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<v Speaker 1>Oh, be the.

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<v Speaker 2>Trigger warner.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast may include explicit content.

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<v Speaker 2>That will take you out of your comfort zone and

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<v Speaker 2>make you question reality. Listeners, discretion is advised. Hello, and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the show. This is a brand new

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<v Speaker 2>mini series and I am absolutely excited to dive into

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<v Speaker 2>it with you. Let me get my sun glass and phone.

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<v Speaker 2>How's everyone doing out there? I am beyond excited. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I have been writing my notes for the last few

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<v Speaker 2>days and I think you're really gonna love this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Program to Kill Part one. This is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like my homage to David McGowan because I have

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<v Speaker 2>just adored him for the longest in his research. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know most people don't have time to read these days,

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<v Speaker 2>but I always find myself in a corner somewhere with

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<v Speaker 2>a book and the amount of information that I have

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<v Speaker 2>learned just from David McGowan is completely retarded, like changed

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<v Speaker 2>my life. I want to share a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>it with you. If you've already read the book, you're

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<v Speaker 2>still going to enjoy the series. But I want to

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<v Speaker 2>start us off actually with some quotes from Program to

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<v Speaker 2>Kill that I thought were actually pretty interesting. The first

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<v Speaker 2>one is from Richard Ramirez, the one and only knights Stalker.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first quote here is you don't understand me,

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<v Speaker 2>You are not expected to, you are not capable of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I am beyond good and evil Legions of the Night,

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<v Speaker 2>Night Breed, repeat not the errors of the Night Prowler,

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<v Speaker 2>and show no mercy.

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<v Speaker 3>End.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote that was from Richard Ramirez. The next one is

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<v Speaker 2>from David Son of Sam Bergowitz, and he said there

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<v Speaker 2>are other sons out there, God help the world. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Charles Manson says, what about your children. You say

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<v Speaker 2>there are just a few, there are many, many more

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<v Speaker 2>coming in the same direction. They are running in the

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<v Speaker 2>streets and they are coming right at you. The next

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<v Speaker 2>is from Theodore Robert Bundy, who said, the really scary

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<v Speaker 2>thing is that there are a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are not in prison, a lot of people who are

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<v Speaker 2>not in prison who were far more successful than I.

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<v Speaker 2>And the very last quote is coming from Henry Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas who said, all across the country there are people

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<v Speaker 2>just like me who set out to destroy human life.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where we're going to kind of dive right

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<v Speaker 2>into with this series, is the thought that while yes

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<v Speaker 2>there are serial killers, and yes I love a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>good serial killer documentary just as much as the next person.

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<v Speaker 2>Could there be something more to that? Are there actually

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<v Speaker 2>serial killers or have we just been like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a syop on us. There is no serial killers. There

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<v Speaker 2>are only people who have been programmed to kill. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they make this big thing about like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the world was so safe and so nice, and people

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<v Speaker 2>slept with their doors unlocked and nobody was scared to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Walmart at two am before Jeffrey Dahmer, before

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Bundy, before the Nightstalker. And it's like these people

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<v Speaker 2>were used in a way to terrify us, and could

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<v Speaker 2>they have been programmed to kill? So that's where we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to pick right up with this series, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to start with Henry Lee Lucas. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>dive right into it. So on June thirtieth, nineteen ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Lee Lucas arguably the most prolific and certainly one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most sadistic serial killers in American crime, and

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<v Speaker 2>commonly known as the confession killer if you watch the

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix documentary. He was scheduled for execution by the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Texas and given the advocacy of the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>by then Governor George W. Bush. Things were not looking

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<v Speaker 2>too good for old Henry Right. Bush had not granted

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<v Speaker 2>clemency to any condemned man throughout his tenure as governor. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, no governor of any state at any time

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<v Speaker 2>in the history of the country had carried out more

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<v Speaker 2>judicial executions than Governor Bush, which shouldn't surprise anyone at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, Texas was definitely not the place to be

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<v Speaker 2>for a fucking dude in Henry Lee Lucas position, and

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<v Speaker 2>considering the nature of Henry Lee's crimes, there was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much nothing that would stand in the way of his

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<v Speaker 2>scheduled execution. Henry Actually, he did not attract any high

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<v Speaker 2>profile supporters the way that a serial killer named Carla

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<v Speaker 2>Fay Talker did. And if you're not familiar with her,

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<v Speaker 2>Carla was a woman sentenced to death for killing two

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<v Speaker 2>people with a pick axe during a burglary, and even

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<v Speaker 2>personal appeals to Bush himself failed to dissuade him from

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<v Speaker 2>proceeding on schedule with fucking Carla Talker's execution. And they

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<v Speaker 2>do say that, you know, she brutally killed two people

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<v Speaker 2>with a pick axe, whatever, whatever, But The crazy thing

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<v Speaker 2>is Henry should have been particularly fucked since his crimes

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<v Speaker 2>were of a shockingly brutal nature. Not just two people

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<v Speaker 2>with a pickaxe during a burglary, he was fucking This

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<v Speaker 2>was on a whole nother level, including rape, torture, mutilation, dismemberment, necrophilia, cannibalism,

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<v Speaker 2>and pedophilia. And his tally of victims ran as high

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<v Speaker 2>as three to six hundred by some accounts. And what

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<v Speaker 2>seems certain is that Lucas, frequently working with his partn

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<v Speaker 2>Otis Toole, who was a self described arsonist and cannibal,

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<v Speaker 2>savagely murdered dozens of victims of various ages, races, and genders.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone was pretty fucking certain that Henry was getting

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<v Speaker 2>exa fucking cuted. Right, if the lady who murdered two

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<v Speaker 2>people with a pick axe is getting it, Henry's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>get But then out of nowhere, right, The most remarkable

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<v Speaker 2>thing happened on June eighteenth, just twelve days before Henry's

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<v Speaker 2>scheduled demise, Fucking Governor Bush made a special request that

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<v Speaker 2>the Texas State Board of Pardons and Paroles, whose members

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<v Speaker 2>were all Bush appointees. By the Way Review Henry's case,

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<v Speaker 2>and wouldn't you fucking know, eight days later, the Board,

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<v Speaker 2>for whatever fucking reason, issued a recommendation that Henry's execution

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<v Speaker 2>not take place. And then the next day, just three

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<v Speaker 2>days short of Henry's scheduled exit from this world, fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Lee Lucas became the first and ultimately the only

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<v Speaker 2>recipient of Governor Bush's compassionate conservatism, as they called it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, this is so fucking bizarre to me

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone else, right, but what did they say? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the official rationale for this fucking act of mercy was

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<v Speaker 2>that the evidence on which Henry Le Lucas was sentenced

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<v Speaker 2>did not support his conviction. What the fuck interesting, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the board also said there was a possibility that

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<v Speaker 2>Henry was in fact innocent of the crimes for which

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<v Speaker 2>he was convicted. But see the problem here is that

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<v Speaker 2>many of the one hundred and fifty plus Death Row

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<v Speaker 2>inmates who did not receive special attention prior to their

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<v Speaker 2>executions had evidence supporting their claims of innocence, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>their appeals to Governor Bush were met with complete scorn

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<v Speaker 2>and mockery. So why, oh why had Bush suddenly developed

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<v Speaker 2>a keen interest in not executing innocent quote unquote convicts

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<v Speaker 2>or was this a one off? And why with Henry

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Lucas, And why, oh why once Henry's life was spared,

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<v Speaker 2>did Bush instantaneously lose his interest being all noble and

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<v Speaker 2>shit and began giving his stamp of approval on every

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<v Speaker 2>single execution order that crossed his desk, including one for

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking great grandmother in her sixties who was convicted

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<v Speaker 2>of killing her chronically abusive husband. So Gam Gam gets

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<v Speaker 2>the chair for sticking it to our old man. But

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Lee Lucas, who was eating, necrophiling, murdering, raping, dismembering,

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<v Speaker 2>and torturing hundreds of people, he gets off the hook.

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<v Speaker 2>So why is it that Henry was granted full clemency

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<v Speaker 2>rather than just a temporary stay of execution during which

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<v Speaker 2>his case could have been reviewed. Do you know how

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<v Speaker 2>rare that is? I mean, I've been looking into serial

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<v Speaker 2>killers and shit for the longest and I had never

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<v Speaker 2>come across that before. Not even they didn't even say like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do a temporary stay. He gets full clemency

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<v Speaker 2>and he's saying he's killed upward to six hundred people, like, literally,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know how rare that is? That's like eating

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<v Speaker 2>Taco Bell and having a normal shit the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't happen. Ask my boyfriend, Taco Bell shit

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<v Speaker 2>hit different. Okay, but anyways, let's just play pretend here,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's just say what if Henry Lee Lucas was

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<v Speaker 2>in fact falsely convicted, and what if his innocence was

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<v Speaker 2>so obvious that Governor Bush had no choice but to

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<v Speaker 2>commute Henry's sentence? What does that say about the Texas

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<v Speaker 2>criminal justice system and the ease with which it sends

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<v Speaker 2>innocent men to their deaths. Are we really supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that Henry's case is an isolated event and that

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<v Speaker 2>none of the other men put to death during Bush's

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<v Speaker 2>reign had equally credible claims of innocence. Are we really

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to believe that? And what are we supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>make of the fact that, while Henry had been convicted

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<v Speaker 2>of no fewer than eleven homicides, the only deasence he

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<v Speaker 2>ever received was the one that the governor had no

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<v Speaker 2>problem setting aside just that one. Are we supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that Henry le Lucas is the luckiest motherfucker to

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<v Speaker 2>ever live. It's just not adding up. He said he

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<v Speaker 2>killed upwards of six hundred people, only got convicted on

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<v Speaker 2>eleven and the one death sentence he got on the

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<v Speaker 2>just the one. Bush was like, yeah, I'm gonna let

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<v Speaker 2>that one skirt. It's just not adding up. So get

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<v Speaker 2>this shit. Henry had at one time been scheduled to

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<v Speaker 2>stand trial for four additional homicides, crimes for which his

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<v Speaker 2>partner Otis Toole had already been convicted. On the trial, however,

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<v Speaker 2>was fucking canceled on economic grounds quote unquote said to

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<v Speaker 2>be a fucking waste of taxpayer money. Since Henry was

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<v Speaker 2>already scheduled to die. What the fuck they did it

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<v Speaker 2>to Ted Bundy, no problem, They gave his ass two

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<v Speaker 2>death sentence. He was already fucking convicted and fucking got

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty for the Florida girls when the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Florida fucking Sorority girls. When they tried him again for

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<v Speaker 2>Kimberly Leech, who he then got convicted of killing and

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<v Speaker 2>got another death sentence. So it's not outside the realm

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<v Speaker 2>of possibility that you can get two death sentences for

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<v Speaker 2>two separate crimes. But all of a sudden, they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's not waste taxpayer money. He's already scheduled to die,

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<v Speaker 2>but then out of nowhere, it gets overturned and he

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<v Speaker 2>gets to walk. Seems like mister Henry Lee Fuckstick is

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<v Speaker 2>being protected from on high. And it actually reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of a show my boyfriend had me watch called True Detective.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't watched it, it's amazing. It much encapsulated

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<v Speaker 2>year's worth of this research into one season of this show.

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<v Speaker 2>The writer is probably most definitely hip to some shit,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt in my mind. And it occurred to

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<v Speaker 2>me while watching it that some of these country fucks

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't even blink an eye at as being connected

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<v Speaker 2>to some high level idiots, they're actually the ones doing

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<v Speaker 2>the bidding of some of these top dogs. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to know if Henry is Bush's fucking second cousin

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<v Speaker 2>twice removed or some shit like that, because it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>surprise me anyways. Was Henry just extraordinarily lucky to have

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<v Speaker 2>his only death sentence set aside by a governor who

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<v Speaker 2>handed out death sentences like fucking t shirts out of

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<v Speaker 2>blood drive? Or was there something more at work in

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<v Speaker 2>this Henry Lee Lucas case. I mean, surely there had

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<v Speaker 2>to be some why Bush would take uncharacteristic actions to

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<v Speaker 2>spare the life of a man who had led a

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<v Speaker 2>life of such barbaric brutality. But don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>this was certainly not the first time the criminal justice

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<v Speaker 2>system had shown such inexplicable leniency towards Henry Lee Lucas.

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<v Speaker 2>The first big break for Henry actually came in June

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy, when he was released early from a sentence

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<v Speaker 2>he was then serving following his first murder conviction. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was sentenced to twenty to forty years, but he

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<v Speaker 2>of the Mark du Troux case. But anyways, so that

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<v Speaker 2>and explained to them clearly that he was not ready

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<v Speaker 2>to turn to society and would surely kill again if

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<v Speaker 2>he was released. And out of the mouth of babes,

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<v Speaker 2>Henry himself told it like this, the questioning something like this,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, They said, now, mister Lucas, I must ask you,

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<v Speaker 2>if we grant your parole, will you kill again? And

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<v Speaker 2>he said yes, sir, if you release me now, I

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<v Speaker 2>will kill again. I mean really, I can just hear it. Like, Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>are you really sure you're still a rape and murdering, dismembering,

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<v Speaker 2>necrophilic cannibal. Henry, Yes, I love murder. I'm a murdering

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<v Speaker 2>son of a bitch. But like in a metaphorical way, Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>Uh no, I would physically murder you and then eat

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<v Speaker 2>your corpse. Oh stop it, they're so dramatic. Can we

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<v Speaker 2>get this guy a cigarette? We got a fucking comedian

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<v Speaker 2>over here. Why he's saying I will murder people's asses

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<v Speaker 2>if you let me out, you know. But the board

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<v Speaker 2>went ahead and decided that ten years was an adequate

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time to serve for the crime of killing

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<v Speaker 2>his own mother. His own mother, okay, And within a

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<v Speaker 2>year of his release, Henry found himself right back in

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<v Speaker 2>prison after attempting to abduct a little girl. And despite

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<v Speaker 2>his prior criminal record, which began long before the killing

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<v Speaker 2>of his mother, Lucas served just four years before again

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<v Speaker 2>being granted an early release, this time in August nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five. Beginning shortly thereafter and continuing for nearly eight

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<v Speaker 2>fucking years, Henry and his new bestie Otis committed an

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<v Speaker 2>untold number of lurid crimes, and so Henry was finally

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<v Speaker 2>arrested in October nineteen eighty two on suspicion of committing

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<v Speaker 2>two murders, but again was promptly fucking released. He was

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<v Speaker 2>not arrested again for the last time until June nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three, y'all. And after the final arrest, Henry was

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<v Speaker 2>taken on two or so to speak, by various law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement officials around the country, during which time he confessed

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<v Speaker 2>to committing some six hundred murders in twenty six states.

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<v Speaker 2>So Henry was being used to essentially clear up troublesome

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<v Speaker 2>unsolved murders in places he had never even been, which

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<v Speaker 2>there comes the Netflix documentary The Confession Killer. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>that comes from. Henry actually, though, seem to have like

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty cozy relationship with his captors, particularly the Texas Rangers,

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<v Speaker 2>and he provided a valuable service to them by taking

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking rap for an amazing array of murders. All

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<v Speaker 2>they had to do was slip him a happy meal,

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<v Speaker 2>and he confessed to anything they put in front of him.

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<v Speaker 2>For Pakasig's two chicken tenders, and a frosty. He would

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<v Speaker 2>literally confess to anything. Don't get me wrong, I love

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<v Speaker 2>a frosty just as much as the next guy. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is just insanity. But anyways, that alone does not

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<v Speaker 2>explain the personal attention given to Henry by Governor Bush.

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<v Speaker 2>So for that, we need to look at some of

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<v Speaker 2>the more infrequently noted details of Henry's life story, many

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<v Speaker 2>of which had been provided by Henry Lee Lucas himself. Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, has some very interesting tales to tell. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>just a couple of years into his incarceration, he told

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<v Speaker 2>his story in a book written for him by this

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<v Speaker 2>sympathetic author who just had a big heart on for

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<v Speaker 2>the guy. Apparently. The book was entitled The Hand of Death.

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<v Speaker 2>The Henry Lee Lucas story tells of Henry's indoctrination into

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<v Speaker 2>a nationwide Satanic cult. That's right, folks, you heard it

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<v Speaker 2>here on the Cult ex Cosmic. I'm going there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that this may be the answer to the serial

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<v Speaker 2>killer myth. And it all starts with Henry. Well, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not starts with Henry, but our research starts with Henry,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to connect the dots on some

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<v Speaker 2>other serial killers, so here we go. Henry Lee Lucas

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<v Speaker 2>claimed that he was trained by this satanic colt in

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<v Speaker 2>a mobile parliamentary training camp in the Florida Everglades. He

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<v Speaker 2>said his training included instruction in abduction and arson techniques,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as in the fine art of killing up

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<v Speaker 2>close and personal. Henry further claimed that the leaders of

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<v Speaker 2>the camp were so impressed with his handling of a

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<v Speaker 2>knife that he was allowed to serve as an instructor

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<v Speaker 2>and following his training, Henry Lee Lucas claimed that he

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<v Speaker 2>served the cult in various ways, including as a contract

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<v Speaker 2>killer and as an abductor of children, whom he delivered

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<v Speaker 2>to a ranch in Mexico near Juarez. Kind of reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me of the Finders Club, but anyways, once there, they

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<v Speaker 2>were used in the production of you Guessed It, child

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<v Speaker 2>pornography and for ritual sacrifices. Bet you didn't catch that

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<v Speaker 2>in the Netflix documentary, did you?

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<v Speaker 3>But so.

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<v Speaker 2>Henry has said that this cult's operations were based in

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<v Speaker 2>Texas and included trafficking in children and drugs, among other

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<v Speaker 2>illegal pursuits. And what Henry claimed was essentially that what

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<v Speaker 2>appeared to be the random work of a serial killer,

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<v Speaker 2>was in fact a planned series of crimes, often committed

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<v Speaker 2>for specific purposes, and according to Henry, some of the

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<v Speaker 2>murders were political hits, including assassinations of foreign dignitaries, local politicians,

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<v Speaker 2>and wealthy businessmen. This was not true for all of

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Lee Lucas's crimes, but still some he probably just

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<v Speaker 2>did because that's what he liked to do, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was the one thing he was really good at. Why

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't he just be really good at badminton or something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But so, the beauty of this arrangement was

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<v Speaker 2>that it allowed Henry Lee Lucas to conceal the true

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<v Speaker 2>motive for many of his crimes. Those performed as contract

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<v Speaker 2>hits looked like all of his fucking murders, senseless and

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<v Speaker 2>random acts of violence. In Henry's version of events, it

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<v Speaker 2>was Otis Tool who was responsible for Henry's recruitment and

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<v Speaker 2>training by the cult and for many of the pair's

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<v Speaker 2>exploits thereafter, and interestingly, in all the standard biographies of

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<v Speaker 2>the pair, Otis Tool is said to have been Henry

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Lucas's severely retarded partner that just fucking tagged along.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, though quite clear from reading an interview granted

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<v Speaker 2>by Tool to a journalist that he was not, by

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<v Speaker 2>any means fucking retarded, uneducated, no doubt, but certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>severely retarded. More forrest gumpy if you will. He knows

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<v Speaker 2>what murder is Jena. But so Otis Tool was able

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<v Speaker 2>to express himself quite clearly and displayed a substantial level

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<v Speaker 2>of knowledge about the practices of Satanism, which isn't really

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<v Speaker 2>so prizing given that he was written to have been

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<v Speaker 2>quote raised as the devil's child by his satanist's grandmother

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. Doesn't know how to make a fucking grilled cheese,

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<v Speaker 2>but he can open a portal into Satan's bosoms. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the simple things, you know. But so Otis Toole described

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<v Speaker 2>a childhood that was complete with all the trappings of

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<v Speaker 2>satan tic rich He well, abuse, here we go, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He told of being forced to have sex with numerous

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<v Speaker 2>members of his family and others, including his father, his stepfather,

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<v Speaker 2>his stepfather's friends, his older sister Drusilla, and his fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Graham Graham, who lived with Otis's father as man and wife,

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<v Speaker 2>although they were actually mother and Sutton. That is said

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<v Speaker 2>to have been a member of a multi generational death cult.

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<v Speaker 2>Bet you didn't see that one come in old gam gam,

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<v Speaker 2>fucking incestuous, fucking gam gam, living as husband and wife

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<v Speaker 2>with her own son, and was a lifelong member of

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<v Speaker 2>a multi generational death cold Wooo. I'm telling you, the

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<v Speaker 2>research on this is never ending. You just keep digging

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<v Speaker 2>and keep finding more stuff. And dude, you guys have

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<v Speaker 2>to watch True Detective. It's almost like the story of

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Lee and or Otis. But anyways, Otis Tool once

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<v Speaker 2>explained to an interviewer how he had been involved in

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<v Speaker 2>all this since he was a child through the cult.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that was a quote, And he has spoken

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<v Speaker 2>of just like all the fucking episodes prior to this,

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<v Speaker 2>having urine poured on him, eating dog meat, eating fucking

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<v Speaker 2>human shit, watching two cats fight to their death while

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<v Speaker 2>their blood dripped down upon him. You know, the typical

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<v Speaker 2>SRA country walk, babysitting, service finders club bullshit. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>typical West Virginia Wednesday night for him. Otistool also had

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<v Speaker 2>this to say of his childhood years, quote, I used

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<v Speaker 2>to go with my grandmother into graveyards. We used to

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<v Speaker 2>dig up all kinds of bones, and she used to

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<v Speaker 2>take the bones and do devil worship end quote. He

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<v Speaker 2>also told of being forced into a grave to pluck

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<v Speaker 2>the bones from a freshly rotting corpse on some wrong turn.

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<v Speaker 2>He'lls have eyes fucking deliverance type shit and dude. Young

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<v Speaker 2>Otis was frequently dosed with barbituates, and he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he used to hear voices split personality anyone. So Otistool's

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<v Speaker 2>older sister, Drusilla, spent time in a mental hospital, after

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<v Speaker 2>which she reportedly committed the old suicide and wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 2>know Her children were placed in the care of uncle

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<v Speaker 2>Otis and his bestie Henry Lee Lucas, and two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of the kids, Frieda and Frank Powell, accompanied Henry

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Lucas an Otistool on their homicidal wanderings and were

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<v Speaker 2>forced to watch them and at times even participate in

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<v Speaker 2>the rape, killing and mutilation of innocent victims. So Frieda,

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<v Speaker 2>also known as Becky, ended up scaut in a field

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<v Speaker 2>after suffering years of sexual abuse at the hands of

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Lee Lucas and Otis toole. She got black Dahliad

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<v Speaker 2>all right, which we'll get into that in a second,

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<v Speaker 2>but Frank fared slightly better. He didn't get dahliad, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was committed to a mental hospital. You would need

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<v Speaker 2>to be after some shit like that. A third sibling, though,

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Pearce, who shared with her uncle Otis a passion

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<v Speaker 2>for Arson, was convicted and imprisoned for arsening up and

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<v Speaker 2>down the country. But you know, Lucas also suffered through

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<v Speaker 2>an incomprehensibly abusive childhood. In fact, when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>early childhood abuse, there are few parents a future serial

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<v Speaker 2>killers who can compare her to the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>Viola Lucas, Henry's mother. So severe was her physical abuse

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<v Speaker 2>Henry that he once slipped into a coma for a

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<v Speaker 2>day following a devastatingly brutal beating, and on another occasion,

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<v Speaker 2>through a combination of abuse and neglect, Henry lost one

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<v Speaker 2>of his fucking eyeballs. Dude. Viola was actually, as in

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<v Speaker 2>the case with the mothers of many serial killers, a

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<v Speaker 2>raging prostitute, right and she fucking routinely entertained her little

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<v Speaker 2>customers in the presence of Henry, who was forced to

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<v Speaker 2>watch and get this. Viola also dressed Henry up as

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<v Speaker 2>a girl for the first seven years of his life

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<v Speaker 2>and prostituted him out to her fucking customers seven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me fucking sick. It's fucking disgusting. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>Otis Toole, since we're talking about it, has also spoken

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<v Speaker 2>of being forced to dress as a girl. So this

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<v Speaker 2>inversion of the sexist thing is not a new idea.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually goes hand in hand with satanic ritual abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>And though Henry and Otis represent extreme cases, their horrific

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<v Speaker 2>childhoods should not come as much of a surprise. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think most of you out there are aware of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that most serial killers have suffered some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of abusive childhoods, and it has become something of a cliche,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is a fact that is acknowledged in most

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<v Speaker 2>serial killer biographies, and it is usually followed by the

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<v Speaker 2>caveat that such a childhood history does not excuse subsequent actions.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is a thing that Western society preaches

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<v Speaker 2>that we are ultimately responsible for our own actions. Scapegoating

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<v Speaker 2>society or a horrendously abusive childhood is simply not acceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do we not, after all, act of our

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<v Speaker 2>own free will, regardless of our past? That is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>what we have been conditioned to believe. But my question

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<v Speaker 2>to you what is but what if we actually don't

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<v Speaker 2>act of our own free will? What if a lifetime

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<v Speaker 2>of being bombarded with propaganda has to some extent deprived

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<v Speaker 2>all of us of that ability? And what if some

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<v Speaker 2>of us have been completely robbed of the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>exercise free will. What if suffering through a chronically abusive

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<v Speaker 2>childhood lays the groundwork for that to occur. What if

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<v Speaker 2>i Iola Lucas was right when she told Henry quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to teach you the beauty of pain, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be my slave for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>your life end quote. And what if Henry could only

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<v Speaker 2>break the bonds of that slavery by killing dear old mom.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally, what if by killing her Lucas only succeeded

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<v Speaker 2>in acquiring a new slave master. What are we to

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<v Speaker 2>make of Henry's bizarre tale of being a contract killer?

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<v Speaker 2>Seems like if by killing his mom it arose in

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<v Speaker 2>him this compulsion, he would be a perfect candidate for

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<v Speaker 2>that type of training. And what's crazy about it is

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<v Speaker 2>what about Henry's other stories, you know, including the one

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<v Speaker 2>about being a close friend to fucking Jim Jones of

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<v Speaker 2>the People's Temple cool aiding it up, dude, I am

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<v Speaker 2>not kidding. Henry Lee Lucas claimed on numerous occasions that

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<v Speaker 2>it was he who was taken on age Harder plane

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<v Speaker 2>to Guyana to personally deliver the saani to Jim fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Jones that was allegedly used in the infamous Jonestown massacre.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck are we supposed to do with those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stories? Could Henry have been telling the truth

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<v Speaker 2>about being a contract killer? His connections are pretty suspect,

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<v Speaker 2>including George double.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and if so, did the contracts he was receiving

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<v Speaker 3>have some kind of government connection because of like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>George W. Bush.

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<v Speaker 2>Henry did not flat out address that in his book,

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<v Speaker 2>but the training campus he described it clearly had military connections,

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<v Speaker 2>and Henry has explicitly stated that the cult included among

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<v Speaker 2>its members various socially prominent individuals, including high level politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>Could that be the reason for the actions taken by

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Governor George W. Bush in June nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should just give Old Henry the last word

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Here's a quote. They think I'm stupid but

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<v Speaker 2>before all of this is over, everyone will know who's

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<v Speaker 2>really stupid, and we'll see who the real criminals are.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>That is going to wrap up part one of Program

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<v Speaker 2>to Kill. We are going to get even further into

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<v Speaker 2>the biscuits and gravy in part two. Honestly, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know how many parts there's gonna be to this one,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's so much information that needs to be covered.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be like six parts. I don't know. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have a good time though, Right. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think of Henry Lee Lucas in this whole mind

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<v Speaker 2>control contract killer business? Not convinced yet? Maybe by the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode I can reveal some even more disturbing information

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<v Speaker 2>that will change your mind. But until then, there is

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<v Speaker 2>one very vital, important piece of information I need you

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<v Speaker 2>to learn just as soon as humanly possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I can't seem to face up through the bags.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tense and nervous and candle. I can't sleep because

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<v Speaker 1>my bed's on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Do nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a real live wire.

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<v Speaker 3>Cycle killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Cause you see better run, Run, Run, Run Run.

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<v Speaker 3>Cycle killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Just see.

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<v Speaker 1>A better run run, Run, Run, Run Run Run Intinus

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<v Speaker 1>stages in