WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.320 Welcome to spacing out with BB and Jason this week 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:13.000 covering Foundation season two, episode eight, The Last Empress. 3 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:16.160 Welcome to spacey Now. 4 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:19.640 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:23.440 Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a 6 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.559 time and spoiler free. This is our first watch through 7 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.079 the series, so we have not seen anything after this episode. 8 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:35.280 And in this episode, enjoiner Rue confides in Dusk about 9 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.600 her distrust of demerzal cober Mallow pulls a daring move, 10 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.920 and Day sets courts for Terminus and the Foundation. Man. 11 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.000 I made the choice to start going with these shorter 12 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:47.799 plot descriptions, but like, I feel like way more happened 13 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:48.560 to this episode. 14 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:55.079 Yeah, vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? 15 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:59.479 I liked it. Well, it's good. We should continue watching this. 16 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:03.600 Show, all right? In the podcast, No, I also thought 17 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.000 it was really good and really engaging. Like there was 18 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:09.640 times I was like in the episode, still going. I 19 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:12.000 feel like there's already been so much talk about Chow. 20 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:13.120 I kept going. 21 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.480 But I'm glad that our tone on the show has 22 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:17.200 kind of changed. 23 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.319 Yeah. Well, I think the structure of the show changed 24 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.439 a lot and it made it more. 25 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.439 Enjoyable to watch yep. As we are cruising up on 26 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.120 the ending, well, the end of the season. 27 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:35.280 Trivia time, What facts or news could we uncover for 28 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:36.239 the Last Empress? 29 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:39.879 All right? This is Foundation season two, episode eight, The 30 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:44.359 Last Empress. It's originally aired on September one, twenty twenty three, 31 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.439 written by Liz Ping, Addie Mannis and Bob Ultra, and 32 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:52.480 directed by Roxanne Dawson. Roxanne Dawson is an actress as 33 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.040 well as a director, and she's best known for the 34 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:59.400 role of Bailana Torres on Star Trek Voyager, a half 35 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:00.879 cling on high human character. 36 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.280 Oooh, we need to watch that. 37 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.359 And she has directed over one hundred episodes of television, 38 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.840 including several Star Trek episodes, Crossing Jordan, Cold Case Heroes, 39 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.240 Agents of Shield, and four episodes of Foundation. And then 40 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.319 our writers we have Liz Pang, who has done some 41 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:20.680 work on Yellowjackets, Lock and Key and The Haunting of Hillhouse. 42 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.680 And the other writers we have Addie Mannis, who's primarily 43 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.400 worked in visual effects, and Bob Ultra, who doesn't have 44 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.120 any other writing credits but has several producer credits. So 45 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.639 that is the team on this episode. 46 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:40.039 Deep Space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts 47 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:43.199 on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us 48 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:46.960 through email or social media. We may use your comments 49 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.319 on an upcoming episode. 50 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:53.680 So we start off with the cloud Handmaid and digging 51 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.360 through the robots stuff. Yep, and I didn't realize she 52 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:01.319 was using one of those quiet machines thing is, so 53 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.800 no one could hear her dampener or whatever. What a 54 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:05.479 cool device. 55 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.759 Yeah, and then she drops the information that she has 56 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.360 all her memories this whole time he's just been playing. 57 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:18.960 Yeah, I think that's interesting to know for Dusk because 58 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:24.039 he recently discovered that he might not have all his memories. Yeah, 59 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:29.159 so that's kind of leverage for her to keep, for 60 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:33.159 her to But she doesn't know this, so I don't know, 61 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.759 it's interesting like this development, right, she doesn't know that 62 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:38.960 he's missing half his memories because he only had that 63 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:42.599 conversation with brother Day when they were looking at how 64 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:47.400 like how many memories are archived on the record compared 65 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.000 to the original scene on or whatever his name is. 66 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.039 Oh right, yeah, I think I forgot that part. Yeah, 67 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.520 so he knows he's missing some memories. And then as 68 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:01.039 they start conversing conversing. Yeah, they start to realize that 69 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.520 definitely has a gap when it comes to Demersal mmm, and. 70 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:07.719 That there's been some like I don't know how to 71 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:11.240 like say it, other than like maybe some brainwashing, like 72 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.280 some cult activation when it comes to when he talks 73 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.279 about the Mersal, he's like, she's always been here, she'll 74 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:19.839 always be here kind of shit. 75 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:22.839 Yeah, when they talk about it like it's programmed, like 76 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.560 he can't help but say that when it comes up. 77 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:30.759 And then they're like basically saying, she's the one true Empress, 78 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.639 She's the og, She's the one who will always be 79 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.439 there and has always been there. It seems like she 80 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:41.839 has a soft spot for the days of the emperor 81 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.160 ers or whatever. 82 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:48.839 Right, maybe or he just has the most power at 83 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:49.920 any time, So. 84 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.040 You think that's what she's attracted to. The power. 85 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.720 Well, it seems like she is the one with the 86 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.240 power and wields it through him. 87 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.800 With a new girl. That new girl put to wrench 88 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.399 in everything. Yeah, and she's going around fucking the little 89 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:05.040 baby one. 90 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.639 Yeah, there's all sorts of collusion. 91 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.959 What else happens, Oh the execution. 92 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:16.000 Yep, I mean people really turned out to to watch 93 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:16.639 the beheading. 94 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:18.680 I mean, what else are you going to do in 95 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:23.639 an empire? Like in a It's it's like, uh, there's 96 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.040 nothing else to do. They haven't showed us any way 97 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.839 of entertainment either, Like I haven't seen any radios TV. 98 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.680 I've seen some of those weird uh holograms that they're watching, 99 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.480 but those are only usually look like it looks like 100 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:43.319 they're only watching those in like a military grade warship. 101 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.959 So how do they broadcast their message? How do they 102 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.199 keep the empire running if they don't have a reach 103 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.199 to the common man. I don't know. It's just it'd 104 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.079 be nice to know, you know what I mean. Are 105 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.399 the people watching this like is it being broadcast? I 106 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.920 would imagine and so, but like there's nothing to show that, 107 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.720 oh we're being broadcasted other than whatever the war criminals 108 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.319 are seeing. But I don't know. Well, yeah, we saw 109 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.959 different groups watching it, Okay. I was confused about that. 110 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:15.600 I didn't understand who was watching. They all look the 111 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.120 same to me. They're all like grab white men, you 112 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:19.720 know what I mean? 113 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:25.480 Yeah, and Day is being a little sadistic and like 114 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.519 wanting to make Queen Sarah like choose who to kill 115 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:32.560 first and basically toys around enough that hober Malo was 116 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:33.879 able to show. 117 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:38.560 Up, right. He didn't like Hoverer Malow's presence kind of 118 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.480 saved her from looking like a cruel person. I wonder 119 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.399 what she would have said. There's like that lingering thought 120 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.319 of like maybe she would have been like, no, don't 121 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.959 do it, spare the rod. 122 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.680 Yeah. Well, then after he asked her, he pretty much 123 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.160 turned and made the decision to kill the woman. First, 124 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.319 the woman, which is very like telling and thankfully he 125 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.519 allows her to say your prayer for a long time. 126 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:09.040 Right, influencing what seems like thousands, if not hundreds of 127 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:10.240 thousands of people. 128 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.160 Yeah, I know we're going to kill you, but I'll 129 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.439 let you get your your propaganda out there. 130 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:20.040 Yeah, let me martyr. You what an idiot. It's like 131 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:24.040 his first execution or what supposed to put bags over 132 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:25.800 their heads so they don't even have a face. 133 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.399 But ober Malo shows up, which I was happy about. 134 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.879 I wasn't super surprised because I was I didn't think 135 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.560 they were going to kill her off when it seemed 136 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.120 like they had plans for her more plans. Yeah, but 137 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.519 I guess they're saying that that act is kicking off 138 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.079 a war now between Empire and a foundation. 139 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.240 I mean, that's what they were wanting that they've been 140 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.839 preparing for. He went down to negotiate with the Spacers 141 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:53.160 so they could join a side. 142 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.839 Yeah. So now brother Day wants to go to Terminus 143 00:07:58.040 --> 00:07:59.759 and talk to them, which is kind of what they 144 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.240 can there to do. So I guess that works out. 145 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:06.439 Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean, and it was exciting to 146 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.360 see him kind of take down Empire in a way 147 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.959 that was really needed. I think for them to see. 148 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.160 Even the guys that are like on the fence about 149 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:20.000 Empire were like he did it though. 150 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.560 Yeah. And he showed that the Empire is not in vulnerable. 151 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.759 Yeah. And you saw how scared he was when he 152 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.079 saw Becky. Oh my god, that was great. Oh poor Becky. 153 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.080 Poor Becky didn't deserve it. But man, she went out 154 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:33.639 with a bang. 155 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.360 She almost got him too. I guess he was wearing 156 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:40.000 like armor because you really like grabbed him by the 157 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.360 shoulder like I thought he was going to be marred. 158 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.000 Yeah, me too, I was. I was a little upset 159 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:46.159 that he wasn't more beat up. 160 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:52.159 Yeah. So ober Mallow and Constant get to escape and finally, 161 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.200 you know, complete their sexual arc right. 162 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:59.399 She's very matter of fact. She's like, we can take 163 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.000 advantage of this opportunity to do sex. 164 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:03.039 Yeah. 165 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.679 I thought that was really endearing almost, but then that's 166 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.840 what kind of got them caught because they weren't vigilant. 167 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.919 They literally caught him with his pants down. Yep, like 168 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:15.840 many Republican senators in the bathroom. 169 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.879 So Salvar is still alive. 170 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.080 Yeah, they don't kill their own. 171 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:22.519 Which is good, Thank god. 172 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.320 I was worried me too. I was like really worried 173 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.840 about that last episode and seeing her in the water. 174 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.960 But yeah, especially because we saw that happened that Harry Selden. 175 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.399 Yeah, but he's not one of them, Nope. So I'm 176 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.759 ready for her to show up and rescue Gail. Though, 177 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.799 God damn, they're fucking up Gail. But sal War remembers 178 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.759 that the cube singing, I don't know what it's called exactly, 179 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:54.320 not Tesseract. Yeah, anyway, she finan Radiant Prime Radiant Yeah, yeah, yeah, 180 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.679 it's a mass thing. She remembers that it's like a 181 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.279 portal to other dimensions, and she uses it to talk 182 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.480 to the other Harry, because God forbid, she make her 183 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.120 own thoughts and feelings known. Let a white man talk 184 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.440 you through it. She knows how to drive a ship, 185 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.879 and shit, she don't know numbers. I guess not. Numbers 186 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:22.720 are hard. I'm just a girl, and Gail's dumbass. 187 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:26.320 I did think it was weird that, like there's almost 188 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.720 like an intermission with the Harry Selden thing, because like 189 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:31.919 she goes to talk to him, and then we get 190 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.200 the scene of him out like comforting that guy outside 191 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.519 the vault, and then we go back to her talking 192 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:38.480 to him inside. 193 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:42.320 Yeah. Well, I think they're trying to establish a timeline 194 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:43.000 or something. 195 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.879 Yeah, So that's that's what I was wondering. I was like, 196 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.720 is this is the Salvor Gail stuff earlier and that's 197 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.519 why he's able to call for hober Mallow after that 198 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.879 whole interaction, yeah? Or is he just kind of living 199 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:57.919 fourth dimensionally? 200 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.200 I don't think they can really put the fourth dimension 201 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.240 in that way. I think they have to establish some 202 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:10.440 sort of like timeline to ground these characters in reality. 203 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:14.679 And so I think the stuff happening with the second 204 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:19.759 Foundation is happening before this whole Warshit is happening, but 205 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.720 it is confusing and it's a touch of like the 206 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.840 old stuff and that's the thing I didn't really care for. 207 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.320 It would have been interesting if they were happening all 208 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:33.039 at once, but it's weird that they're telling each other 209 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.919 what to do, like it's it's like a cyclical thing 210 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:40.600 where it's like the Foundation asked for Horbo mallow, but 211 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:44.799 then they told the Foundation to ask for howor mellow. 212 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.759 It's kind of like the chicken and eggs thing. What 213 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:48.679 happened first? 214 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.480 Oh? Yeah? And then they've got Gale all strapped down 215 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.080 and I don't know what they're about to do. 216 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:59.080 They're about to invade her mind with a second consciousness 217 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.200 from this ancient being. It sounds like she's done it 218 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:07.960 multiple times for centuries, where she lives in one body 219 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:13.399 and then she inhabits another until it starts to age 220 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.559 and her powers dwindle away and she needs to find 221 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:21.080 a new host. And it sounds very scary to be 222 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.879 the host because you don't have a voice. Sounds like 223 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.480 you're in a well kind of like the sunken place 224 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.480 or the you know, like in a get out yeah, 225 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:32.840 where you're just kind of existing in your mind and 226 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.919 you see you doing things, but you don't have any 227 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.639 control over what your body is doing. And as she 228 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.159 moves from body to body, it sounds like she gains 229 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.360 that person's powers and gets to move them to the 230 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.399 next body. The interesting thing to me is that she 231 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.039 would pick somebody as old as Gail. Gail is kind 232 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:57.120 of old compared to the young girl that we saw 233 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:02.480 at the beginning of her introduction, And so why pick Gail? 234 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:04.240 I mean, other than her powers? 235 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:07.320 Yeah, I was gonna say it might be her powers. 236 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.519 And she also implies that. 237 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:11.399 She always wanted to be a black woman. 238 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.759 She implies that she's the one that inspired Gail to 239 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.039 want to leave home, and she planted the city. Basically, 240 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:23.720 she orchestrated all this. 241 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.639 I don't know. Being a girl from a small town, 242 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.600 it's hard to believe that somebody needed to implant me 243 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:31.759 with something like that. 244 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.399 Okay, it was actually me the whole time. I made 245 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:36.320 you want to leave you. 246 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.240 Like, come to Eastern Kansas. No, I don't think so. 247 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:43.240 I think Gail has more autonomy than that, even though 248 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:47.039 she was basically a puppet on a string during that 249 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.320 whole interaction with that white woman. And wow, that was 250 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:56.639 hard to watch. She was in the cove where Harry died, 251 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.480 then all of a sudden, she was in the well 252 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.320 and now she's strapped to a rock, but there's no 253 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:07.000 physical restraints. They're all mental. They're all in her mind. 254 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.080 That's how powerful this woman is over Gail. 255 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.679 Yeah, and it felt like in the previous couple episodes 256 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:17.559 that Gail was really starting to like drink the kool 257 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.639 aid of this place. It was kind of surprising that 258 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.519 it turned to like, oh, we're actually going to like 259 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.080 use force to carry out our mission. 260 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:27.679 Well, she found out. I mean, she felt Harry dye, 261 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:31.120 which is horrifying to feel somebody drown in your own 262 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:36.200 body without without saying anything. That's very I want to say, 263 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.879 it's kind of malicious of her, Like, it's not cool 264 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.679 that she didn't even share that with salf War. That's weird. 265 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.039 That's really weird. And I don't know, I'm a little 266 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.399 wary of Gail now with that action like that. That 267 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:55.200 feels it's either selfish or maybe she's scared. I don't know. 268 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:57.840 I don't know why you wouldn't tell somebody like, hey, 269 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.559 this is what I felt like, Because her feelings are 270 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:06.080 more than just feelings. Their feelings and reaction to real 271 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:10.440 life events that are happening. Because she's got this power 272 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.879 and to not say anything that's creepy, that's that's kind 273 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.080 of weird. I don't know. It makes me do a 274 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:19.559 side eye on her, like are you are you as 275 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:22.360 good as you say you are? Because isn't Harry her friend? 276 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.600 I mean she's also her manipulator and got you know, 277 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.240 how freeing would it be that your main manipulator is 278 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.240 well not your main one now. It's like she just 279 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.440 goes from manipulator to manipulator pretty much. She doesn't ever 280 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.200 get an opportunity to be her own person or act 281 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.559 in her own way. The only time she was doing 282 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.240 that was when she was on the ship with Harry 283 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.840 and she kind of outsmarted the ship to figure out 284 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.399 where she was going and where she was like what 285 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:57.639 was happening? Yeah, but even then it was all manipulation 286 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:00.919 to get her somewhere. I don't know. It's just hard 287 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.799 to gauge a characters that's not honest, Like, how do 288 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.039 you trust her now? She's supposed to be one of 289 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:10.840 your main protagonists, but now you don't trust her. Okay, 290 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.879 that sucks. You're still rooting for her, but there's that 291 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.039 little lie at the back of your neck like a 292 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:18.799 head like nagging at you. 293 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.840 Yeah, I'm trying to remember if we saw we saw 294 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.720 her experience anything when Harry died. 295 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.159 I don't think we did. 296 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.559 We keep having like more than a week between our recordings, 297 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:31.799 so it's hard to remember. But I know like she 298 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.799 definitely talked the Salvar after that, and then Salvar. 299 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:37.960 Went off looking for Harry alone. 300 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.720 Yeah, then she got captured and then as far as 301 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.399 we know, Gil's like right on our heels, like, hey, 302 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:45.919 what happened to Salbar Or was she guess that whole 303 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.039 scene wasn't real? 304 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.720 Yeah, it was all in her mind. I don't know. 305 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:54.480 This place is hard to tell what's real and what's not. 306 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:59.399 Like the manipulation is so deep that like your whole 307 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.279 body leaves that you're somewhere else. And if it wasn't 308 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:09.279 for the main homegirl like saying like, actually you're in this, well, 309 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.160 she would have never known. Yeah, it's interesting that she kind. 310 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.119 Of did the like the evil villain, like telling their 311 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.400 plan to the to the victim. Yeah, and there's that 312 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.000 little boy that was able to explain things as Salvar 313 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.160 two so that she could come up with a plan. 314 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:27.000 Yeah. I like that little kid. Though it seems like 315 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:29.720 he has some sort of moral compass compared to the 316 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.960 rest of the flock. Yeah, it's usually children who see 317 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.359 the reality of their situation, you know, who questioned authority. 318 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.039 So we started asking a lot of questions about the 319 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.279 Marzo in this and I really liked how it played 320 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:46.920 out at the very end of the episode where both 321 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:51.200 Don Don and Sarah and Dusk and Rue I think 322 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.000 is their name, like both came to the same kind 323 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:57.920 of conclusion at the same time. And I also I 324 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.680 liked Dusk and RW like kind of on their own 325 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.119 little adventure. 326 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.440 And going down the secret farewell. 327 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.680 Doing a little like Indiana Joe and stuff, you know, 328 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.319 Biden secret passages. 329 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:11.160 I'd be shipping my pants. I don't like going places 330 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.599 I've never seen before. I always have to google them 331 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:17.880 and look up like information about the place I'm going, 332 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.559 So just kind of blindly going down into a dark 333 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.480 stairwell freaks me the fuck out. 334 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.200 At least it was clean. If it was like full 335 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.079 of dust and cobwebs, i'd be like rats and snakes. 336 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.680 No, yeah, you're right, I don't. It was very clean, right. 337 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:38.640 It was like spotless, which is meaning that it's been used. 338 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.759 It's a use interesting. Interesting. 339 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:46.039 Well, but yeah, we were setting up the Merzl to be. 340 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:47.279 Maybe the bad guy. 341 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:50.359 Yeah, like the real the all power of the empire. 342 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:54.279 At least, she's the one consistent thing that's been with 343 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:58.079 them since the beginning of the empire. 344 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.400 Yeah. And her task is than to you know, maintain 345 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:06.119 the genetic dynasty, but she's seems like she's maintaining it 346 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.880 to serve her. And I believe that's where we get 347 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.680 the title the Last Impress, which I was, I mean 348 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.240 understandably was concerned that that was about. 349 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:14.960 The Cloud girl. 350 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.920 Yeah, like what, No, she's not even married yet, and 351 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.359 she is manipulating Brother Day or at least pushing him 352 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.440 to war. Yeah. I mean, I guess he already wanted 353 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:29.920 to go on this trip, but she's just really her 354 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.039 support was like kind of like what solidified the argument. 355 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:34.759 But then with. 356 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.720 Brother Dawn, I think she's falling for him. 357 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:39.640 What was the injection thing that. 358 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:43.000 Was that's to get his semen or something paralyzed him 359 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:46.319 something like that. Just it's to milk. 360 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.599 Him because she wants to have his child and not 361 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:50.680 days And you. 362 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.960 Say potato, I say potato, Right, She's more age appropriate 363 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:56.440 for this one anyway. 364 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.079 Right, and then you know they're the same person. I 365 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.720 liked how she he was arguing with ru about like 366 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:04.200 who's fucking. 367 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:08.960 Who You're fucking done, well, you're fucking dusk. But the 368 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:13.079 difference is that one of them is like the leader 369 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:16.319 of a whole planet and the other one's just like 370 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.359 a handmaiden. Yeah, and I think that was a point 371 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:20.200 that was made. 372 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:23.799 And she's also not like, you know, cheating on the empire. Yeah, 373 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.839 because a know if you notice, but he has a 374 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:27.319 little bit of an aggression. 375 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:28.279 He has a bit of a temper. 376 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.400 Yeah. Well, this is an exciting episode. I just kept 377 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.319 like cutting from seeing the scene. There were some slower ones, 378 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:37.640 but a lot of it was like giving me on edge, 379 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:38.519 what's going to happen? 380 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.480 I'm excited for the next episode. 381 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:48.599 Sorry, oh my god, you sounds so excited. You're young. Yeah. 382 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:51.000 Two more episodes a season, so it does feel like 383 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.559 we're ramping up here. 384 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:59.960 Yeah, astroal Queen, who was the standout character in the episode. 385 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:03.599 We got a lot of characters to choose from. 386 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:10.279 Giving it to Becky. Okay, sorry, I know you had 387 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:15.079 something planned there, but I'm giving it to Becky that 388 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:16.920 she took a bite out of crime. 389 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.359 We hardly knew her. They really focused on brother day, 390 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:24.400 like just like staring at Becky as she felt like 391 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:26.920 he was shocked to see such a creature. 392 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.200 One and two that could have been him. I think 393 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.640 that's part of it, like realizing his own mortality. 394 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.680 Yeah, because again that whole scene. We didn't really say 395 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.119 much about that action scene, but it was good. It 396 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.440 was you know, it's confusing with all the smoke and 397 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.480 stuff and figuring out who's where and who's injured and 398 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:45.920 who to shoot at. Yeah, and we talked about it 399 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.599 like he was he was vulnerable and that his h 400 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.759 whatever his shield thing was damage and them was trying 401 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.480