Iron Lung, but after I heard that, I
Speaker 1: almost want to go support it, just to support those
Speaker 1: kind of actions.
Speaker 2: What's what's it about? Do you know? No idea?
Speaker 1: He's he's like a video game streamer, like the person
Speaker 1: to direct ith. He records himself playing video games. And
Speaker 1: apparently Iron Lung is like a character he created for
Speaker 1: one of the He plays a lot of horror games
Speaker 1: and so it's a character he created and they wrote
Speaker 1: directed film and like the actors are just his friends.
Speaker 1: But like he did, he went to like NYU or something.
Speaker 1: He has some chops at making a movie. But it's
Speaker 1: by no mean you're not gonna mistake it for Spielberger.
Speaker 1: But but he has some chops. And apparently this just exploded.
Speaker 1: And I only found out about it because I told
Speaker 1: you there was a thing that was like six horror
Speaker 1: movies made by YouTuber YouTubers, then one that failed, Like
Speaker 1: I was like, someone do a well. One of the
Speaker 1: six that succeeded was Iron Long. I'm like, I haven't
Speaker 1: even heard of this movie, and.
Speaker 2: So what what? So was obsession back rooms? Iron Lung
Speaker 2: the one that nobody knows about? And then do we
Speaker 2: know the other two?
Speaker 1: I'd have to find it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Spielberg, Aaron Sorkin is where I went with
Speaker 2: this because I just saw this trailer three hours ago.
Speaker 2: Do you know there's a companion movie coming out in October?
Speaker 2: To the social network? You knew about this? I found
Speaker 2: out about it today Today's You're today, Your's today years old?
Speaker 2: When I found about this? Have you seen the trailer
Speaker 2: for it? Oh? Looks good man?
Speaker 1: Does it?
Speaker 2: So it's about the Facebook whistleblower who I can't remember
Speaker 2: her name, sure, but she came out with all these
Speaker 2: documents she released and all this nefarious, semi nefarious stuff
Speaker 2: that Facebook was involved in, seemingly always choosing profits over
Speaker 2: what's what's. So you have Mikey Madison who won the
Speaker 2: Best Actress two years ago for playing that hooker or whatever.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of it. Oh god, it,
Speaker 2: this is gonna drive me. It's a It's a one
Speaker 2: word movie which was nominated for Best Picture. It didn't
Speaker 2: win Best Picture, but she won for Best Actress for it,
Speaker 2: and I can't anora that's what it was. So she
Speaker 2: was Anura. Now we also know Mikey Madison from the
Speaker 2: Scream franchise and she was in uh, What's on Time
Speaker 2: in Hollywood? So she plays the whistleblower. Jeremy Allen White
Speaker 2: from The Bear is the journalist that is sort of
Speaker 2: like investigating this story, and it a brilliant, I think,
Speaker 2: brilliant casting. You have famous method actor Jeremy Strong playing
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg, and I'm telling you, man, it is like
Speaker 2: looking at the real Mark zucker It's just he's totally awkward,
Speaker 2: the way you could tell he's on the spectrum a
Speaker 2: little bit. I and Bill Burr is in this too,
Speaker 2: which I mean, it's a really good cast. Sorkin wrote it,
Speaker 2: he's directing. It comes out in October. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well I'm sure we'll have time for that
Speaker 1: one on the list here. You know, I just got
Speaker 1: to say, this is a testament to this movie is
Speaker 1: that's the most off topic we've gone for an hour.
Speaker 1: We almost exclusively stuck the back.
Speaker 2: Rooms for an hour. Yeah we did. We don't do that. Well.
Speaker 2: I liked it quite a bit. So this is the
Speaker 2: other thing I want to say. So last month Caane
Speaker 2: Parson says he's not finished with back rooms? Why would
Speaker 2: he be sure? And then the other thing I found
Speaker 2: there was there's a scene and it's just a little payoff.
Speaker 2: I think it's called The Oldest View is sort of
Speaker 2: like where he got his start. It's a four part
Speaker 2: YouTube series again space finding an finding a mall underground
Speaker 2: or whatever. And there's this this the wheel Giant or
Speaker 2: the Rolling Giant I think it's called is the Big
Speaker 2: bad in this And anyway, so I fell into that
Speaker 2: rabbit while I was reading about that, I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: I gotta watch this too, and uh, there's a little
Speaker 2: payoff with a character in that that's in back Rooms
Speaker 2: kind of but not really. I'll tell you about it after.
Speaker 2: It's not a big deal anyway, he said. There's already
Speaker 2: things in the works right now. He's saying he's going
Speaker 2: to continue the YouTube series back Rooms, okay, and then,
Speaker 2: just a couple of days ago, Deadline Hollywood said that
Speaker 2: Caine Parsons is interviewing potential screenwriting partners to help him
Speaker 2: do the sequel right now. He said that that's not true,
Speaker 2: although it probably is true in Hollywood, and he wants to.
Speaker 2: We said this with Obsession too, with who directed Obsession,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna forget the guy's name, I never remember. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but another YouTuber famous YouTuber are now famous, Curry Barker.
Speaker 2: Curry Barker said that he wanted to do an Obsession
Speaker 2: television series. Yeah. Caane Parsons is exploring back.
Speaker 1: Room television series irons Hot. Yeah, and it's not Curry
Speaker 1: Barker worked. He was in a later episode of Always Sonny.
Speaker 2: I read that who did he play?
Speaker 1: They did one where they like went to like the
Speaker 1: the Chucky cheese equivalent of their youth and he's the
Speaker 1: one who like takes their uh they have to sign
Speaker 1: like waivers about any injuries. And he's sitting there and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I just I don't care if you
Speaker 1: signed it or not, Like, yeah, yeah, I saw that
Speaker 1: pomp interesting and uh it was sent to me. Actually,
Speaker 1: there is a short of him buying something else from
Speaker 1: the girl who sold the Wishing Willow at the beginning
Speaker 1: of Obsession, well before Obsession was ever made, and it's
Speaker 1: him and the actress who sold the Wishing Willow in
Speaker 1: like a ninety se YouTube.
Speaker 2: Well that but that makes sense because he was doing stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, he's creating stuff like comedy stuff usually, but
Speaker 2: with that same those same actor Like just this very cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is very interesting. And I think it's
Speaker 1: as long as they hired the right people. I feel
Speaker 1: like we're at the beginning of a trend.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's I think that's a good way to wrap
Speaker 2: up here, Like are we on the cusp of seeing?
Speaker 2: And we said we I think we teased this a
Speaker 2: little bit with Obsession. Are we on the cusp of seeing?
Speaker 2: And somebody said, maybe it was you Ben who brought
Speaker 2: this up? Where did I read it? Somebody said, something
Speaker 2: about when I think it was either Obsession or back
Speaker 2: Rooms is coming out and they're like, yep, somebody's gonna make.
Speaker 1: Yeah I said that. Yeah, and now they're making an
Speaker 1: Obsession universe.
Speaker 2: Like it's like but they but they made it seem
Speaker 2: like this is going to be a disaster when it
Speaker 2: comes out and nobody's gonna see it. Right, No, that's
Speaker 2: what this guy was saying. Somebody's oh there, Now, somebody's
Speaker 2: gonna make a ninety minute or an hour and forty
Speaker 2: five minute movie about this that nobody's gonna like and
Speaker 2: everybody liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so as long as you do it well at it.
Speaker 2: So I think I think that that's the thing that
Speaker 2: I'm very excited about is seeing this next generation of
Speaker 2: filmmakers kind of grow up and create stuff that you
Speaker 2: and I haven't considered, stuff that we didn't grow up about.
Speaker 2: Stuff we didn't grow up with, things and thoughts and stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, not saying that social anxiety, which is much
Speaker 2: more at least more talked about now. I think it
Speaker 2: was always prevalent, but like utilizing stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 2: in your films and and you know, just a this
Speaker 2: this whole fresh viewpoint of people creating stuff that they've
Speaker 2: never seen before, that that maybe we've never seen before,
Speaker 2: stuff that that gets its try out on YouTube. And
Speaker 2: maybe that's good because only only the the best are surviving.
Speaker 2: This isn't a case where, oh, this big filmmaker who's
Speaker 2: done this is gonna get a bunch of money from
Speaker 2: this production studio to make a movie. And maybe it's good.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not Hollywood. It famously over the last fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty years many have accused it of running out of ideas. Sure,
Speaker 2: and so what do they do. They go back to
Speaker 2: the stuff that's bankable, That the stuff that makes money.
Speaker 2: It's why we have fifty seven Fast and Furious. It's
Speaker 2: why we have Toy Story five coming up, so they
Speaker 2: know what works.
Speaker 1: Chris Nolan said as much yesterday. He's I mean, granted,
Speaker 1: it might just be, you know, head up his own
Speaker 1: ass kind of thing, but he said Odyssey might be
Speaker 1: one of the last movies like it. He said, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a long time before another studio gets
Speaker 1: a green light to do something like this. So like,
Speaker 1: and I think you're thought on.
Speaker 2: He is right, though, I mean with stuff like that,
Speaker 2: I mean, like, unless you are a select I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe twenty directors. It's maybe twenty Yeah, probably less, Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably less. You're not going to get a budget like that.
Speaker 2: So what's great about this for Hollywood is that ever,
Speaker 2: you can see not only this stuff on YouTube first,
Speaker 2: but you can see the reaction from from users and
Speaker 2: what the comments are saying, how many likes it's getting,
Speaker 2: how many views it's getting. There is your focus group
Speaker 2: right there, and it's not even a focus group, it's
Speaker 2: the focus universe. Yeah, this is what people are going
Speaker 2: to do. So I think that's exciting. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: as long as you know.
Speaker 1: I read an article yesterday that said fifty five percent
Speaker 1: of all Internet traffic is bots at this Well.
Speaker 2: That could be, that could be. I don't know. But
Speaker 2: but and and and there's no guarantee that taking a
Speaker 2: series like this and turning it into a feature film,
Speaker 2: there's no guarantee that it's going to do.
Speaker 1: I show you Lights Out will be all right.
Speaker 2: But but but by my point of saying all this is,
Speaker 2: I feel like we are in a much more fertile
Speaker 2: testing ground than we have been in a while. And
Speaker 2: because of the success of Curry Barker, because of the
Speaker 2: success of Kane Parsons. We are going to see more
Speaker 2: opportunities for young filmmakers to and whoever created Iron Lung,
Speaker 2: we're going to see more an opportunity to see fresh stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and which backrooms is fresh. But there's this weirdly nostalgic uncomfortability. Yeah,
Speaker 2: discomfort I should say that comes with it. That just
Speaker 2: makes it so enjoyable. You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of ironic that in the longest stretch of
Speaker 1: no Marvel movies, that's when you see all the creativity perkle.
Speaker 1: It's true, probably a lesson that might be learned there
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that like when the superhero stuff stopped,
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, fagin, let's try this backrooms thing and
Speaker 1: see what happens. Give it a million bucks. If it fails, whatever,
Speaker 1: will bounce back for a twenty four. We'll be fine.
Speaker 1: And that's when you take these chances. It's exciting. It's
Speaker 1: exciting for sure. You go first nine and a half, Okay, cool, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't give it a perfect ten because there's no
Speaker 1: I always feel like, no matter what I've seen, there
Speaker 1: could always be something better. Yeah, I mentioned all the
Speaker 1: stuff about this.
Speaker 2: I would this is not a scary movie. No, it
Speaker 2: is a creepy movie. It is an uncomfort movie. It
Speaker 2: is an original movie, which I really love the way
Speaker 2: it was lit, the questions it had me asking before, during,
Speaker 2: and after. I love movies that play with my head
Speaker 2: like that. I love knowing that I could probably see
Speaker 2: this a bunch of times and still find stuff that
Speaker 2: I didn't realize. I love the idea of this leaving
Speaker 2: itself open to potential future films, you know, in this
Speaker 2: this whole weird universe. I just feel like there are
Speaker 2: very few movies that affected me the way that this
Speaker 2: one did. I've been scared before, I've been creeped out before,
Speaker 2: I've laughed before, I've been you know, emotionally involved into
Speaker 2: a drama before. As far as the creepy scale, which
Speaker 2: is obviously the scale i'd measured this one on, it
Speaker 2: was at the top. I just it was God, it
Speaker 2: was just so so cathartic and enjoyable. Nine and a half.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love that, and I mean I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: still as well. I'm going seven status. I think seven
Speaker 1: is completely reasonable. I thoroughly enjoyed it as well. But
Speaker 1: as we started this podcast off, I told you about
Speaker 1: it last week as well. I did. There was just
Speaker 1: something and like I said, that's the Cretan in me,
Speaker 1: and it was it was maybe it was that that somber,
Speaker 1: cathartic nature. But when I've seen a movie like Cube
Speaker 1: that deals in liminal spaces and has that kind of
Speaker 1: conversation but from an entirely different perspective with a group
Speaker 1: of strangers, and I think I said it on the
Speaker 1: podcast before, but I'm a sucker for any movie descriptions
Speaker 1: with six strangers are stuck in a blank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is insert here.
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, well and see what's
Speaker 1: going on here?
Speaker 2: I mean, I grant I haven't seen Cube yet, but
Speaker 2: to me, my understanding is the pacing of that movie
Speaker 2: is much more frenetic than than Packrock.
Speaker 1: Cube is essentially picture back rooms, but in every room
Speaker 1: that Clark discovered, there's a new saw trap and.
Speaker 2: Yeah that they have to figure out how.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I was like, oh, this is and
Speaker 1: you don't know why you're there, and you don't know
Speaker 1: is it an alien? Is a government?
Speaker 2: Is why? Why is any.
Speaker 1: Are you even there exactly? And and how do we
Speaker 1: get out of here? And just where it goes from
Speaker 1: there and so like, to me, that is the quintessential
Speaker 1: version of this. But I have a feeling that like
Speaker 1: true movie people be like, oh, Backroom's excelled in all ways.
Speaker 1: Maybe I have no idea, but like that's more my speed.
Speaker 1: Not to say that this wasn't good. And there is
Speaker 1: a creepiness to it similar to the movie Creep. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a slow burn creep, but
Speaker 1: it absolutely is that. I gotta check out Creep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you would enjoy it, at least the first one.
Speaker 1: The second one is basically saying.
Speaker 2: Are there only two? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, they they wrap it up. Yeah, but at
Speaker 1: any event, that's gonna do it for that one. Balky's
Speaker 1: out next week. Yeah, we're doing he Man next week.
Speaker 1: Still though, Laura Lee from W A p l Is
Speaker 1: going to be checking that one out with you. You see
Speaker 1: a lot of these movies with Laura No, okay, no,
Speaker 1: I know you have a few in the past. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we she does a single thing now on Tuesdays,
Speaker 1: which kind of some extra stuff that kind of eats
Speaker 1: into it. But she was all about the back are
Speaker 1: you going to see it? I'm like, yeah, you want
Speaker 1: you want to tag along?
Speaker 2: So but so he Man next week on off topic
Speaker 2: with me and and Laura. I feel like probably grew
Speaker 2: up in the era.
Speaker 1: She rah, yeah, and I've been saying, I've said it
Speaker 1: on the she said, Uh, you know, I didn't even
Speaker 1: need to know that that Jared Leto was cast as
Speaker 1: Skeletor I can tell by his mannerisms.
Speaker 2: That's funny. It's so wild because I had all the
Speaker 2: action figures when I was like, I think the first
Speaker 2: action figure, Well, no, I had probably a Gobots. I
Speaker 2: think we're first. But then I had a bunch of
Speaker 2: he Man. I mean there's audio cassettes and video cassettes
Speaker 2: of my dad interviewing me and my brothers back in
Speaker 2: the day asking us what we wanted for Christmas and
Speaker 2: our birthday. We want the Castle of Gray Skull, he Man,
Speaker 2: and we're doing the and I'm like, but all that's
Speaker 2: I mean, that was like forty years ago now for me.
Speaker 2: So I would have to brush up on it at
Speaker 2: this point, and I probably still will see he Man
Speaker 2: for the nostalgic aspect. But there's so much of that
Speaker 2: universe that I forgot.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, and I I said, I'm getting big time.
Speaker 1: The reviews are mixed, it's bombing in the box office,
Speaker 1: but I'm getting big time G I Joe, first G
Speaker 1: I Joe movie off of it, so I'm hopeful for that.
Speaker 1: When Balke comes back, we'll be doing scary movie.
Speaker 2: Gary movie, which by the way, uh Stirfry was super
Speaker 2: pumped for that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't live up to it for him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring that up with you off the air.
Speaker 1: It seems like it whipped. But I mean like we'll
Speaker 1: see it anyway, like fourth highest grossing horror movie of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six apparently, so we'll get you guys then.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.