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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app. Stories We're following for you today.

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<v Speaker 1>On this Tuesday, February eleventh, twenty twenty five, President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>says us taking control of Gaza will bring peace in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. He was with the King of Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>at the White House today said the Gaza Strip is

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<v Speaker 1>a warn torn region and Palestinians will be moved what

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<v Speaker 1>he called a safer place. He had put the onus

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<v Speaker 1>on Jordan, while King Abdullah today pledge to take in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand Palestinian children. It seems like that was the

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<v Speaker 1>happy medium they decided upon.

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<v Speaker 2>Today in Washington, another big international story, the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>was able to secure the release of Mark Fogel, an

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<v Speaker 2>American who's been held in Russia for about three years,

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<v Speaker 2>in what they describe as an exchange. Still getting the

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<v Speaker 2>details on this, but this deal to release Fogel was

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<v Speaker 2>negotiated by Trump by Special Envoy for the Middle East

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Whitcoff and some of the president's advisors.

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<v Speaker 3>At least according to a statement from the National Security.

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<v Speaker 2>Advisor Mike Waltz didn't give any details about what the

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<v Speaker 2>exchange is, other than to say that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>show of good faith from the Russians and a sign

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<v Speaker 2>that we were moving in the right direction to end

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<v Speaker 2>the brutal and terrible war in Ukraine. Witkoff actually went

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<v Speaker 2>to Russia to bring back Mark Fogel. No known high

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<v Speaker 2>level US travel to Russia since the start of the

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine War in February of twenty two, so they have

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<v Speaker 2>already started releasing some pictures of Mark Fogel on an

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<v Speaker 2>airplane on his way back to the United States. He's

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<v Speaker 2>an American teacher who was detained there for apparently having

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<v Speaker 2>drugs in his suitcase at an airport. He claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>they were medical.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a prescription for marijuana. They don't care in Russia.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not what they But what else is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Time four?

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<v Speaker 3>What's happening?

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<v Speaker 4>A serious storm is on the way to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in southern California, three days of rain expected to

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<v Speaker 1>begin tomorrow. Heaviest rain will likely arrive early Thursday. Flash

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<v Speaker 1>floodwatch goes into effect in the Burn areas. The weather

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<v Speaker 1>system expected to bring gusty winds, mountains, snow. They say

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<v Speaker 1>have an evacuation plan ready, sign up for weather alerts

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in those vulnerable areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of the vulnerable areas, we will be paying attention

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to the real estate markets and the palisades

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<v Speaker 2>in the Altadena area. According to realtor dot com, one

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<v Speaker 2>lot where a home used to stand in the Pacific

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<v Speaker 2>Palisades before it was destroyed, has sold for about a

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars just the lot, nine hundred square foot property

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<v Speaker 2>located on Avenue to de La Herradura, listed for just

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<v Speaker 2>under a million dollars on January sixteenth, a week it

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<v Speaker 2>was listed a week after the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>They people are swooping in probably all cash to rebuild

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<v Speaker 1>and sell or just.

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<v Speaker 4>Rebuild.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're seeing a lot of foreign money sweeping

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<v Speaker 1>into real estate markets.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is what you're going to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Alta Dina and there was a lot on West Calaveras

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<v Speaker 1>Street used to be a rental property was sold one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars over the asking price, all cash, for

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<v Speaker 1>five point fifty. There are several signs up in yards

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<v Speaker 1>in Altadena that say Altadena not for sale that way.

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<v Speaker 1>They want their community back, They don't want a whole

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<v Speaker 1>new population to come in and swoop over and take

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<v Speaker 1>over what Altatina was.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're going to see this I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, whether it's Altadina or Palisades, obviously the prices

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be different, but you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>multiple offers. The one in Palisades they said they had

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<v Speaker 2>seventy or eighty inquiries into a burned out lot.

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<v Speaker 4>That's can look very different for.

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<v Speaker 3>Almost a million.

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<v Speaker 2>San Bernardino County Sheriff's departments asking for help finding couple

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<v Speaker 2>of robbers who broke into a home in Hesperia tied

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<v Speaker 2>up their residents before they stole cash and took off.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a few nights ago.

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<v Speaker 2>They tied up the family, they stole an undisclosed amount

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<v Speaker 2>of cash. Victims eventually freed themselves. Were able to call

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one, but did not provide any description of

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<v Speaker 2>the robbers or of the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf of America has arrived on Google Maps. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump renaming the Gulf of Mexico. Now when you check

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<v Speaker 1>out the Google Maps you will see this to follow

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<v Speaker 1>the executive order. Google has previously said it has a

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<v Speaker 1>long standing practice of applying name changes when they've been

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<v Speaker 1>updated in official government sources, so there it is Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>of America.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Some fake signs have been posted in the West Hollywood area,

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<v Speaker 2>causing concerns for the community. Mayor of West Hollywood said

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<v Speaker 2>that these Immigration and Customs enforcement signs appear to mean

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<v Speaker 2>to intimidate the com unity all the signs, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>the signs are not what the city stands for and

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<v Speaker 2>on and on. Flyers were first spotted on Friday were

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<v Speaker 2>immediately taken down by the city's code enforcement because it

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<v Speaker 2>does appear that they're fake. They're home printed signs. They

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<v Speaker 2>are apparently literally duct taped to poles and trees and things,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not how the federal government posts signs, and

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<v Speaker 2>all it says. It's a sign that says the logo

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<v Speaker 2>of the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and then has a

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<v Speaker 2>phone number for you to call, which is a real

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<v Speaker 2>phone number for ICE apparently, but that's all. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>say anything about We're coming to get.

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<v Speaker 3>You or so.

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<v Speaker 1>A collapse landing gear is apparent cause of that plane

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<v Speaker 1>crash near Phoenix involving the jet owned by Vince Neil.

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<v Speaker 1>One person was killed in that crash yesterday afternoon at

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<v Speaker 1>Scottsdale airport Fire Department spokesman saying three people were taken

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<v Speaker 1>to hospitals, two with life threatening conditions. This is just

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes drive from where the PGA's Waste Managed

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<v Speaker 1>Meant Phoenix Open was held over the weekend. It was

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<v Speaker 1>wild because I was there this weekend for the Savannah

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<v Speaker 1>Bananas and everyone in the airport was wearing waste management

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and I figured they had a convention or something

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<v Speaker 1>in Phoenix. But anyway, TMZ reports of Vince Neil was

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<v Speaker 1>not on the plane, his girlfriend was and is currently

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital with broken ribs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to get your wife roses for Valentine's Day?

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<v Speaker 1>It'll cost you ninety dollars?

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, you'd rather take her to dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to do both. You don't love her? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kidding, I'm kidding. You know how I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety dollars and fifty cents is the national average for

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen roses, two percent increase from last year.

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<v Speaker 3>The highest cost for a dozen roses Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like roses is too to hack.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know your wife or your girlfriend, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>whoever you're in love with, you know that what their

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<v Speaker 1>favorite flower probably is, or just don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Get rose because it's easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get something obscure and just say, oh, these reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of you because they're so different.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the lowest price for roses this

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<v Speaker 2>year Alaska.

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<v Speaker 3>Under seventy six dollars for a dozen.

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<v Speaker 1>Because up in Alaska, you're worried about the bush. You're

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<v Speaker 1>worried about skin and an animal for dinner, not worried

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<v Speaker 1>about bringing home roses. Maybe bush. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means. Is that a thing wild wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of Alaska. Yeah, you're worried about the.

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<v Speaker 1>Foliage, foliage, the dense foliage, foliage, foliage things out there

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<v Speaker 1>with the beasts of the wild claws and the teething

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<v Speaker 1>the nook of the north.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we can say that.

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<v Speaker 4>Why it was a book. Oh, it's like Sarah Plane

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<v Speaker 4>and Tall But no nook.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what it is. It's just like Sarah Plane

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<v Speaker 3>and Tall.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they both lived very boring lives.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the phone with my brother yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>I said something pretty biting because I still have the

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<v Speaker 1>chance to hone my brother insults with you. Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your practice and he doesn't have that anymore because we

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<v Speaker 1>talk in pretty infrequently. I mean we talk, but not

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<v Speaker 1>that often, not enough to get in constant barbs to

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<v Speaker 1>each other the way we used to.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not out of practice, he is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said something on the phone yesterday to him

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<v Speaker 1>that was so biting, and I felt and I could

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<v Speaker 1>almost see him recoil from the phone, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very sorry that came out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm used to. You know, being able to.

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<v Speaker 3>Your sparring partner is tough.

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<v Speaker 1>For the sparring partner, it gets more is more exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to my meanness than you are these days. So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we have women disappearing over a period of time off

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<v Speaker 1>the rural Highway twenty of ore again started in the

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<v Speaker 1>late seventies, continued into the nineties. Finally found the one

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<v Speaker 1>man linked to all five crime, which had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense surrounding it being this one guy because he

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<v Speaker 1>had such access to this road.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's unfortunate is there's plenty of other mysterious stories

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<v Speaker 2>about Highway twenty through Oregon that were never connected to

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, but show every indication that he was responsible.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where we start our true crime Tuesday the story

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<v Speaker 3>is true.

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<v Speaker 4>Sounds true?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it sounds made up.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Garry and Shannon present True Crime.

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<v Speaker 1>It begins in nineteen seventy seven in Sisters, Oregon, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a woman by the name of Marlene Gabrielson. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this was Marlene's first night away from her baby girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Her daughter was born three months earlier. You can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how apprehensive she was leaving her baby girl. She was young,

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<v Speaker 1>she was about twenty years old, but still late spring

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy seven, and she and her husband decided

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<v Speaker 1>that they would have a night out. Mom and dad

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<v Speaker 1>would have a night out at the rodeo there and Sister's, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>She found a friend to care for her baby. She

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<v Speaker 1>pumped the breast milk, She wrote out the napping schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole bit. She threw on her green Levi, She

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<v Speaker 1>put on her buckskin boots her husband had gotten her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she whispers to her daughter, good night. Mommy loves

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<v Speaker 1>you too much, she said, be a good girl. They

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<v Speaker 1>drive about ninety miles from their home there and Lebanon

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<v Speaker 1>set up camp near the rodeo grounds, and they sit

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<v Speaker 1>around the campfire, having a couple of beers now. They

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<v Speaker 1>got into a little bit of a fight later on

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<v Speaker 1>that night, and he says he wants to head off

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of friends. You know how young people

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<v Speaker 1>go after they've had a couple of beers. She says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna go home to the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, she wanders around out of the campground back towards

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<v Speaker 2>the highway, and as she gets back to the campground,

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<v Speaker 2>a stranger said that his buddy would give her a lift.

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<v Speaker 3>So she had hitchhiked before.

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<v Speaker 1>This was nineteen seventy seven. Everyone hitchike, Everyone hitchhiked. She

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<v Speaker 2>She squeezes into the front seat of the truck between

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<v Speaker 2>these two guys, the stranger that she met and the

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<v Speaker 2>buddy that was going to drive home.

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<v Speaker 4>Think about uber, but you don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>As they drive west, the guy in the passenger seat

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<v Speaker 1>And she notices there's something weird about the vehicle at

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<v Speaker 1>have all been taken out. There's nothing for you to

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<v Speaker 4>It was basically a trap vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>She sees the rifle in the rack in the back

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<v Speaker 2>the lid, and an old cop I he can and

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<v Speaker 2>she's alone except for the driver, a guy named John

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<v Speaker 1>Now the twenty two rifle again not something to be

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious of, not in that part rural Oregon. It's the seventies,

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<v Speaker 3>She sleeps. About an hour into the drive.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy turns off of Highway twenty onto an old

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<v Speaker 2>out of the truck. She feels the blade of the

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<v Speaker 2>hunting knife against her neck and he says, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to you're going to do what I tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>He rapes her.

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<v Speaker 1>He then says I'm not sure what to do with you.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, you could take me home. He says, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I want to do that. She says

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<v Speaker 1>to him at this point, I've got a baby, not

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<v Speaker 1>even a year old. Please take me home. So he

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<v Speaker 1>considers this for a long moment, which must have felt

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<v Speaker 1>ripped her the pants she was wearing. They climb back

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<v Speaker 1>in the truck. They continue on a highway twenty He

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<v Speaker 1>She tries to see the house number from the truck.

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<v Speaker 1>She's trying to get some evidence here, but she can't

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<v Speaker 1>see it. When he returns, she has a presence of

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<v Speaker 1>mind to ask for his phone number, kind of insinuate

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<v Speaker 1>that she's into him, like maybe we can see each

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<v Speaker 1>other again, and he gives it to her. She writes

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<v Speaker 1>it down on a pack of cigarettes. He drives her

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<v Speaker 1>another twelve miles down the road, stops in front of

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<v Speaker 1>her mother's law. In in front of her mother in

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<v Speaker 1>law's house where they had been staying, she flies out

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<v Speaker 1>of the pickup the mother in law's like, what the

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<v Speaker 1>hell happened, and she calls the police.

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<v Speaker 2>She eventually goes through a lie detect or test. Did

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<v Speaker 2>she tell the truth? Did you feel like you'd been raped?

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<v Speaker 2>Was there a question? Were you afraid to answer? The

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<v Speaker 2>conclusion was that she was lying about this. So and

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't offer an explanation as to why he put

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<v Speaker 2>that in the report. But they asked the guy they found,

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<v Speaker 2>John Ackroyd, and they found him. Did you force her

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<v Speaker 2>to have sex? Did you have a knife in your hand?

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<v Speaker 2>He lied the entire way, but they said no deception

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<v Speaker 2>was detected.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a time when men were believed over women

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and this is why many rape cases went

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<v Speaker 1>unreported and still due to this day, because it's he said,

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<v Speaker 1>she said. And in this situation, she's a young girl,

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<v Speaker 1>she had been drinking, all of the things she got

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<v Speaker 1>into the truck willingly, all of this counts against her.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just the way it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why you have so many of these

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<v Speaker 1>true crime stories of missing women that the cases are

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<v Speaker 1>never solved because a lot of the stuff doesn't go

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<v Speaker 1>reported or it's not taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Also interesting that she was apparently the only survivor that

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<v Speaker 2>they know of, of an attack by this guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>there one of the reasons why they weren't investigating it

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<v Speaker 2>so thoroughly was they were already investigating the murder of

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<v Speaker 2>a young woman that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was also in the Sisters area.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the only reason that investigators circled back to Marlene's

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<v Speaker 1>story is because they were investigating that crime two years later.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I started in the late seventies.

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<v Speaker 4>We believe right where we left you off.

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<v Speaker 2>John Arthur Ackroyd is a guy who worked for the

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<v Speaker 2>State Department of Transportation in Oregon, and Highway twenty was

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<v Speaker 2>his beat. Goes from Newport, Oregon all the way across

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<v Speaker 2>over the mountains into Sisters, into Bend, kind of wends

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<v Speaker 2>its way out the southeastern part of Oregon, makes its

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<v Speaker 2>way all the way across the country, does Highway twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>This was a guy who was an odd dude too.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a guy whose name would come up because well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was an odd dude. He had worked for the

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<v Speaker 1>Highway Department. He was raised in that nearby area of

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet Home, a modest logging town along Highway twenty. Only

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<v Speaker 1>son of an office worker at the local police department,

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<v Speaker 1>a maintenance guy, middle child between two sisters, low grades

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<v Speaker 1>in school. His high school diploma marked with special education, loner, bullied,

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<v Speaker 1>beaten by glassmates, felony, theft as a teen, stationed in Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>Korea after he enlisted in the army. Also was in

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<v Speaker 1>Thailand and Germany. He worked as a mechanic overseas. Investigated

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<v Speaker 1>for selling weed, going a wall, caught trying to steal

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<v Speaker 1>equipment and supplies. He had a disturbed mind, shall we

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<v Speaker 1>This was the guy who would drive back roads, known

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<v Speaker 1>for shooting squirrels, cutting off their tails. As a young guy,

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<v Speaker 1>he killed puppies using a machete.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean all the red flags.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy seven, he was connected to the case

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<v Speaker 2>of Arlene Gabrielson, a young mom who survived an attack

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven. Short time after that, nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 2>Kate Turner was found dead. Now Kay Turner was about

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five years old. She had lived in Eugene. She

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<v Speaker 2>was working as a Planned Parenthood employee and then at

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<v Speaker 2>a manager at a local public health agency.

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<v Speaker 3>She was an only child, close to her parents. She

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<v Speaker 3>was a runner.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd run a couple of marathons in nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and she and her husband joined some friends at a

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<v Speaker 2>getaway in Camp Sherman, which is a little fly fishing

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<v Speaker 2>retreat along the Metolius River there just off of Highway twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas eve, very cold, she's going to go for a run, and.

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<v Speaker 1>She planned an eight mile run and said she'd be

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<v Speaker 1>back in an hour in time for breakfast.

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<v Speaker 4>Which makes me feel very slow.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good, she's pretty quick running right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a guy, a highway worker State highway worker

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<v Speaker 1>named Thomas Hannah that spotted her that morning that she

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<v Speaker 1>had been running alone south. He saw he had been

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<v Speaker 1>returning to his place there in Camp Sherman after working

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<v Speaker 1>the night shift. When he's driving home he sees her.

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<v Speaker 1>He sees enough person driving through Camp Sherman that morning

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<v Speaker 1>and who was it? That was John Ackroyd. By ten o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't back. Her husband got worried, finding no sign,

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<v Speaker 1>they called police. At this point there was also a

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<v Speaker 1>weird story.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody was a little on edge because there were two

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<v Speaker 2>young women at Kleine Falls State Park just about an

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<v Speaker 2>hour away who had been run over by a guy

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<v Speaker 2>in his pickup truck. And then the guy in the

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<v Speaker 2>pickup truck got out and hit them with an axe.

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<v Speaker 3>He attacked these women.

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<v Speaker 2>They both survived the attack, but no one was ever

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<v Speaker 2>charged in that case, so so Kay Turner is missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ackroyd was one of the guys who came forward and said,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw her, but I didn't do anything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw her running, but I was just I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>state highway worker. I had a job to do, so

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 4>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>He was based that day, twenty five miles from Camp Sherman.

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<v Speaker 1>Said he'd gotten off work about six thirty am. A

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<v Speaker 1>while later, he drives through the camp planning to hunt coyotes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he passed by a runner. This is what he

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<v Speaker 1>tells the cops. Detectives did not dwell on him, though.

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<v Speaker 1>They focused on this woman's husband because she had had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of affairs, extramarital relationships. She had had with

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<v Speaker 1>two men at the time. In fact, she had her

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<v Speaker 1>liaisons with these guys written on her calendar at work,

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<v Speaker 1>so they thought, well, the husband's got a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>kill the wife.

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<v Speaker 4>He's pissed off that she's screwing.

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<v Speaker 2>Around eight months later, John Ackroyd walks into the general

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<v Speaker 2>store there in Camp Sherman and says, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to somebody. I found the remains of that jogger

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<v Speaker 2>that you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The woman who worked there recognized this guy. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the weirdo that she had seen a number of

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<v Speaker 1>times since that runner had gone missing. One of those

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<v Speaker 1>times stood out because, oh, I don't know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a newdie magazine while touching himself.

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<v Speaker 4>She was grossed out.

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<v Speaker 1>So she goes to fight her husband, and by the

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<v Speaker 1>time they returned to confront him in the store, he's

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<v Speaker 1>gone anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the cops roll in. He leads them to what's

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<v Speaker 2>left of kay Turner's body, which at this point is

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<v Speaker 2>just scraps of clothing and some random bones.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, a piece of her watch was there. The watch

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<v Speaker 4>had stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine twenty seven am on the day she went for

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<v Speaker 1>that run and turned up missing December twenty fourth. Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out the watch stopped when it was ripped apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Now his story changed. He says he didn't stop and

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<v Speaker 2>see her when she was jogging that morning. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>says he did stop it. All he did was talk

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<v Speaker 2>to her. Still, they're not smart enough, apparently, to put

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<v Speaker 2>this together that this guy happened to be the one

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<v Speaker 2>who despite everybody else out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking for this woman. He was the only one who

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<v Speaker 3>found her.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, her breast had been punctured by a bullet, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had said that at one point he touched her

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<v Speaker 1>arm and her hair. Anyway, they learned that he had

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<v Speaker 1>returned to check on the remains after she was initially killed,

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<v Speaker 1>which is obviously a tell that this was the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who did it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was his own stepdaughter.

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<v Speaker 4>Thirteen year old stepdaughter.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you the story about John Arthur Ackroyd and

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<v Speaker 2>a series of victims. He's considered to be one of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst serial killers, definitely in the Pacific Northwest, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's saying something. He worked along the Highway twenty corridor

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<v Speaker 2>from Newport, Oregon over into Bend and back. Was a

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<v Speaker 2>highway repair guide, not just fixing equipment that was owned

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<v Speaker 2>by this state of Oregon, but also people that would

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<v Speaker 2>break down trucks and things like that. He is accused

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<v Speaker 2>of attacking Marlene Gabrielson back in nineteen seventy seven, a

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<v Speaker 2>young woman who survived Kay Turner, whose body was found

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<v Speaker 2>eight months after he last saw her. And then a

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen year old stepdaughter of his own, Rashonda Pickle.

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<v Speaker 1>Rashonda Pickle just thirteen years old. Family lived at the

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<v Speaker 1>State Highway Division compound where US twenty and Oregon twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two meet.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>John Ackroyd had an unusual agreement with Rashonda's mother, Linda.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple married in the mid eighties, divorced soon after,

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<v Speaker 1>continued to live together though raising Linda's two kids, Rashonda

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<v Speaker 1>and her older brother Byron. This little girl, good kid,

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<v Speaker 1>helped her on the house, did not stray too far,

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<v Speaker 1>would ride her bike, took a bus to school, was

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<v Speaker 1>into Debbie Gibson and Wilson Phillips, just like everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. And to some they say she seemed lost,

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<v Speaker 1>almost invisible, that when parent conferences rolled around, no one

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<v Speaker 1>showed up. That in fifth grade something shifted. She seemed

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<v Speaker 1>withdrawn and tired and clash. She would count down the minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of dread rising at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>the school day approached.

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<v Speaker 2>In the assumption now, of course, is that she was

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<v Speaker 2>being molested by her stepdad. Right there was a day

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<v Speaker 2>that she doesn't go to school. Mom is working as

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<v Speaker 2>an a as a maid, i should say, at a

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<v Speaker 2>resort kind of nearby closer to sister's Oregon and dad

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<v Speaker 2>was her Stepdad was going to go in to Bend

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<v Speaker 2>and work at the transportation shop, but parts didn't come

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<v Speaker 2>in or he made some excuse to go back home.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the last that she was ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>He claims that he thought that maybe something someone broke

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<v Speaker 2>into the house. He did tell cops that he went

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<v Speaker 2>home and saw her and invited her to go with

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<v Speaker 2>him to go take pictures of deer off of one

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<v Speaker 2>of these logging roads, and that she declined. But by

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<v Speaker 2>the time mom and dad, Mom and stepdad got back

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<v Speaker 2>that night to the house, she was nowhere to be found,

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<v Speaker 2>and it looked like she left in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, his name comes up again, obviously, because

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<v Speaker 1>not only is he in the home, but his name

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<v Speaker 1>had surfaced with the last dead woman that we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about and the runner, and the fact that he had

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<v Speaker 1>last seen this little girl and the dead runner at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. This is the fact that he was

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<v Speaker 1>the guy to last see these two people alive and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up murdered was enough for them to realize, this

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<v Speaker 1>is our guy, and we've got to do something about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Here there were at least a couple of other murders

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<v Speaker 2>Melissa Sanders and Sheila Swanson made their final call from

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<v Speaker 2>a payphone in the dark. They'd gone camping at Beverly

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<v Speaker 2>Beach State Park and then were picked up when they hitchhiked.

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<v Speaker 2>They had met six months earlier. They knew nothing of

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's background, obviously, but when the parents woke up

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<v Speaker 2>and saw that their seventeen and nineteen year old girls

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<v Speaker 2>were gone, they assumed that they had gotten a ride

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<v Speaker 2>from friends. And what they didn't know is by the

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<v Speaker 2>time they reported it, those two girls were likely dead

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<v Speaker 2>because this John Arthur Ackroyd had picked them up and

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<v Speaker 2>killed both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives were able to finally prosecute him for the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Kay Turner the Runner from nineteen seventy eight, of

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<v Speaker 1>which he was sentenced to five life sentences for aggravated murder.

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<v Speaker 1>He pleaded no contest in the murder of the stepdaughter

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<v Speaker 1>of the thirteen year old, agreed to not seek parole

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<v Speaker 1>for the murder of the Runner. A case was developed

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<v Speaker 1>against the murders of those two girls, Melissa Sanders and

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<v Speaker 1>Chilliswants and the last ones, but he died before the

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<v Speaker 1>case could be presented to the grand jury. The first

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<v Speaker 1>woman we told you about, Marlene Gabrielson, who left her

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<v Speaker 1>baby for the first time, three month old baby girl

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<v Speaker 1>and was raped in the woods. Was this his only

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<v Speaker 1>known survivor, the only victim known to have lived Her

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<v Speaker 1>case was never prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 2>We also mentioned, of course, the other cases up and

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<v Speaker 2>down Highway twenty or a long Highway twenty where there

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<v Speaker 2>was no suspect identified, just mysterious deaths of people that

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<v Speaker 2>were involved. Some young men also that disappeared along that corridor.

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<v Speaker 2>And the expectation is that this guy, who by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>died in prison eight years ago, is probably responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>many other deaths and disappearances between Newport, Oregon and Bendor.

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<v Speaker 1>At least six, many of which are called things like

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn County Jane Doe or Finley Creek Jane Doe, women, hitchhikers,

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten women, young who nobody paid attention enough to track

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<v Speaker 1>down or hunt down who was responsible for their disappearance

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<v Speaker 1>and eventual murder.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, next week we do something like copyright infringement

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<v Speaker 2>on True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds tintillating, Well, it's tintilating or scintillating. I decided

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<v Speaker 1>a mashup of the both of them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, conserve your words.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you got to come up with new words. When

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<v Speaker 1>one word does not suffice, take two and join them.

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<v Speaker 3>John Colebelt show is coming up like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Frucus, which was coined on the John and Ken Show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a ruckus and a fracus and a fracas

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<v Speaker 1>and it became a frucus.

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<v Speaker 2>If you missed any part of our show, go back

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<v Speaker 2>and check out the podcast anywhere you find your podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't forget to Frucus with John and Iceland.

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<v Speaker 2>Search for Gary and Shannon. Are you signing up for

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<v Speaker 2>that trip?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you close? I'm damn close.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see John in the whirlpools in the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Circle.

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<v Speaker 3>John's up next. We'll see you Tomorrow's day Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody you've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show,

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