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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Tonight's guest him was

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first featured on episode five twenty eight, and on that

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show he told us about the night when It's aroic

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white American bulldog paid the ultimate price trying to protect

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him from a dog man that seemed to be intent

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on taking him out. Unfortunately, Well after episode five twenty eight,

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heared he had more encounters with that dog man. He

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came on episodes five forty two and five point fifty

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nine to chronicle of those experiences. If you listen to

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episode five point fifty nine, you remember how he talked

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about this final showdown he had with that dog man. Well,

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his fate would happen. About a month ago, he had

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a conversation with his grandmother where she came clean to

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talk about a traumatic experience as she had had with

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that dog man when she was twelve years old. Not

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long after that conversation, he reached out to me to

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let me know to update me in when he did that,

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I asked him if he'd be interested in coming back

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on to update all of you. He agreed, so here

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we are. But having said all that, let's not waste

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any more time. Let's bring him on here now. Cam

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thanks so much for coming back.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Man, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. Kim, for all the people

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who missed episodes five point twenty eight, five forty two,

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and five point fifty nine, please tell him about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm a yeah, thirty three years old. I live

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in north central Mississippi. I have three daughters, house full

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of dogs, married to my beautiful wife.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 1: Three jobs, and including the stuff I do for myself, I

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stay busy. We had two friends of mine actually had

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some really, really nasty encounters with the dog man on

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my family property where I grew up. I don't live

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there anymore, but I had some really nasty experiences out there,

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and then again in another place that wasn't you know,

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linked to our family's land at all. But I lost

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my dog in the process of first nasty encounter that

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we had with this thing, ran into it by myself

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once completely alone, and your dumb luck or whatever managed

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to come out alive and unharmed at that and uh,

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there was a morning in an early duck season of

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this past year where a friend of mine, different friend

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than than uh than the one that was with me

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the first go around go out and go hunt stink,

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finds us way out in the middle of nowhere, and

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I was forced to defend us, you know, as there's

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no almost got in trouble with the law. Yes, it's long,

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crazy story for those of y'all who haven't heard it,

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but it was There's there's a lot more to it

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than just that. But that was so the same same

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dog man three times and was more or less attacked

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on three different occasions.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, anyway, that's uh, that's that's what's uh, that's

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the content of those three I forget the numbers, but

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the episodes that Big mentioned are everything's there.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't heard it, listen to it.

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Speaker 1: There's there's not enough time in this evening to tell

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you the whole story right now if we're going to

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talk about anything else.

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah, not by a long shot. There's a

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lot there to go over. And for anyone who's new

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listening to the show who missed those episodes, that Kim's

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talking about. Those were episodes five twenty eight, five forty two,

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and five point fifty nine. Definitely want to go check

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those out if you missed them, Kim, Like you mentioned,

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unfortunately you lost Dallas. You talked about that in the

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first episode you came on episode five twenty eight. What's

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your dog situation like now?

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Speaker 1: I thought about you the other day after we had

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gotten off on one of the two times we reschedule

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or whatever. Right afterwards we got another male dog. We

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have all the same do we have Breeze. Dallas's daughter

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will still have Rosie, who's his girlfriend, wife or whatever.

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another male dog. My wife and I had to come

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to a compromise and we got a cocker spaniel.

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Speaker 3: His name is Theodore.

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Speaker 1: Scared of his own reflection, shadow and anything that moves

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that he doesn't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: So that is my current dog situation. I love him.

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Speaker 1: Was my kids for sure, but uh, he's THEO man.

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Speaker 2: Well that's great. Yeah, he might not rip someone's arm off,

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but at least it sounds like a good companion, a

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good buddy to have hanging around. So that's still all right.

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Speaker 3: Personality, it's okay.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'll bet that's how they normally are. Have you

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time and told us about that showdown you had with

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the dog man?

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Speaker 1: I did. I was there after that. I went last year,

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like you know, after all that, I didn't. I didn't

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go like the following.

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Speaker 3: Weekend or anything like that, but I believe I went

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Speaker 1: Two weeks later or something like that. And then I

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went with Tyler and Allen this this past opening I

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think it November, the twenty eighth opening day of duck season.

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Speaker 3: We went.

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Speaker 1: There were some discrepancies with my federal duck stamps. I

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got a big fat ticket and the game warning asked

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us to leave. We didn't do anything like the moral

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or wrong. I just I bought a sportsman's package with

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my hunt lights is. I thought my federal duck stamp

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came with it, and they did not. And Alan made

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the same mistake. So we all got tickets and that

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was actually the only time I went out there this year.

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But I went out there, and I spent the night

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by myself, and there was another group.

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Speaker 3: Of guys out there. There were several hundred yards from it.

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But I did. I went out there. I pulled my

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boat and uh, I was at a different part.

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Speaker 1: I was at a different part of the sleugh but

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uh same you know, same body of water. And uh

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it's uh, it wasn't it wasn't too bad.

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Speaker 3: Man's that the moon was bright. There's a lot of light.

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Speaker 1: And then, like I said, there were some people like

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you know down the way from it. They were they were,

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you know, we we could have duck hunted on the

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same water safely.

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Speaker 3: They were. They were far enough away, but they were

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also close enough.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Every now and then you can hear them talking if they.

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Speaker 1: Got up and talked too loud. But uh no, I've

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I've been. Man, It's it's a beautiful place. Like it's

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the part that I showed you I made the video

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for you or whatever, and that part that's where everything happened. Well,

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I've only hunted there, whie. Actually that one spot, the

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main spot is farther on down. It's a great, big,

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wide open body of water, which is where I was

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this this past open.

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Speaker 2: If you're able to go back there and spend the night,

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then you can't be doing all that bad. So that's

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good news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's man. It's the duck hunting and light deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: I mean you can run into people on the public

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land deer hunting as well. You know, you walk out

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in the in the dark, and you put your you

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get up in your stand, you sit up against your tree,

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you put your blind up, whatever you do, and then

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sun comes up and he looks sixty yards in one direction.

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There's a fellow wearing orange up in a tree stand

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that never saw you, and you never saw him.

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Speaker 3: Walking in.

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Speaker 1: Duck hunting can be not just like that, but it's

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it's competitive. You know, you've got to get to a

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spot and get set up, and you know, be in

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a reasonable spot where if somebody comes too close, you

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can say, hey, look, I'm over here.

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Speaker 3: You don't come close with you know, holos shoot towards

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y'all or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But it was, it was it was a necessary I say,

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I spent the night by myself.

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Speaker 3: I was out there by myself. It was twenty eight

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grades was so cold.

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Speaker 1: I was out there by myself until about two in

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the morning, when I went and met Alan at his

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truck and uh we both hopped on the four wheler

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and hauled in the rest of my stuff which I

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didn't feel like carrying, and uh, Tyler met us four

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thirty or five. Yeah, with man, it was uh Man,

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you know, it's it's not like there's nothing to be

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scared of. You know, the dark, the dark unset as

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a grown man, the dark unsettles me.

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Speaker 3: Before all this happened to me, the dark unsettled me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, being out there with Tyler and Allan,

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knowing that my problems.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to you know, I've always I've only

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had I've only had encounters with one dog man in

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my life, So you know, in that area, it's it's

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Speaker 3: It's okay, s all right. I don't I'm.

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Speaker 1: Always like my kids still don't go outside at night.

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I'm sitting in this car. I'm twenty feet from my

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front door, and I have the same pistol that I

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showed you in this same pistol I've had since before

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all this even happened.

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Speaker 3: But man, we were we we had a little grill.

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Speaker 1: We we we grilled some turkey legs that Alan had

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from Thanksgiving because Thanksgiving was the day before, and uh man,

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we ate hot food on a cold morning, threw decoys

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out watch the sun come up, and you know, all

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of us paid attention. You know, we we definitely weren't

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just carelessly out not watching our back because I mean,

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and then Power and Alan didn't work together anymore. There's

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something between them. But if I could have chose to

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be out there with anybody, would have been them, would

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have been those two. No, but nobody in the world

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would have gotten a spot of one.

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Speaker 3: Of those guys.

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Speaker 1: And uh man, it was I just that The biggest

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thing is that I can still do what I love

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to do, because there's there's only a few things outside

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of you know, being home with my family that I

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those things.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just glad that I.

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Speaker 1: Can and uh, man, I'll never stop doing I don't

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care if I died doing it. You know, it's I

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definitely died doing something that I love. Hopefully I don't,

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but that's the way I look at it.

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Speaker 2: I guess, Well, if you're able to do that that night,

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then it sounds like you bounce back really well. Thank

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goodness for that. That's right, man, right, that's definitely a

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good thing. If you've had a dog mean encounter that

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Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Not that long ago, Kim, your

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grandmother dropped the bomb on you. She revealed something that

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just blew you away. Please tell us more about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: You know, man, So we lost my grandfather on my

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Valentine's dat Valentine's Day, my wedding anniversary, or my the

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my third wedding anniversary, which means that my grandmother has

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been alone for right almost at a year now. We're

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about a week out and uh, you know, we've had

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this ice storm recently, she's been without power and it's uh,

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as have a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: It's been been really rough. Man. We were talking and uh.

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Speaker 1: So she told me that she had never told my

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grandpa or anybody for that matter, about this. She's never

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she never talked about it at all up until, you know,

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a week or two before my experience has started out

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there on the place. But I've still got questions, you know,

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I'm I'm still kind of there are things left for

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me to ponder and things that.

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Speaker 3: I want to know, and I'll probably never know them.

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Speaker 1: But so I got a little bit of insight into

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where this thing came from, or you know, at least

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how long it's been around. So we had a conversation

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with my grandmother told me a story and it's one

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that I've never heard, and it's one that you know,

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my grandmother's she's she's pushing eight, you know what I mean,

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there's no she doesn't.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't joke much, especially.

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Speaker 1: Since Grandpa's been gone her she's not as bright and cheery,

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and he certainly doesn't lie, and uh don't have any

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reason to. But she explained to me how she came

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to experience this dog man when she was younger. And

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by younger, I mean she was like twelve years old.

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So uh, down this way, way way way down the

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same highway, and I might be given too much way here,

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but in a place called Union County is where my

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grandmother was born and raised, and that's where she was

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when she met my grandfather. Well, her maiden name is Jumper,

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Peggy Jumper. Well, my Grandpa Jumper, whom I don't remember, great,

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big guys a lot like my grandfather. Him and my

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grandfather were the best friends, you know, ultimate son in law,

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father in law, duo man. They hunted together, they trapped together,

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they fished together, did everything together. And he was every

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bit as much of an outdoorsman as my grandfather was,

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and in an even older fashion, because my Grandpa's old school,

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my great Grandpa Jumper is even you know, I mean

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he was born in a completely different time. But so

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out on their place in Union County, it was much larger.

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And then we don't we don't own this propertymore Solda,

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but much larger than the place where I grew up,

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where my experiences were. And you pull onto this property.

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You go through like a cow panel style gate. Well,

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of course none of us there now, But when you

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pulled up, you looked to the right and there was

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the house, the main house, a farm style with a

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like a one hundred and eighty degree wrap round for

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I guess not full rap round course, but it was

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a barn in a workshop, six.

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Speaker 3: Ponds on six big stock ponds on this property.

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Speaker 1: I think it was something like two hundred and twenty

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or two hundred and fifty acres, and uh Man had everything

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you needed to live and survive off the grid or.

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Speaker 3: You know, however you wanted.

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Speaker 1: Well, my grandpa Jumper was a like I said, it

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was true outdoors, but he chopped all there on firewood.

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They didn't have electricity for a long time. You know,

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everything they ate was grown or caught pretty much. You know,

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I'm pretty sure they'd go to town like like once

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or twice a month something like that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was it.

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Speaker 1: It was much different, And it was my grandma and

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Grandpa Jumper and my grandmother and her brother, her little

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brother Horace terrible name never did like on horse.

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Speaker 3: But this one night, I believe my grandma.

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Speaker 1: Jumper was cooking dinner Grandpa jump her tells my grandma,

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there's there's commotion in the barn, banging horses, horses carrying on,

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all kinds of suff He said, take one of the dogs.

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Speaker 3: Go out there and something horses up.

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Speaker 1: See what was going on? So, uh, she goes out

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to the barn, pulls the door open. Soon she pulls

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door open. They had two horses and a mule. Two

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horses just.

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Speaker 3: They're gone, almost ran her over, knocked knocked the door open.

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As soon as she popped the locks. She knocked the

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door open.

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Speaker 1: Enter with the door, and uh, she said, she walks in,

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and you know she's carrying a lantern. All right, Well,

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walked in and she said I could see the mule

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and something else. The mule was laying flat on the

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ground in the lane like it had been drug out

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of his stall or made it halfway out. And she

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said there was this great, big, weird shaped dog eating him.

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They was bent over chewing on him. And she she said,

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I got so mad and that I re over. I

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grabbed Daddy, split them all off of the you know,

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he was to the right inside. I remember it was ragged.

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Once thought I was old enough to see it, but

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I do. I do have flat memories of it. There

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was like a like a workshop table bench to your right,

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like right inside the door, and you know, hooks on

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the wall and stuff, and there was there was there

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was old stuff hanging there from times I remember.

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Speaker 3: But she reached over, she said, I reached over.

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Speaker 1: And grab a flitting the mall and said hi, And

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you screamed it this thing and you know, got his attention.

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Speaker 3: And she said, honey, when I tell.

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Speaker 1: You that it was the biggest dog I'd ever seen

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until I realized that it wasn't a dog.

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Speaker 3: She said, it stood up, stood erect on two legs.

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Speaker 1: And she said, at that point I was scared and

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I turned around ran scream into the house.

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Speaker 3: Well at that point, my Grandpa Jumper comes running out

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of the house with the gun.

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Speaker 1: They this is this is with all seven dogs. This

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is where I get my love for dog It comes

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from you know this. This is my grandmother technically is

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not even my biological grandmother. She's been here my whole

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life and has never treated me any differently, but she

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has passed things on to me that that don't even

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come from genets. That's where I got my love for

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dogs from. That's that's what made me love a house

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full of dogs. It's been like that since her childhood.

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And I'll always have it, you know, I It'll never

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be any different. But Grant, Paul Jumper and all the

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dogs strike out, and this thing bolts from the barn.

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Speaker 3: They all watched it bolts from the barn.

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Speaker 1: And when you when you all right, so all this

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when you walk onto this property, barn, house, workshop, all

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that is.

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Speaker 3: Right on top of like a plateau, top of the hill.

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And then behind that, behind the buildings, there's a slow

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hill that goes down into a great, big, wide open pasture.

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Speaker 1: Way to the right side of the passage you can

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see the start of a couple of ponds in the trees.

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And to the left, at the back of this passion,

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there's a trail that goes back to the rest of.

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Speaker 3: The property where most of the hunting and stuff was done.

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Speaker 1: Well, this thing strikes out back that way, and Grandpa

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Jumper and those.

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Speaker 3: Dogs chased it all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was man, it's been years and years

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since I was out there. Man, I dare say seven

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eight hundred yard I mean it was a big open place.

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Speaker 3: They chase this thing all the way to the trees.

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Speaker 1: Well, from that night, my Grandpa Jumper said neither her

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nor horse were allowed to be outside anywhere near dark

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by themselves, and if so, they were to have all

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the dogs out.

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Speaker 3: And they were to be together. Well, oh, not too long.

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Speaker 1: And this this sightings encounters of you know whatever magnitude

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went on.

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Speaker 3: For a couple of years, two three years.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, she said they would go down you know,

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my grandmama would go and pre my my grandmama Jumper

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would go and pick you know whatever from the garden,

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some vegetables, and they'd have some you know, some some

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beef or some some deer meat, and you know where.

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And they would go every other day, my grandpa Jumper

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and my grandmama or sometimes her and her brother Horse

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will go with it would go to one of these

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ponds and catch a couple of fish and fish with dinner.

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And uh, she said, they got to where every couple

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of times they go down there, they'd see this. They

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would be in the woods standing at broad daylighting all

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day that I'd be standing there staring at him through

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the woods.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes it'd be.

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Speaker 1: Standing there staring at him and the dogs would never

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even know, Like that's you know, super super unnerve.

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Speaker 3: I can you know, I can't imagine, but.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and then you know, jee, she said that the

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first time, the first time that they ever saw it,

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while they were out fishing.

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Speaker 3: You know, they didn't have a four wheeler, they didn't

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have three wheel they didn't have anything.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure my grandpa Jumper had an

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old you know, like old beat up four truck or something,

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you know, and uh, and they rode horses around the

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property most of the time, but they didn't have any

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means of running away quickly or anything like that. So

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the first time they see this thing down, you know,

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at the water's edge, and it was off in the woods,

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she said, she said, well, my daddy grabbed me up

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under his one arm and turned around and was firing

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that shotgun with one hand. And eventually the dogs saw

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it and struck out after it, and it was gone.

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All the dogs came back, never killed any of the dogs,

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never did anything like that.

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Speaker 3: But it was there, and it was I mean terrifying. Man.

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It's not it's not something you live with on any

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kind of normal level.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's but uh, this went on for

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a couple year between the ages of twelve and fifteen

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for her, and all at once it just kind of

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just kind of disappeared.

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Speaker 3: And for what reason? You know this this is one

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of those things that I wanted.

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Speaker 1: Is a question that I have that you know, obviously

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nobody is going to be able to answer. But and

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she said, and honey, I didn't talk about that because

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my Grandpa Jumper was one of those, you know, semi

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superstitious people like you kill a snake and hanging on

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the fence, it'll rain the next day. I mean old

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you know, old farmer style superstition, superstition type of you know,

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type of old man.

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Speaker 3: And he told her, he said, maybe.

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Speaker 1: You know, if this is the end of our time

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with that thing, if we if we're done dealing with this,

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this is something you should never speak of.

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Speaker 3: I believe wholeheartedly. You can speak things into existence or

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you can misn't.

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Speaker 1: And she took that to heart, because she said, for

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sixty three years she never said a single word about

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that at all until she told my uncle Horace about

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her or mentioned it to my uncle Horace a week

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or two before my experience started, which is to me,

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is there's there.

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Speaker 3: Has to be. I say, there has to be that.

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It may not be true.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me there's some kind of connect because

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I mean sixty three years, sixty three years and then

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all of a sudden it shows up on our family's

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property out of the blue. And I was about to

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say it attacked Tyler, and it did.

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Speaker 3: You know, it did.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately in the end, it attacked us. But you know

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whether that was provoked or not, I don't know, but.

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Speaker 3: You know there was.

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Speaker 1: There was again, if anybody listened, if anybody remembers me saying,

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there was a night when this thing showed itself to

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my grandparent, to myself, to my grandparents, to my grandmother

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through the bay windows.

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Speaker 3: So in their in their dining.

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Speaker 1: Room at my grandmother and grandfather's house, there is a

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really the dining room in the kitchen is all one thing.

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And the back window is I mean the back wind

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to the back wall. It's just it's completely full of

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windows feeling to form. And she walked in one night

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to do I forget what do something in the kitchen

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and this thing is standing in the window and she

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screamed all her Grandpa went and got his gun, ran

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outside after this thing and of course was gone and.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, but again that's type of man.

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Speaker 1: He was man.

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Speaker 3: He didn't think anything of it was out there and

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he was gonna try to shoot something, you know. But uh,

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yeah she did.

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Speaker 1: She went all that time without without speaking on it

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or you know, to anybody for anything.

475
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: And then she asked, Horace.

476
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,519
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but she said, you know something

477
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,599
along lines of do you remember when we were younger?

478
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,839
Speaker 3: You know, like and it's not like, how could you?

479
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,839
How could you forget that?

480
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,799
Speaker 1: And it was talked about right before everything that happened

481
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:10,880
to me started happening.

482
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:15,559
Speaker 3: And I mean, I can't shake that in my mind.

483
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,519
Speaker 1: There's some kind of connection there, but it, uh, I mean,

484
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:22,839
my my grandma was spent again. This never once through

485
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,440
throughout all of all of my goings on, all all

486
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,119
the things that happened to me, all the time I

487
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,480
spent dealing with that, she never said and I'm not

488
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:32,039
I'm not pad or anything like that, but.

489
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 3: She never said a word.

490
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,279
Speaker 1: And I know that she meant, you know that she

491
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,559
you know, she took what my Grandpa Jumper said to

492
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:42,000
heart because I would have heard about it.

493
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: I mean, that's I knowing my grandmama.

494
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: I figured now again hindsight b Twenty twenty, I figured

495
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,559
she would have come to me and said, baby, you gotta,

496
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,839
you gotta leave that thing along, you gotta stay away,

497
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,039
you gotta. You know, I've seen this before. I mean,

498
00:25:58,079 --> 00:25:59,960
that's that's the type of one my grandmama is. But

499
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,839
she did not do that. She never said a word.

500
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,319
And it's, uh, I mean, it is what it is.

501
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:06,839
Speaker 3: She said it.

502
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: Now we've you know, it's it's out there and you know,

503
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,319
it's not like it's a problem anymore. I mean she was,

504
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,720
she was, you know, she was beside herself when I

505
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:19,559
told her what had happened with me and Alan out

506
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:21,240
there at at at our at our at.

507
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:30,079
Speaker 3: Our hunt spot, you know. And uh, I just it's it's.

508
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: It's not comforting to know that somebody else other than me,

509
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,759
Tyler Allen, you know, dealt with this. But there is

510
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,559
some kind of I don't even know what I'm trying

511
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,920
to say right now, there's there's some kind of there's

512
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,519
some kind of comfort knowing that.

513
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,559
Speaker 3: That you know, grandmama saw it too.

514
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: You know, it was I mean, if we're if we're

515
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,599
being technical, my grandfather never saw it. He never once

516
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,640
laid eyes on it. I mean, but she did, and uh,

517
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:10,039
you know, and now she lives alone in a house

518
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,240
by herself, on a property where it where it showed

519
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:16,839
itself at one point here, but I guess once to her.

520
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:20,319
But I mean, and right now, there's you know, this

521
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,240
ice storm came through.

522
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: There's no power.

523
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,559
Speaker 1: I've got her a generator over there, and I cut

524
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:27,200
her a footload of firewood. She's keeping a good fire

525
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:28,720
going the house as a warm and all that stuff.

526
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:32,839
But she's essentially in a dark house by herself right now,

527
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,079
where she knows this thing has been before, you know,

528
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,519
whether whether it's gone or not, like if that's got.

529
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,039
Speaker 3: To have some kind of effect on it. You know,

530
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,319
she's she's one of those people.

531
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,839
Speaker 1: She's she's from this same generation that that my grandfather

532
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,039
was from, and uh, you know, they're different, they're different people.

533
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,720
But uh, you know it it happened to her what

534
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:57,759
not exactly what happened to me, but.

535
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: In a way what happened to me happened to her.

536
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: And I've still got questions, but uh, I just I

537
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,240
had to tell I had to tell Vick about it.

538
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: Like there was no way that.

539
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,839
Speaker 1: It was on my mind for a little while. You know,

540
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,359
I thought, I thought, and I was like, what what.

541
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: Could it have to do? You know, what, what what

542
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,200
what could be.

543
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: The correlation between her you know, talking about it, and

544
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,799
then just ooh, you know and in the next within

545
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:35,640
a month, within two weeks, you know, I mean, it happens.

546
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: I just kind of blown away, kind.

547
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: Of taken aback that, hey, I didn't hear about it

548
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,000
sooner and b that, you know, it's hard for me

549
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:50,559
to believe there's no correlation between those those two things.

550
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,759
And I also and again that this is something Vic

551
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,920
said that there's no way to prove there's no you know,

552
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,039
and he's exactly right, But that has to be the same.

553
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,000
It's got to be the same dog. It's got to

554
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,039
there's no way. I mean, I don't know if it

555
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:10,799
was like a family curse or some kind of Yeah,

556
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,680
it seems weird. It seems weird for me to even

557
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
say that something's weird with what I've seen and dealt with,

558
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,920
but weird. Nonetheless, I don't I don't know, but uh,

559
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:25,160
my grandmother saw and dealt with this. My grandmother, Grandpa jump,

560
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200
her Grandmama Jumper, and you know, her brother, Horace, many

561
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:29,480
they all saw and dealt with it.

562
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,519
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's.

563
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 1: Been in the family for a long time something. I'm

564
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:35,920
not sure what, but.

565
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:39,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was.

566
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: It was just like a like a truth bomb. You know,

567
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,000
it's like, where did this come from? Why are you

568
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:44,279
just not.

569
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,079
Speaker 3: Telling me this? But I did. I had. I had

570
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:48,559
to tell Vick.

571
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: I had to ask what he thought, and uh, it's

572
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,160
got nice to get it off my chest.

573
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,599
Speaker 3: You know, I've I haven't other other than my.

574
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:02,519
Speaker 1: My you know, regular I say dog man related thought.

575
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:04,240
I don't sit around thinking about dog Man. I just

576
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:06,759
when I walk to my truck in the dark, you know,

577
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,480
I keep my hand on my gun sometimes, and you

578
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,119
know when like when my wife gets home and it's dark,

579
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:15,000
like I walk outside on the porch, I let the

580
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,759
dogs out, and I always meet her and come.

581
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'm never gonna not do those things.

582
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,599
Speaker 1: But other than that, man, I haven't thought about it

583
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,559
at all hardly, you know, not not anymore than you

584
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:28,119
know your common sense will tell you to, hey, have

585
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,759
a healthy fear or something. But a man, I got questions.

586
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,279
It's weird, and I wanted to share it with Vic,

587
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,200
and Vic thought it was great. I did to share

588
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,680
it with everybody else, you know, so I'm open to

589
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,119
put anybody else thinks too.

590
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,519
Speaker 3: I'm just that's as good as mine.

591
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're not obsessed with it, and consequently you

592
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,559
can do what you need to do on a day

593
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,920
and out basis, because if you were so obsessed on

594
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,839
this whole dog man thing, the experiences you had, then

595
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920
it really wouldn't be any good at all. It really would.

596
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,240
And thinking back to what you told us about all

597
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,359
those experiences you had with that dog men, or possibly

598
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,079
several dog men, it sounded to me like every time

599
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,200
you had an encounter, the dog men you encountered seemed

600
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,240
almost recognize yeah.

601
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, I mean I don't see yeah,

602
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,519
I mean that's for me. I guess that wasn't even

603
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:31,680
in question. I mean it was, you know when, but

604
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,799
the first that that first night December. This I say

605
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,440
first night, I guess it was early morning at that

606
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,240
point December. The third man that day is burned in

607
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,160
that day night whatever is absolutely burned into my mind.

608
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:54,319
Like I mean, I've never I've never stared something down

609
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,960
that way. I've never been stared down that way. You know,

610
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,759
there's no, there's not a question in my mind as

611
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:03,559
to whether or not.

612
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: It knew. It's weird to say that.

613
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: It's weird to talk about to get it's it's weird

614
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,160
to use personification to give human traits characteristic to something

615
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,079
that's not. But yeah, no, no, no, there's there's no

616
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,799
question absolutely whether it knows my name or yeah that

617
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,759
I don't know about that. But you know, a dog

618
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,039
smells you once, they'll remember you forever as long as

619
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,599
I can smell you again. You might grow your beer down,

620
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,359
let your hair get long, or something, and they may

621
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,960
not visibly be able to see like, oh I know

622
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,640
that person, but yeah, I know, and this man, there's

623
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,160
you know, dogs are smart. Dogs are dogs are extremely intelligent.

624
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: But you know.

625
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,799
Speaker 1: There's like human DNA in these things somewhere, because there

626
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:54,000
is what I would say is near human intelligence, like.

627
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,079
Speaker 3: The you know, the the second time when I when

628
00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:02,119
I was all alone, man, it was Uh. If that

629
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,519
wasn't recognition, then I don't know what it was.

630
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:08,559
Speaker 1: Because man, when he thought he was fixing to get

631
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,319
after that dough, he thought he was fixing to catch him,

632
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,440
and that dough dipped out on him and struck out,

633
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,599
and uh did when I tell you, my heart jumped

634
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,319
into my throat when I realized the wind was at

635
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:21,160
my back, like.

636
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:26,039
Speaker 3: Anyway, man, he looks up at me, and.

637
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how many seconds went by

638
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,640
before I screamed at him like it and uh, I

639
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,599
just he looked square at me, look me, square in

640
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:43,039
the face, like eye contact, not like a dog that

641
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
has shaky eye cond if you stare at him too long,

642
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,119
he'll look away. And it's aid, no, dude, I mean

643
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,000
it was. It's it's so much more than that, so

644
00:33:54,119 --> 00:34:00,079
much more than that, so unnatural and terrifying. I just

645
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,400
you know it really, it really is scary, like it's you.

646
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:06,079
Speaker 3: Know, I don't get scared the way some other people.

647
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Do, but I still do experience, obviously experience fear.

648
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:16,559
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not without fear. But you're talking about

649
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:18,079
something that's.

650
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Probably probably ancient, you know, if it was around when

651
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,280
my grandmother was you know, I mean, you're telling how

652
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,119
long these things live or how long they stay around.

653
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,920
And you know, but he did, he looked square in

654
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,519
my face, square in my face, and was and uh

655
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,159
and you know, and and then after that, when I

656
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,599
when I when I was able to squeeze off those

657
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,159
shots man and and drill him with a couple of them.

658
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: He reached and he grabbed, but he still looked at me.

659
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,639
He you know, it caught him off guard.

660
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,119
Speaker 1: I guess maybe because I didn't shoot him, and maybe

661
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,159
he didn't know what a pistol was.

662
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,639
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just the question I have that

663
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:57,559
I'll probably never be answered. But I fired on him,

664
00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:59,159
popped him.

665
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,639
Speaker 1: He reaches, he grabs, looks down as he grabs, and

666
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,480
then looks immediately back up at me. Which was the

667
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,280
you know, right at the right, at the moment where

668
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,639
I got the you know, like I'll get you, I'll

669
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,519
get you. Your time's coming, I'll get you. Like it again, man,

670
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,679
there's there was not a it's not the voice in

671
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,039
your head. It's not you don't hear it. His lips

672
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,639
don't move, his mouth doesn't open. But there is absolutely

673
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:31,559
no problem portraying what he wants you to feel or

674
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,480
to to to understand. So yeah, I mean, if, if, if,

675
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,519
if he can do all that recognition is definitely what

676
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:43,519
it was. There's no there's no question in my mind,

677
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,119
like it was. And if he didn't recognize me. How

678
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,199
did he come out here? I mean, I'm serious, man,

679
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:52,559
I live. I live twenty six miles twenty six point

680
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,880
something miles from the city limits of Oxford.

681
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:57,559
Speaker 3: And then there's addition.

682
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: There's an additional probably twenty fifteen to twenty miles between

683
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,239
there and my grandparents house.

684
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,519
Speaker 3: So in total all.

685
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: Thought, I probably lived forty miles away and that thing

686
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,519
found me up here on the hill where I live.

687
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,719
If he didn't know it was me, then I need

688
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,400
to be playing the line. I need to be buying

689
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,440
lottery tickets. If he found me all the way out

690
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,360
here on fans, you know it was. I don't know

691
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,599
what it is. I've heard people say marked, so that's

692
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,320
what I said, and it sounds right, it seems right.

693
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,280
I don't know what it is if that's not what

694
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,559
it is. But yeah, I know he definitely knew who

695
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,000
I was. He definitely had had my number or you know,

696
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:38,280
whatever however you want to say it.

697
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,159
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, there's just why and how.

698
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,519
Speaker 1: I'd love to know, and I probably never will, but

699
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,239
you're exactly right, And I wish I had an explanation

700
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,519
for why, you know, But no, yeah, no, he definitely

701
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:56,519
recognized me, there's no, there's no.

702
00:36:59,199 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: Your bottle.

703
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,599
Speaker 2: It sure sounds like he did. If that was the

704
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,599
same dog man that your grandma had that experience with.

705
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,239
Did you see anything in his coach or any other

706
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,159
features that made him look like he had some me, jhonam.

707
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean, you know he The only difference

708
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,199
I ever really noticed in his appearance was, you know, like.

709
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 3: Between the first time, the first run in.

710
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,559
Speaker 1: And the second time. Man, there was say that was

711
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:40,639
December to October, that was ten months, it went nine

712
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,519
nine to ten months, say ten, And it looked slightly

713
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:51,480
not smaller, like shorter, but.

714
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: Like he had missed a meal or something.

715
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: And I again, I think power and I really really

716
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,119
really really injured him. Like I'm telling you, dude, there

717
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:00,480
was so much blood on the ground. Man, you know,

718
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:03,280
some of some of it was Dallas, some of us,

719
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:10,800
some of it was dog blood, and you know, but

720
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,880
most most of it was him. Most of it was him.

721
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,880
I mean, man, he got shot so many times that night,

722
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,280
you know, And I don't think that uh, maybe maybe

723
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,239
we shot him and we heard him and he couldn't

724
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,400
hunt or catch food, like because I said, I watched

725
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,920
the deer get away from him. I watched it dough

726
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,000
absolute like like basketball. Pump faked him like her head

727
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,840
went one way like she was fixing to go left,

728
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,639
and then she came. She struck out to the right

729
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,440
and he missed, completely missed, and didn't even bother to

730
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,280
go after her again.

731
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: And it looked like he was frustrated. Like he shook.

732
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,719
He shook like a dog. Man. He shook and was

733
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,800
like I mean, you ever seen a dog like you

734
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,840
hear tell your dog like no, you go let down

735
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,159
right now, and they go let down. They go and

736
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,320
they freaking huff at.

737
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: It was like he did that without the huff like

738
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:05,119
there was you know, I could see the frustration in him.

739
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,440
The only physical difference I ever saw was that he

740
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,760
looked a little bit smaller that time.

741
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: You know, whether he did or didn't the day when

742
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,199
I finally shot him, I don't. I don't think still,

743
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,559
I don't think there's anything different there. But I guess

744
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:24,280
if you're asking like great hair or anything.

745
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: Now, man, he was like like gun metal gray, like

746
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,079
dark dark gray, not black.

747
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: Wasn't black.

748
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,159
Speaker 1: I mean it was the color that the gun metal

749
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,239
is my favorite gray that there's ever been. I remember

750
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,679
that was the color that the H two Hummers were

751
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:43,239
when they came out.

752
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: When I was little, I was like.

753
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: Man, I loved that books just like that. I believe

754
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,880
I was clod Well. I guess it was dark first night,

755
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,239
but I mean, I've seen him in broad daylight twice

756
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,320
and I don't see gray.

757
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: Hair on his face. I don't see. Then again, I

758
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,199
didn't see genitalia or a tail. Didn't have either one

759
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:03,920
of those. So I don't know. I don't know. I

760
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,239
mean he I don't know how long they live. He

761
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,360
could have shown signs of agent, but not me. I

762
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:10,960
didn't see it.

763
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,639
Speaker 2: Well, there's so many things about these guys we don't know.

764
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,840
We don't know if they even do show age, and

765
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,960
if they do show age, what kind of signs do

766
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,239
they show. Listen to you talk about how he looked thinner.

767
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:25,800
Sounds like he just might be feeling the effects or

768
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,960
might have been feeling the effects from what you guys

769
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,519
did to him that first night. It's really hard to say.

770
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,199
Speaker 3: Ye know, I never know the truth. And you know, really,

771
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,800
at this point, it doesn't even matter. It's not my

772
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,679
problem anymore. Not my problem. Life has been good, man,

773
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,360
it really has. I've been blessed I've been. I'm the

774
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,480
busiest broke dude you ever meet in your life, you know,

775
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,119
And I stay busy. My family's healthy.

776
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm always going to look over my over my shoulder,

777
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,880
I'm always going to carry a gun.

778
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,679
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna let my kids outside after dark again.

779
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,480
But man, other than those.

780
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: Things, and you know, those aren't those aren't bad ways

781
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,440
to be anyway, you know, But I just I make

782
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,079
them all, you know, I take them all very seriously,

783
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:15,599
more seriously than I have a kid now.

784
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: But other than that, man, life is great. Like life

785
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,679
is really really good. And even even with all.

786
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: This this ice and this ice storm that came to

787
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,079
it is real hard. Like my grandmother's still alive and breathing,

788
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:30,639
and you know her power will be back on soon.

789
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: My whole family's shipping in to take care of her.

790
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,000
I mean, it's you know, we're doing well, doing really well,

791
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,440
and it's a.

792
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: There was there was a time when that was not

793
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,880
the case. I was scared for literally every member of

794
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,360
my immediate family that I see on a daily basis.

795
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: But that's a.

796
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: Physically has been dealt with emotionally, you and you know,

797
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,840
all the so big the other day, man, people in

798
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,800
the comment I read some of them, you know, back

799
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,119
back when we did these things, back when we recorded

800
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,599
you know what happened and all that stuff, and uh,

801
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,239
the people in the comments were just like, I don't

802
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,199
believe anybody had anything bad to say, Like it was,

803
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,400
there was some stuff I didn't quite agree with or whatever,

804
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,400
and then it is what it is. But most everybody

805
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,320
was like, wow, we love Dallas. We never met him.

806
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,679
You're a good part, like y'all were. Just everybody was

807
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:32,119
so nice, man. The physical side and the emotional side

808
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:38,760
both received, you know, attention and healing, and it was

809
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,599
a it was.

810
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,039
Speaker 3: Thanks to you and all the nice people that listened

811
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:44,320
to you.

812
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,039
Speaker 1: And it's been absolutely been a year and a couple

813
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:48,360
of months.

814
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: It's been, uh, it's been a while, but it's it's

815
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,280
it's ultimately turned out, you know, it turned out good man.

816
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: It sounds like it has been quite a year for you.

817
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,760
And I told you, you know, all the listeners they

818
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,400
loved you, and for good reason. I mean, after all,

819
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,480
you've got a great personality and there's just something about you,

820
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,800
well besides the fact that you sound like big Nasty

821
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,840
from the movie Convoy there's something else about you too

822
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,480
that you just have to love.

823
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: Oh man, man, it's a I don't know, it's it's

824
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,840
it's it's freeing, you know, it's really it truly is

825
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,840
like it's the relief. It's just just freeings and stay

826
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,199
you know.

827
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: You know, talking and letting it go and all that

828
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,199
stuff that not a lot of people do or are

829
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,800
even good at.

830
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: And I guess it's just easy for me to, you know, and.

831
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: When when you're talking to somebody, you know, talking to

832
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,800
somebody like you, it's just easier in general to let

833
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,119
it all out because I don't I listened to several

834
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:56,320
podcasts like I like like bank robbery stories and you know,

835
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,880
and and things like that and even scary story you know,

836
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,880
but you know, most of the time you watch the

837
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,480
podcast and the host is like interrupting everybody, and it's

838
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,679
you know, it's not the same here. This this is

839
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:12,000
the place, you know, as I've experienced firsthand, this place

840
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:13,280
where I.

841
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,599
Speaker 3: Mean people people come and talk about crazy stuff. Here. Man,

842
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:19,000
Let's let's be honest.

843
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:24,519
Speaker 1: This is absolutely off the wall insane. To anybody who's

844
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:28,239
never who's never experienced it firsthand, this this would all

845
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,920
sound completely and totally bonkers and ridiculous, like it wouldn't

846
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,679
happened to me, had not happened to me, and it

847
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,280
happened to somebody else. And I was listening as somebody

848
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,760
had listened to me, Like, I'm not gonna say the

849
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,840
first thing I would say is this dude is idiot?

850
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,199
Speaker 3: How crazy can you get?

851
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: But you know, try to go tell, you know, a normal, everyday,

852
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:56,679
sane person that's never experienced them like this, a story

853
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,480
like this, and then tell them and be like, hey,

854
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,960
look that's a true story that happened to me.

855
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: And see see how they look at you, see how

856
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,239
they talk to you.

857
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, but in this place here, it is not

858
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,400
like that. And it's a man, it worked out for me.

859
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: I love all y'all.

860
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,199
Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all are such helping you don't even freaking know it,

861
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,280
you know, but the you know, And that's why that's

862
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,559
why I doesn't. I probably might would have kept, you know,

863
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,360
what my grandmother told me recently to myself, but you know,

864
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,440
it's it's maybe y'all wanted to know.

865
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,039
Speaker 3: I don't.

866
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,639
Speaker 1: You know, y'all had y'all had great positive feedback.

867
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: On on the you know, on the the whole, the

868
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,599
whole ordeal that I went through, you know.

869
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad to be able to talk to

870
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,639
y'all and tell y'all and just.

871
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 3: That people are listening.

872
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,639
Speaker 1: It's I'm not going to sit down and go talk

873
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,360
to a shrink, but uh, you know, vig has a

874
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,480
way that you talk within if you don't feel like

875
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:57,079
you're sitting in a shrink. Songice so thankful for Victim,

876
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,480
for this platform and for the nice people who listen

877
00:45:59,519 --> 00:45:59,800
to it.

878
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm all so glad to give you the platform to

879
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:06,119
do it. And I told you the listeners are great people.

880
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,760
They really are, and I'm so glad that they're able

881
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,639
to hear your experiences and help support you. That's what

882
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:15,840
this is all about. Just a moment ago, you mentioned

883
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,440
looking over your shoulder due to the connection you think

884
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,440
that there was between your grandmother talking about that dog

885
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,000
man and then you're going on to have your first

886
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,920
encounter a short time after that. Does that mean that

887
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,800
you're convinced that that dog me in is was a

888
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,440
supernatural being or do you think it might be something else.

889
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,639
Speaker 1: As going too man, because I mean, how don't kill

890
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:43,639
some supernatural?

891
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: You know, i'd like, I've.

892
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:52,559
Speaker 1: Seen it bleed, so if I guess so straight upway

893
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:54,880
for me to answer that. If there's the best I

894
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,440
can say is if it is supernatural.

895
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: If it was supernatural completely, then how would it have died?

896
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,360
You know what I mean? I don't.

897
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,079
Speaker 1: I don't think a bullet will hurt, will hurt like

898
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,039
a go I mean, hey, look those can be real too, dude.

899
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,639
But you know what would a bullet hurt a ghost?

900
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,360
I mean I don't. Maybe maybe that's a bad Maybe

901
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,760
that's comparing you know, apples and coconuts or something.

902
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,199
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean it would have to

903
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,880
be some kind of I don't know what word to you,

904
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,599
supernatural means. I don't know. I don't know.

905
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: There's there's there's got to be some kind of supernatural

906
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,559
to it, because I mean, my grandmama told me that's

907
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:42,719
what she saw that night.

908
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: That's it.

909
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: That's the one, that's him, That's what I saw that night.

910
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,719
And man, he look, dude, if she says it, man,

911
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,480
my grand she ain't never lied.

912
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: She don't tell lies.

913
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just she has no reason to

914
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,119
lie to me. I have every every I mean, hey,

915
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:10,199
look unless I'm just so, you know, unless what happened

916
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,760
to me was a freak occurrence, which man, I just

917
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,440
can't swallow that. I can't swallow it. I absolutely cannot

918
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,199
swallow it. So I mean, there has to be some

919
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,760
kind of I mean, I don't know, man, I mean,

920
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,159
look look at look at crocodiles, alligators, humongous, you know,

921
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:28,440
alligator snapping turtles.

922
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:30,679
Speaker 3: They can let to be over one hundred years old,

923
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:32,760
you know. I mean, there's there are animals in this

924
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,559
world that lived.

925
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, large, large snakes, alligators, turtles, it's

926
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,880
mostly reptiles. I guess now that I'm saying all this,

927
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:43,239
but that doesn't mean that nothing else can be that way.

928
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: So maybe it's not that.

929
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just one of those things where you know,

930
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,480
longevity is is present.

931
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I'm not sure, but.

932
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,039
Speaker 1: It's either something like that or there is some some

933
00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:58,880
kind of a supernatural side too.

934
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: But then again, and that conflicts.

935
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,679
Speaker 1: With you know, I mean, I know they can bleed

936
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,840
by and I'm not the only person who can attest that.

937
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,719
I know two other people who can tell you that

938
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,079
from personal experience.

939
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: But I always growing up watching where wolf because I'm not.

940
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,039
That's not a joke.

941
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,119
Speaker 1: That's not to be that's not some corny crap that

942
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,239
Vic put in the caption of the first thing we did.

943
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,199
Speaker 3: I really did love werewolf movies growing up. I know

944
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,119
this isn't a where wife.

945
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: I realize now there's a difference between a were wolf

946
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,199
and a were wolf is a person that turns into

947
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:35,519
or morphs into an animal, like you know whatever, and

948
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,480
a dog man is just that way, and that's what

949
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:39,400
they are all the time.

950
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,679
Speaker 3: How where they came from? Have no no idea, but.

951
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: All this, I mean, this is so crazy to talk about,

952
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,760
so wild, Like these questions I have are not normal questions.

953
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing normal about dog men. So yeah, it's understandable,

954
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,639
it really is. You said that you saw it bleed.

955
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,639
How sure are you that it was dead that day?

956
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Oh dude, no, no, no, So we like I said, man,

957
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,440
we I took the shot and uh, and then I

958
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,280
guess he bled then.

959
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,119
Speaker 3: But man, what I what I'm.

960
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:20,039
Speaker 1: Referring to when I say I saw him bleed was

961
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,079
when when he when he tackled me off the four

962
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,719
wheeler right after he killed my dog?

963
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,599
Speaker 3: When when Tyler, I mean I did.

964
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: I didn't see blood running down him, but there it

965
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:35,199
was kind of dark, but there was blood all over

966
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,280
the brown like the grass. The grass was just completely

967
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,280
blood red in spots, like big spots. And then, you know,

968
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:47,920
you shoot a deer one time, normally ninety percent of

969
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,800
the time, there's enough blood for you to track, you know,

970
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,400
some every now and then you lose deer, you got

971
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,239
to call somebody in with a dog or a drone

972
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,760
or something that you know. But you shoot a deer

973
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,000
one time with a deer right said? Two forty three

974
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:01,199
is what Tyler hunts with. You shoot a deer one

975
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:03,360
time with the two forty three, there's normally a blood

976
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,440
trail that you can follow if you sue them correctly.

977
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 3: Man, we pumped so many round between.

978
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: Two rifles, and to be honest with you, my three

979
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,519
o eight is something I've got to stop hunting with it.

980
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:13,079
Speaker 3: I ruined the.

981
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,119
Speaker 1: Far side shoulder of every deer that I shoot, every

982
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:16,519
one of them.

983
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: There's a lot of penetrate powers. Man.

984
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,599
Speaker 1: It was so I mean it was it was nasty, nasty,

985
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,639
just chunks of coagulated blood on the ground, you know,

986
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,000
And uh, I mean, no, dude, when I shot him

987
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:34,360
that day out at out I'll.

988
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,039
Speaker 3: Say where it was. We were at a place called Profit.

989
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:37,440
I don't know if I said that. We're in a

990
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,280
place called Profit.

991
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: It's a slew off the Ogna River off of three

992
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,519
twenty eight on the backside of Taylor and Water Valley.

993
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:44,199
Speaker 3: Right.

994
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: So the day I took the shot man, you know,

995
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,480
I finally I finally get my wits about me, and

996
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,639
you know, Allan screaming at me gets pulls me out

997
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:58,800
of whatever happen. Still don't know what happened, and grabbed

998
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,079
the hold of meat and all of a sudden pulling

999
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,119
the trigger was not when I was not what was

1000
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:05,840
on my mind. Well, Alan screams me, pulled the trigger,

1001
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,760
shoot and uh again I was shoving in between his eyes.

1002
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,480
He moved, well hit some bullet stuck hits him directly

1003
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,000
in the eyeball. Well, first of all, he was so

1004
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,719
big it didn't have an exit wound. I didn't see

1005
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,280
the back of his head blowout. I mean, you know, figure,

1006
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,239
shoot somebody you know in the head with and again

1007
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,199
talk about a head.

1008
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: That's five times four or five times the side of

1009
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:29,719
the humite.

1010
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: But I mean there was there was no exit wound.

1011
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:36,639
I didn't see any any blood or brain matter or

1012
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:41,280
whatever go anywhere, and he was still coher Derek, I

1013
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,440
guess still coherent enough to do. Man, you ever watched

1014
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,760
a predator hunt, like especially like a like a thermal

1015
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,440
predator hunt where somebody shoots codis no, only you shoot

1016
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,159
a code and if they don't drop, they turn and

1017
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:58,320
try to like.

1018
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,199
Speaker 3: Like they turn and bite that spot like it's something

1019
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,599
they can pull out, you know, like they can you know,

1020
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,079
and then then his eyebaw, it's socking. So he didn't

1021
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,039
use his mouth, but he reached with his with his

1022
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:14,639
hands and crawed his face all manute, so damn so bad.

1023
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: And it was just like like I couldn't. I couldn't

1024
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,960
stand there and look like I turned away and I

1025
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,679
knew he wouldn't go there. My my, my intuition told

1026
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,880
me he wasn't coming after me. So once I saw

1027
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,239
him go to pulling at his face and stuff, like, man.

1028
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Anyway, anyway, yeah, no, he was. He

1029
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:33,480
was dead. Man.

1030
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,039
Speaker 1: He he slumped over in the water, like I said,

1031
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:39,159
he was so far in the mud, like I should

1032
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:41,679
have if I ever think about it, if I'm out

1033
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:42,199
there fishing.

1034
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: I'll get Alan or.

1035
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: Whoever I'm with to record me, and I'll walk out

1036
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,320
in that water and show you, like how deep it

1037
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,280
is and all this stuff, and how far I sink

1038
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,639
down in the mud. Man he was so I mean,

1039
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:57,599
I couldn't see him what was underwater, but and I

1040
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,760
had to imagine he was near up to his hips

1041
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,800
and walk I mean in the in the mud. And

1042
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,119
when he slumped over, it held him almost perfectly in place.

1043
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: And we had time. I couldn't tell you how long,

1044
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:11,800
but you know in the.

1045
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,119
Speaker 1: Video I sent you we walked all sway around the

1046
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:16,119
end of that salute.

1047
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: We probably walked a mile just to get over there

1048
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,360
to where Blair was at. Right. Well, by the time

1049
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,639
we got over there, he was, you know, he.

1050
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: Has been completely still, like he was dead, dead gone

1051
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:30,159
graveyard did.

1052
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: And uh, you know Blair Blair gets out of there.

1053
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,840
We get our stuff together and get out of there.

1054
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean, man, between the tween the time

1055
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:44,960
that that game warden caught us and us getting back

1056
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,320
there where the game warden saw and excuse me of

1057
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,079
shooting the black bear and all this stuff, and.

1058
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 3: It was probably no more than fifteen minutes. Max fifteen minutes.

1059
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: But fifteen minutes is a long time to be, you know,

1060
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,840
not dead. You just slumped over in the water with

1061
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,719
your with your eye blown out.

1062
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 3: I mean, no, dude, he was dead and it looked.

1063
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,039
Speaker 1: If he wasn't dead by now, I'd probably be a

1064
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,199
dead son of a gun by now, to be honest.

1065
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: But no, he's he's gone. And you know, I don't.

1066
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:27,679
Speaker 1: I don't see how I don't I have There's no

1067
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,400
way he could be alive, No way in the world

1068
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,960
he could be alive. Surely, those those two those two

1069
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,559
game boards called somebody.

1070
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:38,519
Speaker 3: In and they removed that body.

1071
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,639
Speaker 1: That body is surely not still there under that water

1072
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,559
where I was standing when you know, I would like

1073
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,039
to think they removed him, because that's not like I mean,

1074
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,559
if they found a dead black bear, you know, they

1075
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,719
probably probably do something. You know, black bear tagged an

1076
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,280
lots of them, I say, lots of what what ones

1077
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,320
there are are tagged, and the state of Mississippi. You know,

1078
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,840
they wouldn't just leave a black bear somewhere. I imagine

1079
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,440
they extracted the body and took him somewhere, or did

1080
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,840
something disposed of him in some way.

1081
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,199
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, but uh but I

1082
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:17,039
will tell you.

1083
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: That I found out who the game board was not

1084
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,559
going to give not going to give his name out

1085
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:26,840
or anything like that, but I found out who he was,

1086
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,719
and uh I didn't. I found out who the younger guy,

1087
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,199
the one who called us, initially found out who he was.

1088
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,519
And uh, I still don't know the name of the

1089
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:39,960
big guy, the ball dude that he called that the

1090
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,320
younger guy called out there for backup.

1091
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 3: Still don't know who he was. Still not still not

1092
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,760
here on that at all. But dude, if that if

1093
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,159
that thing's not dead, he's dead. There's there's no way

1094
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,039
in the world he's not dead. There's nobody in the

1095
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,000
world can tell me that that thing is still live.

1096
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: Oh, i'd say you're right for all the things you

1097
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:04,519
laid out, I'm sure you are. And yeah, they definitely

1098
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:08,079
collected that body. They weren't gonna even consider leaving that

1099
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,079
dog man out there for other people to come along

1100
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:14,840
and see. So yeah, that's a given long gone. Let's

1101
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,639
bounce back to the night you had that first encounter, Kim.

1102
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,800
I never did ask you about this when we did

1103
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,400
that first episode. Is there any chance, is there any

1104
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,320
possibility that the dog man actually saw you as being

1105
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,320
the one who was going to shoot it right before

1106
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,280
you pulled the trigger.

1107
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,519
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't going well, I thought I wasn't gonna shoot.

1108
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:38,840
I'm not saying I had no plans of shooting. But

1109
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,760
Tyler is the one who said.

1110
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:44,679
Speaker 1: Straight up, he's the man I'm fixing some rabbit, so

1111
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:46,920
I'm fixed shoot. And I didn't even get to tell

1112
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,559
him all. I mean, I started to, but I didn't

1113
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,920
even get to tell it. No, and he just made

1114
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,199
it pleased off Scot And that was man, I was it.

1115
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, that's right. He's the one who shot

1116
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:56,960
the dog man.

1117
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:57,599
Speaker 3: That's right.

1118
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: That's that was why I always I was like, man,

1119
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,920
why did not like you know, why me?

1120
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:06,239
Speaker 3: Poor? Mean? But I always wondered like, why was it?

1121
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,920
Why was he after me? Why did he couse? Man? Dude?

1122
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,599
Speaker 1: When I when I was out on the ground, he

1123
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:15,079
could have killed Tyler that I'm pretty dollar lost his

1124
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,119
gun in the midst all that too, you know what

1125
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,039
I mean, I wouldn't have wait to see it, but

1126
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,400
I'm telling you right now, he didn't hold onto that gun, dude.

1127
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 3: That thing came from nowhere. And next time I looked up.

1128
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: I was ten twelve feet away on the ground before

1129
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,159
I could even open my eyes, you know. But yeah,

1130
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,480
still that's another question I'll probably never never get an

1131
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,840
answer to. It's like why I do not understand why

1132
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,480
why was I target? I mean, it is what it

1133
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,360
is that happened, how it happened, that delt was house,

1134
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,360
dealt with whatever. But still I cannot help but to

1135
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:59,679
wonder why, you know, I mean, I don't know, it's

1136
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,239
a tower. Did he squeezed off that time?

1137
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: It was?

1138
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: And no, Now I followed soon. I'm not saying obviously

1139
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,320
after it, but you know by then. I mean it's

1140
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,519
a what that guy say on Pineapple Express, He's like,

1141
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:14,559
monkey's out of the bottle.

1142
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: Now he ain't. Let's you?

1143
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:20,159
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so you did follow up and shoot. Okay,

1144
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:24,599
maybe after Tyler fired for the first time, that got

1145
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:27,280
the dog Man's attention. It looked up and saw you

1146
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,800
draw down on it, and that right there might explain

1147
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,079
why it decided to focus on you and knock you

1148
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:33,800
off that quad.

1149
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:36,639
Speaker 3: No, no, so so he walks all right?

1150
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: So you know, we we I believe it was the

1151
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:43,320
dog Man that we saw because we we looked our

1152
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,880
eye looked through Tyler's scope at the very end of

1153
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,880
the pasture all right in the video where I'm standing

1154
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:53,719
when I was recording for you, that's where I was

1155
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:56,559
standing that night. That's this I was standing. If there

1156
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:58,719
were footprints that I'd have been standing at him. But

1157
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,400
he was way down at the end of the pasture,

1158
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,800
and it looked like two big old hogs standing next

1159
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,360
to each other or something, which he had time is

1160
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,280
kind of what we thought it was, or a big

1161
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,119
old deer or something.

1162
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: You know. Well, he makes a way to the or

1163
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:14,599
to what was my left.

1164
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,719
Speaker 1: And his right, and and goes up through what is

1165
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,039
what is like a dry creep bed, which is it's

1166
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,960
the way he left out before he came back towards us.

1167
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,559
Is the way he was coming in the second time

1168
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:29,719
I saw him, and he kept walking that way, he'd

1169
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:33,199
have made it he went anyway. So he goes up,

1170
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:36,199
brings brings around the back of that hill and comes

1171
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,880
over that hill. And when he came down, when he

1172
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,639
came down the hill towards us, he was moving like

1173
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:43,480
we heard him. It was loud and man. He stops

1174
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,239
inside the tree line. That was when he stood up

1175
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:49,320
and or that was. That was when that was when

1176
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,960
we were like, what is that? And then he stands up.

1177
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,360
And when he stood up, like I said, I knew,

1178
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:55,440
I knew, I knew what.

1179
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: The game was. Then there was no question just to

1180
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,440
what it was. Now does your mind accept that? No?

1181
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,760
Not right then in that moment it does not. But

1182
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,000
I mean you really you know you don't have a

1183
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:06,519
choice but to deal with it no matter what.

1184
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,159
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean I was, I was, I was

1185
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:14,119
consciously thinking enough to say, you know when Tyler said,

1186
01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:15,679
he said, he said, Cam, I'm fixed shoot that thing.

1187
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,039
I stow and man, it didn't even get all the

1188
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:19,639
way out before he fired that shot.

1189
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,719
Speaker 3: But no, he he went up over that hill.

1190
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:27,639
Speaker 1: Came down, Uh, stopped right at the trees, and then

1191
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:30,119
he stands up and as he stands up, starts to

1192
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:33,280
walk out, and he walks all the way out to

1193
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,960
that great but I think I think it's it's either

1194
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,920
a white oak or a pin oak tree. Not sure

1195
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,159
which one, but uh, that was the only gage of

1196
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:42,440
height I had at that time. Walks out and he's

1197
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,360
standing next to this branch and the part of that

1198
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,039
branch that I measured was like seven seven three seven

1199
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:48,400
four or.

1200
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,239
Speaker 3: Something like that. And uh, you know, now, man, he

1201
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,360
was he was taller than that.

1202
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,079
Speaker 1: I didn't have the right angle, or he was leaned over,

1203
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,679
or I measured the wrong part of the branch because

1204
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:00,760
he's way taller than that. That with every bit av

1205
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,360
talk and uh, he he walks out and he's staring

1206
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,880
at us the whole time. Like, man, that was the

1207
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,039
most tense.

1208
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,519
Speaker 6: Man, you know, in a in a room where if

1209
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,920
you've ever been in close proximity to like a fight,

1210
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,079
like a like a street fight that breaks out and

1211
01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:22,559
you're watching it unfold, you could feel it in the air.

1212
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: You could feel tension between people. You can feel that

1213
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,920
type of thing. Man, there is.

1214
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: No no comparison whatsoever to what you feel being stared

1215
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,559
down by something that size.

1216
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 3: And it's it's it's not it's not a horse, it's

1217
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:38,400
not a cow.

1218
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,159
Speaker 1: Being stared down by something that you are pray for,

1219
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:44,360
which is not something that humans are used to.

1220
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: It's unnatural.

1221
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,719
Speaker 1: There was the feeling and the response that that comes

1222
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,719
to that feeling. Neither one of them are natural to

1223
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,400
the other. But man, he walked out and was staring

1224
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,719
at us the whole time. No, he didn't he didn't

1225
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,559
look up at me and and and see oh oh

1226
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:00,400
oh you shoot.

1227
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no. Tyler shot him and put around

1228
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,840
in him. And as soon as he did, you know,

1229
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,639
cars were on the table with that fan. So all

1230
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:09,480
five of those, right, I didn't. I didn't hit him

1231
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,159
five times. Probably I hit him. I might have hit

1232
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:12,760
him three.

1233
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:16,039
Speaker 1: Times maybe, but uh but man, after after he didn't

1234
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:17,760
move at the power shot.

1235
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: He just kind of flinched, you know, he.

1236
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,039
Speaker 7: Moved and as soon as they get up and helped

1237
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,599
that dop, you know, it was a he didn't move

1238
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:27,760
though after I shot at least once, which is you know,

1239
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,079
that's why it didn't hit I might I might have

1240
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,159
hit him all five times had.

1241
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:30,639
Speaker 3: He stood still.

1242
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:34,199
Speaker 1: But he uh no, he he got his sense in

1243
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,440
him and got out of there and ran over there

1244
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,639
to the trees and turned around and roared at us.

1245
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,639
I mean he turned around. I mean it's I say, roar.

1246
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:45,480
It's roar is the only word that you know. It's

1247
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:47,639
it's such das to sound.

1248
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,519
Speaker 2: Well, you know it is, Kim. I mean, you can

1249
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:53,679
go back and forth on why he singled you out

1250
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:56,199
instead of Tyler until you're bluing the fees I mean,

1251
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:58,480
who knows. Maybe you'll be right about what you come

1252
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,960
to and maybe not, but that's not going to do

1253
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,880
any good. It's just a matter of he did what

1254
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,719
he did. He singled you out, focused on you, and

1255
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,639
that's all there is to it. It's unfortunate, but that's

1256
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:12,480
what happened. I'm just glad that you're okay and you

1257
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,320
can move forward with your life and do what you

1258
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,519
need to do and not worry about this thing coming

1259
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:19,840
after you again. So as long as we can say that,

1260
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,679
thank goodness. But having said that, we're about out of

1261
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,079
time before we do get out of here, though. Do

1262
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:28,079
you have any closing comments you want to share with this.

1263
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 3: Man?

1264
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,559
Speaker 1: Watch your kids like a halt, love your dogs, and

1265
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:39,840
go hug your grandmama and your grandpa because you never

1266
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:40,880
know how long they're going to be.

1267
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:46,039
Speaker 2: With Those are good words, really good words. Cam. Like

1268
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:47,920
I told you before, I can't thank you enough for

1269
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,559
coming back on to update us and all this. Like

1270
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:52,880
I told you, I sure hope this is your last

1271
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,559
time ever having an accounter with a dog man, I

1272
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,039
really do. But if down the road another one ever happens,

1273
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,119
you know to call I'll be there for you.

1274
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: Stay dude. Y'all are awesome.

1275
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're welcome. That's what I'm here for. Well,

1276
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,480
having said that, thanks against so much for your time

1277
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:11,920
and have a good night.