Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasicko's I Am Dan Valley coming at
you with mister Moore Jensen of the NBA podcast, Fame
of Yahoo Spords, fame of HBO Max fame of course
only fans, celebrity. You're gathered around the Hardware Knocks NBA
campfire again to go through every Western Conference team's biggest
need following the peak of NBA free agency. We did
the East the other day, so if you have not,
go ahead and check out that podcast.
Speaker 2: We also got to react to the Kawhi.
Speaker 1: Leonard trade pause breaking news in real time. That was
fun to attempt to parse.
Speaker 2: With j Brown trade today it's.
Speaker 1: That second Jail Brown trade is gonna hit so hard,
or imagine the Jail and Brown trade pause that was
already official though. Right So, but uh, we're gonna do
the West. We're gonna alternate teams again picks like we
did last time. There is obviously some business that has
yet to be done. Nothing I mean the Kawhi Leonard
trade as it applies to the Clippers being one of them.
Nothing that should change our overarching thoughts at least on
these squads. First and foremost, though, mister ensign, how are
you doing doing.
Speaker 2: Well, sir. I would like to apologize in advance to
everyone listening in or watching this on YouTube, because if
they're going to be sounds in the background is because
I have my window open because we're in the middle
of July and it's hot as hell, so I just
need to, you know, not die as we do this
live show.
Speaker 1: I'd prefer you faint from heat exhaustion. I feel like,
like live I feel like that'd be really good for
the views and engagement and everything in content nowadays, So
it could go right like.
Speaker 2: I have to faint in a different way. Oh by
the way, opening window sponsored bikedraft Kings right like we
not calci no cal uh? Do you want to get
us started?
Speaker 1: I'm going to game it perfectly so that I forced
you to take the team that at some point that
I know you won't want to take. I'm not really
sure who that is in the Western Conference, good guess.
But I forced you to talk about the Bulls, Yes you.
Speaker 2: Did, so that's why I want to talk about the
Spurs now. I want to pay you that one was coming, yeah, exactly,
that one. We might as well get it out of
the way. So biggest need I still think it's like
a proper power forward. I know that got Tobias Harrison
there and he's look, he's good. I'm not going to
sit here and act as if Tobias Harris doesn't have value.
I thought Philly fans were way too harsh on him
for years and years and years. I think he's going
to help him out, But I don't think he's that
physical enforcer type player that you and I were talking
about during the finals or before the finals even and
the guy that you and I talked about, I don't
know if you remember this talking about I see a
Stewart who we're laughing that option off because you know,
Detroit won sixty games and we're like, no way, he's
like ending up in San Antonio. He'd be perfect, but
no way he ends ups in San Antonio. Blah blah
blah bla. He's gonna stick around. And then he was
traded for like three seconds or two seconds or whatever
the hell it was. So I still think they need
like a very physical, enforcing four man who can just
come in and take care of business. That to me
is still a major gap in their lineup symmetry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the four spots the right focus. They
they have enough guards on this team unless you wanted
them to get another They drafted like eight of them.
I know that hyperboly, but unless you wanted them to
get another type of backup big but it has to
be it has to be the four spot. And I'm
with you in the sense of I think Julian Champagne
is fantastic, But you mentioned the physicality.
Speaker 2: Tobias Harris gives.
Speaker 1: You maybe some of that on the offensive end, but
like you said, he not a perfect fit. Harrison Barnes
isn't gonna do a ton for you at this stage.
We saw that in the NBA Finals. I also think
in addition to the physicality, it would be nice to
have doesn't necessarily need to come from the four spot,
I guess, but to have that guy who can come
in the game and just absolutely let it rip from deep.
They just don't have that on the roster. Really, I
don't like. The closest they come is who is it? Champpenny?
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, So it's one of those two.
Speaker 1: And maybe look, maybe Carter Bryant can give you some
of the physicality that you're talking about, and but I
think it does not seem as if it's clearly not
gonna happen in the offseason. I'd be pretty shocked if
they did something. So maybe you did talk about the
other day, maybe they do do something with the Kelton
Johnson expiring a contract, But that feels very much at
this point like a if they do make an upgrade,
it'll be mid season. We just saw this, not that
it's not working. Maybe it's just not working at a
high enough level. I'm I'm I don't have a problem
with the Tobias Harris signing, but for what I wanted
out of that spot offensively, I don't think he does
enough of it. There's like more self creation and physicality
offensively there than the raw three point volume. But this
team is just they could they They could have done
nothing and potentially won the title, just if you bake
in organic improvement because of how young the top of
their roster is.
Speaker 2: True, I just think it's for them, it's so important
not to get complacent after this final appearance, like you
just we've seen it before. Seems to go to the finals,
they're like, oh, we're right there, we don't have to
do anything. I overwhelmingly disagree with that approach, Like I'm
not saying you need to overhaul anything, but like you
need to be very, very aggressive if you're the losing
team of the finals coming into next year, Like, go
get that ring chaser, Go get that guy who might
cost you an extra draft pick, because you're so goddamn close.
Speaker 1: And I think last time we talked about this, you
were not that I wasn't in fa favor of it,
but Trey Murphy is the name. I thought you were
going to make a joke before when you said the
guy that both of us talked about.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, Trey Murphy's name is gonna come
up with?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been mentioned a ton with them.
Speaker 1: He doesn't the physicality stuff where you're talking about that
wouldn't much be him, I.
Speaker 2: Know, but he'll rip the threes as you talked about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I would just be hesitant because of
the draft equity that it would cost to get him.
And then you're kind of deciding that you're firing your
last your last shot at all, right, just Trey Murphy,
and then that's kind of it.
Speaker 2: You still have.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, but it's it would be so unspursy
to make such an aggressive move like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would, but I'm all in on it because
like they have Wemby, like the like Dylan Harper is
his stud the vodcastly is DoD I mean the Champenny
they got at the good rate, like outside of the
dr and Fox contract, I don't think there's any gregious
deal to be found on their froster whatsoever. So they
just have so many options. And if even if you
can do that give up the equity for for Trey Murphy,
perhaps you're lucky and can actually flip Fox for something
as well, like so you kind of replenish your cuppards
a little bit. I don't think he was like obviously
he was bad in the finals, but I don't think
he's necessarily untradeable. I don't like the contract, but I
don't think he's untradable.
Speaker 1: No, I think he's far from untradeable, would be my guess.
Is there any other names that like spring to mind
for you that they should be looking at? Isaiah Stewart
on this team would have been the Dylan Harper Isaiah
Stewart lineups. Maybe worry about those offensively, like spacing wise
a little bit, but those and Castle, it's a lot
of physical dudes.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, in general, that'd be fun to watch. I mean,
look that those were the two guys I had circled,
like one wasn't serious in terms of Stewart, but now
that he was moved, I'm like, damn, like if they
he was available, so so like if they had walked
away from from this summer with Trey Murphy and I
say a Stewart, I.
Speaker 1: Should I mean, and they can't really save them any
money because they're after paying Champagnie and Harris.
Speaker 2: They're not into the tax, but they're fairly close.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like getting a Michael Porter Junior's
money is going to be tough without including Daron fox yep,
I mean you could get there. I'm assuming they wouldn't
want Caldon Johnson back. So and now you're talking about
like three and four teams scenarios. This would be an
interesting cam Johnson team if the Nuggets are looking to
move him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely efficient hopefully in the system wouldn't be too
high on the totem pole, but enough to where the
spacing is going to be an asset. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Let me just keep naming guys who don't check the
physicality box that you outline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know at the top of this thought.
Speaker 1: Honestly, so I whoa more, are the Spurs wasting weben
Yama's youth because they're cheap?
Speaker 2: No they're not, but they are potentially wasting this summer.
I think that's a really good point, because this is
the last year he's cheap, Like, this is the year
to go out and may be actually do something. And
this is why I was hesitant when they signed Fox
to this type of contract, like the thirty percent max.
I did not like that deal. I thought it was premature.
I don't think they needed to be in such a
rush to get it done because they did it on
the day that he was extension eligible. I think that
was just a little too desperate, a little too thirsty.
So I don't think they've had, you know, a downright
good offseason. I don't have them in the loser category either, because,
like they just nailed the Champagne extension. That was just
such a that's just such a ridiculously good deal. Like
it's impossible to call them losers after doing that. Harris
is fine ish, but I just expected more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I didn't know what to expect. It
would have been nice to have seen a bigger swing. Yeah,
but also this doesn't this summer feel more up the
Spurs' alley in the sense of they'll slow play this
and if they decide they need to make a bigger
move like they did with Fox. I do also think
it hurts. It doesn't hurt that, like you said, you
could move Diaron Fox to where we're not at the
point where to get off of d like part of
the Paul George contract problem, which is why people were
looking at that Jaylen Brown trade and going whoa is
it felt like you needed all along to give up
more than a first round pick to get off the
Paul George deal.
Speaker 2: I don't feel that way about Fox's deal. Maybe I should.
Speaker 1: I'm also willing to say maybe he's just better next
year and if he was healthier, but like in the finals,
maybe we're talking. Maybe we're just having a different conversation
right now for all we know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I still didn't like, you know, a lot of
what he did in the regular season, like yes, the
steady ballhandling, for damn sure, like that was a thing,
Like he was able to go in and dictate tempo.
I will give him that every single day of the week.
But I didn't necessarily like the long range shooting efficiency.
I didn't like the fact that in transition he looked
significantly slower than like prime kings fox, Like we didn't
see And this was not right on the heels of
coming back from the injury. This was like in the
middle of the season, after he'd ramped up, and I
was just kind of kept waiting for that burst to appear,
and he just did it never did, And I think
that has my alarms bells ringing just a little bit,
like where's that spurts? Like where where? Where's the athleticism,
where's that you know, the lightning speed that we've grown
so accustomed to seeing from him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the rim rate was like that's been
down from his peak levels for a little bit, And
so that is a fair concern, which also leads you
to question, well, how does this contract actually age if
this is the the If the athletic burst isn't going
to be there, what happens if he can't generate He
can still generate separation, you know, in the mid range
and with his handle, but if he's not getting to
the rim or get by guys as readily. What if
the separation gets even harder to come by than it
might be already, so that that would be fair as well.
Speaker 2: My turn spent a lot of time on the spurs.
That's far for the course for us.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Minnesota, who I believe just has the
same need, except probably more so. They just need they
need the four after it, and it's not because I
think you could have argued you wanted to see them
upgrade the Julius Randall spot. They just haven't filled the
Julius Randall spot at this point. I would be intrigued
to see more of Jaden McDaniels at the four. I
think that'd be interesting and that he'd be more of
an offensive mismatch there. But they only played Jmac at
the four for forty one possessions, with Rudy also at
the five last season and the year before that it
was two hundred and twenty two possessions, so a little
bit bigger.
Speaker 2: But the offense was really.
Speaker 1: Bad both in both of those seasons during those stretches,
and you look at the roster right now, I don't
really know what the plan would be. I don't think
he's more of a wing anyway, but you're not going
to scale rookie Isaiah Evans up in that department. So
aside from going with these smaller lineups we've seen, they've
been one of the teams that is linked to Lebron James.
I think it would be that'd be one of the
teams I'm just rooting to see Lebron go to because
it would be so shocking. But other than that, maybe
turning to Isaiah Evans or some of these smaller lineups
where j mack is going to be at the four,
I don't know what is the plan here as for Minnesota,
like sort of in that spot. We don't even need
to get bogged down by just the positions of it all,
but it's who is like the primary front court partner
for when Rudy Gobert is in the front line or
Johann Baron Jay's on the front line. I don't know
that they have that guy, and I think, again, I
won't read too much into the Jaden McDaniels at the
four lineup data, but I also don't believe that you
want that to be Jaden mcdaniels's default role, even though
if you're closing as of right now, that's probably what
you're default into, right because you have Lamello, Edwards, Ioh, McDaniels,
and Goberto. Those are your five best players with Devincenzo injured.
For sure, Yeah, I don't I don't mind McDaniels at
the four also because I this is going to turn
into like a Jade McDaniels kind of thing. But he's
been in the league for six years now, He's had
his ups and downs, just in terms of like the
consistency level, I'm just over it now, Like this season
he has to come out and show us something Like
now he has to come in and be a far
better offensive player.
Speaker 2: He has to be someone who we stop making excuses for,
Oh he played on a position. Oh he was like
third on the offensive hierarchy. Like I don't care anymore.
I just don't care this. This guy is too good.
He has too good of a nose offensively as well
to not use it more. He's got too good of
a jumper not to utilize it more. He's got too
good of an insn to go to the basket not
to utilize it more. Like I can go on and
on and on, so frankly, playm at the three, play
them at the four. I do not care. Just get
him involved and it's it's his time now to step up.
I need more Jade McDaniels on the positive side in
my life instead of the endless frustrations of watching him
play and yelling at the television, do more stuff because
you're good, So need more from him. If that's at
the four, so be it.
Speaker 1: I guess is it set up like it's not when
you say you need more from him? I don't know
that the wolves have ever been set up for him
to We've seen the incremental offensive improvement basically each of
the last three years. I'm with you, he says, I'd
like to see or was he at five three pointers
per one hundred possessions last year? He improved at five
point two. I would like to see that number come up.
Speaker 2: To go up? Yeah, yeah, no, But but the aggressiveness
as well as he had like when he started the
year last year, Like didn't he average eighteen nineteen or
something for like the first three or four weeks of
the season something along those lines, Like he was really good,
and I thought, now is the time for him to realize,
Oh yeah, I have to go in and take the
spot for myself. But he's a six', nine very athletic
and agile wing big AND i know go bears. There
but outside of, that they didn't have a ton of
elite rebounders four rebounds per. GAME i don't Need jade
McDaniels to turn Into Jared jackson. JUNIOR i need him
to come in and use the physical tools and advantages
that he does. Have long, arms, athletic we've seen him
rebound as. Well we've seen it, before like it's a
matter of devoting himself to certain. ELEMENTS i just need
to see him in a larger capacity and then we
can argue all day long whether that capacity needs to
be offense or. EVENTS i just need to see him
be featured at a higher.
Speaker 1: Extent i'll be curious if they have more or less
room for that this year than, last just because you
have No Julius, randall but you still Have edwards and
Then LaMelo And Io, desumu who will be higher usage
on ball. Guys maybe they'll be if they're if you're
gonna start both of, them maybe there's more opportunities For
jade McDaniels with the secondary Lineups i'm STILL i Guess
i'm Just i'm curious to see what the pathway would
be to him actually like seeing him higher, usage BECAUSE
i doubt he's never cracked twenty percent. USAGE i don't think. So, yeah,
no he's not even come. Close last year it was
his closest at eighteen to.
Speaker 2: Five SO.
Speaker 1: I, GUESS i JUST i guess he doesn't frustrate me
as much as he frustrated, you which.
Speaker 2: Is, oh you're so positive.
Speaker 1: Always that's, yeah, yeah mister optimist is what They, yeah.
Exactly so what you're is that your biggest need is
you just want More jaden McDaniels or is it it
is the four spot, though right force bot cup point?
Speaker 2: Guard but, like, well, okay, YEAH i mean Bones highland.
DEPENDS i could in the.
Speaker 1: World you're probably not Starting, io not because he's not starting,
caliber but you would have that coming off the. Bench
BUT i just DON'T i don't know what the what
the alternative path would look like as this rock they
are a team that would have been interesting For Tobias
harris obviously the spurs and more money to give.
Speaker 2: Out but, yeah now that the three guard line up Of,
LaMelo io And EDWARDS i. DON'T i don't consider that,
problematic like because you can throw in bones island in
that and then it should be okay. Ish but like
to your, point they probably could use some depth at that.
Position it's not something that concerns. Me not at this.
STAGE i think the. Four BUT i also think the
four is just so tied to McDaniels and and my
need of to see him just become more of an assertive.
Player SO i think those two go hand in. Hand,
yeah that's.
Speaker 1: Fair and LIKE i, SAID i think that their closing
lineup is going to be that as, Well so maybe
the four isn't as big of a need as painting
it out to. BE i think if you if that's
your if your best five man unit is just those
those five, dudes THEN i think you start to look
at people coming off the bench and, say all, right
well maybe it is between backup point, guard and like the,
four it might look quite frankly unless you really think
That baronjay is just just ready right, now you can
make a case that could be a backup.
Speaker 2: Five, yeah oh, yeah yeah for. Sure like in terms
of the backup, POSITIONS i don't think they're set, yet
but like do we even is there even a center
out there on the market right? Now that MAKES jv?
Speaker 1: SURE i, mean it might help you in the, possession
but what About Nick richards is still floating out. THERE
i LIKE Jv, moore they'd be a Good Micah potter.
Team people might laugh at, that BUT i think that
they like get theospacing element from the five.
Speaker 2: SPOT i see. It Uh target targets here for life
as his brad beel wanted by. Anyone he's a vet
minimum player right.
Speaker 1: NOW i assume The heat have him circled on, something
right they need? It, yep, Yep minnesota does, NOT i would,
say because he's.
Speaker 2: Not he wouldn't be the backup. Guard what is, Up.
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now back to the. Show who's your next?
Speaker 2: Team The Houston? Rockets and so we're talking about needs.
Here CAN i just say the need of symmetry BECAUSE
i don't fully comprehend where this whole team is going
AND i don't get the. Vibe i'm not SURE i
understand the vision. Here bringing In Bogdan bogdanovitch And mark
Is smart indicates, yeah we're going for it. Now resigning
Sorry easton means they're, short like shoring up like the wing.
Depth that's. FINE i JUST i understand that they want to.
WIN i don't see the pathway having improved significantly to doing.
That So i'm just my need is an understanding of
where this thing is. Going WHAT i, LIKE i can
usulically why you don't, understand like what is the all?
Right so they have durand was. Great he's also getting,
older SO i don't think it's fair to continue to
expect him to like stay at that, Level like even
if he just notches down a little, bit that goes
in the opposite. Direction shanguda's out a rim. Protector he's
not necessarily a grace three point shooting. Either Fred nplie
is coming off the Acl Jabari Smith junior finally showed
us a little bit more THAN i. THOUGHT i think
that he's done in recent, years but it didn't he
didn't show at least me enough to Where i'm just
circling him in for a consistent. Role eason we. SAW
i Love Tar, Easton, however like EVEN i can admit
that the shooting, variants this was just ridiculous last, Season
like he came in and what hit like for no
forty percent of his threes for like months and ended
up thirty five percent on the year because he just something.
Happened Aman, thompson again the shooting. CONCERNS i know your
Boy Reed sheppard played a lot, better but he's still
so small so he can be. Exploited So i'm just
trying to, understand, like are they serious about wanting to
win a? Title and if, so is this the? PATHWAY
I that's What i'm confused, about because to, me this
team just screams first round.
Speaker 1: Exit they certainly have that floor just, because as you alluded,
To durant is another year older AND i don't know
how much less dependent on him they're gonna be with
a healthy Van fleet and they do have his bow
Down baldonovic gonna be healthy at. All this was a
team that had its offensive, issues AND i don't think
the only thing they've done to address them in theory
is not trade Than fleet for pure. Defense Marcus smart's
not gonna really to, me isn't gonna come in and
make you a better floor spacing. Team he's not gonna help.
You they were twenty eighth and turnover eight last. Year
you're really relying On fred Van fleet to do a
lot of. That they were nineteenth and half court efficiency last,
year seventeenth and first chance to. Offense that becomes more
problematic if you know how many minutes can you get
From Steven, adams who also finished the year. Injured and
there to your point About, durant their non durant players
were in the sixteenth percentile of catch and shoot three point.
EFFICIENCY i don't think just Having fred Van fleet changes.
There AS i said, before they're spacing, materially and So
i'm probably with, YOU i would have liked to have seen,
Them i'm. NOT i Guess i'm not confused by their
direction because they do seem like they will.
Speaker 2: Be they're still a pretty big.
Speaker 1: Team they should be really good, defensively but they don't
HAVE i don't necessarily understand the offensive theory yet of,
them and that that's certainly. Confusing and by the, way
they've also you Mentioned Reed. Sheppard we joke about how
MARRIED i am to his. Trajectory you now Have Marcus
smart and a Healthy fred Van. Fleet i'm very curious
to see what his spot in the rotation looks like
this upcoming. Season are we gonna see his opportunities WIN
o down a little? Bit and you, know you dig
into some of the numbers and he didn't necessarily uplift
them a ton, offensively but conceptually he's the exact type
of player that they, need or close to. It if
we go into the season and this is another team
where it's they don't even have the other thing. Too
they didn't get more like they have, athletes some athletes
on this, team but they're not getting out in transition
a ton having to rant coming in like that slows
you down even.
Speaker 2: Further or even.
Speaker 1: More excuse, me like is there can you have variants
in that where you play at a faster. TEMPO i
don't know that nothing they've done this. Offseason you can
sit here and, say, oh, yeah they'll definitely do. THAT
i need to see just more effective diversity and how
their offense is run and if they if we don't see,
it or if this is a team where what you,
like what you seem concerned about where it's running in
the deadline and they're like they're sixth or their seventh
or their, eighth you gotta.
Speaker 2: Do something this season that mighty.
Speaker 1: Can't, well we're just gonna let the trade deadline come
to pass and see how it goes from. There nuclear
moves don't tend to happen in the middle of the.
Year but this is certainly a team THAT i don't
think it would take if you had a Healthy bogdanovich
or if you have The bogdanovic what three years ago or.
SOMETHING i feel their. Offense, yeah so it doesn't need
to be another star. Necessarily both you AND i were
against them getting in on the honest, sweepstakes but it
does as of right, now i'd BE i don't know
if i'd predict the first round. EXIT i haven't gone
through like that exercise. Enough this is A i would
there's a wildly imperfect offensive team right. Now, Yep i'm
gonna question from barkstale. Corners what would you guys do
if you were The? Rockets when do you press? Reset? Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow? Eligible but by the, way, actually CAN i ask
you a? Question? Yeah Maybe i'm supposed to.
Speaker 1: Memory have we ever gone this late without even hearing
a whisper of a rookie?
Speaker 2: Extension we've got? None, no that's. True, no not Even july. Tenth,
no it does seem, late right.
Speaker 1: Right Maybe i'm just, misremembering BUT i. Don't, NORMALLY i
feel as if some of them are agreed to right.
Speaker 2: Away it does feel like this is. Late, yes that's
a good, show But i'd LIKE i. DON'T i don't
want to hit the big red reset button, yet BUT i,
look If i'm a team AND i struggled to the
extent THAT i did in the regular season offensively, speaking
AND i go into the off season AND i ONLY
i get my injured player, back my insured point. Guard
but that injury is so substantial and he wasn't efficient
to begin with when he was. Healthy Like i'm not just,
saying oh, cool we're, Fine, LIKE i just think their
their lack of activity has been eye, opening, noteworthy whoever
you want to frame. It, wait so There's. Wenby Did
wemby just sign.
Speaker 1: As an extension as we were recording this or did
we miss it BEFORE i hopped? On like right, Now
wemby Tweeted spurs, Family i'm here.
Speaker 2: To stay whatever it. Takes, Okay, OKAY i don't know.
What i'm not seeing any news of a deal. Though,
no you can probably, imagine right what would you if
he took a pay?
Speaker 1: Cut that's what that tweet was. About that'd Be i'd
be against, it BUT i would.
Speaker 2: Imagine but could you imagine like twenty million years some
sicko just, like.
Speaker 1: Well, no you can, no But i'd Be i'd be
incensed because they went and they saw Did Tobias harris
was their big move then Knowing wemby was gonna be
super cheap for the new three or four. Years, yeah,
no i'd Be i'd be. Incensed that's a really good.
Speaker 2: Point, okay all, Right, Wemby so we got that, one
did we just? Speaking and you're first of All spurs,
fans you're.
Speaker 1: Welcome but second of, all maybe there was unless maybe
we missed it was. There, Oh wemby's gonna want out or,
something which would be a while that we hear breaking.
News victor Wem yama doesn't seem like he's requesting a
trade from The. SPURS i know that's going to shock shock,
everybody and The rockets will probably be wildly. Disappointed but,
YEAH I. Houston their offense of structure still confused.
Speaker 2: Me it's. There they might they could.
Speaker 1: Be you could tell me they win like fifty seven
games and it wouldn't shock. Me AND i would still
sit there and, SAY i don't trust them to win
more than a playoff.
Speaker 2: Series with the way that they're.
Speaker 1: Built like their playoff offense right now feels as if
it would be way too dependent On. Durant you're kind
of banking on internal development from someone or internal, improvement
AND i don't is that Men, thompson does he suddenly
have more range on the offensive. End is?
Speaker 2: It is, It Reed?
Speaker 1: Shepherd is It Albert shangun is just better this. Year
i'm open to some of those developments taking, place but, yeah.
Speaker 2: It needs to be a big improvement for, me for
For shangun at this. Point, LIKE i do think he's
extraordinary at what he, does BUT i think the things
that he doesn't do are becoming a. Problem like just
he's not a good, defender especially in. Space we know
that the like the rebounding is, fine it's not a.
Lead so we're looking at someone who doesn't really necessarily
finish defensive possessions at a great. Rate, Like i'm not
down on him by interest of the. IMAGINATION i was
in fact extremely high on him coming into the draft
in twenty twenty. One but we're now Five. Houston oh
Oh so From Jake? Fisher? Wow how DID i this is?
From is this From Jue? Okay Jake? Fisher?
Speaker 1: Uh there has been word this morning In Las vegas
That Victor mmiehwa's considering signing less than his maximum rookie
scale extension to Provide San antonio with greater.
Speaker 2: Flexibility kidding, ME.
Speaker 1: I that is, uh that's just, like that's the this
is the part of a player's career in which they
should not be Taking how did this.
Speaker 2: Is From july? Tenth?
Speaker 1: At what is something that doesn't make? Sense this is
so bizarre to. Me it's saying six thirty seven, pm
but it's not six thirty seven pm my time On july,
tenth just, Yet so It's I'm i'm very.
Speaker 2: Confused it's. Real i've got The i've actually got the
link to the. STORY i was about to, say make
sure you're not getting. Hoodwinked, Yeah i'm. Not i'm not on.
BOARD i, mean if he does, IT i guess more
power to.
Speaker 1: Him but that's a slippery slope because this would be
the time of a player's career where they shouldn't be
taking a pay cut because they're what they provide on
the court is absolutely going to be worth max. Value
And i'm, Sorry, like how much Does Victor webbeny Like Tobias,
HARRIS i, like if that if you knew wemb was
gonna Take. WEST i have to assume that this isn't
breaking news to The spurs.
Speaker 2: Unless something is uh in the works.
Speaker 1: That is, true that everything could BE. Tvd this IS
i did. NOT i, AM i didn't see this coming.
Yet we're both speaking.
Speaker 2: Into existence that he would get an extension and that
he would take a pay.
Speaker 1: CUT i don't think we spoken into existence because it
look looks like it's been out there AND i just
missed it, somehow which is very strange to.
Speaker 2: Me All, Right, no, look we need to go to
the REAL gm wire chap because like they have everything
And i'm not seeing anything about. This oh, no he's he.
Speaker 1: Tweeted Jay fisher tweeted this eight minutes. Ago, OKAY i
don't feel as.
Speaker 2: Bad that's still.
Speaker 1: SHOCKING i just assumed the conversation, was to, me was
always gonna be did he get the fifty year player?
Up we knew he was gonna thought he was gonna
get the ALL nba Escal but if that's what this,
IS i don't.
Speaker 2: That is still pretty big.
Speaker 1: Sacrifice, actually what if he just signs for The Straight
max with No ALL nba escalator?
Speaker 2: Language how pissed With Jalen durham be at him, like,
bro you have the escalator, language you can use, it
AND i, do but no one wants.
Speaker 1: Me this IS i do think it would set a.
Day this is we're so far afield from The. Rockets
BUT i do think this would set a dangerous or
an uncomfortable precedent for just because you can't get Like
Victor Webbin yama is the best player in the world
maybe right, now and so if he's taking less, money
what are like that's a pretty big negotiator point for
teams in the. Future for you're sitting there forget About
joe And, durham But i'm On thompson right. Now we
know The rockets are going to. Negotiate, that's by the,
way The rockets do.
Speaker 2: This really well from a team. Perspective they negotiate with.
Speaker 1: Everything you look at all the rookie deals right down
To Tara easan's the.
Speaker 2: One they just.
Speaker 1: Signed that's basically the mid level per. Year teams like,
that they're gonna negotiate even harder With. Saya i'm And
thompson wee we didn't even take the ALL nba escalator.
Language we're not gonna give you anything close to the.
Speaker 2: Max it's funny because on A danish pod about a year,
AGO i was talking to a friend about this where
we basically, said at some point a euro dude is
going to come in and just SAY i don't care
about the, money because that is such a mentality over,
here like especially in The EuroLeague, Format like there are
so many guys who just take less to make sure
that everyone gets a big piece of the. Pie and
we're just basically, saying, look so many of These european
players that get over to THE, nba they just say oh,
okay like they don't know about the salary cab like
they take the contract that's being offered and because the agent, says,
yeah do. It but for the few ones that, understand,
NO i can actually help my. Team i'm just not
surprised it had to happen, Eventually like we were sitting
there talking about we actually thought it'd Be. Luca so,
yeah this is the thing.
Speaker 1: Apparently parksdale corner of the comment says that My San
antonio is reporting it'll be the largest contract In spurs,
history and The escalator language will be.
Speaker 2: A part of.
Speaker 1: It even if The escalator language isn't a part of,
IT i would, argue, so what is this projected to?
Speaker 2: Be five?
Speaker 1: Years this is the like the twenty five percent max
be five, years two hundred and fifty plus, million that's
gonna be the biggest contract In spurs history as, WELL
i would sure Argue i'm really fascinated to see how
THAT i did not have this on My bengo. CARD
i thought maybe would he get a player? Option and
you're follow it was like my big.
Speaker 2: Question and once, again, sir our program is being interrupted
by breaking. News love.
Speaker 1: It so this is the time we found the magic
spot where if you guys WANT nba slop we need
to record.
Speaker 2: It, wait what time is it In? Denmark so eight
Pm denmark? Time two? Pm, yeah almost time.
Speaker 1: Time, WOW i DID i at least The kawhi, stuff
knowing the background of it. Was it was, shocking but
it was also, okay this is JUST i did not
have this on My bengo.
Speaker 2: Card AS i, said, no let's move let's move on.
Speaker 1: Though i'm gonna. Go i'm gonna go a little bit
off the beaten path. Here it's The Memphis grizzlies more
AND i can talk about some maybe prototypes that they,
need but WHAT i think they really need is roster.
Space they have twenty players under contract right, now not
a problem for the, offseason but you're gonna have to
trim that down to fifteen. EVENTUALLY i don't know how.
THAT i, MEAN kcp feels like the low hanging. Fruit
they'll negotiate a buy out with. HIM i assume after
that it's you could just talk yourself.
Speaker 2: Into, it not necessarily everyone on the.
Speaker 1: Roster but they're not gonna just Wave Jeremy grant as an,
example right and sos who ends up being they odd
man out? Here we Know Cam, Boozer Cedric, Coward Zach,
EDY Jn. Wells that's kind of just the. Core they
just Got Kareem. Lopez they Signed Quinton, posts so he's
not going?
Speaker 2: Anywhere is?
Speaker 1: This do they get rid Of Chris? Murray that would
be a NAME Aj. JOHNSON i guess those guys feel.
Expendable d low is.
Speaker 2: Expectable is pretty safe bed AND i misspoke.
Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i made it seem like he was going back
to The. MAVERICKS i just found it funny that him
And Chris middleton were involved in the same trade. Again
SO i guess you can get to expendable players pretty.
Quickly my question would, be how are you getting rid of?
Them are there other are you including seconds for someone
to take on D? Lo does someone just take On
Chris murray for. Free uh if you're looking AT i,
MEAN cacp has to be a. Buyout no one's taking
on that money unless you're taking someone, out like taking
back worse Like Christian brown as an.
Speaker 2: Example.
Speaker 1: Maybe So i'm very curiously how they create the necessary roster.
SPACE i will, say even though they Have Cam boozer
as well As Scottie Pippen Junior Cam, Spencer Ty, jerome
And Walter clayton to, Evaluate i'm not sure this team
has like a a level passer on it at the, moment,
Agree and so that would be something if they were,
all we want to go out and fill this need
or get a higher end flyer here to evaluate against the,
future maybe it would be.
Speaker 2: That but they just have a lot of guys on
this team right. Now literally they have too many. Guys,
YEAH i mean this might actually be an interesting destination
for players on very large contracts that the teams that
sign them to him are like. Hesitant i'm not going
to say necessarily Darn fox Because memphis would also have
to like take on that, deal, right but, like if
they're struggling to get off, guys they need to consolidate
to a certain, extent that could be something, like we
just have to identify the teams that don't have a
lot of players on their roster.
Speaker 1: Currently yeah that or just like have these needs that
could be filled by one Of memphis's, RIGHT i JUST
i wonder they just have so many guys and like
who is like who is off limits on this? Team Cam,
Boozer Cedria, Coward Zach edy is definitely off. Limits Jalen
wells is probably off.
Speaker 2: Limits should he?
Speaker 1: BE i mean should HE i doubt he's like on
the most, Untouchable BUT i would Say Cedria, Coward Cam,
boozer And Zach edy are most likely the guys they
view is?
Speaker 2: There, yeah, CORPS i agree with. THAT i think that's
a fair.
Speaker 1: Assumption IF i had to, Guess i'm gonna just take
a stab at the. Five how they get to the
five roster? SPOTS i think D LO KCP A. J.
Johnson that's. Three, Uh i'm gonna Throw Chris murray in,
there and Then i'm gonna SAY i need one. MORE
i don't think this is gonna mean maybe it's like
one of the cheaper, guys like A mayshak Or Javon.
SMALL i don't know who the fifth player is gonna be.
Speaker 2: More, YEAH i. CAN'T i can't pick. IT i don't.
KNOW i don't have a good fifth player. Here did
you Say olivia Max mexican's Prosper, NO i.
Speaker 1: DIDN'T i felt like he had some good minutes for.
Them but that would be the.
Speaker 2: Do you have like? That? Yeah BUT i mean it was, LIKE.
Speaker 1: I feel like what a, team the team would give
you something For Gigi? Jackson, right maybe it would be,
him like just to capitalize that. Value what happened, There,
well he got injured the two years ago and that
seemed to throw throw them.
Speaker 2: Off, yeah, yeah that's their. Need they need roster, SPACE
i think.
Speaker 1: It i'm just curious how they end up creating that
roster space because of who you think is? Leaving is
it are we is it more trades or are they just
buying out guys because there are.
Speaker 2: On a more of a gradual.
Speaker 1: Timeline but that AND i wouldn't mind seeing some higher
end passing in. There who do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: Next, oh let's go to The. Lakers, okay what's the biggest?
Need that's a really good. Question we can talk about
defense all day, long which we probably, should but, yeah
should we have do we have to go back to
like the? Wing well, AGAIN i think we, do Because.
Speaker 1: Jonathan kaminga doesn't feel that to, You i'm on the.
ANSWER i like, him.
Speaker 2: But, no, no not. Really AND i don't like the
idea of going With Jared vanderbilt at the three for
long stretches. Either that doesn't sound like. Fun dulton connects not,
Really SO i think a real three could be interesting,
there especially someone who's more two way. Inclined i'm Guessing
Quinn rives is going to play there a. Lot i'm
Guessing Jake, Larabia Cameron, CARR i, guess but it just
all seems so uninspiring at that. Position like, OVERALL i
actually think The lakers did well in free agency and
in the summer at. LARGE i do, KNOW i know
they gave up everything For.
Speaker 1: Walker well it's not even, THAT i, mean it is
THAT i Don't The Walker kessler contract to me is ultimately.
Fine giving up control for first round picks to to
outright two swaps.
Speaker 2: Is a big.
Speaker 1: Deal BUT i look at what some of all these
other teams negotiated team options on their, deals or you
saw where And Anfrey simons went For but you were
like but you spent what you did On Colin.
Speaker 2: SEXTON i Thought MoMu was a.
Speaker 1: Slight overpay for what this roster, needed unless you trust
him to log a lot of backup five, minutes Which.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you.
Speaker 1: Do if you just Shipped DeAndre ayton off To, WASHINGTON
i think you. SO i really don't think that they had.
THAT i wasn't thrilled with their process over the. OFFSEASON
i think the, talent for the most, part can compliment one.
Another i'm going to be even more. Confused there's the
report that they're willing to give up the twenty thirty
two swap to facilitate a sign and trade that would
Use Jared vanderbilt to Get Jonathan. Kaminga and so it's all,
right you get off the two guaranteed years Of Jared,
vanderbilt but it costs you a twenty thirty two. Swap
how high are we On Jonathan kaminga in an offense
that already Has luca And, reeves, who, yes make life
easier on, Everybody BUT i think you need someone who
wants their life to be made. Easier And i've Just
Jonathan diminga has never felt like that type of a
complimentary player to, me.
Speaker 2: Right, no he's someone you need to build, around or
at least playing, around to make sure that he's. Optimized you're,
RIGHT i don't disagree with. THAT i will, say, though
The Kaminka luca, Connection i'm not out on. IT i
could see a pathway for that to.
Speaker 1: Work sure is it worth a twenty thirty two swap
your last like enticing great?
Speaker 2: Ship you know?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i think it. IS i like him and,
GUY i like it more than you than you, do
and that's. FAIR i understand why you're low on him
BECAUSE i see the issues. TOO i, Do but he's so.
Young he only spent half a year with that In,
atlanta after getting just out of that situation In Golden.
STATE i think he needs to find somewhere to, land
like mentally. Land and if that's The, lakers all, Right,
YEAH i. DON'T i just.
Speaker 1: DON'T i haven't seen enough from him to make me
think that he would be okay being the third wheel
in the offense then defending hard enough to justify playing
him at the, three LIKE i, mean he could play
plenty of. Four there is the shooting good enough in that,
spot BUT i think you hit it on the now
with uh berserk, monk my bed, guys My, toddler grab my.
Phone i'm okay the chap berserk. Monk, yeah that's. Great
could they make the money work FOR. Kcp this is
From joyanne sw maybe move some pieces for him And?
JACKSON i actually have SO i have a list of
targets here for The. Lakers Gig jackson is on that
list for. Me so they could certainly make the money
work for him because he's so. CHEAP kcp would be.
Tougher you would Need memphis already has too many, bodies
but you. Would it would need to Be, Laavia Jared
vanderbilt and, yeah it would have to be a three
for ONE i think to get you, There and so
then another team probably needs to come, involved SO i
Don't Maybe memphis is willing to do that like a
twenty thirty, two BUT i don't WANT kcp for my
twenty thirty. Two i'd rather go up on twenty thirty,
two swap FOR h For Jonathan aminga THAN. KCP ksep
could be a nice buyout target out for.
Speaker 2: Them he would fit into that makeup of that team for. Sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah and by the, WAY i like The grime signing
the contract, is you, know four years for SIXTY i
think is, fine and he replaces functionally a lot of
What Marcus smart could do. Defensively neither one of them
are going to defend like a ton of, wings though if,
Anything grimes probably at least relative to last, Season grimes
did that more. Often BUT i think they need to
go get somebody who's capable of doing that and won't
torpedo the, offense or they're capable of doing. That maybe
they do torpedo the, offense but they're just so good on.
Defense NAMES i have listed here Justin, Champenni Ryan dunn
fly around him.
Speaker 2: Maybe oh that'd be. Fun, yeah do they have Any
do they have enough to get Herb?
Speaker 1: Jones probably not right, contractually so it's like the contract
they could match pretty. Easily, yeah, yeah but, ASSETS i don't,
Know like it would be the twenty thirty two swap
And Brandon.
Speaker 2: Carr negotiating With Joe dumars and his.
Speaker 1: Team would you do forget that this doesn't probably save
The nuggets enough, money but you're involving other? Teams would
you Do van Do, Oh Jake laavia And Jaden hardy
For Christian.
Speaker 2: Brown, YEAH i THINK i. WOULD i THINK i would
because we saw a bad year From Christian brown last,
season but the year, BEFORE i, mean he was ridiculously.
FISHING i thought he had such a good understanding of shot,
selection time and, Score like there's a real he didn't
walk into fifty eight percent from the. Field it. Was
he was very calculative in terms of like how he
scored when he started, driving like when he initiated certain.
Things and he just lost that this past season for
reasons that are completely unknown to. ME i don't think
it's injury. Related only something happened And i'm just not
ready to write them off after one bad, year.
Speaker 1: Which is WHY i wonder if The nuggets that, type
let's say that you were even able to reroute two
of those. SALARIES i wonder if The nuggets even, that
are they at the point where they just want to
get rid of? HIM i, mean his to his two
point percentage was in the gutter Without yokas last, year
it dropped by thirty three points When jokic was off the.
Speaker 2: Floor.
Speaker 1: Insane, Yeah Isaaca korro would be another. One could you
get The bulls to take On? Vanderbilt you probably want
someone who could defend up a little bit more than A,
koro but he'd be nifty.
Speaker 2: Here but those are the Guys i've.
Speaker 1: Listed hark w Hot hogs says or who Goes, hark who?
Goes excuse? Me The lakers are a forty five win.
Team i'm not even that low on. Them if They're
if they win that, AMOUNT i assume That Austin reeves
end Or luca has missed a bunch of.
Speaker 2: Time yeah, Again, uh it's on.
Speaker 1: Me, yeah you picked The, lakers so it would be my.
Turn where do a high want to go?
Speaker 2: To now.
Speaker 1: Let's go To, Okay, See i'm not gonna say they
need to get out of the second, apron because guess what,
more they have the, ability they have the option not
getting out of the second.
Speaker 2: Apron they need like a shooter with.
Speaker 1: Size they there and they'll be good defensively, regardless they'll be.
Great they could do nothing and they might just win the.
Title so this is not to say THAT i think
it's a fatal, flaw but they just don't have that
like combo wing sized. Shooter and from a volume, Perspective
chet's just not If, yeah he's playing a bunch of.
Speaker 2: FOUR i get.
Speaker 1: That so that's why that's part of why you can
your roster can be. Built the way it is is
you just have these two giants And hartenstein And, chet
and Then Jay will could play with either of, them
and now you have a DeMar to bake in. There
But chet at under six threes per one hundred possessions
is just not cutting. It and SO i think they
need A they don't the salary structure to make this,
work but like they need Their Cam johnson or even
they need Their Sam. Hauser to, me it can be
someone who's not like what If Isaiah joe was just
a few inches taller than twenty pounds heavier or. Something
they need someone to me along those.
Speaker 2: Lines, YEAH i very much. Agree shooting is the one
thing that sticks. Out you said shooting with. SIZE i
don't disagree with. THAT i would EVEN i would even
be fine with shooting without. Size you're just the floor
spacers at this, point like, YOU i do not trust
them as a three point shooting team at this. Point
at this, STAGE i think they were too financially motivated this.
SUMMER i don't trust Lou dort as a. Shooter why
WOULD I. Nicoltachopitch even if he's gonna, play he was
never built as a long range. Shooter thomas soorbers like
mostly an interior guy Like jared McCain is the guy
who has to come in and say all of The
Isaiah joe minutes and like absorbing his own for that,
matter and just say all, Right i'm gunning. This i'm
absolutely gunning. This i'm, Good i'm playing twenty minutes and
He's jack ten. Three. YEAH i mean he has.
Speaker 1: That he does like to get into the in between,
stuff of, course but he.
Speaker 2: Does he's the closest.
Speaker 1: On this team to having that in him now That
Isaiah joe and Even Aaron wiggins are, gone as well
as Something Aaron wiggins could at least in, theory do
uh Berserk monk, says why don't The thunder just pet
overpay For Trey. Murphy it's a good question that they
were really going for. It it would be they have the
salaries to make the math. Work BUT i don't think.
YOU i think they want to get out of the.
Set this is the PROBLEM i run into with them
IS i would still be very shocked if they don't
get out of the second apron and so it's tough
to build scenarios where they would get A Trey murphy
and then they're actually shedding money, overall like before the
end of the, year joy anew, says If mara is
good right, away do you think about Moving hartenstein at
the deadline for a Wing, ooh, yes, YES i guess.
Yes but after he signed, THAT i thought it was
going to take them a fourth year to lock him.
Down if he was taking a pay, CUT i, WONDER
i wonder how that would fly behind the, scenes or
maybe the market just wasn't there for. Him but If
Walker kessler got four for one, thirty you would think
that there might have been even a sign in trade
market For Isaiah hartenstein in.
Speaker 2: The neighborhood of. That, yeah but.
Speaker 1: Yet that would Be, Hartnerstein Like hartnerstein For Trey murphy
is like a, structure and then you include picks To New.
Speaker 2: Orleans that's not. Bad that'd be. INTERESTING i, mean of,
course do you trust that gap being left By? Hartenstein
do you trust that to go to Chet holkren in the?
Playoffs because, WELL.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the, Question like joy, ansaying If mara
is good right, away but, yeah you would have to
do you trust him in the playoffs as.
Speaker 2: Well that's.
Speaker 1: It hartstein's probably for a team that Has, Chet And
i'm not this isn't meant to be perjoradive To chet.
NECESSARILY i think The pendulums one way too far after
the way the playoffs ended to. Me but Like hartsta
is probably too important to this team for as much
down as they have on, it if you really start
to think about.
Speaker 2: It, YEP i agree he. IS I, look if they
don't have the, shooting the defense is going to be extra,
important Right. Like that's that you have to weigh and
balance things, out and if you're lacking in one, department
you need to be damn sure your lead in. Another.
YEAH i, look, OVERALL i don't think the thunder are
standing as strong as they were last year because of
the shooting issues right. NOW i am frankly not that
in love with their roster right, now not compared to
last year at least Yet, still obviously they could have
a cake walk towards the. Finals everything like failed right
but or fell. Right but, NO i think they have
a legitimate need, here legit need for. Shooting, YEAH i
would say it's a legit.
Speaker 1: NEED i think they would probably be less inclined to
feel that way, though because they could just, say, well
we're gonna Have Jalen williams this year mostly A j
Dow and.
Speaker 2: So that's the think about they were so.
Speaker 1: Banged he was banged up by The, like you're dealing
with that all year through the playoffs and you still
made it To game seven against The wemby Led. Spurs
i'm still waiting for That wemby pay cut to come
through and keep checking my.
Speaker 2: Phone, yeah same where we. Go we are going To,
utah and my big question here is the center. POSITION
i don't know if it's IT'S i would need per,
se but, LIKE i just need to know who's gonna
rebound the fucking. POLL i need to know who will
finish defensive. Possessions SO i want to get this out
of the way Because i'm harsh On Jared Jackson. JUNIOR
i do think he's a great. DEFENDER i do think
he is such an acid on that end of the.
Floor but you, can and we've seen him do this
multiple times during his career In, memphis where he will
play great defense forty to twenty four seconds and then
when the ball's up, there we go relinquish the, rebound
and that just negates the level of defensive activity that
we've seen from. Him SO i just want them to
be sure that they have someone who they can put
alongside him to, say all, right this dude is just
going to go grab that goddamn ball after you have
played terrific defense for a full shot. Clock and is
that use Of nurkic, Maybe LIKE i don't know what
they're planning to, do is jaring the four lord the
three and use Of nurkic like in theory the starting five?
MAN i probably, Not but LIKE, I i just need
to know that they have a plan to finish defensive.
POSSESSIONS i think that's a need right.
Speaker 1: NOW i think the center, spot you could argue is
just a need in. General is that if you just
want someone better Than nurkic Or. Hayes i'm at your. Concerned,
though even if you're gonna Start, nurkic who does give
you a presence on the defensive, Class like you, SAID
i would assume you're not closing many games with any
one other Than TRIPLE j at the, Five and so
that's where it comes. In even if You're i'm fine
With larry marketing when it comes to, rebounding but from
there it's are you getting it from the? Wings is
that it Is Ace, Bailey, Keyante George Darren peterson leveling
you up. There they have the their salary structure right
now with the trade, deadline When nurkic himself could be,
traded they they might have some opportunities open. Up, otherwise
right now they're kind of trafficking. In it would have
to be like middle rung, options but they could go
out and be a right like right this. Second A
Musa diabat suitor is a name that we've, mentioned a
ton As charlotte willing to pay, him could you GET
i guess rebounding, Though Like i'm sure we Mentioned. Hartenstein
that'd be a Good hartenstein team, midseason but they're already
getting super expensive on the front. Line Would Jay will
do enough of that for you if The thunder are
looking to cut money that?
Speaker 3: Way?
Speaker 2: Yeah SO i, YEAH i.
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't know what the center target for them would,
be just because they'd be in a weird salary structure with,
it and you can find. Bigs but then you have to, ask,
oh do they do enough of the rebounding stuff that
mort is outlining at this. MOMENT i also another NEED
i had for them was do they have enough like
on ball perimeter defense here when you start to go
through their their, ROSTER i, think as of right, now
there's a lot on the shoulders of A Darren peterson
and Or Ace. Bailey and that's, again both of those
two could turn out to be just like long, TERM
i don't have like huge questions about them, defensively but
when you're, like right, now it's who's your most important
perimeter defender or non big, defender is? It is it
like it could Be Cody williams might be the answer
for all we.
Speaker 2: Know always getting back To Cody, williams your former number?
One was it your top top pick back?
Speaker 1: THEN i think he was number one or two on
my big board because that was The Reed shepherd, draft wasn't.
It SO i might have bumped Down Cody williams to
two at that, POINT.
Speaker 2: I might have had Read shepherd number. Two i'd have
to go back and. Check and they, do they.
Speaker 1: Do they did Sign Josha, kogi so that helps a little.
Bit but and what you get into with this team,
now which is very interesting to say about a squad
that yes they were, tanking so it was by, Design
but you don't really say this about a team that
isn't coming off a really good. Season the bar to
crack one of their core units is incredibly.
Speaker 2: High.
Speaker 1: Now it's not as high as when they Had Walker,
kessler of, course but it's like in a in a core,
lineup four of the spots could just be gone right,
now or they are gone with Keyante George Darren, Peterson Jared, Jackson,
Junior larry Market in and so to be that like
the fifth guy might just Be Ace. Bailey and so
whatever improvement you're, making you're making it, knowing, well is
this player gonna close games for? Us and if the answers,
no how much are you willing to give up to
go to go get? Him which is Why Joshua kogie
signing and bringing Back, nurkic you, know to like talk
about both of the needs that we. Outlined that's why
it might make sense in their, minds because why are
you gonna go out there and expend that Like Max
christy would be that it was a trade TARGET i
had for this team would have been, interesting but what
he closed for them would be because if he's, Not
Thence bailey's. Not if he's, closing Then Ace bailey's not,
closing Or Darren peterson's not. Closing, yeah uh, utah was
you excuse? Me So i'm gonna, Go, yes it is
up to.
Speaker 2: Me. Uh feeling the pressure here right. Now let's go To.
Phoenix LET'S.
Speaker 1: I don't like this team as as much AS i
LIKE i didn't like them going into last, season and
they proved me. Wrong so there's that they were, fun,
scrappy the offensive, rebounding the defensive. EFFORT I, Miles miles,
bridges if you can give up a twenty thirty three
unprotected first round pick for someone with who pleaded no
contests to three felony domestic violence charges and what was
that twenty?
Speaker 2: Two, yeah when you have the opportunity that you definitely
have to do.
Speaker 1: It but even moving on and a terrible, segue but
moving on from the morality of it, ALL i don't
know how much he actively upgrades the basketball team in
a talent in a talent, vacuum maybe going From Grayson
allen And roy O'Neil to, Him but you lost a
lot of floor. Spacing in that, trade you maybe gained
or you did gain some rim, pressure but now you're
losing a ton of off ball option. Out like just
look at the guys on this roster that would now
prefer to operate with the ball in their. Hands Devin,
booker WHO i, have no he'll be a, Passer like
if he has to be a playmaker, first he'll do.
It So i'm not concerned About Devin. Booker but you
do Have Devin, booker you Have Jalen, green you Have Dylan,
brooks and now you Have Miles bridges and so it's
just it's it's. Weird and so bring In. Lukenard that'll
help with some of the force basing a little. Bit
but there's also aside From Devin, booker like your playmakers
are him And Colin, gillespie and then it's Like, ozoegadaro
who's we're not sure how much he's gonna. Play you
could also make the case, that, Well Miles bridges might
be an upgrade at the four. Spot this team doesn't
have enough size to materially improve upon its defensive. REBOUNDING
i guess If Mark williams is healthy and common malawatch
makes a. Jump you could say, differently there are problems
up and down the. ROSTER i think IF i had
to settle on, One i'm gonna say like off ball,
offense just to incorporate the, shooting but also basically everything
that doesn't include offensive. REBOUNDING i think you could look
at and, wonder, oh is this team's attack gonna.
Speaker 2: Like seriously drop?
Speaker 1: Off so, yeah IT'S i don't know when you look
at the makeup right, NOW i don't trust That Miles
bridge is going to slide in and be ultra. COMPLIMENTARY
i don't trust that With Dylan, brooks as important as
he is to this. Team now you're getting into the
realm of, like have we really Need jail And green
to be super plug and play and more? Efficient so
they still do have some gritty defenders on the. Team
when you're Like Jordan, Goodwin i'm excited to. See although the,
plan as far as we, knew was to give her
sheer fleming more, minutes that gets harder With Miles bridges
in the.
Speaker 2: Building it does questions up and down with the.
Speaker 1: Offense it's tough for me to just settle on like
playmaking or. Shooting i'm gonna just say off ball offense
in general to incorporate the, shooting but even some of
the movement, stuff or maybe it's just the offensive optionality in.
GENERAL i don't know if this team has enough of
it right.
Speaker 2: Now and for, me one of the biggest things here
is also a devotion to young. Players Mala watch was
at top ten pick last. Year he did not play
a lot of. Games he did not play a lot of.
MINUTES i thought they did not take his development serious
and what in year? One so if you want to
know what's, THERE i do think this year that needs
to change BECAUSE i and generally, SPEAKING i think that
has been an issue for For phoenix occasionally just not
giving their guys enough time to actually make a genuine
decision on, Him like what was? It was? It who
was it that they declined the third was it the
third or fourth year? Option? Well on was That Jalen?
Smith like they declined an option and then he turned
into like a perfectly REASONABLE nba, Player like it's JUST
i don't think they give their young guys enough, leash
AND i could just be so afraid that the same
is going to happen With. Malowatch so a need for
me is stay the, course like invest develop do something
if you if you have a top ten pick At george,
disposal don't waste.
Speaker 1: It oh that that bleeds into another need for them
is they could probably they could use a twenty thirty
three first round.
Speaker 2: Pick that'd be something that they could. Use, yeah that's a,
need that's a neat.
Speaker 1: Uh andy cru says in the, Chat Miles bridges is
absolutely a down.
Speaker 2: Upgrade what are we?
Speaker 1: Doing hot take suns will be better than The timberwolves this.
Year underrated part Of Miles bridges was he was able
to get his even when he was the fourth option
behind three shoot first players like Ball con And miller
average seventeen six and three as the fourth, OPTION i, Mean.
Pumpkin The hornets were worse on both ends of the
floor last year With miles Turn, so by the, WAY
i don't know That Miles, bridges excuse, me Not Miles.
TURNER i don't know, That, like how much did you
upgrade your defense really here with this?
Speaker 2: Trade Because i've seen a.
Speaker 1: Lot of that was part of the reasoning behind, it
AND i just Don't i've said this a. Bunch when
you Watch Miles, bridges even when he's dropping. Twenty it's
never on hyper. Efficiency he's in the fiftieth percentile of
points per shot attempt last.
Speaker 2: Year he's not an exceptional.
Speaker 1: Passer he's was in The he was also the fiftieth
percentile of assist to usage ratio last. Year he's never
really ranked higher than around the. Sixty he's never been
in the seventieth percentile of. That to, me he just
he might give, you.
Speaker 2: Like raise your.
Speaker 1: Floor in certain, instances BUT i don't know that He to,
me he doesn't augment their. DEFENSE i don't know that
he significantly augments their. Offense he is the from a basketball,
perspective he is probably the better singular talent Than Grayson.
Allen but just the, space like the gravity That Grayson allen,
Has i'm not Even i'm not even prepared to say
that at this, moment he is one of THE i
think he's one of the biggest empty calorie guys in the.
Speaker 2: League and, see there we. Go that's because whoever wrote that,
set he still gets His, yes that's the kind of the,
problem because that's not how you need to look at.
It that that is the wrong way to gauge. Basketball
if you have teammates in front of you that are
significantly better Which Miles bridges. Did your role and your,
Responsibility god damn it as a basketball, player especially at this,
level is to incorporate yourself into a manner where you
weave yourself into the fabric of the offense instead of
going in with the mindset Of i'm gonna get. Mine
that's What Miles bridges did for a long. Time that's
part of the. Issue him getting his is actually a
part of the. Problem Jalen, green another guy on this,
Team it occasionally still struggles with that understanding what does
that might team need for me? Now like the, truest
greatest basketball players on earth always understood when it was
time to, sacrifice when it was time to step. Aside
like Even michael Effing jordan like would realize When Scotty
pippen had it going and, say all, right Like i'm
going to scale back a little. BIT i can feel
That scotty is going through something special right. Now i'm
gonna make sure THAT i can enhance that by giving
him the ball and being a thread off the. Ball
Like it's just it's not about getting, Yours it's about
weaving yourself into the frabtriacal for team organization and become
the quality teammate and actually do what you need to
do in order to enhance everyone. Else Miles bridges does
the exact. Opposite, YEAH i hated.
Speaker 1: THAT i mean just even removing what they gave up for.
Him i'm just curious to see how much better he
makes their team of it.
Speaker 2: All AND i don't the other part of that.
Speaker 1: Too this doesn't get into their, needes but it's what
is That they're gonna sign him to an?
Speaker 2: Extension?
Speaker 1: Right, otherwise WHILE i give up a twenty thirty three
first round pick for, him AND i know they got
a twenty twenty nine first, back but it's the less
favorable of what is? It that's The, Utah Minnesota cleveland,
Right so that's gonna be in the twenties at that.
Speaker 2: Point this TEAM i would have.
Speaker 1: PREFERRED i thought they were too high on their own
supply based off some of the things that were being
said after this past.
Speaker 2: Season i'm Not we're just. Preferred they stood pat same.
Same is it my? Turn?
Speaker 1: Yes what are we hit so Any chris saying we're
saying a lot of the same. Things when The rockets
traded for traded AWAY, KD. Kd book And beale not
the same as book and role. PLAYERS i DON'T i
don't understand what the point is. Here, yeah pick your
next team, more.
Speaker 2: All, Right obviously we have to go to The Sacramento
kings because their needs are vast. MANY i DON'T i
don't even want to key in on. Something they just.
Have they have need. Everywhere, uh this is an organization
that that probably just needs to start. Over, Frankly so
take your, pick, Sir like where do we even feel? Comfortable?
LOOK i love The Darius acoff, selection but even, him
like he's got a need need to be able to play,
defense because that's not something he does a whole. Bunch,
like there's not a single player on this team Where i'm,
like oh, yeah nailed it at this, point even though
again Love, acuff just, no just needs. Everywhere there's not
a POSITION i feel comfortable. With there's not a skill
SET i feel comfortable. With there's not a a spot
on the floor WHERE i just, go oh, yeah yeah
they got this, covered like from the three point line or.
Whatever Like, no this JUST i do not trust this
team as far AS i can throw. It and that's
because they have needs up the, Wazoo so just take
your pick in terms of like what you Think dan
is like the most pressing. One i'm just gonna go
all over on this.
Speaker 1: One, yeah you're, right like a single identifiable. Need WHEN
i was thinking about, that my notes are kind of
all over the. Place could you, like what is the
overarching philosophy of this? Roster or even because you could
say chartered, exist what did you say to?
Speaker 2: Exist that's just a philosophy because there's no lotchi. Here
there's no. Philosophy there's absolutely nothing going on on this.
Roster it's just cashing, checks getting up, shots going. Home
this is the most ridiculous roster construction in THE nba.
Speaker 1: Currently, yeah, LOOK i still Like Keegan murray and you
did just draft a, cuff SO i think you could
point to and say you can't guarantee their. Pillars but then,
LIKE i STILL i really liked An Ee clifford coming
into his rookie.
Speaker 2: Season was a little bit.
Speaker 1: Disappointed mean they found like getting what they did out
Of Dylan cardwell Or Maxim reno last.
Speaker 2: Year those were nice vines for.
Speaker 1: Them but you are, right there's the only shot they
have at a higher end.
Speaker 2: Long term cornerstone right.
Speaker 1: Now as much AS i still believe a health And
Keegan murray can kill, it it is a. Cuff AND
i DON'T i wasn't big on him Or flemings necessarily
coming out of the. Draft AND i know a lot
of people they're already getting on me about My flemings take.
There so we'll see how pans. Out i'm assuming he'll
at least have a. Cuff i'm talking about a ton
of license on this, team but they are Pretty Zach lvine's,
Here Malague monk is, here at least A Martin rosen has.
Speaker 2: Gone there's this team is they're the.
Speaker 1: QUINTESSENTIAL i wish that we were doing this a little
later on because there has to be like more stuff
to come. From if it's just, oh we're gonna wave
To Martin rose and then we're gonna stretch that salary
and that's the big move of the summer would be wildly.
Speaker 2: Disappointing, here, Agreed do we even have more to? Say
can we? Skip can't skip? Them that'd be. Rude let's go,
too but, yeah we can make. It mon let's go
To let's go To.
Speaker 1: Denver, yeah all, Right So they're interesting because at the
end of the, Season Ben tenzer And John wallace had
come out and, SAID i believe that they need, defense,
athleticism and ball. Handling they have since Added Trayvon brazil
the number thirty five, Pick Bryce hopkins the number forty nine,
pick Resigned Tyas, jones and then Signed Marvin beckley the
Third i'm not sure which of those needs were addressed
with any of those those. MOVES i Think brazil in, theory,
okay there's athleticism and maybe some stretch or some defense
if he's blocking. SHOTS a lot of this hinges on
what's gonna happen With Peyton.
Speaker 2: Watson so what do they?
Speaker 1: Need they need a resolution to The Peyton watson, situation
but beyond, that it's.
Speaker 2: What else do they?
Speaker 1: Like you, look what is the bigger, need the biggest
the single when you're BECAUSE i was going back and forth,
between you.
Speaker 2: Could say it's.
Speaker 1: Defense but if you look at their core, lineups especially
if we Assume Peyton watson is, back they should be
able to game it. CORRECTLY i found myself gravitating towards ball.
HANDLING i thought about shooting because they Lost Tim hardaway.
Junior it's ultimately not shooting BECAUSE i think That Nicole
jokich will just give you And Jamal murray by virtue
of having them. Both that's a top three, offense is
basically your four at this?
Speaker 2: Point so is? It is it?
Speaker 1: Athleticism but is that a weird thing to say When
Peyton watson might be back and you still Have christian one?
Speaker 2: Guy that's one. Guy, FRANKLY i think this is the
team that should complete a deal With memphis Because, memphis
as we, saw like twenty players on the contract, currently
like they Need i'll take the over on, that just, kidding,
no but like It's Cam, johnson, right like twenty three.
Million can you go To memphis and, say, look you
get an Expiring Cam johnson at twenty three, million will
solve your roster? Crunch just give us? Debt is that a?
Thing what do you want from?
Speaker 1: Me because you're you're making YOUR i Think Cam johnson
is really important to this, team especially.
Speaker 2: Have, disagree but like then, okay Then Christian, brown but
like then you're gonna have to commensate them because you're
you're asking them to take on future.
Speaker 1: Money, Man that is so SO i get, well SO
i would need to see like what are you Propose
Cam johnson?
Speaker 2: For? Who? Yeah, right so let's let's. See let's see could.
Speaker 1: You Get Cam? Spencer and like Is Jalen? Wells that's the,
prices that's not enough to get, Well so you.
Speaker 2: Have twenty three if you want to like you're going
into a candy shopping you have twenty three millions to
burn basically here and you need to align that so
like you're not gonna get Sack ey set a coward
with some of those, Guys Chris murray you can probably get,
right you should be bloody want. WELL i, mean why
would YOU i guess to save? Money, Sure i'm, look
this is a way to get some depth onto the.
Roster and because what can they do they they're so.
Expensive they have Like jokic And murray earning fifty. Plus
then you Have Aaron gordon checking in at fordy, plus
you Have Cam johnson at twenty, three you Have Christian
brown at twenty. One If i'm research and oh, yeah
you've got to Resign Peyton watson. Too so like at
some point something's got to, Give like if there's if
there is a package to be, found it has to
be with a team that is just completely overstocked with
players on, contract unmovable contracts like, now THOUGH i do
Think Chris. Murky can he even be aggregated right? Now?
Speaker 1: No, Right memphis did not acquire him with cap, space
so probably not unless THEY i, mean he could be
before the. Season he could be aggregated, Again so.
Speaker 2: That's, okay, okay all, right fair? Enough but so would you.
Speaker 1: Do something that Is memphis doing because this doesn't solve
their bodies.
Speaker 2: Problem if, anything it might make it.
Speaker 1: Worse but are you Doing Cam Johnson Christian brown and
then getting off The zekenology deal and in exchange you
Get Cam spencer AND? Kcp maybe Can Gigi jackson come
back in that? Deal do you need to include your
swap if You're? Denver is this my asking? Too much
of it depends ON i have no idea What Christian
brown's tree value would, be, Right, no that's that's, tough
AND i do assume it's low though OTHERWISE i feel
as if he wouldn't be on the team right. Now
REALLY i, Agree but like, That my, point larger point
is this is kind of the type of Deal denver
has to go look for because this is not a deep.
Team it's it's, not and that's a problem if you
want to compete for a. Championship WHAT i, have WHICH
i have to, assume is still the priority when you
Have nicola Freaking jokic on your.
Speaker 2: Team who's in this?
Speaker 1: Prime, yeah because so if they run back the THING
i don't. Buy i'm assuming was it you Were GRANT
i talked to about this post the report from The
steinline that they're not necessarily under a mandate to shed.
SALARY i have A i would be pleasantly surprised if
that were the, case if they decide not to shed.
Salary BUT i have a hard time believing that after
getting bounced in the first, round they're going to go
into the second apron to keep the same. Team that's
WHAT i have a hard. TIME i believe, it for argument's,
sake if they keep the same. Team so you're bringing
Back Peyton, Watson you're bringing Back Spencer. Jones how many
trustworthy players deep does this rotation? Go there's the starting
five Plus Peyton, watson or if you want to call,
It Christian, brown the starting five Plus Christian.
Speaker 2: Brown that gives you.
Speaker 1: Six i'd probably be wanting to throw the you, know
the the jump shot is very weird, looking but it
did go in one THAN i thought it.
Speaker 2: Would i'd be willing to Throw Spencer jones in.
Speaker 1: There BUT i don't know That tias is in a
circle of trust, Anyway like he has not been good,
enough not the year before last.
Speaker 2: Year, YEAH i thought he was a little underrated that.
YEAR i understand why there's. SKEPTICISM i was found out on.
HIM i am now Because jesus the type of year
he just. Had no but there's not a lot of.
Trust that's and that's, why like you need to have
more bites at the, apple and this is probably the
only way that you get. It what is also fascinating is.
Speaker 1: Seven of their eight most Used Nicole jokic lineups last
year were underwater, defensively only two of them rankedigher than
the thirty fourth. Percentile maybe a Healthy Aaron gordon kind
of solves. THAT i just don't know when you, LIKE
i JUST i don't know how they go about getting
like better on a higher end because they're so assets,
strapped and also the players you would need to move
to do, It like the deal would be to me
if in a perfect world you're Moving Christian brown and
Or zeke nausey and attaching someone or something to get,
better but they don't have the assets to do. That
we're talking about can you Attach Cam johnson to, that
in which case that becomes a functional. Sacrifice and also
you're moving a ton of money at. Once that's what they're.
In just such a tough spot and even trying to
go out there and acquire depth at this, POINT i don't,
like Is zeke naugy plus a swap getting you. ANYTHING
i don't like that's and that's assuming they're willing to
just foot the.
Speaker 2: Bill for this. Roster. Right, no so YEAH i. DIDN'T
i GUESS i.
Speaker 1: Didn't boil it down to a single biggest. Need i'm gonna,
say why DO i want to? Go DO i want
to say ball?
Speaker 2: Handling?
Speaker 1: Creation, Yeah i'll say that just seems so stupid on
a team With, Jokic but as we saw during the,
playoffs that would have gone a long way to have
another reliable.
Speaker 2: Creator So i'll go with.
Speaker 1: That but you could talk me into athleticism just With
Aaron gordon getting, older and especially now if you if
you tell Me Peyton watson's, gone THEN i think this
becomes an incredibly easy exercise to.
Speaker 2: RANK i am going to go With Dallas mavericks and
the need THAT i have there is guards question, Mark
SO i Don't we don't know About. Kyrie it's basically
the long end of it, this like we just don't
know what kind of quality he's gonna be at when
the ball tips off next. Season we have no. Idea
we can sit here and we can hope that he's
The Kyrie irving Of, hold or we can perhaps acknowledge
that there is a level of skepticism as to whether
he can't be that. Player, Right so he's not that.
Guy where do you go? Here like who is going
to be the one who can consistently set Up Cooper
flag And Maurice? Johnson like who is going to be
the guy who consistently proves himself starting caliber? Worthy is It,
Ryanimhart is It Marcus, Sasser sergio de La? RARA i don't. Know,
YEAH i don't think that player would be on the.
Speaker 1: Roster Brandon williams is unsigned right, now AND i think
THAT i still have their biggest NEED i have guard
creation and also. Shooting just they were the Non Cooper
flag players were in the sixteenth percentile of catching shoot
three point efficiency last year and Then flag himself was
in the eighth percentile of. It Getting kyrie back, Helps
BUT i think even right, Now sergio de La area
there's a lot on his.
Speaker 2: Shoulders then Where Marcus.
Speaker 1: Sasser it's just like if this, team let's say they're
fine Because Naji marshall can get, Downhill Kyrie irving's coming,
back we Know Cooper flag can get. Downhill even With
Klay thompson, here there's just not a ton of. Shooting
And i'm, like this IS i don't know that this
counts as a, need but why are they continuing to
build a roster Where Cooper flag just isn't the day
facto for or the default?
Speaker 2: Four? Right, yeah, agreed. AGREED i roster construction is a.
Problem so maybe their need is a roster construction. Symmetry,
YEAH i mean they have because who is?
Speaker 1: There you Have kyrie and THEN i really do Like Max,
christie but the confidence level in guards kind of drops off.
There yeah, RIGHT i mean actually the guards in general just,
drop like the raw count of guards just.
Speaker 2: Drops off After Kyrie irving And Max Christy.
Speaker 1: Sasser Klay thompson defensively is more of a forward at this,
point so it's. Nemhard, yeah it's the roster construction is.
INTERESTING i found myself asking this is a question THAT
i have More what do we see more minutes Of
cooper flag as the actual four or Or santi Al
dama at the.
Speaker 2: THREE i don't Like sanci at the. Three he shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: There but did they acquire him To maybe they're not
confident In Derek lively's, health which is, fair.
Speaker 2: Right and nobody you're right because they acquired. Him P
j is still. There you're you're gonna have to play
The she's, There Maurice. Johnson they. Drafted do you think
do you want to be an interesting?
Speaker 1: Trade not like at least a Framework Naji marshall For Sam.
Hauser boston needs rim pressure AND i Think dallas needs
another guy who could really sling. It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i mean you're not swing positional need out,
Right but, YES i hear what you're. Saying that could be. Interesting,
YEAH i wouldn't hate that you're still not solving the Playmaking,
no but the question is is how?
Speaker 1: One because you don't control they do have first round,
equity so let's be, clear they do have picks to,
trade but should you be trading picks at this stage
either like whether it's your own which you don't control
again in twenty thirty one or other teams is probably?
Speaker 2: Not and so how do you?
Speaker 1: GO i am with LIKE MESSI U jii, said AND
i think a lot of PEOPLE i want to See
Cooper flag And Kyrie irving together to see what it looks.
Like but the variable there isn't what we see. It
it's just what Does Kyrie irving look like at his
age coming off AN acl?
Speaker 2: Injury, yep, yeah. Exactly so lots of questions About dallas
at this, point.
Speaker 1: Just going through the comments really quick to see IF
i missed anything that would be what Is Jamal murray?
Speaker 2: For if not for ball handling on The?
Speaker 1: NUGGETS i, mean, YEAH i get, that but did we
look at how many ball handlers The spurs had to
get to the? Finals look many Handler's, okay see has even.
Speaker 2: Knicks i'm just looking at the higher end teams from last.
Season just a ton Of Josh hart And.
Speaker 1: Mkaill maybe not the highest level, passers but mckel Bridges
Josh hart like they just have the really Good these
three Guys towns is as a.
Speaker 2: BALL i, mean for for a. Center he's extremely fluid
with the, ball like that's yea. Fair SO i you
just you need more Than Jamal.
Speaker 1: Murray AND i Think Nicole, Yokitchen, Yesage kyrie isn't.
Speaker 2: DONE i, Mean I'm i'm open to.
Speaker 1: THAT i don't know what it would take to get
because people just said they should Trade Kyrie irving because
of the. Need he feels like we've just spent a
ton of time talking about and THEN i don't even
know what his value would be right. Now you're probably
not getting a ton Of you're probably not getting a
ton of value.
Speaker 2: For him right. NOW i don't think so.
Speaker 1: Either no correlation is not causation, Though, OKAY i don't all, right, Awesome.
Speaker 2: Uh which teams we have? Left, oh let's, see we
have The. Clippers let's go to The.
Speaker 1: Clippers, Okay i'm gonna go with a resolution to the
aspiration of, investigation of, Course and THEN i think they
need a center if we're like trying to isolate it
down to the biggest.
Speaker 2: NEED i don't know what this.
Speaker 1: Team's direction is really in the short term or the long,
term because they don't control their own picks and the
new lottery rules like they they could be. Decent you
look at the. Talent Derek Jones junior is still, There
chris john is still. Here but the center Options knierhauser
is coming back from That Liz frank, injury So i'm
assuming he won't be ready to even start the. Season
you Have Brook lopez who's just getting. Older Isaiah jackson
that the big man rotation here is just kind of, uninspiring,
Right and SO i, LIKE i like Brook lopez in,
theory but this isn't Brook lopez from like two or
three years, ago and so they do.
Speaker 2: Have, ENOUGH i, think just.
Speaker 1: Guards even like the shooting got better with the Ruy haachimora,
addition maybe they're not going to be the best shooting
team because it's what It's Wogler Garland. Hachimra and that's
like kind of. YOU i, MEAN i guess Brook lopez
still provides you with. Stretch So i'm pretty like glombed
onto the center position at this. Point AND i don't,
KNOW i could, Say, OKAY i want someone who's gonna
give them some size and like rebounding girth there on
the defensive.
Speaker 2: Glass for.
Speaker 1: SURE i don't know how you go about acquiring that,
player BECAUSE i don't think this team's on the timeline
of let's give up assets to go address this.
Speaker 2: Need, Right, NO i, AGREE i. Agree everything is kind
of thrown together a little bit at this. Point by the,
Way Keevin, WAGGLER i didn't love him at, five but
he needs to pop so severely right now BECAUSE i
JUST i. CAN'T i can't envision anyone else like it's
they're trying to be, younger but Like garland is like
a twenty two year old, anymore like he's approaching his late.
Twenties he has to be the guy to just kind
Of clippers Get Peyton watson all.
Speaker 1: Right Sam passini fan, PAGE i want to someone go
make A Hardwood knox fan page or More jensen OnlyFans fan.
Speaker 2: Page OH i, Heard LOOK i already got that. Booked,
no it's that's actually a good. One that would be.
Fun LIKE i don't think they can get, there, right
but like that'd be. Fun they could.
Speaker 1: Do that wasn't their latest report was because they did
by going With, ruy they confirm their acting over the.
Speaker 2: Cap but they could do a sign and trade for him,
still and there won't be poison pill.
Speaker 1: Status, well they, will so the base year compensation would
be the. Issue and so now you're roping, in they're
PROBABLY flexi it's not as big of an issue as you,
Know sacramento trying to Get Jayen. Duran that would just
be that that would be, terrible or that it'd be
like the logistics of that would be.
Speaker 2: It would also be. Terrible it's okay to, say, yes
that would also be.
Speaker 1: Certain SO i think it'd be easier also Because peyton
Was Peyton watson yet between twenty seven and. Thirty so
but he's, yeah well, YEAH i, mean so you think
he's gonna get less Than Christian.
Speaker 2: BROWN i think he's gonna get like closer To Tari east. Money.
Speaker 1: WOW i, mean if that's What i'm Not.
Speaker 2: I'm just, saying if that's what that's, man that'll. BE i.
Speaker 1: HADN'T i don't Think i've prepared myself AND i probably
should have for this scenari in which he got less
Than Christian.
Speaker 2: Brown, GOD i don't.
Speaker 1: Think and by the, way if that's what he's, getting
you could definitely figure out how to make the base
of compensation a sign and trade. Work but do The clippers, Have,
like what do The clippers? Have they have some spare,
parts but in A Chris dunn and A Derek jones
junior That denver might have interest.
Speaker 2: In but are you giving up a pick or picks
to Get Peyton?
Speaker 1: Watson i'm sure that Gets denver's, Attention but as The,
clippers should you be doing?
Speaker 2: That it depends on how much you trust this last
season Of, watson, RIGHT i mean because he was. Good
but is it something you buy into being a regular.
Speaker 1: Thing, well even if, you let's say they do buy into,
that what are you giving?
Speaker 2: Like what are what is dep?
Speaker 1: Like are you giving first round picks to debt because
you Need denver to make this?
Speaker 2: Work?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah unless they're dumping is? There uh, well, okay.
Speaker 1: If The choir trade doesn't go, through it's probably easier
to shave a bunch of money and are, cool like
The pistons are just sitting.
Speaker 2: There right now that's?
Speaker 1: Ready or what happens if his contract gets? Voided does
it stay as a dead cat pit at that point.
Speaker 2: Or is it just off their? Books we need to
know these. Things WHY i, LOOK i THOUGHT i thought the.
Speaker 1: TRADE i thought the trade was going to go through
so what what what do any of us? Know is
that and they're talking about it's not gonna be resolved for.
Weeks Say denver's in the second apron, Though, uh they
could still. Trade you can trade sign and trade someone
in the second apron close to. It you can't acquire
someone in a sign and. Trade that would hardcap you
with the first. Apron so but, Yeah Peyton watson doesn't
fill the center need, though but he would be this
team gets more, athletic WHICH i think you could argue would.
Speaker 2: Also be a need that they could.
Speaker 1: FILL i Like Peyton watson, here that'd be a great
Flyer if you have him And garland And, woggler you
just build some really fun units with.
Speaker 2: THOSE. M i. Agree who do we have? Left we?
Speaker 1: Have?
Speaker 2: Oh, God? Pelicans is this the last? ONE i feel
like we're missing? Someone, Blazers yeah they. WERE i was
trying to make you pick The. PELICANS i THINK i
you name, them you can't. Pivot, sorry so twice in a?
Row all? RIGHT. M can can the need be like
in the front? Office? Man can we have a front office?
Need just combats in front office? Work is? That could
you first just list off all the transactions that they've
had this summer moret there's been so Many we'll be
here for an, hour, Right uh, NOW i, look has
there even been a s just? THERE i know that
they've been, quiet but, like haven't they Resigned DeAndre? Jordan they?
Did is that? Really? God?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: SO i have Our So i'm building our, DOCUMENT i
mean the process of building our document for when uh
we do our report card, grades which we at least
have to wait for like the lebron and Commit, yeah
watts and stuff to.
Speaker 2: Say here's a, lot but here are their.
Speaker 1: Transactions uh they picked Up Karlo makovic's two point three
million dollar team, option declined To Kavon looney's eight million
dollar team, option re Signed DeAndre.
Speaker 2: Jordan end of A. D all, right, yeah, WELL i MEAN.
Speaker 1: I guess you trust your roster And glass. Coastays can
everything be a?
Speaker 2: Need?
Speaker 1: LOOK i think not to hijacket from, you but the
TWO i have highlighted in theory one of them shouldn't
be a, need but they need to figure out what
they're doing at the center.
Speaker 2: Position do you View Derrek queen as a five or?
Speaker 1: Not and if you, don't THEN i, LIKE i don't
know how how The Zion williamson tug of war works
because then neither of them are. Five Eves mesie's probably
not the five Or DeAndre. Jordan if you View Derek
queen as a glorified, four do you View Derek queen
as someone who's just gonna continue to come off the,
Bench so then you need to figure out the center
position that could maybe be done. INTERNALLY i still like Me,
si AND i thought the vision Of Derek queen, was,
yeah the, defense he'll be.
Speaker 2: Cooked but he is a.
Speaker 1: Five so if IT'S i if that's how you view
him long, term WHICH I i, don't do you think
he could be a? Four or play like what who's
the big he's to play? Alongside Like Chet holmgren basically
Or kriss porzingis, right those types of.
Speaker 2: Things he needs to play along some way alongside someone
who sort of like. Him just better do you because,
WELL i, mean, LOOK i do Think Andy cruz said
Skip i'm assuming he said skip The. Pelicans he's not.
Wrong but these all around big men like who struggled defensively,
though but are so good at, passing, rebounding, scoring, whatever
like they need someone who is almost equally as diverse
but just in different, Areas like you can't have just you,
know a playmaker and necessarily a rim. RUNNER i firmly
believe you need to have like some level of identifiable factors.
There so with with With, QUEEN i think it's difficult
because he's not a shooter yet we know the defense
is a, problem so like a no, three no d
center just have to work around that to a perverse.
Degree and, Like i'm not even racking on it because
what he did this year was or last year was
really good for a, rookie especially like this dude would
just cobble, together you, know triple doubleish. Lines that's that's.
Impressive so they need to figure out how can we
get a bit up an all around big men in
here who's just better. Defensively and you brought up Chet,
hounkren WHO i think is like the perfect fit next To,
queen but he's just not. Realistic so, like who's the
next next player who's in the homegrown?
Speaker 1: RAIN i think one of the questions first is do
you Trust Derek queen to develop more offensive, range not
in the sense of a more complete offensive, player but
the actual range to Have, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: YEAH i trust, Them so IF i trust the arrival
of the three more than the.
Speaker 1: Dyes, so and because what did he shoot like eighty
percent of the foul line or, Something SO i think
it's reasonable to, Say, okay he'll shoot better than even
looking at like from mid, range she was at thirty
seven percent last. Year he was at twenty four percent
on non corner threes and than twenty eight percent from the.
CORNERS i expect those to tick. UP i think that
he's someone where the volume could tick up. Too THEN
i don't know if you need to, go, well it'd be.
Preferable let me just be, clear be preferable to do
the floor, spacing like just go Get Miles turner at
this point or something you figure it out. Later but
you could also like someone who's a vertical. SPACEER i
think could work if you Trust Derrek queen to develop
that additional offensive. Range and, so If Jared allen were,
AVAILABLE i don't know what the cost is to get.
Him if it's Just Trey murphy straight, UP i probably
don't like that As New.
Speaker 2: Orleans maybe there's other. Things if you can get a
pick And.
Speaker 1: Jared allen For Trey murphy at this, point maybe that's
too rich for The cavs as, blood BUT i think
you could go a big man of that route to
where it's. Okay he clearly does the vertical spacing stuff
in a way that you don't Trust Eves mes to
do so right, now in a way That Zion, williamson
just Like Jaime, wilson isn't like a screen and roll
big and he can't be your defensive anchor at the five.
Either AND i think you could probably say the same
For Eves mec at this, point but it would be
preferable if you don't Think Derek queen is ever gonna
be a league average jump. Shooter let's, say then you
if you want to play him alongside another BIG i
think THE i don't know If Jared allen works as.
Speaker 2: Well you could go In Isaiah hartenstein.
Speaker 1: Type some of these kind of has that flowing range
a lot of like can do a lot of stuff
in the short, role but it makes it. Tough oh
by the, way their actual other need though. TOO i
think it's just more shooting on the. Team you COULD
i know they Have Jordan pool at a down, year
but It's Trey murphy and it's like what else is
is bankable on this. Roster, yeah that was a question for.
You oh so shooting Non Trey murphy players last year
more catch and shoot efficiency second, percentile Non tree.
Speaker 2: Second.
Speaker 1: Percentile that's not, good just in case anyone was wondering
whether that's. Good but to the center, point this was
a third or excuse, me the second consecutive year they
were bottom three in defensive. REBOUNDING i would also like
that they were dead last in like and this is
part of like the big man thing or just the,
Personnel like their transition defense needs to be more. Disciplined
they were dead last in transition frequency off of a misshot.
Speaker 2: Like that they.
Speaker 1: Allowed so THERE'S i THINK i can't remember who you
have glass go in the chats that can everything be a?
Need they're probably not at that level BECAUSE.
Speaker 2: I Like Trey.
Speaker 1: Murphy they have a lot of Like Herb, Jones Trey
murphy is a deep but actually have a lot of
like nice wing types on this, team and they even
have some offensive engine types when you're looking At Zion,
Williamson Derek, queen maybe Even Jon.
Speaker 2: Dea murray is still.
Speaker 1: Here but the roster we went through this a little
bit with The kings and it's not as bad As, sacramento,
right but it does lack a certain coherence to.
Speaker 2: Me, No, NO i, agree WE i think, overall If
i'm trying to take this, seriously because AGAIN i actually
agree with the commenter who said that, everything BUT i
understand your point that we have to be a little
bit petitious about. This it's not just the three point,
shot ALTHOUGH i, agreed it's not just the front off
of the. Stuff it's also just a there's there's an element,
of or rather a lacking elevement of self sacrifice. Group.
RIGHT i just don't think this is a group one,
another LIKE i don't think this is a group that
has any interest in proceeding as they currently. CONSTRUCTED i
think the players so well aware that this project is
uh is. FAILING i think everyone around them is aware of.
IT i just think there's a need DRASTIC i think
there's a need for major roster construction. Changes is it?
Silent is It Jordan? Poole is It Deoncey? Murray is
it all of? Them? PROBABLY i don't even know the
hell you're building. AROUND i don't.
Speaker 1: Know is it you don't have you don't have the
player to point to you Would the hope probably should
have been that it would Be queen Or Jeremiah. Fears
you cannot and maybe you can't definitively say that about most.
Sophomores they feel further away then they should be for
where The pelicans would be. At AND i don't view
that as the fault of the. Players but if you're
trying to if it's Not, zion there is no And
zion probably isn't a realistic option unless you're willing to go.
Out because if If zion's the, option do you know
what the moves? Are And i'm not necessarily endorsing, these
you start trading fears In queen and picks to build
adequately Around zion And Trey. Murphy that's the, move which
is probably not the. Move and what's also you mentioned
the nuclear. THING i think that's, fair that would be
and they're a, team they can do. Something this isn't
The kings where all of, that Like, ZION i would,
assume still has.
Speaker 2: Appeal the issue would be how many of his.
Speaker 1: Potential trade suitors came off the board this summer, Though
Like phoenix after The Miles bridges trade just gone the,
Heat yiannis just gone you could still get a haul
For Trey. MURPHY i don't know What Herb jones's value,
is so they could do something. NUCLEAR i think it's
gotten a little harder, now like put like post some
of these other trades where it's if you Didn't Zion
williamson was gonna net you a small ransom, before it's
probably harder to find the team that. SAYS i, mean
if you're want to take On Paul, george is there
like A zion like For Paul george structure that would make?
Speaker 2: Sense you want rim pressure In? Boston? Yeah do you
do you like? That do you like to fit In
Joe masula's? Offensive well maybe he's the guy who.
Speaker 1: Actually want to be, honest which is different, players but
to be sure and.
Speaker 2: Better But sion at, least you, know he can just
kind of spray the ball out to. Shooters it's not
it's not like an idea that's the end of the. World,
THERE i get. IT i think CONCEPTUALLY i like the
fit Of Paul george And boston more Than. Williamson but
at the same time he's just so much OLDER, pg
so just at the age addition you can call it
in Getting sion in there who's more along the timeline
Of Jason tatum and will be cheaper Than Jalen. Brown
perhaps there's something. THERE i hadn't thought about that, one
but it's it's not a bad idea on its.
Speaker 1: Surface it's JUST i don't know what the if it's
a pick and not one of the ones you just.
ACQUIRED i, mean But i'm assuming if if the cost was,
that Maybe zion's already been.
Speaker 2: Moved, YEAH i would assume.
Speaker 1: So Uh andy cru Says zion has the shooting around
him In, Boston yeah for. SURE i mean maybe some
of the lineups with if you want to play him
With mitch Or kada a little touch and. Go But
boston has plenty of uh the. Ability they definitely have
the ability of space the, floor like his drives would
be the being LIKE i think the vision would be
similar to what it was supposed to be With. Giannis
it just let him rampage to the.
Speaker 2: Basket it Will.
Speaker 1: Uh we are onto The Portland Trail, blazers who are
our final. Team, yeah they need A Ja moran.
Speaker 2: TRADE i, think well we definitely know they don't need
a point. Guard, yeah, yeah for.
Speaker 1: SURE i think it's STILL i had them as a
sneaky WHAT i thought would have been like a Great
Trey murphy dark horse trade destination BECAUSE i think they
need that type of, player AND i think they need
that type of player more than ever. Now is just
the like the movement shooter preferably doesn't summary in your,
defense but you have look the ball handling boxes. Checked Damian,
Lillard Danny, Avdia John, Morant, Drewalidey Scoot, Henderson Shane sharp
can handle a little bit the passings if he you've
got Between Robert williams the Third Donovan klingen an excellent sophomore,
season even like The Brandon carlson pick UP i think
was smart by. THEM i haven't given up On Young hansom.
Yet this roster is still kind of, deep a lot
of intriguing. Players but if you, want if the plan
is to Play John morant And Damian lillard, Together i'd
like you better hope the floor spacing From Donovan klingon is,
real just because The John morant element of. It but
someone like A Trey MURPHY i think becomes would be
integral to this. TEAM i don't, know Like i've eewn
them as good enough to where they should be looking
at that type of a. Player there's other names we
could throw out there as, well BUT i have written
in my notes so thin they need Their Trey, murphy
AND i think THAT i would have said that had
they not made.
Speaker 2: The John morant.
Speaker 1: Trade AND i UNDER i understand that from a talent
vacuum play because you can give up a ton to get.
Him BUT i hated that trade From. PORTLAND i just.
DON'T i don't like. It and IT'S i trust that like,
emotionally this, team like, culturally this team will be.
Speaker 2: Fine Damian lillard's in the, Building.
Speaker 1: Drew, holliday super high character, Guy John, morant this has
to be somewhat of a rude of, like you, know
it has to be an awakening for. Him maybe it's not,
rude but it's an awakening for. HIM i would imagine
change of scenery could do him. Good BUT i don't,
Know LIKE i don't even know what their like favorite
lineups are gonna look like at this, point because you start.
Speaker 2: To run into who are you leaving?
Speaker 1: Out if you Think denny needs to play and it
feels like they're obligated to play Jaw Damian lillard needs to,
Play Demantic kamara needs to.
Speaker 2: Play Drew holliday needs to.
Speaker 1: Play one of your bigs clinging as your bass big
or whether it's OUR w three needs to. Play they
are a team that could play without a center. Before
i'm less intrigued by those lineups now because you don't
Have Jeremy, grant who didn't help you enough with the.
Rebounding but are you getting away playing small With John
moran and Or Damian lillard on the. COURT i don't
know what any of The John moran stuff augurs For
Scoot henderson slash shayde And sharp's. FUTURE i think Like
shade And sharp and stuff For Trey. Murphy is there
something you could build around there would do wonders for this.
TEAM I sti wouldn't love The John morant, fit BUT
i THINK i think that's what they.
Speaker 2: Need and, look.
Speaker 1: There's the data just to back it. Up like they
were just not a strong shooting team last. Year Like
Damian lillard helps a ton beyond an off. Ball gravity
is just an. Element they didn't have a singular player last,
year but they need they need more now for.
Speaker 2: SURE i. AGREE i don't have anything to. Add you
just took everything, well but it was one. NEED i
was just unpacking.
Speaker 1: IT i appreciate it if, YOU i don't, know if
you feel a job.
Speaker 2: That's What i'm here for is a steel People's i'm. Ai,
Really i'm, Not i'm.
Speaker 1: AI i feel there's WHEN i HATE i don't want
people to, think probably That i'm being lazy WHEN i
say this just needs. Shooting SO i probably WHENEVER i
go to shooting or, WINGS i probably feel the need
to over. Explain whereas, NO i promise You i've thought about.
Speaker 2: This, no you. HAVE i, saw AND i know you,
have and you're you're right on the. Money, uh it's because,
look let's just be real about one thing here as.
Well shade And sharp has not proved that he's a
great long range. Shooter so it's not just The John
morantonov And kling and, pairing It's shade And sharp. Too
like you just don't know what that's going to. Entail
so if you have three potential players in the, lineup
who are you, know potentially weak, shooters that's a. Problem
and then you just re Signed Propert williams the third
also not a floor stretching pig. Man that's a. Problem
like you're not really sure what kind of spacing you're
going to get out Of Young. Hansen you just don't.
Know And Scoot Hey scot as. Well he's got shooting
concerns over the course of his career, Too like these
are it's a fair, question like this is on a.
Balance if they all have a good, Year, god they
could make a playoff run like or a run within the.
Playoffs BUT i if you have so many h let's
see what is what is the comment the needed shooting
and maybe a real power for, it and they went
an acquired. Job oh that's a good. COMMENT i like. That,
yeah they're.
Speaker 1: There you're right about the because so AND i assume
he's just not going to play a bunch and if he,
IS i don't know what that says about their plans
For Young. Hanson But Brandon carlson might give you the
stretch because a stretch element at the. Five If donovan
clingon shot is for real and he's just a thirty
five percent shooter on arc, threes that get THAT'S i
think it opens up the fl Like John moran needs that,
OPENNESS i, think especially when some of their most important.
Players when you look at the. Percentages, Yes Tomani kamara fine.
Shooter Denny avda is someone who can shoot like you
don't want to take an off the dribble jumpers, necessarily
but it's a set.
Speaker 2: Shooter.
Speaker 1: Okay But Damian lillard's the only guy on this roster
who like comes close to being a five alarm fire
relative to his, position and that's they need that at another,
spot and it. Doesn't Trey murphy's the NAME i gravitate.
Towards if they can get A Max, truce A Sam
merrill h even you just you can't fit him into the.
Structure THOUGH i was gonna, say there might be like
A shade And sharp For Miles turner swap, here BUT
i just don't know how many Minutes Miles turner's playing
when you Have Donovan klingon AND rw three on top
of young handsome there And Brandon. Carlson but that that's
what they need to go out and get and they. Have,
look they have THE i would, say if you're willing
to Trade Shaden sharp And scoot Is i'm assuming they're
not married To. Scoot, now if you Have John morant
And Damian lillard And Drew holliday, there they have the
ability to make that type of, move AND i guess
it seems like they're willing to make. SWINGS i would be,
like do we expect them to make another significant transaction
before the other because we're kind of in the off
season dog days at this, point we, are, yeah if
you will still be looking to cut money at some,
Point so there is that to. Consider but Maybe Trey
murphy becomes actually, available if The pelicans ever pick up their,
PHONE i don't, know.
Speaker 2: We'll, see but it does feel like they've kind of,
said all, right this is our team moving. Forward and do.
Speaker 1: You do you think though that it's that there is
a there's like a layer of intelligibility to that because
you don't know what you look like With John, moran
so why would you now go make another move where
your team has to be more reflective of the image
of having jam RANT.
Speaker 2: I, guess but we know what Who John morand is
and we know his, weaknesses we know his. Strength so,
YEAH i, mean if you want to go into that
approach and, say WELL i want to see it, first,
COOL i, PERSONALLY i don't think there's a need for.
IT i think it's pretty obvious what's going to. Happen
but LIKE, i, well we could be. WRONG i GUESS
i on this. ONE i just don't think we.
Speaker 1: Are but, well because, peak even if you got, Peak Ja,
MORANT i don't think our biggest need. Change like if
we just said you're getting twenty twenty, Two John, morant
that was ALL nba, season, Right, yeah it's, Great yeah
you're getting, Peak Jah. MORANT i think you still need,
well we just spent like the last eight minutes or.
Speaker 2: So absolutely, absolutely we're both apparently overtired and forgot The,
warriors you take. It what is their biggest, need? Sir
they Need Jonathan mingo.
Speaker 1: Back SO i have youth and, Athleticism which is kind
of funny because the like the two free agents they
are linked to the most is One Draymond, green who
we just expect to come back, obviously but then, too
they're also linked to Lebron On, james who would be
one of their more athletic. Players, anyway this is just
a team though twenty third in transition frequency or worse
for the past three. YEARS i think you're also looking
at the perimeter defense right. Now Both Moses moody And
Jimmy butler are going to begin the season on the.
Shelf we don't know If moody's going to play next.
YEAR i don't know If Jimmy butler is going to
return before the calendar flips to twenty twenty, seven just
at his age and the injury that he's coming back.
Speaker 2: From so you're.
Speaker 1: Putting like there's a lot right now on the shoulders
of Defensively Deanthony, melton and then Is Jaxea lindenberg playing
a bunch of minutes here And Draymond green of course,
Defensively and so you just look at this team and
they have and they still, do had a whole bunch
OF i think you different needs heading into the offseason
they haven't addressed aside from talent retention for, them they
haven't addressed any of. Them and so it's not just youth.
Athleticism it's all, right, Well Jimmy butler's. Injured do you
need another? Creator do you need MORE i mean you can,
say do they need more durability at the five? Spot
just now you Have Al, horford Christophs, porzingis There's draymond
at the five. Lineups of course you Lost Quinton. Post
they did Sign Charles. Bassi they just need wings, Again Moses,
Moody Jimmy butler being. Injured how much do you Trust
jack So wendenberg Off rip Or Gie santos And Will
richard to play bigger. Roles but youth and athleticism Over
maybe it doesn't need to be, young but it needs
to be athleticism on this, Team like they need to
have that button to, push and they do not right,
now they.
Speaker 2: Don't you're absolutely, Right and that's been a concern for
a while, now right like they try to do the
whole like let's be, competitive let's try to develop young.
Guys they couldn't develop the young. Guys they also chose
poorly in the draft for quite a few years. There
it's it's it's a. Problem they don't really have a
back up plan in this in this, manner like if
the plan Is lebron great, seeming you Want Anthony davison
there because that's what he's. Requiring so how do you
sell that idea To, washington like Using jimmy as a trade.
SHIP i don't think that's gonna go over particularly. Well,
YEAH i think that's A i think it's it's a
complete fair observation that they're in need of athleticism and
durability and just someone who can do something. Else THEN
i run around the floor and just be an observer
BECAUSE i think that has been a problem for them
for a long. Time just everyone looking At, steph looking At,
draymond looking at these guys like you need someone who
comes in and just does. Stuff and maybe That's. Lindeborg,
honestly maybe it's it's Pajem ski in year, four but
they need. Something maybe It's Qui Santos LIKE, i, Frankly
i'm just open for everything at this stage because they
are in need of having someone other than the old
crew delivered it at a much higher.
Speaker 1: Rate and IT'S i, mean they were twenty seventh in
rim pressure last.
Speaker 2: Year they're not a.
Speaker 1: Team when you're looking at like the way that roster's
set up now Without, jimmy for let's assume at least
half of the, year you're not going to draw a
ton of, fouls right like until that bar has even been.
Low and SO i look to even with the idea
That Jimmy butler will come, BACK i think you look
at this roster and say they're kind of. Married just
the their centers of Christops perzenkas And Al. Horford you're
not going to upgrade, There AND i mean maybe someone
becomes available that we're not. Discussing steph Is, steph you're
not going to upgrade at that spot if you're Bringing draymond,
back or you Have Lebron, James like your four is
kind of, set and SO i look at the two
three spot like it's the wing. Spot it's, LIKE i
feel as if what all the stuff we're talking, about
ideally it would come in the form of a bigger
wing or just a wing type, player AND i don't
know who that. IS i, Mean Trey murphy has been
one that's mentioned for. Them he's been mentioned for every
team that doesn't check all about, like he's not gonna
give you a ton of rim, pressure he's not the best,
defender and he's gonna cost you a ton of.
Speaker 2: ASSETS i think you still make that move and figure
it out.
Speaker 1: Later but the bigger question here is if it's Not Lebron,
james who again does not, Answer he'll give you some
rim pressure for, sure if you're worried about, creation especially
With Jimmy butler, injured he's going to give you. That
but if it's Not Lebron. James do you view this
as a team that's gonna look to Make i've Asked
grant this question a but, like are they actually gonna
try and make significant upgrades or do they come out
of this offseason and, say you, know we were linked
To lebron and like we were kinda it seems like
they maybe might have checked in on. You, honest they
weren't on his final list, though and we were linked
To Anthony davis for a hot, minute and that's just
gonna be.
Speaker 2: That, YEAH i wouldn't be surprised if that is what ultimately,
happens because they can only put their best foot, forward
and they are an organization that would probably want that
to be publicized a lot that they, did BECAUSE i
think we've seen that every year with, them, like, oh
we tried to be in the running for blah blah blah.
Blah that's and that's, Fine like sometimes you just don't
get shit, done AND i don't think that's necessarily something
to look down. Upon BUT i think they realize the
situation as, well like this is the sunset years Of Stephen,
draymond and while they want to give them something cohesive
to allow them to have a good final. Run it
just comes down to do other players look at this
situation as being? Attractive and MOST i would, guess DON'T.
Speaker 1: I think when the bar is so high in The
west With San antonio And okac being, there and then
even you either Believe dever is going to be right back,
there or perhaps you think That minnesota's. BETTER i know you,
don't but perhaps you Think minnesota is better after The
LaMelo ball. Trade Could houston just get better by virtue
of being healthier having fred van, fleetback they could GET
i mean a lot of their key players On Thompson,
Alprin shangoun Reed shepherd aren't off the growth. Trajectory it's
tough because With Golden state, too they need so many
things that to identify a singular target like A giannis
came closest just because he didn't check all the, boxes
but it was, well this is just a clear top ten,
talent and so you do, it and that's going to
move the needle. Enough otherwise you're probably talking about multiple.
Moves but it would just be nice on balance to
see them get more athletic.
Speaker 2: Overall AND i DON'T i like when you try and
suss out.
Speaker 1: Names that gets a little, difficult AND i think part
of the reason for that with me is even If
boston made A Derek white, available, now now you're getting
older and, like how much have you improved your?
Speaker 2: Athleticism maybe not?
Speaker 1: Enough but has this team, then like they've not shown
a willingness it feels like to part with right the
draft compensation or just the assets overall that it would
take to even pull off a move like.
Speaker 2: That, YEAH i, agree they, haven't and that's WHY i
don't think we can anticipate anything of substantial nature because of.
IT i think that would be. Presumptuous so maybe they
get like they do.
Speaker 1: HAVE i will say the one THING i will, say
they do have lightning in a bottle potential to where
if you, say, well If christops is, Healthy Jimmy butler
gets right And steph is healthy in the, playoffs this
isn't a team THAT i would want to face if
they have there the top of their roster has still
a very high end. Outcome but it's just the odds
of everybody at the top of their roster being available
or operating at the peak of their powers when it matters.
Most it just year over year it feels as if
it gets lower and.
Speaker 2: Lower, YEAH i, Agree AND i think that's partly why
WHAT i said earlier that most players are looking at
that situation and not, saying, oh, YEAH i want to
sign up to. THIS i think a lot are basically
avoiding that because they could be looking at a situation
where they are trying to rebuild and then they're forced
to being traded and then they don't decide their next.
Destination so, yeah do you have anything else on any trade?
Target do you think they should go? After should they
be A zion? Team like is that wouldn't hurt rim, pressure.
YOUTH i, mean those are the two things that you're
outlined THAT i think is like a fair game athleticism as.
Well if there's an organization that might be able to absorb,
him it's, Them SO i wouldn't hate. It the question,
is what's what's the deal is? It? JIMMY i think,
YEAH i mean financially it has to.
Speaker 1: BE i think this, point because you, resigned Porzingis draymond opted?
Speaker 2: Out, yeah, yeah they would. Be that's what's there's the
report that they don't want to Trade. Jimmy he's just.
Speaker 1: THIS i don't think he's immovable because he's an expiring.
Contract but the contract is so massive that it's that
it's inherently tough to. Move and are you you have
to find a team that's willing to break it, one
get a player who they're either rerouting or maybe they're
negotiating a buy out, with or they're just not getting
back until twenty twenty, Seven and then they're also willing
to send out what like two or three rotation. Players,
yeah your? WAY i, mean maybe is this The memphis consolidation.
Trade they get The Jimmy butler, contract but you send
The warriors who you're probably getting OFF kcp in that,
deal or Or Jeremy, grant take your.
Speaker 2: Pick but then it's what do The warriors want off that?
Speaker 1: Roster they have players THAT i think would be, Appealing
but do The warriors Want Jallen?
Speaker 2: Wells do they Want Cam?
Speaker 1: Spencer and it's you, know, like what are you willing
to give up to get The like none of those
players are even close to even in the aggregate or
close to enough for us to feel much better about
this team or even the. PLAYERS i just like they're
not checking the athleticism box.
Speaker 2: Either, no exactly so, LIKE i don't feel as though
The memphis, deal even if it was to, materialize would
make them significantly, better although it would improve their, Debt but,
OVERALL i think this team just it needs something major
for the narratives to, shift And i'm just not going
to guess that's going to. Happen do you Have did
we do? It did we skip? Anybody we? Should we?
Speaker 1: SHOULD i should have counted those while you were talking
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looking out. Here we did, too got look at that
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