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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasicko's I Am Dan Valley coming at

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you with mister Moore Jensen of the NBA podcast, Fame

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of Yahoo Spords, fame of HBO Max fame of course

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only fans, celebrity. You're gathered around the Hardware Knocks NBA

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campfire again to go through every Western Conference team's biggest

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need following the peak of NBA free agency. We did

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the East the other day, so if you have not,

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go ahead and check out that podcast.

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Speaker 2: We also got to react to the Kawhi.

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Speaker 1: Leonard trade pause breaking news in real time. That was

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fun to attempt to parse.

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Speaker 2: With j Brown trade today it's.

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Speaker 1: That second Jail Brown trade is gonna hit so hard,

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or imagine the Jail and Brown trade pause that was

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already official though. Right So, but uh, we're gonna do

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the West. We're gonna alternate teams again picks like we

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did last time. There is obviously some business that has

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yet to be done. Nothing I mean the Kawhi Leonard

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trade as it applies to the Clippers being one of them.

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Nothing that should change our overarching thoughts at least on

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these squads. First and foremost, though, mister ensign, how are

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you doing doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, sir. I would like to apologize in advance to

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everyone listening in or watching this on YouTube, because if

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they're going to be sounds in the background is because

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I have my window open because we're in the middle

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of July and it's hot as hell, so I just

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need to, you know, not die as we do this

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Speaker 1: I'd prefer you faint from heat exhaustion. I feel like,

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like live I feel like that'd be really good for

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the views and engagement and everything in content nowadays, So

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it could go right like.

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Speaker 2: I have to faint in a different way. Oh by

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the way, opening window sponsored bikedraft Kings right like we

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not calci no cal uh? Do you want to get

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us started?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to game it perfectly so that I forced

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you to take the team that at some point that

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I know you won't want to take. I'm not really

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sure who that is in the Western Conference, good guess.

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But I forced you to talk about the Bulls, Yes you.

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Speaker 2: Did, so that's why I want to talk about the

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Spurs now. I want to pay you that one was coming, yeah, exactly,

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that one. We might as well get it out of

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the way. So biggest need I still think it's like

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a proper power forward. I know that got Tobias Harrison

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there and he's look, he's good. I'm not going to

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sit here and act as if Tobias Harris doesn't have value.

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I thought Philly fans were way too harsh on him

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for years and years and years. I think he's going

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to help him out, But I don't think he's that

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physical enforcer type player that you and I were talking

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about during the finals or before the finals even and

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the guy that you and I talked about, I don't

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know if you remember this talking about I see a

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Stewart who we're laughing that option off because you know,

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Detroit won sixty games and we're like, no way, he's

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like ending up in San Antonio. He'd be perfect, but

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no way he ends ups in San Antonio. Blah blah

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blah bla. He's gonna stick around. And then he was

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traded for like three seconds or two seconds or whatever

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the hell it was. So I still think they need

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like a very physical, enforcing four man who can just

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come in and take care of business. That to me

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is still a major gap in their lineup symmetry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the four spots the right focus. They

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they have enough guards on this team unless you wanted

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them to get another They drafted like eight of them.

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I know that hyperboly, but unless you wanted them to

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get another type of backup big but it has to

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be it has to be the four spot. And I'm

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is fantastic, But you mentioned the physicality.

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Speaker 2: Tobias Harris gives.

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Speaker 1: You maybe some of that on the offensive end, but

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like you said, he not a perfect fit. Harrison Barnes

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have doesn't necessarily need to come from the four spot,

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I guess, but to have that guy who can come

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in the game and just absolutely let it rip from deep.

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don't like. The closest they come is who is it? Champpenny?

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, So it's one of those two.

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Speaker 1: And maybe look, maybe Carter Bryant can give you some

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of the physicality that you're talking about, and but I

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think it does not seem as if it's clearly not

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gonna happen in the offseason. I'd be pretty shocked if

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they did something. So maybe you did talk about the

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other day, maybe they do do something with the Kelton

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this point like a if they do make an upgrade,

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it'll be mid season. We just saw this, not that

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it's not working. Maybe it's just not working at a

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high enough level. I'm I'm I don't have a problem

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with the Tobias Harris signing, but for what I wanted

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out of that spot offensively, I don't think he does

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enough of it. There's like more self creation and physicality

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offensively there than the raw three point volume. But this

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team is just they could they They could have done

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nothing and potentially won the title, just if you bake

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in organic improvement because of how young the top of

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their roster is.

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Speaker 2: True, I just think it's for them, it's so important

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not to get complacent after this final appearance, like you

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just we've seen it before. Seems to go to the finals,

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they're like, oh, we're right there, we don't have to

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do anything. I overwhelmingly disagree with that approach, Like I'm

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not saying you need to overhaul anything, but like you

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need to be very, very aggressive if you're the losing

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team of the finals coming into next year, Like, go

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get that ring chaser, Go get that guy who might

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cost you an extra draft pick, because you're so goddamn close.

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Speaker 1: And I think last time we talked about this, you

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were not that I wasn't in fa favor of it,

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but Trey Murphy is the name. I thought you were

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going to make a joke before when you said the

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guy that both of us talked about.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, Trey Murphy's name is gonna come

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been mentioned a ton with them.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't the physicality stuff where you're talking about that

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wouldn't much be him, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, but he'll rip the threes as you talked about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I would just be hesitant because of

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the draft equity that it would cost to get him.

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last your last shot at all, right, just Trey Murphy,

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and then that's kind of it.

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Speaker 2: You still have.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, but it's it would be so unspursy

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to make such an aggressive move like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would, but I'm all in on it because

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like they have Wemby, like the like Dylan Harper is

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his stud the vodcastly is DoD I mean the Champenny

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dr and Fox contract, I don't think there's any gregious

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deal to be found on their froster whatsoever. So they

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just have so many options. And if even if you

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can do that give up the equity for for Trey Murphy,

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perhaps you're lucky and can actually flip Fox for something

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as well, like so you kind of replenish your cuppards

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he was bad in the finals, but I don't think

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he's necessarily untradeable. I don't like the contract, but I

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don't think he's untradable.

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Speaker 1: No, I think he's far from untradeable, would be my guess.

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Is there any other names that like spring to mind

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for you that they should be looking at? Isaiah Stewart

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on this team would have been the Dylan Harper Isaiah

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Stewart lineups. Maybe worry about those offensively, like spacing wise

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a little bit, but those and Castle, it's a lot

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of physical dudes.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, in general, that'd be fun to watch. I mean,

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look that those were the two guys I had circled,

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like one wasn't serious in terms of Stewart, but now

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that he was moved, I'm like, damn, like if they

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he was available, so so like if they had walked

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away from from this summer with Trey Murphy and I

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say a Stewart, I.

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Speaker 1: Should I mean, and they can't really save them any

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money because they're after paying Champagnie and Harris.

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Speaker 2: They're not into the tax, but they're fairly close.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like getting a Michael Porter Junior's

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money is going to be tough without including Daron fox yep,

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I mean you could get there. I'm assuming they wouldn't

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want Caldon Johnson back. So and now you're talking about

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like three and four teams scenarios. This would be an

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interesting cam Johnson team if the Nuggets are looking to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely efficient hopefully in the system wouldn't be too

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high on the totem pole, but enough to where the

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spacing is going to be an asset. Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let me just keep naming guys who don't check the

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physicality box that you outline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know at the top of this thought.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, so I whoa more, are the Spurs wasting weben

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Speaker 2: No they're not, but they are potentially wasting this summer.

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the last year he's cheap, Like, this is the year

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to go out and may be actually do something. And

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this is why I was hesitant when they signed Fox

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to this type of contract, like the thirty percent max.

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rush to get it done because they did it on

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the day that he was extension eligible. I think that

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was just a little too desperate, a little too thirsty.

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good offseason. I don't have them in the loser category either, because,

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like they just nailed the Champagne extension. That was just

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such a that's just such a ridiculously good deal. Like

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it's impossible to call them losers after doing that. Harris

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I didn't know what to expect. It

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would have been nice to have seen a bigger swing. Yeah,

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move like they did with Fox. I do also think

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it hurts. It doesn't hurt that, like you said, you

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could move Diaron Fox to where we're not at the

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point where to get off of d like part of

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the Paul George contract problem, which is why people were

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looking at that Jaylen Brown trade and going whoa is

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it felt like you needed all along to give up

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more than a first round pick to get off the

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Speaker 2: I don't feel that way about Fox's deal. Maybe I should.

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Speaker 1: I'm also willing to say maybe he's just better next

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year and if he was healthier, but like in the finals,

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maybe we're talking. Maybe we're just having a different conversation

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right now for all we know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I still didn't like, you know, a lot of

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what he did in the regular season, like yes, the

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steady ballhandling, for damn sure, like that was a thing,

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Like he was able to go in and dictate tempo.

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I will give him that every single day of the week.

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I didn't like the fact that in transition he looked

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coming back from the injury. This was like in the

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like where's that spurts? Like where where? Where's the athleticism,

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where's that you know, the lightning speed that we've grown

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to question, well, how does this contract actually age if

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this is the the If the athletic burst isn't going

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to be there, what happens if he can't generate He

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can still generate separation, you know, in the mid range

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and with his handle, but if he's not getting to

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the rim or get by guys as readily. What if

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the separation gets even harder to come by than it

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might be already, so that that would be fair as well.

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Speaker 2: My turn spent a lot of time on the spurs.

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That's far for the course for us.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Minnesota, who I believe just has the

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same need, except probably more so. They just need they

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need the four after it, and it's not because I

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think you could have argued you wanted to see them

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upgrade the Julius Randall spot. They just haven't filled the

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Julius Randall spot at this point. I would be intrigued

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to see more of Jaden McDaniels at the four. I

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think that'd be interesting and that he'd be more of

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an offensive mismatch there. But they only played Jmac at

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the four for forty one possessions, with Rudy also at

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the five last season and the year before that it

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was two hundred and twenty two possessions, so a little

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bit bigger.

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Speaker 2: But the offense was really.

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Speaker 1: Bad both in both of those seasons during those stretches,

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and you look at the roster right now, I don't

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really know what the plan would be. I don't think

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he's more of a wing anyway, but you're not going

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to scale rookie Isaiah Evans up in that department. So

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aside from going with these smaller lineups we've seen, they've

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been one of the teams that is linked to Lebron James.

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I think it would be that'd be one of the

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teams I'm just rooting to see Lebron go to because

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it would be so shocking. But other than that, maybe

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turning to Isaiah Evans or some of these smaller lineups

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where j mack is going to be at the four,

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I don't know what is the plan here as for Minnesota,

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like sort of in that spot. We don't even need

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to get bogged down by just the positions of it all,

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but it's who is like the primary front court partner

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for when Rudy Gobert is in the front line or

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Johann Baron Jay's on the front line. I don't know

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that they have that guy, and I think, again, I

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won't read too much into the Jaden McDaniels at the

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four lineup data, but I also don't believe that you

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want that to be Jaden mcdaniels's default role, even though

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if you're closing as of right now, that's probably what

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you're default into, right because you have Lamello, Edwards, Ioh, McDaniels,

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and Goberto. Those are your five best players with Devincenzo injured.

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For sure, Yeah, I don't I don't mind McDaniels at

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the four also because I this is going to turn

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into like a Jade McDaniels kind of thing. But he's

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been in the league for six years now, He's had

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his ups and downs, just in terms of like the

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consistency level, I'm just over it now, Like this season

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he has to come out and show us something Like

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now he has to come in and be a far

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better offensive player.

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Speaker 2: He has to be someone who we stop making excuses for,

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Oh he played on a position. Oh he was like

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third on the offensive hierarchy. Like I don't care anymore.

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I just don't care this. This guy is too good.

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He has too good of a nose offensively as well

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to not use it more. He's got too good of

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a jumper not to utilize it more. He's got too

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good of an insn to go to the basket not

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to utilize it more. Like I can go on and

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on and on, so frankly, playm at the three, play

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them at the four. I do not care. Just get

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him involved and it's it's his time now to step up.

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I need more Jade McDaniels on the positive side in

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my life instead of the endless frustrations of watching him

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play and yelling at the television, do more stuff because

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you're good, So need more from him. If that's at

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the four, so be it.

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Speaker 1: I guess is it set up like it's not when

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you say you need more from him? I don't know

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that the wolves have ever been set up for him

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to We've seen the incremental offensive improvement basically each of

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the last three years. I'm with you, he says, I'd

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like to see or was he at five three pointers

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per one hundred possessions last year? He improved at five

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point two. I would like to see that number come up.

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Speaker 2: To go up? Yeah, yeah, no, But but the aggressiveness

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as well as he had like when he started the

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year last year, Like didn't he average eighteen nineteen or

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something for like the first three or four weeks of

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the season something along those lines, Like he was really good,

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and I thought, now is the time for him to realize,

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Oh yeah, I have to go in and take the

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spot for myself. But he's a six', nine very athletic

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and agile wing big AND i know go bears. There

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but outside of, that they didn't have a ton of

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elite rebounders four rebounds per. GAME i don't Need jade

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McDaniels to turn Into Jared jackson. JUNIOR i need him

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to come in and use the physical tools and advantages

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that he does. Have long, arms, athletic we've seen him

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rebound as. Well we've seen it, before like it's a

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matter of devoting himself to certain. ELEMENTS i just need

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to see him in a larger capacity and then we

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can argue all day long whether that capacity needs to

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be offense or. EVENTS i just need to see him

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be featured at a higher.

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Speaker 1: Extent i'll be curious if they have more or less

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room for that this year than, last just because you

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have No Julius, randall but you still Have edwards and

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Then LaMelo And Io, desumu who will be higher usage

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on ball. Guys maybe they'll be if they're if you're

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gonna start both of, them maybe there's more opportunities For

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jade McDaniels with the secondary Lineups i'm STILL i Guess

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i'm Just i'm curious to see what the pathway would

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be to him actually like seeing him higher, usage BECAUSE

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i doubt he's never cracked twenty percent. USAGE i don't think. So, yeah,

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no he's not even come. Close last year it was

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his closest at eighteen to.

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Speaker 2: Five SO.

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Speaker 1: I, GUESS i JUST i guess he doesn't frustrate me

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as much as he frustrated, you which.

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Speaker 2: Is, oh you're so positive.

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Speaker 1: Always that's, yeah, yeah mister optimist is what They, yeah.

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Exactly so what you're is that your biggest need is

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you just want More jaden McDaniels or is it it

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is the four spot, though right force bot cup point?

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Speaker 2: Guard but, like, well, okay, YEAH i mean Bones highland.

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DEPENDS i could in the.

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Speaker 1: World you're probably not Starting, io not because he's not starting,

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caliber but you would have that coming off the. Bench

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BUT i just DON'T i don't know what the what

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the alternative path would look like as this rock they

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are a team that would have been interesting For Tobias

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harris obviously the spurs and more money to give.

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Speaker 2: Out but, yeah now that the three guard line up Of,

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LaMelo io And EDWARDS i. DON'T i don't consider that,

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problematic like because you can throw in bones island in

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that and then it should be okay. Ish but like

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to your, point they probably could use some depth at that.

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Position it's not something that concerns. Me not at this.

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STAGE i think the. Four BUT i also think the

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four is just so tied to McDaniels and and my

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need of to see him just become more of an assertive.

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Player SO i think those two go hand in. Hand,

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yeah that's.

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Speaker 1: Fair and LIKE i, SAID i think that their closing

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lineup is going to be that as, Well so maybe

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the four isn't as big of a need as painting

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it out to. BE i think if you if that's

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your if your best five man unit is just those

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those five, dudes THEN i think you start to look

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at people coming off the bench and, say all, right

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well maybe it is between backup point, guard and like the,

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four it might look quite frankly unless you really think

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That baronjay is just just ready right, now you can

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make a case that could be a backup.

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Speaker 2: Five, yeah oh, yeah yeah for. Sure like in terms

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of the backup, POSITIONS i don't think they're set, yet

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but like do we even is there even a center

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out there on the market right? Now that MAKES jv?

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Speaker 1: SURE i, mean it might help you in the, possession

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but what About Nick richards is still floating out. THERE

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i LIKE Jv, moore they'd be a Good Micah potter.

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Team people might laugh at, that BUT i think that

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they like get theospacing element from the five.

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Speaker 2: SPOT i see. It Uh target targets here for life

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as his brad beel wanted by. Anyone he's a vet

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minimum player right.

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Speaker 1: NOW i assume The heat have him circled on, something

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right they need? It, yep, Yep minnesota does, NOT i would,

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say because he's.

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Speaker 2: Not he wouldn't be the backup. Guard what is, Up.

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Speaker 2: Team The Houston? Rockets and so we're talking about needs.

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Here CAN i just say the need of symmetry BECAUSE

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i don't fully comprehend where this whole team is going

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AND i don't get the. Vibe i'm not SURE i

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understand the vision. Here bringing In Bogdan bogdanovitch And mark

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Is smart indicates, yeah we're going for it. Now resigning

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Sorry easton means they're, short like shoring up like the wing.

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Depth that's. FINE i JUST i understand that they want to.

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WIN i don't see the pathway having improved significantly to doing.

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That So i'm just my need is an understanding of

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where this thing is. Going WHAT i, LIKE i can

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usulically why you don't, understand like what is the all?

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Right so they have durand was. Great he's also getting,

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older SO i don't think it's fair to continue to

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expect him to like stay at that, Level like even

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if he just notches down a little, bit that goes

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in the opposite. Direction shanguda's out a rim. Protector he's

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not necessarily a grace three point shooting. Either Fred nplie

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is coming off the Acl Jabari Smith junior finally showed

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us a little bit more THAN i. THOUGHT i think

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that he's done in recent, years but it didn't he

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didn't show at least me enough to Where i'm just

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circling him in for a consistent. Role eason we. SAW

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i Love Tar, Easton, however like EVEN i can admit

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that the shooting, variants this was just ridiculous last, Season

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like he came in and what hit like for no

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forty percent of his threes for like months and ended

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up thirty five percent on the year because he just something.

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Happened Aman, thompson again the shooting. CONCERNS i know your

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Boy Reed sheppard played a lot, better but he's still

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so small so he can be. Exploited So i'm just

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trying to, understand, like are they serious about wanting to

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win a? Title and if, so is this the? PATHWAY

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I that's What i'm confused, about because to, me this

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team just screams first round.

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Speaker 1: Exit they certainly have that floor just, because as you alluded,

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To durant is another year older AND i don't know

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how much less dependent on him they're gonna be with

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a healthy Van fleet and they do have his bow

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Down baldonovic gonna be healthy at. All this was a

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team that had its offensive, issues AND i don't think

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the only thing they've done to address them in theory

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is not trade Than fleet for pure. Defense Marcus smart's

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not gonna really to, me isn't gonna come in and

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make you a better floor spacing. Team he's not gonna help.

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You they were twenty eighth and turnover eight last. Year

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you're really relying On fred Van fleet to do a

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lot of. That they were nineteenth and half court efficiency last,

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00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,359
year seventeenth and first chance to. Offense that becomes more

473
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,640
problematic if you know how many minutes can you get

474
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,960
From Steven, adams who also finished the year. Injured and

475
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,039
there to your point About, durant their non durant players

476
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:57,240
were in the sixteenth percentile of catch and shoot three point.

477
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,400
EFFICIENCY i don't think just Having fred Van fleet changes.

478
00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,759
There AS i said, before they're spacing, materially and So

479
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,559
i'm probably with, YOU i would have liked to have seen,

480
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:08,920
Them i'm. NOT i Guess i'm not confused by their

481
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,799
direction because they do seem like they will.

482
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: Be they're still a pretty big.

483
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Team they should be really good, defensively but they don't

484
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:19,640
HAVE i don't necessarily understand the offensive theory yet of,

485
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,559
them and that that's certainly. Confusing and by the, way

486
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:26,480
they've also you Mentioned Reed. Sheppard we joke about how

487
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:29,880
MARRIED i am to his. Trajectory you now Have Marcus

488
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,759
smart and a Healthy fred Van. Fleet i'm very curious

489
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,720
to see what his spot in the rotation looks like

490
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,200
this upcoming. Season are we gonna see his opportunities WIN

491
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,480
o down a little? Bit and you, know you dig

492
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:42,440
into some of the numbers and he didn't necessarily uplift

493
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,279
them a ton, offensively but conceptually he's the exact type

494
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:50,160
of player that they, need or close to. It if

495
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,720
we go into the season and this is another team

496
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,799
where it's they don't even have the other thing. Too

497
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,400
they didn't get more like they have, athletes some athletes

498
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,279
on this, team but they're not getting out in transition

499
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,759
a ton having to rant coming in like that slows

500
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:04,480
you down even.

501
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: Further or even.

502
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: More excuse, me like is there can you have variants

503
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,200
in that where you play at a faster. TEMPO i

504
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,759
don't know that nothing they've done this. Offseason you can

505
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,319
sit here and, say, oh, yeah they'll definitely do. THAT

506
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,839
i need to see just more effective diversity and how

507
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480
their offense is run and if they if we don't see,

508
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:26,039
it or if this is a team where what you,

509
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,599
like what you seem concerned about where it's running in

510
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,480
the deadline and they're like they're sixth or their seventh

511
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,359
or their, eighth you gotta.

512
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: Do something this season that mighty.

513
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: Can't, well we're just gonna let the trade deadline come

514
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,640
to pass and see how it goes from. There nuclear

515
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,279
moves don't tend to happen in the middle of the.

516
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,920
Year but this is certainly a team THAT i don't

517
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,480
think it would take if you had a Healthy bogdanovich

518
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,680
or if you have The bogdanovic what three years ago or.

519
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,920
SOMETHING i feel their. Offense, yeah so it doesn't need

520
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,799
to be another star. Necessarily both you AND i were

521
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:02,119
against them getting in on the honest, sweepstakes but it

522
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,000
does as of right, now i'd BE i don't know

523
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,119
if i'd predict the first round. EXIT i haven't gone

524
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,440
through like that exercise. Enough this is A i would

525
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,640
there's a wildly imperfect offensive team right. Now, Yep i'm

526
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,680
gonna question from barkstale. Corners what would you guys do

527
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,279
if you were The? Rockets when do you press? Reset? Oh?

528
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: Wow? Eligible but by the, way, actually CAN i ask

529
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,839
you a? Question? Yeah Maybe i'm supposed to.

530
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: Memory have we ever gone this late without even hearing

531
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,160
a whisper of a rookie?

532
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: Extension we've got? None, no that's. True, no not Even july. Tenth,

533
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,720
no it does seem, late right.

534
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: Right Maybe i'm just, misremembering BUT i. Don't, NORMALLY i

535
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,720
feel as if some of them are agreed to right.

536
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:50,839
Speaker 2: Away it does feel like this is. Late, yes that's

537
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,039
a good, show But i'd LIKE i. DON'T i don't

538
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,200
want to hit the big red reset button, yet BUT i,

539
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,279
look If i'm a team AND i struggled to the

540
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,920
extent THAT i did in the regular season offensively, speaking

541
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,279
AND i go into the off season AND i ONLY

542
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,759
i get my injured player, back my insured point. Guard

543
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:12,799
but that injury is so substantial and he wasn't efficient

544
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,039
to begin with when he was. Healthy Like i'm not just,

545
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:19,880
saying oh, cool we're, Fine, LIKE i just think their

546
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,960
their lack of activity has been eye, opening, noteworthy whoever

547
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,839
you want to frame. It, wait so There's. Wenby Did

548
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,920
wemby just sign.

549
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:32,759
Speaker 1: As an extension as we were recording this or did

550
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:34,960
we miss it BEFORE i hopped? On like right, Now

551
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:37,799
wemby Tweeted spurs, Family i'm here.

552
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: To stay whatever it. Takes, Okay, OKAY i don't know.

553
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,599
What i'm not seeing any news of a deal. Though,

554
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,799
no you can probably, imagine right what would you if

555
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:52,359
he took a pay?

556
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: Cut that's what that tweet was. About that'd Be i'd

557
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,000
be against, it BUT i would.

558
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: Imagine but could you imagine like twenty million years some

559
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,839
sicko just, like.

560
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: Well, no you can, no But i'd Be i'd be

561
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,000
incensed because they went and they saw Did Tobias harris

562
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:15,920
was their big move then Knowing wemby was gonna be

563
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,480
super cheap for the new three or four. Years, yeah,

564
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,279
no i'd Be i'd be. Incensed that's a really good.

565
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,799
Speaker 2: Point, okay all, Right, Wemby so we got that, one

566
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,839
did we just? Speaking and you're first of All spurs,

567
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,240
fans you're.

568
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Welcome but second of, all maybe there was unless maybe

569
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,000
we missed it was. There, Oh wemby's gonna want out or,

570
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,519
something which would be a while that we hear breaking.

571
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,799
News victor Wem yama doesn't seem like he's requesting a

572
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,599
trade from The. SPURS i know that's going to shock shock,

573
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,160
everybody and The rockets will probably be wildly. Disappointed but,

574
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,960
YEAH I. Houston their offense of structure still confused.

575
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Me it's. There they might they could.

576
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,319
Speaker 1: Be you could tell me they win like fifty seven

577
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,839
games and it wouldn't shock. Me AND i would still

578
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:00,640
sit there and, SAY i don't trust them to win

579
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:02,759
more than a playoff.

580
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: Series with the way that they're.

581
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Built like their playoff offense right now feels as if

582
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,480
it would be way too dependent On. Durant you're kind

583
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:13,759
of banking on internal development from someone or internal, improvement

584
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:17,160
AND i don't is that Men, thompson does he suddenly

585
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,720
have more range on the offensive. End is?

586
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: It is, It Reed?

587
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,799
Speaker 1: Shepherd is It Albert shangun is just better this. Year

588
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:33,119
i'm open to some of those developments taking, place but, yeah.

589
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,839
Speaker 2: It needs to be a big improvement for, me for

590
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,440
For shangun at this. Point, LIKE i do think he's

591
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,119
extraordinary at what he, does BUT i think the things

592
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:45,720
that he doesn't do are becoming a. Problem like just

593
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,720
he's not a good, defender especially in. Space we know

594
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,400
that the like the rebounding is, fine it's not a.

595
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:57,200
Lead so we're looking at someone who doesn't really necessarily

596
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,599
finish defensive possessions at a great. Rate, Like i'm not

597
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,000
down on him by interest of the. IMAGINATION i was

598
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,119
in fact extremely high on him coming into the draft

599
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,480
in twenty twenty. One but we're now Five. Houston oh

600
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:16,440
Oh so From Jake? Fisher? Wow how DID i this is?

601
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,039
From is this From Jue? Okay Jake? Fisher?

602
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Uh there has been word this morning In Las vegas

603
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,640
That Victor mmiehwa's considering signing less than his maximum rookie

604
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,720
scale extension to Provide San antonio with greater.

605
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: Flexibility kidding, ME.

606
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: I that is, uh that's just, like that's the this

607
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,839
is the part of a player's career in which they

608
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:39,799
should not be Taking how did this.

609
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,119
Speaker 2: Is From july? Tenth?

610
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: At what is something that doesn't make? Sense this is

611
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,880
so bizarre to. Me it's saying six thirty seven, pm

612
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,960
but it's not six thirty seven pm my time On july,

613
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,440
tenth just, Yet so It's I'm i'm very.

614
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: Confused it's. Real i've got The i've actually got the

615
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,920
link to the. STORY i was about to, say make

616
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:05,240
sure you're not getting. Hoodwinked, Yeah i'm. Not i'm not on.

617
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,160
BOARD i, mean if he does, IT i guess more

618
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,559
power to.

619
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,599
Speaker 1: Him but that's a slippery slope because this would be

620
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,680
the time of a player's career where they shouldn't be

621
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,119
taking a pay cut because they're what they provide on

622
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,480
the court is absolutely going to be worth max. Value

623
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:23,359
And i'm, Sorry, like how much Does Victor webbeny Like Tobias,

624
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,559
HARRIS i, like if that if you knew wemb was

625
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,400
gonna Take. WEST i have to assume that this isn't

626
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,559
breaking news to The spurs.

627
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Unless something is uh in the works.

628
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,359
Speaker 1: That is, true that everything could BE. Tvd this IS

629
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,839
i did. NOT i, AM i didn't see this coming.

630
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Yet we're both speaking.

631
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: Into existence that he would get an extension and that

632
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,480
he would take a pay.

633
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: CUT i don't think we spoken into existence because it

634
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,160
look looks like it's been out there AND i just

635
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,079
missed it, somehow which is very strange to.

636
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: Me All, Right, no, look we need to go to

637
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,519
the REAL gm wire chap because like they have everything

638
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:02,839
And i'm not seeing anything about. This oh, no he's he.

639
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,559
Speaker 1: Tweeted Jay fisher tweeted this eight minutes. Ago, OKAY i

640
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:08,200
don't feel as.

641
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: Bad that's still.

642
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: SHOCKING i just assumed the conversation, was to, me was

643
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480
always gonna be did he get the fifty year player?

644
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:17,640
Up we knew he was gonna thought he was gonna

645
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,160
get the ALL nba Escal but if that's what this,

646
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,160
IS i don't.

647
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,119
Speaker 2: That is still pretty big.

648
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,559
Speaker 1: Sacrifice, actually what if he just signs for The Straight

649
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,519
max with No ALL nba escalator?

650
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,359
Speaker 2: Language how pissed With Jalen durham be at him, like,

651
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:35,200
bro you have the escalator, language you can use, it

652
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,200
AND i, do but no one wants.

653
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Me this IS i do think it would set a.

654
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,039
Day this is we're so far afield from The. Rockets

655
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,759
BUT i do think this would set a dangerous or

656
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,079
an uncomfortable precedent for just because you can't get Like

657
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Victor Webbin yama is the best player in the world

658
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,599
maybe right, now and so if he's taking less, money

659
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,759
what are like that's a pretty big negotiator point for

660
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,680
teams in the. Future for you're sitting there forget About

661
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,480
joe And, durham But i'm On thompson right. Now we

662
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,839
know The rockets are going to. Negotiate, that's by the,

663
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:09,720
way The rockets do.

664
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,839
Speaker 2: This really well from a team. Perspective they negotiate with.

665
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,079
Speaker 1: Everything you look at all the rookie deals right down

666
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:16,480
To Tara easan's the.

667
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:16,799
Speaker 2: One they just.

668
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Signed that's basically the mid level per. Year teams like,

669
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,720
that they're gonna negotiate even harder With. Saya i'm And

670
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:27,279
thompson wee we didn't even take the ALL nba escalator.

671
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,000
Language we're not gonna give you anything close to the.

672
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: Max it's funny because on A danish pod about a year,

673
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:39,039
AGO i was talking to a friend about this where

674
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,799
we basically, said at some point a euro dude is

675
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,039
going to come in and just SAY i don't care

676
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,559
about the, money because that is such a mentality over,

677
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,680
here like especially in The EuroLeague, Format like there are

678
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,759
so many guys who just take less to make sure

679
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,720
that everyone gets a big piece of the. Pie and

680
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:58,200
we're just basically, saying, look so many of These european

681
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,119
players that get over to THE, nba they just say oh,

682
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,240
okay like they don't know about the salary cab like

683
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,599
they take the contract that's being offered and because the agent, says,

684
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,639
yeah do. It but for the few ones that, understand,

685
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,559
NO i can actually help my. Team i'm just not

686
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,159
surprised it had to happen, Eventually like we were sitting

687
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:19,119
there talking about we actually thought it'd Be. Luca so,

688
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,199
yeah this is the thing.

689
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,519
Speaker 1: Apparently parksdale corner of the comment says that My San

690
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,360
antonio is reporting it'll be the largest contract In spurs,

691
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,559
history and The escalator language will be.

692
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: A part of.

693
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,159
Speaker 1: It even if The escalator language isn't a part of,

694
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,480
IT i would, argue, so what is this projected to?

695
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: Be five?

696
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: Years this is the like the twenty five percent max

697
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,199
be five, years two hundred and fifty plus, million that's

698
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,719
gonna be the biggest contract In spurs history as, WELL

699
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,280
i would sure Argue i'm really fascinated to see how

700
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,599
THAT i did not have this on My bengo. CARD

701
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,360
i thought maybe would he get a player? Option and

702
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,920
you're follow it was like my big.

703
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: Question and once, again, sir our program is being interrupted

704
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,360
by breaking. News love.

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Speaker 1: It so this is the time we found the magic

706
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,559
spot where if you guys WANT nba slop we need

707
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:06,039
to record.

708
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,079
Speaker 2: It, wait what time is it In? Denmark so eight

709
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Pm denmark? Time two? Pm, yeah almost time.

710
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Speaker 1: Time, WOW i DID i at least The kawhi, stuff

711
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,199
knowing the background of it. Was it was, shocking but

712
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,800
it was also, okay this is JUST i did not

713
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:24,920
have this on My bengo.

714
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Speaker 2: Card AS i, said, no let's move let's move on.

715
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Speaker 1: Though i'm gonna. Go i'm gonna go a little bit

716
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off the beaten path. Here it's The Memphis grizzlies more

717
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AND i can talk about some maybe prototypes that they,

718
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,760
need but WHAT i think they really need is roster.

719
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,199
Space they have twenty players under contract right, now not

720
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,360
a problem for the, offseason but you're gonna have to

721
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,159
trim that down to fifteen. EVENTUALLY i don't know how.

722
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,559
THAT i, MEAN kcp feels like the low hanging. Fruit

723
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,239
they'll negotiate a buy out with. HIM i assume after

724
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,800
that it's you could just talk yourself.

725
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: Into, it not necessarily everyone on the.

726
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,599
Speaker 1: Roster but they're not gonna just Wave Jeremy grant as an,

727
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:09,000
example right and sos who ends up being they odd

728
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,719
man out? Here we Know Cam, Boozer Cedric, Coward Zach,

729
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,039
EDY Jn. Wells that's kind of just the. Core they

730
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:18,880
just Got Kareem. Lopez they Signed Quinton, posts so he's

731
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not going?

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Speaker 2: Anywhere is?

733
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Speaker 1: This do they get rid Of Chris? Murray that would

734
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,719
be a NAME Aj. JOHNSON i guess those guys feel.

735
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,639
Expendable d low is.

736
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:30,599
Speaker 2: Expectable is pretty safe bed AND i misspoke.

737
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Speaker 1: YESTERDAY i made it seem like he was going back

738
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,679
to The. MAVERICKS i just found it funny that him

739
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:36,840
And Chris middleton were involved in the same trade. Again

740
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SO i guess you can get to expendable players pretty.

741
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:45,800
Quickly my question would, be how are you getting rid of?

742
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Them are there other are you including seconds for someone

743
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,599
to take on D? Lo does someone just take On

744
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,079
Chris murray for. Free uh if you're looking AT i,

745
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MEAN cacp has to be a. Buyout no one's taking

746
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,159
on that money unless you're taking someone, out like taking

747
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,440
back worse Like Christian brown as an.

748
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Speaker 2: Example.

749
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Speaker 1: Maybe So i'm very curiously how they create the necessary roster.

750
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SPACE i will, say even though they Have Cam boozer

751
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:16,239
as well As Scottie Pippen Junior Cam, Spencer Ty, jerome

752
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And Walter clayton to, Evaluate i'm not sure this team

753
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,719
has like a a level passer on it at the, moment,

754
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,159
Agree and so that would be something if they were,

755
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all we want to go out and fill this need

756
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,679
or get a higher end flyer here to evaluate against the,

757
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,760
future maybe it would be.

758
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: That but they just have a lot of guys on

759
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,840
this team right. Now literally they have too many. Guys,

760
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YEAH i mean this might actually be an interesting destination

761
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,199
for players on very large contracts that the teams that

762
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,880
sign them to him are like. Hesitant i'm not going

763
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,079
to say necessarily Darn fox Because memphis would also have

764
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,360
to like take on that, deal, right but, like if

765
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they're struggling to get off, guys they need to consolidate

766
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,639
to a certain, extent that could be something, like we

767
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,760
just have to identify the teams that don't have a

768
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,639
lot of players on their roster.

769
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: Currently yeah that or just like have these needs that

770
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could be filled by one Of memphis's, RIGHT i JUST

771
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,559
i wonder they just have so many guys and like

772
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,440
who is like who is off limits on this? Team Cam,

773
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,800
Boozer Cedria, Coward Zach edy is definitely off. Limits Jalen

774
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wells is probably off.

775
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Speaker 2: Limits should he?

776
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Speaker 1: BE i mean should HE i doubt he's like on

777
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the most, Untouchable BUT i would Say Cedria, Coward Cam,

778
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:41,280
boozer And Zach edy are most likely the guys they

779
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view is?

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Speaker 2: There, yeah, CORPS i agree with. THAT i think that's

781
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a fair.

782
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Speaker 1: Assumption IF i had to, Guess i'm gonna just take

783
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a stab at the. Five how they get to the

784
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five roster? SPOTS i think D LO KCP A. J.

785
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Johnson that's. Three, Uh i'm gonna Throw Chris murray in,

786
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,280
there and Then i'm gonna SAY i need one. MORE

787
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i don't think this is gonna mean maybe it's like

788
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one of the cheaper, guys like A mayshak Or Javon.

789
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SMALL i don't know who the fifth player is gonna be.

790
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Speaker 2: More, YEAH i. CAN'T i can't pick. IT i don't.

791
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KNOW i don't have a good fifth player. Here did

792
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you Say olivia Max mexican's Prosper, NO i.

793
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Speaker 1: DIDN'T i felt like he had some good minutes for.

794
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Them but that would be the.

795
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Speaker 2: Do you have like? That? Yeah BUT i mean it was, LIKE.

796
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Speaker 1: I feel like what a, team the team would give

797
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you something For Gigi? Jackson, right maybe it would be,

798
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:47,280
him like just to capitalize that. Value what happened, There,

799
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well he got injured the two years ago and that

800
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:52,159
seemed to throw throw them.

801
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Speaker 2: Off, yeah, yeah that's their. Need they need roster, SPACE

802
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i think.

803
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Speaker 1: It i'm just curious how they end up creating that

804
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,000
roster space because of who you think is? Leaving is

805
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it are we is it more trades or are they just

806
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,079
buying out guys because there are.

807
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Speaker 2: On a more of a gradual.

808
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Speaker 1: Timeline but that AND i wouldn't mind seeing some higher

809
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end passing in. There who do you want to talk about?

810
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Speaker 2: Next, oh let's go to The. Lakers, okay what's the biggest?

811
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Need that's a really good. Question we can talk about

812
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defense all day, long which we probably, should but, yeah

813
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should we have do we have to go back to

814
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like the? Wing well, AGAIN i think we, do Because.

815
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Speaker 1: Jonathan kaminga doesn't feel that to, You i'm on the.

816
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ANSWER i like, him.

817
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Speaker 2: But, no, no not. Really AND i don't like the

818
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idea of going With Jared vanderbilt at the three for

819
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long stretches. Either that doesn't sound like. Fun dulton connects not,

820
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Really SO i think a real three could be interesting,

821
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there especially someone who's more two way. Inclined i'm Guessing

822
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Quinn rives is going to play there a. Lot i'm

823
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Guessing Jake, Larabia Cameron, CARR i, guess but it just

824
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,840
all seems so uninspiring at that. Position like, OVERALL i

825
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,320
actually think The lakers did well in free agency and

826
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in the summer at. LARGE i do, KNOW i know

827
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they gave up everything For.

828
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Speaker 1: Walker well it's not even, THAT i, mean it is

829
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THAT i Don't The Walker kessler contract to me is ultimately.

830
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Fine giving up control for first round picks to to

831
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outright two swaps.

832
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Speaker 2: Is a big.

833
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Speaker 1: Deal BUT i look at what some of all these

834
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:45,280
other teams negotiated team options on their, deals or you

835
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,960
saw where And Anfrey simons went For but you were

836
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,119
like but you spent what you did On Colin.

837
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: SEXTON i Thought MoMu was a.

838
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: Slight overpay for what this roster, needed unless you trust

839
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,559
him to log a lot of backup five, minutes Which.

840
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you.

841
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Speaker 1: Do if you just Shipped DeAndre ayton off To, WASHINGTON

842
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,800
i think you. SO i really don't think that they had.

843
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,320
THAT i wasn't thrilled with their process over the. OFFSEASON

844
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,280
i think the, talent for the most, part can compliment one.

845
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,880
Another i'm going to be even more. Confused there's the

846
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,199
report that they're willing to give up the twenty thirty

847
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,239
two swap to facilitate a sign and trade that would

848
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,679
Use Jared vanderbilt to Get Jonathan. Kaminga and so it's all,

849
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,559
right you get off the two guaranteed years Of Jared,

850
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,480
vanderbilt but it costs you a twenty thirty two. Swap

851
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:30,760
how high are we On Jonathan kaminga in an offense

852
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,400
that already Has luca And, reeves, who, yes make life

853
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,119
easier on, Everybody BUT i think you need someone who

854
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,360
wants their life to be made. Easier And i've Just

855
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:42,880
Jonathan diminga has never felt like that type of a

856
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,320
complimentary player to, me.

857
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: Right, no he's someone you need to build, around or

858
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:51,199
at least playing, around to make sure that he's. Optimized you're,

859
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,920
RIGHT i don't disagree with. THAT i will, say, though

860
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,159
The Kaminka luca, Connection i'm not out on. IT i

861
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:01,440
could see a pathway for that to.

862
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,639
Speaker 1: Work sure is it worth a twenty thirty two swap

863
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,360
your last like enticing great?

864
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,639
Speaker 2: Ship you know?

865
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: What?

866
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i think it. IS i like him and,

867
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,079
GUY i like it more than you than you, do

868
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,800
and that's. FAIR i understand why you're low on him

869
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,880
BECAUSE i see the issues. TOO i, Do but he's so.

870
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,599
Young he only spent half a year with that In,

871
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:33,280
atlanta after getting just out of that situation In Golden.

872
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,360
STATE i think he needs to find somewhere to, land

873
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,639
like mentally. Land and if that's The, lakers all, Right,

874
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,480
YEAH i. DON'T i just.

875
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,199
Speaker 1: DON'T i haven't seen enough from him to make me

876
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,760
think that he would be okay being the third wheel

877
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,559
in the offense then defending hard enough to justify playing

878
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,440
him at the, three LIKE i, mean he could play

879
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,840
plenty of. Four there is the shooting good enough in that,

880
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,599
spot BUT i think you hit it on the now

881
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,719
with uh berserk, monk my bed, guys My, toddler grab my.

882
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,840
Phone i'm okay the chap berserk. Monk, yeah that's. Great

883
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,599
could they make the money work FOR. Kcp this is

884
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,559
From joyanne sw maybe move some pieces for him And?

885
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,920
JACKSON i actually have SO i have a list of

886
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,519
targets here for The. Lakers Gig jackson is on that

887
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,639
list for. Me so they could certainly make the money

888
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,119
work for him because he's so. CHEAP kcp would be.

889
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,559
Tougher you would Need memphis already has too many, bodies

890
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:35,639
but you. Would it would need to Be, Laavia Jared

891
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,920
vanderbilt and, yeah it would have to be a three

892
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,320
for ONE i think to get you, There and so

893
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,559
then another team probably needs to come, involved SO i

894
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,000
Don't Maybe memphis is willing to do that like a

895
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:49,400
twenty thirty, two BUT i don't WANT kcp for my

896
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,800
twenty thirty. Two i'd rather go up on twenty thirty,

897
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,840
two swap FOR h For Jonathan aminga THAN. KCP ksep

898
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,440
could be a nice buyout target out for.

899
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,199
Speaker 2: Them he would fit into that makeup of that team for. Sure.

900
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah and by the, WAY i like The grime signing

901
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,159
the contract, is you, know four years for SIXTY i

902
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:12,360
think is, fine and he replaces functionally a lot of

903
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,880
What Marcus smart could do. Defensively neither one of them

904
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,800
are going to defend like a ton of, wings though if,

905
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,000
Anything grimes probably at least relative to last, Season grimes

906
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,760
did that more. Often BUT i think they need to

907
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,960
go get somebody who's capable of doing that and won't

908
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960
torpedo the, offense or they're capable of doing. That maybe

909
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,679
they do torpedo the, offense but they're just so good on.

910
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,320
Defense NAMES i have listed here Justin, Champenni Ryan dunn

911
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:40,760
fly around him.

912
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:43,039
Speaker 2: Maybe oh that'd be. Fun, yeah do they have Any

913
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:44,199
do they have enough to get Herb?

914
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: Jones probably not right, contractually so it's like the contract

915
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,440
they could match pretty. Easily, yeah, yeah but, ASSETS i don't,

916
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,559
Know like it would be the twenty thirty two swap

917
00:45:58,599 --> 00:45:59,440
And Brandon.

918
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: Carr negotiating With Joe dumars and his.

919
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:08,079
Speaker 1: Team would you do forget that this doesn't probably save

920
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,280
The nuggets enough, money but you're involving other? Teams would

921
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,000
you Do van Do, Oh Jake laavia And Jaden hardy

922
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,519
For Christian.

923
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:22,599
Speaker 2: Brown, YEAH i THINK i. WOULD i THINK i would

924
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:27,519
because we saw a bad year From Christian brown last,

925
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:33,760
season but the year, BEFORE i, mean he was ridiculously.

926
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,599
FISHING i thought he had such a good understanding of shot,

927
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:42,000
selection time and, Score like there's a real he didn't

928
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,559
walk into fifty eight percent from the. Field it. Was

929
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:47,880
he was very calculative in terms of like how he

930
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,239
scored when he started, driving like when he initiated certain.

931
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,840
Things and he just lost that this past season for

932
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:59,519
reasons that are completely unknown to. ME i don't think

933
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,760
it's injury. Related only something happened And i'm just not

934
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,960
ready to write them off after one bad, year.

935
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: Which is WHY i wonder if The nuggets that, type

936
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,320
let's say that you were even able to reroute two

937
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,800
of those. SALARIES i wonder if The nuggets even, that

938
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,119
are they at the point where they just want to

939
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:20,039
get rid of? HIM i, mean his to his two

940
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,719
point percentage was in the gutter Without yokas last, year

941
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,320
it dropped by thirty three points When jokic was off the.

942
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:25,639
Speaker 2: Floor.

943
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:30,039
Speaker 1: Insane, Yeah Isaaca korro would be another. One could you

944
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,280
get The bulls to take On? Vanderbilt you probably want

945
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,480
someone who could defend up a little bit more than A,

946
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:36,280
koro but he'd be nifty.

947
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,599
Speaker 2: Here but those are the Guys i've.

948
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: Listed hark w Hot hogs says or who Goes, hark who?

949
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,599
Goes excuse? Me The lakers are a forty five win.

950
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,719
Team i'm not even that low on. Them if They're

951
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,800
if they win that, AMOUNT i assume That Austin reeves

952
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,119
end Or luca has missed a bunch of.

953
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: Time yeah, Again, uh it's on.

954
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,679
Speaker 1: Me, yeah you picked The, lakers so it would be my.

955
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,599
Turn where do a high want to go?

956
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: To now.

957
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,679
Speaker 1: Let's go To, Okay, See i'm not gonna say they

958
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,599
need to get out of the second, apron because guess what,

959
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:12,920
more they have the, ability they have the option not

960
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,800
getting out of the second.

961
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: Apron they need like a shooter with.

962
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: Size they there and they'll be good defensively, regardless they'll be.

963
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,840
Great they could do nothing and they might just win the.

964
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,320
Title so this is not to say THAT i think

965
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,280
it's a fatal, flaw but they just don't have that

966
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:36,239
like combo wing sized. Shooter and from a volume, Perspective

967
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,199
chet's just not If, yeah he's playing a bunch of.

968
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: FOUR i get.

969
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: That so that's why that's part of why you can

970
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:44,840
your roster can be. Built the way it is is

971
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,400
you just have these two giants And hartenstein And, chet

972
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,559
and Then Jay will could play with either of, them

973
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,440
and now you have a DeMar to bake in. There

974
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,480
But chet at under six threes per one hundred possessions

975
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:58,199
is just not cutting. It and SO i think they

976
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,239
need A they don't the salary structure to make this,

977
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,079
work but like they need Their Cam johnson or even

978
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,599
they need Their Sam. Hauser to, me it can be

979
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,519
someone who's not like what If Isaiah joe was just

980
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,440
a few inches taller than twenty pounds heavier or. Something

981
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,480
they need someone to me along those.

982
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: Lines, YEAH i very much. Agree shooting is the one

983
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,960
thing that sticks. Out you said shooting with. SIZE i

984
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,440
don't disagree with. THAT i would EVEN i would even

985
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,760
be fine with shooting without. Size you're just the floor

986
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,280
spacers at this, point like, YOU i do not trust

987
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,960
them as a three point shooting team at this. Point

988
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,639
at this, STAGE i think they were too financially motivated this.

989
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,760
SUMMER i don't trust Lou dort as a. Shooter why

990
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,679
WOULD I. Nicoltachopitch even if he's gonna, play he was

991
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,119
never built as a long range. Shooter thomas soorbers like

992
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,679
mostly an interior guy Like jared McCain is the guy

993
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,400
who has to come in and say all of The

994
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,559
Isaiah joe minutes and like absorbing his own for that,

995
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:06,280
matter and just say all, Right i'm gunning. This i'm

996
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,320
absolutely gunning. This i'm, Good i'm playing twenty minutes and

997
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,519
He's jack ten. Three. YEAH i mean he has.

998
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: That he does like to get into the in between,

999
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,280
stuff of, course but he.

1000
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: Does he's the closest.

1001
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:21,639
Speaker 1: On this team to having that in him now That

1002
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:23,920
Isaiah joe and Even Aaron wiggins are, gone as well

1003
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,320
as Something Aaron wiggins could at least in, theory do

1004
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,920
uh Berserk monk, says why don't The thunder just pet

1005
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,000
overpay For Trey. Murphy it's a good question that they

1006
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,840
were really going for. It it would be they have the

1007
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,280
salaries to make the math. Work BUT i don't think.

1008
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,800
YOU i think they want to get out of the.

1009
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,079
Set this is the PROBLEM i run into with them

1010
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,519
IS i would still be very shocked if they don't

1011
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,719
get out of the second apron and so it's tough

1012
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,199
to build scenarios where they would get A Trey murphy

1013
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,760
and then they're actually shedding money, overall like before the

1014
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,360
end of the, year joy anew, says If mara is

1015
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,599
good right, away do you think about Moving hartenstein at

1016
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:03,639
the deadline for a Wing, ooh, yes, YES i guess.

1017
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,559
Yes but after he signed, THAT i thought it was

1018
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,480
going to take them a fourth year to lock him.

1019
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,079
Down if he was taking a pay, CUT i, WONDER

1020
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:12,719
i wonder how that would fly behind the, scenes or

1021
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,599
maybe the market just wasn't there for. Him but If

1022
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,679
Walker kessler got four for one, thirty you would think

1023
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,559
that there might have been even a sign in trade

1024
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,920
market For Isaiah hartenstein in.

1025
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: The neighborhood of. That, yeah but.

1026
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: Yet that would Be, Hartnerstein Like hartnerstein For Trey murphy

1027
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,159
is like a, structure and then you include picks To New.

1028
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: Orleans that's not. Bad that'd be. INTERESTING i, mean of,

1029
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,639
course do you trust that gap being left By? Hartenstein

1030
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:42,760
do you trust that to go to Chet holkren in the?

1031
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,800
Playoffs because, WELL.

1032
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: I guess that's the, Question like joy, ansaying If mara

1033
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,199
is good right, away but, yeah you would have to

1034
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,079
do you trust him in the playoffs as.

1035
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:52,639
Speaker 2: Well that's.

1036
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: It hartstein's probably for a team that Has, Chet And

1037
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,039
i'm not this isn't meant to be perjoradive To chet.

1038
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,119
NECESSARILY i think The pendulums one way too far after

1039
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:06,440
the way the playoffs ended to. Me but Like hartsta

1040
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,880
is probably too important to this team for as much

1041
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,039
down as they have on, it if you really start

1042
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:11,920
to think about.

1043
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:16,039
Speaker 2: It, YEP i agree he. IS I, look if they

1044
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,159
don't have the, shooting the defense is going to be extra,

1045
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,000
important Right. Like that's that you have to weigh and

1046
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,119
balance things, out and if you're lacking in one, department

1047
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,199
you need to be damn sure your lead in. Another.

1048
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,320
YEAH i, look, OVERALL i don't think the thunder are

1049
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:36,199
standing as strong as they were last year because of

1050
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,559
the shooting issues right. NOW i am frankly not that

1051
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:44,119
in love with their roster right, now not compared to

1052
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:48,079
last year at least Yet, still obviously they could have

1053
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,840
a cake walk towards the. Finals everything like failed right

1054
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,000
but or fell. Right but, NO i think they have

1055
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,800
a legitimate need, here legit need for. Shooting, YEAH i

1056
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,440
would say it's a legit.

1057
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: NEED i think they would probably be less inclined to

1058
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,000
feel that way, though because they could just, say, well

1059
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,079
we're gonna Have Jalen williams this year mostly A j

1060
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:08,679
Dow and.

1061
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:11,199
Speaker 2: So that's the think about they were so.

1062
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,119
Speaker 1: Banged he was banged up by The, like you're dealing

1063
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:16,559
with that all year through the playoffs and you still

1064
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,440
made it To game seven against The wemby Led. Spurs

1065
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,360
i'm still waiting for That wemby pay cut to come

1066
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,199
through and keep checking my.

1067
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: Phone, yeah same where we. Go we are going To,

1068
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:33,559
utah and my big question here is the center. POSITION

1069
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:37,800
i don't know if it's IT'S i would need per,

1070
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,039
se but, LIKE i just need to know who's gonna

1071
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,400
rebound the fucking. POLL i need to know who will

1072
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,320
finish defensive. Possessions SO i want to get this out

1073
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,360
of the way Because i'm harsh On Jared Jackson. JUNIOR

1074
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,840
i do think he's a great. DEFENDER i do think

1075
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,760
he is such an acid on that end of the.

1076
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,239
Floor but you, can and we've seen him do this

1077
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,639
multiple times during his career In, memphis where he will

1078
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,079
play great defense forty to twenty four seconds and then

1079
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:11,079
when the ball's up, there we go relinquish the, rebound

1080
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:16,280
and that just negates the level of defensive activity that

1081
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,280
we've seen from. Him SO i just want them to

1082
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,199
be sure that they have someone who they can put

1083
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,679
alongside him to, say all, right this dude is just

1084
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,920
going to go grab that goddamn ball after you have

1085
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:32,519
played terrific defense for a full shot. Clock and is

1086
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,400
that use Of nurkic, Maybe LIKE i don't know what

1087
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,599
they're planning to, do is jaring the four lord the

1088
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,440
three and use Of nurkic like in theory the starting five?

1089
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:47,360
MAN i probably, Not but LIKE, I i just need

1090
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,559
to know that they have a plan to finish defensive.

1091
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,400
POSSESSIONS i think that's a need right.

1092
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,599
Speaker 1: NOW i think the center, spot you could argue is

1093
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:58,199
just a need in. General is that if you just

1094
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,239
want someone better Than nurkic Or. Hayes i'm at your. Concerned,

1095
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,920
though even if you're gonna Start, nurkic who does give

1096
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,079
you a presence on the defensive, Class like you, SAID

1097
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,199
i would assume you're not closing many games with any

1098
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:12,960
one other Than TRIPLE j at the, Five and so

1099
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,320
that's where it comes. In even if You're i'm fine

1100
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,119
With larry marketing when it comes to, rebounding but from

1101
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:20,400
there it's are you getting it from the? Wings is

1102
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,360
that it Is Ace, Bailey, Keyante George Darren peterson leveling

1103
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,480
you up. There they have the their salary structure right

1104
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,360
now with the trade, deadline When nurkic himself could be,

1105
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,559
traded they they might have some opportunities open. Up, otherwise

1106
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,000
right now they're kind of trafficking. In it would have

1107
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,360
to be like middle rung, options but they could go

1108
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,800
out and be a right like right this. Second A

1109
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,679
Musa diabat suitor is a name that we've, mentioned a

1110
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,800
ton As charlotte willing to pay, him could you GET

1111
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,719
i guess rebounding, Though Like i'm sure we Mentioned. Hartenstein

1112
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,639
that'd be a Good hartenstein team, midseason but they're already

1113
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,679
getting super expensive on the front. Line Would Jay will

1114
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,159
do enough of that for you if The thunder are

1115
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:03,000
looking to cut money that?

1116
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: Way?

1117
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah SO i, YEAH i.

1118
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't know what the center target for them would,

1119
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,639
be just because they'd be in a weird salary structure with,

1120
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,599
it and you can find. Bigs but then you have to, ask,

1121
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:20,840
oh do they do enough of the rebounding stuff that

1122
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,079
mort is outlining at this. MOMENT i also another NEED

1123
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,599
i had for them was do they have enough like

1124
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,719
on ball perimeter defense here when you start to go

1125
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,679
through their their, ROSTER i, think as of right, now

1126
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,119
there's a lot on the shoulders of A Darren peterson

1127
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,559
and Or Ace. Bailey and that's, again both of those

1128
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,679
two could turn out to be just like long, TERM

1129
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,199
i don't have like huge questions about them, defensively but

1130
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,559
when you're, like right, now it's who's your most important

1131
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,920
perimeter defender or non big, defender is? It is it

1132
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:58,320
like it could Be Cody williams might be the answer

1133
00:56:58,559 --> 00:56:58,960
for all we.

1134
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 2: Know always getting back To Cody, williams your former number?

1135
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,519
One was it your top top pick back?

1136
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,159
Speaker 1: THEN i think he was number one or two on

1137
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:10,320
my big board because that was The Reed shepherd, draft wasn't.

1138
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,840
It SO i might have bumped Down Cody williams to

1139
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,199
two at that, POINT.

1140
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: I might have had Read shepherd number. Two i'd have

1141
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,599
to go back and. Check and they, do they.

1142
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: Do they did Sign Josha, kogi so that helps a little.

1143
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,599
Bit but and what you get into with this team,

1144
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,039
now which is very interesting to say about a squad

1145
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:30,880
that yes they were, tanking so it was by, Design

1146
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,960
but you don't really say this about a team that

1147
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,559
isn't coming off a really good. Season the bar to

1148
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,760
crack one of their core units is incredibly.

1149
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,159
Speaker 2: High.

1150
00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:43,159
Speaker 1: Now it's not as high as when they Had Walker,

1151
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:46,480
kessler of, course but it's like in a in a core,

1152
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:50,280
lineup four of the spots could just be gone right,

1153
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,320
now or they are gone with Keyante George Darren, Peterson Jared, Jackson,

1154
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,599
Junior larry Market in and so to be that like

1155
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,000
the fifth guy might just Be Ace. Bailey and so

1156
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,480
whatever improvement you're, making you're making it, knowing, well is

1157
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,599
this player gonna close games for? Us and if the answers,

1158
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:06,360
no how much are you willing to give up to

1159
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,960
go to go get? Him which is Why Joshua kogie

1160
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,199
signing and bringing Back, nurkic you, know to like talk

1161
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,559
about both of the needs that we. Outlined that's why

1162
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,360
it might make sense in their, minds because why are

1163
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,760
you gonna go out there and expend that Like Max

1164
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,960
christy would be that it was a trade TARGET i

1165
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,239
had for this team would have been, interesting but what

1166
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,639
he closed for them would be because if he's, Not

1167
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:27,960
Thence bailey's. Not if he's, closing Then Ace bailey's not,

1168
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,199
closing Or Darren peterson's not. Closing, yeah uh, utah was

1169
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:36,280
you excuse? Me So i'm gonna, Go, yes it is

1170
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:36,639
up to.

1171
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,519
Speaker 2: Me. Uh feeling the pressure here right. Now let's go To.

1172
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:45,119
Phoenix LET'S.

1173
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't like this team as as much AS i

1174
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,760
LIKE i didn't like them going into last, season and

1175
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,280
they proved me. Wrong so there's that they were, fun,

1176
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:03,239
scrappy the offensive, rebounding the defensive. EFFORT I, Miles miles,

1177
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:05,599
bridges if you can give up a twenty thirty three

1178
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,639
unprotected first round pick for someone with who pleaded no

1179
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:11,800
contests to three felony domestic violence charges and what was

1180
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:12,199
that twenty?

1181
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: Two, yeah when you have the opportunity that you definitely

1182
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,159
have to do.

1183
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: It but even moving on and a terrible, segue but

1184
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,039
moving on from the morality of it, ALL i don't

1185
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:24,960
know how much he actively upgrades the basketball team in

1186
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,239
a talent in a talent, vacuum maybe going From Grayson

1187
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,519
allen And roy O'Neil to, Him but you lost a

1188
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:36,440
lot of floor. Spacing in that, trade you maybe gained

1189
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,679
or you did gain some rim, pressure but now you're

1190
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:42,559
losing a ton of off ball option. Out like just

1191
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:44,760
look at the guys on this roster that would now

1192
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,679
prefer to operate with the ball in their. Hands Devin,

1193
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:50,840
booker WHO i, have no he'll be a, Passer like

1194
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:52,679
if he has to be a playmaker, first he'll do.

1195
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:55,159
It So i'm not concerned About Devin. Booker but you

1196
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:59,119
do Have Devin, booker you Have Jalen, green you Have Dylan,

1197
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:02,239
brooks and now you Have Miles bridges and so it's

1198
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,559
just it's it's. Weird and so bring In. Lukenard that'll

1199
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,280
help with some of the force basing a little. Bit

1200
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,719
but there's also aside From Devin, booker like your playmakers

1201
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:17,880
are him And Colin, gillespie and then it's Like, ozoegadaro

1202
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,239
who's we're not sure how much he's gonna. Play you

1203
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:23,159
could also make the case, that, Well Miles bridges might

1204
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,559
be an upgrade at the four. Spot this team doesn't

1205
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:30,719
have enough size to materially improve upon its defensive. REBOUNDING

1206
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:34,079
i guess If Mark williams is healthy and common malawatch

1207
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:37,599
makes a. Jump you could say, differently there are problems

1208
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,960
up and down the. ROSTER i think IF i had

1209
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,000
to settle on, One i'm gonna say like off ball,

1210
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:48,199
offense just to incorporate the, shooting but also basically everything

1211
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,679
that doesn't include offensive. REBOUNDING i think you could look

1212
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:55,559
at and, wonder, oh is this team's attack gonna.

1213
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,039
Speaker 2: Like seriously drop?

1214
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:01,599
Speaker 1: Off so, yeah IT'S i don't know when you look

1215
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:04,400
at the makeup right, NOW i don't trust That Miles

1216
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,239
bridge is going to slide in and be ultra. COMPLIMENTARY

1217
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,159
i don't trust that With Dylan, brooks as important as

1218
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,840
he is to this. Team now you're getting into the

1219
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,519
realm of, like have we really Need jail And green

1220
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:18,280
to be super plug and play and more? Efficient so

1221
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,760
they still do have some gritty defenders on the. Team

1222
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,239
when you're Like Jordan, Goodwin i'm excited to. See although the,

1223
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,559
plan as far as we, knew was to give her

1224
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,039
sheer fleming more, minutes that gets harder With Miles bridges

1225
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:31,239
in the.

1226
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: Building it does questions up and down with the.

1227
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Offense it's tough for me to just settle on like

1228
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,719
playmaking or. Shooting i'm gonna just say off ball offense

1229
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:42,679
in general to incorporate the, shooting but even some of

1230
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:45,760
the movement, stuff or maybe it's just the offensive optionality in.

1231
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,480
GENERAL i don't know if this team has enough of

1232
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:48,000
it right.

1233
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,199
Speaker 2: Now and for, me one of the biggest things here

1234
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:57,039
is also a devotion to young. Players Mala watch was

1235
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,480
at top ten pick last. Year he did not play

1236
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:02,000
a lot of. Games he did not play a lot of.

1237
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,119
MINUTES i thought they did not take his development serious

1238
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,920
and what in year? One so if you want to

1239
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,760
know what's, THERE i do think this year that needs

1240
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,239
to change BECAUSE i and generally, SPEAKING i think that

1241
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,639
has been an issue for For phoenix occasionally just not

1242
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:25,440
giving their guys enough time to actually make a genuine

1243
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,679
decision on, Him like what was? It was? It who

1244
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,519
was it that they declined the third was it the

1245
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,039
third or fourth year? Option? Well on was That Jalen?

1246
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,440
Smith like they declined an option and then he turned

1247
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,199
into like a perfectly REASONABLE nba, Player like it's JUST

1248
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,800
i don't think they give their young guys enough, leash

1249
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,559
AND i could just be so afraid that the same

1250
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,800
is going to happen With. Malowatch so a need for

1251
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:59,199
me is stay the, course like invest develop do something

1252
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,440
if you if you have a top ten pick At george,

1253
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,000
disposal don't waste.

1254
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: It oh that that bleeds into another need for them

1255
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,800
is they could probably they could use a twenty thirty

1256
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,800
three first round.

1257
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: Pick that'd be something that they could. Use, yeah that's a,

1258
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,039
need that's a neat.

1259
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: Uh andy cru says in the, Chat Miles bridges is

1260
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,559
absolutely a down.

1261
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: Upgrade what are we?

1262
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,159
Speaker 1: Doing hot take suns will be better than The timberwolves this.

1263
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:26,440
Year underrated part Of Miles bridges was he was able

1264
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,119
to get his even when he was the fourth option

1265
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,800
behind three shoot first players like Ball con And miller

1266
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,400
average seventeen six and three as the fourth, OPTION i, Mean.

1267
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,840
Pumpkin The hornets were worse on both ends of the

1268
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,360
floor last year With miles Turn, so by the, WAY

1269
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,599
i don't know That Miles, bridges excuse, me Not Miles.

1270
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:48,400
TURNER i don't know, That, like how much did you

1271
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,880
upgrade your defense really here with this?

1272
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: Trade Because i've seen a.

1273
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,719
Speaker 1: Lot of that was part of the reasoning behind, it

1274
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,639
AND i just Don't i've said this a. Bunch when

1275
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,760
you Watch Miles, bridges even when he's dropping. Twenty it's

1276
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,719
never on hyper. Efficiency he's in the fiftieth percentile of

1277
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,079
points per shot attempt last.

1278
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:07,039
Speaker 2: Year he's not an exceptional.

1279
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: Passer he's was in The he was also the fiftieth

1280
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,719
percentile of assist to usage ratio last. Year he's never

1281
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:16,880
really ranked higher than around the. Sixty he's never been

1282
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,960
in the seventieth percentile of. That to, me he just

1283
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,320
he might give, you.

1284
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: Like raise your.

1285
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: Floor in certain, instances BUT i don't know that He to,

1286
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,599
me he doesn't augment their. DEFENSE i don't know that

1287
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:33,960
he significantly augments their. Offense he is the from a basketball,

1288
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,079
perspective he is probably the better singular talent Than Grayson.

1289
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:40,000
Allen but just the, space like the gravity That Grayson allen,

1290
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:42,639
Has i'm not Even i'm not even prepared to say

1291
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,199
that at this, moment he is one of THE i

1292
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:47,480
think he's one of the biggest empty calorie guys in the.

1293
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:50,679
Speaker 2: League and, see there we. Go that's because whoever wrote that,

1294
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,039
set he still gets His, yes that's the kind of the,

1295
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:56,280
problem because that's not how you need to look at.

1296
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,159
It that that is the wrong way to gauge. Basketball

1297
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,239
if you have teammates in front of you that are

1298
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,440
significantly better Which Miles bridges. Did your role and your,

1299
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,800
Responsibility god damn it as a basketball, player especially at this,

1300
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,119
level is to incorporate yourself into a manner where you

1301
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,559
weave yourself into the fabric of the offense instead of

1302
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,840
going in with the mindset Of i'm gonna get. Mine

1303
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:26,239
that's What Miles bridges did for a long. Time that's

1304
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,639
part of the. Issue him getting his is actually a

1305
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:31,639
part of the. Problem Jalen, green another guy on this,

1306
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:36,360
Team it occasionally still struggles with that understanding what does

1307
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,960
that might team need for me? Now like the, truest

1308
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:44,960
greatest basketball players on earth always understood when it was

1309
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,280
time to, sacrifice when it was time to step. Aside

1310
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,440
like Even michael Effing jordan like would realize When Scotty

1311
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,360
pippen had it going and, say all, right Like i'm

1312
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,440
going to scale back a little. BIT i can feel

1313
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,199
That scotty is going through something special right. Now i'm

1314
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:02,559
gonna make sure THAT i can enhance that by giving

1315
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:04,960
him the ball and being a thread off the. Ball

1316
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:10,360
Like it's just it's not about getting, Yours it's about

1317
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,320
weaving yourself into the frabtriacal for team organization and become

1318
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,920
the quality teammate and actually do what you need to

1319
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,639
do in order to enhance everyone. Else Miles bridges does

1320
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:27,519
the exact. Opposite, YEAH i hated.

1321
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:29,599
Speaker 1: THAT i mean just even removing what they gave up for.

1322
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:31,480
Him i'm just curious to see how much better he

1323
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:33,800
makes their team of it.

1324
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,199
Speaker 2: All AND i don't the other part of that.

1325
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,079
Speaker 1: Too this doesn't get into their, needes but it's what

1326
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:40,599
is That they're gonna sign him to an?

1327
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:41,079
Speaker 2: Extension?

1328
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:43,199
Speaker 1: Right, otherwise WHILE i give up a twenty thirty three

1329
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:45,800
first round pick for, him AND i know they got

1330
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,559
a twenty twenty nine first, back but it's the less

1331
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:51,320
favorable of what is? It that's The, Utah Minnesota cleveland,

1332
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:53,840
Right so that's gonna be in the twenties at that.

1333
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: Point this TEAM i would have.

1334
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: PREFERRED i thought they were too high on their own

1335
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,840
supply based off some of the things that were being

1336
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,920
said after this past.

1337
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,159
Speaker 2: Season i'm Not we're just. Preferred they stood pat same.

1338
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:08,800
Same is it my? Turn?

1339
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:12,119
Speaker 1: Yes what are we hit so Any chris saying we're

1340
01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:13,719
saying a lot of the same. Things when The rockets

1341
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:16,760
traded for traded AWAY, KD. Kd book And beale not

1342
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,880
the same as book and role. PLAYERS i DON'T i

1343
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,280
don't understand what the point is. Here, yeah pick your

1344
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:22,079
next team, more.

1345
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: All, Right obviously we have to go to The Sacramento

1346
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:35,360
kings because their needs are vast. MANY i DON'T i

1347
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,760
don't even want to key in on. Something they just.

1348
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,519
Have they have need. Everywhere, uh this is an organization

1349
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:45,000
that that probably just needs to start. Over, Frankly so

1350
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,559
take your, pick, Sir like where do we even feel? Comfortable?

1351
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,599
LOOK i love The Darius acoff, selection but even, him

1352
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,360
like he's got a need need to be able to play,

1353
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,800
defense because that's not something he does a whole. Bunch,

1354
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,760
like there's not a single player on this team Where i'm,

1355
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,320
like oh, yeah nailed it at this, point even though

1356
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:11,280
again Love, acuff just, no just needs. Everywhere there's not

1357
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,880
a POSITION i feel comfortable. With there's not a skill

1358
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:19,239
SET i feel comfortable. With there's not a a spot

1359
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,560
on the floor WHERE i just, go oh, yeah yeah

1360
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,960
they got this, covered like from the three point line or.

1361
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,239
Whatever Like, no this JUST i do not trust this

1362
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,359
team as far AS i can throw. It and that's

1363
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:32,439
because they have needs up the, Wazoo so just take

1364
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,159
your pick in terms of like what you Think dan

1365
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:38,199
is like the most pressing. One i'm just gonna go

1366
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:38,880
all over on this.

1367
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: One, yeah you're, right like a single identifiable. Need WHEN

1368
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,800
i was thinking about, that my notes are kind of

1369
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:51,479
all over the. Place could you, like what is the

1370
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,880
overarching philosophy of this? Roster or even because you could

1371
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,840
say chartered, exist what did you say to?

1372
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: Exist that's just a philosophy because there's no lotchi. Here

1373
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,800
there's no. Philosophy there's absolutely nothing going on on this.

1374
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,199
Roster it's just cashing, checks getting up, shots going. Home

1375
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:17,439
this is the most ridiculous roster construction in THE nba.

1376
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,279
Speaker 1: Currently, yeah, LOOK i still Like Keegan murray and you

1377
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:22,920
did just draft a, cuff SO i think you could

1378
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,199
point to and say you can't guarantee their. Pillars but then,

1379
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:28,600
LIKE i STILL i really liked An Ee clifford coming

1380
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:29,359
into his rookie.

1381
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:30,039
Speaker 2: Season was a little bit.

1382
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: Disappointed mean they found like getting what they did out

1383
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,399
Of Dylan cardwell Or Maxim reno last.

1384
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: Year those were nice vines for.

1385
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,319
Speaker 1: Them but you are, right there's the only shot they

1386
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:40,520
have at a higher end.

1387
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,079
Speaker 2: Long term cornerstone right.

1388
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:44,399
Speaker 1: Now as much AS i still believe a health And

1389
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,640
Keegan murray can kill, it it is a. Cuff AND

1390
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,560
i DON'T i wasn't big on him Or flemings necessarily

1391
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:52,800
coming out of the. Draft AND i know a lot

1392
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,760
of people they're already getting on me about My flemings take.

1393
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,039
There so we'll see how pans. Out i'm assuming he'll

1394
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,199
at least have a. Cuff i'm talking about a ton

1395
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:05,039
of license on this, team but they are Pretty Zach lvine's,

1396
01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:07,079
Here Malague monk is, here at least A Martin rosen has.

1397
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: Gone there's this team is they're the.

1398
01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:13,079
Speaker 1: QUINTESSENTIAL i wish that we were doing this a little

1399
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,439
later on because there has to be like more stuff

1400
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:17,880
to come. From if it's just, oh we're gonna wave

1401
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,960
To Martin rose and then we're gonna stretch that salary

1402
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,359
and that's the big move of the summer would be wildly.

1403
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: Disappointing, here, Agreed do we even have more to? Say

1404
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,520
can we? Skip can't skip? Them that'd be. Rude let's go,

1405
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,840
too but, yeah we can make. It mon let's go

1406
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:36,960
To let's go To.

1407
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:42,399
Speaker 1: Denver, yeah all, Right So they're interesting because at the

1408
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,600
end of the, Season Ben tenzer And John wallace had

1409
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,239
come out and, SAID i believe that they need, defense,

1410
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:56,279
athleticism and ball. Handling they have since Added Trayvon brazil

1411
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:59,520
the number thirty five, Pick Bryce hopkins the number forty nine,

1412
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,720
pick Resigned Tyas, jones and then Signed Marvin beckley the

1413
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,520
Third i'm not sure which of those needs were addressed

1414
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,319
with any of those those. MOVES i Think brazil in, theory,

1415
01:11:11,359 --> 01:11:15,279
okay there's athleticism and maybe some stretch or some defense

1416
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:18,800
if he's blocking. SHOTS a lot of this hinges on

1417
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,880
what's gonna happen With Peyton.

1418
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: Watson so what do they?

1419
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,159
Speaker 1: Need they need a resolution to The Peyton watson, situation

1420
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:26,680
but beyond, that it's.

1421
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:28,359
Speaker 2: What else do they?

1422
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: Like you, look what is the bigger, need the biggest

1423
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,159
the single when you're BECAUSE i was going back and forth,

1424
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:35,720
between you.

1425
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:36,319
Speaker 2: Could say it's.

1426
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: Defense but if you look at their core, lineups especially

1427
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,279
if we Assume Peyton watson is, back they should be

1428
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:45,399
able to game it. CORRECTLY i found myself gravitating towards ball.

1429
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:48,039
HANDLING i thought about shooting because they Lost Tim hardaway.

1430
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:51,439
Junior it's ultimately not shooting BECAUSE i think That Nicole

1431
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,239
jokich will just give you And Jamal murray by virtue

1432
01:11:54,279 --> 01:11:56,600
of having them. Both that's a top three, offense is

1433
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,199
basically your four at this?

1434
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:00,239
Speaker 2: Point so is? It is it?

1435
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 1: Athleticism but is that a weird thing to say When

1436
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:06,840
Peyton watson might be back and you still Have christian one?

1437
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,159
Speaker 2: Guy that's one. Guy, FRANKLY i think this is the

1438
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:16,239
team that should complete a deal With memphis Because, memphis

1439
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:19,239
as we, saw like twenty players on the contract, currently

1440
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,960
like they Need i'll take the over on, that just, kidding,

1441
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,760
no but like It's Cam, johnson, right like twenty three.

1442
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,159
Million can you go To memphis and, say, look you

1443
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:35,079
get an Expiring Cam johnson at twenty three, million will

1444
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:39,039
solve your roster? Crunch just give us? Debt is that a?

1445
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:41,439
Thing what do you want from?

1446
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,039
Speaker 1: Me because you're you're making YOUR i Think Cam johnson

1447
01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:46,119
is really important to this, team especially.

1448
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 2: Have, disagree but like then, okay Then Christian, brown but

1449
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,840
like then you're gonna have to commensate them because you're

1450
01:12:52,119 --> 01:12:53,720
you're asking them to take on future.

1451
01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: Money, Man that is so SO i get, well SO

1452
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:02,520
i would need to see like what are you Propose

1453
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:03,239
Cam johnson?

1454
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 2: For? Who? Yeah, right so let's let's. See let's see could.

1455
01:13:06,359 --> 01:13:11,079
Speaker 1: You Get Cam? Spencer and like Is Jalen? Wells that's the,

1456
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:13,199
prices that's not enough to get, Well so you.

1457
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: Have twenty three if you want to like you're going

1458
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,600
into a candy shopping you have twenty three millions to

1459
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,359
burn basically here and you need to align that so

1460
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:22,359
like you're not gonna get Sack ey set a coward

1461
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,159
with some of those, Guys Chris murray you can probably get,

1462
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,399
right you should be bloody want. WELL i, mean why

1463
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,920
would YOU i guess to save? Money, Sure i'm, look

1464
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:34,880
this is a way to get some depth onto the.

1465
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,119
Roster and because what can they do they they're so.

1466
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:43,279
Expensive they have Like jokic And murray earning fifty. Plus

1467
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,680
then you Have Aaron gordon checking in at fordy, plus

1468
01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:49,960
you Have Cam johnson at twenty, three you Have Christian

1469
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,199
brown at twenty. One If i'm research and oh, yeah

1470
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,920
you've got to Resign Peyton watson. Too so like at

1471
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,039
some point something's got to, Give like if there's if

1472
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:01,760
there is a package to be, found it has to

1473
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,560
be with a team that is just completely overstocked with

1474
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,479
players on, contract unmovable contracts like, now THOUGH i do

1475
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,359
Think Chris. Murky can he even be aggregated right? Now?

1476
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:19,039
Speaker 1: No, Right memphis did not acquire him with cap, space

1477
01:14:19,119 --> 01:14:21,119
so probably not unless THEY i, mean he could be

1478
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:23,000
before the. Season he could be aggregated, Again so.

1479
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,399
Speaker 2: That's, okay, okay all, right fair? Enough but so would you.

1480
01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:29,159
Speaker 1: Do something that Is memphis doing because this doesn't solve

1481
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:29,640
their bodies.

1482
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 2: Problem if, anything it might make it.

1483
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,199
Speaker 1: Worse but are you Doing Cam Johnson Christian brown and

1484
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:37,520
then getting off The zekenology deal and in exchange you

1485
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:42,399
Get Cam spencer AND? Kcp maybe Can Gigi jackson come

1486
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:43,920
back in that? Deal do you need to include your

1487
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,640
swap if You're? Denver is this my asking? Too much

1488
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,000
of it depends ON i have no idea What Christian

1489
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,239
brown's tree value would, be, Right, no that's that's, tough

1490
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:55,520
AND i do assume it's low though OTHERWISE i feel

1491
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,800
as if he wouldn't be on the team right. Now

1492
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:02,159
REALLY i, Agree but like, That my, point larger point

1493
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,640
is this is kind of the type of Deal denver

1494
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,239
has to go look for because this is not a deep.

1495
01:15:07,279 --> 01:15:12,920
Team it's it's, not and that's a problem if you

1496
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,520
want to compete for a. Championship WHAT i, have WHICH

1497
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,960
i have to, assume is still the priority when you

1498
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:21,239
Have nicola Freaking jokic on your.

1499
01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:22,359
Speaker 2: Team who's in this?

1500
01:15:22,399 --> 01:15:27,199
Speaker 1: Prime, yeah because so if they run back the THING

1501
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:29,600
i don't. Buy i'm assuming was it you Were GRANT

1502
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,600
i talked to about this post the report from The

1503
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,119
steinline that they're not necessarily under a mandate to shed.

1504
01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,760
SALARY i have A i would be pleasantly surprised if

1505
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,399
that were the, case if they decide not to shed.

1506
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,399
Salary BUT i have a hard time believing that after

1507
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,000
getting bounced in the first, round they're going to go

1508
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:48,319
into the second apron to keep the same. Team that's

1509
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:52,239
WHAT i have a hard. TIME i believe, it for argument's,

1510
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:55,159
sake if they keep the same. Team so you're bringing

1511
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:59,159
Back Peyton, Watson you're bringing Back Spencer. Jones how many

1512
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:03,560
trustworthy players deep does this rotation? Go there's the starting

1513
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,920
five Plus Peyton, watson or if you want to call,

1514
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,960
It Christian, brown the starting five Plus Christian.

1515
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,199
Speaker 2: Brown that gives you.

1516
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: Six i'd probably be wanting to throw the you, know

1517
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,800
the the jump shot is very weird, looking but it

1518
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,039
did go in one THAN i thought it.

1519
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 2: Would i'd be willing to Throw Spencer jones in.

1520
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: There BUT i don't know That tias is in a

1521
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,119
circle of trust, Anyway like he has not been good,

1522
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:27,239
enough not the year before last.

1523
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 2: Year, YEAH i thought he was a little underrated that.

1524
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,119
YEAR i understand why there's. SKEPTICISM i was found out on.

1525
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:38,359
HIM i am now Because jesus the type of year

1526
01:16:38,399 --> 01:16:41,760
he just. Had no but there's not a lot of.

1527
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,000
Trust that's and that's, why like you need to have

1528
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:45,880
more bites at the, apple and this is probably the

1529
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,680
only way that you get. It what is also fascinating is.

1530
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: Seven of their eight most Used Nicole jokic lineups last

1531
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,319
year were underwater, defensively only two of them rankedigher than

1532
01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:03,680
the thirty fourth. Percentile maybe a Healthy Aaron gordon kind

1533
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,159
of solves. THAT i just don't know when you, LIKE

1534
01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:10,760
i JUST i don't know how they go about getting

1535
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,520
like better on a higher end because they're so assets,

1536
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,479
strapped and also the players you would need to move

1537
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,800
to do, It like the deal would be to me

1538
01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:24,199
if in a perfect world you're Moving Christian brown and

1539
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,319
Or zeke nausey and attaching someone or something to get,

1540
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:31,399
better but they don't have the assets to do. That

1541
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,760
we're talking about can you Attach Cam johnson to, that

1542
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:36,680
in which case that becomes a functional. Sacrifice and also

1543
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,079
you're moving a ton of money at. Once that's what they're.

1544
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:41,880
In just such a tough spot and even trying to

1545
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,680
go out there and acquire depth at this, POINT i don't,

1546
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,560
like Is zeke naugy plus a swap getting you. ANYTHING

1547
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:50,800
i don't like that's and that's assuming they're willing to

1548
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:51,680
just foot the.

1549
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 2: Bill for this. Roster. Right, no so YEAH i. DIDN'T

1550
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:58,079
i GUESS i.

1551
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: Didn't boil it down to a single biggest. Need i'm gonna,

1552
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,359
say why DO i want to? Go DO i want

1553
01:18:04,359 --> 01:18:04,840
to say ball?

1554
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:05,279
Speaker 2: Handling?

1555
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: Creation, Yeah i'll say that just seems so stupid on

1556
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,439
a team With, Jokic but as we saw during the,

1557
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,159
playoffs that would have gone a long way to have

1558
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:17,039
another reliable.

1559
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 2: Creator So i'll go with.

1560
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,159
Speaker 1: That but you could talk me into athleticism just With

1561
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:25,279
Aaron gordon getting, older and especially now if you if

1562
01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:28,000
you tell Me Peyton watson's, gone THEN i think this

1563
01:18:28,119 --> 01:18:30,119
becomes an incredibly easy exercise to.

1564
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:36,279
Speaker 2: RANK i am going to go With Dallas mavericks and

1565
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:42,079
the need THAT i have there is guards question, Mark

1566
01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:47,239
SO i Don't we don't know About. Kyrie it's basically

1567
01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:49,279
the long end of it, this like we just don't

1568
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:52,079
know what kind of quality he's gonna be at when

1569
01:18:53,159 --> 01:18:56,159
the ball tips off next. Season we have no. Idea

1570
01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:58,600
we can sit here and we can hope that he's

1571
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,560
The Kyrie irving Of, hold or we can perhaps acknowledge

1572
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:08,119
that there is a level of skepticism as to whether

1573
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:11,239
he can't be that. Player, Right so he's not that.

1574
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:15,640
Guy where do you go? Here like who is going

1575
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,680
to be the one who can consistently set Up Cooper

1576
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,920
flag And Maurice? Johnson like who is going to be

1577
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:28,319
the guy who consistently proves himself starting caliber? Worthy is It,

1578
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:33,039
Ryanimhart is It Marcus, Sasser sergio de La? RARA i don't. Know,

1579
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,079
YEAH i don't think that player would be on the.

1580
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:40,520
Speaker 1: Roster Brandon williams is unsigned right, now AND i think

1581
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,760
THAT i still have their biggest NEED i have guard

1582
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:48,279
creation and also. Shooting just they were the Non Cooper

1583
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:53,279
flag players were in the sixteenth percentile of catching shoot

1584
01:19:53,279 --> 01:19:55,680
three point efficiency last year and Then flag himself was

1585
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,359
in the eighth percentile of. It Getting kyrie back, Helps

1586
01:19:58,359 --> 01:20:01,600
BUT i think even right, Now sergio de La area

1587
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:03,239
there's a lot on his.

1588
01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 2: Shoulders then Where Marcus.

1589
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,079
Speaker 1: Sasser it's just like if this, team let's say they're

1590
01:20:07,119 --> 01:20:11,159
fine Because Naji marshall can get, Downhill Kyrie irving's coming,

1591
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:15,079
back we Know Cooper flag can get. Downhill even With

1592
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:18,119
Klay thompson, here there's just not a ton of. Shooting

1593
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:21,760
And i'm, like this IS i don't know that this

1594
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,960
counts as a, need but why are they continuing to

1595
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,720
build a roster Where Cooper flag just isn't the day

1596
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,279
facto for or the default?

1597
01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:34,359
Speaker 2: Four? Right, yeah, agreed. AGREED i roster construction is a.

1598
01:20:34,399 --> 01:20:39,680
Problem so maybe their need is a roster construction. Symmetry,

1599
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,239
YEAH i mean they have because who is?

1600
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:45,239
Speaker 1: There you Have kyrie and THEN i really do Like Max,

1601
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:48,359
christie but the confidence level in guards kind of drops off.

1602
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:52,840
There yeah, RIGHT i mean actually the guards in general just,

1603
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,800
drop like the raw count of guards just.

1604
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: Drops off After Kyrie irving And Max Christy.

1605
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,319
Speaker 1: Sasser Klay thompson defensively is more of a forward at this,

1606
01:21:02,359 --> 01:21:07,800
point so it's. Nemhard, yeah it's the roster construction is.

1607
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,359
INTERESTING i found myself asking this is a question THAT

1608
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,600
i have More what do we see more minutes Of

1609
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:18,079
cooper flag as the actual four or Or santi Al

1610
01:21:18,119 --> 01:21:18,800
dama at the.

1611
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: THREE i don't Like sanci at the. Three he shouldn't be.

1612
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,279
Speaker 1: There but did they acquire him To maybe they're not

1613
01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:30,720
confident In Derek lively's, health which is, fair.

1614
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 2: Right and nobody you're right because they acquired. Him P

1615
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,199
j is still. There you're you're gonna have to play

1616
01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:40,840
The she's, There Maurice. Johnson they. Drafted do you think

1617
01:21:41,119 --> 01:21:42,119
do you want to be an interesting?

1618
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:48,119
Speaker 1: Trade not like at least a Framework Naji marshall For Sam.

1619
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:52,920
Hauser boston needs rim pressure AND i Think dallas needs

1620
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,439
another guy who could really sling. It.

1621
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i mean you're not swing positional need out,

1622
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,600
Right but, YES i hear what you're. Saying that could be. Interesting,

1623
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:07,680
YEAH i wouldn't hate that you're still not solving the Playmaking,

1624
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,720
no but the question is is how?

1625
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,279
Speaker 1: One because you don't control they do have first round,

1626
01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:14,880
equity so let's be, clear they do have picks to,

1627
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,840
trade but should you be trading picks at this stage

1628
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,319
either like whether it's your own which you don't control

1629
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:24,079
again in twenty thirty one or other teams is probably?

1630
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:25,079
Speaker 2: Not and so how do you?

1631
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:29,199
Speaker 1: GO i am with LIKE MESSI U jii, said AND

1632
01:22:29,239 --> 01:22:30,439
i think a lot of PEOPLE i want to See

1633
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,800
Cooper flag And Kyrie irving together to see what it looks.

1634
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,760
Like but the variable there isn't what we see. It

1635
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,880
it's just what Does Kyrie irving look like at his

1636
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,119
age coming off AN acl?

1637
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:44,520
Speaker 2: Injury, yep, yeah. Exactly so lots of questions About dallas

1638
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:45,359
at this, point.

1639
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,279
Speaker 1: Just going through the comments really quick to see IF

1640
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:50,920
i missed anything that would be what Is Jamal murray?

1641
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,359
Speaker 2: For if not for ball handling on The?

1642
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,159
Speaker 1: NUGGETS i, mean, YEAH i get, that but did we

1643
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:59,039
look at how many ball handlers The spurs had to

1644
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:02,079
get to the? Finals look many Handler's, okay see has even.

1645
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,239
Speaker 2: Knicks i'm just looking at the higher end teams from last.

1646
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:06,399
Season just a ton Of Josh hart And.

1647
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,239
Speaker 1: Mkaill maybe not the highest level, passers but mckel Bridges

1648
01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:13,880
Josh hart like they just have the really Good these

1649
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,359
three Guys towns is as a.

1650
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 2: BALL i, mean for for a. Center he's extremely fluid

1651
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,560
with the, ball like that's yea. Fair SO i you

1652
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,680
just you need more Than Jamal.

1653
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,119
Speaker 1: Murray AND i Think Nicole, Yokitchen, Yesage kyrie isn't.

1654
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 2: DONE i, Mean I'm i'm open to.

1655
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,319
Speaker 1: THAT i don't know what it would take to get

1656
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:35,079
because people just said they should Trade Kyrie irving because

1657
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:37,439
of the. Need he feels like we've just spent a

1658
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,079
ton of time talking about and THEN i don't even

1659
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:41,680
know what his value would be right. Now you're probably

1660
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,119
not getting a ton Of you're probably not getting a

1661
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:46,000
ton of value.

1662
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: For him right. NOW i don't think so.

1663
01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: Either no correlation is not causation, Though, OKAY i don't all, right, Awesome.

1664
01:23:55,039 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: Uh which teams we have? Left, oh let's, see we

1665
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:01,880
have The. Clippers let's go to The.

1666
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: Clippers, Okay i'm gonna go with a resolution to the

1667
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,560
aspiration of, investigation of, Course and THEN i think they

1668
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,239
need a center if we're like trying to isolate it

1669
01:24:13,279 --> 01:24:13,960
down to the biggest.

1670
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 2: NEED i don't know what this.

1671
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Team's direction is really in the short term or the long,

1672
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,439
term because they don't control their own picks and the

1673
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,840
new lottery rules like they they could be. Decent you

1674
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,760
look at the. Talent Derek Jones junior is still, There

1675
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:29,840
chris john is still. Here but the center Options knierhauser

1676
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,439
is coming back from That Liz frank, injury So i'm

1677
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,960
assuming he won't be ready to even start the. Season

1678
01:24:35,319 --> 01:24:39,920
you Have Brook lopez who's just getting. Older Isaiah jackson

1679
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,399
that the big man rotation here is just kind of, uninspiring,

1680
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,319
Right and SO i, LIKE i like Brook lopez in,

1681
01:24:47,399 --> 01:24:49,439
theory but this isn't Brook lopez from like two or

1682
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,359
three years, ago and so they do.

1683
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 2: Have, ENOUGH i, think just.

1684
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Guards even like the shooting got better with the Ruy haachimora,

1685
01:24:57,199 --> 01:24:59,039
addition maybe they're not going to be the best shooting

1686
01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:03,600
team because it's what It's Wogler Garland. Hachimra and that's

1687
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,239
like kind of. YOU i, MEAN i guess Brook lopez

1688
01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:08,640
still provides you with. Stretch So i'm pretty like glombed

1689
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,680
onto the center position at this. Point AND i don't,

1690
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,039
KNOW i could, Say, OKAY i want someone who's gonna

1691
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:17,760
give them some size and like rebounding girth there on

1692
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:18,319
the defensive.

1693
01:25:18,359 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: Glass for.

1694
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,039
Speaker 1: SURE i don't know how you go about acquiring that,

1695
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:23,199
player BECAUSE i don't think this team's on the timeline

1696
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,640
of let's give up assets to go address this.

1697
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:31,159
Speaker 2: Need, Right, NO i, AGREE i. Agree everything is kind

1698
01:25:31,159 --> 01:25:36,520
of thrown together a little bit at this. Point by the,

1699
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,720
Way Keevin, WAGGLER i didn't love him at, five but

1700
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,319
he needs to pop so severely right now BECAUSE i

1701
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:50,319
JUST i. CAN'T i can't envision anyone else like it's

1702
01:25:50,359 --> 01:25:52,720
they're trying to be, younger but Like garland is like

1703
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,600
a twenty two year old, anymore like he's approaching his late.

1704
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,800
Twenties he has to be the guy to just kind

1705
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,239
Of clippers Get Peyton watson all.

1706
01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: Right Sam passini fan, PAGE i want to someone go

1707
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:08,479
make A Hardwood knox fan page or More jensen OnlyFans fan.

1708
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,119
Speaker 2: Page OH i, Heard LOOK i already got that. Booked,

1709
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:14,600
no it's that's actually a good. One that would be.

1710
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,840
Fun LIKE i don't think they can get, there, right

1711
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,479
but like that'd be. Fun they could.

1712
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,239
Speaker 1: Do that wasn't their latest report was because they did

1713
01:26:21,279 --> 01:26:24,720
by going With, ruy they confirm their acting over the.

1714
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 2: Cap but they could do a sign and trade for him,

1715
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,760
still and there won't be poison pill.

1716
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: Status, well they, will so the base year compensation would

1717
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,680
be the. Issue and so now you're roping, in they're

1718
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,800
PROBABLY flexi it's not as big of an issue as you,

1719
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,840
Know sacramento trying to Get Jayen. Duran that would just

1720
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:48,119
be that that would be, terrible or that it'd be

1721
01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:49,960
like the logistics of that would be.

1722
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,039
Speaker 2: It would also be. Terrible it's okay to, say, yes

1723
01:26:52,079 --> 01:26:52,720
that would also be.

1724
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,520
Speaker 1: Certain SO i think it'd be easier also Because peyton

1725
01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:00,680
Was Peyton watson yet between twenty seven and. Thirty so

1726
01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:07,760
but he's, yeah well, YEAH i, mean so you think

1727
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:08,840
he's gonna get less Than Christian.

1728
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:14,279
Speaker 2: BROWN i think he's gonna get like closer To Tari east. Money.

1729
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: WOW i, mean if that's What i'm Not.

1730
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:24,159
Speaker 2: I'm just, saying if that's what that's, man that'll. BE i.

1731
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 1: HADN'T i don't Think i've prepared myself AND i probably

1732
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,359
should have for this scenari in which he got less

1733
01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:28,960
Than Christian.

1734
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 2: Brown, GOD i don't.

1735
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: Think and by the, way if that's what he's, getting

1736
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,039
you could definitely figure out how to make the base

1737
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:37,760
of compensation a sign and trade. Work but do The clippers, Have,

1738
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:41,199
like what do The clippers? Have they have some spare,

1739
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:45,000
parts but in A Chris dunn and A Derek jones

1740
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:46,760
junior That denver might have interest.

1741
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 2: In but are you giving up a pick or picks

1742
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,159
to Get Peyton?

1743
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: Watson i'm sure that Gets denver's, Attention but as The,

1744
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:53,800
clippers should you be doing?

1745
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: That it depends on how much you trust this last

1746
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:01,359
season Of, watson, RIGHT i mean because he was. Good

1747
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:05,359
but is it something you buy into being a regular.

1748
01:28:05,399 --> 01:28:10,279
Speaker 1: Thing, well even if, you let's say they do buy into,

1749
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:11,680
that what are you giving?

1750
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 2: Like what are what is dep?

1751
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: Like are you giving first round picks to debt because

1752
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,640
you Need denver to make this?

1753
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Work?

1754
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:17,119
Speaker 1: Now?

1755
01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:21,319
Speaker 2: Yeah unless they're dumping is? There uh, well, okay.

1756
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: If The choir trade doesn't go, through it's probably easier

1757
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,279
to shave a bunch of money and are, cool like

1758
01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:26,640
The pistons are just sitting.

1759
01:28:26,359 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 2: There right now that's?

1760
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Ready or what happens if his contract gets? Voided does

1761
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,279
it stay as a dead cat pit at that point.

1762
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:36,159
Speaker 2: Or is it just off their? Books we need to

1763
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:42,960
know these. Things WHY i, LOOK i THOUGHT i thought the.

1764
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 1: TRADE i thought the trade was going to go through

1765
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,520
so what what what do any of us? Know is

1766
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,359
that and they're talking about it's not gonna be resolved for.

1767
01:28:48,399 --> 01:28:55,920
Weeks Say denver's in the second apron, Though, uh they

1768
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,760
could still. Trade you can trade sign and trade someone

1769
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,359
in the second apron close to. It you can't acquire

1770
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,880
someone in a sign and. Trade that would hardcap you

1771
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:09,119
with the first. Apron so but, Yeah Peyton watson doesn't

1772
01:29:09,159 --> 01:29:10,760
fill the center need, though but he would be this

1773
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,159
team gets more, athletic WHICH i think you could argue would.

1774
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 2: Also be a need that they could.

1775
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,239
Speaker 1: FILL i Like Peyton watson, here that'd be a great

1776
01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:21,720
Flyer if you have him And garland And, woggler you

1777
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,920
just build some really fun units with.

1778
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:29,239
Speaker 2: THOSE. M i. Agree who do we have? Left we?

1779
01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 1: Have?

1780
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:36,119
Speaker 2: Oh, God? Pelicans is this the last? ONE i feel

1781
01:29:36,119 --> 01:29:39,840
like we're missing? Someone, Blazers yeah they. WERE i was

1782
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,479
trying to make you pick The. PELICANS i THINK i

1783
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,479
you name, them you can't. Pivot, sorry so twice in a?

1784
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,159
Row all? RIGHT. M can can the need be like

1785
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:56,039
in the front? Office? Man can we have a front office?

1786
01:29:56,079 --> 01:29:59,880
Need just combats in front office? Work is? That could

1787
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:02,399
you first just list off all the transactions that they've

1788
01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:06,079
had this summer moret there's been so Many we'll be

1789
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:11,720
here for an, hour, Right uh, NOW i, look has

1790
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,159
there even been a s just? THERE i know that

1791
01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:18,399
they've been, quiet but, like haven't they Resigned DeAndre? Jordan they?

1792
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:22,479
Did is that? Really? God?

1793
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 3: That?

1794
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: SO i have Our So i'm building our, DOCUMENT i

1795
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,680
mean the process of building our document for when uh

1796
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,399
we do our report card, grades which we at least

1797
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:32,199
have to wait for like the lebron and Commit, yeah

1798
01:30:32,359 --> 01:30:33,039
watts and stuff to.

1799
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 2: Say here's a, lot but here are their.

1800
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:41,399
Speaker 1: Transactions uh they picked Up Karlo makovic's two point three

1801
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,560
million dollar team, option declined To Kavon looney's eight million

1802
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,399
dollar team, option re Signed DeAndre.

1803
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:52,159
Speaker 2: Jordan end of A. D all, right, yeah, WELL i MEAN.

1804
01:30:54,279 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: I guess you trust your roster And glass. Coastays can

1805
01:30:58,479 --> 01:30:59,359
everything be a?

1806
01:30:59,439 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 2: Need?

1807
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,039
Speaker 1: LOOK i think not to hijacket from, you but the

1808
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:05,640
TWO i have highlighted in theory one of them shouldn't

1809
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,800
be a, need but they need to figure out what

1810
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:08,600
they're doing at the center.

1811
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 2: Position do you View Derrek queen as a five or?

1812
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: Not and if you, don't THEN i, LIKE i don't

1813
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,399
know how how The Zion williamson tug of war works

1814
01:31:18,399 --> 01:31:21,800
because then neither of them are. Five Eves mesie's probably

1815
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,399
not the five Or DeAndre. Jordan if you View Derek

1816
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,960
queen as a glorified, four do you View Derek queen

1817
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,680
as someone who's just gonna continue to come off the,

1818
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,079
Bench so then you need to figure out the center

1819
01:31:31,159 --> 01:31:34,279
position that could maybe be done. INTERNALLY i still like Me,

1820
01:31:34,399 --> 01:31:38,199
si AND i thought the vision Of Derek queen, was,

1821
01:31:39,119 --> 01:31:40,680
yeah the, defense he'll be.

1822
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 2: Cooked but he is a.

1823
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,119
Speaker 1: Five so if IT'S i if that's how you view

1824
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,399
him long, term WHICH I i, don't do you think

1825
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,600
he could be a? Four or play like what who's

1826
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,760
the big he's to play? Alongside Like Chet holmgren basically

1827
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,920
Or kriss porzingis, right those types of.

1828
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,239
Speaker 2: Things he needs to play along some way alongside someone

1829
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:01,680
who sort of like. Him just better do you because,

1830
01:32:02,199 --> 01:32:05,319
WELL i, mean, LOOK i do Think Andy cruz said

1831
01:32:05,359 --> 01:32:09,039
Skip i'm assuming he said skip The. Pelicans he's not.

1832
01:32:09,119 --> 01:32:15,640
Wrong but these all around big men like who struggled defensively,

1833
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,319
though but are so good at, passing, rebounding, scoring, whatever

1834
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:23,039
like they need someone who is almost equally as diverse

1835
01:32:23,079 --> 01:32:25,760
but just in different, Areas like you can't have just you,

1836
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,520
know a playmaker and necessarily a rim. RUNNER i firmly

1837
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:34,239
believe you need to have like some level of identifiable factors.

1838
01:32:34,279 --> 01:32:39,279
There so with with With, QUEEN i think it's difficult

1839
01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:43,279
because he's not a shooter yet we know the defense

1840
01:32:43,399 --> 01:32:46,640
is a, problem so like a no, three no d

1841
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:52,319
center just have to work around that to a perverse.

1842
01:32:52,399 --> 01:32:54,960
Degree and, Like i'm not even racking on it because

1843
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,840
what he did this year was or last year was

1844
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:01,039
really good for a, rookie especially like this dude would

1845
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:05,359
just cobble, together you, know triple doubleish. Lines that's that's.

1846
01:33:05,399 --> 01:33:08,760
Impressive so they need to figure out how can we

1847
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,960
get a bit up an all around big men in

1848
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,319
here who's just better. Defensively and you brought up Chet,

1849
01:33:13,359 --> 01:33:16,600
hounkren WHO i think is like the perfect fit next To,

1850
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,279
queen but he's just not. Realistic so, like who's the

1851
01:33:19,359 --> 01:33:22,399
next next player who's in the homegrown?

1852
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:26,199
Speaker 1: RAIN i think one of the questions first is do

1853
01:33:26,279 --> 01:33:31,159
you Trust Derek queen to develop more offensive, range not

1854
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:33,119
in the sense of a more complete offensive, player but

1855
01:33:33,159 --> 01:33:35,399
the actual range to Have, yeah, yeah.

1856
01:33:35,319 --> 01:33:37,560
Speaker 2: YEAH i trust, Them so IF i trust the arrival

1857
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,479
of the three more than the.

1858
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,359
Speaker 1: Dyes, so and because what did he shoot like eighty

1859
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:42,840
percent of the foul line or, Something SO i think

1860
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,119
it's reasonable to, Say, okay he'll shoot better than even

1861
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:47,920
looking at like from mid, range she was at thirty

1862
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:50,680
seven percent last. Year he was at twenty four percent

1863
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,840
on non corner threes and than twenty eight percent from the.

1864
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,800
CORNERS i expect those to tick. UP i think that

1865
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:59,119
he's someone where the volume could tick up. Too THEN

1866
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:01,479
i don't know if you need to, go, well it'd be.

1867
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,159
Preferable let me just be, clear be preferable to do

1868
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:07,079
the floor, spacing like just go Get Miles turner at

1869
01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:09,840
this point or something you figure it out. Later but

1870
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,000
you could also like someone who's a vertical. SPACEER i

1871
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,680
think could work if you Trust Derrek queen to develop

1872
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,239
that additional offensive. Range and, so If Jared allen were,

1873
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:20,000
AVAILABLE i don't know what the cost is to get.

1874
01:34:20,039 --> 01:34:22,000
Him if it's Just Trey murphy straight, UP i probably

1875
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,359
don't like that As New.

1876
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,319
Speaker 2: Orleans maybe there's other. Things if you can get a

1877
01:34:25,359 --> 01:34:26,079
pick And.

1878
01:34:26,079 --> 01:34:28,159
Speaker 1: Jared allen For Trey murphy at this, point maybe that's

1879
01:34:28,199 --> 01:34:29,800
too rich for The cavs as, blood BUT i think

1880
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,159
you could go a big man of that route to

1881
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:35,119
where it's. Okay he clearly does the vertical spacing stuff

1882
01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:36,720
in a way that you don't Trust Eves mes to

1883
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,319
do so right, now in a way That Zion, williamson

1884
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,960
just Like Jaime, wilson isn't like a screen and roll

1885
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,039
big and he can't be your defensive anchor at the five.

1886
01:34:44,199 --> 01:34:46,399
Either AND i think you could probably say the same

1887
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,680
For Eves mec at this, point but it would be

1888
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,439
preferable if you don't Think Derek queen is ever gonna

1889
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,439
be a league average jump. Shooter let's, say then you

1890
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,920
if you want to play him alongside another BIG i

1891
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,399
think THE i don't know If Jared allen works as.

1892
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 2: Well you could go In Isaiah hartenstein.

1893
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,199
Speaker 1: Type some of these kind of has that flowing range

1894
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:06,479
a lot of like can do a lot of stuff

1895
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:10,159
in the short, role but it makes it. Tough oh

1896
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,119
by the, way their actual other need though. TOO i

1897
01:35:12,119 --> 01:35:14,800
think it's just more shooting on the. Team you COULD

1898
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,479
i know they Have Jordan pool at a down, year

1899
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:21,000
but It's Trey murphy and it's like what else is

1900
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:26,079
is bankable on this. Roster, yeah that was a question for.

1901
01:35:26,119 --> 01:35:32,079
You oh so shooting Non Trey murphy players last year

1902
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:37,279
more catch and shoot efficiency second, percentile Non tree.

1903
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:39,159
Speaker 2: Second.

1904
01:35:39,159 --> 01:35:42,600
Speaker 1: Percentile that's not, good just in case anyone was wondering

1905
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,399
whether that's. Good but to the center, point this was

1906
01:35:45,399 --> 01:35:47,640
a third or excuse, me the second consecutive year they

1907
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:52,039
were bottom three in defensive. REBOUNDING i would also like

1908
01:35:52,039 --> 01:35:54,279
that they were dead last in like and this is

1909
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:56,239
part of like the big man thing or just the,

1910
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:59,359
Personnel like their transition defense needs to be more. Disciplined

1911
01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:03,119
they were dead last in transition frequency off of a misshot.

1912
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:03,119
Speaker 2: Like that they.

1913
01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: Allowed so THERE'S i THINK i can't remember who you

1914
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,439
have glass go in the chats that can everything be a?

1915
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,359
Need they're probably not at that level BECAUSE.

1916
01:36:10,119 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 2: I Like Trey.

1917
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Murphy they have a lot of Like Herb, Jones Trey

1918
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,119
murphy is a deep but actually have a lot of

1919
01:36:16,119 --> 01:36:18,760
like nice wing types on this, team and they even

1920
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,079
have some offensive engine types when you're looking At Zion,

1921
01:36:22,079 --> 01:36:24,399
Williamson Derek, queen maybe Even Jon.

1922
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: Dea murray is still.

1923
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,119
Speaker 1: Here but the roster we went through this a little

1924
01:36:28,119 --> 01:36:31,399
bit with The kings and it's not as bad As, sacramento,

1925
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,159
right but it does lack a certain coherence to.

1926
01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 2: Me, No, NO i, agree WE i think, overall If

1927
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,319
i'm trying to take this, seriously because AGAIN i actually

1928
01:36:44,359 --> 01:36:47,720
agree with the commenter who said that, everything BUT i

1929
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:49,960
understand your point that we have to be a little

1930
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:53,520
bit petitious about. This it's not just the three point,

1931
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,600
shot ALTHOUGH i, agreed it's not just the front off

1932
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:01,319
of the. Stuff it's also just a there's there's an element,

1933
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:05,920
of or rather a lacking elevement of self sacrifice. Group.

1934
01:37:06,039 --> 01:37:09,439
RIGHT i just don't think this is a group one,

1935
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,880
another LIKE i don't think this is a group that

1936
01:37:12,279 --> 01:37:17,680
has any interest in proceeding as they currently. CONSTRUCTED i

1937
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,319
think the players so well aware that this project is

1938
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,880
uh is. FAILING i think everyone around them is aware of.

1939
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:29,359
IT i just think there's a need DRASTIC i think

1940
01:37:29,399 --> 01:37:35,439
there's a need for major roster construction. Changes is it?

1941
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:39,720
Silent is It Jordan? Poole is It Deoncey? Murray is

1942
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,239
it all of? Them? PROBABLY i don't even know the

1943
01:37:43,239 --> 01:37:45,119
hell you're building. AROUND i don't.

1944
01:37:45,159 --> 01:37:48,239
Speaker 1: Know is it you don't have you don't have the

1945
01:37:48,279 --> 01:37:50,840
player to point to you Would the hope probably should

1946
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:52,880
have been that it would Be queen Or Jeremiah. Fears

1947
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,720
you cannot and maybe you can't definitively say that about most.

1948
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:01,159
Sophomores they feel further away then they should be for

1949
01:38:01,279 --> 01:38:03,479
where The pelicans would be. At AND i don't view

1950
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,079
that as the fault of the. Players but if you're

1951
01:38:05,079 --> 01:38:08,199
trying to if it's Not, zion there is no And

1952
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:11,520
zion probably isn't a realistic option unless you're willing to go.

1953
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,920
Out because if If zion's the, option do you know

1954
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,000
what the moves? Are And i'm not necessarily endorsing, these

1955
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:20,079
you start trading fears In queen and picks to build

1956
01:38:20,199 --> 01:38:23,479
adequately Around zion And Trey. Murphy that's the, move which

1957
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,800
is probably not the. Move and what's also you mentioned

1958
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,960
the nuclear. THING i think that's, fair that would be

1959
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,279
and they're a, team they can do. Something this isn't

1960
01:38:32,279 --> 01:38:34,920
The kings where all of, that Like, ZION i would,

1961
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:35,680
assume still has.

1962
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,600
Speaker 2: Appeal the issue would be how many of his.

1963
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: Potential trade suitors came off the board this summer, Though

1964
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,800
Like phoenix after The Miles bridges trade just gone the,

1965
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,399
Heat yiannis just gone you could still get a haul

1966
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:50,880
For Trey. MURPHY i don't know What Herb jones's value,

1967
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,840
is so they could do something. NUCLEAR i think it's

1968
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:58,079
gotten a little harder, now like put like post some

1969
01:38:58,079 --> 01:39:00,279
of these other trades where it's if you Didn't Zion

1970
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:03,960
williamson was gonna net you a small ransom, before it's

1971
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,960
probably harder to find the team that. SAYS i, mean

1972
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:08,920
if you're want to take On Paul, george is there

1973
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,840
like A zion like For Paul george structure that would make?

1974
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 2: Sense you want rim pressure In? Boston? Yeah do you

1975
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,439
do you like? That do you like to fit In

1976
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,319
Joe masula's? Offensive well maybe he's the guy who.

1977
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:24,359
Speaker 1: Actually want to be, honest which is different, players but

1978
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:25,479
to be sure and.

1979
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,159
Speaker 2: Better But sion at, least you, know he can just

1980
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,520
kind of spray the ball out to. Shooters it's not

1981
01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:34,399
it's not like an idea that's the end of the. World,

1982
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:37,159
THERE i get. IT i think CONCEPTUALLY i like the

1983
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:40,720
fit Of Paul george And boston more Than. Williamson but

1984
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,600
at the same time he's just so much OLDER, pg

1985
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:49,039
so just at the age addition you can call it

1986
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:52,119
in Getting sion in there who's more along the timeline

1987
01:39:52,119 --> 01:39:54,720
Of Jason tatum and will be cheaper Than Jalen. Brown

1988
01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:58,479
perhaps there's something. THERE i hadn't thought about that, one

1989
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,279
but it's it's not a bad idea on its.

1990
01:40:01,319 --> 01:40:04,399
Speaker 1: Surface it's JUST i don't know what the if it's

1991
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,239
a pick and not one of the ones you just.

1992
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:09,079
ACQUIRED i, mean But i'm assuming if if the cost was,

1993
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:10,479
that Maybe zion's already been.

1994
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,399
Speaker 2: Moved, YEAH i would assume.

1995
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: So Uh andy cru Says zion has the shooting around

1996
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:17,920
him In, Boston yeah for. SURE i mean maybe some

1997
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:19,800
of the lineups with if you want to play him

1998
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,560
With mitch Or kada a little touch and. Go But

1999
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,520
boston has plenty of uh the. Ability they definitely have

2000
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,720
the ability of space the, floor like his drives would

2001
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:28,840
be the being LIKE i think the vision would be

2002
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:30,680
similar to what it was supposed to be With. Giannis

2003
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,000
it just let him rampage to the.

2004
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:33,039
Speaker 2: Basket it Will.

2005
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 1: Uh we are onto The Portland Trail, blazers who are

2006
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:41,399
our final. Team, yeah they need A Ja moran.

2007
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 2: TRADE i, think well we definitely know they don't need

2008
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,279
a point. Guard, yeah, yeah for.

2009
01:40:51,319 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: SURE i think it's STILL i had them as a

2010
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,920
sneaky WHAT i thought would have been like a Great

2011
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,640
Trey murphy dark horse trade destination BECAUSE i think they

2012
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,399
need that type of, player AND i think they need

2013
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:06,439
that type of player more than ever. Now is just

2014
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,640
the like the movement shooter preferably doesn't summary in your,

2015
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:15,119
defense but you have look the ball handling boxes. Checked Damian,

2016
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:20,000
Lillard Danny, Avdia John, Morant, Drewalidey Scoot, Henderson Shane sharp

2017
01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:23,079
can handle a little bit the passings if he you've

2018
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:27,560
got Between Robert williams the Third Donovan klingen an excellent sophomore,

2019
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,479
season even like The Brandon carlson pick UP i think

2020
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:31,399
was smart by. THEM i haven't given up On Young hansom.

2021
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:34,159
Yet this roster is still kind of, deep a lot

2022
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:37,680
of intriguing. Players but if you, want if the plan

2023
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:42,680
is to Play John morant And Damian lillard, Together i'd

2024
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,640
like you better hope the floor spacing From Donovan klingon is,

2025
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,680
real just because The John morant element of. It but

2026
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:52,119
someone like A Trey MURPHY i think becomes would be

2027
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:56,960
integral to this. TEAM i don't, know Like i've eewn

2028
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,479
them as good enough to where they should be looking

2029
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:00,079
at that type of a. Player there's other names we

2030
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:01,720
could throw out there as, well BUT i have written

2031
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:03,600
in my notes so thin they need Their Trey, murphy

2032
01:42:04,279 --> 01:42:06,520
AND i think THAT i would have said that had

2033
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:07,640
they not made.

2034
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:08,520
Speaker 2: The John morant.

2035
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,359
Speaker 1: Trade AND i UNDER i understand that from a talent

2036
01:42:12,039 --> 01:42:15,039
vacuum play because you can give up a ton to get.

2037
01:42:15,079 --> 01:42:17,760
Him BUT i hated that trade From. PORTLAND i just.

2038
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,119
DON'T i don't like. It and IT'S i trust that like,

2039
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:24,159
emotionally this, team like, culturally this team will be.

2040
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:26,039
Speaker 2: Fine Damian lillard's in the, Building.

2041
01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: Drew, holliday super high character, Guy John, morant this has

2042
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:32,479
to be somewhat of a rude of, like you, know

2043
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,239
it has to be an awakening for. Him maybe it's not,

2044
01:42:34,319 --> 01:42:36,319
rude but it's an awakening for. HIM i would imagine

2045
01:42:36,399 --> 01:42:40,079
change of scenery could do him. Good BUT i don't,

2046
01:42:40,079 --> 01:42:43,279
Know LIKE i don't even know what their like favorite

2047
01:42:43,319 --> 01:42:45,640
lineups are gonna look like at this, point because you start.

2048
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 2: To run into who are you leaving?

2049
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,079
Speaker 1: Out if you Think denny needs to play and it

2050
01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:53,479
feels like they're obligated to play Jaw Damian lillard needs to,

2051
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,000
Play Demantic kamara needs to.

2052
01:42:55,039 --> 01:42:56,319
Speaker 2: Play Drew holliday needs to.

2053
01:42:56,319 --> 01:42:59,319
Speaker 1: Play one of your bigs clinging as your bass big

2054
01:42:59,399 --> 01:43:01,520
or whether it's OUR w three needs to. Play they

2055
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,680
are a team that could play without a center. Before

2056
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:07,640
i'm less intrigued by those lineups now because you don't

2057
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,840
Have Jeremy, grant who didn't help you enough with the.

2058
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:13,119
Rebounding but are you getting away playing small With John

2059
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:16,239
moran and Or Damian lillard on the. COURT i don't

2060
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:19,079
know what any of The John moran stuff augurs For

2061
01:43:19,399 --> 01:43:23,359
Scoot henderson slash shayde And sharp's. FUTURE i think Like

2062
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,399
shade And sharp and stuff For Trey. Murphy is there

2063
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:28,840
something you could build around there would do wonders for this.

2064
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:30,720
TEAM I sti wouldn't love The John morant, fit BUT

2065
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:32,159
i THINK i think that's what they.

2066
01:43:32,199 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 2: Need and, look.

2067
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: There's the data just to back it. Up like they

2068
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,000
were just not a strong shooting team last. Year Like

2069
01:43:37,079 --> 01:43:39,880
Damian lillard helps a ton beyond an off. Ball gravity

2070
01:43:40,279 --> 01:43:43,359
is just an. Element they didn't have a singular player last,

2071
01:43:43,399 --> 01:43:46,199
year but they need they need more now for.

2072
01:43:46,279 --> 01:43:50,520
Speaker 2: SURE i. AGREE i don't have anything to. Add you

2073
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:54,079
just took everything, well but it was one. NEED i

2074
01:43:54,119 --> 01:43:54,840
was just unpacking.

2075
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:59,079
Speaker 1: IT i appreciate it if, YOU i don't, know if

2076
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:00,079
you feel a job.

2077
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:03,720
Speaker 2: That's What i'm here for is a steel People's i'm. Ai,

2078
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:05,800
Really i'm, Not i'm.

2079
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: AI i feel there's WHEN i HATE i don't want

2080
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,359
people to, think probably That i'm being lazy WHEN i

2081
01:44:13,359 --> 01:44:16,239
say this just needs. Shooting SO i probably WHENEVER i

2082
01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:19,720
go to shooting or, WINGS i probably feel the need

2083
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,520
to over. Explain whereas, NO i promise You i've thought about.

2084
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,239
Speaker 2: This, no you. HAVE i, saw AND i know you,

2085
01:44:25,319 --> 01:44:29,279
have and you're you're right on the. Money, uh it's because,

2086
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:31,880
look let's just be real about one thing here as.

2087
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:36,399
Well shade And sharp has not proved that he's a

2088
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,880
great long range. Shooter so it's not just The John

2089
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:42,239
morantonov And kling and, pairing It's shade And sharp. Too

2090
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,000
like you just don't know what that's going to. Entail

2091
01:44:46,079 --> 01:44:49,000
so if you have three potential players in the, lineup

2092
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:54,920
who are you, know potentially weak, shooters that's a. Problem

2093
01:44:55,159 --> 01:44:57,720
and then you just re Signed Propert williams the third

2094
01:44:58,199 --> 01:45:01,239
also not a floor stretching pig. Man that's a. Problem

2095
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,520
like you're not really sure what kind of spacing you're

2096
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,760
going to get out Of Young. Hansen you just don't.

2097
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,720
Know And Scoot Hey scot as. Well he's got shooting

2098
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:15,800
concerns over the course of his career, Too like these

2099
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,079
are it's a fair, question like this is on a.

2100
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:21,520
Balance if they all have a good, Year, god they

2101
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,159
could make a playoff run like or a run within the.

2102
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:27,399
Playoffs BUT i if you have so many h let's

2103
01:45:27,399 --> 01:45:31,000
see what is what is the comment the needed shooting

2104
01:45:31,039 --> 01:45:32,720
and maybe a real power for, it and they went

2105
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:39,520
an acquired. Job oh that's a good. COMMENT i like. That,

2106
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:41,359
yeah they're.

2107
01:45:41,359 --> 01:45:44,520
Speaker 1: There you're right about the because so AND i assume

2108
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:45,920
he's just not going to play a bunch and if he,

2109
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,479
IS i don't know what that says about their plans

2110
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,000
For Young. Hanson But Brandon carlson might give you the

2111
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,479
stretch because a stretch element at the. Five If donovan

2112
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:57,000
clingon shot is for real and he's just a thirty

2113
01:45:57,039 --> 01:46:00,800
five percent shooter on arc, threes that get THAT'S i

2114
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,119
think it opens up the fl Like John moran needs that,

2115
01:46:03,239 --> 01:46:07,800
OPENNESS i, think especially when some of their most important.

2116
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,800
Players when you look at the. Percentages, Yes Tomani kamara fine.

2117
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,520
Shooter Denny avda is someone who can shoot like you

2118
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:16,479
don't want to take an off the dribble jumpers, necessarily

2119
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:17,399
but it's a set.

2120
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:17,720
Speaker 2: Shooter.

2121
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 1: Okay But Damian lillard's the only guy on this roster

2122
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,840
who like comes close to being a five alarm fire

2123
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,119
relative to his, position and that's they need that at another,

2124
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:30,720
spot and it. Doesn't Trey murphy's the NAME i gravitate.

2125
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:33,640
Towards if they can get A Max, truce A Sam

2126
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:37,119
merrill h even you just you can't fit him into the.

2127
01:46:37,159 --> 01:46:39,239
Structure THOUGH i was gonna, say there might be like

2128
01:46:39,239 --> 01:46:41,560
A shade And sharp For Miles turner swap, here BUT

2129
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:43,479
i just don't know how many Minutes Miles turner's playing

2130
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:45,880
when you Have Donovan klingon AND rw three on top

2131
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:49,680
of young handsome there And Brandon. Carlson but that that's

2132
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,640
what they need to go out and get and they. Have,

2133
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,439
look they have THE i would, say if you're willing

2134
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,399
to Trade Shaden sharp And scoot Is i'm assuming they're

2135
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,279
not married To. Scoot, now if you Have John morant

2136
01:47:01,319 --> 01:47:03,880
And Damian lillard And Drew holliday, there they have the

2137
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:05,439
ability to make that type of, move AND i guess

2138
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,399
it seems like they're willing to make. SWINGS i would be,

2139
01:47:10,119 --> 01:47:14,399
like do we expect them to make another significant transaction

2140
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,399
before the other because we're kind of in the off

2141
01:47:17,399 --> 01:47:21,000
season dog days at this, point we, are, yeah if

2142
01:47:21,079 --> 01:47:23,279
you will still be looking to cut money at some,

2143
01:47:23,399 --> 01:47:25,800
Point so there is that to. Consider but Maybe Trey

2144
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,439
murphy becomes actually, available if The pelicans ever pick up their,

2145
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:29,520
PHONE i don't, know.

2146
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 2: We'll, see but it does feel like they've kind of,

2147
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:37,399
said all, right this is our team moving. Forward and do.

2148
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:40,560
Speaker 1: You do you think though that it's that there is

2149
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:44,039
a there's like a layer of intelligibility to that because

2150
01:47:44,039 --> 01:47:45,720
you don't know what you look like With John, moran

2151
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,279
so why would you now go make another move where

2152
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,840
your team has to be more reflective of the image

2153
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:53,640
of having jam RANT.

2154
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,399
Speaker 2: I, guess but we know what Who John morand is

2155
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,560
and we know his, weaknesses we know his. Strength so,

2156
01:47:59,279 --> 01:48:02,359
YEAH i, mean if you want to go into that

2157
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,239
approach and, say WELL i want to see it, first,

2158
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:09,239
COOL i, PERSONALLY i don't think there's a need for.

2159
01:48:09,279 --> 01:48:11,079
IT i think it's pretty obvious what's going to. Happen

2160
01:48:11,079 --> 01:48:13,720
but LIKE, i, well we could be. WRONG i GUESS

2161
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,039
i on this. ONE i just don't think we.

2162
01:48:16,119 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 1: Are but, well because, peak even if you got, Peak Ja,

2163
01:48:20,039 --> 01:48:22,479
MORANT i don't think our biggest need. Change like if

2164
01:48:22,479 --> 01:48:26,079
we just said you're getting twenty twenty, Two John, morant

2165
01:48:26,079 --> 01:48:30,760
that was ALL nba, season, Right, yeah it's, Great yeah

2166
01:48:31,159 --> 01:48:33,479
you're getting, Peak Jah. MORANT i think you still need,

2167
01:48:34,039 --> 01:48:36,159
well we just spent like the last eight minutes or.

2168
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 2: So absolutely, absolutely we're both apparently overtired and forgot The,

2169
01:48:40,039 --> 01:48:42,880
warriors you take. It what is their biggest, need? Sir

2170
01:48:43,319 --> 01:48:45,279
they Need Jonathan mingo.

2171
01:48:45,359 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 1: Back SO i have youth and, Athleticism which is kind

2172
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:53,000
of funny because the like the two free agents they

2173
01:48:53,039 --> 01:48:55,920
are linked to the most is One Draymond, green who

2174
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:59,039
we just expect to come back, obviously but then, too

2175
01:48:59,039 --> 01:49:01,239
they're also linked to Lebron On, james who would be

2176
01:49:01,279 --> 01:49:04,840
one of their more athletic. Players, anyway this is just

2177
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,159
a team though twenty third in transition frequency or worse

2178
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:11,000
for the past three. YEARS i think you're also looking

2179
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,119
at the perimeter defense right. Now Both Moses moody And

2180
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:17,000
Jimmy butler are going to begin the season on the.

2181
01:49:17,039 --> 01:49:18,920
Shelf we don't know If moody's going to play next.

2182
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,000
YEAR i don't know If Jimmy butler is going to

2183
01:49:21,079 --> 01:49:24,920
return before the calendar flips to twenty twenty, seven just

2184
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,760
at his age and the injury that he's coming back.

2185
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,039
Speaker 2: From so you're.

2186
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 1: Putting like there's a lot right now on the shoulders

2187
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:36,479
of Defensively Deanthony, melton and then Is Jaxea lindenberg playing

2188
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:40,079
a bunch of minutes here And Draymond green of course,

2189
01:49:40,199 --> 01:49:43,000
Defensively and so you just look at this team and

2190
01:49:44,039 --> 01:49:46,039
they have and they still, do had a whole bunch

2191
01:49:46,039 --> 01:49:49,199
OF i think you different needs heading into the offseason

2192
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,520
they haven't addressed aside from talent retention for, them they

2193
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:58,159
haven't addressed any of. Them and so it's not just youth.

2194
01:49:58,199 --> 01:50:01,279
Athleticism it's all, right, Well Jimmy butler's. Injured do you

2195
01:50:01,319 --> 01:50:04,520
need another? Creator do you need MORE i mean you can,

2196
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,239
say do they need more durability at the five? Spot

2197
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,640
just now you Have Al, horford Christophs, porzingis There's draymond

2198
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,239
at the five. Lineups of course you Lost Quinton. Post

2199
01:50:14,119 --> 01:50:18,000
they did Sign Charles. Bassi they just need wings, Again Moses,

2200
01:50:18,039 --> 01:50:21,239
Moody Jimmy butler being. Injured how much do you Trust

2201
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:24,600
jack So wendenberg Off rip Or Gie santos And Will

2202
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,560
richard to play bigger. Roles but youth and athleticism Over

2203
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:30,760
maybe it doesn't need to be, young but it needs

2204
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,840
to be athleticism on this, Team like they need to

2205
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,359
have that button to, push and they do not right,

2206
01:50:35,399 --> 01:50:35,880
now they.

2207
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 2: Don't you're absolutely, Right and that's been a concern for

2208
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:40,760
a while, now right like they try to do the

2209
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,680
whole like let's be, competitive let's try to develop young.

2210
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,119
Guys they couldn't develop the young. Guys they also chose

2211
01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:49,920
poorly in the draft for quite a few years. There

2212
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:54,239
it's it's it's a. Problem they don't really have a

2213
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:57,520
back up plan in this in this, manner like if

2214
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:02,279
the plan Is lebron great, seeming you Want Anthony davison

2215
01:51:02,319 --> 01:51:05,399
there because that's what he's. Requiring so how do you

2216
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:10,039
sell that idea To, washington like Using jimmy as a trade.

2217
01:51:10,039 --> 01:51:12,439
SHIP i don't think that's gonna go over particularly. Well,

2218
01:51:14,319 --> 01:51:17,119
YEAH i think that's A i think it's it's a

2219
01:51:17,159 --> 01:51:20,800
complete fair observation that they're in need of athleticism and

2220
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:25,680
durability and just someone who can do something. Else THEN

2221
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:29,520
i run around the floor and just be an observer

2222
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,479
BECAUSE i think that has been a problem for them

2223
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,079
for a long. Time just everyone looking At, steph looking At,

2224
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:37,199
draymond looking at these guys like you need someone who

2225
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,960
comes in and just does. Stuff and maybe That's. Lindeborg,

2226
01:51:40,079 --> 01:51:44,199
honestly maybe it's it's Pajem ski in year, four but

2227
01:51:44,319 --> 01:51:47,399
they need. Something maybe It's Qui Santos LIKE, i, Frankly

2228
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:51,279
i'm just open for everything at this stage because they

2229
01:51:51,359 --> 01:51:55,720
are in need of having someone other than the old

2230
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,760
crew delivered it at a much higher.

2231
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Rate and IT'S i, mean they were twenty seventh in

2232
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:05,199
rim pressure last.

2233
01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:06,680
Speaker 2: Year they're not a.

2234
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:09,560
Speaker 1: Team when you're looking at like the way that roster's

2235
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:13,239
set up now Without, jimmy for let's assume at least

2236
01:52:13,279 --> 01:52:16,079
half of the, year you're not going to draw a

2237
01:52:16,079 --> 01:52:18,880
ton of, fouls right like until that bar has even been.

2238
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,720
Low and SO i look to even with the idea

2239
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:24,560
That Jimmy butler will come, BACK i think you look

2240
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,399
at this roster and say they're kind of. Married just

2241
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,079
the their centers of Christops perzenkas And Al. Horford you're

2242
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:33,560
not going to upgrade, There AND i mean maybe someone

2243
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:36,359
becomes available that we're not. Discussing steph Is, steph you're

2244
01:52:36,359 --> 01:52:39,399
not going to upgrade at that spot if you're Bringing draymond,

2245
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,920
back or you Have Lebron, James like your four is

2246
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,920
kind of, set and SO i look at the two

2247
01:52:45,039 --> 01:52:47,520
three spot like it's the wing. Spot it's, LIKE i

2248
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,319
feel as if what all the stuff we're talking, about

2249
01:52:51,159 --> 01:52:54,319
ideally it would come in the form of a bigger

2250
01:52:54,359 --> 01:52:58,039
wing or just a wing type, player AND i don't

2251
01:52:58,079 --> 01:52:59,640
know who that. IS i, Mean Trey murphy has been

2252
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:01,479
one that's mentioned for. Them he's been mentioned for every

2253
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,880
team that doesn't check all about, like he's not gonna

2254
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,079
give you a ton of rim, pressure he's not the best,

2255
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:09,439
defender and he's gonna cost you a ton of.

2256
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 2: ASSETS i think you still make that move and figure

2257
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:12,119
it out.

2258
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:15,760
Speaker 1: Later but the bigger question here is if it's Not Lebron,

2259
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:18,600
james who again does not, Answer he'll give you some

2260
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,119
rim pressure for, sure if you're worried about, creation especially

2261
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:24,079
With Jimmy butler, injured he's going to give you. That

2262
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:26,640
but if it's Not Lebron. James do you view this

2263
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:30,439
as a team that's gonna look to Make i've Asked

2264
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:32,319
grant this question a but, like are they actually gonna

2265
01:53:32,319 --> 01:53:34,600
try and make significant upgrades or do they come out

2266
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:36,800
of this offseason and, say you, know we were linked

2267
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,680
To lebron and like we were kinda it seems like

2268
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:41,439
they maybe might have checked in on. You, honest they

2269
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,119
weren't on his final list, though and we were linked

2270
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:45,880
To Anthony davis for a hot, minute and that's just

2271
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:46,199
gonna be.

2272
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 2: That, YEAH i wouldn't be surprised if that is what ultimately,

2273
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,239
happens because they can only put their best foot, forward

2274
01:53:53,319 --> 01:53:56,159
and they are an organization that would probably want that

2275
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:58,800
to be publicized a lot that they, did BECAUSE i

2276
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,119
think we've seen that every year with, them, like, oh

2277
01:54:01,159 --> 01:54:03,119
we tried to be in the running for blah blah blah.

2278
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:06,079
Blah that's and that's, Fine like sometimes you just don't

2279
01:54:06,119 --> 01:54:09,039
get shit, done AND i don't think that's necessarily something

2280
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:12,920
to look down. Upon BUT i think they realize the

2281
01:54:13,279 --> 01:54:17,000
situation as, well like this is the sunset years Of Stephen,

2282
01:54:17,079 --> 01:54:21,119
draymond and while they want to give them something cohesive

2283
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:25,000
to allow them to have a good final. Run it

2284
01:54:25,159 --> 01:54:28,560
just comes down to do other players look at this

2285
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:33,600
situation as being? Attractive and MOST i would, guess DON'T.

2286
01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 1: I think when the bar is so high in The

2287
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,880
west With San antonio And okac being, there and then

2288
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:44,000
even you either Believe dever is going to be right back,

2289
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,239
there or perhaps you think That minnesota's. BETTER i know you,

2290
01:54:46,279 --> 01:54:48,319
don't but perhaps you Think minnesota is better after The

2291
01:54:48,399 --> 01:54:51,279
LaMelo ball. Trade Could houston just get better by virtue

2292
01:54:51,319 --> 01:54:54,239
of being healthier having fred van, fleetback they could GET

2293
01:54:54,479 --> 01:54:57,000
i mean a lot of their key players On Thompson,

2294
01:54:57,039 --> 01:55:02,399
Alprin shangoun Reed shepherd aren't off the growth. Trajectory it's

2295
01:55:02,479 --> 01:55:06,239
tough because With Golden state, too they need so many

2296
01:55:06,319 --> 01:55:10,760
things that to identify a singular target like A giannis

2297
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:13,319
came closest just because he didn't check all the, boxes

2298
01:55:13,319 --> 01:55:15,159
but it was, well this is just a clear top ten,

2299
01:55:15,239 --> 01:55:17,159
talent and so you do, it and that's going to

2300
01:55:17,159 --> 01:55:21,039
move the needle. Enough otherwise you're probably talking about multiple.

2301
01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:24,079
Moves but it would just be nice on balance to

2302
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see them get more athletic.

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01:55:26,039 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 2: Overall AND i DON'T i like when you try and

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01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:29,159
suss out.

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01:55:29,279 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 1: Names that gets a little, difficult AND i think part

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01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:34,880
of the reason for that with me is even If

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01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:38,199
boston made A Derek white, available, now now you're getting

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01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:39,800
older and, like how much have you improved your?

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01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 2: Athleticism maybe not?

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01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:45,199
Speaker 1: Enough but has this team, then like they've not shown

2311
01:55:45,239 --> 01:55:47,840
a willingness it feels like to part with right the

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01:55:48,399 --> 01:55:50,640
draft compensation or just the assets overall that it would

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01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:52,079
take to even pull off a move like.

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01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 2: That, YEAH i, agree they, haven't and that's WHY i

2315
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:59,800
don't think we can anticipate anything of substantial nature because of.

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01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:04,239
IT i think that would be. Presumptuous so maybe they

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01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:05,199
get like they do.

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01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 1: HAVE i will say the one THING i will, say

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01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:09,840
they do have lightning in a bottle potential to where

2320
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:12,680
if you, say, well If christops is, Healthy Jimmy butler

2321
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:15,479
gets right And steph is healthy in the, playoffs this

2322
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,439
isn't a team THAT i would want to face if

2323
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,720
they have there the top of their roster has still

2324
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:25,840
a very high end. Outcome but it's just the odds

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01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,520
of everybody at the top of their roster being available

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01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:30,880
or operating at the peak of their powers when it matters.

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01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:33,880
Most it just year over year it feels as if

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01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:34,560
it gets lower and.

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01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:38,359
Speaker 2: Lower, YEAH i, Agree AND i think that's partly why

2330
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:41,840
WHAT i said earlier that most players are looking at

2331
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:43,880
that situation and not, saying, oh, YEAH i want to

2332
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,159
sign up to. THIS i think a lot are basically

2333
01:56:46,199 --> 01:56:49,359
avoiding that because they could be looking at a situation

2334
01:56:49,439 --> 01:56:52,159
where they are trying to rebuild and then they're forced

2335
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,640
to being traded and then they don't decide their next.

2336
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:59,680
Destination so, yeah do you have anything else on any trade?

2337
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,079
Target do you think they should go? After should they

2338
01:57:02,119 --> 01:57:06,079
be A zion? Team like is that wouldn't hurt rim, pressure.

2339
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,000
YOUTH i, mean those are the two things that you're

2340
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,319
outlined THAT i think is like a fair game athleticism as.

2341
01:57:12,359 --> 01:57:17,159
Well if there's an organization that might be able to absorb,

2342
01:57:17,279 --> 01:57:21,520
him it's, Them SO i wouldn't hate. It the question,

2343
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:26,199
is what's what's the deal is? It? JIMMY i think,

2344
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:28,199
YEAH i mean financially it has to.

2345
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 1: BE i think this, point because you, resigned Porzingis draymond opted?

2346
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 2: Out, yeah, yeah they would. Be that's what's there's the

2347
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:39,199
report that they don't want to Trade. Jimmy he's just.

2348
01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:42,079
Speaker 1: THIS i don't think he's immovable because he's an expiring.

2349
01:57:42,119 --> 01:57:46,640
Contract but the contract is so massive that it's that

2350
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:48,920
it's inherently tough to. Move and are you you have

2351
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,159
to find a team that's willing to break it, one

2352
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:53,960
get a player who they're either rerouting or maybe they're

2353
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,760
negotiating a buy out, with or they're just not getting

2354
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,439
back until twenty twenty, Seven and then they're also willing

2355
01:57:58,479 --> 01:58:01,279
to send out what like two or three rotation. Players,

2356
01:58:01,439 --> 01:58:04,600
yeah your? WAY i, mean maybe is this The memphis consolidation.

2357
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:08,279
Trade they get The Jimmy butler, contract but you send

2358
01:58:08,279 --> 01:58:12,319
The warriors who you're probably getting OFF kcp in that,

2359
01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:14,640
deal or Or Jeremy, grant take your.

2360
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,479
Speaker 2: Pick but then it's what do The warriors want off that?

2361
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: Roster they have players THAT i think would be, Appealing

2362
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:22,920
but do The warriors Want Jallen?

2363
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,600
Speaker 2: Wells do they Want Cam?

2364
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:29,359
Speaker 1: Spencer and it's you, know, like what are you willing

2365
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:30,760
to give up to get The like none of those

2366
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:33,920
players are even close to even in the aggregate or

2367
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,159
close to enough for us to feel much better about

2368
01:58:37,159 --> 01:58:39,760
this team or even the. PLAYERS i just like they're

2369
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:41,560
not checking the athleticism box.

2370
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 2: Either, no exactly so, LIKE i don't feel as though

2371
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,680
The memphis, deal even if it was to, materialize would

2372
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,840
make them significantly, better although it would improve their, Debt but,

2373
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:55,680
OVERALL i think this team just it needs something major

2374
01:58:56,199 --> 01:58:59,800
for the narratives to, shift And i'm just not going

2375
01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:03,319
to guess that's going to. Happen do you Have did

2376
01:59:03,319 --> 01:59:05,279
we do? It did we skip? Anybody we? Should we?

2377
01:59:05,319 --> 01:59:07,119
Speaker 1: SHOULD i should have counted those while you were talking

2378
01:59:07,159 --> 01:59:08,640
at one, point BUT i think we got. Everyone i'm

2379
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:11,079
looking out. Here we did, too got look at that

2380
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:13,319
all thirty. Teams go check out The east if you

2381
01:59:13,359 --> 01:59:14,960
haven't done. So but more you're able just to tell

2382
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:16,439
everyone where they can find you and all the work

2383
01:59:16,479 --> 01:59:16,680
that you.

2384
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:19,399
Speaker 2: Do, absolutely you can find my work over At Yahoo

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2386
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,960
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2387
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:27,920
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01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:30,840
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01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:43,199
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2393
01:59:43,279 --> 01:59:46,439
Speaker 1: Bags that is it On may, end, though so until next,

2394
01:59:46,479 --> 01:59:47,880
time and as, always wet the shout out to the,

2395
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:51,239
one the, only the player who could solve the problems

2396
01:59:51,479 --> 01:59:54,600
biggest needs of at least what thirteen of the fifteen

2397
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:58,279
teams we just talked, to fourteen of fourteen and fifteen

2398
01:59:58,279 --> 02:00:02,279
teams we just talk about mister Mister, frank the one

2399
02:00:02,319 --> 02:00:03,119
and only Mister.

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Speaker 2: Frank here appears