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And again, thank you so much for your support. Last hour,
I ran the interview that I recorded yesterday afternoon after
the program with Raymond Ibrahim talking about the persecution of
Christians globally, but then also about sort of the tactics
that we saw on October seventh, two years ago when
Hamas invaded Israel and slaughtered twelve hundred people, and the
callbacks and the strategy, the tactics, the language. Right, it's
all connected to the history of Islam, which is a
colonizing ideology.
Speaker 1: And take don't take my word for it.
Speaker 2: Just look at the Middle East, look at all of Christendom,
what used to be Christendom. It has been completely conquered,
well seventy percent of the Christian lands conquered and no
more Christians.
Speaker 1: Right, they don't live there. I'm not allowed to live
there anymore.
Speaker 2: They flee, or they convert, or they pay the tax,
or they're killed. So those are basically your options and
have been for the last, you know, fourteen centuries. I
got this message from Linda on the text line Pete.
I also recently discovered Raymond Ibrahim and I watched several
of his videos as a senior lady. He is the
kind of guy that I want a bear hug from.
Is when you see him like he is jacked, like
he has his biceps are like the size of my
Torso he is a big dude. He is great, and
also studied under Victor Davis Hanson.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think a couple of his books he
wrote with Victor Davis Hanson, or a foreword by or
something like that.
Speaker 1: He met.
Speaker 2: Hanson's name is on a couple of the book covers
in some of those cases. So yeah, he's been doing
this for you know, almost thirty years now, doing this
research and this is his area of focus. Sure, let's
take Tom. Hello, Tom, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3: Stay, Pete, how's it going? Hey, Hey, I might have missed.
Speaker 4: Some of it.
Speaker 3: I heard a little talking about the Kuran. I just
want to know if you guys talked about there's some
pretty extreme things in the Taumuted. Well, so did you
guys discuss any of that?
Speaker 2: Well, he is his area of focus, all of his
scholarship has been regarding the essentially the war between Islam
and the West. Okay, yeah, so, but I'm so, why
why would that be of interest when talking about the
history and the current persecution of Christians?
Speaker 1: Well, why would that prompt a question about the Talmud?
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's I think if you cherry pick the Bible,
the Talmid, the Quran, you can find some pretty uh
horrific things in all of them. And you know you
said that if he wore across and you walked into
a mosque, they're offended by it. Well, Jews are also
offended by it. You would be asked to remove across
uh from uh.
Speaker 2: If he didn't, he was nobody said that. That was
not an example that he mentioned. He said, you can't
show across. He said, you can't build a church, you
can't repair a church. He said, you can't sing your
gospel songs or worship songs. You can't ring your bells.
You see a difference there between what you what what
I don't know where you got that store with that
and that example from he didn't say that. And there's
also a difference between you know, being offended. If you
were to like, you know, show up as a Christian
and show up in a in a synagogue, you know,
wearing you know, across but like if you were to
do that, do you think that they would behead you?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't say that, And I'm not sure that
would that would happen in any mosque either.
Speaker 1: But really you don't think that would happen in any mosque.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying any moss.
Speaker 1: You just did say any mosque. That's why I asked.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you do agree there would be some mosques,
probably on the face of the earth where if you
were to walk in wearing the yamaga or something, you
would probably be beheaded.
Speaker 3: Okay, and not too long ago?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, hang on, hang on, Tom, Tom, hang on,
hang on. I just want I'm seeking clarity in your argument.
Do you accept that that that there are mosques there
are places where that would in fact occur.
Speaker 3: In probably some backwoods Middle Eastern country, very rare that
that may occur.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how do you do you walk in If.
Speaker 3: You're a Christian and you walk into a synagogue with
the cross on, they are offended by it as well.
I'm not talking about murder, but they are the tall Miidd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get offended.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, Yeah, I think christ Yeah, I think people
would be offended regardless.
Speaker 1: So what's the point of that.
Speaker 3: Well, the point is I feel like you're you're you're
cherry picking this Muslim thing.
Speaker 1: What Muslim thing?
Speaker 3: All of your conversations today. Again, I understand that's today's topic.
But if you go to the tallmid they think our
Jesus Christ is burning an extrement and there's many other
bad things in the Tallamut. So we can we can
pick all three religions and we can find extremist things
that are not good.
Speaker 1: Do you okay?
Speaker 2: So what you're so, what you're saying is that because
there are objectionable texts or passages in all of these
different religions, therefore we are to what ignore fourteen hundred
years of warfare from Muslim colonizers versus what because because
I'm unaware of the Jews doing anything similar to that
for fourteen hundred years.
Speaker 1: Maybe I missed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you have.
Speaker 2: Which okay, so fourteen hundred years of Jews colonizing lands.
Speaker 3: Did you mention the Israelis that bombed the Christian Church because.
Speaker 1: There was a no is that colonizing?
Speaker 4: Is? That?
Speaker 1: Is that colonizing all of the Christian lands?
Speaker 3: I don't know what bombed I do, it's not talk about.
Speaker 2: It's no, yeah, because it was an accident in war,
and that does happen.
Speaker 3: All of their all of their things or accidents.
Speaker 2: So Tom, this is why I asked the question about
why the why a discussion about the history of Christian
persecution and the current data, the current data that which
actually you said you did, and listen to the entire interview.
Speaker 1: The first half of it.
Speaker 2: We talked about mainly Africa and Nigeria specifically where Christian
is murdered about every two hours. So that's what's happening
right now today. But I do have an interest I'm
kind of curious as to why that kind of a
discussion now prompts you to want me to talk about the.
Speaker 3: Jews because you're cherry picking.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know what that word means. I
don't think you know what the word means.
Speaker 2: There's no because cherry picking would be saying I'm going
to take this one example and I'm going to make
that like for example here, I'll use a good example
of the cherry picking. Your example of the Christian Church
being hit. That's cherry picking. See what I and Raymond
Ibrahim were doing was giving you the macro level all
of the data Global Data reports on persecution of Christian
and zooming out. So that's actually not cherry picking at all,
it's the reverse.
Speaker 3: Well, look right here today, there's sixty seven thousand dozens
that have been killed. It's a genocide, and we don't
seem to talk about much of that on WBT.
Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you I've talked a lot about I've
talked a lot about Israel since over the last two
years and the war in Gaza. I thought I've made
myself pretty clear on my views on what's going on there.
First off, I reject the idea that it is the
charge that it is in fact a genocide. I've heard
the arguments. I've been listening to debates about it for
two years, and I don't agree with you.
Speaker 1: Number one.
Speaker 2: Number two if you don't want to see your homeland
decimated by a superior military force, my recommendation is to
not go in and murder and rape their people.
Speaker 1: That's my recommendation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, all right. I mean that's WBT.
Speaker 1: Tom.
Speaker 2: I'm just one host. You are free to listen to
other hosts that may have more nuanced or different positions.
That's totally fine, but that's.
Speaker 1: My view on it.
Speaker 2: You're free to make a case like I've brought you
on here. You're free to make a case on WBT,
this bastion of freeze.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's the Jews, Thank you, Tom.
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feel like I owe maybe a broader context for a caller. Tom,
who you know, doesn't understand why I talk about this topic.
It's because I do believe sincerely, and I'm not just
saying this in order to, you know, stir a pod
or get people to call or whatever. I've never done
my show that way. If I want people to call,
I will say here's the phone number taking your calls.
I'm asking you a question, what's your answer, what do
you think about this? Or whatever. Usually I give the
phone number, and if you listen to my show, you
will hear that. I build my shows as if I
never take a call at all. I don't need to
take calls. I like to take some phone calls, especially
if they add stuff to the program. If people disagree
with me, I want those calls, but I don't do
things to get people to call me, like I don't
take positions that I don't believe are untrue. So I
preface that to say this, which is, I do believe
we are in a battle for Western civilization, and I
don't believe it's new. I believe it's it's constant. I
also believe there is an overlay of good versus evil
and that manifests itself in all sorts of different ways.
I also believe that that is a battle that has
existed from the beginning. So those are my cards. I
put them on the table so everybody understands. Like, so
when I see these things that are threatening Western civilization,
which yes is Judeo Christian, and I look at what's happening,
particularly in the UK, that's been a bit of an
eye opener for me. I feel like we are approaching
a critical mass point in time. So I have a
message here on the text line. This is not the
first time you had a show about the danger that
Islam posed on the world. So what's your game plan
to stop it? I don't have a game plan, anonymous
person from South Carolina. I don't have a game plan.
All I'm trying to do is raise awareness to let
people hear this stuff, because I had not heard of
the persecution of Christians being as widespread as it obviously
is according to the data that's concerning no I think so,
so I figured, you know what, I'm going to ask
this guy to come on and talk about these things.
He's obviously done the research. He speaks Arabic, he's read
the original source material. By the way, he made a
reference in Raymond Ibrahim. He made a reference in one
of his comments there about if you can get the
what do he say, accurate translations?
Speaker 1: I think is what he said, And.
Speaker 2: I've seen him talk about this in another interview that
he did, where the Quran is being translated differently to
English speaking audiences in the West than the original Arabic.
The original stuff is different and it gets kind of
watered down, it gets repackaged for a Western audience. And
this isn't like, oh, there's a different interpretation for this
word or something that's not what's happening.
Speaker 1: Over in the UK.
Speaker 2: The British prison system is apparently about half Muslim now,
and that's where they spend basically all day recruiting into Islam.
And it's an oppress or oppressed mentality. Does that sound
familiar to me? It seems pretty similar that you have
these these common threads through a Marxist ideology and an
Islamist ideology, that you're the oppressed. You can then do
whatever it takes to be to oust the oppressor by
any means necessary. We keep hearing the Palestinian supporters and
Hamas Holese say, right, anything becomes permissive, permitted. Rather, let
me jump over and get Richard on real quick. Hello Richard,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 3: How you doing all right?
Speaker 4: I mean, we really need to follow the bouncing ball here.
You see what's going on in Europe, you see what's
going on in Africa and Nigeria. They're killing Christians left
and right. I don't understand why people just can't see.
It's like the Red Coats are coming. They're telling you
it's a world tell of fate. What part of that
don't people understand? They're using our laws and our freedom
to conquer us in Europe, we are selling drugs, they're
raping women.
Speaker 2: They've taken over the labor Party. They've basically taken over
the labor Party in the UK. It's and that's that
was why the quote grooming gangs, the rape gangs didn't
get the coverage and didn't get the prosecutions and stuff
for so long.
Speaker 4: And we have and we have certain people in Congress
and in the Senate. We got this guy, man Danny
Ye New York followed the Bouncing Book. There's a pattern
here worldwide that people need to follow, and we need
There's no more soft Christianity. You have to be really
rooted in your faith because you're going to be challenged
and you may be conquered. So look at your wife
and look at your children.
Speaker 2: Men, stand up, Richard, I gotta leave it there.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call.
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Speaker 2: Here's a message from John who says, great interview in
the first hour with Raymond Ibraheim. Now let's do Jabrill.
Phone lines are always open, always open. And then I
had a message from Russ who wasn't sure if this
is good for Ara, but I think it was great
interview Ibrahim. I once got to meet and spend time
with a Christian convert from Pakistan, sorry Pakistan. He said
Islam was the original communism. He says it began as
a humble for the people movement, and once it amassed
enough followers, it pivoted to a conquering steal all the
resources for its leaders, suppress its own rank and file,
destroy any dissenter's movement.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think if you just if you look at
the historical trend line, you know at the beginning, when
Muhammad was was out there preaching and got into all
the trouble because he was preaching you know, paganism in
the eyes of the U.
Speaker 1: The leaders of the I guess he was.
Speaker 2: He started in Medina, right trading town, and this sort
of thing, and he he would recruit and and proselytize
to sort of the the the lowly of the low
and such. And it was a out peace and getting
along because he was trying to build his his following.
And then you know, they kick him out and I
think that's when he heads off to Mecca, right, and
then he marries the woman who dies and he inherits
all of her wealth and then he's able to pay
for soldiers, he raises armies, and then he begins conquering
and sort of that that trajectory, that timeline is a
very human one, right in that when you don't have
the power, you play nice, and then when you get stronger,
now you can do what you want. And now you're
going to go and and you know, rape and murder
your way across Christendom. And that's and if you look
at the way the the their texts are written, well,
first off, they jumble it all up so like it's
really weird.
Speaker 1: It's not chronological.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they like they they take they stack the
Karan in a way that's very confusing. I would submit
it's purposefully so they stack it so like the shortest
verses are at the end, I think, and the longest
ones are at the beginning. So I don't know why
you would do that. I'm sure they've got some you know,
religious explanation for it or something, but that makes it
difficult to understand the chronology. When you understand the chronology
of it, then you see like, yeah, okay, this is
a very sort of human progression that occurred.
Speaker 1: This is from Melissa.
Speaker 2: Most of my life I've lived in a predominantly Jewish
county and worked in a Jewish healthcare facility for twenty
five years. As a non Jewish person, I believe I
have a working knowledge of both the Reformed and Conservative religion.
It's pretty simple. Jewish people don't want to kill or
convert me choose wisely.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: This is one of the other things too, And I
think Tom's call is a really good illustration of it.
I mean, aside from the wanting me to focus on
the Jews because for some reason he thinks that the
hitting of a church, which by the way, I'm not
even sure they actually hit the church, but regardless, it
doesn't matter. But a church in Gaza, which by the way,
the only Christian churches that remain in Gaza are there
because they're supporting Hamas, right, Okay, that's anyway. The hitting
of a church in a war zone is supposed to
be a counterpoint to fourteen hundred years of civilizational conquest, subjugation,
and genocide, right see. And this is what I this
is what I tried to highlight to Tom. I don't
think he understood what I was arguing, or he did
understand and he didn't want to address it. But there
is also I thought, there is this Western conceit this
idea that because you think a cera as a you know,
lifelong member of a Western civilization that has been built
up over uh, you know, two thousand years, that that
for some reason, everybody outside of that civilization thinks the
same way you do. And I used to I used
to think that way too, I did. I used to
think that, oh, well, they're just people. They they want
freedom too, and they want this and they want that whatever.
But no, there are a lot of other people outside
of our civilization that do not They literally do not
want anything at all that Western civilization offers, and they
don't they don't have the same values, they don't have
the same way of thinking about things. So that's Western conceit.
So I don't project my values onto others with an
expectation that they will adhere to them. What I am
trying to do is highlight that they have their own values,
and their own values are rooted in a completely different philosophy,
different religion, and that might be a problem, particularly if
you like or in this example, I will say the
UK that they have opened their borders to people predominantly
from these areas that are high Muslim population concentration, but
also a particular strain of Islam that believes in this
sort of supremacy, Islamic supremacy, and that's a problem in
a free society that is getting captured now by that ideology,
right had we And I think it's just a luck
of geography that the illegal immigration coming into our country
has been from Central and South America. There are a
lot of Catholics there. It's a different kind of that is,
a Western infused philosophy, a Western infused way of thinking
and living. That is, you know, because of the Spaniards
and the conquering that they did. So it is a
different kind of migration than what the UK is seeing
because they are in closer proximity to the Muslim world right,
So that's who they're getting, and it's having profound destabilizing
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of people have a lot of thoughts on this topic.
From Moral Compass on Twitter it's a Pete tweet. A
friend of mine did two tours in Afghanistan and he
has said similar things as you have said. The people
over there do not hold the same values that we do.
Oh and by the way, this was the position of
the left. You may recall when George W. Bush said
We're going to, you know, create a democracy over in Iraq,
and we were going to nation build and all that.
When they were saying that, the left was saying, no,
we can't do that, shouldn't do that to different people, whatever,
and they were right by the way right they turned
out to be correct. But now we're supposed to believe
that they they are of similar mind on these things,
and all they need is just more buckets of democracy
or something. This is from Craig. For that guy to
try to equate Jewish self defense with Muslim aggression is laughable.
But you got to laugh to keep from crying. Jake said,
I love your response to that guy. I'd love to
be able to respond to these people like you do. Well,
Thank you, Jake. But this is why I do this.
That's one of the reasons is I try to arm
you with these arguments and these debate tactics that you
can use as well.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not.
Speaker 2: A terribly bright guy here, but if you know do
enough of the reading, you hear enough of the research,
and you listen to enough people over time like you
are able to then formulate these arguments and you hear
how a debate and argument can flow, and you can
look for certain ways to engage. And I hope that
me doing that helps give you some examples so you
can employ them, because I have done that with other
people that I've watched and read and listened to over
the years. Robin says, as a common sense forty nine
year old woman that has done my own research for
decades on issues, I really appreciate how you handle, how
you handily in insert oh, okay, handily insert common sense
and facts into these discussions and then bid the clowns adieu.
I learned a lot on your program, and thank you, well,
thank you, Robin. I appreciate that. Susie says, I think
Tom also does not understand the definition of genocide. No,
that's but look, that is a that is a weapon
being used against Israel, okay, and it has been from
you know, the very beginning, just like everybody starving in Gaza.
They were saying that at the very beginning of the war.
And so when you recognize it for what it is,
that it is a weapon being used against Israel in
order to get them to stop fighting Hamas, which is
what Hamas wants, which is by the way, have you
noticed the people that have been screaming for a cease
fire now for the last two years, when given the
opportunity for an actual cease fire that gives Hamas what
it wants. They're nowhere to be found.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Nobody is urging Hamas to take the deal. In fact,
they're saying don't take it. So what does that tell you?
We are in a battle space, online media battle space, right,
and people are trying to influence policy and actions via
social media campaigns or what used to be called propaganda.
So always keep that in mind when you are when
you are looking at these stories and these reports. And
by the way, that's not to say that Israel has
done everything right in their war.
Speaker 1: They haven't. They haven't.
Speaker 2: I don't cover the war every single day. I follow it,
I I read some people, and I kind of keep
up on stuff on a semi regular basis. I'm not
following every troop movement and everything like that that's going
on over there. But again, I come back to if
you did not want a war, then you should not
have invaded your neighbor.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Hamas did want the war. They did.
Speaker 2: That's why they launched the invasion. That's why they built
their tunnel system. That's why they did it right. They
built the tunnels in order to use their people as
human shields. And they've trained up at least now three
generations to believe there's no higher calling than being a
human shield in a war against Jews. So they built
their tunnel system for the fighters to stay in, not
the public, and then let them be the meat shields,
let them get attacked. Then we use their deaths against
the Jews. That's the propaganda play, right. They are using
the West's empathy against them. That's what's occurring, suicidal.
Speaker 1: Empathy all right. Back to this message.
Speaker 2: That would be you when you actually wipe an entire
race of people off the face of the earth. Israel
keeps dropping flyers and putting out messages for civilians to
flee before they come into an area to fight hamas warriors,
and giving aid to civilians there. If this were a genocide,
they'd be attacking all the six hundred million Muslims that
surround them instead of just the ones who attacked them
two years ago in a small piece of land adjacent
to their country. By the way, this raises another point.
I watched a debate between Coleman Hughes and Dave Smith,
and Coleman Hughes made a great point that if the
biggest beef with Israel was the blockade. You know, Egypt
engaged in that too. Egypt's got like six walls between
Gaza and Egypt. They don't let anybody enter out. Okay,
they participated in that, and Hamas could spare not a
single rocket over into Egypt, which tells you what you
need to know. Right, They're not going to fire the
rocket into Egypt because Egypt isn't filled with Jews. I mean,
like that's the point. It's doctrinal. I keep saying this.
It's doctrinal. It's the Koran mentions the Jews like fifty
five times.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's right there in their text.
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