Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk talking about the DOGE. Here's
Speaker 1: the episode.
Speaker 2: What was your first thought on how DOGE was going
Speaker 2: to proceed?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I couldn't believe I was there for
Speaker 3: the most part.
Speaker 4: It's like.
Speaker 3: It's all seemed extremely surreal at the time. You know,
Speaker 3: DOGE was a made up name that had been made
Speaker 3: up I don't know, two or three months before and
Speaker 3: based on internet suggestions. And I was going to call
Speaker 3: it the Government Efficiency Commission, and then someone on the
Speaker 3: Internet said no, it should be the Department of Governed
Speaker 3: Efficiency d OG. Like that sounds great. So we just
Speaker 3: kind of made up an apartment.
Speaker 5: Do you think you were successful.
Speaker 4: We're a little bit successful.
Speaker 3: We were somewhat successful. I mean we stopped a lot
Speaker 3: of funding for that that really just made no sense,
Speaker 3: that was just entirely wasteful. Where it was like, for example,
Speaker 3: there was like probably one hundred maybe two hundred million
Speaker 3: dollars with the zombie payments per year, which simply by
Speaker 3: enforcing that there'd be a payment code and an explanation
Speaker 3: for the payment, that the payment would not go out.
Speaker 3: So we've made that change to the main Treasury computer
Speaker 3: and a bunch of other computers. It's like, it seems
Speaker 3: like insanely obvious, but there are just call it a
Speaker 3: two or three percent of government payments that go out
Speaker 3: that really should not be going out, and it's actually
Speaker 3: quite hard to stop. So it's a pretty rare individual
Speaker 3: that would ask the government to stop sending them money.
Speaker 5: Would you ever do doge again?
Speaker 4: Do you mean would I repeat history?
Speaker 5: Or would I Two ways to think about it.
Speaker 2: One is if you could go back and start from scratch,
Speaker 2: like it's January twentieth all again, would you go back
Speaker 2: and do it differently and knowing what you know now?
Speaker 2: Do you think there's ever a place to restart.
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 5: Not saying others in your.
Speaker 2: Stead you go back and restart doing dosh?
Speaker 4: I mean no, I don't think so. I think probably
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Would you do doge again? Knowing what you know now?
Speaker 3: I mean the thing is like I think instead of
Speaker 3: doing doorge, I would have basically built, you know, worked
Speaker 3: in my companies essentially so and not and the cars
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have been burning the cars.
Speaker 5: You gave up a lot to do.
Speaker 4: Do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you if you if you stop money
Speaker 3: going to uh going going for political corruption, they will
Speaker 3: they will lash out big time. So they really want
Speaker 3: the money to keep blowing. So if you stop it
Speaker 3: from flowing, there's like a very strong reaction to to
Speaker 3: stopping the money.
Speaker 4: Flowing for a while.
Speaker 5: Did you become disillusioned with how it operates?
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't say I was super illusioned to begin with.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's just like you really want
Speaker 3: the least amount done by government possible, the least amount.
Speaker 3: I guess maybe maybe, Like the biggest thing is that
Speaker 3: I guess the biggest single thing is is that there
Speaker 3: are massive transfer payments going to legal immigrants, like massive.
Speaker 3: Essentially we're paying people to come here from somewhere else
Speaker 3: in vast numbers, including flying them in, so like it's
Speaker 3: not like you need a border wall if you're flying
Speaker 3: them in then fast tracking them to citizenship and making
Speaker 3: them beholden to just government payments and and voting hard left.
Speaker 3: That's that's essentially it's like voter importation.
Speaker 4: If if if you if you create.
Speaker 3: A gigantic money magnet two, as you say, if anyone
Speaker 3: comes here from anywhere else, we're gonna pay you tons
Speaker 3: of money, give you lots of free stuff. Come come,
Speaker 3: come to America and get paid to do so, Like
Speaker 3: you're going to get a lot of people taking up
Speaker 3: on that offer. When people say like this, this, this
Speaker 3: is fake, I'm like, actually, well, let's look at you
Speaker 3: know elan Omar, who was literally was voted into power,
Speaker 3: voted into Congress by uh, you know, a large group
Speaker 3: of people from Smalia who are in Minnesota, which is
Speaker 3: really far from Somalia. Or mom Donnie who was voted
Speaker 3: as to me mayor but if if but by a
Speaker 3: majority of people who are not born in America, does
Speaker 3: minostatic at least so and then then California, say a
Speaker 3: big time situation. So I don't know, we just still
Speaker 3: want to turn into a you know, communist hellhole.
Speaker 2: Basically, you've said in the future that no one's going
Speaker 2: to need to worry about money or work because AI
Speaker 2: is going to take care of the rest AI and robotics.
Speaker 5: What do you mean that people won't have to work
Speaker 5: in the future.
Speaker 3: Assuming the current trend of artificial intelligence and robotics continues,
Speaker 3: which seems likely, the AI and robots will be able
Speaker 3: to do anything that that humans want to want them
Speaker 3: to do. Essentially, so hopefully not than that. But AI
Speaker 3: and robotics will be able to provide us provide all
Speaker 3: the goods and services that anyone could possibly want, So.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't need to work. What would you do with
Speaker 5: your free time?
Speaker 3: People will be able to whatever they want with their
Speaker 3: free time. Work will be optional. I'm just want to
Speaker 3: separate out from like what I wish would happen versus
Speaker 3: what I predict will happen, because people get confused about that.
Speaker 3: They think that what I predict will happen is what
Speaker 3: I want it to happen. What I want what I
Speaker 3: predict to happen is not the same as what I
Speaker 3: want to happen. If I could, I would, I would
Speaker 3: certainly slow down AI and robotics, but I can't. It
Speaker 3: seems to be well, it's it's advancing at a very
Speaker 3: rapid pace, whether I.
Speaker 4: Like it or not.
Speaker 5: Is AI what keeps you up at night?
Speaker 4: It used to be at this point, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say there's there's nothing particularly keeping me up
Speaker 3: at night right now except that, But do you say, what?
Speaker 4: What? Why do I wake up in nightmares? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I actually I've had a lot of AI nightmares.
Speaker 3: I had AI nightmares many days in a row. What
Speaker 3: am I supposed to do about it?
Speaker 5: What's your biggest irrational fear?
Speaker 4: I try not to have irrational fears.
Speaker 5: None.
Speaker 3: If I find an irrational fear, I squell shit. I
Speaker 3: don't believe fear is fear is the mind killer. So
Speaker 3: I'm about somebody who feels fear strongly on average?
Speaker 5: How many hours do you sleep the night?
Speaker 4: Six?
Speaker 3: You can tell, but based on my exposts, yes you can.
Speaker 3: People have actually map them. It's very clear when I'm
Speaker 3: sleeping around'm on. I tried having less than six hours sleep,
Speaker 3: but although I'm awake more hours per day, my cognitive
Speaker 3: function is reduced, so my natural sleep and actually timed
Speaker 3: it with the phone.
Speaker 4: They can get a phone app.
Speaker 3: To time it. It's like five hours fifty six minutes.
Speaker 3: That's what the phone said.
Speaker 5: What's an average day for you?
Speaker 4: Look like?
Speaker 3: Well, I have a lot of inbound communication, so it's
Speaker 3: information trioge. I try to segment the days so that
Speaker 3: there's not too much context switching, because arguably fear is
Speaker 3: not the mind and killer. Context switching is. It's hard
Speaker 3: enough to context switch if you've got an inbox full
Speaker 3: of stuff, but you can think of, like if you
Speaker 3: have to context switch every three seconds or every thirty
Speaker 3: seconds or every three minutes, the context switching cognitive penalty
Speaker 3: would be very high every three seconds.
Speaker 5: And you're talking about switching between say Tesla.
Speaker 2: X x AI SpaceX Personal, SpaceX Personal.
Speaker 3: But even within Tesla and SpaceX there are many different
Speaker 3: things and this sort of the stuff on X like
Speaker 3: random news things, you know, people being bunt alive and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and like, what the hell is going
Speaker 3: on in this country?
Speaker 5: Who's the funniest person you know? In real life?
Speaker 4: You know, President Trump is very funny. He's got a
Speaker 4: great sense of humor.
Speaker 5: President Trump is very funny.
Speaker 3: They're very funny. It's like naturally funny, but it's somewhat effortless.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know when he has had at mcdanie
Speaker 3: in the office and they asked him if he still
Speaker 3: thought the president was fascist, and the President said, just
Speaker 3: say yes, it's easier that way, don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: He's like, you, guys, what a how silly?
Speaker 5: Who do you look up to the most?
Speaker 4: The Creator?
Speaker 5: What's your current position on God?
Speaker 4: God is the Creator?
Speaker 5: You don't believe in God though, do you?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I believe there was this universe came for something. People
Speaker 3: have different labels.
Speaker 2: When's the last time you did something extremely ordinary like
Speaker 2: go to Target or CBS.
Speaker 4: I can't go to Thanks with as the general public because.
Speaker 3: I you meet there, there's an immediate can I have
Speaker 3: a selfie line?
Speaker 4: That forms in these.
Speaker 3: Days, particularly in light of Charlie Cook's motor there are
Speaker 3: serious security issues.
Speaker 4: It's not that I don't want to, I simply can't.
Speaker 2: Has Charlie's murder changed how you do things? Or were
Speaker 2: you already locked down pretty fall before that?
Speaker 3: It certainly reinforced the severity of the situation where life
Speaker 3: is on hardcore mode. You make one mistake in your dad,
Speaker 3: it only takes one mistake.
Speaker 5: What's one moment in your life that you could live
Speaker 5: again just to feel it well?
Speaker 3: I mean, I see when my kids are born, or
Speaker 3: the first time SpaceX got to orbit, or tells the
Speaker 3: made electric car work.
Speaker 5: You've had a big lot of them.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things. There's luck coming down the pike,
Speaker 3: like what starship.
Speaker 4: They agree to.
Speaker 3: Which a starship is a revolutionary technology is not well
Speaker 3: understood in the world. It's the first time that there's
Speaker 3: been any rocket design where full and rapid reausability as
Speaker 3: possible or full reasonbility at all as possible. This is
Speaker 3: the first design where a reusable rocket. It's one of
Speaker 3: the possible archives. Whay success is in a set of
Speaker 3: possible orcoms?
Speaker 5: Are you talking about in V three or B two?
Speaker 4: Well, we could have made V two.
Speaker 3: Reusable, but the but there were a lot of performance
Speaker 3: improvements for V three, so it made sense to go
Speaker 3: to V three. They're just there's like ten thousand different
Speaker 3: changes between B two and B three, maybe more than
Speaker 3: ten thousand really so, but starship, if there are historians
Speaker 3: in the future of we'll look back and a starship
Speaker 3: and say it was one of the most profound things
Speaker 3: that ever happened. Now you can think of historic events
Speaker 3: as where would they fit on the in the evolutionary
Speaker 3: Hall of fame. So you've got things like a single
Speaker 3: cell life. Then you've got you know, multi cellular life
Speaker 3: capturing a mitochondria capturing mitochondria so that you have a
Speaker 3: power cell in the plant in the cell.
Speaker 4: You've got like a power plant in the cell.
Speaker 3: You've got you know, differentiation into plants and animals, life
Speaker 3: going from oceans to land and then also on that scale,
Speaker 3: probably in the top ten is life becoming multiplanetary. There
Speaker 3: just aren't very many things that are in the top
Speaker 3: ten of the evolution of life or where you could
Speaker 3: basically say you could evaluate any given civilization or any
Speaker 3: given life form as you know, on that.
Speaker 4: On that scale.
Speaker 3: So life becoming multiplanetary, it's on the top ten. It
Speaker 3: needs to be sustainably multip multiplanetary. So I'm not just
Speaker 3: visiting but actually multiplanetary in the sense that if you
Speaker 3: have planetary redundancy, so if one of the planets, if
Speaker 3: they were to be a catastrophe one of the planets, the.
Speaker 4: Other planet would spive.
Speaker 5: All of your country.
Speaker 3: Starship is capable during that for the first time in history,
Speaker 3: and no AI was used to create it, So I
Speaker 3: will appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Are all of your companies working towards that same goal
Speaker 2: to help us become multiplanetary? Like does the AI exist
Speaker 2: to be able to help life on Mars or is
Speaker 2: that primarily for what is happening here currently?
Speaker 4: You know tells us.
Speaker 3: Mostly about making sure life on Earth is good as
Speaker 3: an NXAI is about that too, because multiplanetary means Earth's
Speaker 3: got to be good and you need another planet. Sometimes
Speaker 3: people think, because they have you know, legacy templates, mental templates,
Speaker 3: they think that going to Mars is an escape from
Speaker 3: Earth and like order that there would be some you know,
Speaker 3: a place where billionaires would go or something like that.
Speaker 3: But actually Mars will be very dangerous and the Moon
Speaker 3: base will be also dangerous, much more dangerous and much
Speaker 3: less comfortable than Earth. So the people that would go
Speaker 3: in the early days to make life multiplanetary and Mars
Speaker 3: or the Moon.
Speaker 4: They would have a much higher risk of death.
Speaker 3: Than if then if they stayed on Earth, and things
Speaker 3: would be cramped and uncomfortable. So that's that's the sales
Speaker 3: pitch for Mars. It's going to be uncomfortable, the food
Speaker 3: won't be as good as Earth. You might die, it's
Speaker 3: going to be a massive amount of hard work, and
Speaker 3: it may not succeed.
Speaker 4: That's the sales pitch. Do you want to go?
Speaker 5: Same when people came to America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't want to be in Jamestown.
Speaker 5: People went anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe if they've been social media back then, they would
Speaker 3: have saying we're all dying. Here's videos of us dying.
Speaker 3: Would have probably put a damp around future voyages. But yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of people just dispear. You don't
Speaker 3: know what happened to them.
Speaker 2: You talk a lot about X about wardrobe and how
Speaker 2: you wish current wardrobe would be differently.
Speaker 3: I just think like from a fashion standpoint, we should evolve.
Speaker 3: It's like my son Saxon said at one point, why
Speaker 3: does everything look like it's twenty fifteen. I was like,
Speaker 3: damn things do everything does look like it's twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: It's like if you took a picture from twenty fifteen
Speaker 3: and send twenty twenty five, it looks exactly the same.
Speaker 3: There were Stylistically, things are the same as twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: We have not We have not moved the needle in
Speaker 3: a decade.
Speaker 5: So what should it look like?
Speaker 4: Something new?
Speaker 3: You know, like the sixties had a definitive style, the
Speaker 3: seventies had a definitive style, the eighties had a definitive style,
Speaker 3: and then the nineties also had a different style.
Speaker 4: But then you start looking at.
Speaker 3: The two thousands and the twenty tens, and it's like
Speaker 3: less and less every year. I think we should before
Speaker 3: of our style. And if you'll get some of the
Speaker 3: older paintings, you know past cabinet secretaries, some of them
Speaker 3: like they look cool, Like their jackets are cooler than
Speaker 3: what we have right now.
Speaker 4: You know, they have sort of like a high collar.
Speaker 3: And like a sort of I don't know what some
Speaker 3: sort of what do you cool those things? Ascot or
Speaker 3: something like that. This looks cool, like so we don't.
Speaker 3: Everything's like a very normal looking suit at this point,
Speaker 3: but like literally the same as twenty fifteen. I'm being
Speaker 3: generous because augilbly the same as twenty ten. So in
Speaker 3: fifteen years and I'm like, from a fashion standpoint, I
Speaker 3: don't think.
Speaker 4: We've moved since two thousand. In twenty five years.
Speaker 3: If you showed someone a picture of this is a
Speaker 3: bunch of there's a bunch of dudes in twenty two thousand,
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of dudes in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: Which year is which? So I think we should I
Speaker 4: don't know, spice it up a little.
Speaker 5: What's a conspiracy theory?
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Speaker 5: Can you believe in?
Speaker 3: I mean, which conspiracy theories haven't come true at this point?
Speaker 3: If we're not out of conspiracy theories, that because it
Speaker 3: will come true as far as I can tell. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know if any aliens. People always asked me
Speaker 3: if there are aliens. I have seen no evidence of aliens.
Speaker 3: No one on the SpaceX Senior team has any evidence
Speaker 3: of aliens, because I've asked him, like, guys, am I
Speaker 3: missing something? Has anyone on the team? Has anyone seen
Speaker 3: any evidence of aliens?
Speaker 5: Does that include UFOs?
Speaker 4: That's just an unidentified blank object.
Speaker 3: So so UFOs like it could be like some new
Speaker 3: weapons program or whatever that's you know, some hypersonic missile
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 4: Like that, that that.
Speaker 3: Will be technically a UFO, but it's it's just it's
Speaker 3: just basically some weapons prototype.
Speaker 4: It's not. It's not like aliens.
Speaker 3: So although Neil Armstrong Neil A spelled backwards as alien.
Speaker 5: Coincidence, you believe we actually went to the moon?
Speaker 3: Yes, went to the moon a few times actually and
Speaker 3: played golf on the moon. Yeah, we didn't just go
Speaker 3: to the moon. We actually got a little board and
Speaker 3: started playing golf on the moon.
Speaker 2: But why didn't the flag move? There's like that constuct
Speaker 2: I was to jump the talk moment about the flag.
Speaker 4: No, the playing golf on the moon Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 4: literally did no.
Speaker 5: I understand that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wead golf. Well on the moon is there?
Speaker 5: There's no gravity though, right.
Speaker 3: So there is gravity one six If it wasn't gravity,
Speaker 3: you just float away. There's no atmosphere, fair, but there
Speaker 3: is one sixth gravity.
Speaker 5: What's the biggest misconception about you?
Speaker 4: I don't know, how would I know?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 2: I think it's I get asked this a lot when
Speaker 2: I do interviews about you. Me, Oh, I got everyone
Speaker 2: always thinks you're a very difficult person to work for.
Speaker 5: Oh, but you're I think you're very kind.
Speaker 2: Thanks Like people think which you're you are like a
Speaker 2: very demanding boss.
Speaker 5: I think that you are. I've never heard you yell
Speaker 5: at any employee.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think every employee who works at every single one
Speaker 2: of your companies is incredibly mission driven, which is unlike
Speaker 2: any other workplace I've ever seen. Like Starbase is the
Speaker 2: most inspirational place you'll ever go to. Right, everyone is
Speaker 2: there to work on a singular goal. And so I think,
Speaker 2: to me, the biggest misconception about you is how every
Speaker 2: employee at all of your companies are fiercely loyal because
Speaker 2: it's all mission driven. And you are a very good
Speaker 2: employer to work for, and I think people assume you're not.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Well, why would they think anyone would work at the companies? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean talent. I mean talented people can go work
Speaker 3: anywhere they want. So they're only going to work at
Speaker 3: one of my companies if if they want to, and
Speaker 3: if they're mistreated in some.
Speaker 4: Way, they would they would leave and go work somewhere else.
Speaker 5: How'd you come up with the idea for starbas.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we needed a something inspirational.
Speaker 4: I can't wait.
Speaker 3: We kind of have a lot of star things, you know,
Speaker 3: so we get Starlink Starship. Well, where would starship depart
Speaker 3: from star Base? I mean a star base is as
Speaker 3: you mentioned, it's it's like I think it's probably the
Speaker 3: coolest place on Earth. I agree. And it used to
Speaker 3: it used to be a sand bar down by the
Speaker 3: Rio Grande. I mean it's only like three feet above
Speaker 3: sea level. So we built a gigantic rocket factory and
Speaker 3: two giant launch towers down by the river, literally within
Speaker 3: side of the Rio grand and on on on. An
Speaker 3: actual sandbar kind of had to have like an inspirational name,
Speaker 3: and then we made it a city.
Speaker 4: So it's an incorporated city, like legally a city. You
Speaker 4: don't you don't hear about new cities being formed that often.
Speaker 5: The last time there was a company town it was
Speaker 5: disney World.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Ford had some kind of like company town situations,
Speaker 3: but but yeah, just disney World is it's literally its name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm Walt Disney. This is my world. I've gone
Speaker 4: from land to World.
Speaker 3: They got like incorporated as a city and got tax exemption,
Speaker 3: which was like a whole It was a was a
Speaker 3: big deal. I've been disney World probably ten times, really yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe more than maybe ten, but at least ten times
Speaker 3: because Cape Canaveral is right by disney World.
Speaker 5: This makes sense.
Speaker 3: So when I'd have the kids, then I would uh
Speaker 3: my older kids, and I was we're trying to get
Speaker 3: the rocket launched from Kpnavil. Then you know, the thing
Speaker 3: they'd want to do is go to disney World or
Speaker 3: Harry Potterland.
Speaker 5: What's your favorite ride?
Speaker 3: I sort of attempted to say Space Mountain. I suppose, yeah,
Speaker 3: play Space Mountain. I mean, I do think Space Mountain
Speaker 3: needs an upgrade.
Speaker 5: It's a little hardey jerkey.
Speaker 3: The it doesn't look quite as sci fi as it
Speaker 3: used to. You know, it's like it's like the day
Speaker 3: before yesterday's tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Protistal yesterday.
Speaker 5: What's your favorite age to parent of your kids?
Speaker 4: Generally kids are the most fun between five and ten.
Speaker 5: Do you think humanity is inherently good or is it
Speaker 5: just trying to be?
Speaker 3: The concept of good wouldn't exist without humanity. I think
Speaker 3: I do think humanity is on balance good, you know.
Speaker 3: I generally think like increasing the amount of consciousness in
Speaker 3: the universe is a good thing. Try to understand the
Speaker 3: nature of the universe, which you can only do by
Speaker 3: increasing the increasing conscious awareness. I mean, I've thought about, like,
Speaker 3: how did we get here? Because if we did, sought
Speaker 3: out as a hydrogen gas cloud that's sort of condensed
Speaker 3: and then form stars, and then these stars exploded, and
Speaker 3: then they recondensed form stars again and then exploded again,
Speaker 3: and then eventually you get to us thirteen point eight
Speaker 3: billion years later. And one of the interesting questions to
Speaker 3: think about is how many times have your atoms been
Speaker 3: at the center of a star? I think it's like,
Speaker 3: on average three or four times something like that. Then
Speaker 3: how many times will your atoms be at the center
Speaker 3: of a start it's vary, but it seems like we're
Speaker 3: roughly halfway. So your atoms is likely to be at
Speaker 3: the center of the star maybe another four times or
Speaker 3: something like that. It depends on what your predictions are
Speaker 3: for the future. But in terms of existence, as measured
Speaker 3: by the number of times your atoms will be at
Speaker 3: the center of a star, we seem to be roughly
Speaker 3: halfway that. Really, you know, if you want to look
Speaker 3: at the big picture, that's the really big picture.
Speaker 5: What's one invention that's made us worse, not better.
Speaker 4: It's one adventure that's made us worse. Invention maybe short
Speaker 4: form video. It seems to be writing people's brains.
Speaker 5: What's one piece of technology you hope never gets invented.
Speaker 4: I hope and I hope never gets invented, Like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's gonna destroy us all or you think
Speaker 5: with the proper safeguards.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously, I hope, like the people don't
Speaker 4: invent a.
Speaker 3: Virus that can kill all humans, Like that's an obvious thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, generally, I hope mentions that destroy consciousness are not invented.
Speaker 4: I think the future is going to look very interesting.
Speaker 3: So it's I do have this theory about the predicting
Speaker 3: the future, which is that the most interesting outcome is
Speaker 3: the most likely, which if simulation theory is accurate, makes
Speaker 3: sense because if anyone is simulating a wide range of futures,
Speaker 3: they're going to stop the simulation when it gets boring,
Speaker 3: because this is what we do in our reality. So
Speaker 3: if SpaceX is doing hotels are doing simulations to understand
Speaker 3: how a car would work, or robot or space or
Speaker 3: something like that. We run all these simulations in the computer,
Speaker 3: and the simulations that we pay attention to, the ones
Speaker 3: that are the most interesting, like the simulation where everything
Speaker 3: goes right on the rocket, we actually don't pay attention
Speaker 3: to because that's that's not a everything goes right simulation.
Speaker 3: Is it's fine, So we actually test the you know,
Speaker 3: when we simulate the rocket flight, we'll actually test all
Speaker 3: sorts of odd ball situations, but we don't test it.
Speaker 3: We don't have the simulation be totally wrong because I mean,
Speaker 3: like if the rocket just explodes immediately, that's not also
Speaker 3: not interesting.
Speaker 4: So it's like you need to.
Speaker 3: Find the envelope of possible flight paths where the rocket
Speaker 3: can make it to orbit and without exploding, and then
Speaker 3: you find those boundaries, and then when you launch the
Speaker 3: actual you try to make sure it stays within those boundaries.
Speaker 3: Or another way to think of it is like we
Speaker 3: could be an alien Netflix series and that that series
Speaker 3: is only going to get continued if our ratings are good.
Speaker 5: Are the ratings good?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But you can think of it like from Darwinian sandpoint applied.
Speaker 3: If you apply it Darwin to simulation theory, then the
Speaker 3: only the most interesting simulations will continue. Therefore, the most
Speaker 3: interesting outcome is most likely because it's either that or annihilation.
Speaker 4: So really we have one goal, keep it interesting.
Speaker 2: Do you think social media has made people more honest
Speaker 2: or more performative?
Speaker 3: Well, social media makes people more performative. By the same token,
Speaker 3: you you get more real life video of things that
Speaker 3: are actually happening, and anything that is very interesting will
Speaker 3: spare we'll go viral on the internet.
Speaker 4: So you have both.
Speaker 3: You've got more performative where people are doing anything they
Speaker 3: can to get a few more views on their TikTok
Speaker 3: video or whatever, or their reels or maybe on their
Speaker 3: ex post or something, and so that's very performative. But
Speaker 3: then you also see real life videos that are that
Speaker 3: challenge the narrative, but are nonetheless real.
Speaker 5: Is there any X accounts?
Speaker 2: You're surprised when you changed it so people could see
Speaker 2: country of origin that wasn't in the United States that
Speaker 2: you thought was in.
Speaker 5: The United States.
Speaker 3: I don't really think about it that much. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's in a country of origin. We have to be
Speaker 3: a little careful about this. You can actually technically you're
Speaker 3: just specify your region, like you can say I'm in
Speaker 3: Asia or something like that, which is quite big. But
Speaker 3: it does make it a little harder that if somebody
Speaker 3: is trying to put ten that they're i say, a
Speaker 3: member of the American public or in Europe or Africa wherever.
Speaker 3: If they're you know, if everything about their account is
Speaker 3: from a different continent than they are pretending to be from,
Speaker 3: it's a guess a little harder to pretend. We don't
Speaker 3: want to dots people, but we kind of think you're
Speaker 3: not really doxing someone if you say which continent they're from.
Speaker 5: I think it's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So in every episode we've played, would you rather, okay,
Speaker 2: would you rather save humanity from extinction? Extinction on Earth
Speaker 2: or guarantee its survival on Mars?
Speaker 4: It's a false dichonomy.
Speaker 3: I think i'd say guarantee Earth that's much better than Mars.
Speaker 3: To be clear, Mars, but Mars is just our best
Speaker 3: option if we want to become a multiplanet species.
Speaker 4: Is really our only option.
Speaker 3: If you want to become a multiplanet species, you've got Mars,
Speaker 3: which it's very difficult but not impossible.
Speaker 4: Earth is much better than Mars. But you know, we can't.
Speaker 3: I think it was Silkowski or I think you said,
Speaker 3: you know, Earth is a cradle of civilization, but we can't.
Speaker 4: Stay in the cradle forever.
Speaker 5: Would you rather be a Marvel superhero or a Bond villain.
Speaker 3: I think it would depend on which Marvel superhero, which
Speaker 3: Bond villain. I suppose I'd rather be a Marvel superhero.
Speaker 3: They did model iron Man in the movies after me.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you were in the Iron Man movie, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Roverdy Junior and Favre met with me, toured SpaceX
Speaker 3: and stuff. So in fact, Iron Man two, a large
Speaker 3: part of the movie is filmed in SpaceX. Really, yes,
Speaker 3: if you look at if you watch Iron Man too,
Speaker 3: you'll see that it's the SpaceX factories.
Speaker 4: Is the actual background that's so cool. Yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 3: We had to Calle Johansson doing marsh in the lobby. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you expect me.
Speaker 4: To believe this is roll real? It's a simulation exactly?
Speaker 4: What are the odds?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean if you and me, no, I agree with.
Speaker 4: Would you think this is real or a simulation?
Speaker 5: Your life is a simulation? Yeah, your life gets to
Speaker 5: be the simulation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I'm like doing all the side quests and everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's your best side quest that do?
Speaker 4: Probably?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: Would you rather launch a social network with no algorithm
Speaker 2: or a rocket with no manual override?
Speaker 4: Who came up with these questions?
Speaker 5: Just keep going? These are funny, Maybe not to you
Speaker 5: because they're too trivial.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, like, like you said that with
Speaker 3: an algorithm means that you basically you only see the
Speaker 3: people you follow, like it's just.
Speaker 2: A mess, like it was Twitter before you bought it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the sort of people you follow, and then
Speaker 3: there's a recommendation algorithm. I think probably in December will
Speaker 3: finally have a half decent recommendation algorithm.
Speaker 5: It's a lot better.
Speaker 4: Recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it really just trying to show people's stuff
Speaker 3: that'd be interested in. But there's an enormous amount of
Speaker 3: AI horsepower being applied to this. Where grock wor thing
Speaker 3: is reading, it's going to read all one hundred million
Speaker 3: posts per day, which is does.
Speaker 5: That take up a lot of compute?
Speaker 3: Hopefully it doesn't destroy its mind or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just take a lot of compute.
Speaker 3: Like most most posts are, there's a lot of spam
Speaker 3: scam stuff, so it's just that can be easily discarded,
Speaker 3: I suppose. But then you've got to take you know,
Speaker 3: hundred million pieces of content match that to I don't know,
Speaker 3: sometimes three or four hundred million people per day, So.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of matching.
Speaker 2: My algorithm needs to look a lot like other peoples
Speaker 2: and you open.
Speaker 5: Their X account. Now mine is very unique comparatively to
Speaker 5: other people's.
Speaker 3: Well, we really are kind of the this is just
Speaker 3: the the beginning kind of thing. The what I mentioned
Speaker 3: that grog reading everything and recommending any given thing to
Speaker 3: anyone should go live in December, so that the asked
Speaker 3: the test with this is are you saying content like
Speaker 3: are you saying content that you find really interesting from
Speaker 3: accounts you've never seen before? If if that's happening, then
Speaker 3: the algorithm is working like it should be possible for
Speaker 3: somebody to put to post content as a new user
Speaker 3: with no followers, and if that content is excellent, it
Speaker 3: gets seen by a lot of people. So can an
Speaker 3: account with a small number of followers or a new
Speaker 3: account if the content is intrinsically excellent, can that content
Speaker 3: be seen by a lot of people?
Speaker 4: That's our goal, all right?
Speaker 2: Last one, would you rather invent time travel or teleportation?
Speaker 4: Actually those things are almost the same thing in.
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