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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Sentient Code, where intelligence is engineered, autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>is emerging, and a line between human and machine grows thinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Each episode, we decode the algorithms, explore the robotics, and

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<v Speaker 1>examine the ideas shaping the future of artificial minds.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to do something for me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to sound a little ridiculous, maybe a bit

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<v Speaker 2>too simple, but just humor me for a second. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're sitting at a desk, or maybe you're holding

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<v Speaker 2>your phone while you're walking, I want you to reach

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<v Speaker 2>out and touch something. Just reach your glass of water

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<v Speaker 2>or pick up a pin. Go ahead, do it.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels instant, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like absolutely nothing. It's seamless. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>want that pen and poof my hand. Is there, my

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<v Speaker 2>fingers wrap around it, I lift it. It's the most

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<v Speaker 2>mundane thing in the world. We do it thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>times a day without even registering it.

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<v Speaker 3>But if we actually slow that fraction of a second down,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, really, if we could just freeze time right

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<v Speaker 3>between the thought and the action, what just happened is

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<v Speaker 3>arguably the most complex engineering feet in the known universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, hang on that's a big claim.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't say that lightly.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's unpack that. Yeah, because to me it just felt

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<v Speaker 2>like magic. I didn't feel any engineering. I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>any gears turning or you know, wires firing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's because the interface is completely invisible to you. But

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<v Speaker 3>here is the reality. Before your muscle fiber even twitched,

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<v Speaker 3>a thought existed, an intention right get pin exactly. And

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<v Speaker 3>that intention started as a literal storm of electrical activity

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<v Speaker 3>in your motor cortex. It's a specific part of your brain,

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<v Speaker 3>the scorm I like that. From there, it cascaded down

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<v Speaker 3>through your brainstem, It rocketed down your spinal cord, branched

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<v Speaker 3>out through all these periperal nerves in your arm, and

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<v Speaker 3>then finally it hit the neuromuscular junction to tell your

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<v Speaker 3>hand to close. All of that happened and in the

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<v Speaker 3>time it took you to just.

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<v Speaker 2>Reach It's a biological cascade.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a massive data pipeline, and the biology is so fast,

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<v Speaker 3>so integrated that for a healthy person, the thought and

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<v Speaker 3>the movement feel identical.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no lag.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no lag, there is no user innercise. You

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<v Speaker 3>are the machine.

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<v Speaker 2>But and this is the heavy part, the part that

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<v Speaker 2>really grounds why we're here today. That circuit isn't guaranteed. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's incredibly fragileve for millions of people. That lightning fast

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<v Speaker 2>highway is cut. We're talking about things like als, spinal

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<v Speaker 2>cord injuries.

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<v Speaker 3>Strokes, praumatic brain injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. The heartbreaking thing I read in the research for

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<v Speaker 2>this exploration is the description of what that actually feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that the mind stops working. It's not that

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<v Speaker 2>the desire.

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<v Speaker 3>Fades precisely, that is the absolute key in many of

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<v Speaker 3>these conditions. The motor cortex is still firing perfectly. The

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<v Speaker 3>intention to move is there, the plan is perfect, The

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<v Speaker 3>storm is brewing.

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<v Speaker 2>That the wire is cut. The wire is.

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<v Speaker 3>Cut, the signal screams down on the spinal cord, and

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<v Speaker 3>it just it hits a dead end.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a form of imprisonment. I think that's the phrase

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<v Speaker 2>that's stuck with me. A fully intact, active mind locked

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<v Speaker 2>inside a body that has stopped responding. It's a terrifying thought,

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<v Speaker 2>it is, But it sets the stage perfectly for what

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<v Speaker 2>we are exploring today. We are looking at the technology

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<v Speaker 2>that is trying to bridge that gap. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>brain computer interfaces, or.

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<v Speaker 3>BCIs this is the frontier. If the biological highway is broken,

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<v Speaker 3>the question becomes can we build a digital one?

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not trying to fix the old road, we're

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<v Speaker 2>building a whole new interstate.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly can we bypass the spinal cord entirely and wire

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<v Speaker 3>the brain directly to a machine.

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<v Speaker 2>And we aren't just talking about moving a mouse cursor

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<v Speaker 2>on a screen, right, I mean that's where it started.

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<v Speaker 2>The scope now is huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's way beyond that. We're talking about controlling advanced

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<v Speaker 3>robotic arms. We're talking about synthesizing speech directly from the.

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<v Speaker 2>Brain and eventually, well, stuff that sounds like straight up

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<v Speaker 2>sci fi human augmentation.

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<v Speaker 3>It does sound like sci fi, and it's easy to

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<v Speaker 3>get carried away, but I do want to be the

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<v Speaker 3>voice of let's say, engineering caution here.

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<v Speaker 2>Around us a little.

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<v Speaker 3>This is happening now, but it is incredibly hard, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean unbelievably difficult. It is a collision of neuroscience, machine learning, robotics,

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<v Speaker 3>and crucially ethics. And while the future possibilities are wild,

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<v Speaker 3>the current reality is actually in some ways even more

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating because of the sheer difficulty of the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So our mission today is to understand how we hack

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<v Speaker 2>the brain. How do we listen to that electrical storm

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<v Speaker 2>and translate it into action.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So to understand how we plug a computer into

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<v Speaker 2>the brain, we first have to understand how the brain talks.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most people have this vague idea that it's electrical.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's not like a wall socket, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, find the right port and play in

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<v Speaker 2>a USB cable.

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<v Speaker 3>Not exactly. The brain is an electrochemical organ. It's wet,

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<v Speaker 3>it's salty, right, not great for electronics, not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>And you have roughly one hundred billion neurons. That number

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<v Speaker 3>is staggering, one hundred billion. And when they communicate, they

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<v Speaker 3>fire what's called an action potential, and all that is

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<v Speaker 3>really is a tiny sharp pulse of voltage. It's caused

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<v Speaker 3>by ions, things like sodium and potassium rushing in and

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<v Speaker 3>out of a cell membrane.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a little chemical battery firing off a spark.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great way to think about it, a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>little spark. And this isn't a sporadic thing. This is

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<v Speaker 3>happening constantly all over your.

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<v Speaker 2>Brain, even when you're just sitting here doing nothing constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a symphony of noise. Even when you are sleeping,

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<v Speaker 3>it's humming with activity. But for our purposes today, for BCI,

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<v Speaker 3>we are interested in a very specific part of the

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<v Speaker 3>brain called the primary motor cortex.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, walk us through the geography. Here. Where is this

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<v Speaker 2>command center for movement?

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine a headband, a strip of tissue running roughly from

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<v Speaker 3>ear to ear right across the top of your head.

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<v Speaker 3>That is your command center for voluntary movement.

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<v Speaker 2>And everything I consciously decide to move command starts there.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single voluntary movement, Yes, from wiggling your to speaking

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<v Speaker 3>a word.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen those diagrams of the homunculus. Yeah, it's that

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<v Speaker 2>weird distorted little man drawn over the brain. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>map right of the body.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a map, a very famous one. If you

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<v Speaker 3>were to open up the skull and.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't do this at humeh right, disclaimer.

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<v Speaker 3>And you were to electrically stimulate specific spots on that strip,

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<v Speaker 3>you would see specific body parts twitch. Stimulate. Here, the

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<v Speaker 3>thumb moves move a centimeter over, the lip twitches.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's one to one map it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But here is the catch. The map isn't drawn to

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<v Speaker 3>scale based on physical size. It's drawn to scale based

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<v Speaker 3>on complexity of movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, so my back is physically huge, but on

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<v Speaker 2>the brain map it's tiny.

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<v Speaker 3>Your back takes up a minuscule amount of space on

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<v Speaker 3>that map. You don't need fine motor control for your

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<v Speaker 3>lower back.

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<v Speaker 2>I just needed to, you know, hold me up right.

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<v Speaker 3>But your hands, your face, your tongue, they take up

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<v Speaker 3>massive amounts of real estate on that strip. Why the

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<v Speaker 3>amount of neural processing power required to move your thumb

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<v Speaker 3>and forefinger with precision to pick up a dime is well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's astronomical compared to the processing power it takes to

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<v Speaker 3>move your leg to walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of the decks terity involved. We have incredible fine

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<v Speaker 2>motor skills in our hands. Speech is another one, I

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<v Speaker 2>imagine exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is where the engineering challenge really begins. When

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<v Speaker 3>you decide to move that hand. It's not just one

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<v Speaker 3>neuron raising a little flag saying move left.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be too easy. If it were one neuron,

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<v Speaker 2>we could just find that one guy and listen to them.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be vastly easier. We'd have solved this decades ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But the brain uses something called population coding. A population,

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<v Speaker 3>so a crowd, it's a distributed chorus. It's thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>neurons firing in a complex, coordinated pattern. And they aren't

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<v Speaker 3>just saying left. They are simultaneously encoding direction and speed

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<v Speaker 3>and force and the kinematics of the whole trajectory, all

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<v Speaker 3>at once, all at once. It is a massive, noisy,

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<v Speaker 3>high dimensional data stream. So if I'm a BCI engineer,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not looking for a single switch I can flip.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to to a choir of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 3>screaming slightly different instructions at once, and I have to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out what song they're singing.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a very very good analogy, and the problem

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<v Speaker 2>gets even worse. Oh great, because usually the brain is cheating, cheating.

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<v Speaker 3>How does the brain cheat?

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<v Speaker 2>Feedback a constant stream of feedback. When you move your

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<v Speaker 2>hand to pick up that water glass, you weren't just

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<v Speaker 2>sending a command down. You are receiving data up.

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<v Speaker 3>Your eyes see the hand moving, Your skin feels the

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<v Speaker 3>air moving past it. Your muscles and joints have sensors

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<v Speaker 3>proprioception that tell you exactly where your arm is in

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<v Speaker 3>space without you even looking right.

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<v Speaker 2>I can touch my nose with my eyes closed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's proprioception, and your brain is constantly, millisecond by millisecond

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<v Speaker 3>adjusting the plan based on that rich stream of feedback.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I am a little too far to the left.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct course, Wait, the glass is heavier than I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Apply more force constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a closed loop system. When we build a BCI,

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<v Speaker 3>we are often flying blind. We are taking the output command,

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<v Speaker 3>the shout from the choir, but we usually can't give

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<v Speaker 3>the brain the same rich sensory feedback it's used to.

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<v Speaker 2>We're intercepting the shout, but the brain can't hear the echo.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and that makes it the control problem so much harder.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know the brain is shouting these electrical commands,

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<v Speaker 2>the next big question is how do we listen? And

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the research, this seems to be the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>debate in the field right now. It's this fundamental trade off.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the trade off resolution versus invasiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>To cut or not to cut.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good way to put it. We can really

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<v Speaker 3>think of this as three different scales of listening, three

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<v Speaker 3>ways to eavesdrop on the brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's start with the most intense one, the one

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<v Speaker 2>that requires a sterile operating room and a neurosurgeon.

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<v Speaker 3>The finest scale is single unit recording. This means we

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<v Speaker 3>are putting electrodes directly inside the brain tissue. We are

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<v Speaker 3>physically penetrating the cortex and getting right up next to

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<v Speaker 3>the cell bodies of the neurons.

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<v Speaker 2>This is open brain sugery. We are drilling a hole

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<v Speaker 2>in the skull.

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<v Speaker 3>We are There's no way around it. But the advantage

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<v Speaker 3>is clarity. The signal to noise ratio is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to your acquire analogy, what does this get us?

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<v Speaker 3>This is like putting a microphone right in front of

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<v Speaker 2>With that precision you can decode much more complex movements precisely.

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<v Speaker 3>You can start to pull out signals for individual finger movements.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, you're stabbing the brain, I mean gently. I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but that can't be good for long term health.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not ideal. The brain is a very hostile environment

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<v Speaker 2>It treats the electrode like a splinter.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly like a splinter. Over time, you get scarring. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a wall of tissue around the electrode.

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<v Speaker 2>And that pushes the neurons away.

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<v Speaker 3>It pushes the neurons away from the electrode, the microphone

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<v Speaker 3>gets muffled, the signal degrades. This long term stability is

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<v Speaker 2>Of BCIs okay, So that's that high risk, high reward option,

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<v Speaker 2>maximum data, but maximum danger, and it degrades over time.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the middle ground?

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<v Speaker 3>The middle ground is usually called local field potentials or LFPs.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the difference in approach here?

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<v Speaker 3>Instead of poking the sharp electrodes inside the tissue, you

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<v Speaker 3>on the surface of the brain, under the skull, but

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<v Speaker 3>on top of the gray matter. Ah, So you're still

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<v Speaker 3>inside the skull, which is invasive, but you aren't penetrating

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<v Speaker 3>the brain tissue itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, you aren't triggering that same aggressive immune response.

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<v Speaker 3>So in our choir analogy, where are we now?

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<v Speaker 2>You aren't hearing the soloist anymore. You're hearing the entire

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<v Speaker 2>soprano section as a group. You know they're singing, you

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<v Speaker 2>know the general melody, but you can't pick out an

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<v Speaker 3>So you're summing up the activity of thousands of neurons.

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<v Speaker 3>Less detail, but maybe safer and more stable over time.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's a compromise. You lose that fine grain specific

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<v Speaker 2>data you might need for say, playing a piano with

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<v Speaker 2>a robotic hand, but it's much more stable long term.

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<v Speaker 3>Which brings us to option three, the one everyone wants

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<v Speaker 3>to work because it doesn't involve.

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<v Speaker 2>A drill, the Holy Grail, non.

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<v Speaker 3>Invasive, the headset, the EEG cap that you just put on.

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<v Speaker 2>Right EEG or electro and cephlography. You're just placing electrodes

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<v Speaker 2>on the scalp with some conductive gel, no surgery, just

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<v Speaker 2>a funny looking hat with a lot of wires.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds perfect, that's the catch. The catch is the skull.

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<v Speaker 3>The skull is a massive electrical insulator. It smears and

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<v Speaker 2>Brain and the sources used a great analogy for this.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, it's like standing in the parking lot of

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<v Speaker 3>It's a perfect analogy. You can hear the roar of

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd, you know when a touchdown happens, because the

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<v Speaker 2>Or bored, big large scale signals.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, you can detect large scale brain states, but you

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<v Speaker 3>cannot hear the quarterback calling the play. The specific detailed

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<v Speaker 2>So if I want to control a cursor on a

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's a big signal. We can detect that. But

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<v Speaker 2>It, you need to hear the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to hear the quarterback. You need to be

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<v Speaker 2>That is the cool irony of this whole field, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like the central conflict. To get the magical

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<v Speaker 2>sci fi dexterity that could change lives, you currently have

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<v Speaker 2>to drill a hole in someone's skull, that's right. But

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<v Speaker 2>to make the technology accessible and safe for everyone, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to use the non invasive methods, which for now

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<v Speaker 2>lose too much fidelity for those complex tasks.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the central tension, The engineering dilemma that every

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<v Speaker 3>single lab in company in this space is wrestling with

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<v Speaker 3>is essentially how can we get the highest resolution signal

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<v Speaker 2>So let's assume we've made that choice. We've gone for

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<v Speaker 2>the high fidelity option. We've drilled the whole, we've got

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<v Speaker 2>the wires in, we're listening to the soloist. Now comes

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<v Speaker 2>the part that honestly breaks my brain a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>The decoding the machine learning problem. This is where neuroscience

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<v Speaker 3>stops and computer science really begins.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the brain isn't sending computer code, it's not sending English,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sending what sounds like static. How on earth do

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<v Speaker 2>we turn a storm of electrical noise into the command

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<v Speaker 2>move robot arm left.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where the progress in AI and machine learning

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<v Speaker 3>over the last decade has completely changed the game. In

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<v Speaker 3>the old days. By old days, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>ten fifteen years ago, we used relatively simple linear models, simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Math, like more firing in this area equals more speed

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<v Speaker 3>Relatively Yes, it was essentially drawing a straight line. If

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<v Speaker 3>this neuron fires fast, move hand right, that one fires fast,

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<v Speaker 3>move hand up, and surprisingly that works for basic stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, the brain is robust enough that even a

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<v Speaker 3>simple MAC like that captures something meaningful. But it hit

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<v Speaker 3>a ceiling. You couldn't do complex, fluid, coordinated movements. It

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<v Speaker 2>Enter deep learning exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we use much more sophisticated tools. We use recurrent

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<v Speaker 3>neural networks RNNs and transformers, the same kind of AI

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<v Speaker 3>architecture behind things like chat GPT, but applied to neural

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<v Speaker 3>signals instead of words.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that work? How do you apply a language

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<v Speaker 2>model to brainwaves?

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<v Speaker 3>We stop thinking about individual neurons and start treating the

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<v Speaker 3>neural activity as a trajectory through what we call high

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, hold on, you're losing me. High dimensional space. Explain

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<v Speaker 2>that to me like I'm five.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Think of it this way. Instead of looking at

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<v Speaker 3>one neuron at a time, the AI looks at the

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<v Speaker 3>state of the entire population of neurons. We're recording from

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<v Speaker 3>say one hundred of them, all at once, at a

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<v Speaker 2>So it's looking at the whole choir, not just one singer.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole choir, and it does this many times a second.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine a flock of birds turning in the sky. If

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<v Speaker 3>you only watch one bird, its movement seems chaotic and unpredictable, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But if you watch the shape of the entire flock,

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<v Speaker 3>you can see clear patterns. You can predict where the

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<v Speaker 3>group is going. The AI learns the shape of the intention.

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<v Speaker 3>It recognizes that this specific swirl of activity, this shape

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<v Speaker 3>in high dimensional space means prepared to grasp, and that

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<v Speaker 3>swirl means accelery forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's pattern recognition on a massive, massive scale.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all it is. But it's incredibly powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a catch. The sources all mentioned something they

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<v Speaker 2>call the drift, which sounds like a horror movie title,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, or maybe a racing movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a bit of a nightmare for engineers, so

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<v Speaker 3>maybe horror movie is right. The problem is that the

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<v Speaker 3>brain is not a static chip. It's plastic. It changes,

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<v Speaker 3>it learns, it learns, Neurons die or they change their tuning.

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<v Speaker 3>The way they fire in response to a certain intention,

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<v Speaker 3>or on a purely mechanical level, the electro to array

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<v Speaker 3>might shift by a few micrometers because the brain wobbles

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I never even thought of that. So the algorithm

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<v Speaker 3>The map has changed the relationship between the neural signals

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<v Speaker 3>and the intention has drifted.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds incredibly frustrating for the user. I mean, imagine

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<v Speaker 2>your computer mounts working perfectly in the morning, but by lunchtime,

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<v Speaker 2>moving your handwright makes the cursor go up. You'd go crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>It happens, and traditionally the solution was clumsy. It was recalibration.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It means you have to stop everything you're doing and

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do a twenty minute training session. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>now think about moving left four minute. Now think right

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<v Speaker 3>for a minute. Now think up. Every single day, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>That's a job. That's not a tool. If I have

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<v Speaker 2>to train my phone for twenty minutes before I can

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<v Speaker 2>send a text message, I'm throwing the.

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<v Speaker 3>Phone away exactly. It's a huge barrier to adoption. So

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<v Speaker 3>the cutting edge right now is in adaptive algorithms.

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<v Speaker 2>So they adapt on the fly.

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<v Speaker 3>The AI continues to learn while you use it. It

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<v Speaker 3>watches for errors. If it sees you correcting a mistake,

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<v Speaker 3>like you clearly intended to go left, but the cursor

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<v Speaker 3>went up and you immediately pulled it back down, the

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<v Speaker 3>AI logs that and says, oops, my map was wrong

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<v Speaker 3>for that movement. Let me update that in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>So it learns from the user's frustration.

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<v Speaker 3>In a sense. Yes, it's trying to dynamically realign the

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<v Speaker 3>the user doesn't have to stop and recalibrate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's one more piece to this puzzle that we

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<v Speaker 3>Feedback, the closed sleep problem.

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<v Speaker 2>My biological hand feels the glass, it knows when it's

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<v Speaker 2>made contact. A BCI controlled robot arm does not. So

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<v Speaker 2>the user is relying entirely on vision right, just watching the.

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<v Speaker 3>R move mostly Yes, and that's very unnatural and slow.

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<v Speaker 3>You're constantly overcorrecting because you don't have that sense of

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the frontier there? How? Do you send signals

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<v Speaker 3>This is truly bleeding edge research. The idea is to

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<v Speaker 2>You're not just reading from the brain, you're writing.

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<v Speaker 3>To it exactly. You could, for example, have sensors in

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<v Speaker 3>the fingertips of the robotic hand, and when it touches something,

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<v Speaker 3>you send a small electrical pulse into the part of

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<v Speaker 2>The person would actually feel a sensation of touch in

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<v Speaker 3>That's the goal. It's incredibly difficult, but if we can

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<v Speaker 3>close that loop and give the brain the feedback at craves,

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<v Speaker 3>the level of control could increase exponentially.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to move this from the abstract to the

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<v Speaker 2>real because this isn't just theory anymore. People are actually

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<v Speaker 3>No, The clinical history is much richer than I think

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<v Speaker 3>people realize, and to talk about that, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>Brain Gate, the brain Gate legacy. This is the big

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<v Speaker 2>academic consortium Brown University, Stanford, mass General that's been doing

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<v Speaker 3>They are the absolute pioneers, and for most of that

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine a very tiny, very scary looking hair brush. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a four x four millimeters square grid of silicon spikes,

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred tiny sharp.

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<v Speaker 2>Electrodes, a bed of nails for neurons.

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<v Speaker 3>A tiny bed of nails. Yes, it's small, about the

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<v Speaker 3>size of a baby aspirin. That those spikes were designed

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<v Speaker 3>to penetrate about a millimeter and a half into the cortex.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the device that gave us the coffee moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing the video of this years ago, but

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<v Speaker 2>going back to the notes, it just it hit me

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<v Speaker 2>so much harder this time. Tell us about that.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a landmark case published in twenty twelve with

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<v Speaker 3>a woman named Kathy Hutchinson. She had suffered a brainstem

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<v Speaker 3>stroke years earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was what they call quadriplegic.

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<v Speaker 3>And anarthrich, meaning she couldn't speak. She had been unable

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<v Speaker 3>to move her limbs or speak for nearly fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>They implanted the Utah ray in her motor cortex, and

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<v Speaker 3>they hooked it up to a large industrial look of

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<v Speaker 3>robotic arm. Not a prosthetic attached to her, but a

447
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<v Speaker 3>big robot mounted on a table next to her.

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<v Speaker 2>And the goal was so simple, so mundane. Just drink

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<v Speaker 2>the coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>A simple goal, but an immensely complex task. Reach out,

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<v Speaker 3>grasp the bottle, bring it to the mouth, drink, and

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<v Speaker 3>then place it back on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you watch the video, yeah, it's not smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a sci fi movie. It's not Luke Skywalker's

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<v Speaker 2>perfect robotic hand.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. It's a bit jerky. The arm

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<v Speaker 3>hovers for a second. You can see the intense concentration

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<v Speaker 3>on her face. The robot arm shakes a little as.

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<v Speaker 2>It approaches the bottle, but she gets it.

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<v Speaker 3>She gets it. The robot fingers close around the bottle,

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<v Speaker 3>she lifts it, she brings the straw to her lips,

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<v Speaker 3>and she takes a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>And the smile, the smile on her face.

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<v Speaker 3>The smile is everything. And this is the crucial insight.

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<v Speaker 3>From that moment, it wasn't about the grace of the robot.

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<v Speaker 3>It was about the restoration of agency the first time

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<v Speaker 3>in fifteen years, she had a thought, I want to drink,

468
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<v Speaker 3>and the world obeyed. The loop between intention and action

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<v Speaker 3>was closed again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the miracle of the mundane we talked about right

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<v Speaker 2>at the very beginning, restoring something we take for granted.

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<v Speaker 2>That is profound.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, and since that moment the technology has just accelerated.

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<v Speaker 3>We aren't just doing robot arms anymore. We are seeing

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<v Speaker 3>things like functional electrical stimulation or FEES.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, explain fees, because that's even wilder in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where they bypassed the robot entirely and wire the

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<v Speaker 2>BCI back into the person's own arm.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, this is incredible stuff. A participant, someone with

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<v Speaker 3>paralysis from a spinal cord injury, will have the BCI implanted.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they put a sleeve of electrodes on the outside

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<v Speaker 3>of their paralyzed arm, right over the muscles.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got a BCI reading the brain and electrode

484
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<v Speaker 2>sleeve ready to stimulate the muscles.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct The brain signals for say, open hand are decoded

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<v Speaker 3>by the computer, which then sends a precise patter of

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<v Speaker 3>electrical shocks to the muscles in the forearm and.

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<v Speaker 2>The muscles contract, the hand opens.

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<v Speaker 3>The hand opens. The person is moving their own paralyzed

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<v Speaker 3>limb with their own thoughts, using the computer as a

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<v Speaker 3>digital spinal cord.

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<v Speaker 2>That is mind blowing. It's reanimating the body.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a biological bypass. It's really incredible to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's another area of recent breakthroughs that I think

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<v Speaker 2>might be even more emotional, even more fundamental for people, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That speech speech BCIs are arguably the most transformative thing

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<v Speaker 3>happening in this field right now. To understand why, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to imagine locked in syndrome, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The mind is fully there, but you cannot move a

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<v Speaker 2>single muscle, you can't speak. In some cases, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even blink. You are a ghost in the machine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the most extreme version of that imprisonment we talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>solitary confinement in your own body.

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<v Speaker 2>So how are researchers tackling this.

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<v Speaker 3>Teams at places like UCSF and Stanford have been implanting

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<v Speaker 3>ECoG arrays, those surface grids over the speech centers of

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<v Speaker 3>the brain. The art that moves the hand, but the

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<v Speaker 3>part that coordinates the hundreds of muscles in the lips, tongue, jaw,

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<v Speaker 3>and larynx.

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<v Speaker 2>And they aren't just decoding letters right. This isn't like

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<v Speaker 2>a slow letter by letter spelling device.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's the old way. The new way is to

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<v Speaker 3>decode the intention to speak whole words. The AI learns

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<v Speaker 3>the neural patterns for entire words or even phonemes, the

515
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<v Speaker 3>building blocks of.

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<v Speaker 2>Speech, and it reconstructs them into audio.

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<v Speaker 3>It reconstructs them into text on a screen or audible

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<v Speaker 3>speech through a digital avatar. And the speed, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the key. We are now approaching conversational speeds.

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<v Speaker 2>The sources mentioned a qualitative change. That's the term they used,

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<v Speaker 2>going from slowly typing with your eyes, which is painstaking,

522
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<v Speaker 2>maybe ten words a minute on a good day, to

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<v Speaker 2>actually talking through a synthesizer at over sixty or seventy

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<v Speaker 2>words per minute.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the difference between being a patient who needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be cared for and being a person who can participate

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<v Speaker 3>in a conversation, who can express complex ideas, tell jokes, argue,

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<v Speaker 3>express love, all in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>Doors the self, Okay, we can't put it off any longer.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to address the big, shiny, celebrity backed elephant

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<v Speaker 2>in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Neuralink.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't have a conversation about BCIs in the twenty

534
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<v Speaker 2>twenties without talking about Elon Musk's company. But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to stick to our rules here. We aren't interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the hype or the tweets. We're interested in the technology.

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<v Speaker 2>From an engineering perspective. How is neuralink different from that

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<v Speaker 2>Utah array hairbrush we just talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>From an engineering perspective, it's a significant leap in a

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<v Speaker 3>few key areas. The first is the electrodes themselves. The

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<v Speaker 3>UTAH array is rigid. It's stiff silicon spikes going into

542
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<v Speaker 3>soft jello like brain tissue.

543
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<v Speaker 2>And that mismatch causes problems.

544
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<v Speaker 3>That mechanical mismatch causes damage and scarring over time. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like sticking a fork in tofu and then wiggling it around.

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<v Speaker 2>A gruesome image, but it makes the point.

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<v Speaker 3>Neuralink's primary innovation is what they call the threads. Instead

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<v Speaker 3>of rigid spikes, they use flexible hair like polyamide probes.

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<v Speaker 3>They're designed to be able to move and flex with

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<v Speaker 3>the brain as it pulsates, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Less DAMA image, which should mean better signal quality over

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<v Speaker 2>a longer period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the hypothesis. Yes. The second big difference is the

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<v Speaker 3>sheer number of channels. The UTAH array has one hundred electrodes.

555
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<v Speaker 3>Neuralink's first generation device has over one thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>An order of magnitude more more microphones in the choir.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, more microphones in the choir means you can potentially

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<v Speaker 3>get a much richer, higher fidelity signal, which in turn

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<v Speaker 3>allows for better decoding.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing that really stood out to me in

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<v Speaker 2>the technical breakdown wasn't just the threads. It was the robot.

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<v Speaker 2>They built a custom sewing machine robot for the surgery.

563
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<v Speaker 3>They had to a human surgeon can't insert these threads.

564
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<v Speaker 3>They're thinner than a human hair, and they're too flexible

565
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<v Speaker 3>to be manipulated with tweezers. You need a robot with

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<v Speaker 3>microscopic vision and micron level precision to weave them into

567
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<v Speaker 3>the cortex, specifically dodging blood vessels to prevent bleeding.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an industrial approach to neurosurgery.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've now started here trials. The sources all point

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<v Speaker 2>to the first patient in early twenty twenty four, a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Nolan Arbaugh who is quadriplegic, and the initial

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<v Speaker 2>results showed him controlling a cursor playing video games like

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<v Speaker 2>Civilization the sixth of his mind right, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's important to put this in context. Strictly speaking, the

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<v Speaker 3>scientific result a person with paralysis controlling a cursor is

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<v Speaker 3>something the brain Gate Consortium demonstrated fifteen, maybe twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>The result itself isn't the.

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<v Speaker 2>Novel part, So why is it a big deal? Why

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<v Speaker 2>did it get so much attention.

581
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Because of the packaging, the productization. The brain date device,

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<v Speaker 3>as incredible as it is, requires a massive metal pedestal

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<v Speaker 3>screwed into your head with thick wires coming out to

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<v Speaker 3>a literal rack of servers.

585
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<v Speaker 2>You're tethered. You can't leave the lab.

586
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.559
<v Speaker 3>You can't leave the lab. The Neuralink device is fully implantable.

587
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<v Speaker 3>It's a small disc that sits flush with the skull

588
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 3>invisible under the skin. It charges wirelessly. It transmits its

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<v Speaker 3>data wirelessly via bluetooth to a phone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the difference between a nineteen sixties main frame computer

591
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<v Speaker 2>that fills a room in an iPhone.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the perfect analogy. It's the shift from a

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<v Speaker 3>science experiment to the prototype of a scalable consumer.

594
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<v Speaker 2>Product, and that shift changes everything.

595
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<v Speaker 3>It changes the incentives. It brings massive private capital into

596
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<v Speaker 3>a field that has historically been funded by slow moving

597
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 3>government grants. It brings an intense focus on manufacturing and

598
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:26.000
<v Speaker 3>reliability and user experience. Academic labs prove what's possible. Companies

599
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.720
<v Speaker 3>like this are trying to figure out how to make

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<v Speaker 3>it a product. It accelerates the timeline for everyone.

601
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<v Speaker 2>But let's be real, and I think this is a

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<v Speaker 2>crucial point. Not everyone wants a chip in their brain.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love technology, but I'm not signing up

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<v Speaker 2>for elective brain surgery tomorrow.

605
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<v Speaker 3>And you absolutely shouldn't. And that's why the non invasive

606
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<v Speaker 3>field is still so huge and so important.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about the stadium analogy for EEG. Is there

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<v Speaker 2>any hope for the non invasive stuff getting better or

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<v Speaker 2>are we just kind of stuck in the parking lot forever.

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<v Speaker 3>There is hope, and there are some clever tricks people

611
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<v Speaker 3>use to get more out of EG. We touched on it,

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<v Speaker 3>but one of the most reliable is something called ssvep.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay that's steady state visually evoked potentials. Say that three

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<v Speaker 2>times fast.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a mouthful, but the concept is brilliant. It relies

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<v Speaker 3>on a known quirk of the brain's visual system. If

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<v Speaker 3>you look at a light that is flickering at a

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<v Speaker 3>specific frequency, let's say ten hurts, so ten times a second,

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<v Speaker 3>your visual cortex will start firing at exactly ten hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>It sinks up with the flicker.

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<v Speaker 3>It sinks up. It's a phenomenon called entrainment. So if

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<v Speaker 3>I build a user interface with a yes button on

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<v Speaker 3>a screen that's flickering at ten hurts and a no

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<v Speaker 3>button next to it flickering at a different frequency, say

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen herds, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have to decode my intention. You just have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the brain waves coming from my visual cortex

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<v Speaker 2>and see if they are humming at ten herts or

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen herts exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The EEG can pick that up clearly. It effectively turns

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<v Speaker 3>your gaze into a mouse click. It's very reliable, it

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<v Speaker 3>requires almost no training, and it works right through the skull.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the downside It sounds a little a to look

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<v Speaker 2>at flickering lights all day.

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<v Speaker 3>It can be very tiring on the eyes. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a perfect solution for.

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<v Speaker 2>All day use. So what's the next big thing and

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<v Speaker 2>non invasive, the one that doesn't feel like I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>a rave.

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<v Speaker 3>The big hope on the horizon is probably magneto in cepholography.

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<v Speaker 2>Or meg magnets. So we're moving from electricity to magnetism.

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<v Speaker 3>We are because every electrical current creates a corresponding magnetic field.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just basic physics. So the brain's electric currents create tiny,

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<v Speaker 3>tiny magnetic fields.

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<v Speaker 2>And the skull is a problem for those two.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, this is the key. The skull distorts electricity, but

647
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<v Speaker 3>it's basically transparent to magnetism. The magnetic fields pass through

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<v Speaker 3>the skull and scalp almost completely undistorted.

649
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<v Speaker 2>So less distortion equals a much clearer signal.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other side, much clearer you get better spatial

651
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<v Speaker 3>resolution than e g. The problem has always been the hardware.

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<v Speaker 3>To detect these magnetic fields, which are about a billion

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<v Speaker 3>times weaker than the Earth's magnetic field. You traditionally needed

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<v Speaker 3>a room size machine called a squid array. A squid

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<v Speaker 3>it stands for superconducting quantum interference device. It had to

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<v Speaker 3>be cooled to near absolute zero with liquid helium.

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<v Speaker 2>Not exactly a wearable headset.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you had to put your head inside this giant

659
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<v Speaker 3>stationary helmet. But the new technology and this is very exciting.

660
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<v Speaker 3>Is something called optically pumped magnetometers or opms.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's different about them.

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<v Speaker 3>They can work at room temperature, they use quantum sensing

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<v Speaker 3>with lasers and vapor cells, and they are getting small

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<v Speaker 3>enough and light enough to be built into a wearable helmet.

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<v Speaker 3>This could be the sweet spot. We've been looking for

666
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<v Speaker 3>much better resolution than EEG, but with no surgery required.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to pivot now. We've talked so much about

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<v Speaker 2>healing the sick, restoring speech, moving paralyzed limbs. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>medical necessity chapter of this story. But let's open the

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<v Speaker 2>human two point zero chapter, the augmentation chapter.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where it gets really philosophically tricky and wild.

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<v Speaker 2>The sources talk about industrial applications, controlling a hasmat robot

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<v Speaker 2>or a search and rest you drone. My first question is,

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<v Speaker 2>why would I use my brain for that instead of

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<v Speaker 2>a jaystick. Joysticks are pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Joysticks are great for two or three dimensions of control up, down, left, right,

677
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<v Speaker 3>But think about the limitations of a joystick. It's sequential.

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<v Speaker 3>If you are controlling a complex bomb disposal robot, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to toggle a switch to move the arm, then

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<v Speaker 3>coggle another switch to rotate the wrist, then another one

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<v Speaker 3>to close the gripper.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cereal, it's clunky.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very clunky, but your brain doesn't work like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Your brain thinks, grasp that object gently and it sends

685
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<v Speaker 3>a parallel signal containing position, rotation for speed, gripper posture.

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<v Speaker 2>All at once, the high dimensional signal we talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, if we can decode that rich high dimensional signal,

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<v Speaker 3>a worker could control a robot arm as intuitively and

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<v Speaker 3>fluidly as their own. It dramatically increases the control bandwidth

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<v Speaker 3>between human and machine.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the idea of the third arm, which

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like something out of a comic book.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fascinating area of neuroscience research. Can the brain's

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<v Speaker 3>motor map handle a third non biological limb If you

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<v Speaker 3>plug a robotic arm into the cortex, does the brain

696
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<v Speaker 3>say error, does not compute? Or does it say cool

697
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<v Speaker 3>new tool, let's learn how to use it?

698
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<v Speaker 2>And what's the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>The early research suggests the brain is surprisingly adaptable. The

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<v Speaker 3>motor map is plastic enough that it can learn to

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<v Speaker 3>control an extra effector an extra arm without losing control

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<v Speaker 3>of the biological ones.

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<v Speaker 2>So I could theoretically be typing with my two hands

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<v Speaker 2>and using my mind to hold a coffee cup with

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<v Speaker 2>my third robotic arm.

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<v Speaker 3>Theoretically someday, yes, But this is the moment where we

707
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<v Speaker 3>come crashing right into the ethical wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the dark side. Let's start with the most obvious one, privacy,

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you are reading my motor intentions from my brain,

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<v Speaker 2>what else are you reading.

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<v Speaker 3>The brain is not neatly compartmentalized. The motor cortex is

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<v Speaker 3>deeply interconnected with everything else, the prefrontal cortex, the limbic.

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<v Speaker 2>System, so the signals are all mixed together.

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<v Speaker 3>The signals contain more than just movement. They encode attention,

715
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<v Speaker 3>code cognitive effort, they encode frustration, They encode emotional states.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I'm using a BCI to control my computer

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<v Speaker 2>at my job in.

718
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<v Speaker 3>The future, your boss could theoretically know not just what

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<v Speaker 3>you are typing, but how hard you are concentrating. They

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<v Speaker 3>could know if you were bored. They could know if

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<v Speaker 3>you are getting drowsy, or if you are feeling angry

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<v Speaker 3>about an email you just read.

723
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<v Speaker 2>That is that's dystopian employee hashtag four twenty four, Your

724
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<v Speaker 2>engagement levels dropped by twelve percent at three zero pm,

725
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<v Speaker 2>please report to HR.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a concept that ethicists are calling data intimacy. We

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<v Speaker 3>have never had a technology that sits inside the processing

728
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<v Speaker 3>center of the self, reading the raw data of thought

729
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<v Speaker 3>and feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have no laws for this.

731
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<v Speaker 3>Who owns that data, the user, the company that made

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<v Speaker 3>the BCI, your employer, the government. We have no regulatory

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<v Speaker 3>framework for this. You're starting to see neuro rights movements

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<v Speaker 3>springing up now for this exact reason.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the other big ethical can of worms,

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<v Speaker 2>the inequality aspect.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, if these devices eventually move from restoration, which everyone

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<v Speaker 3>agrees is good, to enhancement. If a BCI allows you

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<v Speaker 3>to think faster, or learn a skill instantly, or interface

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<v Speaker 3>directly with an AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Who gets in the wealthy it's always the wealthy first.

742
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<v Speaker 3>It will be incredibly expensive, yes, And if the wealthy

743
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<v Speaker 3>are not just richer, but are now cognitively superior because

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<v Speaker 3>of their neural hardware, we aren't just talking about a

745
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<v Speaker 3>wealth gap anymore.

746
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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about a capability gap, a biological one.

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<v Speaker 3>All the people have called it a speciation event, the

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<v Speaker 3>enhanced versus the naturals. Wow, it fundamentally challenges the ideal

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<v Speaker 3>of a level playing field, the very fairness of the

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<v Speaker 3>human experience. And we're absolutely not ready for that conversation

751
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<v Speaker 3>as a society.

752
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<v Speaker 2>We really aren't, but we have to be because, as

753
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<v Speaker 2>you said earlier, the trajectory is set. This isn't a

754
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<v Speaker 2>what if anymore.

755
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 3>The trajectory is clear. The technology gets smaller and more powerful,

756
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<v Speaker 3>the decoding gets smarter, the surgery gets safer. We are

757
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<v Speaker 3>moving from the era of can we do this? To

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<v Speaker 3>the era of how do we live with this?

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<v Speaker 2>So let's try to wrap this up. We started with

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<v Speaker 2>a simple act, reaching for a glass of water, the

761
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<v Speaker 2>miracle of the mundane. And we've traveled through the broken

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<v Speaker 2>biological circuits, the silicon bridges being built to cross them,

763
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<v Speaker 2>and in this very strange, very exciting, and frankly very

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<v Speaker 2>scary future of human augmentation.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the thought that I think I want to

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<v Speaker 3>leave everyone with. For the entire history of life on

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<v Speaker 3>this planet, billions of years, there was only one way

768
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<v Speaker 3>for an organism to affect the world. Howso, you had

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<v Speaker 3>to move a muscle. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you couldn't move, you couldn't act, You couldn't change

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<v Speaker 2>your environment.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly every thought, every intention, every plan had to pass

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<v Speaker 3>through the physical bottleneck of the body. We are now,

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<v Speaker 3>for the very first time in history, breaking that fundamental rule.

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<v Speaker 3>We are creating a direct, unmediated link between the mind

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<v Speaker 3>and the physical world.

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<v Speaker 2>The evolution did not plan for this. This is not

778
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<v Speaker 2>in the manual.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is a new chapter. And so the final provocation,

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<v Speaker 3>the final question for you to think about is this.

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<v Speaker 3>As we merge more and more seamlessly with these machines,

782
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<v Speaker 3>as the latency drops to zero and the feedback loops

783
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 3>get richer and close, where does the user end and

784
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<v Speaker 3>the tool begin.

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<v Speaker 2>If the machine acts on my thought before I'm even

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<v Speaker 2>fully conscious of the decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you controlling it? Or has it just become an

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<v Speaker 3>extension of you? Is that third robotic arm you in

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<v Speaker 3>the same way your biological arm is you? What does

790
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<v Speaker 3>it mean to be human when your mind is no

791
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<v Speaker 3>longer confined to your body?

792
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<v Speaker 2>That is going to keep me up tonight?

793
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<v Speaker 3>It should? It's the question of our time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening to this exploration into the world of

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<v Speaker 2>brain computer interfaces. We'll catch you on the next one.
