WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:13.599 All right, welcome everybody. I'm here with a steamed guest, 2 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:16.960 Ben Swan. I first heard about Ben Swan around twenty ten, 3 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:20.440 twenty eleven, and he was doing some pretty groundbreaking stuff 4 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.399 back then. I remember being in Cincinnati. I want to say, 5 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.039 you were maybe a Fox reporter in Cincinnati for a time. 6 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.719 I remember that, and I remember I think you were 7 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:32.439 on Alex a few times back in the day, and 8 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:35.280 you covered a lot of information way ahead of most people. 9 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:39.320 For example, my first time hearing about Epstein and that 10 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:41.880 operation was I think from you and some of the 11 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.200 reports you did back in the day. 12 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.679 So maybe we could start with that, because I've. 13 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.320 Put a lot of time into Epstein especially, and you've 14 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:51.759 done some debates recently. I want to talk about the 15 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:53.679 Middle East too and move into some of that as well. 16 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.399 But Ben, thank you for coming on. What how did 17 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:59.560 you get on this on the topic of Epstein and 18 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:04.640 make so many sort of groundbreaking journalistic discoveries there. 19 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:07.879 Yeah, Jay, thanks for having me. Man. I'm a big 20 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:08.599 fan of what you do. 21 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:13.439 So Epstein was interesting because I didn't know much about him, 22 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:18.799 and it round, you know, twenty thirteen, really started learning 23 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:21.280 more about who he was because of the plea deal 24 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.359 that he had and information that was starting to come 25 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:28.359 out about the sweetheart deal that he got, right, and 26 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:32.319 that sweetheart deal obviously included things like, you know, when 27 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:35.599 he was serving his I think eighteen months is all 28 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.719 he got for his soliciting a minor for sex, which 29 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:39.959 is crazy. 30 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.719 But anyways, when he was. 31 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:45.280 Doing that, apparently he had a deal where he was 32 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:48.120 on work release, which meant that he would only sleep 33 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.640 in the prison and he would go home every day 34 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:53.599 because he worked from home, so he spent the whole 35 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.159 day at his house. Then he would go back to 36 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.519 the prison and he would have a security guard, his 37 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.000 own private security go with him him and then he 38 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:02.519 would sleep there and then he'd get off the next 39 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:04.560 day and he'd go back for work to his house. 40 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:07.159 And that was eighteen months. And when I first heard 41 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.360 about that, I was like, who is this guy? And 42 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.319 why does he command so much power? And why does 43 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.280 he command the ability to gain the system? Maybe lots 44 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.639 of people do, but in this case, it was kind 45 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.000 of shocking, and so started looking into who he was 46 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:21.479 and started finding out so many. 47 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:22.120 Very weird things. 48 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:23.840 As we now know much more about it, right, the 49 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.240 public's much more aware of, but things like the fact 50 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.680 that you know, this guy had money that came out 51 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.039 of nowhere. No one knows how he got rich. At 52 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:34.000 least at the time, we didn't know. He was connected 53 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.319 to incredibly powerful people. He had these properties all over 54 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:40.960 the world, he was flying around with presidents. I remember 55 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.120 at the time it was starting to leak because it 56 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:46.000 was considered a good thing, not a bad thing, that 57 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.719 Bill Clinton was a close personal friend, and Bill Clinton 58 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:53.199 would write on his Lolita Express plane constantly, and so 59 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.759 that was kind of what I first started learning about 60 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:57.719 him and trying to figure out, like, who was this guy? 61 00:02:57.759 --> 00:02:59.400 And I had no idea that he was running any 62 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:03.080 kind of pedophile ring, you know, at the time, And 63 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:04.599 so you started to learn more about it, and what 64 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:08.120 you found was that whoever this person was, he had 65 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.000 too much access and too much power, connected too powerful 66 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.840 people to just be a financier. And for me, that's 67 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:17.639 kind of where a lot of that started. And then yeah, 68 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:19.759 over the years, I was way ahead of a lot 69 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:24.240 of people on Epstein, and you know, have continued to 70 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.240 be And now, of course we did the Pizzagate thing, 71 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:27.599 which was totally unrelated. 72 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:29.520 Didn't think that had any connection at. 73 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:31.520 All, and now sitting here in twenty twenty six, we 74 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.800 see how those things are actually intricately connected. 75 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.840 Let me ask you about the notion of blackmail. This 76 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.319 has become a very contentious topic. A lot of people 77 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.800 think that this is probably not what he was mainly 78 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:45.919 up to, that it was this other operation. I think 79 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.919 it seems to me that he was a kind of consultant, 80 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:51.360 a kind of criminal operative expert who was a networker, 81 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:53.759 a fixer, and he seems to be involved in all 82 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.520 kinds of things from economic scams to stock trading, to 83 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:02.360 venture capital funding, to also a high level blackmail of 84 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.960 people in tact, people in government, people in all sectors. 85 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.800 And it looks to me like clearly he was at 86 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.759 least working with multiple intelligence agencies, particularly also obviously the 87 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:15.599 Israeli intelligence services. 88 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:16.560 So do you agree. 89 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:20.600 Do you think that there's a significant proof or at 90 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:25.120 least very clear strong evidence is that he was an 91 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.360 intelligence operative and a blackmailer. 92 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:28.680 Absolutely? 93 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.079 Yeah, I don't think there's I think anyone who looks 94 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:34.639 at this story steps back from it and looks at 95 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:35.959 it right. So one of the problems I think we 96 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.600 have with Epstein right now, and I've said this for 97 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:40.720 a long time about a lot of different issues, right, 98 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.879 is the notion of disinformation. So one of the ways 99 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.519 that disinformation does exist, now it never exists in the 100 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:48.600 way that we're told it exists, right, but in the 101 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:51.920 way that it truly exists is you get government actors 102 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.079 or you get intelligence agencies. And what they do is 103 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:57.160 they flood the Internet, or they flood chat rooms with 104 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.720 I say, chatrooms like those really exist anymore, but they 105 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:01.360 did a long time, especially. 106 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.600 Your Aol instant messenger. 107 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.519 Exactly, you know four chan in some of those places. 108 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.560 But what they would do is they would flood bad. 109 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:12.800 Information into there. 110 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.519 And the purpose of that, the goal of that is 111 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.000 if you put enough bad information in, I mean really 112 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:21.040 crazy stuff, you taint the whole pool. 113 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.160 And so no one knows what's real and what's not real. 114 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:24.879 You don't know which threads to pool, you don't know 115 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:26.720 which which directions to go in. 116 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.720 And so a lot of that has happened over the 117 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:31.319 years with a lot of stories. We've got to have 118 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:32.120 a whole list of them. 119 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.920 But Epstein is one of those stories, and particularly right now. 120 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.720 So what's interesting about Epstein that makes him somewhat unique 121 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.920 is that wasn't happening with him. For a long time, 122 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.120 there wasn't a lot of bad information about Epstein. Now 123 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.600 that the Epstein files have been released, a portion of 124 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.519 them really only you know, about two percent of the 125 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:55.240 data associated with the Epstein files has been released. That's 126 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:57.879 pretty significant. Half the files, but two percent of the data, 127 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.279 which means the majority of what's not released is video. 128 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.759 I think that's pretty significant. But the reality is is 129 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.040 that you have to step back from it and say, so, 130 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:08.879 what do we know? You know, as a journalist, one 131 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.079 thing I tell people all the time it is not 132 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.279 my job to know why things happen. It is my 133 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:18.199 job to figure out what is happening. And too many 134 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.360 journalists today or influencers today, I think, spend their time 135 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.399 talking about the why. I can't tell you the why, 136 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:26.759 and it's not what I'm supposed to be doing because 137 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.160 why forces me to a conclusion. But instead I can 138 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.399 tell you what, and if we follow the what, you 139 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.279 usually find the right answer. At least that's been my experience. 140 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.319 And so in the case of Epstein, what do we know? 141 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:43.759 We know that Epstein had properties in multiple locations. We 142 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:48.160 know from well over a decade of reporting that Epstein 143 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:53.920 had every single property rigged with cameras, surveillance equipment, and 144 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.839 in every property he had rooms that were set up 145 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.959 that were filled with TV monitors and recording equipment, recording 146 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:05.480 onto VHS tapes at the time. You know, today twenty 147 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.680 twenty six, people think about recording the surveillance. Everyone's recording 148 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.319 all the time, everyone's surveillan all the time, but it's 149 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.480 all going into a cloud, it's all being stored twenty 150 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:20.160 years ago, thirty years ago. If you're trying to record 151 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.199 people that there's only one way to do it. You've 152 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:26.040 got to record that onto a VHS or a beta tape, right, 153 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.040 and you have a physical, hard copy of whatever. 154 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.040 This thing is. It's not digital. 155 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.240 So Epstein had these these rooms set up, and again 156 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.639 this is all pre flat screen TV, so he had 157 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:41.000 monitors set up in these things and big TVs set up, right, 158 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:44.399 big tube televisions set up inside of his properties, and 159 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.480 he's recording onto these. So we know that, we know 160 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.000 that every single one of his properties had cameras in 161 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:54.959 every single bedroom, which again go back thirty years that's unusual, 162 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.040 that's not so unusual today, But thirty years ago, twenty 163 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.480 years ago, even ten years ago, it's pretty unusual to 164 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.160 have a house rigged with cameras and recording equipment. We 165 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:10.680 also know that even as recently as late last year 166 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:17.279 early this year, that Epstein has multiple storage units around 167 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:21.879 the country where he is hiding content. My guess would 168 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.480 be if we were able to access those and find them, 169 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.199 they would be full of VHS takes, They'd be full 170 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:34.080 of recordings, right, because what does a billionaire financier do 171 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.320 with lots of storage units. 172 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:37.559 Spread out around the country. 173 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.879 If you're keeping stuff that you want to access readily 174 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:45.159 and easily, or that you were not trying to hide 175 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:46.519 from people who might. 176 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.559 Be curious as to where it is, you put it 177 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:49.279 close to home. 178 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:54.320 You know, go out, Ben, He's just storing his Playboy magazines. 179 00:08:54.480 --> 00:09:00.360 That's what are you talking about. He's just got a stash, right, right. 180 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.759 And so you have this, you have these storage units. 181 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.360 So again, what do we know. We know that this 182 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:11.879 is a man who is gathering lots of video surveillance 183 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:15.039 and he's keeping that surveillance somewhere because again it's not 184 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:19.639 a digital archive, it's a physical, physical tape archive someplace. 185 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:21.879 We also know, by the way, one more No, we 186 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:28.120 also know that when Epstein's New York Town home was rated, 187 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.639 we know that the FBI carried out boxes of surveillance 188 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:39.320 tapes and equipment. That's undisputable, right, That's all in the record. 189 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:43.440 Where is why we saw the photos of them carrying 190 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.519 it all out and putting it into it, you know, 191 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:49.840 black vehicles and SUVs, and then we never that's disappeared. 192 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:51.879 We don't know about that now, So that doesn't exist. 193 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:54.440 Where is it? So? 194 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.759 So I think when we talk about it that way again, 195 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.799 Jeffrey Epstein was not simply a guy with a taste 196 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.159 for slightly underaged girls. 197 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.200 That's just not who he is. He was a guy who. 198 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.320 The reason he was so prolific is because it was 199 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:15.519 his job. It was his job to entrap people and 200 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:17.679 to be a honey trap, just like it was his 201 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.120 father in law. Father in law, not exactly, I never 202 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:24.399 married to Glade, but his girlfriend's father, Robert Maxwell, who 203 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:25.759 did the same thing for decades. 204 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:27.039 Yeah. 205 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.919 People always forget that the prior model, the template was 206 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.399 Robert Maxwell. And if you read Whitney Webb's books, she 207 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:36.799 argues that was a template that was kind of set 208 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.519 up and funded via the Rothschilds in Britain to give 209 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:42.879 Robert Maxwell kind of a cutout. They gave him this 210 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:45.679 sort of publishing empire, They made him a corporate sort 211 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:49.840 of takeover corporate vulture, takeover artists, and then a lot 212 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.399 of that I think was transferred over to what just 213 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.240 Laine and Jeffrey were supposed to be running. That's the model, 214 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.639 and that makes sense too with the ties that Maxwell had, 215 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.600 not just with British intelligence and and with Western intelligence, 216 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:08.399 also with Israelis and trying to give information to the Soviets. 217 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:10.919 So Maxwell famously played both sides, or tried to play 218 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:12.679 both sides and the Cold War, most like arm and 219 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.440 Hammer did and many other people, and some people who 220 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.120 can argue that Lord Rothshaw himself tried to play both sides. 221 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:21.279 There's significant evidence to suggest that what that means is 222 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:26.279 that there's an international click that is apparently above nation 223 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.399 state laws, that will play both sides of multiple conflicts. 224 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.519 And before we get into the Middle East and Hamas, 225 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.559 I thought your recent reporting on Hamas was excellent, so 226 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:37.240 I want to talk. 227 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:37.879 A little bit about that. 228 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.600 But because that ties into sort of funding, you know, 229 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:44.279 controlled opposition and opposite sides, you know, we've heard since 230 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:49.039 Biden era that there that there are these white, white 231 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:53.720 right wing extremists, terrorists everywhere. Lo and behold, turns out 232 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.960 what many of us suspected, we have the SBLC and 233 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.919 presumably other groups as well, still funding controlled opposition, fake 234 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.840 cutout groups, most notably Charlottesville. 235 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:08.159 Were you surprised when that came out? Not at all? 236 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:09.919 Oh, my gosh, not at all. Listen. 237 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.639 The argument that I have made about it is the 238 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.440 SPLC doing this. Not only is it not surprising, it's 239 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:22.799 surprising that it took this long for anyone to recognize 240 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:25.799 what they're doing. Because the truth is, Jane, you and 241 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:29.360 I both know this. The SPLC didn't create this playbook. 242 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.279 This is an FBI playbook has been doing this for 243 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.720 decades since just since ninety eleven, just since ninety eleven, 244 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.440 the majority of terrorism plots that the FBI has broken up, 245 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:47.480 and it all really was exemplified under the late Robert Muller. 246 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.879 All those plots were plots that they would bring in informants. 247 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:53.840 They pay them one hundred thousand dollars a year to 248 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.120 go find a place where someone was plotting the you know, 249 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.000 terrorist attack. They go to a group. They sit down 250 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:00.440 out and they. 251 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.080 Say, hey, hey, you guys want to blow up a bridge. 252 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.919 And I don't know, I don't know, don't come on, 253 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:05.440 come on, well we don't even have a bump. I'll 254 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.159 get the bomb. Oh okay, well we don't have any money, 255 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.679 I'll get the money. Just everybody meet here on this 256 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.519 day at this time. Well, I don't know, I don't know. 257 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.440 And they pester and pester, and they finally get like 258 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.240 three guys to show up, five guys to show up, 259 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.000 six people to show up at this bridge. 260 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:18.600 I'll bring the money, I'll bring the bombs. 261 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.759 They show up, the FBI bust them and says, look 262 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:23.759 what we did, folks, we stopped another terrorist attack. 263 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:27.279 He didn't stop anything, right, what did you stop? 264 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.759 There's no terrorist attack here except the terrorist attack that 265 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:31.720 was created. 266 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.120 In the mind of the informant and in the mind 267 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:33.759 of the FBI. 268 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.919 And there is so much evidence at trials where these 269 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.240 people have gone the trial where judges have called out 270 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.120 the FBI on the record saying you're the ones who 271 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.960 created the crime, You're the ones who thought up the crime, 272 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:45.799 you're the ones who. 273 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.240 Plotted and financed the crime. 274 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:51.360 But because somebody says yes, under the way that the 275 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:55.120 terrorism laws are written. Nope, you're responsible. And so the 276 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.519 SBLC is just following the FBI playbook of how do 277 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:02.919 we find those extremists who were out there, those white nationalists, 278 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:05.639 and natzis We're going to pay people to pretend to 279 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.759 be them, to stoke up people, to prove that they exist. 280 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:12.799 It's it's craziness, but it's all government funded craziness. 281 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.360 Yeah, this was you know, this goes back to like 282 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.639 cointelpro and you know the back in the sixties and 283 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.919 seventies when they wanted to frame a lot of the 284 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:23.360 radical groups. 285 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:24.879 And I'm not at all supporter of. 286 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.840 The Black Panthers, but I remember reading about how the 287 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.039 FBI is set up an informant named Richard Aoki, and 288 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.080 what he did was he went to the Black Panther 289 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:38.799 marches and pretended to be a huge supporter, which is funny. 290 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.879 Because he's an Asian dude. But Asian dude and. 291 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:42.720 The Black Panthers is fun that maybe maybe it'll be 292 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.039 a little suspicious if you're a Black Panther of an 293 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.200 Asian But what he would do is he would wear 294 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.639 a bunch of machine guns and he was he was like, hey, 295 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.679 we need to you know, we got a march with 296 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.600 machine guns. And then they started marching with guns and 297 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.759 that destroyed the image of the Black Panthers in the 298 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:02.480 pre because everybody saw them as radicals, which I think 299 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.679 technically they kind of were. But regardless, that playbook is 300 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.039 copied and pasted and they did the exact same thing. 301 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:09.360 By the way, in my opinion, I don't know what 302 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.799 you think about OKAC, but if you look at the 303 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.279 history of Timothy McVeigh in his relationship to Eloheim City, 304 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:19.159 which was also a very closely tied to the SBLC 305 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:23.039 and fed operation there honey trap that led to you know, 306 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.919 the first big pre nine to eleven event with OKC. 307 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.840 And you mentioned nine to eleven. You have same situation 308 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.440 with Immaud Salaam in nineteen ninety three where he had 309 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.159 recorded one of the FBI informant. He was a form 310 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.279 and informant. He would be recorded his handlers trying to 311 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.000 get them to you know, engage in the bombing. And 312 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.159 so if I recall, he got off because he had 313 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.919 recorded that. Yeah, so this is a pattern, as you said, 314 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.639 and I want to take that to you know, Charlottesville. 315 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:55.440 If you remember this was also you know, this is 316 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:59.240 basically what Biden ran on, right, was he stood there 317 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.399 in that big just in nineteen eighty four. See, you know, 318 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.440 was talking about the white supremacist and we can't let 319 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:10.559 Charlottesville happen again. Could you imagine an entire campaign running 320 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:12.720 on an absolutely fraudilent event. 321 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:14.559 Oh yes, I. 322 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:19.519 Can absolutely imagine it. I think we're all witnessing it constantly. Right, 323 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.639 it's so many fraudulent events. I want to say something though, 324 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:24.960 about the Black Panther thing. You're right to bring that up, 325 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.559 and I'm so glad you did for your viewers and 326 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:32.240 listeners who don't know the history of the Black Panthers. 327 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:33.159 And I agree with you. 328 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.840 I think it's tough to say you're supportive of the 329 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:37.559 Black Panthers, but if you go back and study what 330 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:39.840 the original Black Panther movement was, it was not a 331 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:45.039 radical movement at all. It was about protecting the women, 332 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.159 specifically within their communities and the families in their communities. 333 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.399 There were never weapons as a part of that. There 334 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:52.759 was never violence as the original part of the Black 335 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.679 Panther kind of a movement. And yes it was FBI 336 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:00.879 informants who came in and they radicalize the whole thing. 337 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.159 They changed the. 338 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:06.920 Of weapons. As you said, there was never a weapon 339 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:07.400 until this. 340 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.759 Guy shows up with one. And what's upsetting about that 341 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.759 to me is that I think there are so many 342 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:19.839 grassroots movements, probably far more than we even know, that 343 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:24.799 have been destroyed and ruined because some government hack decides 344 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.160 that they don't like the way this thing's moving, or 345 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.759 they want to disrupt this thing because there's this huge 346 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:31.720 fear that the people are going to organize and the 347 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:33.880 people are going to have power behind them, and so 348 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.519 they have to go in there and infect and cause problems. 349 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:42.279 And yes, absolutely, the Charlottesville is a great example of it. 350 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.319 There was an entire campaign run on it. There was 351 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.599 also an entire campaign run on not run, but it 352 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.279 became a huge part of the first part of Biden's 353 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:57.119 campaign or term excuse me was J six Right, which 354 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:02.319 was also just a bunch of bs. The vast majority 355 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.119 of the people who committed violence that day were undercover 356 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.039 Capitol police and FBI, and over two hundred and forty 357 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.440 FBI agents were in the crowd when originally we were 358 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.680 told there were none, none at all. Then it turns out, 359 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.640 oh okay, well, not none. Two hundred and forty of 360 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:21.920 them are in there right. And one of the things 361 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.119 we were able to document a few years ago is 362 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.920 we were able to find at least four people in 363 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.319 that crowd who were protesters, who were armed, who actually. 364 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:31.200 Had guns on them. 365 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:34.440 Every single one of them was an undercover We were 366 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:36.920 able to prove that, every single one of them. So 367 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.160 the only people who brought guns, the only people who 368 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:45.240 brought weapons, were undercover agents. And then of course those 369 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.640 are the agents. That's not counting informants. And there are 370 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:54.319 stories reports of entire buses of men who were brought 371 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.079 in the morning of seven am in the morning, six 372 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.319 am in the morning, that came in on these buses. 373 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.720 They got off some money, addressed this crowd of men 374 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.279 as if they were informants or agents or whatever going 375 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:06.319 to be this persion of the crowd. 376 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.000 But they address them and they go off into the crowd. 377 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:10.319 We have no idea how. 378 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:15.319 Many undercover informants there were as a part of that 379 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.480 crowd as well, And so there's so much wrong with 380 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:20.519 the story. But then it became this whole never it's 381 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.640 still happening there. I just saw on X this morning, 382 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:28.279 some hack from MSNBC, you know, talking about how it's 383 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.119 so important that we remember January sixth and the radical 384 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.519 people who were there. You want to remember the radicals 385 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.119 who were there in January sixth, Remember the FBI. 386 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.720 Yeah, I was going to say, it's the establishment itself, 387 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:43.200 that's the radicals, and they were calling it Remember at 388 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:45.079 New Pearl Harbor, at New nine to eleven, which is 389 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.759 absolutely preposterous. But yeah, that's an even better example, perhaps 390 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.599 than Charlottesville, because you know, the media went ten times 391 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.200 crazier with JA six than they did even with Charlottesville. 392 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:58.000 And again, this is a repeat pattern of so many examples, 393 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:01.079 so many instances. I don't want to beat this into 394 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.880 the ground, but you know, many of the radical Muslims, 395 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:06.839 as you said, you know, Trevor Aronson has a whole 396 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.319 book about the terror factory that this has been essentially 397 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.359 propped up. And the other thing too, is that a 398 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:16.039 lot of the groups that they typically pinpoint as the 399 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:20.160 you know, funders and the trainers of radical Muslims, for example, 400 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:23.079 they tend to be also groups that the CIA has 401 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.960