WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:02.960 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.879 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:07.240 on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:13.759 What else is going on? Time for what's happening? Wow? 5 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:18.239 Well, the story that's been followed internationally is the health 6 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:21.559 of Pope Francis. According to the Vatican, he continues his 7 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:25.160 recovery from pneumonia. The Vatican set in motion a nightly 8 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:28.199 marathon of prayers from his house. Allies have been cheering 9 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.039 him on and hopes that he might recover. He might 10 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:34.560 recover and get back to leading the Catholic Church. The 11 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.359 typical morning briefing was very brief. All it said was 12 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:40.880 the Pope slept well all night. 13 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.320 That's awful. Yeah, that's awful. 14 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:49.840 A fresh search for the Malaysia flight Malaysia Airlines Flight 15 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.240 three seventy. Remember, a fresh search has been launched. More 16 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:58.479 than a decade after that plane went missing. The exploration 17 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.039 firm Ocean Infinity of resume the hunt for the missing plane. 18 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:06.760 There have been so many conspiracy theories about this one 19 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:13.159 the Malaysia. The country says that it welcomes the proactiveness 20 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:16.599 of the firm to deploy their ships to begin the search. 21 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:18.359 They don't know how long this is going to last. 22 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.519 They don't know why or when they decided to kick 23 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:26.480 off this latest hunt. But this was the Boeing Triple 24 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:29.159 seven carrying two hundred and thirty nine people that just 25 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.439 vanished from radar screens. It was March twenty fourteen. It 26 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.920 was en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. 27 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:42.879 Margin in aviation history. 28 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:42.159 They a couple of different things. 29 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:47.480 Obviously, one of the theories was that the pilot himself went 30 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.120 rogue and put this thing in the ocean pretty quickly. 31 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:51.799 Others had suggested. 32 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.760 That it landed somewhere and all of the people were 33 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:58.879 absconded to March. I don't know whatever their plane, whatever 34 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:04.439 their crazy series where Occham's razor comes into play. It's 35 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:09.520 probably just an airplane that crashed into the ocean. Unfortunately, 36 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.919 it crashed into a place on the Earth that is 37 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.520 not covered by airplane radar the way it exists now. 38 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:19.039 One of the things that you weren't here last week, 39 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:24.879 but I talked with with Jay Ratlif, the iHeartRadio aviation analyst. 40 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.520 We were talking about upgrades to the FAA system air 41 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.439 traffic control, et cetera. And he actually pointed to this 42 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:34.960 Malaysia Airlines three seventy as one of the arguments in 43 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:39.879 favor of doing satellite tracking on airplanes, on all airliners, 44 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.759 because obviously you'd be able to cover the globe. We 45 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:44.960 would have a much better indication as to where this 46 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.000 airplane went. But it's a lot easier and a lot 47 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:53.919 more technologically feasible to be able to put airplane GPS 48 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:58.360 locators in each airplane and have it, you know, bouncing 49 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:01.400 off different satellites throughout the core of the world every 50 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:02.080 single day. 51 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:03.879 It's just a better way to do it. 52 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.120 I don't know what changes in the world of these 53 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:10.199 searchers where they think now is the time to go 54 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.360 back out and find it, except that it would simply 55 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.560 be on a no find, no fee principle, which means 56 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.120 if they don't find the airplane, they don't get paid 57 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.520 for it. Apparently the Indianesia, sorry, the Malaysian government said 58 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.919 that they would write a check for seventy million dollars 59 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.240 if the company finds the airplane. 60 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:33.919 Yeahvin Newsom has launched a new state website. This is 61 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.800 kind of taking a page from Elon Musk's book. This 62 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.479 is something Newsome will trot out when he tries to 63 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.360 appeal to the moderates in this country when he runs 64 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.840 for president. It's kind of like a transparent way to 65 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:49.960 see how your money's being spent when it comes to homelessness. 66 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.960 It's going to be a website that tracks county progress 67 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:59.599 on homeless county by county snapshots of spending on behavioral health, homelessness, 68 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:03.479 and how it provides information on spending in all fifty 69 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.039 eight counties across the state. So that when people can 70 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.199 say the Gavenusom, look at your stated some mess, look 71 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.319 at the homelessness, he can say, look, I met the 72 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.800 moment in real time. I put together a website that 73 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:19.639 tracks the spending of the money that voters have approved to. 74 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:21.199 Fix this problem. 75 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:25.600 However, the California State Association of Counties said that this 76 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:29.120 website is just a spin without substance to back exactly. 77 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.959 There's gonna be no substance, There's gonna be no transparency. 78 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.959 This is just Gaven Newsom saying he's done a thing. Yeah, 79 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.800 there's no The emperor has no clothes. When it comes 80 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:41.240 to this transparency website, I'll tell you that there's gonna 81 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.920 be very scant information release to there. 82 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.639 There is a bunch of hand ringing going on about 83 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:51.879 a homeless guy who finally had his homeless encampment torn down. Finally, 84 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.839 the man was positioned just off the one ten Freeway, 85 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.000 said he'd been there for five years and never been 86 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.639 bothered until Friday, received note that that day while he 87 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.839 was at work, never got any follow up afterwards, and 88 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:06.839 when he woke up morning Monday morning, crews were already 89 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:09.920 there and they took almost everything, leaving behind some of 90 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.800 the tools that he actually needs for his job. He 91 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.120 said he's not sure what caused them to suddenly evict 92 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.199 them from the area, and he had no idea where 93 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:17.639 he can go. 94 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:17.879 Now. 95 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:19.720 If you've seen this, by the way. 96 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:23.600 It looked like it was made, it looked like the 97 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.279 side of a house because of everything that he had 98 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.519 done there. There were piles of precisely placed rocks that 99 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:34.759 separated his finger quotes property from the embankment of the royo. 100 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:37.040 Seko said he had a bathtub, said he had a 101 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:41.639 working kitchen. Trust me, you didn't. And they can't figure 102 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.360 out why. Gosh, I don't know why. After five years, 103 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.120 this guy finally be guess he shouldn't have been there. 104 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.600 In the first place. He should not have. 105 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.000 Been allowed to post a makeshift home in the first place. 106 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:57.800 This reminds me of remember those abandoned towers. I think 107 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.399 there was supposed to be condo towers in downtown LA 108 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:05.040 where graffiti tower. Yes, every floor was covered with graffiti. Well, 109 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:10.360 there's a new one in it's either going to be 110 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:16.560 Studio City somewhere. It's just south of the one thirty 111 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.000 four freeway as you're driving through the valley here. And 112 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:21.759 it used to be a big bank building, used to 113 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.439 be a big Washington Mutual when Washington Mutuals the thing 114 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:26.879 was taken over by another bank. Now since they've taken 115 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.000 the name plate off of it, it's an abandoned building. 116 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.639 And if you look closely, it's covered with graffiti on 117 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.800 the inside of the windows. So if you're looking at 118 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:39.560 it from a distance, you can't really tell. You get 119 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:41.560 closer and you slow down on the freeway, Please don't 120 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:42.519 slow down on the freeway. 121 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:43.519 That's part of my way home. 122 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.839 But you can tell it's destroyed on the inside, one 123 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.399 hundred percent covered by graffiti. And people who would argue 124 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.680 something like, well that's just the way Los Angeles is. 125 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:58.079 It's like an art form out of the that's what's wrong. 126 00:06:58.560 --> 00:06:59.959 That's what's wrong with this place. 127 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.040 Now, that's just where you go to do drugs for 128 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.000 three weeks and no one will find you. 129 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:06.240 I don't want to. 130 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.040 It's not for you. It's not what those places are 131 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:10.480 built for. 132 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:11.000 Okay. 133 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.600 An online content creator has been charged with criminal mischief 134 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.120 for I usually don't like to shed light on online 135 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.319 content creators, but this is a good story. 136 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.120 Well just don't say what the name is. That way, 137 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:25.279 there you go. 138 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.680 This person has been charged with criminal mischief a female 139 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.680 I will add because it adds to the story, for 140 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:35.040 allegedly making disturbing videos of her contaminating store products by 141 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:41.759 urinating on them. This is an investigation and a product 142 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.399 recall that dates back to four years ago. There was 143 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.439 an anonymous tip regarding a woman twenty three years old 144 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:54.000 who had posted disturbing videos to her Internet site of 145 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:57.120 her peeing on items in a local business. 146 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.199 Let's get this, monad Knock Food co Op has you 147 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:07.959 shoot a voluntary recall for their red Kinwa, white Kinwa, Tricolor, Quenoa, cornmeal, polenta, 148 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.759 coconut shreds, and raw walnuts. 149 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.240 How much urine nebra tebra. 150 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:17.360 Yes, yes, this is like your ale of the store. 151 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:21.399 Do you ever think about who's been urinating? 152 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:22.279 Noo? 153 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:24.040 I no, I don't want. 154 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:24.399 To think of that. 155 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.199 I mean that polenta may come with a side of urine, 156 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:33.320 the raw walnuts you put on your salad urine walnuts? 157 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:35.440 E god? 158 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:40.799 I mean, why would you pee on the keen wah? 159 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.600 I don't understand what does quenua do to you? I mean, 160 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.720 we have somebody pissed off at keenwak. 161 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.159 Question? There you go. I have a question. 162 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.399 In these vegan markets, it's the keen wa just exposed. 163 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.039 It's not like in a box. It could be like 164 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:55.480 in a bin. 165 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:59.159 I don't go to vegan markets, but the keen wa 166 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:01.960 that I buy is usually a in a bag. 167 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.080 I don't think I've ever seen it in an open somewhere. 168 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.600 And well, you haven't been to the Mono Doc food 169 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:11.600 co Op, which sounds pretty exposed, doesn't It sounds like 170 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.480 you what would be out and open for everyone to 171 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:15.039 see and feel and touch and pee on. 172 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:16.320 I guess it's a vegan hater. 173 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:20.799 Maybe maybe yeah, maybe she does look like she has 174 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.600 color in her cheeks when I'm looking at this mug shot. 175 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:29.960 She may eat meat. Color of my you do? 176 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:30.840 You do? 177 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.879 I'm sorry that was a low shot, all right, I 178 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:35.039 didn't mean it about you. 179 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.679 There are some vegan zebra. You have to agree that 180 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.759 you lack color. Absolutely, they they yes. It's almost like 181 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.360 some people who are on some of those weight loss 182 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.799 you know, drugs, and how they look very gaunt. 183 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.639 Right, there are some vegans that look that way. 184 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.919 Right, you have a beautiful color and glow to you 185 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:57.080 when we come back our philosophical question of the day, Gary. 186 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:59.320 Gerry looks more like the vegan Why wait? 187 00:09:59.399 --> 00:09:59.639 Why? 188 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:01.440 Because you have a lighter skin. 189 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.200 I spent all weekend in Arizona in the sunshine. 190 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:06.759 I haven't seen you. I don't know. 191 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:09.879 I'm pasty white, you're alway. 192 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.600 I've never seen you in a tan. It's either pasty 193 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:14.639 white or sunburn. 194 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:18.080 It's it's pretty good gas. Actually, Oh, Gary Shennon. 195 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.360 Well in the coast of Asia here, I listen to 196 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:28.679 you talking about the touring you know, Sharia and the 197 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.759 other torture countries where they take you to bombed out 198 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.080 tourist attractions and whatever. What if you wanted to go 199 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:41.559 like Auschwitz or bad the tour there is that like 200 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.799 in the same scale as you guys were talking about morning. 201 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:48.360 Gary Shennon, Yeah, I agree, it is kind of sick 202 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:49.879 to go through that place. But what is it the 203 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.360 difference of going to the Holocaust over in Germany to 204 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:55.279 those camps where they killed a lot of people? 205 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:55.960 What about that? 206 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.480 What's explained the difference between Because I'm kind of confused him, 207 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:01.799 though I do agree with you though. 208 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.639 HI have a good day. That's your philosophical question for 209 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:05.919 the day. 210 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:12.000 I think it's because people who go see the places 211 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:15.879 involved with the Holocaust feel a sense of connection to 212 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.000 them because of their relatives were there or on either uh, 213 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:24.960 their relatives were involved. 214 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.799 I also think it's because I don't want to say 215 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.320 it was a happy ending, but the good guys won. 216 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.840 I don't think it comes any part in going to 217 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.080 see the Holocaust places, but I mean that there is 218 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.279 that it's not going to happen again, right, I mean, 219 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.440 we hopefully don't. 220 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:46.399 Go there close. 221 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:48.960 No people go there to sit in the sorrow and 222 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.159 realize the hell that people went through. 223 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:53.960 But it's only available to them because it ended the 224 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.279 way it did. I mean, if I. 225 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:00.279 Just don't think that that gets to be put in 226 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.360 the conversation. If you're going to go to a concentration camp, 227 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.679 nobody's thinking like, Oh, we're so lucky that we get 228 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.759 to be here because of the good guys winning, you 229 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:10.519 know what I mean, Like it's just to go there 230 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.799 and feel like hell, and feel the pain and realize 231 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:18.679 that you had ancestors that died there or people that 232 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.200 survived that and everything that went. 233 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:22.519 I think it's just a heavy place. 234 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.840 I think people feel like it's kind of like going 235 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.720 to Pearl Harbor. It's the same thing of just going 236 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.879 there and just there's no silver lining. 237 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:32.679 To going to those places. 238 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:34.720 I don't think, at least when I went to the 239 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:40.360 Pearl Harbor Memorial, there was no silver lining, you know 240 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.320 what I mean, Like you're standing there and you're just 241 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.960 thinking about everything that happened that day and subsequently. 242 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.279 And I think. 243 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:49.960 That we're more connected to that than going to a 244 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.159 village in Syria or Ukraine, because that's our American history. 245 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:55.320 Are those things? 246 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.639 But the other thing, well, I mean American history and 247 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:02.320 that we helped liberate those those concentration camps. 248 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:04.320 Right No, But I mean like as opposed to going 249 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.000 to Ukraine and going to right, yeah, you know, the 250 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:07.720 village where. 251 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.600 The other aspect of it is it's a safe place 252 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.360 to go, and I mean just physically right now. You 253 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.000 went in twenty twenty five to Booken Vault or something 254 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.639 like that. It's a safe place to go. There's no 255 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:19.639 threat to your life. 256 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:21.440 And there is. 257 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:26.440 An again I'm using the wrong words, there's a luxury 258 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.240 to be able to go to that place right now 259 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.399 and sit in the sorrow of what happened there. You're 260 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.639 not going to go to a concentration camp that exists 261 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.919 in Siberia today to sit in the sorrow of because 262 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.279 you can't get there. You're not allowed to go there. 263 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.159 I mean, there's a bunch of stuff that goes into it, 264 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:47.799 but it is also because it was eighty years ago. 265 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:50.399 To me, it's one of those it goes under the 266 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:56.039 umbrella of ridiculously rich, sick entitled people luxuries to say 267 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.120 I'm going to go to Syria and take pictures of 268 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.159 me at the village where two hundreds pavillions were slaughtered 269 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:04.840 because I could afford the weird travel accommodations, you know, 270 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.840 And it's just who you have to have crazy amounts 271 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.120 of money to make able to be able to make 272 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.480 that trip. Happen, and then who are you showing those 273 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:17.639 pictures to somebody with your urinated walnuts? 274 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:21.000 Like you know, I went to see. I don't know, 275 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:22.159 what are you trying to do there? 276 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:23.960 I feel like when I looked at the pictures of 277 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.519 that article in the Telegraph on danger tourism, it was 278 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:32.200 like all these well to do people buy in large 279 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:36.200 white who are just like, look at us, We're here 280 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:40.440 in a beanie in Syria, Like aren't we interesting. 281 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:41.000 Kind of thing? 282 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.320 Well as opposed to this is me and Bimini or 283 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:46.720 Bali or something like that, exactly right. 284 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:48.879 This is an awful story. 285 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:54.799 Yeah, I know, God, I like I because we were. 286 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.159 Keana gave us a story earlier in the week, which 287 00:14:59.200 --> 00:14:59.840 was yesterday. 288 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:01.559 It's been a long one and. 289 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.320 I was just kind of like just reading through the 290 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.399 beginning parts of it about this couple in Toronto and 291 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.960 they sound lovely and a normal couple that you'd be 292 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.000 friends with, and the kids and the careers and everything, 293 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.080 and okay, it ends in murder, and it's it's so 294 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:24.919 interesting when you know what the details are, but when 295 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:30.639 you dig in to the specific details of the details, 296 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.399 how sad and dark it gets. 297 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:34.600 This is one of those things. 298 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.960 My god, there's an aspect of these stories when we 299 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.279 do our true Crime Tuesday stories, there's an aspect of 300 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.159 it that is the worst of humanity. 301 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.399 I mean, there's a there's a darkness to some of 302 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:46.000 these stories. 303 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.080 It's just it's scary because you look at these people 304 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.159 and you hear about them, and they seem normal. 305 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.200 And like we said, class, why do we murder? Love 306 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:56.480 and money? Usually? 307 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.879 Right, this one's got both of those things. But it's 308 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:03.159 not just psychopaths that murder people ordinary. 309 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:04.440 That's what it is. 310 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.799 And I think that's what fascinates us about true crime, 311 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.200 as you've got ordinary people living ordinary lives, and sometimes 312 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.799 they're the victim of a horrendous murder and sometimes they're 313 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.200 the perpetrator, and you're thinking, in both cases, how could 314 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.639 this person carry this out? Or how could this person 315 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:22.159 fall prey to this? 316 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.480 Well, and they point out in this and I think 317 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.000 this is kind of your point, is that we like 318 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.240 to say that anybody who kills is crazy, right, you 319 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.200 have to be a certain level of crazy to take 320 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:40.720 another person's life. But there are studies that show that 321 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.039 a lot of us, a lot of ninety one percent 322 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.320 of men eighty four percent of women say that they've 323 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.200 had a vivid fantasy of killing someone, and that many 324 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.200 people have confessed that they would actually that they even 325 00:16:56.200 --> 00:17:01.720 played out specific scenarios in their heads, imagine themselves stabbing 326 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:03.480 or shooting or strangler or whatever. 327 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.319 But here's where the difference is. 328 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.480 The cutoff is that the vast majority of us, if 329 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.519 we ever have those thoughts, then think to ourselves, I 330 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:14.640 could never do that. 331 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:16.920 That would be crazy. Not only I mean. 332 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.920 I say that, I probably say that every day I'm 333 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:21.359 gonna kill somebody, or I'm gonna kill I'm gonna kill 334 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.759 this person, and it changes from day to day, moment 335 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:27.680 to moment, but I never actually think practically I'm gonna 336 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:28.240 kill them. 337 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.799 Is that what you're saying that? What is it? Ninety percent? 338 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:31.640 Eighty four percent? 339 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:32.000 What was that? 340 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.519 Ninety one percent of men, eighty four percent of women 341 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.079 said that they've actually. 342 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:38.960 Think about the manner in which they'd kill somebody. 343 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.680 Again, not that I think that's a step too far, 344 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.079 it's just the they've had a vivid moment of fantasy 345 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.799 of killing someone. But then the vast majority of us go, 346 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.839 I could never do that. And that's where it ends 347 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.039 for most people. Is that I've never thought. 348 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:56.279 About how to kill somebody. 349 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.279 I've never thought about like, am I gonna strangle them 350 00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:59.240 or stab them? 351 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.440 Like? That's that's the next level, isn't it. 352 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:03.759 But you haven't thought about how to get away with it? 353 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:04.319 No? 354 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:05.839 I have not. Oh you haven't. 355 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:06.960 No. 356 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.119 Oh maybe I took step two and then I decided 357 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:11.200 that that would be crazy. 358 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:12.440 Now this couple. 359 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:15.160 In fact, Jacob, just so you know, we're not even 360 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:16.799 gonna play the thing just because I don't want to. 361 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:18.599 I don't want to make fun of this story because 362 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.039 it is there are some pretty dark elements to it. 363 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:24.279 So let's just get into who these people are. James 364 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:29.440 Schwamm born into a great family. Grandparents devout Christians. They 365 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.440 ran a nice foundation, they were very into education, they 366 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:38.000 ran hospice care, addiction recovery treatment. Just just a really 367 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:44.759 great family. And he was a firefighter. He had been 368 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:48.519 promoted by the early twenty tens to acting captain. 369 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.160 He was an effective leader, they say. 370 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.319 The people that worked with him, quick, decisive when responding 371 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.920 to calls on his watch. The workplace was jovial, supportive. 372 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.559 He was the guy that would grow out mustache for November. 373 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:05.640 He was just that guy, you know, he was the 374 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.160 firehouse guy, and he was great at what he did 375 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:09.480 and he was good for the community. 376 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.160 Ashley, on the other hand, she grew up in Toronto. 377 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:13.880 It's not that she didn't have money, it was just 378 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:16.599 a different kind of family. She was an avid hiker, 379 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:21.880 very athletic tennis player, piakers fan, a warm young woman 380 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.640 with an electric smile. Her mom died of cancer when 381 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:28.640 she was younger, when Ashley was younger, in two thousand 382 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.559 and four. But they said Ashley was the glue that 383 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.640 kind of held the family together. She had a reputation 384 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.039 for lending support, but without the sugar coating. So her 385 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:39.799 three siblings, the cousins, and all these friends would come 386 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.319 to her in the event that they had ever had 387 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:44.279 a fight within the family. She was the one that 388 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.960 would would smooth everything over. She would dole out wisdom. 389 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.880 Friend said that Ashley was someone you could talk to 390 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:54.400 about what was going on in your life. She would 391 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.119 sing and dance around the house. She talked about buying 392 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:59.640 a farm. She wanted to start an animal sanctuary. 393 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.000 We lit up the room when she walked in. 394 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:05.319 She was a good, good person and that that laugh 395 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.759 is kind of what originally caught Jamie's attention. He and 396 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:14.000 Ashley were skiing together. They would grab drinks in the 397 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:17.000 city of Toronto, and they started doing the thing that 398 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:19.599 you do when you're young and you're serious, and you go, 399 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:21.960 what would it be like to be married? 400 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:24.000 So they dream of having kids. 401 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.559