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life with Cory's Blair Kaplain, Hello Blair. And so if
you have questions, now it's the time to ask. You know,
there are lots of First of all, ab my sister's
on so had some interesting cases this week. First of all,
probably the one of the funnest thing I did this
week was Spae, my daughter's one hundred and five pound pig.
And it was funny having you know, an office exam room,
the reception area full of dogs and cats, and all
of a sudden they hear this sound coming from the
back door and they're going, what is that? It certainly
doesn't sound like a dog, And then we walk in
this very very well, actually she's not huge she's her
male pig is one hundred and ninety pounds so, but
her name was Willow and we've new her in the
male a while back and it was time to spay
the female. And I'm telling you, this thing is fantastic
and really really sweet. You know, it's amazing. They are
really really smart. I think in some ways they're smarter
than some of the dogs. Certainly saw it my own dogs.
My own dogs aren't that smart, but they're really cute.
But anyway, it was really fun. It went very very well,
very interesting. Anatomy, they're intestine, so you would think a
large animal like that, would we have like much thicker
walled intestine at least as thick as a male I
mean as a dog. No, they are. You can almost
see through them. It is unbelievable. And the uterus is
all sorts of weird curly cue I mean it is,
I mean, and anatomically everything's in the same place, but
from an actual the uterus itself, the intestine, everything is
just looks a little bit differently and you got to
get used to it, I guess. But and of course
because of the weight of the abdomen and the thick
skin and the thick body wall. We're using a much thicker,
heavy duty suture. But anyway, all in all, it was cute.
She did well. You know, it's funny they have they
have a lot of fat obviously, so the anesthetic that
we use, it's even as an induction, is harbored in
that fat for a while. So it wasn't like instantly
that she gets up, just like a dog cat. So anyway,
it was very very very interesting. Shannon, Hi, can you
talk about carpal hyper extension. My senior foster's a pretty
severe case, both front legs, a lot of inges. Seems
like surge is complex and they are recommending the physical therapy. Okay,
so she is not in pain. So it is basically
the flexor tendons okay, are torn, so you have extension
and you have flexion. So when the flex senator are torn,
then the extensions take over it and it's almost like
they will be able to touch the actual carpal pad,
which doesn't usually touch the accession of carpal pad doesn't
usually touch the floor at all, but it's up there.
It's about maybe a couple of inches higher, and now
it does so they learn how to walk she's probably
not in pain. It doesn't have the same mobility possibilities
that she can do because of the anomaly. What they
need to do, and this is where the difficulty comes in,
is what it's called a carpal fusion, and that is
they it's not very a surgeon, an orthopedic surgeon, where
they go in the different levels of the carpal bones
and they take away all the cartilage. They basically shave
it off. Then they put the leg in the normal
position as it should be, put a plate and let
all the bones heal together. So what happens is the
only movement they'll have at that time then is going
to be from the elbow. Okay, the carpets is frozen,
and then the digits, so those will still work. The
elbow will still work, but the carpus will be in
a frozen position, that normal position, so they won't be
able to do this anymore. It's always going to be
just the way it's. A dog's carpets says, it's kind
of like that, and it's going to stay like that.
They do well, so it's hard to tell you what's
the best. The dog says A young the young dog,
I probably would consider it done by surgeon. It's not cheap,
but there's no way to if those flexor tendons are
torn or the muscle musculature is abnormal, there's no way
to actually fix that. So it's gonna have to be
usually one way or the other. Unless there's something new
coming up. You can try. Physical therapy could help. Maybe
stem cell therapy might help take the plasma. That could help.
So there are some things that might be useful, but
I know it's gonna be a I think I have
a dog. In fact, I saw a dog last week
that had it done. They do fine, they really do,
So just keep that in mind. So, getting a lot
of vaccine questions lately, and you know something that. Oh, also,
there's a new product out there called Provecto Quantum and
it's supposed to be a shot and a single injection
that's good for I think a year. I don't know
much about it, and I'm getting asked about it, and
I always say I blame when it happens, I kind
of blame the staff, the drug reps that are supposed
to come in and prep us about all these new things,
because we don't know about it. Otherwise it's not going
to end up in a scientific journal, so we don't
get those, so we rely on them, and I know
very little about it. So I will tell you this.
The prorecto is a very good product. I will tell
you that the rovecto itself is good for twelve weeks,
so they advertise, I have very rarely do I see
it working for twelve weeks. Eight weeks, yes, usually most
of the others are thirty days, four weeks, okay, a month.
The vector is supposed to get twelve weeks, three months,
they say, don't say three months, say twelve weeks. I mean,
really makes that much of a difference. So I am
a bit cautious about something new like an annual shot.
Now here's another problem I have with long term injections,
and we have no idea how a dog is going
to react to a certain medication. If you give an
injection that's in that system for a long time, you
can't pull it out. It's there. So now what do
you do? Now you're fighting some sort of bad reaction
and there's no way to retrieve it. Now, if you
give something in a pill form, you can treat it,
and you know, okay, put that on a new list
of things not to use again because my dog. It's good,
it's supposedly safe, but my dog didn't do well with it,
so I don't keep that might now one last thing, also,
speaking of reactions, we've talked about Librella. I'm sure you've
gone online and you see a lot of bad things
about Librella. I have not had any really bad things,
but I just had my second reaction. Now we're talking,
you know, hundreds of doses. But I will say this,
I'm not sure. This is an older dog that was
also getting other medication and all of a sudden has
a bad reaction. Now, when you're giving something monthly and
then you have a bad reaction at some point during
the month, does that mean that it was the medicine
that you gave that caused it, or did something else?
Did something else? I don't know, and there's no way
to tell. So what I would do in the case
like that, if this happens is avoid that medication again
for a few months. All right, see how the pet does.
Then if you're bold enough, try it again, and if
everything is good, then you know it wasn't that injection.
And if it's not good, then you know. Okay, now
you're going to mark that on your list of things
to avoid forever and ever. So that's something that you
just need to know. It is a it's an issue.
Now other things that I've gotten, I'm just trying to
share some interesting cases we had. Well, first of all,
we have a young, a very young cat that literally
end up with some probably some sort of virus. We
don't know what it was, but I've never seen lungs
like this in a young cat. Now. I also had
very high kidney enzymes. And when I asked the owner,
I always asked it when it comes to cats, young
cats with kidney issues, I say, did I so Blair
thinks that Librella gave her dog case answer, I mean,
it's a possible, Blaire. I need to know how old
a dog was, because there are a lot of dogs
having up with cancer. They had nothing to do with Umbrella.
But if it was a young dog or fairly young,
and everything else was perfect before, that's another thing I
should tell you to do, guys, when you are starting
anything like this, even this new quantum, anything you're going
to try that is new, especially if it has some
bad things going on. See a twelve year old dog.
That there are a lot of reasons that twelve year
old dog. Guys. Now, let's give you one of the
other stories about Librella and cancer. But to make sure
before you start you have your dog thoroughly checked out.
And most dogs that are even considering, most owners considering
using Librella, they're using because of arthritis and pain. That's
using an old dog. So make sure that you do
X rays, ultrasatamtity, the abdomen of course, blood tests, your analysis.
Make sure the dog is really in good shape that
the only thing you might see on an X ray
is arthritis. If you have one such dog, then yes,
I would say go ahead and give it a try. Now,
there was one of the early cases of reaction to
Librella was a dog that died very soon after a
Librella injection and right away, oh my god, Umbrella, Librella, Ubrella.
Well Zoeitas being very cautious and really backing their product
and the fact that it's had millions of doses in
Europe before it even got approved here in the US.
They sent the dog to an independent pathologist for an autoxy.
They didn't want to be the one to do it
because then they say, oh yeah, of course you're gonna
say no, No, they participated completely independent. It came back.
The dog had a splemic tumor that ruptured, and the
dog bled out in overnight, which is exactly what happens
if you have a ruptured spleen because of a splemic tumor,
and it happens at night and everyone to sleep. Sometimes
you can get it. It happens during the day. You
see dog becoming lethargic, check the gones, the gums are white,
the belly is getting bloated. You rush them to the vet.
We put an ultrasome probe on and we see fluid.
We stick a needle fine out of his blood. Immediate surgery,
and we've saved many, many, many of those dogs. But
sometimes it happens to middle the night. Unfortunately, you don't
know what you wake up to a dead dog. So anyway,
so again, because it was an older dog and you
most times you're going to use medicines that like these
on an older dog, so it is something that you
have to be aware of. So I don't know where
if the dog had a full, full full physican, but
you know, could it have if everything else was perfect
and it did it then yes, it could be could
have done something to the immune system. Absolutely any other
interesting cases that you guys have had to share with us.
So anyway, back to some of the vaccine stuff I
had mentioned, So we're getting a lot of questions. It's
amazing because of how much bad stuff is going on
with that. Now I would say bad stuff, bad literature,
bad posts about vaccines. People are getting extremely, extremely hyper
vigilant about vaccines. In a way, I'm not anti vaccine
at all, but I am a fan of vaccines for
diseases that are either deadly and common in an area.
So I am very much of a core vaccine kind
of guide, and that core depends on where you live.
For example, if you are not hiking with your dog
in the canyons or the mountains and they are not
exposed to rattlesnakes, I am not going to recommend a
rattlesnake vaccine here in Los Angeles. I'm not going to
recommend a vaccine against lyme disease. We just aren't seeing it.
As far as things like heartworm, I am kind of
still on the fence because certain parts of LA people
are seeing a lot of mosquitos. So for me, I
tell people this, if you are killing swatting mosquitos in
your backyard when you are out there, then yes, have
your dog tested for heartroom and put them on heartroom prevention.
But if you are not, then don't do it as
a routine. Now, if you're planning on using one of
the great isoxazoleines with the heartworm addition, which is next
Guard plus, Simperica Trio and Credelial plus, then see your
veterinarian just to make sure that your heartroom negative is
going to be ninety high nineties percent of the time,
but just to be safe, make sure their heart room negative,
and then go ahead and start the newer ioxazolines that
have heart room prevention. It's not a down or it's
not a downside price wise, it's really not that much
more expensive than one where that doesn't offer that prevention.
So certainly, if you're already using either Interceptor or Heartguard
or one of the heart room preventatives, then one hundred
percent and you're using an oxos azolene, one hundred percent
go to the ones go to that we only have
one pill a month. It makes it's some mu's easier.
So that's what I'd recommend, but as far as the others, influenza,
that's a biggie. It's already nine to nineteen. I'm going
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Speaker 1: Good, I'm live here. I felt like radio's new. I
had a great question, so I'm so bommed. This dog
was a beautiful, beautiful dog. And I mean it's when
you have a dog, by the way, and this is also,
you know, good for you when it comes to Hopscotch.
When you're a dog that you know has a tendency
to eat inanimate, weird stuff for the sake of eating chewing,
then you need to be hyper vinjel. You need to
when you leave a room or you leave that dog somewhere. Right.
I have one such dog, my labrador. When labradors are
known for this, I always turn around and say to myself,
what is what could he possibly get a hold of?
Does possibly? Not that he will not be easy, just
remotely possible. And if there is a possibility, any possibility
he has to climb a ladder to get it, I
would remove it. I just don't trust him. And this
is where you have to be. So now, Topscotch just
taught you that he is truly one such dog and
you cannot leave him in a room outside where there's anything.
If you have a hose, for example, in the outside,
and he's outside, roll it up and move it to
another part of the art, or put it up high,
bring it inside something. Because these dogs, when they get
that urge they will chew and I have many dogs
over the years that this behavior literally led to their demise.
So we don't want that to happen. I don't want
that to happen, and I know you don't want that
to happen. So be very very very careful. All right.
Outbreaks that are happening in our area as being brought
to you, the only one in LA area that I
would say it's an outbreak. The outbreaks are leptos. Process
is pretty much gone. I haven't heard anything. I do
not use lepto own dogs again. Lifestyle, if you do
a lot of hiking, if you had a runion, if
you go in the canyon, do you go to the
mountains where they're running streams and you know wild animals reside,
then yes you should do lepto one hundred percent. But
if you're just walking around the neighborhood, we're not seeing
it now. Yes we have skunks, we have raccoons, we
have we don't have a lot of rat problem. We
have coyotes. If not that those are good things to happen,
you can't by any means. But if they were shedding lepto,
I'd be seeing a lot of lepto cases, and I
would be recommending to you and I would have my
own pets vaccinated against leptos pross. I'm just not seeing it.
The one that we're seeing a lot of it, and
I'm still in the fence, but I'm recommending it a
little bit more is the influenza. We've already vaccinated against
bordetella in the distemper parvo vaccine. The second p is
for para influenza, so we're doing that Michael plasma and
another rest of bug. There's no vaccine out there yet,
So if we could already hit three of them or
two of them, why not go after the third? Go
after the influenza as well. It's part of that cir
DC canine Infectious Respiratory Disease complex, so c IRDC correct complex.
And that's what you want to do. It's it's it
is probably a smart thing to do. Is it one
hundred percent necessary? I can't tell you. And again when
it comes to some of you out there that are
really anti remember if they get influenza, if they get bordertella,
it's usually not deadly. Now, if some dogs are immino
compromised and they get us to be a respiratory infection,
then yes, something like that could happen, but that's not
often the case. So if you want to give I
tell someone who's really against it. You know, I'll tell
you what I say. Why don't you don't do the
gut shot? See what happens. The worst scenario is the
dog you get a case of bordetella. It'll be a
respiratory infection. Be like let's getting a cold for a week.
All right, Then that's that you can decide. If you
think there's a possibility because of lifestyle it's going to
happen again, give them the vaccine. It's not a big deal,
all right. How long can it take for a big
dogs to eliminate software? Well, eliminating is one thing that
probably broke it up in the intestine, probably getting soft stool.
My question is is he squatting in that poop position
and sitting there pushing, pushing, pushing STI trying to get
something out. Usually, once whatever it is gets into the colon,
meaning it finally went through the ilio sicco cola junction,
which is very narrow. That's when a lot of these
things get stuck. Once something gets into the colon. It's
going to pass because the colon stretches really wide, wider
than the intestine. So I made it way through all
the way through, made it through the angle, I mean
the Ilio Sea cola junction. It's going to make it
through the colon, but it could take several days if
it's big. Now, if part of it is maybe still
stuck in the stomach, could they still get other food through? Yes,
as well as it doesn't block the pylorus. Could it
make them not vomit? Maybe maybe? So, you know, usually
I would think that if there was something in there
and the stomach that's trying to come out, they would
vomit or would pass. So if there's any concern, we
should set up, you know, a day. We can do
an X ray for sure and see what's going on there,
and then based on that we can do an ultrasounds
to lick air when they wake up. I would say
it's not unusual. It's not usual, but it's not unusual.
Some dogs will do it. And it's almost like if
they have dry mouth when they sleep. Then they get up.
You know, what do we do? We swallow, We try
to get some saliva going that might be somebody do.
If it's only when they wake up, they're not showing
any other signs, they're not going after flies, that's a
behavior issue, then I wouldn't worry about it. It's see
a coworker com me in Friday saying her dog woke
up and to walk, that she signed up for air,
but but she was too frantic. Any suggestions how I
can explain it? How long until we lost her there? Okay?
First of all, if a dog can't walk acutely, depending
on the breed, you definitely want to have a scene
like asap. If there are some tests that a veterinarian
will do to evaluate the nerve and the nerve transmission
through the dog through the limbs to the spine to
the brain. Okay, And if a dog can't walk it's
all four legs, is it just the hind legs? Do
they have deep pain? Are they able to stand at all?
Are they completely limp? These are all things that a
veterinary needs to see to determine. Is this the case
that's going to get a CT like immediately or an
MRI and then go in for surgery. Is it one
of those long back dogs that we know of back problems,
like you're like a Doxy's is it a Frenchy because
Frenchies have terrot back problems and they can get lame
and when it happens, it can happen very quickly. Now
it's just a soreness or a stiffness and they can
stand and there is deep pain. Right, then we'll treat
it a little differently. I will treat it conservatively at first,
with rest and steroids. I don't like when there's a
potential of back pain disk involvement. I am not a
fan of the non story of anti inflammatories. I know
a lot of the younger doc but it's interesting every
time I talk to a surgeon, they all say the
same thing. If you're gonna treat conservatively, go with steroids.
And I'm still that old fashioned guy. I'm going with stereoids.
I use nonsteroidals for a lot of other things where
we used to use steroids too, And when it comes
to spine, when it comes to disc potential for IBDD,
I'm going with the steroids. And most surgeons would agree
with me. And as far as air vet, oh so easy,
just you know, you can just download it. It's in
the app store, Google play. It's called air vet. You
want the air Vet Blue, which is the one for
pet parents, and I might even say air Vet for
pet parents. Follow the problems, sign up and when you're
all signed up, hit a button. You'll be talking to
a veterinarian virtually online on a camera who can see you,
talk to you, see your dog, see what he's doing,
ask you to do things for the dog, to see
if what kind of response you get, and that will
determine and direct you to what the next best step
is going to be. All right, So when someone signs
oh minutes minutes they sign up. As I said, once
you're signed up, you'll have a choice when you said
a wait to be able to request your vet if
your vet's on airbat okay, but since many mont you
can either choose to chat with a veteran nurse, which
I wouldn't do in a case like this. It's cheaper.
It's not video, it's just texting or video. Talk to
a vet now, and that's going to take you within
a minute, minute and a half max. To a veterinaran
on camera and you start talking. So that's that's that worked,
and it's it's really really effective. Have I seen or
heard about this something NAD for dogs been in an
algorithm and I cannot see anyway. I said, oh my god,
So I am a big fan. I did my research.
There was research I found quite a bit, as a
matter of fact, and I was so impressed with the
research that I started taking an ANAD something at myself.
And I've been taking out for a couple of months.
People say, do you feel it. I don't feel any different.
Of course, I remember to take it every morning. That's
that's a plus. But I have my dog on one.
It's called leap Ears. That was a company that approached
me to do some work with them, and I say, look,
I love doing that work. I love promoting if it's
a good product, but I need to do some homework first.
I when online started researching an AD plus ribosome. The
ribosome has a couple of ingredients in it that in fact,
one of them is nicotinamide and nicotinamide. My brother called
me for this. Methidi used to hear this one and
you know, like the nicotine patches, that's like nicotinamide and
very and they very low low doses. Some research shows
that if you take the very low sto that I
think it's seven point five milligram patches that it will enhance.
It does the same thing. It sharpens your brain, it
sharpens your memory, sharpens your focus. And they're using that
now to do the same thing. And I think that
the NAD the end is nicotinamide at an austin. I
don't even know what it all stands for and nucleotide
and it is. I would try it. I would. I
was very impro and if you do some homework you
should find it. If you find just look up nad plush,
look up nickeotinamide. You will see some a lot of
literature on it. And I find it pretty fascinating. Skunk's
possum said, in the yard at night, Lulu sniffs the
ground and she goes out in the morning. She was
getting out the sease on it. Well, we haven't seen
it in cases like that. Is it a possibility. Yes,
if you're seeing it frequently, like every night they're running
through your yard, there's no downside. It's a safe vaccine.
The only thing that people have told me with this
vaccine is a little bit of a vaccine reaction, not
a systemic reaction, just a little pain at the injection
site and they might be kind of under the weather
for a day. If you are worried about it, then
it's worth it. It's worth it if you live near
anywhere near the hills, I would say it's worth it.
Thank you, Stephanie. I appreciate that. Okay. We love AIRVIAT.
We talked to up almost once a week. Good. I
love air it too. Obviously co founded it with my son,
but I know it is. It's great, and I would
keep talking the other brushing well, there are a lot
of products out there that promote their ability to clean teeth.
I think it's better than nothing. Certain shoes are good.
I even feed one of my big dog TD diet.
It's tarder control diet. Does it make me feel good
that I'm doing it? Yes? But is it truly make
me huge different? Now? He's got good teeth anyway, so
it's hard to tell. I haven't not fed him TV
in a years, so for all I know, maybe it's
maybe it's working. But the absolute, all agreed best thing
you can do is brush your pets teeth. And I've
sown many ways how to do it. You know, the
one I love the best is you get behind them
they're facing away from you and you come at them
from behind and you're rubbing a first first with your
finger and the jenifers. It's non sudding flavored. Once they
get good out of you, always finish, Oh my god,
you're so good, you're so good, and give a tree
on hugs and kisses, and you know that's great. They're
gonna start looking forward to This means all of that
good stuff at the end. Then you put the figure
brush on. Get the ones. There's little silicone rubber fingerbrush
the ones with real toothbrush bristles. You try that again.
Start slow again, get them in the habit, start them young.
It will work and that is the best way to
keep the teeth in good shape. The can time the
matter rby well, that is that is na D. That's
what's in the NAD plus. That's the formulation. The end
is from Nico Tinobide di nuclear tie Ribus. Look it up.
I use one by Roos's Labs. I think it's r
E U S. It might be r U e S Laboratories.
They have a couple of different ones. I get the
one that's the maxim max and I take it every morning.
I do two every morning. So, but that is the
what's in the NAD plus general cleaning the things out
once a month. Oh no, oh, dental cleans without anesthesia.
So if you have a place that does does a
good job, yes you could. You can do it once
a month. That will help. Anything you can do that
will stop the problem is with that is that when
you the plaque the film is on the tooth more
than two three days, it's going to harden, become tarder
calculus and you can't remove it by brushing. Now with cleaning,
dental cleaning, if they can do scraping, yes, then that
might work. So if you are up for that and
doing once a month instead of brushing, that's better than
not brushing and doing nothing and waiting for a full
anesthetic dentistry every six months to a year depending on
the dog, depending on the age, et cetera, etc. So
the vaccine is leptosporosis. Leptosporosis, we have it. Of course,
I have a stray female cat has horrible breath, severe
damage to her face from raccoon. We think she's about
eight months old. Well, well, first of all, if she
had damaged to her face, there is likely some damaged
inside the mouth as well, and there's probably either a fistula,
a drain instract between the nasal cavity and the mouth,
or an infection deep in that mouth. And therefore, when
there's an awful, awful smell, especially in a kitten, then
there may be something going on. So that needs to
be thoroughly evaluated with anesthesia. And that was that's what
you're going to need to do to really find out
is there a problem in the mouth and what you
can do about it. Hopefully if it's something that is fixable,
and that's well, that remains to be seen. Okay, why
do dogs get your indivitis? They get your givitis because
of bad teeth and irritation and uh okay, here's things. Ugh.
Ninja is porth of all. He's fourteen. I just took
him in. He is such a love it's unbelievable. I
took him in last week for after what happened. I'm ali.
I was so nervous about missing something and I wanted
to catch anything really early, so I brought him in
because they were the same age. There were buddies, so
I know he feels the loss. It's very sad. Anyway,
checked him out X rays blood. You're analysis the works.
He is perfect and I'm thrilled. He's the one. If
you look at my Instagram feeds that drinks water by
sticking his head under the faucet. Right now, his head
is wet because he lets the water drip down his face.
He gets it from the side of his mouth. And yeah,
he's uh. He's a cuddler. When he jumps up next
to me, all he wants to do is cuddle. He's
the best, all right. Anyway, I think that's all we
have time for. I am getting dirty looks from Mark.
It's time. Time is over and anyway, so thanks for
joining me here. I thank you, Ninja. Thanks you. We
call black Ninja. He's gorgeous. And we'll be here next
week saying bat time, saying bat John right, Mark, are
here next week? Yeah, yeah, we're here next week, so
we will see you then. For those of my Jewish friends,
Happy New Year. I hope you have a good time.
And if you go to services, bear with it. It's
not so terrible, all right. Any question of the week.
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