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Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk talking about the DOGE. Here's

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the episode.

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Speaker 2: What was your first thought on how DOGE was going

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to proceed?

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I couldn't believe I was there for

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the most part.

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Speaker 4: It's like.

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Speaker 3: It's all seemed extremely surreal at the time. You know,

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DOGE was a made up name that had been made

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up I don't know, two or three months before and

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based on internet suggestions. And I was going to call

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it the Government Efficiency Commission, and then someone on the

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Internet said no, it should be the Department of Governed

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Efficiency d OG. Like that sounds great. So we just

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kind of made up an apartment.

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Speaker 5: Do you think you were successful.

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Speaker 4: We're a little bit successful.

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Speaker 3: We were somewhat successful. I mean we stopped a lot

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of funding for that that really just made no sense,

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that was just entirely wasteful. Where it was like, for example,

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there was like probably one hundred maybe two hundred million

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dollars with the zombie payments per year, which simply by

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enforcing that there'd be a payment code and an explanation

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for the payment, that the payment would not go out.

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So we've made that change to the main Treasury computer

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and a bunch of other computers. It's like, it seems

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like insanely obvious, but there are just call it a

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two or three percent of government payments that go out

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that really should not be going out, and it's actually

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quite hard to stop. So it's a pretty rare individual

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that would ask the government to stop sending them money.

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Speaker 5: Would you ever do doge again?

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Speaker 4: Do you mean would I repeat history?

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Speaker 5: Or would I Two ways to think about it.

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Speaker 2: One is if you could go back and start from scratch,

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like it's January twentieth all again, would you go back

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and do it differently and knowing what you know now?

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Do you think there's ever a place to restart.

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Speaker 4: You?

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Speaker 5: Not saying others in your.

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Speaker 2: Stead you go back and restart doing dosh?

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Speaker 4: I mean no, I don't think so. I think probably

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I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Would you do doge again? Knowing what you know now?

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Speaker 3: I mean the thing is like I think instead of

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doing doorge, I would have basically built, you know, worked

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in my companies essentially so and not and the cars

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they wouldn't have been burning the cars.

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Speaker 5: You gave up a lot to do.

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Speaker 4: Do. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you if you if you stop money

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going to uh going going for political corruption, they will

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they will lash out big time. So they really want

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the money to keep blowing. So if you stop it

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from flowing, there's like a very strong reaction to to

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stopping the money.

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Speaker 4: Flowing for a while.

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Speaker 5: Did you become disillusioned with how it operates?

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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't say I was super illusioned to begin with.

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I mean, I guess it's just like you really want

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the least amount done by government possible, the least amount.

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I guess maybe maybe, Like the biggest thing is that

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I guess the biggest single thing is is that there

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are massive transfer payments going to legal immigrants, like massive.

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Essentially we're paying people to come here from somewhere else

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in vast numbers, including flying them in, so like it's

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not like you need a border wall if you're flying

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them in then fast tracking them to citizenship and making

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them beholden to just government payments and and voting hard left.

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That's that's essentially it's like voter importation.

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Speaker 4: If if if you if you create.

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Speaker 3: A gigantic money magnet two, as you say, if anyone

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comes here from anywhere else, we're gonna pay you tons

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of money, give you lots of free stuff. Come come,

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come to America and get paid to do so, Like

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you're going to get a lot of people taking up

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on that offer. When people say like this, this, this

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is fake, I'm like, actually, well, let's look at you

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know elan Omar, who was literally was voted into power,

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voted into Congress by uh, you know, a large group

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of people from Smalia who are in Minnesota, which is

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really far from Somalia. Or mom Donnie who was voted

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as to me mayor but if if but by a

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majority of people who are not born in America, does

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minostatic at least so and then then California, say a

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big time situation. So I don't know, we just still

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want to turn into a you know, communist hellhole.

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Speaker 2: Basically, you've said in the future that no one's going

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to need to worry about money or work because AI

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is going to take care of the rest AI and robotics.

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Speaker 5: What do you mean that people won't have to work

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in the future.

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Speaker 3: Assuming the current trend of artificial intelligence and robotics continues,

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which seems likely, the AI and robots will be able

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to do anything that that humans want to want them

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to do. Essentially, so hopefully not than that. But AI

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and robotics will be able to provide us provide all

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the goods and services that anyone could possibly want, So.

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Speaker 5: You wouldn't need to work. What would you do with

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your free time?

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Speaker 3: People will be able to whatever they want with their

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free time. Work will be optional. I'm just want to

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separate out from like what I wish would happen versus

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what I predict will happen, because people get confused about that.

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They think that what I predict will happen is what

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I want it to happen. What I want what I

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predict to happen is not the same as what I

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want to happen. If I could, I would, I would

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certainly slow down AI and robotics, but I can't. It

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seems to be well, it's it's advancing at a very

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rapid pace, whether I.

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Speaker 4: Like it or not.

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Speaker 5: Is AI what keeps you up at night?

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Speaker 4: It used to be at this point, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say there's there's nothing particularly keeping me up

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at night right now except that, But do you say, what?

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Speaker 4: What? Why do I wake up in nightmares? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I actually I've had a lot of AI nightmares.

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I had AI nightmares many days in a row. What

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am I supposed to do about it?

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Speaker 5: What's your biggest irrational fear?

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Speaker 4: I try not to have irrational fears.

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Speaker 5: None.

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Speaker 3: If I find an irrational fear, I squell shit. I

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don't believe fear is fear is the mind killer. So

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I'm about somebody who feels fear strongly on average?

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Speaker 5: How many hours do you sleep the night?

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Speaker 4: Six?

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Speaker 3: You can tell, but based on my exposts, yes you can.

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People have actually map them. It's very clear when I'm

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sleeping around'm on. I tried having less than six hours sleep,

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but although I'm awake more hours per day, my cognitive

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function is reduced, so my natural sleep and actually timed

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it with the phone.

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Speaker 4: They can get a phone app.

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Speaker 3: To time it. It's like five hours fifty six minutes.

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That's what the phone said.

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Speaker 5: What's an average day for you?

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Speaker 4: Look like?

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Speaker 3: Well, I have a lot of inbound communication, so it's

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information trioge. I try to segment the days so that

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there's not too much context switching, because arguably fear is

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not the mind and killer. Context switching is. It's hard

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enough to context switch if you've got an inbox full

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of stuff, but you can think of, like if you

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have to context switch every three seconds or every thirty

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seconds or every three minutes, the context switching cognitive penalty

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would be very high every three seconds.

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Speaker 5: And you're talking about switching between say Tesla.

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Speaker 2: X x AI SpaceX Personal, SpaceX Personal.

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Speaker 3: But even within Tesla and SpaceX there are many different

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things and this sort of the stuff on X like

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random news things, you know, people being bunt alive and

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stuff like that, and like, what the hell is going

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on in this country?

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Speaker 5: Who's the funniest person you know? In real life?

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Speaker 4: You know, President Trump is very funny. He's got a

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great sense of humor.

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Speaker 5: President Trump is very funny.

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Speaker 3: They're very funny. It's like naturally funny, but it's somewhat effortless.

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I mean, you know when he has had at mcdanie

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in the office and they asked him if he still

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thought the president was fascist, and the President said, just

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say yes, it's easier that way, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 4: He's like, you, guys, what a how silly?

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Speaker 5: Who do you look up to the most?

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Speaker 4: The Creator?

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Speaker 5: What's your current position on God?

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Speaker 4: God is the Creator?

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Speaker 5: You don't believe in God though, do you?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I believe there was this universe came for something. People

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have different labels.

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Speaker 2: When's the last time you did something extremely ordinary like

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go to Target or CBS.

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Speaker 4: I can't go to Thanks with as the general public because.

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Speaker 3: I you meet there, there's an immediate can I have

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a selfie line?

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Speaker 4: That forms in these.

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Speaker 3: Days, particularly in light of Charlie Cook's motor there are

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serious security issues.

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Speaker 4: It's not that I don't want to, I simply can't.

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Speaker 2: Has Charlie's murder changed how you do things? Or were

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you already locked down pretty fall before that?

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Speaker 3: It certainly reinforced the severity of the situation where life

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is on hardcore mode. You make one mistake in your dad,

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it only takes one mistake.

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Speaker 5: What's one moment in your life that you could live

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again just to feel it well?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I see when my kids are born, or

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the first time SpaceX got to orbit, or tells the

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made electric car work.

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Speaker 5: You've had a big lot of them.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of things. There's luck coming down the pike,

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like what starship.

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Speaker 4: They agree to.

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Speaker 3: Which a starship is a revolutionary technology is not well

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understood in the world. It's the first time that there's

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been any rocket design where full and rapid reausability as

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possible or full reasonbility at all as possible. This is

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the first design where a reusable rocket. It's one of

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the possible archives. Whay success is in a set of

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possible orcoms?

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Speaker 5: Are you talking about in V three or B two?

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Speaker 4: Well, we could have made V two.

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Speaker 3: Reusable, but the but there were a lot of performance

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improvements for V three, so it made sense to go

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to V three. They're just there's like ten thousand different

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changes between B two and B three, maybe more than

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ten thousand really so, but starship, if there are historians

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in the future of we'll look back and a starship

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and say it was one of the most profound things

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that ever happened. Now you can think of historic events

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as where would they fit on the in the evolutionary

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Hall of fame. So you've got things like a single

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cell life. Then you've got you know, multi cellular life

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capturing a mitochondria capturing mitochondria so that you have a

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power cell in the plant in the cell.

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Speaker 4: You've got like a power plant in the cell.

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Speaker 3: You've got you know, differentiation into plants and animals, life

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going from oceans to land and then also on that scale,

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probably in the top ten is life becoming multiplanetary. There

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just aren't very many things that are in the top

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ten of the evolution of life or where you could

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basically say you could evaluate any given civilization or any

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given life form as you know, on that.

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Speaker 4: On that scale.

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Speaker 3: So life becoming multiplanetary, it's on the top ten. It

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needs to be sustainably multip multiplanetary. So I'm not just

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visiting but actually multiplanetary in the sense that if you

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have planetary redundancy, so if one of the planets, if

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they were to be a catastrophe one of the planets, the.

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Speaker 4: Other planet would spive.

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Speaker 5: All of your country.

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Speaker 3: Starship is capable during that for the first time in history,

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and no AI was used to create it, So I

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will appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Are all of your companies working towards that same goal

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to help us become multiplanetary? Like does the AI exist

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to be able to help life on Mars or is

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that primarily for what is happening here currently?

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Speaker 4: You know tells us.

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Speaker 3: Mostly about making sure life on Earth is good as

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an NXAI is about that too, because multiplanetary means Earth's

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got to be good and you need another planet. Sometimes

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people think, because they have you know, legacy templates, mental templates,

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they think that going to Mars is an escape from

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Earth and like order that there would be some you know,

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a place where billionaires would go or something like that.

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base will be also dangerous, much more dangerous and much

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less comfortable than Earth. So the people that would go

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in the early days to make life multiplanetary and Mars

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or the Moon.

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Speaker 4: They would have a much higher risk of death.

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Speaker 3: Than if then if they stayed on Earth, and things

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would be cramped and uncomfortable. So that's that's the sales

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pitch for Mars. It's going to be uncomfortable, the food

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won't be as good as Earth. You might die, it's

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going to be a massive amount of hard work, and

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it may not succeed.

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Speaker 4: That's the sales pitch. Do you want to go?

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Speaker 5: Same when people came to America.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't want to be in Jamestown.

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Speaker 5: People went anyway.

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there's a whole bunch of people just dispear. You don't

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know what happened to them.

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Speaker 2: You talk a lot about X about wardrobe and how

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you wish current wardrobe would be differently.

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Speaker 3: I just think like from a fashion standpoint, we should evolve.

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does everything look like it's twenty fifteen. I was like,

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damn things do everything does look like it's twenty fifteen.

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a decade.

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Speaker 5: So what should it look like?

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Speaker 4: Something new?

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Speaker 3: You know, like the sixties had a definitive style, the

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seventies had a definitive style, the eighties had a definitive style,

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and then the nineties also had a different style.

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Speaker 4: But then you start looking at.

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Speaker 3: The two thousands and the twenty tens, and it's like

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less and less every year. I think we should before

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of our style. And if you'll get some of the

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older paintings, you know past cabinet secretaries, some of them

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like they look cool, Like their jackets are cooler than

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what we have right now.

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Speaker 4: You know, they have sort of like a high collar.

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Speaker 3: And like a sort of I don't know what some

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sort of what do you cool those things? Ascot or

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something like that. This looks cool, like so we don't.

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but like literally the same as twenty fifteen. I'm being

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generous because augilbly the same as twenty ten. So in

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fifteen years and I'm like, from a fashion standpoint, I

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don't think.

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Speaker 4: We've moved since two thousand. In twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: If you showed someone a picture of this is a

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bunch of there's a bunch of dudes in twenty two thousand,

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there's a bunch of dudes in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Which year is which? So I think we should I

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don't know, spice it up a little.

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Speaker 5: What's a conspiracy theory?

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Speaker 1: If you like this episode, just like share and follow

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this podcast. Thank you. Back to the show.

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Speaker 5: Can you believe in?

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Speaker 3: I mean, which conspiracy theories haven't come true at this point?

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If we're not out of conspiracy theories, that because it

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will come true as far as I can tell. I mean,

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I don't know if any aliens. People always asked me

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if there are aliens. I have seen no evidence of aliens.

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No one on the SpaceX Senior team has any evidence

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of aliens, because I've asked him, like, guys, am I

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missing something? Has anyone on the team? Has anyone seen

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any evidence of aliens?

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Speaker 5: Does that include UFOs?

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Speaker 4: That's just an unidentified blank object.

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Speaker 3: So so UFOs like it could be like some new

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weapons program or whatever that's you know, some hypersonic missile

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or something.

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Speaker 4: Like that, that that.

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Speaker 3: Will be technically a UFO, but it's it's just it's

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just basically some weapons prototype.

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Speaker 4: It's not. It's not like aliens.

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Speaker 3: So although Neil Armstrong Neil A spelled backwards as alien.

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Speaker 5: Coincidence, you believe we actually went to the moon?

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Speaker 3: Yes, went to the moon a few times actually and

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played golf on the moon. Yeah, we didn't just go

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to the moon. We actually got a little board and

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started playing golf on the moon.

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Speaker 2: But why didn't the flag move? There's like that constuct

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I was to jump the talk moment about the flag.

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Speaker 4: No, the playing golf on the moon Okay, yeah, I

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literally did no.

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Speaker 5: I understand that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wead golf. Well on the moon is there?

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Speaker 5: There's no gravity though, right.

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Speaker 3: So there is gravity one six If it wasn't gravity,

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you just float away. There's no atmosphere, fair, but there

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is one sixth gravity.

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Speaker 5: What's the biggest misconception about you?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, how would I know?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I think it's I get asked this a lot when

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I do interviews about you. Me, Oh, I got everyone

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always thinks you're a very difficult person to work for.

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Speaker 5: Oh, but you're I think you're very kind.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Like people think which you're you are like a

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very demanding boss.

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Speaker 5: I think that you are. I've never heard you yell

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at any employee.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think every employee who works at every single one

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of your companies is incredibly mission driven, which is unlike

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any other workplace I've ever seen. Like Starbase is the

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most inspirational place you'll ever go to. Right, everyone is

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there to work on a singular goal. And so I think,

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to me, the biggest misconception about you is how every

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employee at all of your companies are fiercely loyal because

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it's all mission driven. And you are a very good

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employer to work for, and I think people assume you're not.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: Well, why would they think anyone would work at the companies? Yeah,

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I mean talent. I mean talented people can go work

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anywhere they want. So they're only going to work at

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one of my companies if if they want to, and

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if they're mistreated in some.

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Speaker 4: Way, they would they would leave and go work somewhere else.

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Speaker 5: How'd you come up with the idea for starbas.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we needed a something inspirational.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: We kind of have a lot of star things, you know,

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so we get Starlink Starship. Well, where would starship depart

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from star Base? I mean a star base is as

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you mentioned, it's it's like I think it's probably the

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coolest place on Earth. I agree. And it used to

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it used to be a sand bar down by the

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Rio Grande. I mean it's only like three feet above

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sea level. So we built a gigantic rocket factory and

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two giant launch towers down by the river, literally within

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side of the Rio grand and on on on. An

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actual sandbar kind of had to have like an inspirational name,

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and then we made it a city.

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Speaker 4: So it's an incorporated city, like legally a city. You

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don't you don't hear about new cities being formed that often.

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Speaker 5: The last time there was a company town it was

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disney World.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think Ford had some kind of like company town situations,

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but but yeah, just disney World is it's literally its name.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm Walt Disney. This is my world. I've gone

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from land to World.

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Speaker 3: They got like incorporated as a city and got tax exemption,

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which was like a whole It was a was a

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big deal. I've been disney World probably ten times, really yeah,

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maybe more than maybe ten, but at least ten times

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because Cape Canaveral is right by disney World.

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Speaker 5: This makes sense.

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Speaker 3: So when I'd have the kids, then I would uh

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my older kids, and I was we're trying to get

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the rocket launched from Kpnavil. Then you know, the thing

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they'd want to do is go to disney World or

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Harry Potterland.

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Speaker 5: What's your favorite ride?

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Speaker 3: I sort of attempted to say Space Mountain. I suppose, yeah,

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play Space Mountain. I mean, I do think Space Mountain

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needs an upgrade.

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Speaker 5: It's a little hardey jerkey.

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Speaker 3: The it doesn't look quite as sci fi as it

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used to. You know, it's like it's like the day

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before yesterday's tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Protistal yesterday.

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Speaker 5: What's your favorite age to parent of your kids?

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Speaker 4: Generally kids are the most fun between five and ten.

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Speaker 5: Do you think humanity is inherently good or is it

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just trying to be?

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Speaker 3: The concept of good wouldn't exist without humanity. I think

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I do think humanity is on balance good, you know.

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I generally think like increasing the amount of consciousness in

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the universe is a good thing. Try to understand the

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nature of the universe, which you can only do by

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increasing the increasing conscious awareness. I mean, I've thought about, like,

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how did we get here? Because if we did, sought

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out as a hydrogen gas cloud that's sort of condensed

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and then form stars, and then these stars exploded, and

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then they recondensed form stars again and then exploded again,

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and then eventually you get to us thirteen point eight

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billion years later. And one of the interesting questions to

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think about is how many times have your atoms been

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at the center of a star? I think it's like,

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on average three or four times something like that. Then

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how many times will your atoms be at the center

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of a start it's vary, but it seems like we're

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roughly halfway. So your atoms is likely to be at

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the center of the star maybe another four times or

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something like that. It depends on what your predictions are

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for the future. But in terms of existence, as measured

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by the number of times your atoms will be at

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the center of a star, we seem to be roughly

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halfway that. Really, you know, if you want to look

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at the big picture, that's the really big picture.

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Speaker 5: What's one invention that's made us worse, not better.

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Speaker 4: It's one adventure that's made us worse. Invention maybe short

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form video. It seems to be writing people's brains.

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Speaker 5: What's one piece of technology you hope never gets invented.

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Speaker 4: I hope and I hope never gets invented, Like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's gonna destroy us all or you think

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with the proper safeguards.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously, I hope, like the people don't

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invent a.

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Speaker 3: Virus that can kill all humans, Like that's an obvious thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, generally, I hope mentions that destroy consciousness are not invented.

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Speaker 4: I think the future is going to look very interesting.

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Speaker 3: So it's I do have this theory about the predicting

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the future, which is that the most interesting outcome is

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the most likely, which if simulation theory is accurate, makes

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sense because if anyone is simulating a wide range of futures,

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they're going to stop the simulation when it gets boring,

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because this is what we do in our reality. So

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if SpaceX is doing hotels are doing simulations to understand

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how a car would work, or robot or space or

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something like that. We run all these simulations in the computer,

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and the simulations that we pay attention to, the ones

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that are the most interesting, like the simulation where everything

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goes right on the rocket, we actually don't pay attention

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to because that's that's not a everything goes right simulation.

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Is it's fine, So we actually test the you know,

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when we simulate the rocket flight, we'll actually test all

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sorts of odd ball situations, but we don't test it.

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We don't have the simulation be totally wrong because I mean,

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like if the rocket just explodes immediately, that's not also

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not interesting.

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Speaker 4: So it's like you need to.

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Speaker 3: Find the envelope of possible flight paths where the rocket

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can make it to orbit and without exploding, and then

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you find those boundaries, and then when you launch the

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actual you try to make sure it stays within those boundaries.

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Or another way to think of it is like we

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could be an alien Netflix series and that that series

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is only going to get continued if our ratings are good.

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Speaker 5: Are the ratings good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But you can think of it like from Darwinian sandpoint applied.

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If you apply it Darwin to simulation theory, then the

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only the most interesting simulations will continue. Therefore, the most

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interesting outcome is most likely because it's either that or annihilation.

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Speaker 4: So really we have one goal, keep it interesting.

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Speaker 2: Do you think social media has made people more honest

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or more performative?

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Speaker 3: Well, social media makes people more performative. By the same token,

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you you get more real life video of things that

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are actually happening, and anything that is very interesting will

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spare we'll go viral on the internet.

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Speaker 4: So you have both.

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Speaker 3: You've got more performative where people are doing anything they

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can to get a few more views on their TikTok

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video or whatever, or their reels or maybe on their

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ex post or something, and so that's very performative. But

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then you also see real life videos that are that

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challenge the narrative, but are nonetheless real.

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Speaker 5: Is there any X accounts?

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Speaker 2: You're surprised when you changed it so people could see

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country of origin that wasn't in the United States that

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you thought was in.

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Speaker 5: The United States.

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Speaker 3: I don't really think about it that much. I mean,

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there's in a country of origin. We have to be

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a little careful about this. You can actually technically you're

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just specify your region, like you can say I'm in

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Asia or something like that, which is quite big. But

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it does make it a little harder that if somebody

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is trying to put ten that they're i say, a

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member of the American public or in Europe or Africa wherever.

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If they're you know, if everything about their account is

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from a different continent than they are pretending to be from,

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it's a guess a little harder to pretend. We don't

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want to dots people, but we kind of think you're

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not really doxing someone if you say which continent they're from.

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Speaker 5: I think it's fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So in every episode we've played, would you rather, okay,

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would you rather save humanity from extinction? Extinction on Earth

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or guarantee its survival on Mars?

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Speaker 4: It's a false dichonomy.

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Speaker 3: I think i'd say guarantee Earth that's much better than Mars.

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To be clear, Mars, but Mars is just our best

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option if we want to become a multiplanet species.

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Speaker 4: Is really our only option.

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Speaker 3: If you want to become a multiplanet species, you've got Mars,

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which it's very difficult but not impossible.

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Speaker 4: Earth is much better than Mars. But you know, we can't.

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Speaker 3: I think it was Silkowski or I think you said,

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you know, Earth is a cradle of civilization, but we can't.

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Speaker 4: Stay in the cradle forever.

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Speaker 5: Would you rather be a Marvel superhero or a Bond villain.

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Speaker 3: I think it would depend on which Marvel superhero, which

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Bond villain. I suppose I'd rather be a Marvel superhero.

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They did model iron Man in the movies after me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you were in the Iron Man movie, right, Yes,

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that's pretty much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Roverdy Junior and Favre met with me, toured SpaceX

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and stuff. So in fact, Iron Man two, a large

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part of the movie is filmed in SpaceX. Really, yes,

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if you look at if you watch Iron Man too,

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you'll see that it's the SpaceX factories.

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Speaker 4: Is the actual background that's so cool. Yeah, it was cool.

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Speaker 3: We had to Calle Johansson doing marsh in the lobby. Actually, yeah,

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and you expect me.

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Speaker 4: To believe this is roll real? It's a simulation exactly?

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What are the odds?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean if you and me, no, I agree with.

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Speaker 4: Would you think this is real or a simulation?

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Speaker 5: Your life is a simulation? Yeah, your life gets to

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be the simulation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like doing all the side quests and everything.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what's your best side quest that do?

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Speaker 4: Probably?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Would you rather launch a social network with no algorithm

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or a rocket with no manual override?

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Speaker 4: Who came up with these questions?

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Speaker 5: Just keep going? These are funny, Maybe not to you

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because they're too trivial.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean, like, like you said that with

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an algorithm means that you basically you only see the

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people you follow, like it's just.

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Speaker 2: A mess, like it was Twitter before you bought it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the sort of people you follow, and then

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there's a recommendation algorithm. I think probably in December will

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finally have a half decent recommendation algorithm.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot better.

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Speaker 4: Recently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it really just trying to show people's stuff

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that'd be interested in. But there's an enormous amount of

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AI horsepower being applied to this. Where grock wor thing

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is reading, it's going to read all one hundred million

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posts per day, which is does.

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Speaker 5: That take up a lot of compute?

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Speaker 3: Hopefully it doesn't destroy its mind or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just take a lot of compute.

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Speaker 3: Like most most posts are, there's a lot of spam

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scam stuff, so it's just that can be easily discarded,

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I suppose. But then you've got to take you know,

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hundred million pieces of content match that to I don't know,

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sometimes three or four hundred million people per day, So.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot of matching.

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Speaker 2: My algorithm needs to look a lot like other peoples

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and you open.

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Speaker 5: Their X account. Now mine is very unique comparatively to

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other people's.

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Speaker 3: Well, we really are kind of the this is just

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the the beginning kind of thing. The what I mentioned

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that grog reading everything and recommending any given thing to

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anyone should go live in December, so that the asked

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the test with this is are you saying content like

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are you saying content that you find really interesting from

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accounts you've never seen before? If if that's happening, then

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the algorithm is working like it should be possible for

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somebody to put to post content as a new user

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with no followers, and if that content is excellent, it

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gets seen by a lot of people. So can an

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account with a small number of followers or a new

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account if the content is intrinsically excellent, can that content

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be seen by a lot of people?

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Speaker 4: That's our goal, all right?

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Speaker 2: Last one, would you rather invent time travel or teleportation?

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Speaker 4: Actually those things are almost the same thing in.

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Speaker 1: That Thanks for listening to this podcast. If you want

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