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Speaker 2: make you question reality. Listeners, discretion is advised. Hello, and
Speaker 2: welcome back to the show. This is a brand new
Speaker 2: mini series and I am absolutely excited to dive into
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Speaker 2: How's everyone doing out there? I am beyond excited. Actually,
Speaker 2: I have been writing my notes for the last few
Speaker 2: days and I think you're really gonna love this one.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Program to Kill Part one. This is kind
Speaker 2: of like my homage to David McGowan because I have
Speaker 2: just adored him for the longest in his research. And
Speaker 2: I know most people don't have time to read these days,
Speaker 2: but I always find myself in a corner somewhere with
Speaker 2: a book and the amount of information that I have
Speaker 2: learned just from David McGowan is completely retarded, like changed
Speaker 2: my life. I want to share a little bit of
Speaker 2: it with you. If you've already read the book, you're
Speaker 2: still going to enjoy the series. But I want to
Speaker 2: start us off actually with some quotes from Program to
Speaker 2: Kill that I thought were actually pretty interesting. The first
Speaker 2: one is from Richard Ramirez, the one and only knights Stalker.
Speaker 2: So the first quote here is you don't understand me,
Speaker 2: You are not expected to, you are not capable of it.
Speaker 2: I am beyond good and evil Legions of the Night,
Speaker 2: Night Breed, repeat not the errors of the Night Prowler,
Speaker 2: and show no mercy.
Speaker 3: End.
Speaker 2: Quote that was from Richard Ramirez. The next one is
Speaker 2: from David Son of Sam Bergowitz, and he said there
Speaker 2: are other sons out there, God help the world. And
Speaker 2: then Charles Manson says, what about your children. You say
Speaker 2: there are just a few, there are many, many more
Speaker 2: coming in the same direction. They are running in the
Speaker 2: streets and they are coming right at you. The next
Speaker 2: is from Theodore Robert Bundy, who said, the really scary
Speaker 2: thing is that there are a lot of people who
Speaker 2: are not in prison, a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: not in prison who were far more successful than I.
Speaker 2: And the very last quote is coming from Henry Lee
Speaker 2: Lucas who said, all across the country there are people
Speaker 2: just like me who set out to destroy human life.
Speaker 2: And that's where we're going to kind of dive right
Speaker 2: into with this series, is the thought that while yes
Speaker 2: there are serial killers, and yes I love a fucking
Speaker 2: good serial killer documentary just as much as the next person.
Speaker 2: Could there be something more to that? Are there actually
Speaker 2: serial killers or have we just been like it's like
Speaker 2: a syop on us. There is no serial killers. There
Speaker 2: are only people who have been programmed to kill. And
Speaker 2: then they make this big thing about like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: the world was so safe and so nice, and people
Speaker 2: slept with their doors unlocked and nobody was scared to
Speaker 2: go to Walmart at two am before Jeffrey Dahmer, before
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy, before the Nightstalker. And it's like these people
Speaker 2: were used in a way to terrify us, and could
Speaker 2: they have been programmed to kill? So that's where we're
Speaker 2: going to pick right up with this series, and we're
Speaker 2: actually going to start with Henry Lee Lucas. Let's just
Speaker 2: dive right into it. So on June thirtieth, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 2: Henry Lee Lucas arguably the most prolific and certainly one
Speaker 2: of the most sadistic serial killers in American crime, and
Speaker 2: commonly known as the confession killer if you watch the
Speaker 2: Netflix documentary. He was scheduled for execution by the state
Speaker 2: of Texas and given the advocacy of the death penalty
Speaker 2: by then Governor George W. Bush. Things were not looking
Speaker 2: too good for old Henry Right. Bush had not granted
Speaker 2: clemency to any condemned man throughout his tenure as governor. Actually,
Speaker 2: in fact, no governor of any state at any time
Speaker 2: in the history of the country had carried out more
Speaker 2: judicial executions than Governor Bush, which shouldn't surprise anyone at all.
Speaker 2: But anyways, Texas was definitely not the place to be
Speaker 2: for a fucking dude in Henry Lee Lucas position, and
Speaker 2: considering the nature of Henry Lee's crimes, there was pretty
Speaker 2: much nothing that would stand in the way of his
Speaker 2: scheduled execution. Henry Actually, he did not attract any high
Speaker 2: profile supporters the way that a serial killer named Carla
Speaker 2: Fay Talker did. And if you're not familiar with her,
Speaker 2: Carla was a woman sentenced to death for killing two
Speaker 2: people with a pick axe during a burglary, and even
Speaker 2: personal appeals to Bush himself failed to dissuade him from
Speaker 2: proceeding on schedule with fucking Carla Talker's execution. And they
Speaker 2: do say that, you know, she brutally killed two people
Speaker 2: with a pick axe, whatever, whatever, But The crazy thing
Speaker 2: is Henry should have been particularly fucked since his crimes
Speaker 2: were of a shockingly brutal nature. Not just two people
Speaker 2: with a pickaxe during a burglary, he was fucking This
Speaker 2: was on a whole nother level, including rape, torture, mutilation, dismemberment, necrophilia, cannibalism,
Speaker 2: and pedophilia. And his tally of victims ran as high
Speaker 2: as three to six hundred by some accounts. And what
Speaker 2: seems certain is that Lucas, frequently working with his partn
Speaker 2: Otis Toole, who was a self described arsonist and cannibal,
Speaker 2: savagely murdered dozens of victims of various ages, races, and genders.
Speaker 2: So everyone was pretty fucking certain that Henry was getting
Speaker 2: exa fucking cuted. Right, if the lady who murdered two
Speaker 2: people with a pick axe is getting it, Henry's definitely
Speaker 2: get But then out of nowhere, right, The most remarkable
Speaker 2: thing happened on June eighteenth, just twelve days before Henry's
Speaker 2: scheduled demise, Fucking Governor Bush made a special request that
Speaker 2: the Texas State Board of Pardons and Paroles, whose members
Speaker 2: were all Bush appointees. By the Way Review Henry's case,
Speaker 2: and wouldn't you fucking know, eight days later, the Board,
Speaker 2: for whatever fucking reason, issued a recommendation that Henry's execution
Speaker 2: not take place. And then the next day, just three
Speaker 2: days short of Henry's scheduled exit from this world, fucking
Speaker 2: Henry Lee Lucas became the first and ultimately the only
Speaker 2: recipient of Governor Bush's compassionate conservatism, as they called it.
Speaker 2: And I mean, this is so fucking bizarre to me
Speaker 2: and everyone else, right, but what did they say? Well,
Speaker 2: the official rationale for this fucking act of mercy was
Speaker 2: that the evidence on which Henry Le Lucas was sentenced
Speaker 2: did not support his conviction. What the fuck interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Because the board also said there was a possibility that
Speaker 2: Henry was in fact innocent of the crimes for which
Speaker 2: he was convicted. But see the problem here is that
Speaker 2: many of the one hundred and fifty plus Death Row
Speaker 2: inmates who did not receive special attention prior to their
Speaker 2: executions had evidence supporting their claims of innocence, and yet
Speaker 2: their appeals to Governor Bush were met with complete scorn
Speaker 2: and mockery. So why, oh why had Bush suddenly developed
Speaker 2: a keen interest in not executing innocent quote unquote convicts
Speaker 2: or was this a one off? And why with Henry
Speaker 2: Lee Lucas, And why, oh why once Henry's life was spared,
Speaker 2: did Bush instantaneously lose his interest being all noble and
Speaker 2: shit and began giving his stamp of approval on every
Speaker 2: single execution order that crossed his desk, including one for
Speaker 2: a fucking great grandmother in her sixties who was convicted
Speaker 2: of killing her chronically abusive husband. So Gam Gam gets
Speaker 2: the chair for sticking it to our old man. But
Speaker 2: Henry Lee Lucas, who was eating, necrophiling, murdering, raping, dismembering,
Speaker 2: and torturing hundreds of people, he gets off the hook.
Speaker 2: So why is it that Henry was granted full clemency
Speaker 2: rather than just a temporary stay of execution during which
Speaker 2: his case could have been reviewed. Do you know how
Speaker 2: rare that is? I mean, I've been looking into serial
Speaker 2: killers and shit for the longest and I had never
Speaker 2: come across that before. Not even they didn't even say like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a temporary stay. He gets full clemency
Speaker 2: and he's saying he's killed upward to six hundred people, like, literally,
Speaker 2: do you know how rare that is? That's like eating
Speaker 2: Taco Bell and having a normal shit the next day.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen. Ask my boyfriend, Taco Bell shit
Speaker 2: hit different. Okay, but anyways, let's just play pretend here,
Speaker 2: and let's just say what if Henry Lee Lucas was
Speaker 2: in fact falsely convicted, and what if his innocence was
Speaker 2: so obvious that Governor Bush had no choice but to
Speaker 2: commute Henry's sentence? What does that say about the Texas
Speaker 2: criminal justice system and the ease with which it sends
Speaker 2: innocent men to their deaths. Are we really supposed to
Speaker 2: believe that Henry's case is an isolated event and that
Speaker 2: none of the other men put to death during Bush's
Speaker 2: reign had equally credible claims of innocence. Are we really
Speaker 2: supposed to believe that? And what are we supposed to
Speaker 2: make of the fact that, while Henry had been convicted
Speaker 2: of no fewer than eleven homicides, the only deasence he
Speaker 2: ever received was the one that the governor had no
Speaker 2: problem setting aside just that one. Are we supposed to
Speaker 2: believe that Henry le Lucas is the luckiest motherfucker to
Speaker 2: ever live. It's just not adding up. He said he
Speaker 2: killed upwards of six hundred people, only got convicted on
Speaker 2: eleven and the one death sentence he got on the
Speaker 2: just the one. Bush was like, yeah, I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: that one skirt. It's just not adding up. So get
Speaker 2: this shit. Henry had at one time been scheduled to
Speaker 2: stand trial for four additional homicides, crimes for which his
Speaker 2: partner Otis Toole had already been convicted. On the trial, however,
Speaker 2: was fucking canceled on economic grounds quote unquote said to
Speaker 2: be a fucking waste of taxpayer money. Since Henry was
Speaker 2: already scheduled to die. What the fuck they did it
Speaker 2: to Ted Bundy, no problem, They gave his ass two
Speaker 2: death sentence. He was already fucking convicted and fucking got
Speaker 2: the death penalty for the Florida girls when the fucking
Speaker 2: Florida fucking Sorority girls. When they tried him again for
Speaker 2: Kimberly Leech, who he then got convicted of killing and
Speaker 2: got another death sentence. So it's not outside the realm
Speaker 2: of possibility that you can get two death sentences for
Speaker 2: two separate crimes. But all of a sudden, they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's not waste taxpayer money. He's already scheduled to die,
Speaker 2: but then out of nowhere, it gets overturned and he
Speaker 2: gets to walk. Seems like mister Henry Lee Fuckstick is
Speaker 2: being protected from on high. And it actually reminds me
Speaker 2: of a show my boyfriend had me watch called True Detective.
Speaker 2: If you haven't watched it, it's amazing. It much encapsulated
Speaker 2: year's worth of this research into one season of this show.
Speaker 2: The writer is probably most definitely hip to some shit,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind. And it occurred to
Speaker 2: me while watching it that some of these country fucks
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even blink an eye at as being connected
Speaker 2: to some high level idiots, they're actually the ones doing
Speaker 2: the bidding of some of these top dogs. Like I
Speaker 2: want to know if Henry is Bush's fucking second cousin
Speaker 2: twice removed or some shit like that, because it wouldn't
Speaker 2: surprise me anyways. Was Henry just extraordinarily lucky to have
Speaker 2: his only death sentence set aside by a governor who
Speaker 2: handed out death sentences like fucking t shirts out of
Speaker 2: blood drive? Or was there something more at work in
Speaker 2: this Henry Lee Lucas case. I mean, surely there had
Speaker 2: to be some why Bush would take uncharacteristic actions to
Speaker 2: spare the life of a man who had led a
Speaker 2: life of such barbaric brutality. But don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: this was certainly not the first time the criminal justice
Speaker 2: system had shown such inexplicable leniency towards Henry Lee Lucas.
Speaker 2: The first big break for Henry actually came in June
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy, when he was released early from a sentence
Speaker 2: he was then serving following his first murder conviction. So
Speaker 2: he was sentenced to twenty to forty years, but he
Speaker 2: was released after serving only ten. Kind of reminds me
Speaker 2: of the Mark du Troux case. But anyways, so that
Speaker 2: was actually just after he appeared before the parole board
Speaker 2: and explained to them clearly that he was not ready
Speaker 2: to turn to society and would surely kill again if
Speaker 2: he was released. And out of the mouth of babes,
Speaker 2: Henry himself told it like this, the questioning something like this,
Speaker 2: he said, They said, now, mister Lucas, I must ask you,
Speaker 2: if we grant your parole, will you kill again? And
Speaker 2: he said yes, sir, if you release me now, I
Speaker 2: will kill again. I mean really, I can just hear it. Like, Henry,
Speaker 2: are you really sure you're still a rape and murdering, dismembering,
Speaker 2: necrophilic cannibal. Henry, Yes, I love murder. I'm a murdering
Speaker 2: son of a bitch. But like in a metaphorical way, Henry,
Speaker 2: Uh no, I would physically murder you and then eat
Speaker 2: your corpse. Oh stop it, they're so dramatic. Can we
Speaker 2: get this guy a cigarette? We got a fucking comedian
Speaker 2: over here. Why he's saying I will murder people's asses
Speaker 2: if you let me out, you know. But the board
Speaker 2: went ahead and decided that ten years was an adequate
Speaker 2: amount of time to serve for the crime of killing
Speaker 2: his own mother. His own mother, okay, And within a
Speaker 2: year of his release, Henry found himself right back in
Speaker 2: prison after attempting to abduct a little girl. And despite
Speaker 2: his prior criminal record, which began long before the killing
Speaker 2: of his mother, Lucas served just four years before again
Speaker 2: being granted an early release, this time in August nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five. Beginning shortly thereafter and continuing for nearly eight
Speaker 2: fucking years, Henry and his new bestie Otis committed an
Speaker 2: untold number of lurid crimes, and so Henry was finally
Speaker 2: arrested in October nineteen eighty two on suspicion of committing
Speaker 2: two murders, but again was promptly fucking released. He was
Speaker 2: not arrested again for the last time until June nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three, y'all. And after the final arrest, Henry was
Speaker 2: taken on two or so to speak, by various law
Speaker 2: enforcement officials around the country, during which time he confessed
Speaker 2: to committing some six hundred murders in twenty six states.
Speaker 2: So Henry was being used to essentially clear up troublesome
Speaker 2: unsolved murders in places he had never even been, which
Speaker 2: there comes the Netflix documentary The Confession Killer. That's where
Speaker 2: that comes from. Henry actually, though, seem to have like
Speaker 2: a pretty cozy relationship with his captors, particularly the Texas Rangers,
Speaker 2: and he provided a valuable service to them by taking
Speaker 2: the fucking rap for an amazing array of murders. All
Speaker 2: they had to do was slip him a happy meal,
Speaker 2: and he confessed to anything they put in front of him.
Speaker 2: For Pakasig's two chicken tenders, and a frosty. He would
Speaker 2: literally confess to anything. Don't get me wrong, I love
Speaker 2: a frosty just as much as the next guy. But
Speaker 2: this is just insanity. But anyways, that alone does not
Speaker 2: explain the personal attention given to Henry by Governor Bush.
Speaker 2: So for that, we need to look at some of
Speaker 2: the more infrequently noted details of Henry's life story, many
Speaker 2: of which had been provided by Henry Lee Lucas himself. Henry,
Speaker 2: as it turns out, has some very interesting tales to tell. Now,
Speaker 2: just a couple of years into his incarceration, he told
Speaker 2: his story in a book written for him by this
Speaker 2: sympathetic author who just had a big heart on for
Speaker 2: the guy. Apparently. The book was entitled The Hand of Death.
Speaker 2: The Henry Lee Lucas story tells of Henry's indoctrination into
Speaker 2: a nationwide Satanic cult. That's right, folks, you heard it
Speaker 2: here on the Cult ex Cosmic. I'm going there. I
Speaker 2: think that this may be the answer to the serial
Speaker 2: killer myth. And it all starts with Henry. Well, maybe
Speaker 2: not starts with Henry, but our research starts with Henry,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to connect the dots on some
Speaker 2: other serial killers, so here we go. Henry Lee Lucas
Speaker 2: claimed that he was trained by this satanic colt in
Speaker 2: a mobile parliamentary training camp in the Florida Everglades. He
Speaker 2: said his training included instruction in abduction and arson techniques,
Speaker 2: as well as in the fine art of killing up
Speaker 2: close and personal. Henry further claimed that the leaders of
Speaker 2: the camp were so impressed with his handling of a
Speaker 2: knife that he was allowed to serve as an instructor
Speaker 2: and following his training, Henry Lee Lucas claimed that he
Speaker 2: served the cult in various ways, including as a contract
Speaker 2: killer and as an abductor of children, whom he delivered
Speaker 2: to a ranch in Mexico near Juarez. Kind of reminds
Speaker 2: me of the Finders Club, but anyways, once there, they
Speaker 2: were used in the production of you Guessed It, child
Speaker 2: pornography and for ritual sacrifices. Bet you didn't catch that
Speaker 2: in the Netflix documentary, did you?
Speaker 3: But so.
Speaker 2: Henry has said that this cult's operations were based in
Speaker 2: Texas and included trafficking in children and drugs, among other
Speaker 2: illegal pursuits. And what Henry claimed was essentially that what
Speaker 2: appeared to be the random work of a serial killer,
Speaker 2: was in fact a planned series of crimes, often committed
Speaker 2: for specific purposes, and according to Henry, some of the
Speaker 2: murders were political hits, including assassinations of foreign dignitaries, local politicians,
Speaker 2: and wealthy businessmen. This was not true for all of
Speaker 2: Henry Lee Lucas's crimes, but still some he probably just
Speaker 2: did because that's what he liked to do, and it
Speaker 2: was the one thing he was really good at. Why
Speaker 2: couldn't he just be really good at badminton or something,
Speaker 2: you know. But so, the beauty of this arrangement was
Speaker 2: that it allowed Henry Lee Lucas to conceal the true
Speaker 2: motive for many of his crimes. Those performed as contract
Speaker 2: hits looked like all of his fucking murders, senseless and
Speaker 2: random acts of violence. In Henry's version of events, it
Speaker 2: was Otis Tool who was responsible for Henry's recruitment and
Speaker 2: training by the cult and for many of the pair's
Speaker 2: exploits thereafter, and interestingly, in all the standard biographies of
Speaker 2: the pair, Otis Tool is said to have been Henry
Speaker 2: Lee Lucas's severely retarded partner that just fucking tagged along.
Speaker 2: It is, though quite clear from reading an interview granted
Speaker 2: by Tool to a journalist that he was not, by
Speaker 2: any means fucking retarded, uneducated, no doubt, but certainly not
Speaker 2: severely retarded. More forrest gumpy if you will. He knows
Speaker 2: what murder is Jena. But so Otis Tool was able
Speaker 2: to express himself quite clearly and displayed a substantial level
Speaker 2: of knowledge about the practices of Satanism, which isn't really
Speaker 2: so prizing given that he was written to have been
Speaker 2: quote raised as the devil's child by his satanist's grandmother
Speaker 2: end quote. Doesn't know how to make a fucking grilled cheese,
Speaker 2: but he can open a portal into Satan's bosoms. It's
Speaker 2: the simple things, you know. But so Otis Toole described
Speaker 2: a childhood that was complete with all the trappings of
Speaker 2: satan tic rich He well, abuse, here we go, right.
Speaker 2: He told of being forced to have sex with numerous
Speaker 2: members of his family and others, including his father, his stepfather,
Speaker 2: his stepfather's friends, his older sister Drusilla, and his fucking
Speaker 2: Graham Graham, who lived with Otis's father as man and wife,
Speaker 2: although they were actually mother and Sutton. That is said
Speaker 2: to have been a member of a multi generational death cult.
Speaker 2: Bet you didn't see that one come in old gam gam,
Speaker 2: fucking incestuous, fucking gam gam, living as husband and wife
Speaker 2: with her own son, and was a lifelong member of
Speaker 2: a multi generational death cold Wooo. I'm telling you, the
Speaker 2: research on this is never ending. You just keep digging
Speaker 2: and keep finding more stuff. And dude, you guys have
Speaker 2: to watch True Detective. It's almost like the story of
Speaker 2: Henry Lee and or Otis. But anyways, Otis Tool once
Speaker 2: explained to an interviewer how he had been involved in
Speaker 2: all this since he was a child through the cult.
Speaker 2: You know, that was a quote, And he has spoken
Speaker 2: of just like all the fucking episodes prior to this,
Speaker 2: having urine poured on him, eating dog meat, eating fucking
Speaker 2: human shit, watching two cats fight to their death while
Speaker 2: their blood dripped down upon him. You know, the typical
Speaker 2: SRA country walk, babysitting, service finders club bullshit. You know,
Speaker 2: typical West Virginia Wednesday night for him. Otistool also had
Speaker 2: this to say of his childhood years, quote, I used
Speaker 2: to go with my grandmother into graveyards. We used to
Speaker 2: dig up all kinds of bones, and she used to
Speaker 2: take the bones and do devil worship end quote. He
Speaker 2: also told of being forced into a grave to pluck
Speaker 2: the bones from a freshly rotting corpse on some wrong turn.
Speaker 2: He'lls have eyes fucking deliverance type shit and dude. Young
Speaker 2: Otis was frequently dosed with barbituates, and he said that
Speaker 2: he used to hear voices split personality anyone. So Otistool's
Speaker 2: older sister, Drusilla, spent time in a mental hospital, after
Speaker 2: which she reportedly committed the old suicide and wouldn't you
Speaker 2: know Her children were placed in the care of uncle
Speaker 2: Otis and his bestie Henry Lee Lucas, and two of them.
Speaker 2: Two of the kids, Frieda and Frank Powell, accompanied Henry
Speaker 2: Lee Lucas an Otistool on their homicidal wanderings and were
Speaker 2: forced to watch them and at times even participate in
Speaker 2: the rape, killing and mutilation of innocent victims. So Frieda,
Speaker 2: also known as Becky, ended up scaut in a field
Speaker 2: after suffering years of sexual abuse at the hands of
Speaker 2: Henry Lee Lucas and Otis toole. She got black Dahliad
Speaker 2: all right, which we'll get into that in a second,
Speaker 2: but Frank fared slightly better. He didn't get dahliad, but
Speaker 2: he was committed to a mental hospital. You would need
Speaker 2: to be after some shit like that. A third sibling, though,
Speaker 2: Sarah Pearce, who shared with her uncle Otis a passion
Speaker 2: for Arson, was convicted and imprisoned for arsening up and
Speaker 2: down the country. But you know, Lucas also suffered through
Speaker 2: an incomprehensibly abusive childhood. In fact, when it comes to
Speaker 2: early childhood abuse, there are few parents a future serial
Speaker 2: killers who can compare her to the one and only
Speaker 2: Viola Lucas, Henry's mother. So severe was her physical abuse
Speaker 2: Henry that he once slipped into a coma for a
Speaker 2: day following a devastatingly brutal beating, and on another occasion,
Speaker 2: through a combination of abuse and neglect, Henry lost one
Speaker 2: of his fucking eyeballs. Dude. Viola was actually, as in
Speaker 2: the case with the mothers of many serial killers, a
Speaker 2: raging prostitute, right and she fucking routinely entertained her little
Speaker 2: customers in the presence of Henry, who was forced to
Speaker 2: watch and get this. Viola also dressed Henry up as
Speaker 2: a girl for the first seven years of his life
Speaker 2: and prostituted him out to her fucking customers seven years old.
Speaker 2: It makes me fucking sick. It's fucking disgusting. Okay, and
Speaker 2: Otis Toole, since we're talking about it, has also spoken
Speaker 2: of being forced to dress as a girl. So this
Speaker 2: inversion of the sexist thing is not a new idea.
Speaker 2: It actually goes hand in hand with satanic ritual abuse.
Speaker 2: And though Henry and Otis represent extreme cases, their horrific
Speaker 2: childhoods should not come as much of a surprise. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think most of you out there are aware of
Speaker 2: the fact that most serial killers have suffered some kind
Speaker 2: of abusive childhoods, and it has become something of a cliche,
Speaker 2: and it is a fact that is acknowledged in most
Speaker 2: serial killer biographies, and it is usually followed by the
Speaker 2: caveat that such a childhood history does not excuse subsequent actions.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a thing that Western society preaches
Speaker 2: that we are ultimately responsible for our own actions. Scapegoating
Speaker 2: society or a horrendously abusive childhood is simply not acceptable.
Speaker 2: I mean, do we not, after all, act of our
Speaker 2: own free will, regardless of our past? That is definitely
Speaker 2: what we have been conditioned to believe. But my question
Speaker 2: to you what is but what if we actually don't
Speaker 2: act of our own free will? What if a lifetime
Speaker 2: of being bombarded with propaganda has to some extent deprived
Speaker 2: all of us of that ability? And what if some
Speaker 2: of us have been completely robbed of the ability to
Speaker 2: exercise free will. What if suffering through a chronically abusive
Speaker 2: childhood lays the groundwork for that to occur. What if
Speaker 2: i Iola Lucas was right when she told Henry quote,
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach you the beauty of pain, and
Speaker 2: you're going to be my slave for the rest of
Speaker 2: your life end quote. And what if Henry could only
Speaker 2: break the bonds of that slavery by killing dear old mom.
Speaker 2: And finally, what if by killing her Lucas only succeeded
Speaker 2: in acquiring a new slave master. What are we to
Speaker 2: make of Henry's bizarre tale of being a contract killer?
Speaker 2: Seems like if by killing his mom it arose in
Speaker 2: him this compulsion, he would be a perfect candidate for
Speaker 2: that type of training. And what's crazy about it is
Speaker 2: what about Henry's other stories, you know, including the one
Speaker 2: about being a close friend to fucking Jim Jones of
Speaker 2: the People's Temple cool aiding it up, dude, I am
Speaker 2: not kidding. Henry Lee Lucas claimed on numerous occasions that
Speaker 2: it was he who was taken on age Harder plane
Speaker 2: to Guyana to personally deliver the saani to Jim fucking
Speaker 2: Jones that was allegedly used in the infamous Jonestown massacre.
Speaker 2: What the fuck are we supposed to do with those
Speaker 2: kind of stories? Could Henry have been telling the truth
Speaker 2: about being a contract killer? His connections are pretty suspect,
Speaker 2: including George double.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if so, did the contracts he was receiving
Speaker 3: have some kind of government connection because of like I said,
Speaker 3: George W. Bush.
Speaker 2: Henry did not flat out address that in his book,
Speaker 2: but the training campus he described it clearly had military connections,
Speaker 2: and Henry has explicitly stated that the cult included among
Speaker 2: its members various socially prominent individuals, including high level politicians.
Speaker 2: Could that be the reason for the actions taken by
Speaker 2: fucking Governor George W. Bush in June nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should just give Old Henry the last word
Speaker 2: on that. Here's a quote. They think I'm stupid but
Speaker 2: before all of this is over, everyone will know who's
Speaker 2: really stupid, and we'll see who the real criminals are.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 2: That is going to wrap up part one of Program
Speaker 2: to Kill. We are going to get even further into
Speaker 2: the biscuits and gravy in part two. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 2: even know how many parts there's gonna be to this one,
Speaker 2: because there's so much information that needs to be covered.
Speaker 2: It could be like six parts. I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a good time though, Right. What do
Speaker 2: you think of Henry Lee Lucas in this whole mind
Speaker 2: control contract killer business? Not convinced yet? Maybe by the
Speaker 2: next episode I can reveal some even more disturbing information
Speaker 2: that will change your mind. But until then, there is
Speaker 2: one very vital, important piece of information I need you
Speaker 2: to learn just as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't seem to face up through the bags.
Speaker 1: I'm tense and nervous and candle. I can't sleep because
Speaker 1: my bed's on fire.
Speaker 2: Do nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm a real live wire.
Speaker 3: Cycle killer.
Speaker 1: Cause you see better run, Run, Run, Run Run.
Speaker 3: Cycle killer.
Speaker 2: Just see.
Speaker 1: A better run run, Run, Run, Run Run Run Intinus
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