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Speaker 1: What is going on?

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Speaker 2: Clippers fans, Welcome to season three, episode forty.

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Speaker 3: Six of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler. We

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got Void, Adam in the house. We got William Updyke.

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We're coming at you the day after the Super Bowl.

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If you're listening to us, thank you for listening to us.

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We're gonna talk about the Clippers back to back against

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the Grizzly and Jazz coming up. Some people are starting

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to wonder if Kawhi is fully okay. But before we

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get into that, the Ben Simmons transaction is official. Today

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they can finally start talking about it and stuff like that. Adam,

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how are you feeling this day after the Super Bowl

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and now that the Ben Simmons signing is official.

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Speaker 4: I am excited to see the optionality with this Clippers team,

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to see how they use them. I think if they

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use them the right way, you can help. Big Will

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has been on top of this one. I wish I

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came up with the idea be at the five. It's

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all working out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I invented it, but I was,

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I was a local supporter of it. Yeah, I think

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that it's a really interesting project and I think, you know,

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in the right role, I think that I think that

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he could definitely be a difference maker. It's just going

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to be you know, getting him to buy into that,

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which I think we talked previously, Like you know, generally

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when the guys coming on the buyout market, there have

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in conversations about, you know, sort of what their role

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would be and what that would look like. I think

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if it was down to the Calves and the Clippers,

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as was reported, I mean kind of regardless of what

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the conversations were, the fit seems to make a lot

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more sense just given the big situation in Cleveland. So yeah,

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I'll we'll see how it all comes together. But I

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think it is like a really it's a really interesting

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prospect to me. I know a lot of people saw

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a lot of people were not big fans of it,

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but I think that, you know, Ben Simmons is a

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player that has just had such an interesting trajectory in

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this league, from being a number one overall pick to

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being you know, like used as a point guard hated. Well, yeah,

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and I mean, like, you know, one really bad playoff

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run and that you know that it would be a

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shame if that was kind of the end of his

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career for such a talented player, I think, and like

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got kind of thrown under the bus in a series

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that the team lost. I mean, it wasn't necessarily just him,

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and you know, got paired up with the worst possible

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coach for a young struggling player in Doc Rivers, and

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I you know, I do think that he is certainly

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a candidate for a change of scenery. I mean him

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being on the nets like as part of like a

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superst like with the Superstar duo. I don't think that

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was ever really going to work out. And I think

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the expectations were maybe a little high from fans and

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just kind of general followers of the NBA. But in

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the right role, I just do really think that this

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is it. At worst, it's a risk nothing move, you know,

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like I feel like you've given up nothing. Yeah, you know,

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it's a it's a buyout. We're still under the we're

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under the tax, which is where we're trying to be.

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So it kind of checks a lot of boxes. And

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considering what was available to the Clippers and what they

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were willing to give up asset wise, I think it's

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a pretty nice app.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have to see what lineups he's out

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there with. People have already kind of talked about, like

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we don't really want to sing him out there with

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zoo a Bunch or with Chris Dunn just from the perspective.

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Speaker 1: So I think that is going to be something to

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figure out. Is like surrounding him with enough shooting and like, yeah,

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I mean not having him out there with Suo box

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is kind of a no brainer to me, unless he's

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back into that like like pseudo kind of point role,

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which still the the spacing there gets pretty messy. But yeah,

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can we can we surround him with enough competent shooting,

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uh to to you know, use that his playmaking skill

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set as an asset, because you know, we kind of

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talked about he's already what like the best ball handler

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now on the second unit.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the team other than yeah, but yeah, I'm

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looking forward to it. Like you said, it's a it's

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a no risk move, Adam. You've had people on the

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other side of the spectrum clamoring at you for Ben

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Simmons to start, which is interesting. The fan base is

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certainly oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, break down that lot for me.

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Speaker 4: Side of defence, here is this the zoo?

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Speaker 1: Is this the zoo hater camp? Are there still zo

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Speaker 4: This is a no our flow is so much better

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on offense and on defense. We're just so much better

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without James Hard. It's just one of these eye test

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guys that has no idea that they're like six points

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better per one hundred possessions on offense with James Harden

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on the floor this season, They're not better anyway. Maybe

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watch the start of second quarters without James Harden. Oh yeah,

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Like there's so many reasons. So he doesn't like James Harden,

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so he's looking for anyone to replace him. Don't be

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surprised if he starts. He's prized. If James Harden gets

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let go of and they signed Ben Simmons to a

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long extension, like come on.

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Speaker 2: That things would have to be so bad for Ben Simmon.

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That would just be a nightmare. I would like to

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see it, just what that alternate universe looks like in

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which Tyler tells James Hard he's on the bench.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't even have to tell me. The

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stat that the offense is better with change. That's a

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well doy stat. I mean, like, how could it.

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Speaker 4: Because he gause, he dribbles the ball, guys, and you know,

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he runs a lot of ISO, even though he was

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the second best player in ISO points per possession just

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this last season, only behind Kawhi Leonard. And that's kind

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of what he does. Some people can't understand. There's a

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difference between I don't like this style of ball and

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this style of ball doesn't work. There's a difference between

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those two things. It certainly works. You may not like it.

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It may not be aesthetically pleasing to you, but it

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works really damn well.

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Speaker 1: And for a long time. And Justin had his season

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high and assists the game ago. That was nice because

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all that ISO bawl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guy who only runs isoball averages like eight assists

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per game for his career.

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Speaker 2: Heliocentric. Will you mentioned the Clippers? Yeah? Will you mentioned

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the Clippers. They're under the luxury tax now the first

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time since the nineteen twenty season. I think that makes

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sense given what this team's construction has been roster wise.

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But they're really, like you said, they're trying to get

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off the repeater tax, and if you're new to the

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NBA and you don't know what that is, which is

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fair you just like watching the game. The repeater tax

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is when a team finishes a season in luxury tax

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territory after doing so for three of the previous four seasons.

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And the reason this is issues because the new CBA

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makes the repeater tax insane in twenty five twenty six

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when that really starts kicking in, So that is something

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Balmer's conscious up. It goes up, like so people were

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talking about the Warriors about it when the new CBS

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come out because it's like it's a lot more, it's

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still crazy percentage higher and they didn't want to pay it,

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so they're going to be under it for a bit.

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Speaker 1: So this season, this season counts as one being under

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even though it didn't happen till the trade deadline, and

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then so they still they would still have to get

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one more consecutive season essentially under the under the tax

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to yes to get out of the repeater Okay.

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Speaker 2: And then this obviously lines up. Obviously is the wrong

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word there for I don't think it's not obvious because

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people don't pay attention to the cap and I don't

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mean that in a mean way.

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Speaker 1: It's hard. It's also been I have found with the

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new CPA c like CBA, that the cap is a

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little bit harder to follow than it was. It used

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to make more sense. But now and this lines up

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with the Clippers books opening up.

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Speaker 2: So after they're under the luxury tax this year and

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next year, the books are yeah, like the books are

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wide open, they'll have multiple first round picks to mess

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around with with whatever they want to do.

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Speaker 1: Like so they're me on eBay on a Friday night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're me buying uh old Honey froust In miniweeds,

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Ken Groovy Junior boxes.

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Speaker 4: But the check just hit, baby, let's go.

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Speaker 2: But so also for people who are fans of big moves,

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there's probably not gonna be a big move next year either,

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because they want to stay under the tax.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we talked about this. I was

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kind of surprised that some of the heat Lawrence Frank

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was taking from portions of the fan base, which I

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guess I don't. I guess people just want a big

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move every trade deadline, I guess is not the expectation.

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Speaker 4: I think Lawrence Frank even specifically said pregame, making a

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loud move every year is pretty much impossible. You can't do.

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Speaker 1: That, and like who hasn't worked for ye, Well, I

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think it'll work for the Lakers.

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Speaker 4: I also think it's worth pointing.

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Speaker 1: Now this year, I'm saying, the year you do it

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like out year Rafters, who is it? You know?

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Speaker 4: I think it's worth pointing out that it's not like

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Balmer won't play the luxury tax. For many years, he

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was paying one hundred and fifty million dollars every year

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just luxury tax. They're not willing to pay it for

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Eric Gordon last year, who would have cost them one

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hundred and ten million dollars more just to keep him,

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or for this season if you don't have to and

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it's not getting you that player anyways, because they can't

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go over the first apron so they couldn't bring in

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a big guy anyways. Like it just makes sense if

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you're gonna be it level right now, you might as

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well get under the luxury tax. And then when they

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go all in again, I'm sure he'll be paying the

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luxury tax again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the luxury tax you mentioned, it's like one

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hundred and fifty Mili. The repeater tax is another like

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two hundred and twenty five million on top of that,

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and it gets bigger every year that you're in it.

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So like, I mean, I don't really have a bunch

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of sympathy for billionaires, but I understand if you're one

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not wanting to pay an extra three hundred million dollars

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for a team that's gonna MAKEE go as far as

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now make.

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Speaker 1: Pi sodas two dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do what the Suns do, the one good thing

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the Sons have ever done, which is making food and

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drink cheap.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the Clippers do play basketball after what feels.

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Speaker 2: Like, uh a sabbatical of time off for this Clipper scene.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the schedule, three whole days off. Do

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you remember how to dribble?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I hope man, I remember that six break in college?

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I would forget everything in between semesters. They played the

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Grizzlies on Wednesday, the Jazz on Thursday. A couple of questions.

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First of all, that game against the Jazz was not encouraging.

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On Saturday night, which game do you think Kawhi sits?

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Do we think Kawhi is the only one who sits

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one of these games because I didn't see All Star

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breaking or which game do we think Kwi sits? We

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know he's gonna not play one, but which outam Which

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would do you think he's gonna sit for?

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Speaker 4: I mean I would play him against Memphis so he

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doesn't have too much time off, but also because that

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means they're going for both. If you just play him

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in game two, I don't know, is there Okay, yes,

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gets the Utah Jazz if you're only going to get

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one of them, but if you're going for both, I

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think he's got to play against Memphis. Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 2: I hope he plays against Memphis because then he also

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just gets more time off if he sits versus the Jazz, be.

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Speaker 1: Good to look good against the Western Conference team above

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us in the Sandys, Yes, which we are going to

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talk about Kawi's formative bit too. Do we think anyone

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else is.

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Speaker 4: Gonna sit out? Just? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Maybe Nico on the I think the Jazz game is

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going to be a pretty heavy rest day.

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Speaker 4: I could see Nico, I could see. I mean, Harden

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never wants to sit out.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's sitting out, Yeah, because he's gonna

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say I'm gonna have a week and a half off

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get away from me.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Bogie since he's reconditioning, sits out the second game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, excited for his debut on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: What do we mostly want to see?

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Speaker 2: Do we just want to see just I mean I

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want to see him creating his own shot would be nice,

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or being able to help a second unit get some

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shots figured out.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of offensively.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what most people are gonna be looking for, because,

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as we've alluded to, the second unit, when James Harden

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is off the floor is not good at offense.

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Speaker 4: Will What are you.

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Speaker 1: Looking for from Bogie's debut? I'm curious to see, like

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how he fits into the rotations. I mean, like, is

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he gonna is he gonna be kind of running the

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show a little bit on the second unit?

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Speaker 4: I don't think game one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're gonna ease him, man, I don't hope. So, yeah,

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they'll just go for him many and again.

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Speaker 2: Like Adams, he's been reconditioning, so like I wonder if

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he's had how many practices with the team, like two?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm any unless they practice today, like I mean yeah,

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maybe one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just still think they need he needs another

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ball handler to like really be kind of unlocked. I

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think to it to his potential, and they'll.

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Speaker 2: Probably help help him get comfortable, right, like maybe a

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poor Adam what are you what are you looking for

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from bog damn?

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Speaker 4: Well starting the second quarter, it's been ka I out

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there starting second quarter. So if you want somebody else

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to take up a lot of the gravity and so

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Bogie can play off of him, there's the guy. They

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have him out there. They also I think started norm

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the second quarter last time with Kawhi. Yeah, so I

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mean there's definitely guys that can take the pressure off Bogue.

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You're having to do everything, Yeah, I don't think right away. Yeah,

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they'll probably do that, and maybe Chris Dunne will be

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there for playmaking duties. Who knows. But I just want

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to see him come off. Some screens make it tough

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on the defense. I think his movement coach Luke calling

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him a runner with doing some of the Kyle Korver stuff,

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some of the JJ Redick stuff, But then he was like,

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I forget JJ.

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Speaker 1: You bring up the gravity, which I do think is

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important in some something that they need for sure. In

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that second unit, but it is. I just they got

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to figure out. They gotta figure out who's initiating the offense,

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because I still don't think it's Kauha, who right now

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can't pass out of a double.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know are they I haven't watched

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many Hawks games, or to drill down even more, particularly

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many Hawks games where Bogie's played this year, are teams

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still respect I'm hoping teams are still respecting his usual

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historical three point percentage and not sagging off of him,

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because that will give him an easier time and show

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why he's a better piece for the offense. If teams

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are still doing that as opposed to just kind of

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doing the Christown defense, I hope they're under eighty them.

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Speaker 4: I hope they are too. But for his confidence sake,

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I thought it was funny when Lauren Schrank was asked

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about Bogie and he admitted, yes, he's having a down year.

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But you know, it's not like a franchise just looks at, well,

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he's only shooting thirty percent this season, bad year for him.

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They go through and look at every fucking possession. Guys,

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they watch every single shot he has taken and evaluate

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at a granular level of okay, could it just be

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some fluky shooting numbers. He's only played twenty four games.

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He has one hot game, and all of a sudden

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he's at thirty five percent instead of thirty percent from

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three and then he has another. Now he's at thirty

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eight percent, And does he have the lift? And are

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they guarding him differently? Is he getting to the same

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spots that he typically has in his career when he's

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had a lot of success. So they've looked at all

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of this. I'm confident that he's gonna be all right

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as long as he's healthy, and that's really what it

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comes down to. And Bogey said postgame that he's healthy,

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he's good. He had some personal issues. I don't think

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he's played in the month of February yet. He had

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some other stuff going on, and hence the reconditioning for him.

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He just hasn't played in a couple of weeks. But

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he said he's good, and I saw him. I was

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watching him and took some video of him pregame putting

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up shots like I don't know, I'm I'm probably dangerously

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confident in Bogey because he's been one of my favorite players.

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Speaker 1: You dangerously confident of Clippers new signing.

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Speaker 4: We need that there was that one.

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Speaker 1: I also shout out to Fly by Night. Justin Russo

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brought up when we spoke to him the other night that, yeah, Rousseau.

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Of course, if you're if you follow this podcast, that

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uh like in looking at the quality of his shots,

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it's like he's one of the higher in the league,

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and like the quality of shots taken. And while that

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hasn't uh you know, translated to his percentages this year, Uh,

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it's you know, it's it's still something. It's still something

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to consider. And I'm sure that the front office uh

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factored in heavily that he's you know, he's he's taking

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good shots. He's in the right spot, which you know,

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is better than the shots we were getting from KPg,

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certainly on that second unit. I also want to say,

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I also want to say that Bok was he he

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was seemingly inspecting the ball at every stoppage at the

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at the game versus versus the Jazz, Like every stoppage

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he was like going up to the rev checking out

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the ball. So I mean, he's clearly a high level

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ball thougher. So I think that that that has been

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pretty excited for his babe.

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Speaker 2: He was Someone on Twitter was saying he was probably

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checking for the Magnets in the ball because the Jazz

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were making every single damn shot that game.

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Speaker 4: I was. It was not a fun game.

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Speaker 1: The Clippers beat the Grizzlies.

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Speaker 2: The last time out one fourteen. Only shot thirty three

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percent from three, but we killed them in fast break points.

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Speaker 4: Zoo almost had.

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Speaker 2: Twenty and twenty. But the Grizzlies are playing some really

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good basketball. Uh this is before we're getting them on

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the second out of a back to back, which is sweet.

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Speaker 4: They're playing the Suns tomorrow. That was one of the

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best wins of the season. That went in Memphis.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: That was a Zoo twenty twenty game against ed and Triple.

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Speaker 2: J norm had twenty nine. But in the last five games,

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this is in their run up to the game against

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the Suns on Tuesday. Their top ten in offensive and

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defensive rating, third overall in offensive rebound percentage. They don't

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really grab a bunch of defensive rebounds anyway, they're like

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pretty they're like bad at it this year, so it

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must not be an emphasis. But their offensive rebounding is

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very good.

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about this one with how the

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Clippers have looked recently. Uh, they did not look good

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versus Utah.

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Speaker 4: They didn't. Yeah, this is doing all the stuff good

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that they've been doing all season. Basically their fifth offensively

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on the season, seventh defensively, they're second in offensive rebound

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percentage on the season. Like, they're really good. Uh, there's

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a reason they flew up the standings like that. Also,

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the Rockets, I think it lost six straight, but this

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is gonna be a big challenge. I didn't know they

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were on the second night of a back to back.

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That could be that could loom large in this Now

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does that offset the fact that the Clippers had too

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many days off as some people are worried about. It

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was worried about that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, we team Look, we have seen the

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team look worse after an extended break.

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Speaker 4: To be fair, that's true, but it just look dead

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right now. Our schedules so condensed on one end, but

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now they're giving us too much time off. Everybody wants

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the Goldielock scenario.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one game every two days.

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Speaker 4: I I'm sure I wouldn't find that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm feeling subconfident for this. The Clippers

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were also ice cold to start that Jazz game. Outside

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of Derreck Jones Junior and Zubats, who were like the

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leading scorers, I don't think a single other starter had

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two maine Field goals until like halfway through the second quarter.

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Speaker 2: It was Yeah, it was rough man, it was rough

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Norm Harden and Kawhi were like a combined three for

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fifteen at one point, and it was like, oh, well, okay,

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that's definitely not helping things.

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Speaker 4: The Jazz hit eight threes in the first quarter. The

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record for threes wading the quarter is eleven.

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Speaker 2: Clarkson had nine points in the first ninety seconds.

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Speaker 4: That was on real.

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Speaker 1: That was such a Jordan Clarkson brisk the Clippers game.

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I just feel like always Yeah, he had eleven points

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in the first quarter.

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Speaker 4: I think he finished with twenty one the whole game.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the def I mean defensively, if they come

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out looking like they did against the Jazz, this Memphis

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team is going to depending who plays because Adam he

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did mention the second out of back to back maybe

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has a factor here for their personnel. But the Clippers

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were behind, literally, they were behind like by half a

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step to the Jazz on their rotations and stuff like that.

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It was just it was a It was kind of

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a brutal game. Yes, they shot well, obviously, but even

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taking that out of account, not an incredibly confidence inspiring win.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've talked about do the Clippers play well against

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fast teams or not. The Memphis Grizzlies play at the

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fastest pace in the NBA, guys, and that's why I

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think that first win against him was really impressive, because

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the Clippers have had a couple of wins against some

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of the fastest teams. So I don't know if if

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it's just right now they're struggling against paced because they're

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already gassed, or if they can actually adapt and beat

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those teams, because like they've beaten Atlanta, they're second in pace.

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Speaker 2: Denver Hawks team. Though that Hawks team we played, weren't

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they down a bunch of people.

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Speaker 4: They may have been Denver's top five in pace. They've

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beaten them twice. But Memphis in particular plays at the

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fastest pace, and this is gonna test whatever the Clippers

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have less before the All Star break, after everying three

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days off. This is it, Like I need to see

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more pop out there. I need to see some Coach

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lu says pop, explosiveness, energy. I am praying that Kawhi

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Leonard looks much better out there. This is the team

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that is really gonna tell a lot about the Clippers

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how they perform against them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm stressed. Then they get the Jazz on the

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Thursday night, which I put in here might be gross

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just given the rest scenarios.

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Speaker 4: Do the Jazz play the night before? Let me check,

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because that was pretty amazing how many guys were out,

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including John Collins who was listed as out for rest.

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They I wonder if the NBA is going dude, they do?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: The Jazz have a brutal schedule. They play the Lakers

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tonight when we're recording this, Then they play the Lakers

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at home on Wednesday, and then they play the Clippers

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at home on Thursday. So we're getting both of these

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teams on the second night of a back to back.

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I would pencil in Clippers Jazz as not going to

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be a pretty basketball game if I had yes, which

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I don't think helps the Clippers. Is why I guess

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where I'm going with that, because I don't know. You

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play a bunch of random dudes. You don't really know

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what's going to happen. We saw a little bit of that, right, like,

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what do we think happens against the Jazz on Thursday?

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Whoever is going to be there for the Clippers and.

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Speaker 1: For the Jazz? I?

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Speaker 4: Guess have we got nothing on Drew eu Banks? Ooh

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with that ankle? Let me look, I'm just speaking of

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back to back. Who's going to be available? Maybe doesn't

474
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play against Memphis but is available against Utah, or maybe

475
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,480
he plays both? You know, does Bogie play both or

476
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:21,880
just one?

477
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: Bogie probably only playing one?

478
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,559
Speaker 4: No word on you Banks. And there's no.

479
00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: Injury report today because there's no game tomorrow, so I

480
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,279
guess we'll wait and see.

481
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,759
Speaker 4: All right, that's one where you're gonna have a foot

482
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,200
out the door, probably because the All Star break.

483
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: And you have to.

484
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,079
Speaker 4: You have to.

485
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: Adam's disappear into the void.

486
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: Now we can see him.

487
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: Why isn't George starting for the Jazz?

488
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: That was weird? Is that Kobe Brown in the second

489
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,200
half when he came in.

490
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: Is that a regular thing?

491
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:11,559
Speaker 2: No, because he started thirty games this year, But it's

492
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:14,599
weird that he didn't start in the game. Where every

493
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,599
single person was out.

494
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't watch enough Jazz games, but I feel like

495
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,839
he's looked really good every time he's played it, every

496
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,960
time they played the Clippers.

497
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,319
Speaker 4: I think this year one.

498
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: I think this year it's fine to not watch a

499
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,200
lot of Jazz games.

500
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:35,279
Speaker 4: This isn't exactly a stealth tank going off. There is

501
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,640
what a timeout called before a game tying shot this

502
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:42,559
season against the Lakers with Colin Sexton or was it

503
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:46,079
a game winning shot and then oh Harvey called the

504
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,079
time out beforehand?

505
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: Huh, it's gonna be weird. It's gonna be gross. I

506
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,240
think if there was ever a game that you were

507
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000
not planning your day around, it would be okay to miss.

508
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: February thirteenth versus the Jazz.

509
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Speaker 4: Before a gain.

510
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: Our next segment, which is going to be at Kawhi

511
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:07,000
Leonard and the vibes that are going around, who's our

512
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:08,599
pick for player of these games?

513
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:08,839
Speaker 4: Who?

514
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: And this is a tough one because we have the

515
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,240
rest days, uh for kind of both these games? Will

516
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,720
who is your honorary Kawhi Leonard? Norm Pala beats you back,

517
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:22,599
James Harden Player of the Games for the Valentine's Day

518
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,079
Back to back.

519
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm taking a big swing.

520
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go bogie for both Hell yeah, new guy. Yeah,

521
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,240
trust the new guy you're looking for? Yeah, all right,

522
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,079
better percentage from three than what he's been shooting.

523
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, Yeah, thirty, let's keep that up to thirty three.

524
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 4: My guy, m'd be a climb.

525
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: Adam your player of the back to backs.

526
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 4: That's a big swing. I'm on deck with the weights

527
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,559
on my back, getting ready. You got Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons,

528
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,200
call here both games.

529
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: He's just gonna get, you know, a second game of

530
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,920
the back back against the as Just do you Ben?

531
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: Do whatever you want? Dude, Yeah, get out of your system.

532
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: Did Charles beat the new guys? It seems like he's

533
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:08,200
not been.

534
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: No, I'm i have actually going to the opposite of

535
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,119
the new guys. I'm going one of the longest tenured

536
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,759
Clippers a mere coffee. Let's go prime guy to be

537
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,119
good in the back to back for the Clippers. Probably

538
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,799
will have a bigger game on the Thursday game in

539
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,200
which he's gonna be Yeah, I don't know, So I'm

540
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,039
going to mere Coffee.

541
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,839
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have quick aside, Like, what

542
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,839
do you guys think with the mirror happens with a

543
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,240
mere coffee with the team trying to stay under the tax.

544
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960
I think he goes somewhere else. Do you think he's gone.

545
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,519
I think that would be gone. He's unrestricted that for

546
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:43,920
this year.

547
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, because you know, they opened up some

548
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,240
more room by trading KPJ, who had the player option

549
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,119
for next season.

550
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,839
Speaker 1: The cap goes up, but that's that's only what like

551
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,119
four or five million, four point six something like.

552
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: That, Like a mirror is only making four? Now, dude,

553
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,440
does he get closer to ten? But it's nothing crazy?

554
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,160
But he is shooting forty three percent from three. I

555
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,160
don't know. It depends on what the offers are.

556
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,279
Speaker 1: You don't think he would get He could get four

557
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:23,559
for forty. Maybe I watch it too much so I'm overrating. Yeah,

558
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,279
you give I'm giving him a max. This is like

559
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,240
when we were Steve Blahmer's money. I don't care.

560
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:30,279
Speaker 2: This is like when they wanted Jamichael Green to get

561
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,440
a big contract, Like, are we gonna be able.

562
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,519
Speaker 4: To afford Jamichael Green? And every team was like, yes,

563
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:36,799
You're gonna be fine.

564
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,079
Speaker 1: I thought him on the Warriors was gonna crush I

565
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:40,480
did too.

566
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: Shout out Jamichael Green.

567
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,559
Speaker 1: Sorry, I got this thing away off the rails.

568
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: Oh you're fine.

569
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,279
Speaker 2: I think a mirror is probably gone. I think someone

570
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,799
gives him a bag. I don't know why.

571
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:55,599
Speaker 1: I mean, he's very good, but like I think it

572
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,519
might be an offer, like, oh, okay, it's four for

573
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,079
forty crazy. I don't like just with the new cap.

574
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,039
I don't that doesn't seem like that much to me.

575
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: Ten million year, Maybe that's a little high. Makes as much,

576
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,839
so you'd pay him the same as Derek Jones.

577
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: Well he's also US, so only what you said then?

578
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, I think four okay, four

579
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,960
for forty I think that makes sense. All right, Coming up,

580
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,079
we're gonna talk about Kawhi because people are concerned or

581
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:38,720
starting to be concerned about him on the basketball court.

582
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: There's gonna be some quick ads.

583
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,279
Speaker 2: If you're listening to us, if you're watching us at

584
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:44,759
YouTube dot com at Clippers Podcast, you don't have to

585
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:47,400
see or hear the ads. You can just watch us

586
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,559
for this brief second where we're suspended in animation, some ads,

587
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:52,640
and then what's up with KAUI?

588
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: Talk in three?

589
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: Two?

590
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,359
Speaker 4: What? All right?

591
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: Welcome back in to clips and did if you weren't

592
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:02,319
scared before thinking about coffee possibly leaving this this team,

593
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,279
you should be scared now in your head. Kawhi Leonard

594
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,039
has not then the most like I don't even know

595
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:11,799
how to say he has not. It has not been

596
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,160
an encouraging stretch of play for Kawhi Leonard as of late,

597
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:20,279
kind of compounded with some some quote like some quotes

598
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,200
that he made about about sort of the team and

599
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,279
the mountains to feed where I guess Adam will kick

600
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:28,720
to you, like, where are you at? What are you

601
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,599
seeing from Kawhi? What is your worry level? Which is

602
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,599
patently generally lower than anyone everyone else is on this podcast?

603
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:40,279
Speaker 4: That's true. I mean I've been on Kawhi Watch for

604
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,880
like four days now. I've been talking about this. I've

605
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,599
been doing specific shows going over how Kauai has looked,

606
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,279
what the numbers are, how does it compare it to

607
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:50,759
how he looked when he came back from the a

608
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,640
cl or the meniscus. I think it's fair to be concerned.

609
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,240
I also think the first thing you have to remember

610
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,200
is he has played last nine games. Those nine games

611
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:06,599
came within eighteen days. He has literally been playing every

612
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,799
other day. I think you start the conversation there and

613
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,200
then bring in, Oh, the minutes have also been ramping

614
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,440
up along this time, so it kind of makes sense

615
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,000
that he could look gased out there. The schedule has

616
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,160
been brutal while his minutes are going up. I just

617
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,680
want to start there and then also bring in how

618
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,720
he looked better early on. Yeah, and nobody was concerned.

619
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,960
In fact, after the game against San Antonio where he

620
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,599
had twenty seven and was like, Okay, he's gonna be

621
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,480
able to get back to where he was last season,

622
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,119
all systems go. You know, he put all our worries aside.

623
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,039
And so it's really just over the last week where

624
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,119
people are starting to go huh, because I expected more.

625
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,400
In the game against the Pacers, I was really watching him,

626
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720
and I zoned in on every possession and was kind

627
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,039
of watching his movement, and he was pretty gassed from

628
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:00,160
the beginning of the game. Now he does does it

629
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,680
look like he's dragging around his right leg or anything.

630
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,839
His movements look fluid. He just looks tired. So I

631
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,039
have some level of concern. I'm putting a lot into

632
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:14,599
the next game he plays after three days off. That's

633
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,200
where I'm really gonna be like, Okay, let's see how

634
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,440
this goes. Now, if it's just fatigue, if it's just

635
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,400
tired legs, minutes going up, we should be able to

636
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,240
see Kawhi with some more pop early on.

637
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's also what has people kind

638
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,559
of feeling more freaked out or concerned. Like you mentioned,

639
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,319
the start was so fast. The defensive intensity was there

640
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,279
game one that he came back, you know, he was

641
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,640
poking around, trying to get steals, moving around really well

642
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,759
at the beginning of games. It feels like now maybe

643
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:44,720
the whole game he's not as fluid or like not

644
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,400
as fast. I guess I like what you said, he's

645
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,799
not like dragging his like like he's just like it's

646
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,359
tired exhaustion. It's not it doesn't seem like it's you know,

647
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,519
killing yeah, or anything like that.

648
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,759
Speaker 4: The playoffs against Dallas where he just couldn't take certain

649
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:02,759
movements at all.

650
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: And then it's a very good point. It looked different

651
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:08,079
in the fourth quarter versus the Jazz on Saturday. He

652
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,400
looked to be moving. He didn't have the best fourth quarter, obviously,

653
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:15,119
there were some some rough patches there, but he was

654
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,920
moving a little more decisively than he was in the

655
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
beginning of the game or maybe in the middle of

656
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,200
the game. So I wonder if it's just he's just

657
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,839
literally getting his legs back. I hope it's probably that

658
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640
the nine field goal attempts versus the Jazz was weird.

659
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I just didn't like that.

660
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,799
Speaker 4: My gosh, should be gett more shots of and that

661
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,880
seemed to be he didn't. I don't know if he

662
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:42,319
touched the basketball in the half court set the first

663
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,559
four minutes of the third quarter coming out of the

664
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,279
half they were featuring Zoo, but for Kawhi not to

665
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,240
touch the ball at all after a slow start and

666
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,720
not to be like, hey, let's get him going. Here

667
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,680
we go, because even in the game against Indiana he

668
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,839
had eleven points on the fourth quarter, he kind of

669
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,960
did hit the gas a little bit there for a second.

670
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:07,480
He was being deferential. He wasn't asking for the basketball.

671
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,000
And I don't know if that's because if Kauhia is

672
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:14,559
any flaws, sometimes maybe he's a little bit too unselfish

673
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,880
for a superstar. He won't force it if he doesn't

674
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,320
have it that night, unlike some guys in this league.

675
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,119
And you could see it as a positive. You can

676
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,559
see it as a negative sometimes, but I think it

677
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,960
was just he knew who was gassed, and he didn't

678
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,320
want to have to do a lot of hard work

679
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,920
out there getting the basketball, having an isozoon and create,

680
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,480
I don't know, he looks tired.

681
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,599
Speaker 1: I think that like this stretch was was bound to come.

682
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,239
And I think, like I do think that, you know,

683
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,679
like Adam alluded to, like seeing him look so good

684
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,559
so early. You know, maybe the offensive numbers weren't great

685
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,800
the first the first few games back, but like seeing

686
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,559
him the way he was moving, the way he was

687
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,199
playing defensively, Like I think that that maybe changed people's

688
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,639
expectations or perceptions. But like, look, man, he's coming back

689
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:01,800
from a very long break.

690
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:02,599
Speaker 4: You know.

691
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: I I have been vocally in support of the way

692
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,440
that they brought him back and really slowly ramping these

693
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,559
minutes up, like as we approach, you know, like him

694
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,320
being at full game minutes. Like I do think there

695
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,079
was bound to be a stretch where, yeah, he was

696
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:20,280
looking a little human like it, you know, it was

697
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,320
it was apparent that he was coming back from uh

698
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,639
from a mysterious swelling UH. And I think that's what

699
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,639
there's we're seeing now. I'm not so I'm not super worried,

700
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,639
but it you know, like like Adam said, it is

701
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,679
something to monitor, it is. It is something to keep

702
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:40,559
an eye on. I think if we're seeing him be

703
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,239
deferential coming out of the All Star break, that is

704
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,760
maybe when it's time to start raising un alarm bell.

705
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,039
I don't know that it's all like a yeah, there's

706
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:55,400
a yes, it's not a four alarm fire or anything,

707
00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:00,159
but uh, yeah, I think that this stretch was bound.

708
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:02,679
Speaker 4: The post All Star break.

709
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the exhaustion thing, Adam, I love the breakdown

710
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,800
of nine games in eighteen days, like it.

711
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: That's a lot of Askerba.

712
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: It's not just Sham that looks tired, by the way,

713
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,440
So yeah, it's the fact that other guys who got

714
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,880
a training camp, who had been playing, who have their

715
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,480
wind if they're tired nine games in eighteen days, of course,

716
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:23,639
the guy who's only played thirteen and just came back

717
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,719
is going to be tired.

718
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a hope for a good showing, either

719
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,960
hopefully against Memphis or it's against the Jazz at ever

720
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,280
we see and then I think all post All Star break,

721
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:39,519
I haven't looked at their schedule super closely, but I'm

722
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:44,000
hoping it's a because Kawhi is probably going to you know,

723
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,360
we just talked about how like more rest sometimes is

724
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,440
bad for this team. All Star breaks a lot of rest.

725
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,000
Their first games back after the All Star Break, it's

726
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:53,079
an East Coast trip.

727
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 4: They're on the road till March fifth.

728
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they go Bucks, Pacers, Pistons, Bulls, and then two

729
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:03,440
games against the Lakers, so kind of a brutal start.

730
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: Check.

731
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: They play on the twentieth, then they twenty third, twenty

732
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,199
fourth is a back to back Bulls Lakers. Is not

733
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,800
a back to back, but it's a travel day from Chicago,

734
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,559
and then they play the They play the twenty sixth

735
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,639
in Chicago on the twenty eighth versus the Lakers. Then

736
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,360
they have a back to back March fourth and fifth,

737
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,360
which is a travel back to back where they come

738
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,119
from Phoenix back to LA to play the Pistons.

739
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:30,159
Speaker 4: So I guess it's again.

740
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: It's barely a travel day, yeah, but still annoying.

741
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 4: What's the schedule look like February thirty.

742
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: Your commuter into it is probably longer.

743
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: Than Yeah, that's true.

744
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: February thirtieth, they just have a game on the twenty eighth,

745
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:46,840
and then they don't play till the March second.

746
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm I'm locked in bro.

747
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:52,679
Speaker 3: Eighth.

748
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,559
Speaker 1: They got they got a couple of days off in between,

749
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,400
they got they Charles, do they have anything big coming

750
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,320
up in March? Pretty easy month for the Clippers.

751
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: Easy month, seventeen games. Well it really hurts him is

752
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,679
that February thirtieth game. I'm adding that to the March schedule,

753
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,840
So sixteen if you think about it.

754
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,199
Speaker 4: That way, it's an easier month than the Lakers will

755
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,840
have in March.

756
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: No shit, But so.

757
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,679
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if we see a slow start

758
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,440
from the team coming out of the All Star break.

759
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:27,079
That game against the Pistons is nice, I guess, but

760
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:28,599
it is the second hide of a back to back

761
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,840
they're playing, all right. Yeah, I'm gonna wait to freak

762
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,440
out about Kawhi probably until the Lakers game, because I

763
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,920
want to a I want to see him be good

764
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,000
against the Lakers, and we all that was such a

765
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,079
goddamn nightmare the last time we played the Lakers, So

766
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,440
it would be nice for Kawhi to be ramping up

767
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:54,679
then and then really showing oh this, I'm I am good.

768
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,159
I just needed some rest because he's not getting it

769
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:57,960
really on the schedule.

770
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,639
Speaker 4: So I thought it was interesting thing when he said

771
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,000
postgame after the Jazz when they were talking about I

772
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,280
think it was Tomayr or Russo who asked him, is

773
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,000
it difficult with so many miles to feed? And he

774
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,159
kind of agreed that, yeah, I'm trying to find where

775
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:18,280
I fit in. I'm trying to figure that out. And

776
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,960
it's like, well, at some point there does need to

777
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,119
be a pecking order, and if Kawhi is your best player,

778
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,920
he is your franchise player, You're going as far as

779
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,920
he takes you. It has to be more than nine

780
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,360
shots in thirty one minutes against a bad.

781
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: Team against you can't do it all, Okay, do you

782
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,920
have to beat to zoo box some help.

783
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what this. We're pivoting. We've pivoted.

784
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 2: So that was there was another part of that quote

785
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,159
Adam where they were They kind of followed up and

786
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,440
they asked her about stepping on teammates toes and he said, no,

787
00:39:57,639 --> 00:39:59,320
not at all. I don't feel like I'm stepping on

788
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239
anybody's toe. It's not like we're the number one seed

789
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,480
or something. So I was like, hey, first of all, man,

790
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,800
I know one was talking about seeding.

791
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,199
Speaker 1: We got to bring that up, but yeah, it has

792
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,519
nothing to do with our year, but nothing. Yeah, how

793
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:16,519
many times do we act as well after reiterate? But

794
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:17,719
you don't hear like that?

795
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,159
Speaker 4: To me?

796
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,559
Speaker 2: Is one of those quotes, like the quote he had

797
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,800
about playing power forward right until they get somebody else.

798
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't hear those very often, I guess.

799
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:35,599
Speaker 4: So it was more pointed. Yes, he's right, if they're

800
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,079
the number one seed and had a top five offense,

801
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,960
then he shouldn't be looking to disrupt anything or step

802
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,599
on anyone's toes. He should be worried about that. But

803
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,199
their offense is twenty second in the league. And the

804
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,159
good news is with Kawhi on the floor so far

805
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,599
in thirteen games, they haven't one hundred and eighteen offensive rating,

806
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,920
which is top five. Pretty good. We'll take it. Even

807
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,960
all the stuff we're talking about with him not playing

808
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,719
great or looking great. Offensive rating with him is one

809
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,719
hundred and eighteen. Guys, the starting lineup offensive rating is

810
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:13,159
one thirty. Maybe Ben Simmons shouldn't start, and we're bringing

811
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:14,000
it full circle.

812
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,559
Speaker 1: Uh tired, Kawhi is still a Kawhi that other teams

813
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:18,639
have to worry about, Like.

814
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not sagging off of them, they're not giving

815
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,559
him a christ treatment. They're not like and that that's

816
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:28,159
where I think totally right, and that's where the frustration

817
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,159
can come too, because you're like, dude, you're Kawhi, Like,

818
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,039
let's demand the ball a little bit more like stuff

819
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,519
like that. So it's like, I understand people being worried

820
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,360
and like Adam, you said, you've been on Kawhi watch

821
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,599
for four days now. It's one of these a guy

822
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:40,079
then the.

823
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:41,159
Speaker 1: Man hasn't slept.

824
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lives in the darkness. He's just floating until

825
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,920
he's it into it because yeah, it's and Kawuhi is

826
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,199
of all guys to be maybe a little kind of

827
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,800
always at one and a half concerned level about He's

828
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,679
kind of one of the guys where.

829
00:41:58,559 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: It's just to justified.

830
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,519
Speaker 1: I see, we've seen we've seen five level concerns. Quiet

831
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,000
like I did a number of times. This doesn't feel

832
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,599
anything like that.

833
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 4: And it typically starts at the beginning of a season.

834
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,239
Last year, I brought the receipts I was going backwards

835
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,360
and looking at what people were saying about him and

836
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,440
box the receipts. I didn't want to, but I had to.

837
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,480
It's my Burger King receipt. Hell yeah, what'd you get?

838
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:38,320
So they got these patty mills right now, they're pretty bomb.

839
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,119
I gotta say, I got the classic.

840
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Bread, like a French bread. What kind of bread is

841
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:45,880
it on?

842
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's like, uh, the role the slice roll with

843
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:55,280
the sour dough. Okay, okay, cool, they're going after the

844
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,119
sour dough jack hard right now. It's on. It's on there.

845
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,599
But they are. They're putting on all the gear. But

846
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,840
I remember a specific game last season, so you guys

847
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,000
know that game against Denver where they lost to Reggie

848
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,280
Jackson in DJ. It was the lowest point of the season.

849
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,440
It was about a month in. Yeah. Then that game,

850
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,920
Kawhi had still his efficiency hadn't been great to that point.

851
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,400
He took twenty six shots in that game, and after

852
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,960
that the very next game was the start of his

853
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,639
thirty game stretch where he was at fifty seven fifty one,

854
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,920
ninety two shooting splits, historic shooting splits over thirty games.

855
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,280
It was like he shot himself out of that funk,

856
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,159
and the next game was the JaVale McGee dunk in Sacramento,

857
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:53,000
and he started playing faster. So the reports of Kawhi

858
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:58,199
Leonard's demise have always been greatly exaggerated, unless they are

859
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,159
the greatly exaggerated, because sometimes there's gonna from a time

860
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,559
where he's going to slow down and people are going

861
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:07,920
to be right, he's not the same guy. I'm not

862
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:11,400
willing to go there though, yet thirteen games in, Yeah, look,

863
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:11,840
that's fair.

864
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: Will anything you want to say about Kawhi before we

865
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,960
move on to this very brief kind of housekeeping note

866
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,559
when it comes to contracts.

867
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,039
Speaker 1: No, but I do wish Burger came their best in

868
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,679
their war on the Sour Do Jack. I made a

869
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,000
pretty damn good Philly cheese steak yesterday. Chuck crushed it.

870
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: Chuck crushed it, which and thankfully lucky me, I have

871
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,559
left over carne asada, which means I am going to

872
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,880
make a basically a carne asada cheese steak.

873
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: Is that a celebration of Paul George only taking seven

874
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:49,800
shots yesterday for Hlatelfia? He only took seven something like

875
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,639
that is bad? That's awesome? What an idiot?

876
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: Okay, random things for those interested. Jordan Miller, we talked

877
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,639
about this last time we were all together, has two

878
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,039
more active days to use.

879
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Up for the Clippers. But they have a roster spot

880
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,400
now right, They do not have a roster spot.

881
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,639
Speaker 4: They would have to be.

882
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: Tough business, the shrewd business.

883
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

884
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, contract coming soon.

885
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: For mister Miller.

886
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: Four for ten.

887
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:29,119
Speaker 4: I don't know. Boat Chap hit that three point and

888
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:30,480
I'm interested. That's true.

889
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:37,119
Speaker 2: It looks good, Yacoba, let's go. It's be interesting how

890
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,159
they use these last two days. They're gonna wait until

891
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,559
they maybe we'll see it against Utah, right like that

892
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:43,880
seems like if anyone sit and get Jordan Miller of

893
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,400
his forty ninth appearance versus Jazz.

894
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,199
Speaker 1: But I bet there's a I bet there's a contract coming.

895
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,280
They seem to like him.

896
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:58,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not going.

897
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,639
Speaker 1: Where are you at?

898
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: I don't think they would. I don't. I don't want

899
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,599
Patty Mills to be cut right now. I know, But

900
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,480
then he's like a young guy that's kind of interesting,

901
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,119
and I don't know if I want him either.

902
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, especially if they're if this injury

903
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:23,760
thing is.

904
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:30,519
Speaker 4: They need significant even if Ben Simmons is playing more

905
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,599
than him. You still need a guy like that, though

906
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:35,840
this is tough.

907
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not gonna be making a mere coffee money.

908
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,519
Let's you know, we don't got to worry about that.

909
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: But I can't.

910
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 4: I don't know.

911
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: I like Jordan Miller. It makes sense to like the

912
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,239
keeping under the luxury tax thing. If you get a

913
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,679
guy like I mean, Boa Champ wouldn't be expensive either.

914
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,159
Speaker 4: I don't know.

915
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I hope they signed him after his fifty.

916
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, boat Champ's contract is expiring, that's part of the

917
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,760
and they got rid of KPJ. Boat Champs expires after

918
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,960
this year, So if they're not invested in the past

919
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,159
this year, then Jordan Miller should be the guy that's converted.

920
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,199
I guess there we go.

921
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: About wraps it up for us.

922
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: We are going to go out into this Monday where

923
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,400
everyone at my job was pretending like there wasn't a

924
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,119
Super Bowl yesterday, so I actually had to do a

925
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:24,239
lot of work today, which pissed me off. We might

926
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,440
have some postgame hangs for y'all coming up this week.

927
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,119
The Clippers play on Wednesday and Thursday. I'm going to

928
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,280
do a full episode for y'all after the back to

929
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,079
back for sure? Will where can these people demand that

930
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,440
their significant others listen to us?

931
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, make your significant other's day by giving them

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935
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Valentine's Day. It could be a nice time.

936
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: To really well.

937
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to start the gift giving early.

938
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939
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significant other consume the show, you know we appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: We really do.

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Speaker 2: An Adam from the darkness of the car to the

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light in your heart. Let's have one positive thing to

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start these Clippers fans week with.

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Speaker 4: From what I heard, the Clippers next two opponents are

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on a rest disadvantage against this at first, and that's

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not nothing, especially for a team who just got three

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days off. So I think Regardless of how the rest

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of this week goes, there's gonna be a nice time

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to reset and reflect and figure things out with rotations

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over the All Star break. It couldn't come at a

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more appropriate time, and neither could these three days off.

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I think the Clippers are in a good spot, but

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they do. We need to have some sense of urgency

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very soon here and this will give them the appropriate

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amount of time to recharge. There we go.

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Speaker 2: We hope everyone has had the appropriate amount of time

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to recharge themselves after this weekend. We'll be back pretty soon.

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Thank you so much for listening, and always, let's go

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