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show he told us about the night when It's aroic
white American bulldog paid the ultimate price trying to protect
him from a dog man that seemed to be intent
on taking him out. Unfortunately, Well after episode five twenty eight,
heared he had more encounters with that dog man. He
came on episodes five forty two and five point fifty
nine to chronicle of those experiences. If you listen to
episode five point fifty nine, you remember how he talked
about this final showdown he had with that dog man. Well,
his fate would happen. About a month ago, he had
a conversation with his grandmother where she came clean to
talk about a traumatic experience as she had had with
that dog man when she was twelve years old. Not
long after that conversation, he reached out to me to
let me know to update me in when he did that,
I asked him if he'd be interested in coming back
on to update all of you. He agreed, so here
we are. But having said all that, let's not waste
any more time. Let's bring him on here now. Cam
thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. Kim, for all the people
who missed episodes five point twenty eight, five forty two,
and five point fifty nine, please tell him about yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a yeah, thirty three years old. I live
in north central Mississippi. I have three daughters, house full
of dogs, married to my beautiful wife.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: Three jobs, and including the stuff I do for myself, I
stay busy. We had two friends of mine actually had
some really, really nasty encounters with the dog man on
my family property where I grew up. I don't live
there anymore, but I had some really nasty experiences out there,
and then again in another place that wasn't you know,
linked to our family's land at all. But I lost
my dog in the process of first nasty encounter that
we had with this thing, ran into it by myself
once completely alone, and your dumb luck or whatever managed
to come out alive and unharmed at that and uh,
there was a morning in an early duck season of
this past year where a friend of mine, different friend
than than uh than the one that was with me
the first go around go out and go hunt stink,
finds us way out in the middle of nowhere, and
I was forced to defend us, you know, as there's
no almost got in trouble with the law. Yes, it's long,
crazy story for those of y'all who haven't heard it,
but it was There's there's a lot more to it
than just that. But that was so the same same
dog man three times and was more or less attacked
on three different occasions.
Speaker 4: And yeah, anyway, that's uh, that's that's what's uh, that's
the content of those three I forget the numbers, but
the episodes that Big mentioned are everything's there.
Speaker 3: If you haven't heard it, listen to it.
Speaker 1: There's there's not enough time in this evening to tell
you the whole story right now if we're going to
talk about anything else.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, not by a long shot. There's a
lot there to go over. And for anyone who's new
listening to the show who missed those episodes, that Kim's
talking about. Those were episodes five twenty eight, five forty two,
and five point fifty nine. Definitely want to go check
those out if you missed them, Kim, Like you mentioned,
unfortunately you lost Dallas. You talked about that in the
first episode you came on episode five twenty eight. What's
your dog situation like now?
Speaker 1: I thought about you the other day after we had
gotten off on one of the two times we reschedule
or whatever. Right afterwards we got another male dog. We
have all the same do we have Breeze. Dallas's daughter
will still have Rosie, who's his girlfriend, wife or whatever.
Now I have my rescue pities to have Riley's. He's
an old lady now. And we did end up getting
another male dog. My wife and I had to come
to a compromise and we got a cocker spaniel.
Speaker 3: His name is Theodore.
Speaker 1: Scared of his own reflection, shadow and anything that moves
that he doesn't know what it is.
Speaker 3: So that is my current dog situation. I love him.
He's a sweet dog.
Speaker 1: Was my kids for sure, but uh, he's THEO man.
He's a He's a little Cocker spaniel, I say, puppy.
He's eight months old. He's a good dog.
Speaker 2: Well that's great. Yeah, he might not rip someone's arm off,
but at least it sounds like a good companion, a
good buddy to have hanging around. So that's still all right.
Speaker 3: Personality, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Now, I'll bet that's how they normally are. Have you
been back to that leak where you came on last
time and told us about that showdown you had with
the dog man?
Speaker 1: I did. I was there after that. I went last year,
like you know, after all that, I didn't. I didn't
go like the following.
Speaker 3: Weekend or anything like that, but I believe I went
out there.
Speaker 1: Two weeks later or something like that. And then I
went with Tyler and Allen this this past opening I
think it November, the twenty eighth opening day of duck season.
Speaker 3: We went.
Speaker 1: There were some discrepancies with my federal duck stamps. I
got a big fat ticket and the game warning asked
us to leave. We didn't do anything like the moral
or wrong. I just I bought a sportsman's package with
my hunt lights is. I thought my federal duck stamp
came with it, and they did not. And Alan made
the same mistake. So we all got tickets and that
was actually the only time I went out there this year.
But I went out there, and I spent the night
by myself, and there was another group.
Speaker 3: Of guys out there. There were several hundred yards from it.
But I did. I went out there. I pulled my
boat and uh, I was at a different part.
Speaker 1: I was at a different part of the sleugh but
uh same you know, same body of water. And uh
it's uh, it wasn't it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 3: Man's that the moon was bright. There's a lot of light.
I made a fire.
Speaker 1: And then, like I said, there were some people like
you know down the way from it. They were they were,
you know, we we could have duck hunted on the
same water safely.
Speaker 3: They were. They were far enough away, but they were
also close enough.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Every now and then you can hear them talking if they.
Speaker 1: Got up and talked too loud. But uh no, I've
I've been. Man, It's it's a beautiful place. Like it's
the part that I showed you I made the video
for you or whatever, and that part that's where everything happened. Well,
I've only hunted there, whie. Actually that one spot, the
main spot is farther on down. It's a great, big,
wide open body of water, which is where I was
this this past open.
Speaker 2: If you're able to go back there and spend the night,
then you can't be doing all that bad. So that's
good news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's man. It's the duck hunting and light deer hunting.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean you can run into people on the public
land deer hunting as well. You know, you walk out
in the in the dark, and you put your you
get up in your stand, you sit up against your tree,
you put your blind up, whatever you do, and then
sun comes up and he looks sixty yards in one direction.
There's a fellow wearing orange up in a tree stand
that never saw you, and you never saw him.
Speaker 3: Walking in.
Speaker 1: Duck hunting can be not just like that, but it's
it's competitive. You know, you've got to get to a
spot and get set up, and you know, be in
a reasonable spot where if somebody comes too close, you
can say, hey, look, I'm over here.
Speaker 3: You don't come close with you know, holos shoot towards
y'all or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it was, it was it was a necessary I say,
I spent the night by myself.
Speaker 3: I was out there by myself. It was twenty eight
grades was so cold.
Speaker 1: I was out there by myself until about two in
the morning, when I went and met Alan at his
truck and uh we both hopped on the four wheler
and hauled in the rest of my stuff which I
didn't feel like carrying, and uh, Tyler met us four
thirty or five. Yeah, with man, it was uh Man,
you know, it's it's not like there's nothing to be
scared of. You know, the dark, the dark unset as
a grown man, the dark unsettles me.
Speaker 3: Before all this happened to me, the dark unsettled me.
Speaker 1: But you know, being out there with Tyler and Allan,
knowing that my problems.
Speaker 5: When it comes to you know, I've always I've only
had I've only had encounters with one dog man in
my life, So you know, in that area, it's it's
been handled.
Speaker 3: It's okay, s all right. I don't I'm.
Speaker 1: Always like my kids still don't go outside at night.
I'm still hypervential. Like I have a gun. Right now,
I'm sitting in this car. I'm twenty feet from my
front door, and I have the same pistol that I
showed you in this same pistol I've had since before
all this even happened.
Speaker 3: But man, we were we we had a little grill.
Speaker 1: We we we grilled some turkey legs that Alan had
from Thanksgiving because Thanksgiving was the day before, and uh man,
we ate hot food on a cold morning, threw decoys
out watch the sun come up, and you know, all
of us paid attention. You know, we we definitely weren't
just carelessly out not watching our back because I mean,
you know, that's that was the first time that all
three of us have been together since that happened. As
a matter of fact, we used to all work together,
and then Power and Alan didn't work together anymore. There's
something between them. But if I could have chose to
be out there with anybody, would have been them, would
have been those two. No, but nobody in the world
would have gotten a spot of one.
Speaker 3: Of those guys.
Speaker 1: And uh man, it was I just that The biggest
thing is that I can still do what I love
to do, because there's there's only a few things outside
of you know, being home with my family that I
like to do and hunt and fishing or you know
those things.
Speaker 3: So I'm just glad that I.
Speaker 1: Can and uh, man, I'll never stop doing I don't
care if I died doing it. You know, it's I
definitely died doing something that I love. Hopefully I don't,
but that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 2: I guess, Well, if you're able to do that that night,
then it sounds like you bounce back really well. Thank
goodness for that. That's right, man, right, that's definitely a
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Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Not that long ago, Kim, your
grandmother dropped the bomb on you. She revealed something that
just blew you away. Please tell us more about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You know, man, So we lost my grandfather on my
Valentine's dat Valentine's Day, my wedding anniversary, or my the
my third wedding anniversary, which means that my grandmother has
been alone for right almost at a year now. We're
about a week out and uh, you know, we've had
this ice storm recently, she's been without power and it's uh,
as have a lot of people.
Speaker 3: It's been been really rough. Man. We were talking and uh.
Speaker 1: So she told me that she had never told my
grandpa or anybody for that matter, about this. She's never
she never talked about it at all up until, you know,
a week or two before my experience has started out
there on the place. But I've still got questions, you know,
I'm I'm still kind of there are things left for
me to ponder and things that.
Speaker 3: I want to know, and I'll probably never know them.
Speaker 1: But so I got a little bit of insight into
where this thing came from, or you know, at least
how long it's been around. So we had a conversation
with my grandmother told me a story and it's one
that I've never heard, and it's one that you know,
my grandmother's she's she's pushing eight, you know what I mean,
there's no she doesn't.
Speaker 3: She doesn't joke much, especially.
Speaker 1: Since Grandpa's been gone her she's not as bright and cheery,
and he certainly doesn't lie, and uh don't have any
reason to. But she explained to me how she came
to experience this dog man when she was younger. And
by younger, I mean she was like twelve years old.
So uh, down this way, way way way down the
same highway, and I might be given too much way here,
but in a place called Union County is where my
grandmother was born and raised, and that's where she was
when she met my grandfather. Well, her maiden name is Jumper,
Peggy Jumper. Well, my Grandpa Jumper, whom I don't remember, great,
big guys a lot like my grandfather. Him and my
grandfather were the best friends, you know, ultimate son in law,
father in law, duo man. They hunted together, they trapped together,
they fished together, did everything together. And he was every
bit as much of an outdoorsman as my grandfather was,
and in an even older fashion, because my Grandpa's old school,
my great Grandpa Jumper is even you know, I mean
he was born in a completely different time. But so
out on their place in Union County, it was much larger.
And then we don't we don't own this propertymore Solda,
but much larger than the place where I grew up,
where my experiences were. And you pull onto this property.
You go through like a cow panel style gate. Well,
of course none of us there now, But when you
pulled up, you looked to the right and there was
the house, the main house, a farm style with a
like a one hundred and eighty degree wrap round for
I guess not full rap round course, but it was
a barn in a workshop, six.
Speaker 3: Ponds on six big stock ponds on this property.
Speaker 1: I think it was something like two hundred and twenty
or two hundred and fifty acres, and uh Man had everything
you needed to live and survive off the grid or.
Speaker 3: You know, however you wanted.
Speaker 1: Well, my grandpa Jumper was a like I said, it
was true outdoors, but he chopped all there on firewood.
They didn't have electricity for a long time. You know,
everything they ate was grown or caught pretty much. You know,
I'm pretty sure they'd go to town like like once
or twice a month something like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it.
Speaker 1: It was much different, And it was my grandma and
Grandpa Jumper and my grandmother and her brother, her little
brother Horace terrible name never did like on horse.
Speaker 3: But this one night, I believe my grandma.
Speaker 1: Jumper was cooking dinner Grandpa jump her tells my grandma,
there's there's commotion in the barn, banging horses, horses carrying on,
all kinds of suff He said, take one of the dogs.
Speaker 3: Go out there and something horses up.
Speaker 1: See what was going on? So, uh, she goes out
to the barn, pulls the door open. Soon she pulls
door open. They had two horses and a mule. Two
horses just.
Speaker 3: They're gone, almost ran her over, knocked knocked the door open.
As soon as she popped the locks. She knocked the
door open.
Speaker 1: Enter with the door, and uh, she said, she walks in,
and you know she's carrying a lantern. All right, Well,
walked in and she said I could see the mule
and something else. The mule was laying flat on the
ground in the lane like it had been drug out
of his stall or made it halfway out. And she
said there was this great, big, weird shaped dog eating him.
They was bent over chewing on him. And she she said,
I got so mad and that I re over. I
grabbed Daddy, split them all off of the you know,
he was to the right inside. I remember it was ragged.
Once thought I was old enough to see it, but
I do. I do have flat memories of it. There
was like a like a workshop table bench to your right,
like right inside the door, and you know, hooks on
the wall and stuff, and there was there was there
was old stuff hanging there from times I remember.
Speaker 3: But she reached over, she said, I reached over.
Speaker 1: And grab a flitting the mall and said hi, And
you screamed it this thing and you know, got his attention.
Speaker 3: And she said, honey, when I tell.
Speaker 1: You that it was the biggest dog I'd ever seen
until I realized that it wasn't a dog.
Speaker 3: She said, it stood up, stood erect on two legs.
Speaker 1: And she said, at that point I was scared and
I turned around ran scream into the house.
Speaker 3: Well at that point, my Grandpa Jumper comes running out
of the house with the gun.
Speaker 1: They this is this is with all seven dogs. This
is where I get my love for dog It comes
from you know this. This is my grandmother technically is
not even my biological grandmother. She's been here my whole
life and has never treated me any differently, but she
has passed things on to me that that don't even
come from genets. That's where I got my love for
dogs from. That's that's what made me love a house
full of dogs. It's been like that since her childhood.
And I'll always have it, you know, I It'll never
be any different. But Grant, Paul Jumper and all the
dogs strike out, and this thing bolts from the barn.
Speaker 3: They all watched it bolts from the barn.
Speaker 1: And when you when you all right, so all this
when you walk onto this property, barn, house, workshop, all
that is.
Speaker 3: Right on top of like a plateau, top of the hill.
And then behind that, behind the buildings, there's a slow
hill that goes down into a great, big, wide open pasture.
Speaker 1: Way to the right side of the passage you can
see the start of a couple of ponds in the trees.
And to the left, at the back of this passion,
there's a trail that goes back to the rest of.
Speaker 3: The property where most of the hunting and stuff was done.
Speaker 1: Well, this thing strikes out back that way, and Grandpa
Jumper and those.
Speaker 3: Dogs chased it all.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was man, it's been years and years
since I was out there. Man, I dare say seven
eight hundred yard I mean it was a big open place.
Speaker 3: They chase this thing all the way to the trees.
Speaker 1: Well, from that night, my Grandpa Jumper said neither her
nor horse were allowed to be outside anywhere near dark
by themselves, and if so, they were to have all
the dogs out.
Speaker 3: And they were to be together. Well, oh, not too long.
Speaker 1: And this this sightings encounters of you know whatever magnitude
went on.
Speaker 3: For a couple of years, two three years.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, she said they would go down you know,
my grandmama would go and pre my my grandmama Jumper
would go and pick you know whatever from the garden,
some vegetables, and they'd have some you know, some some
beef or some some deer meat, and you know where.
And they would go every other day, my grandpa Jumper
and my grandmama or sometimes her and her brother Horse
will go with it would go to one of these
ponds and catch a couple of fish and fish with dinner.
And uh, she said, they got to where every couple
of times they go down there, they'd see this. They
would be in the woods standing at broad daylighting all
day that I'd be standing there staring at him through
the woods.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it'd be.
Speaker 1: Standing there staring at him and the dogs would never
even know, Like that's you know, super super unnerve.
Speaker 3: I can you know, I can't imagine, but.
Speaker 1: Uh, and then you know, jee, she said that the
first time, the first time that they ever saw it,
while they were out fishing.
Speaker 3: You know, they didn't have a four wheeler, they didn't
have three wheel they didn't have anything.
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure my grandpa Jumper had an
old you know, like old beat up four truck or something,
you know, and uh, and they rode horses around the
property most of the time, but they didn't have any
means of running away quickly or anything like that. So
the first time they see this thing down, you know,
at the water's edge, and it was off in the woods,
she said, she said, well, my daddy grabbed me up
under his one arm and turned around and was firing
that shotgun with one hand. And eventually the dogs saw
it and struck out after it, and it was gone.
All the dogs came back, never killed any of the dogs,
never did anything like that.
Speaker 3: But it was there, and it was I mean terrifying. Man.
It's not it's not something you live with on any
kind of normal level.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's but uh, this went on for
a couple year between the ages of twelve and fifteen
for her, and all at once it just kind of
just kind of disappeared.
Speaker 3: And for what reason? You know this this is one
of those things that I wanted.
Speaker 1: Is a question that I have that you know, obviously
nobody is going to be able to answer. But and
she said, and honey, I didn't talk about that because
my Grandpa Jumper was one of those, you know, semi
superstitious people like you kill a snake and hanging on
the fence, it'll rain the next day. I mean old
you know, old farmer style superstition, superstition type of you know,
type of old man.
Speaker 3: And he told her, he said, maybe.
Speaker 1: You know, if this is the end of our time
with that thing, if we if we're done dealing with this,
this is something you should never speak of.
Speaker 3: I believe wholeheartedly. You can speak things into existence or
you can misn't.
Speaker 1: And she took that to heart, because she said, for
sixty three years she never said a single word about
that at all until she told my uncle Horace about
her or mentioned it to my uncle Horace a week
or two before my experience started, which is to me,
is there's there.
Speaker 3: Has to be. I say, there has to be that.
It may not be true.
Speaker 1: It seems to me there's some kind of connect because
I mean sixty three years, sixty three years and then
all of a sudden it shows up on our family's
property out of the blue. And I was about to
say it attacked Tyler, and it did.
Speaker 3: You know, it did.
Speaker 1: Ultimately in the end, it attacked us. But you know
whether that was provoked or not, I don't know, but.
Speaker 3: You know there was.
Speaker 1: There was again, if anybody listened, if anybody remembers me saying,
there was a night when this thing showed itself to
my grandparent, to myself, to my grandparents, to my grandmother
through the bay windows.
Speaker 3: So in their in their dining.
Speaker 1: Room at my grandmother and grandfather's house, there is a
really the dining room in the kitchen is all one thing.
And the back window is I mean the back wind
to the back wall. It's just it's completely full of
windows feeling to form. And she walked in one night
to do I forget what do something in the kitchen
and this thing is standing in the window and she
screamed all her Grandpa went and got his gun, ran
outside after this thing and of course was gone and.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, but again that's type of man.
Speaker 1: He was man.
Speaker 3: He didn't think anything of it was out there and
he was gonna try to shoot something, you know. But uh,
yeah she did.
Speaker 1: She went all that time without without speaking on it
or you know, to anybody for anything.
Speaker 3: And then she asked, Horace.
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but she said, you know something
along lines of do you remember when we were younger?
Speaker 3: You know, like and it's not like, how could you?
How could you forget that?
Speaker 1: And it was talked about right before everything that happened
to me started happening.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I can't shake that in my mind.
Speaker 1: There's some kind of connection there, but it, uh, I mean,
my my grandma was spent again. This never once through
throughout all of all of my goings on, all all
the things that happened to me, all the time I
spent dealing with that, she never said and I'm not
I'm not pad or anything like that, but.
Speaker 3: She never said a word.
Speaker 1: And I know that she meant, you know that she
you know, she took what my Grandpa Jumper said to
heart because I would have heard about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's I knowing my grandmama.
Speaker 1: I figured now again hindsight b Twenty twenty, I figured
she would have come to me and said, baby, you gotta,
you gotta leave that thing along, you gotta stay away,
you gotta. You know, I've seen this before. I mean,
that's that's the type of one my grandmama is. But
she did not do that. She never said a word.
And it's, uh, I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: She said it.
Speaker 1: Now we've you know, it's it's out there and you know,
it's not like it's a problem anymore. I mean she was,
she was, you know, she was beside herself when I
told her what had happened with me and Alan out
there at at at our at our at.
Speaker 3: Our hunt spot, you know. And uh, I just it's it's.
Speaker 1: It's not comforting to know that somebody else other than me,
Tyler Allen, you know, dealt with this. But there is
some kind of I don't even know what I'm trying
to say right now, there's there's some kind of there's
some kind of comfort knowing that.
Speaker 3: That you know, grandmama saw it too.
Speaker 1: You know, it was I mean, if we're if we're
being technical, my grandfather never saw it. He never once
laid eyes on it. I mean, but she did, and uh,
you know, and now she lives alone in a house
by herself, on a property where it where it showed
itself at one point here, but I guess once to her.
But I mean, and right now, there's you know, this
ice storm came through.
Speaker 3: There's no power.
Speaker 1: I've got her a generator over there, and I cut
her a footload of firewood. She's keeping a good fire
going the house as a warm and all that stuff.
But she's essentially in a dark house by herself right now,
where she knows this thing has been before, you know,
whether whether it's gone or not, like if that's got.
Speaker 3: To have some kind of effect on it. You know,
she's she's one of those people.
Speaker 1: She's she's from this same generation that that my grandfather
was from, and uh, you know, they're different, they're different people.
But uh, you know it it happened to her what
not exactly what happened to me, but.
Speaker 3: In a way what happened to me happened to her.
Speaker 1: And I've still got questions, but uh, I just I
had to tell I had to tell Vick about it.
Speaker 3: Like there was no way that.
Speaker 1: It was on my mind for a little while. You know,
I thought, I thought, and I was like, what what.
Speaker 3: Could it have to do? You know, what, what what
what could be.
Speaker 1: The correlation between her you know, talking about it, and
then just ooh, you know and in the next within
a month, within two weeks, you know, I mean, it happens.
Speaker 3: I just kind of blown away, kind.
Speaker 1: Of taken aback that, hey, I didn't hear about it
sooner and b that, you know, it's hard for me
to believe there's no correlation between those those two things.
And I also and again that this is something Vic
said that there's no way to prove there's no you know,
and he's exactly right, But that has to be the same.
It's got to be the same dog. It's got to
there's no way. I mean, I don't know if it
was like a family curse or some kind of Yeah,
it seems weird. It seems weird for me to even
say that something's weird with what I've seen and dealt with,
but weird. Nonetheless, I don't I don't know, but uh,
my grandmother saw and dealt with this. My grandmother, Grandpa jump,
her Grandmama Jumper, and you know, her brother, Horace, many
they all saw and dealt with it.
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's.
Speaker 1: Been in the family for a long time something. I'm
not sure what, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was just like a like a truth bomb. You know,
it's like, where did this come from? Why are you
just not.
Speaker 3: Telling me this? But I did. I had. I had
to tell Vick.
Speaker 1: I had to ask what he thought, and uh, it's
got nice to get it off my chest.
Speaker 3: You know, I've I haven't other other than my.
Speaker 1: My you know, regular I say dog man related thought.
I don't sit around thinking about dog Man. I just
when I walk to my truck in the dark, you know,
I keep my hand on my gun sometimes, and you
know when like when my wife gets home and it's dark,
like I walk outside on the porch, I let the
dogs out, and I always meet her and come.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm never gonna not do those things.
Speaker 1: But other than that, man, I haven't thought about it
at all hardly, you know, not not anymore than you
know your common sense will tell you to, hey, have
a healthy fear or something. But a man, I got questions.
It's weird, and I wanted to share it with Vic,
and Vic thought it was great. I did to share
it with everybody else, you know, so I'm open to
put anybody else thinks too.
Speaker 3: I'm just that's as good as mine.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're not obsessed with it, and consequently you
can do what you need to do on a day
and out basis, because if you were so obsessed on
this whole dog man thing, the experiences you had, then
it really wouldn't be any good at all. It really would.
And thinking back to what you told us about all
those experiences you had with that dog men, or possibly
several dog men, it sounded to me like every time
you had an encounter, the dog men you encountered seemed
almost recognize yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, I mean I don't see yeah,
I mean that's for me. I guess that wasn't even
in question. I mean it was, you know when, but
the first that that first night December. This I say
first night, I guess it was early morning at that
point December. The third man that day is burned in
that day night whatever is absolutely burned into my mind.
Like I mean, I've never I've never stared something down
that way. I've never been stared down that way. You know,
there's no, there's not a question in my mind as
to whether or not.
Speaker 3: It knew. It's weird to say that.
Speaker 1: It's weird to talk about to get it's it's weird
to use personification to give human traits characteristic to something
that's not. But yeah, no, no, no, there's there's no
question absolutely whether it knows my name or yeah that
I don't know about that. But you know, a dog
smells you once, they'll remember you forever as long as
I can smell you again. You might grow your beer down,
let your hair get long, or something, and they may
not visibly be able to see like, oh I know
that person, but yeah, I know, and this man, there's
you know, dogs are smart. Dogs are dogs are extremely intelligent.
Speaker 3: But you know.
Speaker 1: There's like human DNA in these things somewhere, because there
is what I would say is near human intelligence, like.
Speaker 3: The you know, the the second time when I when
I was all alone, man, it was Uh. If that
wasn't recognition, then I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: Because man, when he thought he was fixing to get
after that dough, he thought he was fixing to catch him,
and that dough dipped out on him and struck out,
and uh did when I tell you, my heart jumped
into my throat when I realized the wind was at
my back, like.
Speaker 3: Anyway, man, he looks up at me, and.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how many seconds went by
before I screamed at him like it and uh, I
just he looked square at me, look me, square in
the face, like eye contact, not like a dog that
has shaky eye cond if you stare at him too long,
he'll look away. And it's aid, no, dude, I mean
it was. It's it's so much more than that, so
much more than that, so unnatural and terrifying. I just
you know it really, it really is scary, like it's you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't get scared the way some other people.
Speaker 1: Do, but I still do experience, obviously experience fear.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not without fear. But you're talking about
something that's.
Speaker 1: Probably probably ancient, you know, if it was around when
my grandmother was you know, I mean, you're telling how
long these things live or how long they stay around.
And you know, but he did, he looked square in
my face, square in my face, and was and uh
and you know, and and then after that, when I
when I when I was able to squeeze off those
shots man and and drill him with a couple of them.
Speaker 3: He reached and he grabbed, but he still looked at me.
He you know, it caught him off guard.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe because I didn't shoot him, and maybe
he didn't know what a pistol was.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just the question I have that
I'll probably never be answered. But I fired on him,
popped him.
Speaker 1: He reaches, he grabs, looks down as he grabs, and
then looks immediately back up at me. Which was the
you know, right at the right, at the moment where
I got the you know, like I'll get you, I'll
get you. Your time's coming, I'll get you. Like it again, man,
there's there was not a it's not the voice in
your head. It's not you don't hear it. His lips
don't move, his mouth doesn't open. But there is absolutely
no problem portraying what he wants you to feel or
to to to understand. So yeah, I mean, if, if, if,
if he can do all that recognition is definitely what
it was. There's no there's no question in my mind,
like it was. And if he didn't recognize me. How
did he come out here? I mean, I'm serious, man,
I live. I live twenty six miles twenty six point
something miles from the city limits of Oxford.
Speaker 3: And then there's addition.
Speaker 1: There's an additional probably twenty fifteen to twenty miles between
there and my grandparents house.
Speaker 3: So in total all.
Speaker 1: Thought, I probably lived forty miles away and that thing
found me up here on the hill where I live.
If he didn't know it was me, then I need
to be playing the line. I need to be buying
lottery tickets. If he found me all the way out
here on fans, you know it was. I don't know
what it is. I've heard people say marked, so that's
what I said, and it sounds right, it seems right.
I don't know what it is if that's not what
it is. But yeah, I know he definitely knew who
I was. He definitely had had my number or you know,
whatever however you want to say it.
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, there's just why and how.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know, and I probably never will, but
you're exactly right, And I wish I had an explanation
for why, you know, But no, yeah, no, he definitely
recognized me, there's no, there's no.
Speaker 3: Your bottle.
Speaker 2: It sure sounds like he did. If that was the
same dog man that your grandma had that experience with.
Did you see anything in his coach or any other
features that made him look like he had some me, jhonam.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean, you know he The only difference
I ever really noticed in his appearance was, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Between the first time, the first run in.
Speaker 1: And the second time. Man, there was say that was
December to October, that was ten months, it went nine
nine to ten months, say ten, And it looked slightly
not smaller, like shorter, but.
Speaker 3: Like he had missed a meal or something.
Speaker 1: And I again, I think power and I really really
really really injured him. Like I'm telling you, dude, there
was so much blood on the ground. Man, you know,
some of some of it was Dallas, some of us,
some of it was dog blood, and you know, but
most most of it was him. Most of it was him.
I mean, man, he got shot so many times that night,
you know, And I don't think that uh, maybe maybe
we shot him and we heard him and he couldn't
hunt or catch food, like because I said, I watched
the deer get away from him. I watched it dough
absolute like like basketball. Pump faked him like her head
went one way like she was fixing to go left,
and then she came. She struck out to the right
and he missed, completely missed, and didn't even bother to
go after her again.
Speaker 3: And it looked like he was frustrated. Like he shook.
He shook like a dog. Man. He shook and was
like I mean, you ever seen a dog like you
hear tell your dog like no, you go let down
right now, and they go let down. They go and
they freaking huff at.
Speaker 1: It was like he did that without the huff like
there was you know, I could see the frustration in him.
The only physical difference I ever saw was that he
looked a little bit smaller that time.
Speaker 3: You know, whether he did or didn't the day when
I finally shot him, I don't. I don't think still,
I don't think there's anything different there. But I guess
if you're asking like great hair or anything.
Speaker 1: Now, man, he was like like gun metal gray, like
dark dark gray, not black.
Speaker 3: Wasn't black.
Speaker 1: I mean it was the color that the gun metal
is my favorite gray that there's ever been. I remember
that was the color that the H two Hummers were
when they came out.
Speaker 3: When I was little, I was like.
Speaker 1: Man, I loved that books just like that. I believe
I was clod Well. I guess it was dark first night,
but I mean, I've seen him in broad daylight twice
and I don't see gray.
Speaker 3: Hair on his face. I don't see. Then again, I
didn't see genitalia or a tail. Didn't have either one
of those. So I don't know. I don't know. I
mean he I don't know how long they live. He
could have shown signs of agent, but not me. I
didn't see it.
Speaker 2: Well, there's so many things about these guys we don't know.
We don't know if they even do show age, and
if they do show age, what kind of signs do
they show. Listen to you talk about how he looked thinner.
Sounds like he just might be feeling the effects or
might have been feeling the effects from what you guys
did to him that first night. It's really hard to say.
Speaker 3: Ye know, I never know the truth. And you know, really,
at this point, it doesn't even matter. It's not my
problem anymore. Not my problem. Life has been good, man,
it really has. I've been blessed I've been. I'm the
busiest broke dude you ever meet in your life, you know,
And I stay busy. My family's healthy.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to look over my over my shoulder,
I'm always going to carry a gun.
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna let my kids outside after dark again.
But man, other than those.
Speaker 1: Things, and you know, those aren't those aren't bad ways
to be anyway, you know, But I just I make
them all, you know, I take them all very seriously,
more seriously than I have a kid now.
Speaker 3: But other than that, man, life is great. Like life
is really really good. And even even with all.
Speaker 1: This this ice and this ice storm that came to
it is real hard. Like my grandmother's still alive and breathing,
and you know her power will be back on soon.
Speaker 3: My whole family's shipping in to take care of her.
I mean, it's you know, we're doing well, doing really well,
and it's a.
Speaker 1: There was there was a time when that was not
the case. I was scared for literally every member of
my immediate family that I see on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: But that's a.
Speaker 1: Physically has been dealt with emotionally, you and you know,
all the so big the other day, man, people in
the comment I read some of them, you know, back
back when we did these things, back when we recorded
you know what happened and all that stuff, and uh,
the people in the comments were just like, I don't
believe anybody had anything bad to say, Like it was,
there was some stuff I didn't quite agree with or whatever,
and then it is what it is. But most everybody
was like, wow, we love Dallas. We never met him.
You're a good part, like y'all were. Just everybody was
so nice, man. The physical side and the emotional side
both received, you know, attention and healing, and it was
a it was.
Speaker 3: Thanks to you and all the nice people that listened
to you.
Speaker 1: And it's been absolutely been a year and a couple
of months.
Speaker 3: It's been, uh, it's been a while, but it's it's
it's ultimately turned out, you know, it turned out good man.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it has been quite a year for you.
And I told you, you know, all the listeners they
loved you, and for good reason. I mean, after all,
you've got a great personality and there's just something about you,
well besides the fact that you sound like big Nasty
from the movie Convoy there's something else about you too
that you just have to love.
Speaker 3: Oh man, man, it's a I don't know, it's it's
it's it's freeing, you know, it's really it truly is
like it's the relief. It's just just freeings and stay
you know.
Speaker 1: You know, talking and letting it go and all that
stuff that not a lot of people do or are
even good at.
Speaker 3: And I guess it's just easy for me to, you know, and.
Speaker 1: When when you're talking to somebody, you know, talking to
somebody like you, it's just easier in general to let
it all out because I don't I listened to several
podcasts like I like like bank robbery stories and you know,
and and things like that and even scary story you know,
but you know, most of the time you watch the
podcast and the host is like interrupting everybody, and it's
you know, it's not the same here. This this is
the place, you know, as I've experienced firsthand, this place
where I.
Speaker 3: Mean people people come and talk about crazy stuff. Here. Man,
Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely off the wall insane. To anybody who's
never who's never experienced it firsthand, this this would all
sound completely and totally bonkers and ridiculous, like it wouldn't
happened to me, had not happened to me, and it
happened to somebody else. And I was listening as somebody
had listened to me, Like, I'm not gonna say the
first thing I would say is this dude is idiot?
Speaker 3: How crazy can you get?
Speaker 1: But you know, try to go tell, you know, a normal, everyday,
sane person that's never experienced them like this, a story
like this, and then tell them and be like, hey,
look that's a true story that happened to me.
Speaker 3: And see see how they look at you, see how
they talk to you.
Speaker 1: You know, but in this place here, it is not
like that. And it's a man, it worked out for me.
Speaker 3: I love all y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all are such helping you don't even freaking know it,
you know, but the you know, And that's why that's
why I doesn't. I probably might would have kept, you know,
what my grandmother told me recently to myself, but you know,
it's it's maybe y'all wanted to know.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: You know, y'all had y'all had great positive feedback.
Speaker 3: On on the you know, on the the whole, the
whole ordeal that I went through, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad to be able to talk to
y'all and tell y'all and just.
Speaker 3: That people are listening.
Speaker 1: It's I'm not going to sit down and go talk
to a shrink, but uh, you know, vig has a
way that you talk within if you don't feel like
you're sitting in a shrink. Songice so thankful for Victim,
for this platform and for the nice people who listen
to it.
Speaker 2: I'm all so glad to give you the platform to
do it. And I told you the listeners are great people.
They really are, and I'm so glad that they're able
to hear your experiences and help support you. That's what
this is all about. Just a moment ago, you mentioned
looking over your shoulder due to the connection you think
that there was between your grandmother talking about that dog
man and then you're going on to have your first
encounter a short time after that. Does that mean that
you're convinced that that dog me in is was a
supernatural being or do you think it might be something else.
Speaker 1: As going too man, because I mean, how don't kill
some supernatural?
Speaker 3: You know, i'd like, I've.
Speaker 1: Seen it bleed, so if I guess so straight upway
for me to answer that. If there's the best I
can say is if it is supernatural.
Speaker 3: If it was supernatural completely, then how would it have died?
You know what I mean? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think a bullet will hurt, will hurt like
a go I mean, hey, look those can be real too, dude.
But you know what would a bullet hurt a ghost?
I mean I don't. Maybe maybe that's a bad Maybe
that's comparing you know, apples and coconuts or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean it would have to
be some kind of I don't know what word to you,
supernatural means. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's there's there's got to be some kind of supernatural
to it, because I mean, my grandmama told me that's
what she saw that night.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's the one, that's him, That's what I saw that night.
And man, he look, dude, if she says it, man,
my grand she ain't never lied.
Speaker 3: She don't tell lies.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just she has no reason to
lie to me. I have every every I mean, hey,
look unless I'm just so, you know, unless what happened
to me was a freak occurrence, which man, I just
can't swallow that. I can't swallow it. I absolutely cannot
swallow it. So I mean, there has to be some
kind of I mean, I don't know, man, I mean,
look look at look at crocodiles, alligators, humongous, you know,
alligator snapping turtles.
Speaker 3: They can let to be over one hundred years old,
you know. I mean, there's there are animals in this
world that lived.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, large, large snakes, alligators, turtles, it's
mostly reptiles. I guess now that I'm saying all this,
but that doesn't mean that nothing else can be that way.
Speaker 3: So maybe it's not that.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just one of those things where you know,
longevity is is present.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 1: It's either something like that or there is some some
kind of a supernatural side too.
Speaker 3: But then again, and that conflicts.
Speaker 1: With you know, I mean, I know they can bleed
by and I'm not the only person who can attest that.
I know two other people who can tell you that
from personal experience.
Speaker 3: But I always growing up watching where wolf because I'm not.
That's not a joke.
Speaker 1: That's not to be that's not some corny crap that
Vic put in the caption of the first thing we did.
Speaker 3: I really did love werewolf movies growing up. I know
this isn't a where wife.
Speaker 1: I realize now there's a difference between a were wolf
and a were wolf is a person that turns into
or morphs into an animal, like you know whatever, and
a dog man is just that way, and that's what
they are all the time.
Speaker 3: How where they came from? Have no no idea, but.
Speaker 1: All this, I mean, this is so crazy to talk about,
so wild, Like these questions I have are not normal questions.
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing normal about dog men. So yeah, it's understandable,
it really is. You said that you saw it bleed.
How sure are you that it was dead that day?
Speaker 1: Oh dude, no, no, no, So we like I said, man,
we I took the shot and uh, and then I
guess he bled then.
Speaker 3: But man, what I what I'm.
Speaker 1: Referring to when I say I saw him bleed was
when when he when he tackled me off the four
wheeler right after he killed my dog?
Speaker 3: When when Tyler, I mean I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't see blood running down him, but there it
was kind of dark, but there was blood all over
the brown like the grass. The grass was just completely
blood red in spots, like big spots. And then, you know,
you shoot a deer one time, normally ninety percent of
the time, there's enough blood for you to track, you know,
some every now and then you lose deer, you got
to call somebody in with a dog or a drone
or something that you know. But you shoot a deer
one time with a deer right said? Two forty three
is what Tyler hunts with. You shoot a deer one
time with the two forty three, there's normally a blood
trail that you can follow if you sue them correctly.
Speaker 3: Man, we pumped so many round between.
Speaker 1: Two rifles, and to be honest with you, my three
o eight is something I've got to stop hunting with it.
Speaker 3: I ruined the.
Speaker 1: Far side shoulder of every deer that I shoot, every
one of them.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of penetrate powers. Man.
Speaker 1: It was so I mean it was it was nasty, nasty,
just chunks of coagulated blood on the ground, you know,
And uh, I mean, no, dude, when I shot him
that day out at out I'll.
Speaker 3: Say where it was. We were at a place called Profit.
I don't know if I said that. We're in a
place called Profit.
Speaker 1: It's a slew off the Ogna River off of three
twenty eight on the backside of Taylor and Water Valley.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So the day I took the shot man, you know,
I finally I finally get my wits about me, and
you know, Allan screaming at me gets pulls me out
of whatever happen. Still don't know what happened, and grabbed
the hold of meat and all of a sudden pulling
the trigger was not when I was not what was
on my mind. Well, Alan screams me, pulled the trigger,
shoot and uh again I was shoving in between his eyes.
He moved, well hit some bullet stuck hits him directly
in the eyeball. Well, first of all, he was so
big it didn't have an exit wound. I didn't see
the back of his head blowout. I mean, you know, figure,
shoot somebody you know in the head with and again
talk about a head.
Speaker 3: That's five times four or five times the side of
the humite.
Speaker 1: But I mean there was there was no exit wound.
I didn't see any any blood or brain matter or
whatever go anywhere, and he was still coher Derek, I
guess still coherent enough to do. Man, you ever watched
a predator hunt, like especially like a like a thermal
predator hunt where somebody shoots codis no, only you shoot
a code and if they don't drop, they turn and
try to like.
Speaker 3: Like they turn and bite that spot like it's something
they can pull out, you know, like they can you know,
and then then his eyebaw, it's socking. So he didn't
use his mouth, but he reached with his with his
hands and crawed his face all manute, so damn so bad.
Speaker 1: And it was just like like I couldn't. I couldn't
stand there and look like I turned away and I
knew he wouldn't go there. My my, my intuition told
me he wasn't coming after me. So once I saw
him go to pulling at his face and stuff, like, man.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Anyway, anyway, yeah, no, he was. He
was dead. Man.
Speaker 1: He he slumped over in the water, like I said,
he was so far in the mud, like I should
have if I ever think about it, if I'm out
there fishing.
Speaker 3: I'll get Alan or.
Speaker 1: Whoever I'm with to record me, and I'll walk out
in that water and show you, like how deep it
is and all this stuff, and how far I sink
down in the mud. Man he was so I mean,
I couldn't see him what was underwater, but and I
had to imagine he was near up to his hips
and walk I mean in the in the mud. And
when he slumped over, it held him almost perfectly in place.
Speaker 3: And we had time. I couldn't tell you how long,
but you know in the.
Speaker 1: Video I sent you we walked all sway around the
end of that salute.
Speaker 3: We probably walked a mile just to get over there
to where Blair was at. Right. Well, by the time
we got over there, he was, you know, he.
Speaker 1: Has been completely still, like he was dead, dead gone
graveyard did.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know Blair Blair gets out of there.
We get our stuff together and get out of there.
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean, man, between the tween the time
that that game warden caught us and us getting back
there where the game warden saw and excuse me of
shooting the black bear and all this stuff, and.
Speaker 3: It was probably no more than fifteen minutes. Max fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: But fifteen minutes is a long time to be, you know,
not dead. You just slumped over in the water with
your with your eye blown out.
Speaker 3: I mean, no, dude, he was dead and it looked.
Speaker 1: If he wasn't dead by now, I'd probably be a
dead son of a gun by now, to be honest.
Speaker 3: But no, he's he's gone. And you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see how I don't I have There's no
way he could be alive, No way in the world
he could be alive. Surely, those those two those two
game boards called somebody.
Speaker 3: In and they removed that body.
Speaker 1: That body is surely not still there under that water
where I was standing when you know, I would like
to think they removed him, because that's not like I mean,
if they found a dead black bear, you know, they
probably probably do something. You know, black bear tagged an
lots of them, I say, lots of what what ones
there are are tagged, and the state of Mississippi. You know,
they wouldn't just leave a black bear somewhere. I imagine
they extracted the body and took him somewhere, or did
something disposed of him in some way.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, but uh but I
will tell you.
Speaker 1: That I found out who the game board was not
going to give not going to give his name out
or anything like that, but I found out who he was,
and uh I didn't. I found out who the younger guy,
the one who called us, initially found out who he was.
And uh, I still don't know the name of the
big guy, the ball dude that he called that the
younger guy called out there for backup.
Speaker 3: Still don't know who he was. Still not still not
here on that at all. But dude, if that if
that thing's not dead, he's dead. There's there's no way
in the world he's not dead. There's nobody in the
world can tell me that that thing is still live.
Speaker 2: Oh, i'd say you're right for all the things you
laid out, I'm sure you are. And yeah, they definitely
collected that body. They weren't gonna even consider leaving that
dog man out there for other people to come along
and see. So yeah, that's a given long gone. Let's
bounce back to the night you had that first encounter, Kim.
I never did ask you about this when we did
that first episode. Is there any chance, is there any
possibility that the dog man actually saw you as being
the one who was going to shoot it right before
you pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't going well, I thought I wasn't gonna shoot.
I'm not saying I had no plans of shooting. But
Tyler is the one who said.
Speaker 1: Straight up, he's the man I'm fixing some rabbit, so
I'm fixed shoot. And I didn't even get to tell
him all. I mean, I started to, but I didn't
even get to tell it. No, and he just made
it pleased off Scot And that was man, I was it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, that's right. He's the one who shot
the dog man.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: That's that was why I always I was like, man,
why did not like you know, why me?
Speaker 3: Poor? Mean? But I always wondered like, why was it?
Why was he after me? Why did he couse? Man? Dude?
Speaker 1: When I when I was out on the ground, he
could have killed Tyler that I'm pretty dollar lost his
gun in the midst all that too, you know what
I mean, I wouldn't have wait to see it, but
I'm telling you right now, he didn't hold onto that gun, dude.
Speaker 3: That thing came from nowhere. And next time I looked up.
Speaker 1: I was ten twelve feet away on the ground before
I could even open my eyes, you know. But yeah,
still that's another question I'll probably never never get an
answer to. It's like why I do not understand why
why was I target? I mean, it is what it
is that happened, how it happened, that delt was house,
dealt with whatever. But still I cannot help but to
wonder why, you know, I mean, I don't know, it's
a tower. Did he squeezed off that time?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 1: And no, Now I followed soon. I'm not saying obviously
after it, but you know by then. I mean it's
a what that guy say on Pineapple Express, He's like,
monkey's out of the bottle.
Speaker 3: Now he ain't. Let's you?
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so you did follow up and shoot. Okay,
maybe after Tyler fired for the first time, that got
the dog Man's attention. It looked up and saw you
draw down on it, and that right there might explain
why it decided to focus on you and knock you
off that quad.
Speaker 3: No, no, so so he walks all right?
Speaker 1: So you know, we we I believe it was the
dog Man that we saw because we we looked our
eye looked through Tyler's scope at the very end of
the pasture all right in the video where I'm standing
when I was recording for you, that's where I was
standing that night. That's this I was standing. If there
were footprints that I'd have been standing at him. But
he was way down at the end of the pasture,
and it looked like two big old hogs standing next
to each other or something, which he had time is
kind of what we thought it was, or a big
old deer or something.
Speaker 3: You know. Well, he makes a way to the or
to what was my left.
Speaker 1: And his right, and and goes up through what is
what is like a dry creep bed, which is it's
the way he left out before he came back towards us.
Is the way he was coming in the second time
I saw him, and he kept walking that way, he'd
have made it he went anyway. So he goes up,
brings brings around the back of that hill and comes
over that hill. And when he came down, when he
came down the hill towards us, he was moving like
we heard him. It was loud and man. He stops
inside the tree line. That was when he stood up
and or that was. That was when that was when
we were like, what is that? And then he stands up.
And when he stood up, like I said, I knew,
I knew, I knew what.
Speaker 3: The game was. Then there was no question just to
what it was. Now does your mind accept that? No?
Not right then in that moment it does not. But
I mean you really you know you don't have a
choice but to deal with it no matter what.
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean I was, I was, I was
consciously thinking enough to say, you know when Tyler said,
he said, he said, Cam, I'm fixed shoot that thing.
I stow and man, it didn't even get all the
way out before he fired that shot.
Speaker 3: But no, he he went up over that hill.
Speaker 1: Came down, Uh, stopped right at the trees, and then
he stands up and as he stands up, starts to
walk out, and he walks all the way out to
that great but I think I think it's it's either
a white oak or a pin oak tree. Not sure
which one, but uh, that was the only gage of
height I had at that time. Walks out and he's
standing next to this branch and the part of that
branch that I measured was like seven seven three seven
four or.
Speaker 3: Something like that. And uh, you know, now, man, he
was he was taller than that.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the right angle, or he was leaned over,
or I measured the wrong part of the branch because
he's way taller than that. That with every bit av
talk and uh, he he walks out and he's staring
at us the whole time. Like, man, that was the
most tense.
Speaker 6: Man, you know, in a in a room where if
you've ever been in close proximity to like a fight,
like a like a street fight that breaks out and
you're watching it unfold, you could feel it in the air.
Speaker 3: You could feel tension between people. You can feel that
type of thing. Man, there is.
Speaker 1: No no comparison whatsoever to what you feel being stared
down by something that size.
Speaker 3: And it's it's it's not it's not a horse, it's
not a cow.
Speaker 1: Being stared down by something that you are pray for,
which is not something that humans are used to.
Speaker 3: It's unnatural.
Speaker 1: There was the feeling and the response that that comes
to that feeling. Neither one of them are natural to
the other. But man, he walked out and was staring
at us the whole time. No, he didn't he didn't
look up at me and and and see oh oh
oh you shoot.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no. Tyler shot him and put around
in him. And as soon as he did, you know,
cars were on the table with that fan. So all
five of those, right, I didn't. I didn't hit him
five times. Probably I hit him. I might have hit
him three.
Speaker 1: Times maybe, but uh but man, after after he didn't
move at the power shot.
Speaker 3: He just kind of flinched, you know, he.
Speaker 7: Moved and as soon as they get up and helped
that dop, you know, it was a he didn't move
though after I shot at least once, which is you know,
that's why it didn't hit I might I might have
hit him all five times had.
Speaker 3: He stood still.
Speaker 1: But he uh no, he he got his sense in
him and got out of there and ran over there
to the trees and turned around and roared at us.
I mean he turned around. I mean it's I say, roar.
It's roar is the only word that you know. It's
it's such das to sound.
Speaker 2: Well, you know it is, Kim. I mean, you can
go back and forth on why he singled you out
instead of Tyler until you're bluing the fees I mean,
who knows. Maybe you'll be right about what you come
to and maybe not, but that's not going to do
any good. It's just a matter of he did what
he did. He singled you out, focused on you, and
that's all there is to it. It's unfortunate, but that's
what happened. I'm just glad that you're okay and you
can move forward with your life and do what you
need to do and not worry about this thing coming
after you again. So as long as we can say that,
thank goodness. But having said that, we're about out of
time before we do get out of here, though. Do
you have any closing comments you want to share with this.
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Watch your kids like a halt, love your dogs, and
go hug your grandmama and your grandpa because you never
know how long they're going to be.
Speaker 2: With Those are good words, really good words. Cam. Like
I told you before, I can't thank you enough for
coming back on to update us and all this. Like
I told you, I sure hope this is your last
time ever having an accounter with a dog man, I
really do. But if down the road another one ever happens,
you know to call I'll be there for you.
Speaker 3: Stay dude. Y'all are awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're welcome. That's what I'm here for. Well,
having said that, thanks against so much for your time
and have a good night.