WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:02.080 This is Kathleen Martin. 2 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:15.000 You're listening to UFO Headquarters. And thank you Kathleen Martin, 3 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.399 good friend of our show and a wonderful, wonderful person 4 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:23.719 for bringing us in there with Linda Zimmermann. And case 5 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:27.719 you didn't know, you're listening to UFO Headquarters. And I 6 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:31.920 am reluctantly here today back in the USA from Finland, 7 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:36.560 sad to report. I wanted to stay, but I was 8 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:38.320 overridden by the wife and child. 9 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:43.159 So here I am. Go back, Mike, go back. 10 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:46.759 Yeah, maybe next year. 11 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:48.600 You need a summer place there. 12 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:52.079 I do, I do, So that's that's what I was thinking. 13 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.960 So let's start a GoFundMe. So everybody please send Mike 14 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.439 your spare change and we'll try to get him a 15 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:01.679 place there so he can be happy. 16 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.560 Especially you know somewhere in the Lake region where the 17 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:06.719 mosquitoes are are really wonderful. 18 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:13.079 Well, every every nice place comes with a price, yes, 19 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:17.239 and the little red biting ants, but oh not special. 20 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:20.879 I could put up with that, I think. Okay, I 21 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:22.079 think I'll learn to live with it. 22 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.519 All right, Well we have completely digressed already. 23 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:28.799 Man, that happens. But we have a we have a 24 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:33.239 pretty fun show because occasionally Linda likes to put together 25 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:36.280 some stuff in never not tell me, just to see 26 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:40.000 how I react to it. And I like those shows 27 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:43.439 because I like going in blind and hearing the information 28 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.480 essentially just as our listeners are hearing it. So I 29 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:50.719 kind of like that it's almost putting myself in the 30 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:54.959 shoes of our audience. So I'm looking forward to this 31 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:56.519 one because I never know what's coming. 32 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.760 No, no one ever knows what's coming. Bob tells me 33 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:02.680 that every day, I never know what you're up to. 34 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:09.199 So before we get to our episode of Muhammad Ali 35 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:13.919 and the Octogenarian, which I believe no UFO podcast has 36 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:19.520 ever been titled before, I do have a case that 37 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.680 someone contacted me and said, would you have an interest 38 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.719 in a nineteen seventy five case, which sounded fabulous. I 39 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:33.280 said absolutely, so he sent back I could paraphrase, but 40 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.520 it was so well written that I'm just going to 41 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:39.439 read a couple of pages here. We will call him 42 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:44.360 Joe because he's still active in some organizations and there is, 43 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:52.479 unfortunately still a stigma. So this is anonymous Joe nineteen 44 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:56.879 seventy five. I was twenty four years old that mid 45 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:01.840 November night The overall experience from start to finish lasted 46 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:05.719 about fifteen minutes. A friend and I were driving from 47 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.800 New Canaan, Connecticut via Route one twenty three through Vista, 48 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:15.919 New York, then on to West Lane to Ridgefield, Connecticut. 49 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.879 At about seven forty five pm. We were on a 50 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:25.120 fairly long stretch of west Lane. At about the halfway point, 51 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:29.159 we saw a cluster of green lights about a quarter 52 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.719 of a mile ahead on the right, seemingly just above 53 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:36.439 tree top level. We thought the pilot seemed to be 54 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:40.360 running a little low, especially at night, but presumed the 55 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:46.479 pilot was headed to Danbury Airport. Shortly thereafter, the group 56 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:51.000 of lights split into two groups, one crossing over to 57 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.840 the left side of the road, and the remainder still 58 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:59.199 headed off toward Danbury and out of our line of sight. Meanwhile, 59 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.560 back on the left side of the road there was 60 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:06.039 a lot of woods. The lights had formed into a 61 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:11.120 line of three or four green lights that moved back 62 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:16.360 and forth, closer and farther to us, as if working 63 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:21.240 a grid pattern, with the line of lights not changing 64 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.800 its point of direction, as if a helicopter was moving 65 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:31.000 forward and back. At this point we became shall I say, 66 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:35.399 intrigued by what we were seeing, but not ready to commit. 67 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.399 I stopped the car, turned off the engine, and we 68 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:44.439 got out of the car. We heard no sounds, got 69 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:48.560 back in the car. The thing that we were seeing 70 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:52.480 now went off in the direction of Ridgefield, exactly where 71 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.759 we were headed. West Lane. Came up to a t 72 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.879 intersection where we turned right, still on track with it, 73 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:06.199 and still on west Lane. Soon after, the road goes 74 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.680 down into a small valley. The terrain rises to a 75 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.839 ridge line off to the left side of the road. 76 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.360 It is at this point that we were able to 77 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:22.399 see the silhouette of a teacup and saucer shaped object 78 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:26.800 lying just above the ridge line. We came up on 79 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.360 the other side of the little valley and into an 80 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.920 s turn, and we and the craft have now converged 81 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.439 at the closest point. We are just barely out of 82 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.560 the turn when I pulled over, stopped the car, turned 83 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.720 off the engine, and we exited the car. The craft 84 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.040 is now hovering over the backyard of a house across 85 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:55.639 the street. Through a bay window, we can see mom, dad, 86 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:00.480 and two kids having coffee and conversation. Meanwhile, while this 87 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:05.519 thing is silently hovering over their backyard. It's less than 88 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.519 two hundred feet away and probably no more than two 89 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:13.680 hundred feet in the air. My buddy said, turn on 90 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:18.639 your hazard lights. I hit the switch and the lights 91 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:24.639 started to flash. In response, the craft moved in a 92 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:29.000 little closer and started to flash a bank of white 93 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:34.319 lights around its rim. Frankly, we did not know whether 94 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:39.079 to defecate or lose our eyesight, which just might be 95 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:45.439 one of the best lines in all of ufology cases. Yeah, 96 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.279 so a little unnerving there, But let me get back. 97 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.480 So what did we see? A tea cup and saucer 98 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:57.920 configuration about sixty feet in diameter, about thirty to thirty 99 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.439 five feet from its undercarria to the top of its 100 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:06.519 pointy tip. It had a black circle on the underside 101 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.600 that appeared to be the same diameter as the base 102 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:15.519 of the superstructure. The rest of the underside looked like 103 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.199 brushed aluminum or brushed steel. There was a row of 104 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.199 lights around the rim. I seemed to think I recollect 105 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.279 opaic windows, but I'm not one hundred percent sure on that. 106 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:34.360 After standing there, stunned, I turned off my flashers. The 107 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.040 craft ceased flashing its lights at us, moved back over 108 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:44.879 the backyard, and then started to well drift slowly back 109 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:50.519 toward Route one twenty three, southerly back toward Vista as 110 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.279 it disappeared over the trees. Remember that other bunch of 111 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:58.480 lights that was headed toward Danbury, Let's not forget them. 112 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.199 As the first craft was moving out of sight, a 113 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:07.240 second one appeared, following in the wake of its companion. 114 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.839 This one was of the same configuration, same black center, 115 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.560 but with a brushed copper finish and about two thirds 116 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:21.000 the size of the first one. And then they were 117 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.160 gone when we got to the meeting. That was the 118 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.920 reason for our being out in the first place. We 119 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.680 were like a couple of gibbering idiots, and we took 120 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.799 a fair amount of guff for it. What have you 121 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:38.039 been smoking? Nothing? What have you been drinking nothing? I 122 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.759 was still pretty fried from this when I got home. 123 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:44.320 My wife had a hard time believing me at first. 124 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.879 I do have a lively imagination, and I'm adept at 125 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.720 making up stuff and being convincing about it. But fortunately 126 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.960 I only use my powers for good. But when I 127 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:58.440 told her that throughout this whole thing, there was not 128 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.360 a sound other than the occasional sighing of the breeze 129 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:08.159 through the leafless trees. The next day, I called Danbury Airport, 130 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:12.879 nothing on radar. I called the Lewisborough and Ridgefield Police, 131 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.799 nothing reported. I called the Ridgefield Newspaper. Nothing reported, But 132 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.080 would you like to come up and talk to us 133 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:25.200 about your experience? Which we did. By then a few 134 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.320 days had passed and I began to doubt myself, but 135 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.360 I got over that. I still see them in my 136 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.080 mind's eye. How could I not? And I guess that's 137 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.679 how we got here. Also, I contacted Muffon and filled 138 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:45.919 out of a form, and there's an epilogue. I've always 139 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.600 considered myself to be kind of hip from his years 140 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:54.120 as a musician, a little street wise, not prone to scams, 141 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:59.759 but acknowledge a certain naivete. So about six months after 142 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.919 the story appeared in the Ridgefield Paper, I get a 143 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.679 call from a guy purporting to be from the National Inquirer. 144 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.919 He's seen the story and wants to talk to me 145 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.440 about it. He came to interview me where I worked. 146 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.960 I gave him chapter in verse, even made a sketch 147 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.320 for him. I confess to being surprised to hear from him. 148 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.840 We see what we saw seemed tame kind of stuff 149 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:32.759 for what the National Inquirer prints. Anyway, there never was 150 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:38.159 any printed Inquirer story. Finally, after about thirty years, it 151 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:42.200 dawned on me, this guy was not from the National Inquirer, 152 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.720 probably some Alphabet agency looking to see what I had 153 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:51.720 or hadn't seen. So so thanks again for contacting me 154 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.440 about this. Anything else you want to ask or know, 155 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.039 contact me. If not, just keep looking up I do. 156 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.320 What do you think that is? 157 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:08.200 First of all, what a great detailed description and explanation, 158 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:14.320 and the moment he started describing the National Inquirer thing, 159 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:16.759 first thing that popped in my head was that's not 160 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.519 a reporter. That's definitely not a reporter. And it just 161 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:25.200 seemed to me, you know, and I know that they're sensationalist, 162 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.039 and but you know, to have them come and never 163 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:33.399 run this story, not even to you know, if it 164 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.960 was really their reporters, I'm sure they would have added 165 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:38.399 a lot to it, you know. 166 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:40.720 They would have, right, and they had a sketch. I mean, 167 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.360 it certainly would have filled up about half a page. 168 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.639 Yeah, And I mean I used to love reading the 169 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.960 National Inquirer for all those those goofy things like that 170 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.799 they printed and you never knew what was real, you know. 171 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.639 But yeah, well government agency. I mean that's a great cover. Though, 172 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:03.279 Hey from the NOWER more likely more likely to talk 173 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.639 to that guy than Hey, I'm from uh, you know, 174 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:10.960 the US Langley. Yeah, I'm a I'm in a dark 175 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.799 suit from a very important secret agency and I can't 176 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.399 tell you about it. But would you like to talk 177 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.519 to me? You don't have much of a choice here, 178 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.559 you know. So a great cover, great way to get info. 179 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.279 And yeah, I'd like to know who that who that 180 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.080 person was and what did they do with that information? 181 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:33.480 Yeah, but to see not one but two craft and 182 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.120 he did an I you know, of course I came 183 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.600 back with all kinds of questions and one of them, 184 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:41.039 could you do with sketch? And he did a great 185 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:46.000 uh rendering, and I was I was glad he did 186 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.440 because I was a little confused by the tea cup 187 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.000 and saucer. Imagine it's more of more of if you 188 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:55.200 took a tea cup and turned it upside down on 189 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:59.440 a saucer. So it was a saucer with a superstructure 190 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:06.240 with windows around it. And then, which was a great observation, 191 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:09.279 this black circle on the bottom of each craft. He 192 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.919 even noted it was the same diameter as the superstructure. 193 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.159 I mean, it was terrific. And then when you know 194 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.799 we've we did that show, be careful what you ask 195 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.080 for people signaling UFOs with lights, he puts on his 196 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:28.600 hazard lights. This thing moves closer and starts flashing its lights. Yeah, 197 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:32.240 I would be a little anxious at that point. 198 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.320 Yeah. That the beginning of his of his story too, 199 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.960 talking about the way it was moving in a grid pattern. 200 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:39.879 Mm hmm. 201 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.360 The cop and meat goes to, you know, grid searching. 202 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:48.919 Was it looking for something? Was it intentionally following a 203 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.639 grid pattern for a reason? Like was it something they 204 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.600 were looking for or someone someone was there a you know, 205 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:02.080 that sounds very purpose driven versus just sort of moving 206 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:06.480 around in the air, like, you know, describing as grid. 207 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:10.000 That just hit me like, okay, that to me implies 208 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.759 that they're looking for something. They're searching for something here. Yeah. 209 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:17.039 Yeah, So I did come back, obviously with a bunch 210 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:20.879 of questions. I was hoping maybe his friend would want 211 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:26.519 to talk. But he doesn't remember the same amount of detail, 212 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.799 but of course he remembers it. And one of the 213 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.960 things I said, you know, we hear this all the time. 214 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.559 People have a sighting and then they never talk about 215 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:38.480 it for like ten twenty thirty years. So I said, 216 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:41.200 did you talk about it or did you stop talking 217 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.960 about it? And he replied it was hard for it 218 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.480 not to be a regular topic of conversation for quite 219 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.879 some time. While we don't talk about it much anymore, 220 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.120 every November it comes up, especially with it coming up 221 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.639 on fifty years next year. So this is right, fifty 222 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:07.039 years later, and you know, here's like a new case essentially, 223 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.440 you know, bringing this, bringing this case. And I asked, 224 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.120 did it change him in some way? Some people become fearful, 225 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.879 some people become more open creative? He said, the only 226 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.879 change it made in my life is that it confirmed 227 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.919 for me what I had already been open to. It 228 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:31.759 didn't make me fearful. It left me stunned, but not fearful. 229 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.399 My wife and I discussed whether it made me more creative. 230 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:40.919 My creative outlets have always been varied theater, music, art writing, humor, 231 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:44.759 broad imagination, and a willing and this is my favorite line, 232 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:51.799 and a willingness to entertain the possibility of impossible things. 233 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.799 So yeah, I'd say it made an impression. 234 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:02.320 Yeah, on him. That's a life life changing events as 235 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:04.399 it we hear from a lot of people. 236 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:09.759 Consistently, and this was direct communication. He puts on his hazard, 237 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.679 it reacts, he turns them off, it stops flashing in back. 238 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:19.120 So I mean that is conscious direct communication, right, and. 239 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.960 Love there's intelligence behind. 240 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.639 It, right, And I love where he says, I can 241 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:27.879 see through the picture window, there's the you know, there's 242 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:31.000 the family sitting there talking, and there's basically you know, 243 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.159 you could just hear it in his mind, there's this 244 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:35.639 freaking UFO out of your house. How do you not 245 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:40.360 know this? But it was silent, and why should they 246 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:41.200 know it was there? 247 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:46.960 Right right? Unless they look out the window there. Yeah. Great, 248 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.360 I'm gonna start looking at my windows a bit more. 249 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:53.279 I need a big skylight so I can always have 250 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.360 my eyes to the sky. So thank you, Joe. That 251 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:04.039 was one of my favorite case descriptions. So well done, 252 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:05.319 and thank you. 253 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:12.279 That was just excellently written and just we're really really 254 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.880 appreciative that you shared it with us and felt comfortable 255 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:15.720 enough to share it with us. 256 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:21.319 That's yeah, And people people still contact me. I know 257 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.400 you've finished writing your books. Well, we'll see about that. 258 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:32.240 But you know, are you still interested in collecting cases? Oh? Hell, yes, yeah, 259 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:38.480 I just want to hear more and more so, so yes. 260 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.039 So why don't we take our first break before we 261 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:46.079 get to the rest of our episode Hudson River Radio 262 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:51.680 dot com. 263 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:53.839 Hudson River Radio dot com. 264 00:17:54.119 --> 00:18:02.799 Your mom likes us, and we're back after that short break, 265 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.400 and Linda, before we move on to the meat and 266 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:11.000 potatoes of today, Just to sort of touch upon Joe's story, 267 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.680 any of our listeners out there that want to share 268 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.599 their story, please feel free. And if you want, you know, 269 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.160 your identity protected, you want anonymity, spit that word out 270 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:27.960 that is respected one hundred and million percent, So you know, 271 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.559 if you feel comfortable enough to share your story but 272 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.400 don't want your name out there, whatever your request is, 273 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.519 we're going to honor it. But we know there's stories 274 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.880 out there that people haven't shared and we would love 275 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.519 to hear them. Now's the time get it out there, 276 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.880 because other people may have had similar experiences around the 277 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.799 same exact time, in the same exact area as you, 278 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.799 and maybe like, wait a minute, I was I was 279 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.519 on that road on that that time and remember something 280 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:58.880 like that, So please feel free get them out there, 281 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:01.759 get those stories out there. And you know, if it's 282 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.839 your name, you're worried about where confidentiality is everything? So yeah, 283 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:09.559 press that. Yeah. 284 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.680 And there's been quite a lot of sightings around Ridgefield 285 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:16.039 and dan Berry, I mean, and Innora, especially in the eighties. 286 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:18.839 But I love this seventy five and even earlier one. 287 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:21.319 And you know, as soon as I read this, I 288 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:25.200 went to Google Maps and he was very specific. You 289 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:29.039 can trace that road, you can drive that road, and 290 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.279 I know there's a lot of people like me who 291 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.400 like to actually drive the path or walk the path 292 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.240 of so you really help you get an idea of 293 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:45.119 the sighting area. So yes, please, everyone keep sending, keep 294 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.880 those cards and letters coming, as they used to say. 295 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.880 All right, so let's get to our meat and potatoes, 296 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:58.079 as Mike says, first of all, where we're going to 297 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.160 do the Mohammed al Li story. Now, I need to know, 298 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.359 Mike and Brian, what is your level of boxing knowledge 299 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.200 before I continue this anything. 300 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:13.839 Well, I know who Muhammad Ali is and I got 301 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:20.599 like my socks knocked off in the police academy boxing. Okay, same. 302 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:26.880 That same with you, okay, Okay, Well I might as 303 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.759 well digress right away before I get into this. I 304 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.640 used to Boxing used to be a much bigger things 305 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:35.839 as Bruella as it was, you know, two men standing 306 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:40.240 there knocking each other senseless. In the seventies, eighties, nineties, 307 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:44.160 I think it was a lot more popular. And my 308 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.599 dad had been a boxer in the Marine Corps because 309 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.240 just being a regular marine isn't tough, and you know 310 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:52.920 that doesn't make you tough enough. You've got to be 311 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.359 a boxer in the Marine Corps. So as a little kid, 312 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:01.279 I remember he had a punching bag set a couple 313 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:03.759 of bags set up, and as a little kid, I'd 314 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:08.000 put on his big punching gloves, boxing gloves, and I 315 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:11.160 was probably the only little kid in kindergarten who knew 316 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.119 to protect myself with my left hand and come up 317 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:17.359 with a devastating right hook, which probably didn't get me 318 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.920 too far in class, but I was ready. I was ready. 319 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:27.039 So yeah, and Muhammad Ali, he just transcended the sport. 320 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:31.119 I found him to be obnoxious, but a lot of 321 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:34.920 people liked him. He just talked and talked and talked 322 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:40.119 and bragged, and you know, he was a showman, so 323 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.319 it was hard to take him seriously with anything. But 324 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:49.240 in this case he was serious about UFOs and he 325 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.680 had a number of sightings, and one of them was 326 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.000 in Central Park in New York City. He used to 327 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.000 do when he was training. He'd go jog in Central 328 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.680 Park at like four or five in the morning, and 329 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:07.599 which wasn't the safest plate not safe now but in 330 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:12.039 the seventies. But yeah, I pity the fool who tried 331 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:13.599 to mug Muhammad Ali. 332 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:19.160 Yeah, that's almost like every time he went out, like please. 333 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:25.240 Please, Yeah, yeah, he was that person would get knocked 334 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:30.799 to Brooklyn. So I'll just read his statement. I happened 335 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.599 to look up just before dawn, as I often do 336 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.720 while running, and there, hovering above us was this brilliant 337 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:42.039 light hanging as if by an invisible thread. Where have 338 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.960 we heard that so many times? At first I thought 339 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:50.319 it was a beacon projected from a helicopter, but moments 340 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.400 later a similar object passed in front of us. I 341 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.799 brought it to the attention of my trainer, who was 342 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:02.799 standing nearby. We watched them come from behind the skyline 343 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.960 and move slowly across the sky for at least fifteen minutes. 344 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:10.960 The best I can describe the sighting is to say 345 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.480 they were just round and big. This is no joke. 346 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:20.279 All of my friends here saw it. Actually, I've seen 347 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:26.319 them many times before. I've had sixteen sightings total to date, 348 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.480 many times in the early morning hours. If you look 349 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.599 up in the sky, you can see them playing tag 350 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.359 between the stars, really high up. I've had a good 351 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:42.119 number of sightings myself. The closest one happened when a 352 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:47.599 cigar shaped ship hovered briefly over a car. I was 353 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:51.400 a passenger in one night, driving north on the New 354 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:56.799 Jersey Turnpike. What a sight it was. We could see 355 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:01.720 the shadow made by the UFO as it passed over 356 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.519 the pavement of the road in the light of the 357 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.160 full moon. What an amazing image that is a UFO 358 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:12.759 casting a shadow in moonlight. Before I could blink my eyes, 359 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.200 this light had come down toward the mountains until it 360 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:20.079 hovered right above the valley. Here. I knew I couldn't 361 00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:24.240 be dreaming. Sure enough, it was still there. This had 362 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.359 to be one of those big ships they talked about. 363 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:31.599 The UFO was streamlined and shaped sort of like a cigar, 364 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.079 but blunt on both ends. I couldn't see any windows 365 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:39.440 or anything, but I'm certain there must have been people 366 00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:44.799 on board. That's a great account. This is so unalie 367 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:53.240 like no exaggeration. What he is serious about this subject. 368 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.240 I have seen the video clips of him, you know, 369 00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:59.240 hyping up fights and like you said, he was a 370 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:02.079 showman and and a fantastic boxer. I don't know much 371 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.279 about it, but watching them boxes just I mean amazing. 372 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.559 So yeah, yeah, hearing this compared to his normal you. 373 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:13.839 Know, float like a butterfly and sting like a. 374 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.920 This is this is almost like another person, yes, different, 375 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.039 a different person here. 376 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:25.119 Yeah, this is the serious guy. So if you want 377 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:29.720 to see him talking about this, there's go to YouTube. 378 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:36.440 Put in Muhammad Ali Johnny Carson UFO And in seventy 379 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.839 three he was on Johnny Carson with Ken Norton. I 380 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.799 don't know if you've heard of Ken Norton, fabulous boxer. 381 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.799 They I've pinned down the date because on the show 382 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:52.240 they say that Norton won the first fight, which I 383 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:57.680 think was March of seventy three. He actually broke Ali's jaw, 384 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:02.119 splintered it and the fight continued round after it. Can 385 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.519 you imagine having a broken jaw and the force of 386 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:13.119 those punches, We'd all be hospitalized or dead. So this 387 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:18.039 was right before the second fight September of seventy three, 388 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.599 which Ali won by a split decision. I mean, I'm 389 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.240 just going to tell you this because you know, if 390 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.559 I'm talking about it, I'll give you all the information. 391 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.000 And then in seventy six they met for the third 392 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:36.200 time and Ali won by unanimous decision, which was one 393 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:42.119 of the biggest scandals. I mean, I defy anybody to 394 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.319 watch that fight and say that Ali won. In fact, 395 00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:51.680 Ali even said I honestly thought he beat me. It 396 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:58.440 was but politics. Ali was hugely popular. It was moreation 397 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:02.519 advantageous to the boxing association to have Ali be the 398 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:08.920 world champion. So a great injustice. But anyway, so he 399 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.680 comes on. Ken Norton's already on the set and they're 400 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:16.920 in their bathrobes and slippers, you know, like their fight. 401 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.720