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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: You can start smelling the decomposition. Then it's a smell.

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Anybody's ever smelled it. It's a smell that will never

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exit their brain.

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Speaker 1: I think some of you are a little confused. You see,

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SNS isn't a tree crime podcast. It's a bus. Yeah,

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a bus. You can't change its trajectory. You can't change

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its makeup, can't make it blue instead of yellow. And uh,

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you can't change the driver I'm driving. I mean you

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can get off the bus. You can get on the bus.

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That's about the extent of your power here, Karen. Basically,

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you're not in charge here, So sit the fuck down

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and shut the fuck up. Try to listen for once

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in your miserable life. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. This

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is episode three oh eight. And uh, if you don't

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know what podcast you're listening to, I think that's your problem.

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The Tyndalls are an ordinary middle class family living in Arlington, Indiana,

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which is part of Rush County. Rush County is about

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forty miles southeast of the state capital of Indianapolis. It's

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a rural area and the town of Arlington is a tiny,

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unincorporated community, meaning it's not really a town and it's

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not really a village. Doesn't really know what it is.

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It's just kind of a place that you might want

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to raise kids. Though it gives the vibe that nothing

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much has ever changed. The nearest big city is miles away,

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and as peaceful as this area is, it's also somewhat isolated.

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Speaker 3: My name is Riandy Meek. I'm a detective with the

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Rush County Sheriff's Department and I've been in law enforcement

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for nearly nineteen years, and fourteen of those have been

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in some form of investigations, whether narcotics investigations or general investigations.

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Rush County itself is a small farming community, so we

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have a population roughly seventeen thousand people, and it is

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one of those communities that everybody knows everybody and we're

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we're you know, we're a proud community. We have a

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low crime rate. We still escort a lot of the

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basketball teams, football team, and things like that. We have

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one high school in our community, and our number one

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business here is agriculture, so we have a lot of

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farmers and we have far more farmland than we have, Poppa,

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And like I said, it's a proud community that everybody

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knows everybody. When something happens, everybody's willing to help out

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and assist.

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Speaker 1: For seventeen year old Valerie Tyndall, this quiet life was

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all she ever knew. She lived in a modest home

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with her parents and her siblings. Valerie always showed a

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sense of responsibility. She looked out for her family, often

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working odd jobs during the summer months, mowing lawns, babysitting,

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and running errands for neighbors just to earn a little

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extra money. Because she liked contributing and being independent. She

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was practical and hard working, traits that her mother admired

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and treits that we all should admire to be quite honest,

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twenty twenty three was a pivotal year for her. In

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the past, she was an underachiever and didn't take school seriously,

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but once she decided she wanted to be a veterinarian

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at the end of her junior year, it was full

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steam ahead, straight a's and b's. Valerie was about to

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start her senior year in high school and the future

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was heavy on her mind. She dreamed of leaving Rush County,

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going to college, and making something of herself. The thought

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of staying in this quiet, unchanging place felt suffocating at times,

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and she knew she wanted more, but she hadn't quite

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figured out how to get it yet. On the morning

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of June seventh, things were normal as ever. Valerie had

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breakfast with her mom, talking briefly about her plans for

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the day, and mentioned heading out to work later. There

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was no reason to think that this day would be

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any different from any other. Valerie grabbed her keys, climbed

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into her green Honda Cord, and drove off. Hours passed

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and evening crept in. She noa waited for her daughter

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to return, as she always did, expecting to hear the

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familiar sound of her Honda pulling up into the driveway.

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But that sound never came. That's how easy it is.

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That's how quick it happens your life suddenly turned upside down.

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Valerie had not come home. At first, it seemed like

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a minor inconvenience. Maybe she was just running late, caught

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up in some errands, or spending time with friends. But

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as night wore on and calls to her phone went unanswered,

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Gina's worry grew. By morning, both of Valerie's parents were

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in a state of panic. I unfortunately was at work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was here.

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Speaker 4: I was working in the bathroom and then I come

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down for a break and she was in her room

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and going down a tray to wash the clothes and

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come back. And she then said she was going to

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go to work for a couple of hours and she'd

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be back. She smiled at me right now when she

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said it.

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Speaker 3: If you don't anything about anybody she can be talking to,

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where'd she go with, what she might be in?

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Speaker 4: Anything to let.

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Speaker 2: Things know so they can investigate it.

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Speaker 4: Don't wait, don't hesitate. If you think of something, come forward.

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Speaker 1: Valerie's mom added a personal message for her daughter, saying.

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Speaker 5: If you ran away, please please come home. There is

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nothing we can't work on and fix as a family.

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We all miss you so much, from your mom and

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dad to your bullies. I have had people all over

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Messenger ask if we found you and tell us they

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will pray. That is all I can ask of everyone

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else to please just pray. Pray for her safer turn,

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Pray that she realizes how much God, family and friends

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love her. Her best friend is so torn up. She

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misses her so much. We all just miss her so much.

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Life just isn't the same. Our home is broken.

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Speaker 1: On June tenth, the silver alert was issued for Valerie.

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Speaker 6: Rush County Sheriff's Department is asking for your help finding

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a missing seventeen year old. This is Valerie Tindall. She

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is missing from Arlington, Indiana. She was last seen around

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noon on Wednesday. The Sheriff's Department says she is believed

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to be in extreme danger. She is five feet six

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inches tall, weighs about one hundred and sixty pounds, with

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brown hair and hazel eyes. Valerie was last seen driving

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a green two thousand Honda Accord with an Indiana license plate.

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It's on your screen zyk eight thirty three. Anyone with

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information is asked to call the Sheriff's Department at the

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number on your screen or just called nine one one.

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Speaker 1: In a press release, they asked for property owners between

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Shelbyville and Arlington with deep creek beds, low level fields, ravines,

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and properties off a roadway to help find her vehicle.

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They added that the car could be hidden in barns,

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other outbuildings, or along lesser traveled roads. She was last

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seen wearing a light blue shirt, jean shorts, sandals, and glasses.

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Speaker 3: On June eighth, the SHARE's department received a call. Deputies

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took a report that morning of Valerie being a reported

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runaway or missing person. The road guys took the initial

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report and she was entered as a runaway missing person

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into the computer system at that time.

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Speaker 1: Since you're a true crime fan, you know about a

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lot of these cases where the victim was reported as

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a missing person or as a runaway, but turned out

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it was something worse, like a kidnapping or a murder.

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But in reality, most missing people get that status because

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of their own actions or maybe their families. In twenty

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twenty three, eighty to eighty five percent of missing children

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ran away or were pushed out of the house by parents.

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Of the remaining cases, abduction by an acquaintance counted for

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three to four percent, and abductions by strangers totaled less

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than one percent of cases. It's really rare to just

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get kidnapped out of the blue by a stranger, no

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matter what lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Is telling you.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's that one percent, though, of cases where acting

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fast is most crucial.

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Speaker 3: So we received the case. It got into the detective's

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office on in June eleventh or June twelfth, and the

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one of the things we had talked about was we

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have seen investigations done in past, and not any specific agency,

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but just done in the past that they wished they

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would have done things from the get go that they

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needed later because circumstances were different than what they maybe

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initially thought. And Sean and I had the conversation that

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we were not that was not going to happen. We

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were we were from the get go going to do

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everything we possibly could have and if we don't need

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it later, we don't need it, but we're going to

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do everything we can to get all the facts at

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the beginning, which later created that environment of a whole

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bunch of analysis that had to be done that that

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took a long time.

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Speaker 1: In other words, Detective Randy and his partner Sean didn't

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just file a missing person's report and wait.

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Speaker 3: No matter what on this case here, we from the

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get go took it seriously and then the necessary steps

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in those initial days to give us later evidence that

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built the foundation for this case. And it was important

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that we did it in those initial days because that evidence.

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we didn't have any witnesses, which is is kind of

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unique in this situation, is you don't we didn't. We

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didn't have any witnesses in this case. So we ultimately

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had to depend so heavily on data from social media,

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cell phones and stuff like that to pieces case together,

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to lead us in the direction that we needed her

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that it led us in. So the initial days of

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it being reported, how it was reported didn't change what

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we did. We took it from the beginning days we

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were whether she ran away or was abducted, we did

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the things exactly the same either way.

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Speaker 1: The last thing Valerie told her parents before she walked

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out the door was that she was going to work.

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Valerie worked as a landscape laborer for a company owned

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by a guy named Patrick Scott. Patrick and Valerie were

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friendly and they sometimes hung out together. In addition to

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hiring her, he typically hired one or two other seasonal

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workers for the summer. His business was successful, and he

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usually paid his workers at the end of every day

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anywhere between one hundred to two hundred dollars, But Valerie

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never showed up to work that Wednesday, after she went missing,

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detectives focused on gathering any clues to her last known movements.

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They talked to family and friends, and went through her

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social media, bank records and phone activity to trace her steps.

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Within just a few days, they issued search warrants for

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her phone and Snapchat account, hoping to find a lead

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without Valerie or her car. Hope was fading, that is

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until Valerie's grandfather was questioned and remembered a sighting that

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shed new light. He reported seeing a young woman who

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looked a lot like Valerie driving a black Nissan eastbound

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on US Highway fifty two towards Rushville, just a few

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days after she disappeared. An hour later, the same car

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passed by again, but this time with a Hispanic mail

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behind the wheel and the girl as a passenger. This

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report begged the question was Valerie still out there and

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had she run away to be with an new boyfriend,

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or had she been kidnapped and maybe even pulled into

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one of those human traffic rings we keep hearing about

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on Lifetime. I got a step picking on Lifetime they

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do have some marvelous Christmas specials. It was the start

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of summer in twenty twenty three, and Valerie Tyndall of Arlington, Indiana,

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had the rest of her life ahead of her, or

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so she thought. Seventeen year old Valerie was a hard

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worker and had been earning good grades towards her goal

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of becoming a veterinarian. She worked for a landscaping company

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and was saving money for car and other things. Young

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people save up money to buy on their own, whatever

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the hell it is they buy, I don't know anyway.

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Valerie was a responsible girl and always told her parents

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where she was, but when she announced she was going

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to work on Wednesday, June seventh, her parents were curious

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since she didn't usually work on a Wednesday. The police

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scoured her phone records in social media, and after a

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few days, also had an idea of where her vehicle

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was last seen, but they still hadn't located it or Valerie.

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After a few more days passed, her grandfather remembered seeing

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a girl who looked like Valerie in a black Nissan

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driving up the highway past his house. When it came

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back the other way, he thought he saw a young

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Hispanic mail in the driver's seat. At the same time,

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investigators were following all leads, including information from her cell phone.

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Initial placed her phone in Shelbyville, Indiana, around noon on

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June seventh, before her phone eventually went dead. After talking

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with her parents more, they discovered she had an old

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boyfriend in that area. They checked out the location, all

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the woods in that area, and footage from nearby cameras.

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They called on their Shelbyville police to help locate her car,

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but it wasn't found. All the leads so far were

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accounting to a dead end. Just like the information about

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the black Nissan and Hispanic mail, nothing really panned out.

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The case was getting cold. That's when they decided to

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retrace their footsteps and go to the last place that

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Valerie was supposed to be at her job. Here's her employer,

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Patrick Scott Hight, who's.

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Speaker 7: Been missing sis June seventh, which was a Wednesday of

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this right graphic.

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Speaker 3: Now you know.

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Speaker 4: Valerie because a couple of different ways here. Once she's your.

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Speaker 2: Neighbor, right right, she lives.

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Speaker 7: There kind of like in front of you, yeah, okay,

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And she also works for you right in the summer,

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help mowgrass and things like that, and right now part

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time okay.

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Speaker 4: And when she does that grass, when she does mowgrass,

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for you and works with you?

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Speaker 5: Is she usually with you?

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Speaker 4: Did you drive her from job to job?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: So you guys rollway together.

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Speaker 7: Yes, okay, So there's never a time where you have

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her meets you at a job.

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Speaker 4: You just once, just once, just once?

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Speaker 7: How long goes at before June before?

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Speaker 5: She wrote?

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Speaker 4: Right away?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, before she left? Yeah? Right after short dash cool

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let out all right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Wednesday, Wednesday afterne there? Where did you meet up

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with her at South High Gardens? South High Gardens and

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show though?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay?

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Speaker 8: And what were you driving at that point?

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Speaker 9: My truck car both the truck in the car both

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had hands out hot right, So the what did you drive.

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Speaker 4: There that day with your trailer?

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Speaker 5: Two?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Okay? How did the car get there?

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Speaker 2: I looked at like day before or two days before?

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Speaker 4: Why did you do that?

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Speaker 2: Because she was about to take.

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Speaker 4: Off, So you're gonna give her a car to use?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I was just gonna give her a ride.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So she so she calls you on Tuesday, on Tuesday, No,

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she's telling me to come the day before she was

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gonna leave.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so she I didn't think she'd go through with it,

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but she did.

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Speaker 1: Valerie reportedly didn't get along with her father. He didn't

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like some of her past boyfriends, allegedly, and recently she'd

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been meeting up with boys without telling her dad again allegedly.

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But there was someone she regularly confided in. That's how

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we know all this information. That person was her employer,

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Patrick Scott. It was like her real father, or maybe

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a surrogate father, according to him.

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Speaker 4: So she planned this.

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Speaker 2: With you, Well, she planned that. I just you went along.

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You just went along.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. So her plan or the plan was, was

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for you who had to have the tourists there prior

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to Wednesday?

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Speaker 9: Well, she wanted to ride back, but I didn't want.

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Speaker 2: To drive that truck. I drove the car on what day? Wednesday?

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Speaker 4: Okay? But you took the car there the night before, right, Yes?

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And you did that because you knew that she was

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going to need a ride. Yeah, because she had already

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told you that she wanted to meet because you on

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Wednesday at those.

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Speaker 7: Apartments, correct, Right, So you already knew prior to Wednesday that.

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Speaker 4: You were going to go to those apartments and showed

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the god Hi Hi, what was it South hide Guards?

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Speaker 8: South Hide Guards to meet her, right, right, you knew

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that prior to Wednesday right here day?

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Speaker 4: Did she know that too?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you're ready there moment? Were you there moment

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when she showed up home Wednesday? Yes? Okay. So you're

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at South Eye Gardens mowing grass. Yes, and she shows

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up in her car or bring on the cord right?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 2: You met up with her right right?

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Speaker 4: And what she got in? Four tourists with you right?

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And you guys left South Bye Gardens right left her

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car there, yes, along with your truck and trailer. Yes, okay.

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From there you came back to Rush County? Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 4: And on your window Rush County? Was she on her phone?

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Speaker 2: Using her phone? She texts a lot. She don't talk

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on in Russia, but she was using in the phone.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she's she.

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Speaker 2: Danks all the time.

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Speaker 4: She really suns it. Yes, okay. And did you know

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where you was taking her before that day?

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Speaker 2: I thought we was going back to Rushfield, but we

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stopped at Homers where we went to.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So she had to stop at Homer, yes, okay.

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And what happened at.

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Speaker 2: Homer She got out of the car, got in with

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the other guy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what kind of card she get in.

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Speaker 2: They's just a kind of a pale blue cars all

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I am.

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Speaker 4: That was the last time you seen her?

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Speaker 2: Well then when I dropped her off, Yes, that is.

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Speaker 4: Something you talked to her. That was the last time

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I talked to her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, she got in another car with some dude.

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How many times have we heard that one before? Are

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your alarms going off yet? I remind you that this man,

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Patrick Scott, the owner of the landscaping company and employer

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of Valerie the Missing Girl, wants you to believe that

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he and Valerie were so close that she told him

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about all her boyfriends from the past and present. This

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included a recent breakup that Patrick, for some reason, found suspicious.

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Speaker 2: Give me his name, you give me I probably know

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the one boy I know, you know, I just know

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the name. She got into truck runs more in the

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company Scotland, and she was pissed. I knew she was

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when shot in the track because of the way that

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she was taking I mean, she she would final, Will.

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Speaker 5: You take you?

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Speaker 2: She then said? I asked her, I said, are you mad?

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And she was pitched As the boy dumped her, she

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talked to a man to take her back, just so

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she could dump him. A week later that he showed

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up at their house.

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Speaker 9: I wanted to say Monday before she disappeared and got

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a stub and he was pisched.

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Speaker 4: She told me the next day. And this is a

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kid that tries to tell a.

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Speaker 2: Blue car, right, No, he had an orange car.

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Speaker 4: So this is a different kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's five or six of them all the time.

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I didn't even know what he looks like. I don't

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want none.

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Speaker 4: Look like you just he was an orange car.

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Speaker 2: I'm an orange ee ugly thing.

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Speaker 7: But you talked her off to somebody in a blue car, right, Okay.

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Speaker 9: There was another boy she was talking to on Tuesday

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that was giving her ship because he thought they were

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going to have a relationship.

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Speaker 2: And she said no, but I can't tell you who

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the name is.

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Speaker 4: And then there's the.

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Speaker 2: Boy in Arlington.

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Speaker 4: So she discussed this with you by her wanting to leave.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she's been discussing it for a long time.

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Speaker 7: And then she discussed it prior to Wednesday, within a

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couple of days before Wednesday, about this idea of what

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she wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: I thought she was leading on Saturday nine because she

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said she was leading.

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Speaker 1: On Saturday Meanwhile, about two weeks after her disappearance, Valerie's

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Facebook profile suddenly becomes active. Out of nowhere, is she alive?

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Valerie's mom, Shea, was contacted by an acquaintance of Valeries,

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who had taken it upon herself to start messaging Valerie,

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or at least who she thought was Valerie on Facebook.

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This friend asked Valerie's account if she could come see

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her to make sure she was okay. The account responded,

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I'm okay. The friend retorted with I need to hear

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your voice to know you're okay, or I can come

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check on you. I just need to know where you

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are so I can check on you. The response was no,

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I'm fine. I was just stressing a little and took off.

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I'm okay. The friend then says, send me a voice

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message saying you're fine. The account doesn't, but instead responds, bro,

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I'm fine, please, I just need time to myself, And

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then the account says this, why did you text me

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to see if I was with him? I thought you

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would have been, says the friend. Why would I be

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with him, says the account. We thought anything could have

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happened At this point, you have everyone worried sick. There's

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an Amber alert out for you and everything. The response

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to that was his girlfriend is pregnant. Why would I

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be with him and tell them I'm okay. There's a

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question mark at the end of that sentence. Also, what

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a weird thing to say, right his girlfriend is why

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would I be with them? The police were doing the

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best they could, but leads seemed to be coming from everywhere.

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Speaker 3: We were thrown in all kinds of different directions. First, again,

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number one thing, where was her car? A car is

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easy to find, and we obviously didn't find that for

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I believe going off my memory nineteen days. Also, there

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was some communication on our social media that was unusual

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with one of the people she was talking to had

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made reference to the last conversation said I'm sorry that

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I heard you. So this obviously was somebody that we

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had to vet out and make sure that they didn't

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have a part in it.

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Speaker 4: And so our.

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Speaker 3: First move was there we went and spoke to that person.

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Speaker 1: Another lead involved a friend of Valeries who lived in

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another state. She'd been in contact with this person too,

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and detectives discovered that this person belonged to an organization

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that had an important meeting on the day that Valerie

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went missing. He ever showed up for that meeting, which

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was highly unusual.

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Speaker 3: For him, and talk to Patrick Scott. Patrick Scott said

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she didn't work. He didn't see her on Wednesday. She

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didn't work that day, which matched her schedule. She normally

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didn't work on Wednesdays. So we had a few things

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at the very beginning that did look like there was

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possibility that she had decided to run away. Keep in mind,

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we're getting we're getting tips, We're getting tips from psychics,

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we're getting tips from I mean, we were getting mass

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quantities of tips that led us. I mean, I remember

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we had a tip in Fort Worth, Texas. We had

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a tip at the Chicago Subway that we had to

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follow up on. And we have all these tips coming

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in at the same time that were following up on

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and not counting just the tips in our in our

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our county and surrounding counties that weren't that had some

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validity to him that we could have been, you know,

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that could have been her, the people seeing her or

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possibly knowing she's at a location or whatever, and we

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had to follow up on those. So we were we

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were obviously we were stretched thin and we were going

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all over the place on it.

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Speaker 1: They even received a call from a psychic claiming to

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know where Valerie's car was, but they were wrong. Hippies

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are always wrong. All of these leads led exactly nowhere,

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and the Facebook account was a hoax. All they knew

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at this point was that Valerie may not have had

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an ideal relationship with her father. Then again, who does

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oh you.

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Speaker 5: Do, Susan?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's great, thanks for piping up in the comments.

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I mean, they all knew she was seeing more than

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one boy. She was, after all seventeen. She said she

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was going to work on Wednesday, but didn't work on Wednesdays.

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They knew she disappeared without a trace, that she had

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talked about running away to her employer, who was also

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her friend and surrogate dad, and finally that no one

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could find her car until they did. It's hard to

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hide a two ton machine, you know.

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Speaker 3: So we found her car hidden in an apartment complex,

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and it was not your typical apartment complex. And this

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00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:11,720
was June twenty six, I believe is when we found

480
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,759
in her car. So she went missing on the seventh.

481
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,440
We located her car roughly June twenty sixth, and we

482
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:20,240
found it because we were checking in the area and

483
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,480
we had been doing surveillance on Patrick Scott at that

484
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,160
point and we had seen him drive in that area,

485
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,880
and so we were doing checking that area and we

486
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,079
came across this apartment complex in Shelbyville that was remote

487
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:36,799
hidden in this housing addition. You wouldn't expect there to

488
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,039
be an apartment complex in this area, and it's like

489
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,559
a little alley that leads to it. And when a

490
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,559
couple of our detectives went back there, they discovered Valerie's

491
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,599
car backed in with a whole bunch of cars getting

492
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920
worked on or cars that were broke down. It was

493
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,599
back in there with a license plate off, and were

494
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,559
we were able to determine that that was Valerie's car.

495
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,480
At that time, it was still possible that Valerie had

496
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,839
and away based on the information we were getting, so we

497
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,759
decided to leave the car at the time and not

498
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,599
tow it out of there, and we also kept it.

499
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:13,400
We also did not reveal for roughly two weeks that

500
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,519
we had the car at that point, just as an

501
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,960
investigative strategy to be able to want eliminate tips, and

502
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,799
then if the car moved, we would have known it.

503
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 9: She never really killed lately. She never talked to me

504
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,039
about boys. We talked about everything else in the world.

505
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:28,359
Speaker 2: But boys.

506
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,119
Speaker 7: So you're telling me that you haven't seen her, talk

507
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,119
to her or know anything about hersus JUICEA.

508
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,519
Speaker 4: You just went back on Thursday and food your car, right,

509
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,079
she asked you do right? Why specifically you wanted.

510
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: Me to move it somewhere else so that way it

511
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,839
would be after seeing.

512
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 4: It was sitting right out on white open.

513
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 8: Did she tell you to move it to Burway, Yes,

514
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,240
so she specifically said moved.

515
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:55,279
Speaker 2: To Burber You had see there was a definitely living

516
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,279
out there. So I don't know why she would want.

517
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: And you haven't seen her out and out with your

518
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,759
mown grass or we know you've been over there. She's

519
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:06,319
been missing because it sounds of the grass.

520
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,359
Speaker 2: Is rely rights. I've been over twice and.

521
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 7: You never seen her.

522
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,759
Speaker 1: Before they found her car, they were using cell phone

523
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,200
pings and messages to figure out where she was and

524
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,480
where she was headed. Then they used traffic cameras to

525
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:25,200
look at that car. In other words, they knew her

526
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,359
phone was at a certain location at a certain time

527
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,240
based on the ping, and they were trying to match

528
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,720
that with the car on the surveillance camera at the

529
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,359
exact time to figure out what kind of car it

530
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,799
would be that she might be in, see how that works.

531
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,880
They were surprised at what they found.

532
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: So that's when we went to the next thing of

533
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,799
all right, so we've got her coming through here at

534
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,559
this time, So then we start using surveillance cameras well. Again,

535
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,680
this is a farming community. There's not a ton of

536
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,559
businesses along there, but we were able to find some

537
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,880
business in traffic cameras and utilize them to our advantage.

538
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,519
And we don't see her car coming through at that time,

539
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:07,880
so she goes to show well, she comes back, but

540
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,839
we're not seeing her car on cameras, so that doesn't

541
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,799
make sense. So what we did was we were able

542
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,000
to narrow the time down to that this is the

543
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:19,680
time within you know, a minute, that she should be

544
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,839
crossing this camera, what car is crossing that camera at

545
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,200
that time, because she is more likely in that car.

546
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,400
And what we got was we got a maroon Ford

547
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,079
Taurus at that time. And so we went back to

548
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,359
her last photo that she had sent, which was a

549
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,359
picture that showed an over the shoulder shot, and that

550
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,160
picture showed a street sign in Chobyville, and we could

551
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,400
see a tan interior, and we could see her fingernails,

552
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,000
and we could see the corner of her shirt was

553
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,400
with the color of VIP And using that surveillance camera,

554
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,759
we were able to say, there's definitely it looks like

555
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,240
a female in the pasture's seat. We were able to

556
00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,759
determine that the terior car looks tan and all that. Well,

557
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680
what we found was that Patrick Scott had a gas

558
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,880
saving car so he didn't have to drive his drug

559
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,799
all the time. He had a little Maroon four Tours

560
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,880
that he would operate and so we then that was

561
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,000
when we first came into realization that Patrick Scott had

562
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,640
driven her back that day to Rush County.

563
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: But why were Valerie and her boss aka Superdad even

564
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,920
together on a day that Valerie wasn't supposed to be working. Well,

565
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,599
that's a story within a story. You like stories, right,

566
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,279
Patrick had taken such a fatherly interest in Valerie that

567
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,720
he was using a locator or tracker if you will,

568
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:46,119
on Valerie's phone. That's normal. There are a few different

569
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,359
versions of these Microsoft three sixty five places that allows

570
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,240
users to share their work location and even schedule GPS

571
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,920
three sixty five to locate vehicles, routes, speeds, and operation

572
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,599
time life three sixty, which is mostly for families with

573
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,359
lots of kids you want to keep track of all

574
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,400
your kids. And there's another one called family through sixty.

575
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,960
They're all pretty similar, They all pretty much do the

576
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,119
same thing. In fact, their names are almost identical. With

577
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440
the three sixty three sixty five thing going, you know,

578
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,000
it would seem reasonable. I guess that the two might

579
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,039
share one of these apps since he was working for her,

580
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,319
Maybe he was tracking her for work purpose. I don't

581
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:31,039
really I don't really know. But she didn't seem to

582
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:36,000
mind her real dad though. Did. Patrick had been calling

583
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,240
Valerie's dad and getting kind of pissed at him when

584
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,359
Valerie wasn't where she said she was going to be.

585
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,599
You know, like, what kind of parent are you if

586
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,839
you don't even know where your daughter is? That kind

587
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:50,759
of thing. Why would an employer care about how good

588
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,759
the parents of their employees are? Just a little weird,

589
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,440
you know, it's quite the overstepping of bounds. To add

590
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,880
to this, buses are surrogate family dynamic. Patrick's own wife

591
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,720
was jealous of the attention and money that he was

592
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:10,559
giving to Valerie. Whether she thought it was a sexual

593
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,000
thing or just a fatherly concern over a young neighbor

594
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:19,280
and employee, who knows. But she knew something was up,

595
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:24,199
that's for sure. Women always know. Let's just say she

596
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,719
didn't like it one bit, and she didn't like Valerie either.

597
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,360
But Patrick continued playing this role, and the reason they

598
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,119
were together on that day was that he was going

599
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,639
to go buy her a car. Her employer was going

600
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,199
to go buy her a car. Messages between Valerie and

601
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,199
Patrick sent to each other just days before she went

602
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,719
missing confirm a friendly exchange about looking for one. Here's

603
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Patrick's version of events.

604
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,039
Speaker 2: When her car wrote down, I had told her if

605
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:58,599
he could, if Dad couldn't get it running, I would

606
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,679
help her get another.

607
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 9: Car, but a g car, something that she could make

608
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,199
work and make payments on. You know, I got three

609
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,159
down dollar that wasn't sitting her. She wanted a new car,

610
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:13,400
brand new car.

611
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:14,199
Speaker 5: She wasn't.

612
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: Putting up with those three talent dollar car.

613
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:20,679
Speaker 1: It seemed clear that Patrick was meeting up with the

614
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,000
Valerie on that Wednesday afternoon to look at a specific

615
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,199
car that she may have liked, maybe even to help

616
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,800
her run away, since she'd verbalized that to Patrick and others.

617
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,840
It also seemed like the deal didn't go down that well,

618
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,679
since the vehicle was sold to someone else before she

619
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:39,559
could test drive it.

620
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: You're kind of like a father figure to her. Probably

621
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:44,639
she find those up to you a little bit. Maybe

622
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:48,159
I don't know, Maybe she does. You shine out of her. Okay.

623
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: That's so.

624
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,679
Speaker 4: The best way can help her right now is if

625
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:51,599
you know where's at?

626
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 7: Is a town?

627
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:52,599
Speaker 2: Where's at?

628
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 5: I do not know.

629
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: I swear to about any idea at all.

630
00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: No, I batted you with Tollinoian I really did. I

631
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:02,880
thought you should off that Wood, Illinois.

632
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,679
Speaker 1: By this time, the investigation had been ongoing for weeks.

633
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,920
Aside from the idea that Valerie was planning to run

634
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,559
away or not, detectives had enough data to place Patrick

635
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:20,079
as the last person to see Valerie alive. He claimed

636
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:24,239
he was helping her by employing her, being her confidante,

637
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,320
looking for a used car for her, and by helping

638
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,880
her disappear, but detectives had latched onto the distinct possibility

639
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:36,760
that she really had disappeared forever.

640
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,679
Speaker 4: Patrick, over the last five months, you and I have

641
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,760
got to know each other, correct good, Craig, you see

642
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,719
me a lot right again?

643
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,199
Speaker 1: Okay?

644
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:53,119
Speaker 2: And every time every time we saw is.

645
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 5: We along?

646
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:55,519
Speaker 4: Good?

647
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: Right?

648
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: I reckon.

649
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Although Patrick didn't have a criminal history, it sounds like

650
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,880
he listened to a lot of true crime podcasts because

651
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,519
judging by the tone of his voice, he knew what

652
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,840
was coming. Don't think that just because he's from rural

653
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,559
Indiana that he's some kind of dummy. I know that

654
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:18,280
accent really gets under some people's skin and they love

655
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,239
to lash out, call people stupid and all that political divisiveness,

656
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,599
you know. But this guy was a business owner. He

657
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,960
was able to keep investigators guessing for months, so at

658
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,440
this point he knew the jig was almost tough.

659
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,519
Speaker 7: Now, I normally don't do this, okay, but here's why

660
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,719
I'm going to do this, Because here's why.

661
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,119
Speaker 4: Here's why. You know, I can play it all like

662
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,599
eighty million things right here.

663
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 7: As you come and sit in this room, your mind

664
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,880
plays tricks on you as an officer, all right, and

665
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,480
it tells you to go all these different directions and

666
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,199
trial this different stuff. But the fact of the matter

667
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,440
is is that I think you're overall probably a pretty

668
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,280
good person. Okay, If I didn't, I would have treated

669
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,840
you probably different over the.

670
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: Time, all right.

671
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: So the day as we drove in here just for

672
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,159
forty minutes and we just drove in together, in my head,

673
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,519
I'm like, how am I going to talk to Patrick?

674
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,880
And you know what I decided when I walked to

675
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,280
the door.

676
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 7: And then there's times like you sitting this interview room,

677
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,320
and maybe that didn't happen in the past, all right,

678
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,159
But the fact of the matter is that the natural

679
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,119
human thing is when you do something wrong, is you

680
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:22,679
want to tell.

681
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:23,559
Speaker 4: Us that you did something wrong.

682
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,559
Speaker 3: Okay. The other thing is is that.

683
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: There's family involved, there's mistakes that's been made.

684
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:30,559
Speaker 3: Okay.

685
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: I would like to talk to you today, and I

686
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,880
would like you to tell me what happened to Valerie.

687
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,320
That's the end result of what I want to know, okay.

688
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,840
But here's what's weird about today.

689
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you about everything I know, okay, because

690
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,039
here's the deal. In the end, I believe you've done

691
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,599
something to Valerie. I believe you've done something to Valerie, and.

692
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: We're going to prove it, all right.

693
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,079
Speaker 7: But what I want to know is the why, And

694
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:01,960
what you want to tell me is I'm sitting here

695
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,400
watching you tear up right now, you want to tell

696
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:05,960
me the why?

697
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 4: Okay, So does that make sense?

698
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 5: Oh?

699
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,639
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not trying to be insured to you.

700
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 4: Okay, that's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to

701
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:21,280
be a person to you that you understand I set

702
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,960
from I set across a lot of people, Okay, in the.

703
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,519
Speaker 7: Day one I set across or the times I've set

704
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,639
across from you, you remind me of a common man

705
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,360
that goes to work, that works his butt off.

706
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,079
Speaker 4: It is a family man loves his family. That's what

707
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,400
I get from you, Okay. And I may be completely wrong,

708
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,840
but that's what I got from you in the five

709
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,880
months that I had known you.

710
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

711
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: Patrick was for sure a family man. He was in

712
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,400
charge of his own family, and he thought he was

713
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,159
in charge of the neighbors family too. But the detective

714
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,000
was about to uncover this family man's secrets.

715
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: And and one of the times when talking to Patrick,

716
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,760
Patrick Scott made a comment that everybody's saying that he

717
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,360
put her in the pond, or that she's in the

718
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,360
ponds up to that form, and that we're going that

719
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,599
the police are going to drain the pond, He tells

720
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,880
us us, Well, we the pond had never came up,

721
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,760
and so when we when the investigators walked away that day,

722
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,920
we said, did Patrick just tell us where she's at.

723
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,679
Speaker 1: They had already pulled search warrants for his property based

724
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,480
on the revelation that he had her car on his

725
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:35,400
property the day she disappeared. Patrick had several properties, including

726
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,840
one next to his house and another separated by a

727
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,239
neighbor's hayfield. In the middle of that hayfield was a pond.

728
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,400
The owner of the property was one hundred percent cooperative,

729
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,920
so detectives sent out four cadaver dogs, one at a

730
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,599
time and independent from each other, to see if they

731
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,480
could sniff out anything. Each dog caught the scent of

732
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:01,360
something on the north side of the pond, so next

733
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,039
divers checked out the fairly shallow pond but found nothing.

734
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:11,079
They called on a topographist, who theorized that the water

735
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,719
runoff from Patrick's property into the pond could possibly place

736
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,199
the scent there. Feeling like they were literally looking for

737
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,559
a needle in a haystack, they took aerial photos. What

738
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,039
they found on Patrick's property were areas of debris that

739
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:31,480
could be hiding something and also areas of disturbed ground.

740
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,480
Finally they hit something.

741
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: So we hit the first box fairly early as we're digging,

742
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:43,159
and what we noticed was this box had osme plywood

743
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,880
on it, and which is what we had seen at

744
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,920
the hardware store purchased. And we said, you know, it's

745
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,559
that moment where it's okay, you know we're going to

746
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,679
have some closure, and it's not good. It's not what

747
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,679
we wanted, but there is. You know, your mind tells

748
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,280
you what it's probably going to be in that box.

749
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:05,480
So we start the slow, tedious process of hand digging

750
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,239
this box out. And this box is the size of

751
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,920
a skinnier version of a coffin, you know, roughly five

752
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,320
to six feet long, twenty some inches tall. So it's

753
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,199
as soon as you pulled out and you see it,

754
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,239
you pretty well have an idea of what's going to

755
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,519
be in it. We start taking the box apart, and

756
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,960
as soon as we start taking apart, we see VHS

757
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,639
tapes and just trash.

758
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: Now, detectives were worried that this was a false alarm.

759
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,119
They had seen Patrick go to a hardware store a

760
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,079
day after Valerie's disappearance and purchased the very materials used

761
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:52,159
on this box, but this wasn't the box. Patrick was

762
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:56,000
an extremely routine oriented kind of guy, but they noticed

763
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,400
that he strayed from his usual schedule and headed to

764
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:02,480
a remote cemetery that very day. Now they would need

765
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,360
permission to excavate the cemetery. They sent deputies to have

766
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,199
a conversation with the presiding priest, but at the same time,

767
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,719
the excavator on Patrick's property wasn't giving up.

768
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,159
Speaker 3: The guy running the excavator is a local guy here

769
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:21,920
and again I revert back to proud community. Anybody bend

770
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,639
over backwards to help us. And he owns a local

771
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,360
record business. His name is Bruce Davis, and he is

772
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,280
one of the greatest people in every community should have

773
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,519
a Bruce Davis. And he was running the excavator for

774
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,440
us that day. And so Bruce says to us, Hey,

775
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,119
this ground has been disturbed. This ground is My excavator

776
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,719
is not bogging down. I am going to I this

777
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,199
has been somebody has excavated here before. My excavators have

778
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,840
no issue moving this dirt. So we decide, hey, keep digging,

779
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,519
keep digging until you tell us you've hit dirt.

780
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: That hasn't been moved, and that's what he did. He

781
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,000
kept digging, just knowing in his gut that he was

782
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:09,119
going to find Valerie. The excavator was practically fully extended,

783
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,280
meaning he wouldn't be able to dig one more inch,

784
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,960
But in that last attempt, he snagged the teeth of

785
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:21,360
the bucket on another wooden box.

786
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 3: You can start smelling the decomposition. Then it's a smell

787
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,639
anybody's ever smelled it. It's a smell that will never

788
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,480
exit their brain, and you could start smelling it.

789
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: When they pulled the box out, they realized it required

790
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:38,480
a special drill bit to open it. Guess where they

791
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:44,440
found it? In a nearby shed belonging to Patrick. They

792
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,440
opened the box, and even though they weren't able to

793
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,679
identify Valerie's body, they recognized the orange fingernail polish she

794
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,920
was wearing in the last photo of her, the snapchat

795
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,679
photo of her in Patrick's carn't use you.

796
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 7: Drove Valerie, alt went back to your residence, okay, And

797
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,920
you arrived at your residence at twelve fifty nine PM, okay.

798
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,599
And then between twelve fifty nine and roughly four o'clock

799
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,320
something happened, and our.

800
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,519
Speaker 4: Job was to fill the gap and to try to figure.

801
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,159
Speaker 2: Out what happened.

802
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 4: As an investigation unfolded.

803
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 7: That led us to a day in which we found

804
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,360
the box with Valerie's body in it behind your shed.

805
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:30,599
Speaker 5: Okay.

806
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 7: Now, I couldn't come in here and say, pasture gino,

807
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,400
what I'm about to talk to you, because that's a

808
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:36,119
common thing.

809
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 4: And that was the first thought in my head that

810
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,800
I was gonna do to you.

811
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 7: And then I said no, because I did indeed down

812
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:52,119
you love Valerie and I know you love your family. Okay,

813
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:55,039
so I decided that when I come in that door

814
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,039
just now, I'm gonna give you an opportunity to explain

815
00:45:59,119 --> 00:45:59,400
the why.

816
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: Okay, because we have her in the box.

817
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:06,119
Speaker 1: You would think that Patrick Scott would be shitting his

818
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,159
pants right about now, but not once did he act

819
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,199
like he was nervous. This man has nerves of steel.

820
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,960
Detectives had finally found Valerie in a homemade wooden box

821
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:23,480
crafted by Patrick himself. This discovery did not come easily,

822
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:27,199
though Patrick owned several properties next to his house, and

823
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,800
he also mowed dozens of large areas of ground, including

824
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,480
a remote cemetery where his phone pinged the afternoon. Valerie disappeared,

825
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,880
but it was something Patrick mistakenly said in a previous

826
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,039
interview that eventually led them to her body. The only

827
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:50,639
question that was left unanswered was why why would a

828
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,840
seemingly normal father, grandfather, business owner, neighbor and friend take

829
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,280
the life of someone he supposedly cared about. Police had

830
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:39,719
a final task ahead in rural Indiana, a search for

831
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,679
a missing teen Valerie Tyndall, had stretched on for months,

832
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,599
filled with dead ends and false leads. After Valerie disappeared

833
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,159
on June seventh, twenty twenty three, the initial investigation focused

834
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,599
on tracking her last known movements, including her trip to

835
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,679
a nearby town, where her car was eventually discovered at

836
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:05,639
aartment complex. Detectives worked tirelessly, following up on phone pings,

837
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:10,800
surveillance footage, and interviews with those closest to her. Patrick Scott,

838
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,280
her employer, was questioned early on, but insisted that he

839
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,159
dropped Valerie off in Homer that day, a detail that

840
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:25,000
initially seemed believable, But as the investigation progressed, new pieces

841
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:30,400
of evidence started coming out, text messages, surveillance data, and

842
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,559
discrepancies in Patrick Scott's account. The breakthrough came in late

843
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:40,559
November when detectives, aided by FBI agents, uncovered a disturbing

844
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:45,880
scene on Scott's property. During excavation, a wooden box was

845
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:51,199
unearthed containing human remains. Investigators had feared the worst, and

846
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,559
this gruesome discovery confirmed their suspicions. Valerie had been murdered,

847
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,400
and now it was up to detective Randy Meek to

848
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:06,320
excavate the remaining information from killer Patrick Scott.

849
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 4: What happened to Valerie?

850
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:16,199
Speaker 2: Got carried away? Want do what.

851
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 5: Lay out to it?

852
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: Laid out to me? What happens her? She tried to

853
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,920
buy me, o me into buying in her car?

854
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 7: Good?

855
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,199
Speaker 4: What happened?

856
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,559
Speaker 2: She thought she was going to sedition and it wasn't

857
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:28,119
going to happen.

858
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,119
Speaker 1: Don't forget this is a minor compared to a seasoned

859
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,719
grown man, Dan.

860
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: She just got carried away.

861
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:41,119
Speaker 4: It's gonna explain act to me. What's that meaning? Does

862
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:46,239
Linda know about it? Okay, nobody knows? Yours still WI.

863
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,159
Speaker 2: She tried to sedition and I wasn't gonna happen.

864
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: But what happened to Valerie? That's where you're saw?

865
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: What I mean?

866
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,039
Speaker 4: What did you do to her?

867
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 2: What did I do to what you do? So tell

868
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,559
us what you do is strangled her.

869
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,679
Speaker 1: A cold blooded sociopath who claimed to devote himself to work,

870
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,719
his family and friends, including Valerie, lied for weeks in

871
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,559
two months, while knowing the whole time that she lay

872
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,719
in a cold box underground, just yards away from the

873
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,639
comfort of her bed and her home and the love

874
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,199
of her family. And why because he wasn't having it.

875
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:30,000
He wasn't having his wife, who was already suspicious, discover

876
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:35,199
how carried away things had gotten with this girl. Even

877
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,920
if his claims were true, Valerie was a child of seventeen. Besides,

878
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,079
there was not one shred of evidence that she intended

879
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:50,679
to blackmail him. That was all bullshit, a bell, Okay,

880
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,760
Then what to do with it?

881
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: I moved her into the office?

882
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,679
Speaker 4: Okay? How long was she learned?

883
00:50:58,159 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: Till next day?

884
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: Where's the belt? It's okay? You left her in the

885
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:07,719
office till next day? And then what happened?

886
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:09,519
Speaker 5: Then?

887
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: When I got home the next day, I just made

888
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:12,599
that box.

889
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,079
Speaker 3: Okay?

890
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,159
Speaker 4: What about the hole?

891
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: The holes already done. But he wasn't for that. It

892
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,400
was because I was telling comm about to concrete in it.

893
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:23,559
Speaker 4: What about the other box?

894
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,119
Speaker 2: Just put shit in it?

895
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 4: We did did you build to that day? No, it

896
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,559
was just about one. So you strangle her? What room

897
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:33,719
were you when you strangle her?

898
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,559
Speaker 2: Backed here by my bedroom, like in that little pintryway.

899
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,559
Speaker 4: Had you and Valor been in a sexual relationship ever? Okay?

900
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,119
So you said she tried to seduce you for the car,

901
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:49,519
We'll explain to me what happened.

902
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: She was fun to come on to me.

903
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 4: Did she say she was going to get you in

904
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,239
trouble or yeah, she.

905
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: Was going to tell everybody that I was making moves

906
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,280
on her. I wasn't going I was go have.

907
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: It, okay.

908
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,159
Speaker 2: It's just things got out of hand.

909
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:06,159
Speaker 4: Where did the bell come from?

910
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 5: It was mine?

911
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,519
Speaker 2: I had it on, you got it on? Okay.

912
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 4: So explained to me what happened there in that room,

913
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,760
Like how did you get the belt on her?

914
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: I was fighting her off, and I took it and

915
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,199
threw it around her.

916
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,119
Speaker 4: Why were you guys fighting because she was.

917
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,599
Speaker 2: Trying to get she tried to take her clothes off, okay,

918
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,800
And it wasn't gonna do it, okay.

919
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: And then you guys got in a fight.

920
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of a pushing a shoving thing right there, okay.

921
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 4: And then you said your belt off, and then what happened?

922
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:43,039
Speaker 2: I put it around her neck and I held on

923
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:44,079
to it till she quit.

924
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,039
Speaker 4: Okay, and what did you do afterwards?

925
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 5: Like?

926
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 4: What did you? What was going through your head at

927
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:49,760
that time?

928
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with her.

929
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: Well, here's an idea. Since they were supposedly engaged into

930
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:59,800
a pushing match, you could have pushed her towards the

931
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,440
door and sent her across the street back home instead

932
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,320
of maybe, I don't know, ending her life.

933
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 4: Was she struggling when you were stroking r when you

934
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,679
were strained on her?

935
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:10,079
Speaker 7: Yeah?

936
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,119
Speaker 4: Okay, what were you saying, sir?

937
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: They say nothing and lived on Blackmaily?

938
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah? So because of the blackmail?

939
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 5: Did you?

940
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 4: Was that your intention to kill her? To avoid the BLACKMAILINGNA.

941
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: Tell everybody that I had my way with her and

942
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:28,480
that never happened.

943
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,599
Speaker 4: Okay, you see you you seem like a good guy.

944
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,039
Explain to me how you have functioned like you have.

945
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:41,199
Did you hate Valerie?

946
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:42,599
Speaker 5: Yeah?

947
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just heard a real sociopath's response, A real

948
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:53,960
life monster disguised as a human. There's lots of them.

949
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:59,760
When asked if he hated Valerie, his answer was so nonchalant,

950
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,840
that it's terrifying, so indifferent that it's like he's talking

951
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,800
about a TV show. The hallmark of sociopathy is not

952
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:16,519
rage or hatred, but a disturbing emotional vacancy, a disconnection

953
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:23,280
to empathy. Sociopaths commit acts of violence or betrayal without

954
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,440
feeling the gravity of their actions whatsoever. It's like life's

955
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,559
a board game and you're playing it, but the instructions

956
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,599
are in Chinese and you don't really care. You're just

957
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:38,159
gonna do whatever you're gonna do, regardless of the rules.

958
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,840
In fact, there's nothing behind the rules other than just

959
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:41,719
a bunch of gibberish.

960
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 5: To you.

961
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,639
Speaker 1: Scott's flat no wasn't just a dismissal of the question.

962
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,119
It was a glimpse into his inability to connect with

963
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,159
what he had done to him. The act of murder

964
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,800
wasn't fueled by passion or hatred. It was simply another

965
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,719
moment in time, another problem to be solved, another task

966
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:04,519
to complete.

967
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:06,519
Speaker 2: So we did all kinds of stuff.

968
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,639
Speaker 4: I see clothes as well. I'm asking you know.

969
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 9: We took she'd go out to eat with us, her

970
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,880
and her little sister Boba go It's at different places.

971
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,039
Speaker 2: They took her to the movies. They've taken her shopping.

972
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,119
Speaker 7: You see a good guy like I don't understand, Like

973
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,280
that's got to bother you ride that you killed the vallerye.

974
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: I looked crazy about it.

975
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: Wasn't too crazy about it. Taking a child's life.

976
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,559
Speaker 3: That is, it was obviously not the outcome we we wanted,

977
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,239
not the outcome the family wanted or anybody in our

978
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,719
community wanted. But we at least had everybody working together

979
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:49,239
collectively doing our job, and we never lost focus.

980
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 4: I mean we worked hours. I mean, it's our lives.

981
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 3: Ultimately, all the investigators' lives we stopped, you know, in

982
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,800
June that year, and all way up till November twenty eighth,

983
00:55:59,199 --> 00:55:59,960
our lives stopped.

984
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 5: You know.

985
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:03,519
Speaker 3: We all had families at home, and we dedicated ourselves

986
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,079
to this. We worked terrible hours to try to find her.

987
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:08,559
We had notebooks, We had guys. Some of the guys

988
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:12,480
had notebooks beside their ben I know, I sent emails

989
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:13,960
at like two three in the morning. I think of

990
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:15,960
something when I'm trying to go to sleep, and we

991
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,760
send emails. But we lived this for you know, those

992
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,199
five months, and we did it together, and we never

993
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,239
you know, we never stopped on it. It was it

994
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,039
was Valerie became our kid.

995
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: The detective didn't say all that for sympathy. He said

996
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,760
it to remind us about the concept of community and

997
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,519
working together to flush out evil even when we can't

998
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,679
see it. Being a homicide detective must sometimes feel like

999
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,800
being a shadow chaser and priest at the same time.

1000
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,079
Every lead feels like looking at something evil moving just

1001
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:56,239
out of sight, looking on the edges of reality. The

1002
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,840
average Joe or Joan never truly delves into the fact

1003
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,840
that evil is all around us every single day.

1004
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes people wonder, like, how did the

1005
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:15,079
parents not see this? How did the parents not understand that? Well,

1006
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,159
the thing is is, the parents didn't know any of

1007
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:22,239
this stuff. This is a guy who ran a successful business.

1008
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,880
He was a neighbor. We live in an area that

1009
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,960
a lot of people go and mow for people, a

1010
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,639
lot of people, there's a lot of mowing services, and

1011
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:32,320
people go and mo for them, and that you trust

1012
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,039
them to take care of your kids. And here's a

1013
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,840
neighbor that they were friends with, Their families were friends,

1014
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:42,280
and they trusted this guy. And so obviously the parents

1015
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,519
didn't know all this stuff at the time, and so

1016
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:49,400
I think sometimes we forget that that information isn't given

1017
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,239
to you like that, it's trickled in. And so the

1018
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,320
family trusted this guy, just like a lot of us

1019
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,559
would trust our neighbors, and just like a lot of

1020
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:59,280
us trust our kids to go off and work for someone.

1021
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,480
And unfortunately, in this situation here, Patrick Scott was a

1022
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:05,880
monster and he was in disguise.

1023
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: Fifty nine year old Patrick Scott pled guilty and was

1024
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,360
sentenced to basically a whole other lifetime fifty seven years

1025
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,760
in prison for the murder of seventeen year old Valerie Tyndall.

1026
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:22,159
Believe it or not, we are all constantly chasing flickers

1027
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:25,440
of movement just outside of our field of vision. The

1028
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:29,920
real monsters, the people capable of these acts, aren't lurking

1029
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:33,920
off in some shed somewhere in the woods. They're right

1030
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,440
in the corners of your world, hiding in plain sight.

1031
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:42,559
That's the worst part about it. They don't wear the

1032
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:48,320
darkness on their sleeve. They move among us. They're your gardener,

1033
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:54,559
your door dasher, your grocery store clerk, your gas station attendant.

1034
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,840
They cook your meals, haul out your trash, They connect

1035
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:05,039
your calls, they drive your ambulances, they guard you while

1036
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:41,800
you sleep. Well, that's gonna do it for another one.

1037
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:44,760
We'll be here next week if you want to join us,

1038
00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:47,400
unless you're a socialist, of course, in which case you

1039
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,400
can just fuck off. We don't need you here whining.

1040
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,199
That's all you know how to do anyway, all right, patriots.

1041
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:04,719
So oh, if you don't like America and want communism,

1042
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,159
get the fuck out.