Speaker 1: Oh well, thats are hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jacob and today we are going all in on
Speaker 2: the vaporing, canceling, cancelation and and why is why are
Speaker 2: vapes being criminalized?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Why are they taking off the shelves? I mean, do
Speaker 2: they really care about your health? The quick answer is
Speaker 2: absolutely fucking not.
Speaker 3: Now, before we start all of this, we do need
Speaker 3: to give this disclaimer. Okay, the Cult of Conspiracy is
Speaker 3: not trying to promote big tobacco or big vape. Okay,
Speaker 3: We're not getting sponsored from any of these people. We do,
Speaker 3: in fact acknowledge that nicotine is an addictive substance and
Speaker 3: that everybody should do what they can to relieve themselves
Speaker 3: of their vices rather than get more heavily. With that
Speaker 3: that being said, Jonathan and I are also heavily addicted
Speaker 3: to nicotine. Let's be very open and honest about it
Speaker 3: before we even kickstarted.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And to be honest in doing this research,
Speaker 2: I was trying to make sure, all right, am I
Speaker 2: just looking at this from a biased angle?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Am I just saying that vaping is healthier? Because I
Speaker 2: prefer to vape over smoking cigarettes. I smoked cigarettes for
Speaker 2: I think twelve thirteen years or something like that until
Speaker 2: I switched over to vaping. And I knew the moment
Speaker 2: that I switched over from cigarettes to vaping because I
Speaker 2: was playing semi pro football that during that transition, right,
Speaker 2: and I could tell just with my lung capacity and
Speaker 2: with my overall endurance, I was able to run a
Speaker 2: little bit longer, run a little bit faster, not be
Speaker 2: so as so like winded or anything like that. I
Speaker 2: knew that there was like an immediate difference from whenever
Speaker 2: I made that transition, And I was thinking, well, is
Speaker 2: this just in my mind? Is this placebo is there?
Speaker 2: I want it to be true, So it is, you know,
Speaker 2: like you never know exactly how the fucking human mind is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a whole matrix in and of itself,
Speaker 2: so you gotta, you know, kind of test these things.
Speaker 2: That being said, whenever I did make that transition, I
Speaker 2: felt so much better. And so I've been vaping ever since.
Speaker 2: And what's great about it, well not what's great about it,
Speaker 2: but it's it tastes better than cigarettes. You can vape indoors.
Speaker 2: I mean, I fucking vape on it their plane. They
Speaker 2: tell you not too, but I mean, yeah, I'm such
Speaker 2: an addict that, like, you know, anyway.
Speaker 3: I get it. Wait, how old were you when you
Speaker 3: started smoking?
Speaker 2: Seventeen? Okay, sixteen seventeen something like that.
Speaker 3: So I was sixteen when I started smoking, right, But
Speaker 3: I smoked cigars. I didn't pick up cigarettes until I
Speaker 3: was halfway through my enlistment in the Marine Corps, matter
Speaker 3: of fact, because cigars are an expensive habit to have,
Speaker 3: like to get at the time anyway, because I didn't
Speaker 3: know where to shop. I can get a decent cigar
Speaker 3: for like fifteen bucks a pop. Bro, I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to kill fifteen dollars a day for me to go
Speaker 3: outside for two hours and burn that bitch down, Like
Speaker 3: no way. But I did develop a nicotine addiction from that.
Speaker 3: I still chewed. I didn't use dip. I can't do dip.
Speaker 3: But like chew man, you get you some Levi Garrett,
Speaker 3: some some red Man gold blend. That was my shit,
Speaker 3: or maybe some beech nut, oh dude, and that was
Speaker 3: my shit. Basically the entire time I was in the
Speaker 3: Marine course, I had an entire mouthful of chew and
Speaker 3: then once a day, I'd go outside and smoke a
Speaker 3: piper or a cigar, and then I swapped to Marlboro Reds
Speaker 3: and then later on swap to American Spirit Blacks. Right,
Speaker 3: But all of that to say, it was around the
Speaker 3: time when I swapped to cigarettes where my cardio went
Speaker 3: to absolute shit. And it wasn't like I was the
Speaker 3: stud of my platoon by any means. As far as
Speaker 3: running goes, I was decent. I wentn't great soon as
Speaker 3: I started smoking, and it was never like I went
Speaker 3: like a two pack a day kind of guy. It
Speaker 3: would take me like three days to kill a pack,
Speaker 3: you know, just every so often you go outside and
Speaker 3: take a smoke break kind of thing. And still I
Speaker 3: felt to my cardio go down. I could feel myself
Speaker 3: being unhealthy, and at the time I kind of liked
Speaker 3: it because I had I had gotten lazy with it,
Speaker 3: so I was like, yeah, I just kind of all
Speaker 3: flowed in the same direction. You know, cut too swapped
Speaker 3: to vaping when well often one swapping between cigarettes and
Speaker 3: vaping because twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, vaping wasn't what it
Speaker 3: was now. You know, you had those little like it
Speaker 3: was like a pin that looked like the weed pens
Speaker 3: these days, but like it was a refillable thing. You'd
Speaker 3: have to buy the little juice and all of that,
Speaker 3: and it the flavors weren't the best. You had to
Speaker 3: constantly go buy new batteries, and you had to buy
Speaker 3: new little tanks because like, if you're using something though,
Speaker 3: like a citrus flavor, then you couldn't use the plastic
Speaker 3: little tank. You had to use a glass tank. And
Speaker 3: then remember when the big stupid mods came out and
Speaker 3: these people were blowing like enough of a cloud to
Speaker 3: clear out an entire room from what was in their lungs.
Speaker 2: And like fucking tugboats. Bro, I remember that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude. Then they had vaping teams. You remember
Speaker 3: that vaping teams? Yeah, dude. The Cloud Chasers was the
Speaker 3: local team. They would do competitions with other vaping groups,
Speaker 3: and it was like, Okay, this is getting fatty or
Speaker 3: trendy or whatever you want to call it. And it's
Speaker 3: like that's I'm just trying to get my nicotine fixed.
Speaker 3: I ain't trying to like be one of that click
Speaker 3: by any means.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, and so I was around the same thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I to be honest, I had been smoking
Speaker 2: since I was fifteen, but I didn't start regularly like
Speaker 2: needing it, like addicted to it until I was seventeen,
Speaker 2: I would say, because I mean my parents smoked. Everybody
Speaker 2: and my family smoked, like my aunts and uncles and
Speaker 2: shit like that. All my friends smoked and everything. So
Speaker 2: it was I mean, it wasn't hard for me to
Speaker 2: jump on that train and so but yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it pulled me right in. And that's the nicotine. And
Speaker 2: believe it or not, cigarette companies they use certain chemicals
Speaker 2: to make the nicotine even more addictive.
Speaker 3: Yes they do. That's why I still prefer cigars. Man.
Speaker 3: I love still to this day, I love cigars. And yeah,
Speaker 3: you can become addicted to cigars. Yes, they are not
Speaker 3: nearly as addictive of cigarettes. We're talking by a leaps
Speaker 3: and bounds worth of a margin.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be getting into a lot of the
Speaker 2: data that the backs that every everything that is surrounding
Speaker 2: this whole vape band. A lot of states have already
Speaker 2: and them, some of them are even criminalizing them, and
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty wild. And I know that Louisiana just
Speaker 2: recently banned them, was it a few months ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a motherfucker. I gotta go to some underground
Speaker 3: places to get a vape these days, and or if
Speaker 3: I travel out of state, I just buy like twenty
Speaker 3: of the mugs and stock up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, in the same over here. As of September one,
Speaker 2: Texas is banning vapes and not just not just like
Speaker 2: nicotine vapes, but also the weed vapes too. Really yep,
Speaker 2: they're banning it all. And wow, it's crazy, dude like Texas,
Speaker 2: I feel like we are just fucking rolling back to
Speaker 2: prohibition times. I mean, do they not understand that when
Speaker 2: you make something illegal that it only fuels the black market,
Speaker 2: Like common fucking sense, bro, that's how this goes.
Speaker 3: How do you think the mafia got to have so
Speaker 3: much power and influence? It was because prohibition happened, and
Speaker 3: these dudes are already doing illegal activities. You just made
Speaker 3: a whole new market for them. And that now everybody
Speaker 3: knows that if they want to get a drink, they're
Speaker 3: gonna have to go to some sort of an illegal
Speaker 3: means to get it. People are not gonna quit their
Speaker 3: nicotine addiction because big Daddy government said so. If anything,
Speaker 3: this will push more people to go back to smoking
Speaker 3: rather than quitting. But that's not good.
Speaker 2: Well that's their goal in general. And I will say
Speaker 2: this too, that a lot of the the big tobacco
Speaker 2: companies are actually buying some of the vape companies. So
Speaker 2: what is it Philip Moore.
Speaker 3: Us, Yeah, Philip Morris owns Views, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: Views and Jewel A Yeah, Jewel ship with Jewel. A
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, they were trying to ban all
Speaker 2: the all the flavored ones. All of that is it.
Speaker 2: They don't care about like protecting the kids at all,
Speaker 2: Like if kids you think they got a problem with
Speaker 2: kids lighting up a fucking cigarette. I mean they might
Speaker 2: say that they do, but that's not really what they're after.
Speaker 2: They're using the flavor to target the kids, which it's
Speaker 2: not even really targeting the kids that it's just targeting
Speaker 2: the vape industry. And because the vape industry outside of
Speaker 2: the couple of vape companies that they know or that
Speaker 2: they own that are within you know, regulatory guidelines, it's dude,
Speaker 2: it is a full on clusterfuck of everything that we're
Speaker 2: gonna be getting into today. So we're gonna start right here.
Speaker 2: So the vape pan it's not about your health. We're
Speaker 2: going to be getting into that. They say it's for
Speaker 2: your health. They say it's to protect the kids, to
Speaker 2: stop another generation from being addicted, to prevent a public
Speaker 2: health crisis. But if that were true, explain this wire cigarettes,
Speaker 2: products that kill half of their long term users and
Speaker 2: contain thousands of chemicals, dozens of which are known carcinogens,
Speaker 2: still sold in every gas station, every corner store, and
Speaker 2: still heavily taxed by the same government claiming that vaping
Speaker 2: is a big threat. It doesn't makes sense. Why are
Speaker 2: food dies banned in Europe still in your cereal? Why
Speaker 2: is fluoride in your water but lead pipes still delivering it.
Speaker 2: Why is the air filled with industrial pollutants and wild
Speaker 2: chemical spills swept under the rug? And why does the
Speaker 2: nightly news feed you fear and rage instead of truth
Speaker 2: and solutions. If this system truly cared about your health,
Speaker 2: they go after all of it. But they don't, And
Speaker 2: vaping is just the latest battlefield in a war that
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with your lungs and everything to
Speaker 2: do with your wallet, your choices, and your freedom. Today
Speaker 2: we're going to lay out the whole story, the science
Speaker 2: the propaganda, the money trail, and the players pulling the strings.
Speaker 2: And by the end, you won't just see the vape
Speaker 2: band for what it is, You'll see the entire machine
Speaker 2: that keeps you under its fist. Now, I'm personally somebody,
Speaker 2: and this may be somewhat controversial, I think that every
Speaker 2: single thing drug, nicotine, alcohol, should all be entirely legal
Speaker 2: because whenever you illegalize something, you create a black market
Speaker 2: for said thing, which makes it even more dangerous and
Speaker 2: more harmful. And now you can spike it with all
Speaker 2: these different things and it's not regulated by anybody or anything.
Speaker 2: Not that I necessarily have a whole lot of faith
Speaker 2: in the FDA in general, because look at what they
Speaker 2: legalize in our country. Just with the fucking food dies
Speaker 2: in the cereal is enough to make your head spin.
Speaker 2: So but at least there's some bottom line to it,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like it has to go
Speaker 2: through some kind of custom to where if the FDA
Speaker 2: approves it, at least you can go after the FDA
Speaker 2: if you die or or you know, come up on
Speaker 2: a cancer or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right, I don't necessarily disagree with what you just said.
Speaker 3: I think that pretty much everything should be legal. I
Speaker 3: will give small exceptions, like, all right, I know very
Speaker 3: successful alcoholics, right, So to say that alcohol is ruining
Speaker 3: people's lives, it can, but that's not inherent to alcohol, right,
Speaker 3: that's like inherent to addicts. Okay, fair enough. I know
Speaker 3: tons of successful smokers, right, I know tons of successful stoners,
Speaker 3: like very high level successful people who smoke we like crazy.
Speaker 3: I know successful meth heads. I don't know any successful
Speaker 3: heroin addicts. I will give a disclaimer that opiates. I
Speaker 3: think we should still have some sort of like if
Speaker 3: not outright bands, some sort of like serious regulations on that.
Speaker 3: And there's a few other exceptions that you could throw
Speaker 3: out to where it's like, yeah, like if you give
Speaker 3: this substance to ten people, maybe one of them will
Speaker 3: be okay, not even like doing better or worse, like
Speaker 3: even neutral, nine out of ten are going downhill quick
Speaker 3: because of it. Fentanyl is another one, Like I don't
Speaker 3: know many people that are addicted to fentanyl that are
Speaker 3: like doing so hot right now, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: There's levels to it, but for the majority of it, alcohol, tobacco,
Speaker 3: and most illicit substances, I agree that it should be
Speaker 3: completely legal.
Speaker 2: It's the conversation with the war on drugs, That's really
Speaker 2: what it's all about. Like people, you know, you have
Speaker 2: your government, your country telling you that you need to
Speaker 2: get drugs off the street. You need to get all
Speaker 2: these things off the street. Meanwhile, the government and the CIA,
Speaker 2: the FBI, whoever is the one that is funneling all
Speaker 2: these drugs in here via cartel or you know illegal
Speaker 2: you know black ops type shit, I mean, or a
Speaker 2: pharmacy bill Clinton back in the nineties right over in Arkansas.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it. They don't care like the way
Speaker 2: that they say they do. They care because these things
Speaker 2: have have a little something to say with their pocketbook.
Speaker 2: That's really what it's all about.
Speaker 3: It's this lobbying group's got the most money to push
Speaker 3: the agenda and get the votes to sway whatever they
Speaker 3: whichever way they want. That's what it boils down to.
Speaker 2: It's all about policy. And certain policies may make them
Speaker 2: some money, and certain policies don't make them any money.
Speaker 2: And you think that the like and we're gonna get
Speaker 2: to like the the taxes that are on cigarettes. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've looked at cigarette prices lately. Yeah, ly, shit,
Speaker 2: I am so happy I don't smoke cigarettes anymore. What
Speaker 2: an expensive hot hobby, right or rap addiction? Yeah, like
Speaker 2: it is crazy, and they they have taken that and
Speaker 2: run with it because like, well, smoking is bad, so
Speaker 2: we can we can put a nicotine or a tobacco
Speaker 2: tax on it, and that's how we feel justified. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: they're reaping in the fucking rewards they're collecting on people
Speaker 2: who are going broke because of this shit, because you're
Speaker 2: the one that made us all addicted to it in
Speaker 2: the first place by not only getting us hooked on
Speaker 2: an addictive chemical, but you amplified said addictive chemical so
Speaker 2: much so to where it is damn near what for what?
Speaker 2: As far as like, uh, if you're trying to give
Speaker 2: up on nicotine, they say, it's actually similar. It is
Speaker 2: similar to break the hobbit or the habit of nicotine.
Speaker 2: I keep on wanting to say, hobbit the habit of nicotine.
Speaker 2: It's similar to fucking heroin. Yeah, it is the way
Speaker 2: that it processes in your brain is the exact same
Speaker 2: thing to the same extent, if.
Speaker 3: Not more one hundred percent, dude, And so nobody really
Speaker 3: wants to have that kind of conversation. But here's the deal.
Speaker 3: Cigarettes didn't used to be that expensive, like by comparison. Yes,
Speaker 3: I understand the cost of living goes up the devaluation
Speaker 3: of the dollar. A pack of smokes costs you more
Speaker 3: in two thousand and five than it did in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy five. Like, okay, fine, that that conversation. I understand
Speaker 3: a gallon of gas the same way.
Speaker 2: Course ten years alone, cigarette prices have more than doubled.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Here's the deal. You know where that's started. President
Speaker 3: Old Barryhusein Obama, Okay, put on a luxury tax on cigarettes.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind that dude was chained smoking cools like
Speaker 3: it was going out of style. He was, and I
Speaker 3: can verify that I was stationed in DC. I've seen
Speaker 3: the motherfucker. Okay, cools are Newports. I do believe it
Speaker 3: was Cools. I know it was menthol you could tell
Speaker 3: by the smell, but I I want to say it
Speaker 3: was Cools. Maybe it was some high dollar meenthoal. I
Speaker 3: don't fucking know, but you know what, I kind of
Speaker 3: hope it was Newports, you know, And that's legit if
Speaker 3: you're gonna smoke a menthol smoke, a proper menthol smoke.
Speaker 3: One's going to hit you in your.
Speaker 2: Chest, you know that one that was called it was
Speaker 2: like Benson and Hedges or something like that, the real
Speaker 2: like fancy, like oh god.
Speaker 3: Now I'm trying to remember. I thought you didn't want
Speaker 3: to cloth For a second, I was like, nah, I'm
Speaker 3: closed cigarettes. That was a whole other other thing.
Speaker 2: I think it was called Benson and Hedges or something
Speaker 2: along those lines. It was like Benson in something and
Speaker 2: they they actually people preferred to smoke those for the
Speaker 2: longest time because they didn't have the Fire Safe Cigarette
Speaker 2: FSC logo on them. And yeah, well the FSC you know,
Speaker 2: those things were designed allegedly to prevent people's houses from
Speaker 2: burning down if they fall asleep with a cigarette in
Speaker 2: their hand. Don't look at actually what's in the FSC,
Speaker 2: which is even more carcinogens that than the original cigarette
Speaker 2: already had.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, do you mean to tell me that
Speaker 3: lighting and inhaling the smoke of fire retardant materials literally
Speaker 3: chemicals chemical compounds that are meant to put out fire,
Speaker 3: and lighting that and then inhaling it, that's worse for
Speaker 3: your health than lighting a leaf. Wait a minute, are
Speaker 3: we sure about this? Is there science to back that client? Now,
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: A Jacob euphemism.
Speaker 3: Color me shocked, right, but no, one hundred percent. So
Speaker 3: when Obama put on that luxury tax, people want to
Speaker 3: say it was to incentivize smokers to quit, but it
Speaker 3: wasn't like a doubling of the price. It was a
Speaker 3: small incremental thing to how we got to this point.
Speaker 3: Like you said, in the past ten to fifteen years,
Speaker 3: cigarettes have doubled in price, but it didn't start with
Speaker 3: that initial jump. It went maybe a quarter more per pack.
Speaker 3: Then it was like seventy five cents more pack a dollar.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a dollar, you know whatever that
Speaker 3: shit adds up. But it's a really crazy comparison to
Speaker 3: look at the timeframe in which vaping became more popular
Speaker 3: and it was starting to go a little more mainstream,
Speaker 3: even if it was the old school with the little
Speaker 3: pins and the little fillers or whatever. Right around the
Speaker 3: time where you started seeing vape shops pop up is
Speaker 3: around the time when a luxury tax got added onto cigarettes.
Speaker 3: Is that because they wanted to incentivize people to quit?
Speaker 3: Or is that because Philip Morris and other big tobacco
Speaker 3: companies were losing profit margins, so they had to do
Speaker 3: something to cover the gap.
Speaker 2: That's actually a good point you, I would say that
Speaker 2: that's probably the main argument that I would think so
Speaker 2: the most amount of sense whenever they're really starting, because
Speaker 2: if you think about it, if you have less users,
Speaker 2: you're bringing in less money. So what if you doubled
Speaker 2: the price. That way, if your consumer decides to cut
Speaker 2: in half, you just double it. Now you're you're equaling
Speaker 2: what you used to equal.
Speaker 3: But the tax didn't go to Philip Morris, right, that
Speaker 3: went to the US government. And here's where things get
Speaker 3: a little shitty, right, lobbyists make up the money to
Speaker 3: give to the politicians, and they don't Sometimes they give
Speaker 3: it in one lump sum. Sometimes it's an installments. And
Speaker 3: if your company is losing money but you still need
Speaker 3: to make your monthly payment to whatever politician you made
Speaker 3: this deal with, you have to backdoor that shit. So
Speaker 3: that's where the luxury tax came from. Philip Morris wasn't
Speaker 3: handing over a check to these people anymore, but they
Speaker 3: incentivize the government to pass a luxury tax to where
Speaker 3: they were still they being the politicians, were still getting
Speaker 3: their monthly cut. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, and what's interesting too, is just because i've I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously we're very clearly vapors. And yeah, a lot of times,
Speaker 2: whenever you know you shouldn't be doing something, you almost
Speaker 2: don't even want to look at the data because you
Speaker 2: don't want to have to give it up. It like
Speaker 2: come and you know, contact with the information that shows
Speaker 2: that like it's poisoning you, you're gonna die, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we have met. Like dude, my great grandma, I think
Speaker 2: she died like in her late eighties and she was
Speaker 2: still smoking cigarettes. So yeah, I think that it affects
Speaker 2: every like people differently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but those smokers that have lived to be ninety
Speaker 3: five still smoking two packs a day and they've never
Speaker 3: had the first bit of lung cancer, heart problems or
Speaker 3: in physema. Right. I also know people that have their
Speaker 3: first heart attack by the time they're forty because they
Speaker 3: smoke it. I think it's the same conversation to say that,
Speaker 3: like cancer affects people differently. It all goes down to genetics.
Speaker 3: Some people's genetic bloodline are more prone to cancer. They're
Speaker 3: more susceptible to develop cancer and other people people are not.
Speaker 3: I think that's just the way it works out.
Speaker 2: Well. The Chinese are the ones that I believe invented
Speaker 2: vaping in the beginning, which happened in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: So the story of vaping traices back to China in
Speaker 2: two thousand and four when the vaping product first was
Speaker 2: introduced to the market, and from there quickly gain moment momentum,
Speaker 2: spreading to other parts of the world and evolving into
Speaker 2: the diverse array of devices and flavors that we see today.
Speaker 2: So and I remember this, dude, because my dad, My
Speaker 2: dad used to travel to China for work all the time,
Speaker 2: and this was right around that time that he was traveling.
Speaker 2: And I remember a time, dude, it was like two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, two thousand and five, he brought some
Speaker 2: of those vapes.
Speaker 3: Home.
Speaker 2: Now, they weren't as like, you know, delicious as we
Speaker 2: are today. Like they're dangerous. I mean, I swear it's
Speaker 2: like hitting these vapes is like taking a bite out
Speaker 2: of a fucking piece of strawberry cheesecake nowadays. Literally yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: literally quite literally. And so yeah, it's it's it's evolve
Speaker 2: over time, and they've learned about how to deliver it
Speaker 2: a little bit better, and that throat hit in the back,
Speaker 2: and you know, how to make the batteries last longer
Speaker 2: and all these things. Right, But we're going to uh,
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Get to the Chinese.
Speaker 2: Dude, Chinese graded it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so wait a minute, just we're all clear here.
Speaker 3: This is new information to me. Hold on, are you
Speaker 3: telling me that vapes are commy?
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that vaping comes from China. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That kind of has me a little perplexed.
Speaker 2: Everything that you have ever smoked has come from China.
Speaker 3: And that makes me feel like we need to hear
Speaker 3: from more Malaysian correspondent.
Speaker 2: Don't trust China.
Speaker 3: Chinese asshole, there you go. Damn, I you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know that I'm
Speaker 3: puffing on commy batteries here, man, shit, Now I got
Speaker 3: to change the whole perspective out of life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get it, due, I do get it.
Speaker 2: And honestly, that was like my main hang up with
Speaker 2: vaping too, because you always see it. It's always made
Speaker 2: in China, every single one of them. Yeah, And so
Speaker 2: I started doing a little bit of research, and now,
Speaker 2: even though that they are still made in China, the
Speaker 2: majority of them, not all of them, But even though
Speaker 2: they're made in China, you're still going to see how
Speaker 2: much more safe they are than cigarettes. Oh yeah, this
Speaker 2: is the whole TikTok conversation all over again. I would
Speaker 2: rather get poisoned by my own government than a government
Speaker 2: from a foreign government.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I would the same with like the baby toys,
Speaker 3: right Fisher Price. They had lawsuits because China was putting
Speaker 3: lead based paints into toys even into the early two
Speaker 3: thousands that they knew babies are gonna put in their mouth.
Speaker 3: You know, I have a healthy distrust of China. But
Speaker 3: fuck man. Now, the vape conversation's coming up. This one
Speaker 3: hits close to home.
Speaker 2: So governments roll out the same talking points. Vaping is unsafe,
Speaker 2: we don't know the long term effects, kids are using
Speaker 2: the using them at alarming rates, and an epidemic of
Speaker 2: nicotine addiction is brewing. In twenty nineteen, US headlines screamed
Speaker 2: about a mysterious vaping related lung illness. The CDC labeled
Speaker 2: it as an epidemic. Politicians moved to ban flavored vapes
Speaker 2: and public panic skyrocketed, but buried in the fine print
Speaker 2: was almost every case was linked to illicit THC cartridges
Speaker 2: contaminated with vitamin e ascetate, not legal in nicotine vapes.
Speaker 2: The panic was real, but the target was misinterpreted. When
Speaker 2: you strip away the hysteria, you find what. Public Health
Speaker 2: England and Royal College of Physicians in the UK already
Speaker 2: concluded that vaping is far less harmful than smoking and
Speaker 2: should be promoted as a harm reduction tool. But here
Speaker 2: in the United States and other countries that message gets
Speaker 2: buried because it doesn't fit the controlled narrative. So I'm
Speaker 2: a popcorn lung that whole, like all of it. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the main one.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I remember them try to There was like
Speaker 3: newscasters on Fox and CNN that were having these people
Speaker 3: come on and talk about popcorn long that was never
Speaker 3: an epidemic. There was only a few cases of that
Speaker 3: ever really brought forward. And again we're talking about how
Speaker 3: many people vape and how many of these people have
Speaker 3: an epidemic of popcorn long Like, that's not that's not
Speaker 3: accurate to say, But boy, the media acted like it was.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and and and I'm I have some
Speaker 2: of those articles that we're gonna pull up. We're gonna
Speaker 2: read right from what was it again, the Public Health
Speaker 2: England and the Royal College of Physicians of Physicians in
Speaker 2: the UK. And it's documented shit like these, aren't, you know,
Speaker 2: like some spin off spoof shit. This is all these are,
Speaker 2: like peer reviewed journals. They have no reason to give
Speaker 2: this information, you know what I'm saying. Like you can
Speaker 2: tell that it's not swayed in you know, four big
Speaker 2: to apps like you could argue that Big Tobacco probably
Speaker 2: came after them for those articles.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sure they did.
Speaker 2: So what is really in a vape versus a cigarette?
Speaker 2: This is going to this is going to really blow
Speaker 2: it wide open. So first of all, and this is
Speaker 2: in celsius, so aery drink, no, no, no celsius as
Speaker 2: opposed to fahrenheit.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why it's written that way, but
Speaker 2: it says that a cigarette burns at up to nine
Speaker 2: hundred degrees celsius. What does that convert to in American degrees?
Speaker 3: I'm looking that up right now, So giving that number
Speaker 3: one more time, sir.
Speaker 2: Nine hundred degrees celsius.
Speaker 3: So nine hundred degrees celsius equals sixteen hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: two degrees freedom.
Speaker 2: Damn all right, that's hot as fuck. So the cigarette burns,
Speaker 2: and that's because of the chemicals that are feeding into
Speaker 2: the flame and all that. So the cigarette burns at
Speaker 2: up to nine hundred degrees celsius, releasing over seven thousand
Speaker 2: compounds in a cigarette. So you have ammonia, hydrogen, cyanide, arsenic, lead, formaldehyde, benzene, radioactive,
Speaker 2: polonium ye, polonium to ten, and more than seventy of
Speaker 2: these are confirmed cancer causers. Tar coat your lungs, carbon
Speaker 2: monoxide robs your oxygen, and combustion byproducts damage every blood
Speaker 2: vessel in your vot in your body. But what about
Speaker 2: a clean vape? So not all of them are clean,
Speaker 2: but the ones that are somewhat regulated, So the more
Speaker 2: popular ones, I would say, and this is something that
Speaker 2: I've looked into, because like, I have two favorite vapes,
Speaker 2: which would be raz and geek Bar. Those are my
Speaker 2: two favorites. Those are the ones that I looked into.
Speaker 2: Those seem to be heavy, heavily regulated, and they actually
Speaker 2: care about what actually goes into those fucking things.
Speaker 3: I'll also say that cali and elf bar are also
Speaker 3: highly heavily regular.
Speaker 2: Right, so a clean vape liquid has four ingredients four okay, mountains,
Speaker 2: not hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands.
Speaker 3: I thought it had three. What are the four, Jonathan?
Speaker 2: So the first one is vegetable glycerine also known as VG.
Speaker 3: Which is a refined vegetable oil. Just so everyone's clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says it's plant based, using food and medicine.
Speaker 2: Everybody does come in contact with this. Next one is
Speaker 2: called PG, which is propeline glycol, so propelling glycol. It
Speaker 2: says that it's common in asthma inhalers. Okay, then you
Speaker 2: have nicotine, of course, addictive, yes, but not the cause
Speaker 2: of smoking related cancers. Actually, nicotine is not dangerous at all.
Speaker 3: No. As a matter of fact, nicotine is in a
Speaker 3: lot of vegetables. Do you just off the top? Do
Speaker 3: you know what vegetable has the like that you probably
Speaker 3: have in your local garden has the highest level of
Speaker 3: nicotine by far?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Tomatoes, really, tomatoes are extremely heavy in nicotine.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because it's labeled as a night shade.
Speaker 3: Did you know that I did or did indeed. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if we could take tomato plant leaves
Speaker 3: and dry them out and smoke them to get a
Speaker 3: nicotine hit, I don't know. I'd be willing to do
Speaker 3: an experiment and find out. But yeah, so nicotine itself, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you could be addicted to it the same way you
Speaker 3: could be addicted to any addictive substance. But there is
Speaker 3: no such thing as a nicotine cancer that has ever
Speaker 3: been recorded in medical history.
Speaker 2: No, it just doesn't happen. And the final ingredient would
Speaker 2: be food grade flavorings, so the same kind used in
Speaker 2: baked goods and candy. So when heated properly, vaping avoids
Speaker 2: the combustion toxins entirely interesting because you're not lighting it
Speaker 2: on fire. It's more of a heating than an external flame.
Speaker 3: It's the same conversation if you have a diffuser in
Speaker 3: your home, that vapor that is going up, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a heat to it. It's not like it's being
Speaker 3: boiled off either. It's being vaporized.
Speaker 2: I mean vix vaporizer. Yeah, those things are fucking awesome.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: And although I think that they have found a way
Speaker 2: to corner that market by selling those stupid little fucking
Speaker 2: tabs that run out after one night. I'm like, just
Speaker 2: give it the liquid, bro, that's all I Ah, yeah, doubt.
Speaker 2: But anyhow, so when he did properly, vaping avoids the
Speaker 2: combustion toxins entirely. Overheating can create small amounts of what
Speaker 2: they're called u atul hides. Yeah, ald hides. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: we go. But the levels are drastically lower than cigarette smoke.
Speaker 2: That's why studies keep finding vaping has a fraction of
Speaker 2: the toxic load, and yet governments regulate in band vapes
Speaker 2: while selling cigarettes without a blink. It's yeah, regulation, it's
Speaker 2: all policy. It has nothing to do with what's safer
Speaker 2: in what's healthier. It's about what they can do to tax,
Speaker 2: and they have not found a way to tax. You
Speaker 2: can't tax nicotine, and and that's something that I just
Speaker 2: recently learned. You cannot tax nicotine because.
Speaker 3: It's like it's in tomatoes, dude.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is that it's the reason why you
Speaker 2: have think about what are they called like fucking multi
Speaker 2: vitamins and shit like that. Right, they can tax all
Speaker 2: that because they have created a substitute for vitamin A
Speaker 2: four vitamin B, four, vitamin C, and they have patented
Speaker 2: it in that way.
Speaker 3: You can't patent nature. And that's how you came out. Well,
Speaker 3: you say that they keep patenting plants. That's the thing
Speaker 3: that just keeps on happening, which blows my mind.
Speaker 2: But well, probably their own, you know, hybrid plant, I
Speaker 2: would imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now that being said, also, you brought up adult
Speaker 3: hides are a deal aldehydes. Aldehydes, right, so I know
Speaker 3: there's gonna be somebody say, see, see that's the cancer,
Speaker 3: that's what's making them bad. All right. So, an aldehyde
Speaker 3: are a class of organic compound characterized by a carbonyl
Speaker 3: group all right, bonded to a hydrogen atom and a
Speaker 3: carbon atom represented by the general formula of RCHO. They
Speaker 3: are versatile compounds found in various applications from synthetic chemistry
Speaker 3: to biological systems. Okay, now, what are the dangers of
Speaker 3: these things? Because they do naturally occur. I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: that one again. They naturally occur. Okay. Atol hides, while
Speaker 3: naturally occurring, can pose significant health dangers due to their
Speaker 3: reactivity and potential toxicity. Exposure can lead to various issues,
Speaker 3: including respiratory irritation, allergic reactions, or even cancer. Long term exposure,
Speaker 3: especially to certain atol hides like formaldehyde and as acetyl
Speaker 3: acetl hyde at acetyl high excuse me is linked to
Speaker 3: increased rees of cancer an other diseases. So yes fromaldehyde
Speaker 3: and a sadal hide if you're ingesting those things can
Speaker 3: have disastrous effects. But like that's not news to anyone.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows that smoking fromale hide it and good for you.
Speaker 3: That is not the type of atal hide that's going
Speaker 3: to be coming from a vape.
Speaker 2: Well then, so the original vapes had from how to
Speaker 2: hide in them, and then they they got banned out
Speaker 2: of there and a lot of the companies started taking
Speaker 2: the fromut to hide out of there because a lot
Speaker 2: of people were complaining.
Speaker 3: I had no idea. So when you say the earlier ones,
Speaker 3: like that's confirmed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think that that really started coming into
Speaker 2: effect about three or four years ago that they started
Speaker 2: taking out the formaldehyde. And because that was a reason
Speaker 2: that that was some of the pushback from the consumer
Speaker 2: that like, oh, from out to hide in this shit,
Speaker 2: what the fuck get it out of here. I'm basically
Speaker 2: smoking a cigarette and they've taken it out and they've
Speaker 2: actually if you look into especially some of the bigger
Speaker 2: ones that we mentioned, if you look into it, they
Speaker 2: actually have taken a lot into account as far as
Speaker 2: trying to make it safer and not its dangerous. So
Speaker 2: that's the opposite of what tobacco companies are doing. They're
Speaker 2: just more and more and more shit.
Speaker 3: They're just leaning into it at this point.
Speaker 2: So and we have a couple of articles we're going
Speaker 2: to get into on that as well. But all right,
Speaker 2: so the science is that it's harm reduction. The vaping
Speaker 2: is so if you're going to if you're going to smoke,
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot easier on your body, on your lungs, everything,
Speaker 2: everything that your body's made up of if you are
Speaker 2: going to vape. And so they call it actually a
Speaker 2: harm reduction almost like what is that ship that people.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's like methadone to methadicts.
Speaker 2: No, because that's actually even more dangerous believe or not.
Speaker 3: Like does somebody go into the methadone clinic instead of
Speaker 3: going and trying to score it on the street.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look into that, dude, like the methadone
Speaker 2: shit is actually more dangerous than the the illegal drugs themselves.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about like suboxin maybe.
Speaker 2: M cretum That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: Creatom Okay, okay, it's.
Speaker 2: Like creatum compared to you know, meth or heroin. I
Speaker 2: don't know why people do creatim. I can't remember. I've
Speaker 2: never donrowin one of those drugs. Heroin. Okay, yeah, kreatom
Speaker 2: is the healthier substitute to heroin then, right exactly. I
Speaker 2: mean it's you would rather not do either one of them,
Speaker 2: but if you're going to do one of them, you
Speaker 2: should do creatim.
Speaker 3: Like nobody's going to go out and try to like
Speaker 3: steal a catalytic converter to score some k You know
Speaker 3: they will do that to score some h right right now.
Speaker 2: So let's be clear first, vaping is not risk free,
Speaker 2: but it is a game changer for harm reduction. The
Speaker 2: UK's Public Health England says that it's at least check
Speaker 2: this out. The UK's Public Health England has said that
Speaker 2: it that vaping is at least ninety five percent safer
Speaker 2: than smoking. I think that's five percent safer.
Speaker 3: I think that's more generous towards tobacco. I would actually
Speaker 3: put it more towards like a ninety eight ninety nine
Speaker 3: percent to be perfect, get honest with you.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, at least so smokers have switched
Speaker 2: to vaping. See their exposure to carcinogens drop to near
Speaker 2: non smoker levels within weeks, Respiratory symptoms improve, cardiovascular strains lessons,
Speaker 2: and quit rates rise. Why isn't this blasted across every
Speaker 2: public health campaign? Because harm reduction doesn't fit the quote
Speaker 2: unquote quit or die morality play that help bureaucrats and
Speaker 2: anti nicotine activists push, and because a healthier, longer living
Speaker 2: X smoker isn't feeding the same tax base or corporate
Speaker 2: interest as a smoker buying two packs a day.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's the way of looking at it.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: Nextly we have the money trail, and old boy, is
Speaker 2: there a fucking money trail which I'm just gonna glaze over.
Speaker 2: These are These are some of the points, and then
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to the actual articles. Next the money trail,
Speaker 2: which is the tobacco taxes tobacco and dude, you want
Speaker 2: to talk about lobbying, and oh, dude, like not only
Speaker 2: just lobbying to get these things legalized, but lobbying to
Speaker 2: certain presidents and political parties and conservative and liberal and
Speaker 2: fucking Republican and Democrat. Nobody is nobody's free from taking
Speaker 2: a dollar from big tobacco.
Speaker 3: No, it's like oil money, like the oil lobbyists and
Speaker 3: shit like that. Bro, big tobacco. That's that's all DC ties,
Speaker 3: that's all DC money. This is this is systemic. It
Speaker 3: is it's like almost organic to d C. This isn't
Speaker 3: like something just came about in the nineteen sixties by
Speaker 3: any fucking means. No, no, no, no, this is long,
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 2: So tobacco tax revenue is a government drug in its
Speaker 2: own right. In the United States, states pull in, uh,
Speaker 2: they pull in twelve billion dollars annually from tobacco taxes,
Speaker 2: and the federal government grabs billions more. That doesn't include
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety eight Master Settlement Agreement, where tobacco companies
Speaker 2: agreed to pay States two hundred and six billion dollars
Speaker 2: over twenty five years, payments tied directly to cigarette sales.
Speaker 2: When people quit smoking and switch to vaping, those revenues, uh,
Speaker 2: those revenue streams they shrink. Instead of adapting with a
Speaker 2: fair nicotine tax, most governments cling to tobacco specific taxes
Speaker 2: because they're embedded in budgets. This is why vaping gets demonized.
Speaker 2: It's not a health threat, it's a budget threat. Absolutely
Speaker 2: agree with that, unabsolutely fucking real. And you notice it
Speaker 2: just goes know how insincere the entire government is. Like,
Speaker 2: not that you needed this episode to prove that to you,
Speaker 2: but I mean it just pours a little bit more
Speaker 2: fucking diesel onto the fire, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I mean, this goes back a lot further than people
Speaker 3: really want to think. Does anybody know why up until recently,
Speaker 3: the smoking age was eighteen, but the drinking age was
Speaker 3: twenty one? Oh boy? Anybody curious as to why that
Speaker 3: might be? I'm curious why is that?
Speaker 6: You know?
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Speaker 3: No, it's less than a pack of cigarettes, say that
Speaker 3: way less and a lot better for you and your
Speaker 3: third eye. Yes, surgeon General says so. Anyway, so as
Speaker 3: we're talking about this, yeah, recently, tobacco products were made
Speaker 3: by law to where you have to be twenty one
Speaker 3: to buy them, but that wasn't always the case. Alcohol
Speaker 3: for the longest time was not a twenty one thing, right.
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson is the reason why the drinking age in
Speaker 3: America got raised to twenty one. Are you ready for this?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And for anybody listening that wants to try to fact
Speaker 3: check this, I already did. It's mind blowing, but it
Speaker 3: is real. It goes back from the Vietnam War and
Speaker 3: then it ends with Michael Jackson in the nineties. Let's
Speaker 3: fucking go.
Speaker 7: Michael Jackson is the reason you need to be twenty
Speaker 7: one to drink alcohol.
Speaker 8: Seriously, So it's the Roaring twenties. These Americans are partying
Speaker 8: like crazy, and Congress starts.
Speaker 7: To realize your owner, the country can't get nothing done
Speaker 7: with Audi Runch running ram and they passed the eighteenth
Speaker 7: Amendment prohibition no making, selling, or consuming alcohol.
Speaker 8: But then instead of drinking, people just turn to organized
Speaker 8: crime and violent So Congress is like your owner, way
Speaker 8: need to repay you at their amendment and the country
Speaker 8: can't get nothing done with Audi Crup running round.
Speaker 7: And if he comes up to each state to set
Speaker 7: their legal drinking it most was twenty one years old.
Speaker 8: But then you've got Richard Nixon like, we need more
Speaker 8: eighteen year olds to fight in my veya an amaze vote.
Speaker 7: So the twenty sixth Amendment is passed, letting eighteen year
Speaker 7: olds vote for the first time.
Speaker 8: So states decided that eighteen year old should be able.
Speaker 3: To drink too.
Speaker 7: The only problem eighteen year olds are done, they start
Speaker 7: drive and Michael Jackson starts putting out anti drunk driving
Speaker 7: ads set to his music.
Speaker 8: So the new president, Ronald Reagan, has to do.
Speaker 2: Something with hoe five percent of a stage highway fund.
Speaker 2: If they do not raise they're drinking age.
Speaker 3: To twenty one, then they all did, Michael, So there
Speaker 3: you have it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Reagan came in and said that he was gonna withhold
Speaker 3: funds from any state that did not raise their drinking
Speaker 3: age to twenty one.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: So do we really want to talk about what just
Speaker 3: happened to where they said they were going to withhold
Speaker 3: funding from the states unless they raise their smoking age
Speaker 3: to twenty one?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean it just out. They don't care, bro,
Speaker 2: they don't care. They don't fucking health like getting out
Speaker 2: of your mind. They don't care about your health, they
Speaker 2: don't care about your well being. They want you poisoned.
Speaker 2: So uh, if they're trying to it, it's almost like, oh,
Speaker 2: what is it the Evil Queen or whatever in snow White.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even queen, I don't know if they ever gave
Speaker 3: her a name.
Speaker 2: The Evil Queen. It's like she's always trying to give
Speaker 2: the apple to snow White, right, because it's poisoned and
Speaker 2: it'll make her fall asleep and all this other shit. Right,
Speaker 2: but now imagine that there is a Chinese queen that
Speaker 2: cover the actually yeah, Panda Panda, But now imagine this
Speaker 2: Chinese queen is coming over and saying, look, that apple's
Speaker 2: poisonous as fuck, and yeah, I have this apple. It's
Speaker 2: still pretty poisonous, but it's not going to kill you.
Speaker 2: And there's actually zero confirmed deaths to vaping related shit
Speaker 2: nicotine vaping not entirely across the board. And so it's
Speaker 2: like the government doesn't like that. They want to keep
Speaker 2: on giving you the Evil Queen apple because they want
Speaker 2: you poisoned, because it feeds big Pharma. It keeps the
Speaker 2: population down a little bit. You know, they're always talking
Speaker 2: about reducing the world's population, right, And so they try
Speaker 2: and poison you in all these different types of ways.
Speaker 2: Vaccine is one of them. You know, the harmful chemicals
Speaker 2: in your food and water, and we talk about all
Speaker 2: the time. They want you poisoned as much as they
Speaker 2: possibly can, because that is how they maintain control if
Speaker 2: they have it. Think about it, we as citizens. Some
Speaker 2: people don't like that word, but we as citizens of
Speaker 2: this country, we outnumber them, like what one thousand to one,
Speaker 2: not even probably more than that, right.
Speaker 3: Ten, Probably a million to one something like.
Speaker 2: That, probably a million to one. If we were to
Speaker 2: rise against them, they would be trampled overnight. Okay, So
Speaker 2: they need you poisoned, they need you sick, They need
Speaker 2: you thinking that we need them. So this is one
Speaker 2: of their ways. And obviously this would be one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why they're trying to ban vaping, because it
Speaker 2: reduces the clutches that they have on your back as
Speaker 2: far as reducing the population and keeping you sick.
Speaker 3: Because you think.
Speaker 2: About it, one of the biggest money makers within big
Speaker 2: pharma is a cancer treatment. And if there is less
Speaker 2: people getting cancer, we can't be having not.
Speaker 3: Like you said earlier, right, so one of the things
Speaker 3: that could potentially be in these vapes is from aldehyde, right,
Speaker 3: which is not good. Not I'm with you one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: but do you mean the chemical that's in every cigarette
Speaker 3: known from aldehyde? It's that chemical compound is in them.
Speaker 3: So if we're gonna really call a spade a spade,
Speaker 3: they're gonna they all have tried to throw this smear
Speaker 3: campaign on vapes to say, oh, you know, those are
Speaker 3: just as bad as cigarettes, or there's a whole group
Speaker 3: that really believe these are worse than cigarettes because they
Speaker 3: were told by somebody who was told by somebody, and well,
Speaker 3: you know, it's that new shit and it's just worse
Speaker 3: aus it's even worse. They and all this the smear
Speaker 3: campaign worked because literally, we just led there's seven thousand compounds,
Speaker 3: seventy of which are confirmed they're going to give you cancer.
Speaker 3: These there may possibly be one thing in them, and
Speaker 3: that's a very small chance that's even in them. And
Speaker 3: to say that a little bit of that is going
Speaker 3: to give you the same effects as smoke, looking something
Speaker 3: with seventy I'm sorry, like it's not even a fair comparison.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get to big tobacco strategy. Now, so
Speaker 2: think do you think that big tobacco hates vaping? Think again,
Speaker 2: they've bought in Okay, not just a couple of them
Speaker 2: that we named earlier, but there are some some big
Speaker 2: names here at Steak. So first you have Altria, which
Speaker 2: is actually it's just rebranded from Philip Morris. So just
Speaker 2: as Philip Morris Altria, or Philip Morris owns a Steak
Speaker 2: in Jewel, British American Tobacco owns Views, japan Tobacco owns Logic,
Speaker 2: so they play both sides. They lobby to ban or
Speaker 2: restrict flavored vapes from independent shops. They keep their own
Speaker 2: tobacco flavored corporate pods legal. They don't have a problem
Speaker 2: with that. They ain't got no, they've already they've already
Speaker 2: squeezed everything they can out of them, and now they
Speaker 2: owned them.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: They bankrupt certain companies and then they buy them for
Speaker 2: pennies on the fucking dollar. And now those things aren't
Speaker 2: as harm as all the other vapes because we are
Speaker 2: in control of them, and we obviously care about your health.
Speaker 3: Right, it's a company name, you know, and trust right.
Speaker 2: Philip Morris, Yeah, I mean, hey, you like jewel, I
Speaker 2: mean big Tobacco loves you, baby girl.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: So they keep their own tobacco flavored corporate pods legal.
Speaker 2: They push for regulations that small vape companies can't afford
Speaker 2: to comply with. And so the result is is that
Speaker 2: big tobacco eliminates competition, owns the vape market, and still
Speaker 2: sells billions of cigarettes. A monopoly on nicotine, whether you
Speaker 2: burn it or vaporize it, That's how it runs.
Speaker 3: That's how the monopoly game goes. Man, That's how big business.
Speaker 3: This is like the biggest of big business. This is
Speaker 3: high level stakes here. That's how it goes. That's how
Speaker 3: they operate.
Speaker 2: They don't just own fucking boardwalk and park place, Bro,
Speaker 2: they own the board exactly. That's the thing is that
Speaker 2: you're playing on their field. They have the home field advantage.
Speaker 2: They owned the refs, they owned the coaches, they owned
Speaker 2: the stadium, they owned the state where the stadium is.
Speaker 2: The entire game is rigged in their favor, and they're
Speaker 2: going to do They're they're going to stop at nothing
Speaker 2: to control all of it. That's why I do believe
Speaker 2: that vapes will absolutely be completely taken away because the
Speaker 2: the little vape companies, dude, hey, you want to talk
Speaker 2: about they're they're minnows swimming in an ocean of sharks.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially one that they like we said earlier,
Speaker 3: this is this is old money, This is long standing
Speaker 3: ties to legality. These, like you said, smaller vape companies
Speaker 3: and I know, like the ones we just listed Geek
Speaker 3: bar Elf bar U Raz. These are big vape companies.
Speaker 3: But as compared to Philip Morris, that's that's not even
Speaker 3: a fair compared. This is this is comparing your micro
Speaker 3: brewery to Anheuser Busch. That's what that is.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a shack versus a castle bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's comparing a Beta brewing company, which is
Speaker 3: not a micro brewery. They have, they got beer all
Speaker 3: over the country, all over the world, out to Abida,
Speaker 3: but they are not anywhere in the conversation as a
Speaker 3: comparison to Anheuser Busch.
Speaker 2: Give me that Barney Baby, Yeah, yeah, Andy, Gator and
Speaker 2: Purple Hayes.
Speaker 3: I like the Boot also, it's pretty.
Speaker 2: The Boot is probably my favorite Abita beer. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: agree with you on that.
Speaker 3: It's getting harder to find.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know why it was such a
Speaker 2: such a good beer. I thought that it was the
Speaker 2: best one I thought, I mean, Purple Hayes is like
Speaker 2: the most famous one.
Speaker 3: I mean that's they're tried and true. You know, that's
Speaker 3: that's that good.
Speaker 2: Good it is. It is so uh Now there is
Speaker 2: uh political influence and donations as well. And like I said,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be getting to those numbers into you know,
Speaker 2: UH said, constituents that are receiving benefits from big tobacco.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna follow the campaign money. Check this out, bro.
Speaker 2: In Australia, the National Party, which I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's their conservative or liberal.
Speaker 3: Probably there I would think they're they're liberal. Honestly, show
Speaker 3: is a pretty uh liberal place by and large.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the National Party took donations from tobacco companies
Speaker 2: and then backed harsh vape bands. In the United States,
Speaker 2: lawmakers in states with strict vape laws often received campaigns
Speaker 2: from campaign cash from Altria, R. J. Reynolds and other giants.
Speaker 2: So it's not a conspiracy. It's public record. Money talks,
Speaker 2: and in politics, it rights the laws. So wow, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: And like.
Speaker 3: I said, we got it right. By the way, the
Speaker 3: Nationalist Party or the Nationalist Party in Australia is the
Speaker 3: right wing party. So I was wrong.
Speaker 2: It made more sense to me. Usually liberals are anti
Speaker 2: national anything.
Speaker 3: So very true, very true.
Speaker 2: They're more global.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then there's a regulatory capture as well. So by
Speaker 2: legally defining vaping as a tobacco product, even if it
Speaker 2: contains zero tobacco leaf, governments get to apply the same taxes,
Speaker 2: the same restrictions, and advertizing bands. This keeps vaping stigmatized,
Speaker 2: keeps the public confused, and allows total control over what
Speaker 2: can be sold to whom and where so all within
Speaker 2: the literature itself. Why would I mean? Yes, nicotine is
Speaker 2: derived mainly mostly from tobacco, but there is no actual
Speaker 2: tobacco leaf. And this is the argument on behalf of
Speaker 2: the vaping party, is that, why are you putting tobacco
Speaker 2: you know, laws on something that is tobacco lists.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine if the alcohol companies tried doing that,
Speaker 3: if out of nowhere, name a big liquor company, Jack
Speaker 3: Daniels tried putting and lobbying in DC to put restrictions
Speaker 3: on coca cola.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Well, it has water in it, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right, Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: So crazy. Then you know, you know, the World Health Organization,
Speaker 2: she got a little something to say about this. So
Speaker 2: whose framework? The whose framework contention on tobacco control, that's
Speaker 2: the name of their thing. It pushes anti vape measures globally,
Speaker 2: treating them no differently than cigarettes. Countries that rely on
Speaker 2: who funding or want to align with its policies follow suit. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: big pharma selling nicotine patches, gum, and prescription cessation drugs
Speaker 2: benefits when vaping is suppressed. So the overlap between these
Speaker 2: interest is really is really discussed in mainstream media. So
Speaker 2: if we are going to look at vaping as a
Speaker 2: healthier alternative to smoking, meanwhile the World Health Organization is
Speaker 2: benefiting from nicotine patches, nicotine gum, and some of the
Speaker 2: drugs that they use. What was that big one that
Speaker 2: people It was a pill that people were taken to
Speaker 2: try and quit smoking. It got like robo chantis chantics.
Speaker 2: Then they found out that it was extremely fucking dangerous
Speaker 2: and nobody should be taking it.
Speaker 3: Who could have seen that coming a mile away?
Speaker 2: I know the World Health Organization funded that. Okay, hmm,
Speaker 2: they funded all They fund all these things. They back
Speaker 2: all of these things as well. So they're the ones
Speaker 2: that are benefiting from people quitting, and they're like, look,
Speaker 2: we got this shit and we're gonna help you quit. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the big Vabe company wants to come come along and say, look,
Speaker 2: we want to try and get you to quit smoking cigarettes. Whooo, whoa,
Speaker 2: you hold your fucking horses. We already got that absolutely.
Speaker 3: Wow. I didn't know the World Health Organization is the
Speaker 3: ones that were behind chantics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all of it. Yeah, it's crazy. So and
Speaker 2: then of course there's black market backfire. So bands don't
Speaker 2: kill demand. I don't know if anybody knows that.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, you're telling me that
Speaker 3: if they take it off the shelves, the streets will
Speaker 3: find a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. It's almost like guns, right.
Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody's ever written that down somewhere. You know,
Speaker 3: as we just learned from that quick little clip about
Speaker 3: how when they made alcohol illegal, the organized crime skyrocketed
Speaker 3: because they now had a new medium to sell. You know,
Speaker 3: street pushers are gonna push, the streets are going to eat,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But hey, I wonder if
Speaker 3: anybody else at the top knows that or something.
Speaker 2: It's crazy you think marijuana dealers would benefit if marijuana
Speaker 2: was made illegal in every state.
Speaker 3: You mean like the shops or you mean like a
Speaker 3: street dealer, street dealers, you know, when more and more
Speaker 3: states started legalizing weed, Oddly enough, the weed dealers on
Speaker 3: the streets, yeah, they saw an initial dip, sure, but
Speaker 3: more often than not, they're cheaper than the dispensaries, so
Speaker 3: their standard customers continued to go to them. It really
Speaker 3: didn't take away the organized crime, if we're going to
Speaker 3: really call that organized crime, but it didn't increase it either.
Speaker 3: But to your point, if they made weed outright illegal,
Speaker 3: honishable by ten years in prison, right now, would that
Speaker 3: be good or bad for your street corner pusher?
Speaker 2: The black market would definitely see an increase for sure, and.
Speaker 3: The price would also go through the fucking roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah it would. And so now you have illegal versus
Speaker 2: legal as far as battling for market market share and
Speaker 2: market price and everything like that. You know, might be
Speaker 2: might be good for the economy or the economy the
Speaker 2: way they see it, but yeah, it's a And honestly,
Speaker 2: like you know, I mean me personally, I always felt
Speaker 2: better about buying weed from quote unquote black market dealer
Speaker 2: rather than getting it from a dispensary or you know,
Speaker 2: a store or something like that, especially in states where
Speaker 2: they only allow like Delta eight, Delta nine, Delta ten
Speaker 2: and all these different deltas, right, because all they are
Speaker 2: is just spin offs. And I mean I personally, I
Speaker 2: mean I've smoked all the deltas and it doesn't doesn't
Speaker 2: feel the same as regular does. And also think about it, dude,
Speaker 2: Like these dispensaries, bro, I mean, the fucking thc percentage
Speaker 2: is through the goddamn roof, Like it's tough, fucking strong,
Speaker 2: And I mean, I miss Reggie. You can't find Reggie anymore.
Speaker 3: Nah, You've definitely got to support your local farmer, right,
Speaker 3: and in this instance, support your local dealer if you
Speaker 3: are somebody that does partake. But that's the thing, right,
Speaker 3: If they were to outright criminalize it, and I mean yeah,
Speaker 3: certain states it is, and federally it is and all that, Yeah, fine, fine, fine,
Speaker 3: if they were to really put weight behind that and
Speaker 3: put pressure behind the illegalization of marijuana, bro, yeah, the
Speaker 3: price would probably double even on the streets. Then all
Speaker 3: those white frat boys that have been buying eighths from
Speaker 3: their guy for like for years, would find out what
Speaker 3: an eighth is actually worth, there'd be fistfights over it,
Speaker 3: I'll say that much. But yeah, it's it's crazy, It
Speaker 3: would be absolutely insane. But of course they're not gonna
Speaker 3: do that because that would make the war on drugs
Speaker 3: go to a level that the prison system can't actually
Speaker 3: compete with, Like they don't have the bedspace for that
Speaker 3: many hardened criminals of non violent crimes, of course, but like, oh,
Speaker 3: hardened criminals, And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Well, it's all about the public perception of it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You look up one or two people and I and
Speaker 2: this is what I've recently found is that Texas is
Speaker 2: going to be illegally there. They're going to be illegalizing
Speaker 2: vaping and vaping products and all that shit as of
Speaker 2: September first. And from what I've heard, I cannot confirm
Speaker 2: or deny this, but from what I've heard, it's going
Speaker 2: to be illegal to even have it on your person.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah yeah, So like.
Speaker 3: Oh Louisian is going to follow suit, God damn it.
Speaker 2: Yep, load the fuck up. I mean that's September first,
Speaker 2: and so there are other states that are obviously going
Speaker 2: to be a little bit slower to pull the trigger
Speaker 2: on that, but you know they're all going to follow suit.
Speaker 2: Like dude, California is all the way in on it,
Speaker 2: Massachusetts all the way in on it. New York's all
Speaker 2: the way in on it. Louisiana is all the way
Speaker 2: in on it. Eventually every state is going to comply
Speaker 2: with this because every state is going to see their
Speaker 2: their certain pack money for certain representatives that you vote in.
Speaker 2: You think vaping companies are sending politicians money. No, that's
Speaker 2: just not it's they're not there yet.
Speaker 3: And you know I was gonna quit vaping, like before
Speaker 3: you even did this episode. I planned on quitting as
Speaker 3: like my New Year's resolution for this year coming up.
Speaker 3: I got some things there coming up this fall. They're
Speaker 3: gonna be stressful. Now is not the time for that,
Speaker 3: But like next year, I was gonna like realistically put
Speaker 3: it down for good. Of course cigars on occasion, but
Speaker 3: like the everyday nicotine addiction.
Speaker 5: Now I don't wanna no, now, I don't fucking wanna Okay,
Speaker 5: like they did this, and also just to work clear
Speaker 5: again to reiterate the whole nicotine is not bad for
Speaker 5: you thing.
Speaker 3: You realize they just made it known FDC approved that
Speaker 3: the fucking pouches Zen's. Yeah, they're actually not bad for
Speaker 3: you at all.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. You can fucking hike twenty of
Speaker 2: those bad boys in your mouth and be all right.
Speaker 3: Those are literally just nicotine salt, the exact same nicotine
Speaker 3: salt that is inside of this vape. So if we're
Speaker 3: just gonna keep it one thou, well here, let's make
Speaker 3: sure we're all on the same page. The government has
Speaker 3: no issue with nicotine. It's the way you ingest it
Speaker 3: that they're trying to regulate.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, that's it. If they ain't making a money,
Speaker 2: it's all the sudden bad for your health. Absolutely, absolutely
Speaker 2: crazy how that shit works. So if vaping was openly
Speaker 2: acknowledged as safer, cigarettes would look indefensible. If nicotine taxes
Speaker 2: replaced tobacco taxes, the quote unquote morale crusade would collapse.
Speaker 2: So the narrative must be maintained. Keep vaping scary, keep
Speaker 2: tobacco legal, keep the tax base secure. This is perception management,
Speaker 2: not public health. It's all absolute people believe, right, So
Speaker 2: the people pushing these bands aren't your guardians. They're managers
Speaker 2: of a revenue stream, every law, every press conference, every
Speaker 2: quote unquote for the children SoundBite is theater to protect
Speaker 2: the cash flow and corporate partners the health angle. Well,
Speaker 2: that's just costume.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Now we do need to give the distinction on
Speaker 3: this one as well. There are significant numbers of children,
Speaker 3: and by children, I don't mean high schoolers like elementary
Speaker 3: and primary school kids that are bringing vapes to school. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is real life, one hundred percent. But I should
Speaker 3: also give a mention of this. So one of the
Speaker 3: ex wives teaches out of school local to the home, okay.
Speaker 3: And if you go to the ISSP teacher, the disciplinarian,
Speaker 3: I don't know what everybody calls their shit in school
Speaker 3: suspension correspondent, disciplinarian, the teacher you go to when you
Speaker 3: fucked up and got rote up and now you got
Speaker 3: to go sit in a different room for the rest
Speaker 3: of the day.
Speaker 2: That person, Okay, it was always the principal to me.
Speaker 3: Okay, Sometimes the principal is the disciplinarian. Sometimes they have
Speaker 3: a designator teacher for that, but either way goes right.
Speaker 3: If you go to their desk drawer and open it up,
Speaker 3: you're gonna find a bunch of contraband items that they
Speaker 3: took from these kids. You are going to find a
Speaker 3: drawer full of fucking vapes. That is a true statement. Okay, fair,
Speaker 3: but we also need to keep it one hundred percent here.
Speaker 3: Two years ago, a fourth grader got off of the bus,
Speaker 3: went straight to the boy's room and lit up a cigarette.
Speaker 2: Nobody probably said anything about that one, though, huh oh.
Speaker 3: No, No, he got suspended, right, and like, actually, I
Speaker 3: think that was like his ninth offense of doing some shit,
Speaker 3: so I think he got expelled. But beside the point,
Speaker 3: if a parent or guardian is going to be careless
Speaker 3: about where they leave their substances of whatever that might be,
Speaker 3: the kids are going to grab it, regardless if it's
Speaker 3: a cigarette, regardless if it's a beer that you left
Speaker 3: out and your kid's just gonna see it and nobody's
Speaker 3: looking at he's gonna just chug the rest of it
Speaker 3: and move on. Like And I'm not saying that every
Speaker 3: kid is up to no good. I'm saying that, depending
Speaker 3: on the home, in the environment, or whatever, vapes are
Speaker 3: not more readily accessible than cigarettes. They are easier to hide.
Speaker 3: And I will give you that, but again, the flavorings
Speaker 3: are not targeted towards children, because if that was the case,
Speaker 3: we're saying that candy is specifically only targeted for kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same way the cereal companies are using it.
Speaker 3: Oh I forgot only children eat cereal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, trade they're the only ones, Jacob.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly, kids are the only ones eating sugary cereals.
Speaker 3: I forgot when you hit twenty five, all of a
Speaker 3: sudden you just love Brand Flakes more than fucking Reese's Puffs.
Speaker 3: I forgot that that's how that works.
Speaker 2: Give me those cocoa pebbles bro all day.
Speaker 3: Exactly right. That it out loud, That makes no sense. Now, Yes,
Speaker 3: I agree that these are a lot easier to hide,
Speaker 3: and a kid can swipe this a lot easier and
Speaker 3: get away with it than swiping a cigarette and coming
Speaker 3: in smelling like an ash tray. Like Okay, I can
Speaker 3: at least understand their argument here, but it is not
Speaker 3: the governments and to protect your children by any means.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the same government that up until very recently,
Speaker 3: in elementary school libraries had books explaining to children how
Speaker 3: to have gay butt.
Speaker 2: Sex with each other and blow job shit.
Speaker 3: Like the same government entities are all of a sudden
Speaker 3: really worried about your children's health.
Speaker 2: No, they're not, not at all, not at all. So
Speaker 2: once you see the vaporing game, you start seeing the pattern. Everywhere.
Speaker 2: They restrict what threatens corporate profits, They monopolize it, they
Speaker 2: tax it, and then they sell it back to you
Speaker 2: as a quote unquote approved option. Whether it's food, medicine, energy,
Speaker 2: or information. It's the same blueprint. If you remember, whenever
Speaker 2: people were doing their own research that God said that,
Speaker 2: you got told that it's unsafe to do your own research.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't do that, you should rely on the experts
Speaker 2: to what they say. Meanwhile, you go back and you
Speaker 2: check the experts, the quote unquote experts that told you
Speaker 2: to wear a mask, that told you to stand six
Speaker 2: feet up part to stay inside, to not go to work.
Speaker 2: That only what were the people called that were allowed
Speaker 2: to go and drive.
Speaker 3: Uh shuh. Not necessary workers. It was essential that's what
Speaker 3: essential employees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was an essential worker, so I was.
Speaker 3: I really loved it.
Speaker 2: I felt really important. But that being said, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they they they don't really care about your health. And
Speaker 2: even the clinical experts are none other than people that
Speaker 2: are just backed by big money in some form or fashion.
Speaker 2: You know, you remember, I mean back in what was
Speaker 2: it the seventies, that our sixties or seventies. That's why
Speaker 2: like mad men became a thing. Back in the sixties
Speaker 2: or seventies. They did every single scientific experiment to prove
Speaker 2: to to prove that, you know, smoking was okay for
Speaker 2: pregnant women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we were doctors that were prescribing it to
Speaker 3: pregnant women at one point in time.
Speaker 2: So it's always been money. It's it hasn't changed. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's just changed form. That's really what we're looking at.
Speaker 2: And then oh, dude, there's one episode I remember.
Speaker 3: It was so all the results came back and they
Speaker 3: knew beyond any shadow of any doubt that cigarettes were
Speaker 3: bad for you, and they were trying to find a
Speaker 3: way for the ad agency to spin it in a
Speaker 3: semi positive light. One guy was like, well, humans inherently
Speaker 3: have suicidal tendencies. Why don't we just lean into that,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're gonna die, why not die with us?
Speaker 3: And then uh, Don Draper's character was like, no, that's
Speaker 3: fucking stupid, Like, no, that that's not gonna get sales whatsoever.
Speaker 3: So tell me the process of how to make a cigarette.
Speaker 3: They're like, you grow the tobacco, you let it dry,
Speaker 3: you cut it, you toast it. You do this. He's like, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: that's it. It's toasted. That's gonna be the thing on
Speaker 3: your cigarette to say that you're better than your competitor.
Speaker 3: And the guys are like, no, every cigarette company toasts
Speaker 3: their tobacco. You have to. He's like, no, they don't.
Speaker 3: The public does not know that. Therefore no one else
Speaker 3: does that but you, and that's what we're gonna run with.
Speaker 3: It was like, bye, I forget the name brand, buy
Speaker 3: so and so cigarettes. It's toasted, and like that was
Speaker 3: the thing. And then they leaned into its toasty flavor
Speaker 3: and all these things and like, yeah, it's bad for you,
Speaker 3: but like bro, it tastes so good though, And that
Speaker 3: was how they ran it, even after they knew that
Speaker 3: it was going to kill you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't care about actually making something safer. They
Speaker 2: just want you to perceive that something is safer. And
Speaker 2: a great example of this would be deodorant. A lot
Speaker 2: of people are a lot of those big companies are
Speaker 2: saying without aluminum. Now you know, there's no no more
Speaker 2: harmful aluminum that's going in here. Meanwhile, you go and
Speaker 2: look at the actual ingredients. It's actually the newer ingredients
Speaker 2: are worse for you than the aluminum was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like and that's not like us saying, oh, you
Speaker 3: know them vapes are worse for you than cigarettes. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: you can do the research on this. There's peer reviewed
Speaker 3: studies on the chemical compounds inside of those deodorant sticks
Speaker 3: that are aluminum free, and they are not good. The
Speaker 3: only ones that I can say that are actually natural
Speaker 3: and not necessarily good for you, but they don't have
Speaker 3: these harmful chemicals are like Doctor Squatch and like some
Speaker 3: of these more all natural brands, but they fucking suck.
Speaker 3: They don't work.
Speaker 2: I know, I know. And the same thing goes for
Speaker 2: even the toothpaste companies. You know a lot are going
Speaker 2: fluoride free, right, and then look into certain chemicals, not
Speaker 2: all of them. There are some of them that are
Speaker 2: actually still like, really good for you. I use Gurunanda,
Speaker 2: which is fluoride free, fluoride free, which seems to be
Speaker 2: a pretty safe one. But companies that I used to
Speaker 2: think that were holistic and they really cared about your health,
Speaker 2: like such as Bird's Bees.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: You look at fucking Bird's Bees toothpaste. Holy shit, is
Speaker 2: that stuff that?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 2: That's way, that's that's worse for you than Colgate bro.
Speaker 3: Dude, toothpaste is one of those things where it really
Speaker 3: is easy to make your own toothpaste. I baking soda
Speaker 3: and peppermint oil is like the one two punch of
Speaker 3: a decent toothpaste. You don't need all the fucking chemical
Speaker 3: compounds of shit that you can't pronounce.
Speaker 2: You really don't, not not at all. So, So anyway,
Speaker 2: this is this is an article that I pulled up
Speaker 2: what is the name vaping three sixty dot com. So
Speaker 2: in Australia, black market vape sales outpaced legal productions seventeen
Speaker 2: hundred to one. Whoa, So you want to talk about
Speaker 2: tobacco taking a big hit, how about seventeen hundred to
Speaker 2: one hit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a drastic tickup.
Speaker 2: So Australia's legal vape market has been destroyed by the
Speaker 2: government mandate that forced sales into pharmacies and replaced by
Speaker 2: an illicit market at least partially controlled by organized crime.
Speaker 2: Now the sale of the failure has become clearer after
Speaker 2: government documents obtained by a newspaper under the Australia Australian
Speaker 2: Freedom of Information Act, OH they have their own for
Speaker 2: you show that legal sales account for only about one
Speaker 2: of every seventeen hundred transactions, so it says. The Daily
Speaker 2: Telegraph obtained pharmacy sales records recently from the Therapeutic Goods Administration,
Speaker 2: the country's drug regulator. The paper reported this week that
Speaker 2: pharmacists reported fewer than six thousand supply notifications per month
Speaker 2: from October twenty twenty four to April twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: According to the newspaper, The TGA, the Therapeutic Goods Administration
Speaker 2: admits that over ten million vapes are sold each month
Speaker 2: on the illicit market. Illegal products, mostly typical Chinese disposable vapes,
Speaker 2: are sold in ordinary retail stores, including vape including smoke
Speaker 2: shops and convenience stores. Legal products and pharmacies are available
Speaker 2: in tobacco, mental and mint flavors only, and must be
Speaker 2: sold in plane packaging. Australia adopted the scheme last year
Speaker 2: after a bill that would have banned all sales without
Speaker 2: a doctor's prescription. Fell through. That's something that they were
Speaker 2: trying to get, Like you had to get a prescription
Speaker 2: to get a vape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember this shit.
Speaker 2: The compromised legislation, passed in June twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 2: in effect since October, allows consumers to purchase vapes without
Speaker 2: a prescription, but only from licensed pharmacies. However, pharmacies were
Speaker 2: not consulted before the legislation was pushed through, and most
Speaker 2: are clearly not interested in being vape retailers. The Daily
Speaker 2: Telegraph says that no more than seven hundred of Australia's
Speaker 2: fifty nine hundred pharmacies are selling non prescription vaping products,
Speaker 2: and even that number may be high because of glitches
Speaker 2: in the TGA's tracking system. On average, each legal seller
Speaker 2: is reporting only one sale every two to three days,
Speaker 2: while over three hundred thousand vapes are sold on the
Speaker 2: black market daily.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine having to go to your local pharmacy
Speaker 3: to pick up a vape, dude, to the same context
Speaker 3: of could you imagine having to go to your local
Speaker 3: pharmacy to buy a pack of smokes?
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean Walgreen sells cigarettes?
Speaker 3: No, but yeah they do, But I mean so does
Speaker 3: every gas station, right, Walmart sells these And I mean
Speaker 3: just like your local what we might call a drug store,
Speaker 3: which is these days called a convenience store. I mean
Speaker 3: you actually have to get a doctor's prescription to go
Speaker 3: to your local pharmacy and buy a pack of smokes.
Speaker 3: That out loud is fucking retarded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's just another way. It's like making people
Speaker 2: get a fucking twig card to enter the plants. It's
Speaker 2: like they're just that's a background check. Yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Some of these plants make chemicals and shit that you
Speaker 3: really need to make sure of this person's of terroristic
Speaker 3: nature or not.
Speaker 2: All right. A better example would be an inspection sticker.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, fuck that that's extortion. I don't participate in
Speaker 3: that program.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's my point there. So uh yeah, Australia
Speaker 2: is going through their own shit with it. Let's move
Speaker 2: to the good old free America. What we want to
Speaker 2: think anyway is free. All right. So in Massachusetts, flavored
Speaker 2: tobacco flavored tobacco band creates robust black market. A new
Speaker 2: report highlights why prohibition does not work. This is an
Speaker 2: article created by Convenience Dot March eleventh, twenty four.
Speaker 3: So flavored tobacco.
Speaker 2: Flavored tobacco band creates a robust black market.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so flavored cigarette? I mean, yeah, you got like
Speaker 3: closed cigarettes and menthols are they they're talking about? Really
Speaker 3: like no more menthols are being sold.
Speaker 2: I think that this is all right. So whenever we
Speaker 2: talk about a tobacco ban in the United States that
Speaker 2: is vapes included, ah, okay, you put it under that
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 3: And most cigarette companies aren't worried about it because most
Speaker 3: of their cigarettes are not flavored, so they're not I
Speaker 3: got you now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, bootleg cigarette smuggling is an ongoing drain on
Speaker 2: law enforcements as elicit tobacco seizures surge and state revenue
Speaker 2: state tax revenue from tobacco sales continue to plummet, According
Speaker 2: to a new report by the Massachusetts Elicit Tobacco Task Force,
Speaker 2: the New England Convenience Store and Energy Marketers Association n
Speaker 2: e c s E M A shit, that's a long
Speaker 2: one scam, it says. Despite enforcement efforts and the hard
Speaker 2: work done by the Illegal Tobacco Task Force, smuggling of
Speaker 2: untaxed tobacco products remains a significant challenge, said the executive
Speaker 2: director of the New England Convenience Store and Energy Marketers Association.
Speaker 2: He goes, smugglers are developing more sophisticated operations to counter
Speaker 2: the task forces targeted investigations. It's clear that the Commonwealth
Speaker 2: is struggling with enforcement, according to the NECSEEMA. The report
Speaker 2: illustrates how the state's ban on flavor tobacco has not
Speaker 2: only failed to curb the use of these products, but
Speaker 2: has created a robust market for illicit, untaxed products and
Speaker 2: cross border smuggling. The ban has cost the state nearly
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollars in lost tax revenue
Speaker 2: from legal sales since it went into effect in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Moving flavor tobacco products out of the heavily regulated retail
Speaker 2: sales environment has been counterproductive and ineffective, he said. While
Speaker 2: criminal criminals rake in cash and flood the streets with
Speaker 2: contraband to fund illegal enterprises, expayers have lost, public health
Speaker 2: is threatened, and retailers who continue to demonstrate high rates
Speaker 2: of compliance are left to suffer as they follow the
Speaker 2: law all out all that money.
Speaker 3: The government's losing their extortion feel on things that aren't
Speaker 3: hurting anybody, all those poor things, So it's killing me.
Speaker 3: They keep calling you flavored tobacco products when this has
Speaker 3: no tobacco in it, that that's killing me here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's the legal policy name that it
Speaker 2: falls under. So the report also notes that new challenges
Speaker 2: associated with the storage and destruction of electronic nicotine delivery
Speaker 2: system or ends.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: So it reports a challenge with the storage and destruction
Speaker 2: of them. So how do you dispose of them? There's
Speaker 2: not really a good way to do, so, it says
Speaker 2: Field Personnel study routinely encountering or seizing untaxed menthol cigarettes
Speaker 2: originally purchased in other states and flavored e nds or
Speaker 2: vapes products and cigars purchased from unlicensed distributors operating both
Speaker 2: within and outside the Commonwealth. Also a decrease of twenty
Speaker 2: five point two million dollars in cigarette excise tax collections
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty three. So yeah, they're they're getting fucking uh,
Speaker 2: they're not collecting their their their passing go.
Speaker 3: Kind of right here.
Speaker 2: Uh. And also an overall decline in tobacco product revenues
Speaker 2: for the fourth consecutive fiscal.
Speaker 3: Year, the fourth consecutive year. Yep.
Speaker 2: The tobacco product revenues are going down four straight years
Speaker 2: and that's going to continue.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 2: So if you wonder why vapes are being restricted, that's
Speaker 2: a big one right there.
Speaker 3: As we have always said, follow the money.
Speaker 2: Follow the money. So the report acknowledge is the need
Speaker 2: for continued data collection, compliance resources, and enforcement coordination to
Speaker 2: uphold state policy. This suggests ongoing challenge is with or
Speaker 2: in effectively coordinating effort, effectively coordinating enforcement efforts, and addressing
Speaker 2: emerging emerging issues within the tobacco industry. It's clear that criminals,
Speaker 2: including organized crime syndicates, are profiting from bootleg cigarettes and
Speaker 2: vapes and have made contraband tobacco products a lucrative part
Speaker 2: of their racketeering endeavors. You mean that, Okay, this is
Speaker 2: this is really what fucking gets me. You want to
Speaker 2: talk about people who are selling it on the streets
Speaker 2: are the criminals. Meanwhile, it's no longer criminalized if you
Speaker 2: can make money off of it. Tell me how that works.
Speaker 2: It's the damn products that are even you, not even
Speaker 2: the same products, way more harmful chemicals that are going
Speaker 2: into what you are selling as legal and you want
Speaker 2: to call everybody else the criminal.
Speaker 3: It's the same reason why you can't have prostitution legal
Speaker 3: because they haven't found a way to tax pussy.
Speaker 2: Dude can't do it.
Speaker 3: That's that's just the way it goes. It's if they
Speaker 3: could find a way to tax it, then like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're down with it one hundred percent. But now we're
Speaker 3: in that weird gray area because vapes are taxable. It's
Speaker 3: very easy to sell them in stores and get a
Speaker 3: tax from it, right, But now you're stepping on the
Speaker 3: toes of the organization that's already got the monopoly, and
Speaker 3: that's bad that's bad news because that organization's got, like
Speaker 3: we said earlier, very deep ties to the lawmakers. So
Speaker 3: some's got to give.
Speaker 2: Well, And that's the thing is that yes, vapes are
Speaker 2: being taxed, but they're being taxed like everything else. They're
Speaker 2: not being taxed like cigarettes. Cigarettes. They slap like one
Speaker 2: hundred percent tax revenue or one hundred percent tax thing
Speaker 2: on top of it, which main reason why the government
Speaker 2: and the states are having an issue with vaping products
Speaker 2: because they make almost they make more than one hundred
Speaker 2: percent profit. Bro, Yeah, more than one hundred percent. That
Speaker 2: is being lost. Now, whenever you're selling a product, like,
Speaker 2: what's the state tax? I don't think it's a state tax.
Speaker 2: I think it varies from parish to parish in Louisiana,
Speaker 2: but I want to say an ascension parish it's like
Speaker 2: ten percent, nine percent something like that.
Speaker 3: On what on tobacco products?
Speaker 2: No, just in general, on on things that you buy
Speaker 2: at the store. I think it's like nine half or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: It's like a nine point five percent tax. But that's
Speaker 3: a state tax on a parish tax. Now, there are
Speaker 3: certain areas that have an additional tax on top of that.
Speaker 3: That's what's then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what I'm saying is is that the vapes
Speaker 2: are only they're getting that tax, but they're not getting
Speaker 2: the additional one hundred percent or whatever that they're getting
Speaker 2: from the cigarettes. Yeah, so that's their issue. They just
Speaker 2: haven't found a way to put a tobacco tax on
Speaker 2: it because there's no fucking tobacco in.
Speaker 3: It, right, And that's the thing. There's a nicotine. If
Speaker 3: they want to put a nicotine tax on it, then
Speaker 3: that's a different conversation.
Speaker 2: They can't do that because the way that they've built
Speaker 2: up this tobacco tax has been an ongoing thing for
Speaker 2: what one hundred years.
Speaker 3: No, they're going to put a nicotine tax on then
Speaker 3: tomatoes just doubled in price as well as much as
Speaker 3: well as most of your fucking produce section. That's that's
Speaker 3: the bit of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is the the article that I was
Speaker 2: talking about the Royal College of Physicians over in the UK,
Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, it says nicotine without smoke Tobacco Harm Reduction.
Speaker 2: This was written in twenty nineteen, says this report provides
Speaker 2: an update on the use of harm reduction in tobacco
Speaker 2: smoking in relation to all non tobacco nicotine products, but
Speaker 2: particularly e cigarettes. Think about how they just wrote that out.
Speaker 2: Non tobacco nicotine products could be dip e cigarettes non tobacco.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that dip is tobacco. You're right, So like
Speaker 3: zen pouches that's nicked, that's non tobacco nicotine products.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, me. And this is the challenge that the
Speaker 2: United States is facing amongst other countries. Whenever they're trying
Speaker 2: to label it as a tobacco product, whenever it is
Speaker 2: clearly a non tobacco nicotine product, right, Okay, So that's
Speaker 2: why they're they're just they would just rather ban it
Speaker 2: rather than implement a new system.
Speaker 3: Right, They're just going to ban the flavorings on tobacco products,
Speaker 3: even though yeah, you can go to court and fight
Speaker 3: it and say, well, this vape has no tobacco in it,
Speaker 3: so we are exempt from everything that you just said.
Speaker 3: The problem is that judge answers to the letter of
Speaker 3: the law, and the letter of the law is written
Speaker 3: by people who are being bought by big tobacco. So
Speaker 3: that's just kind of how the cookie crumbles, right, Right.
Speaker 2: So it says that it shows that for all the
Speaker 2: potential risks involved, harm reduction has a huge potential to
Speaker 2: prevent death and disability from tobacco use and to hasten
Speaker 2: our progress to a tobacco free society. So this was
Speaker 2: an article and a study that they did to try
Speaker 2: and see if if vaping is actually, i don't want
Speaker 2: to say a healthy alternative, but a healthy er alternative
Speaker 2: to cigarettes. So fall following reported deaths and disease in
Speaker 2: the United States linked to vaping see the RCPs position
Speaker 2: statement on different Okay, we're not going to read that part.
Speaker 2: So there are key recommendations that it says it says
Speaker 2: smoking is the biggest avoidable cause of death and disability
Speaker 2: and social inequality and health in the in the United Kingdom,
Speaker 2: So the biggest avoidable cause of death and disability. So
Speaker 2: then it says provision of the nicotine that smokers are
Speaker 2: addicted to without the harmful components of tobacco, of tobacco
Speaker 2: smoke can prevent most of the harm from smoking. So
Speaker 2: that's what they found in one of their things. So
Speaker 2: Nicotine replacement the therapy or NRT is the most effective
Speaker 2: in helping people to stop smoking when used together with
Speaker 2: health professional input and support, but much less so when
Speaker 2: used on its own.
Speaker 3: So if you're that could be patches, right, Nicotine replacement
Speaker 3: therapy so instead of smoking or vaping or dip. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you're telling me nicotine gum and patches are seen
Speaker 3: as very effective ways along with some outside professional help. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would agree with that statement.
Speaker 2: E cigarettes are marketed as consumer products and are proving
Speaker 2: much more popular than NRT as a substitute and competitor
Speaker 2: for tobacco cigarettes. So they give you that fucking nicotine
Speaker 2: hit those patches suck, dude, the nicotine gum. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: it's not enough.
Speaker 3: I cannot fucking pull out a filling trying to chew
Speaker 3: that bitch for a second, then tucking it back in
Speaker 3: your lip. Then those patches. I remember trying to quit
Speaker 3: while I was in the Marine Corps. Dude, I had
Speaker 3: like ten of them bitches on my arm. At one
Speaker 3: point I was rubbing them to try to like cause
Speaker 3: I keep seeing people you gotta rub it and like
Speaker 3: that activates it or some shit fucking looks like a
Speaker 3: meth hit scratching in my arm all day. It did nothing.
Speaker 3: It did fucking nothing.
Speaker 2: Not at all. It says E cigarettes are not currently
Speaker 2: made to medicine standards and are probably more hazardous than NRT,
Speaker 2: so that's what they found. Probably more hazardous. Still, obviously
Speaker 2: they're going to be right because they're not regulated. Some
Speaker 2: of them are, but not regulated by the World Health
Speaker 2: Organization or the National Institute of Health and stuff like that, right.
Speaker 2: It says, however, the hazard to health arising from long
Speaker 2: term vapor inhalation from the e cigarettes available today is
Speaker 2: unlikely to exceed five percent of the harm from smoking tobacco.
Speaker 3: Wow, this is.
Speaker 2: The receipts, baby, This is the fucking receipts for anybody
Speaker 2: that has ever said, well, I might much rather you
Speaker 2: smoke a cigarette because we at least know the outcome cancer.
Speaker 3: Hey, like, listen.
Speaker 2: To what's coming out of your mouth.
Speaker 3: I'd rather use smoke heroin because at least we know
Speaker 3: the outcome. That kratim shit, You just don't know what
Speaker 3: it's gonna I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: What So it's so ignorant and so dumb to say
Speaker 2: anything like that. Do a little bit of the research
Speaker 2: on your own. Uh, that's dangerous, don't do that. Listen
Speaker 2: to the export. Well, here's the fucking experts right here. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: so unlikely to exceed percent of the harm from smoking tobacco,
Speaker 2: so way healthier or were we way not as harmful?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's again, there's not there's not a no risk
Speaker 3: answer as far as vapes are concerned. But the ninety
Speaker 3: five to five comparison, bro that is that's a drastic measure.
Speaker 3: Once again, let me ask you something. If a glass
Speaker 3: was ninety five percent full, Jonathan, would you call that
Speaker 3: a full glass or a partially empty glass?
Speaker 2: I would venture to say that that thing is full, sir.
Speaker 3: Now, let's flip that. If you had a glass that
Speaker 3: was five percent full, would you say that that glass
Speaker 3: is full or would you say it's probably it's more
Speaker 3: on the empty side as damn near empty. Okay. See,
Speaker 3: you see it's different when you put it to a
Speaker 3: different comparison. People are like, well there's still that five percent. Okay,
Speaker 3: your gas tank in your car's got five percent in
Speaker 3: it right now, tell me if you think your tank
Speaker 3: is full or not.
Speaker 2: Really just saying, technological developments and improve production standards could
Speaker 2: reduce the long term hazard of e cigarettes. So instead
Speaker 2: of trying to ban them and push them to the
Speaker 2: black market, how about we try and I don't know,
Speaker 2: make them a little bit safer. Let's actually try to
Speaker 2: implement them. Fucking forget your big tobacco tax that you
Speaker 2: are receiving on the back end every single year. And look,
Speaker 2: I don't understand why you need to tax something in
Speaker 2: order to make it healthier, right in fucking sense?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And it's all because of flavorings, or
Speaker 3: at least that's how they have to list it as
Speaker 3: because it's flavored tobacco and all of this. It's not
Speaker 3: even about the fact that it's a vapable with nicotine substitute.
Speaker 3: It's the fact that there's a flavor associated with it.
Speaker 2: It says there are concerns that e cigarettes will increase
Speaker 2: tobacco smoking by renormalizing the act of smoking, acting as
Speaker 2: a gateway to smoking and young people, and being used
Speaker 2: for temporary, not permanent abstincens from smoking.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna disagree with that one. I'm sorry, you're not
Speaker 3: gonna go from smoking blue raspberry or strawberry banana to ooh,
Speaker 3: let me get the taste of licking an ash tray back.
Speaker 3: That is such a better alternative.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I smoked for I want to say, eleven, twelve,
Speaker 2: thirteen years something like that, right, and and and I
Speaker 2: was totally used to it, used to the smell, used
Speaker 2: to the taste, you know, used to going outside and
Speaker 2: having to do it and everything. Now I've been vaping
Speaker 2: for quite a while now, like I don't even know
Speaker 2: how many years, probably six years ish, I would say,
Speaker 2: been vaping for that long. I have you tried to
Speaker 2: go back and smoke a cigarette, bro, I have.
Speaker 3: It's fucking gross?
Speaker 2: Jad is that disgusting?
Speaker 3: And that? Dude? Okay, here's it's much.
Speaker 2: It's not It doesn't fulfill anything, No, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, at least uh satisfied the nicotine craving. I will
Speaker 3: give it that. But here's the deal, dude, whenever they
Speaker 3: had uh even the like views and in all of that,
Speaker 3: it's tobacco flavored vape, Bro, that's also not a positive taste.
Speaker 3: And I mean I smoke cigars. I enjoy the taste
Speaker 3: of good tobacco. That wasn't it. And it doesn't taste
Speaker 3: anything like a cigarette either, And you can appreciate smoking
Speaker 3: something natural.
Speaker 2: So yes, that's the thing about cigars is that it's
Speaker 2: not only the flavor. It's more so that like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm smoking nature right now, bro.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, But dude, the whole conversation of yeah, well,
Speaker 3: if you people that are vaping views are more likely
Speaker 3: to swap to Marlboro Reds because they got for the
Speaker 3: bold flavor of the of the vape. And then they
Speaker 3: just want to say, you know what, fuck it, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna just buy a pack of cigarettes today or whatever. Again,
Speaker 3: that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about
Speaker 3: the sour apples and the white gummy bears and all
Speaker 3: these things. You're not going from that to picking up
Speaker 3: a pack of Lucky Strikes.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, bro, let me tell you it was like
Speaker 2: two or three weeks ago. I didn't have a vape.
Speaker 2: Been the place that I went to, we're out of
Speaker 2: them or something like that. And so I went to
Speaker 2: this gas station and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: they don't have any of the vapes that I like.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna try a jewel. It's been a while
Speaker 2: since I had a jewel, right, Yeah, two different flavors,
Speaker 2: just the natural tobacco and like mint, and so I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, well, at least let me get
Speaker 2: some kind of flavor. I got the mint one, right, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're smoking that, you may as well
Speaker 2: go back to smoking cigarettes. Bro on some real shit.
Speaker 3: Which is the point that they just said, Right, that's
Speaker 3: they think that that's how it's gonna be. But again,
Speaker 3: if you put shit flavoring into something, yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 3: force the market back into that place. But that's not
Speaker 3: where we're trying to go with it. Man. If they
Speaker 3: would come out with a flavorless vape, just throwing it
Speaker 3: out hypothetically speaking, if this was fuck whatever color it is,
Speaker 3: if you could give me a flavorless vapable nicotine product,
Speaker 3: I'm fucking down. I'm good that alleviates the entire flavoring converse.
Speaker 3: It alleviates the tobacco. Big Tobacco is gonna just have
Speaker 3: to find some other way to fight that fight. But
Speaker 3: it couldn't be because the flavorings. It's not going to
Speaker 3: be marketed to children's You see what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I fuck. We might even try to start a business
Speaker 3: like that. That would be dope. The cult of conspiracy,
Speaker 3: flavorless vapable nicotine, I like.
Speaker 2: It, and they have those. So it made me think
Speaker 2: as I tried that views or not the views the
Speaker 2: Jewel Right made me think like, oh wow, I wonder
Speaker 2: if this is owned by Big Tobacco and then what
Speaker 2: it is today that it is so of course they're
Speaker 2: gonna make the shitty ones make you want to go
Speaker 2: back to smoking actual cigarettes.
Speaker 3: It's crazy how they've worked that out in their own heads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it says. However, the available evidence to date
Speaker 2: indicates that these cigarettes are being used almost exclusively as
Speaker 2: safer alternatives to smoke tobacco by confirmed smokers who are
Speaker 2: trying to reduce harm to themselves or others from smoking,
Speaker 2: or to quit smoking completely. So it said you have
Speaker 2: tiny odds that you know, once you start vaping that
Speaker 2: you're gonna be uh, you're gonna have a good chance
Speaker 2: of going back to cigarettes. Those are tiny odds. However,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't say a percentage here, but it
Speaker 2: does say that if you're if you're vaping on a vape,
Speaker 2: are you smoking on a vape, you are so unlikely
Speaker 2: to go back to smoking cigarettes, and so that shouldn't
Speaker 2: even be really talked about, right absolutely. It says there
Speaker 2: is a need for regulation to reduce direct and indirect
Speaker 2: adverse effects of e cigarette use, but this regulation should
Speaker 2: not be allowed significantly to inhibit the development and use
Speaker 2: of harm reduction products by smokers. Mm hm, So get
Speaker 2: your jewels out of here, Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3: With that, We don't want them. No one wants them anymore.
Speaker 3: At one point they did when they were flavored decently.
Speaker 3: Nobody fucks at that shit anymore.
Speaker 2: It says, However, in the interests of public health, it
Speaker 2: is important to promote the use of e cigarettes. Important
Speaker 2: to promote the use of e cigarettes and RT and
Speaker 2: other non tobacco nicotine products as widely as possible as
Speaker 2: a substitute for smoking in the UK. I agree right there, right,
Speaker 2: that's all you need. Like the doctors, the experts have
Speaker 2: come out and said, not only should people be allowed
Speaker 2: to vape, it should be promoted in the interest of
Speaker 2: public health. If we really care about our citizens, we
Speaker 2: really care about our people, we should be promoting vaping
Speaker 2: as opposed to taking them off the shelves.
Speaker 3: But of course we can't do that, at least not
Speaker 3: in this country.
Speaker 2: Royal College of Physicians fucking shout out. Indeed, what a study.
Speaker 2: Nextly we have here This is another article. This is
Speaker 2: by www dot gov dot UK. So okay, right there,
Speaker 2: they're going to talk about pretty similar things. Here says
Speaker 2: e cigarettes are around ninety five percent less harmful than
Speaker 2: tobacco estimates Landmark review. So expert independent review concludes that
Speaker 2: e cigarettes have potential to help smokers quit.
Speaker 3: Bro Look at the picture of those vapes, those of those
Speaker 3: old school ones I was talking about. Oh yeah, little
Speaker 3: glass tanks on him and you screw them on top
Speaker 3: of the battery. I don't know what the fuck that
Speaker 3: lighter looking thing is. That's a wild one. But yeah,
Speaker 3: this was like the early stages of the vaping craze,
Speaker 3: at least in America. What year was this article written.
Speaker 2: Uh, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: Okay, around the time where that was your standard vape,
Speaker 3: you'd be going to a vape shop to buy fuck yeah.
Speaker 2: Right right so. An expert independent evidence review published by
Speaker 2: published today by Public Health England concludes that e cigarettes
Speaker 2: are significantly less harmful to health than tobacco and have
Speaker 2: the potential to help smokers quit smoking. The key findings
Speaker 2: of the review include It says the current best estimate
Speaker 2: is that e cigarettes are around ninety five percent less
Speaker 2: harmful than smoking. Nearly half of the population, which is
Speaker 2: forty four point eight percent. I believe that's of the
Speaker 2: UK don't realize that e cigarettes are much less harmful
Speaker 2: than smoking. So with the propaganda, well with you know,
Speaker 2: by the AD Council and Big Tobacco and all that
Speaker 2: other shit. Now, all the propaganda that is being pushed,
Speaker 2: people are at least half of the people forty four
Speaker 2: percent or forty four damn near forty five percent of
Speaker 2: people are buying into that, which makes sense propaganda. I
Speaker 2: would say it works at least to that standard, and
Speaker 2: forty five percent of people are buying that cigarettes are
Speaker 2: healthier than vapes.
Speaker 3: In the UK and again twenty fifteen, that was the
Speaker 3: big stigma, right, that was all these ad campaigns are
Speaker 3: going out to talk about the dangers of vaping because
Speaker 3: there's so much you know, you don't even know what
Speaker 3: chemicals are in there. There's all kinds of stuff in
Speaker 3: there you don't even know about. And it's like, again,
Speaker 3: even back in twenty fifteen, I was able to do
Speaker 3: a very quick Google search and answer that question.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, whatever, bro check this out this next one. So,
Speaker 2: the the big reason for banning vapes, as we have read,
Speaker 2: is because they are trying to limit the use for children. Right.
Speaker 2: They don't want kids vaping in schools, right, you gotta
Speaker 2: save the children. Read this one rate here it says
Speaker 2: there is no evidence so far that e cigarettes are
Speaker 2: acting as a route into smoking for children or non smokers,
Speaker 2: no evidence to support that.
Speaker 3: I believe that one hundred percent. Why would somebody taste
Speaker 3: something that tastes like candy and then one day be like, man,
Speaker 3: that ass tray be looking real tasty. Right about now,
Speaker 3: No kid going into teenage years, going into young twenty
Speaker 3: somethings are going to make that mental jump.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, just not gonna happen, and so it says.
Speaker 2: The review, commissioned by PHE and led by Professor Ann McNeil,
Speaker 2: which is of the King's College, London and Professor Peter
Speaker 2: Hagick of Queen Mary University of London, suggests that sarets
Speaker 2: may be contributing to falling smoking rates among adults and
Speaker 2: young people. Following the review, pH has published a paper
Speaker 2: on the implications of the evidence for policy and practice.
Speaker 2: The Comprehensive Comprehensive Review of the evidence finds that almost
Speaker 2: all of the two point six million adults using e
Speaker 2: cigarettes in Great Britain are current or ex smokers, most
Speaker 2: of whom are using the devices to help them quit
Speaker 2: smoking or to prevent them from going back to cigarettes.
Speaker 2: It also provides reassurance that very few adults and young
Speaker 2: people have never smoked are becoming regular e cigarette users,
Speaker 2: less than one percent in each group. So to say
Speaker 2: that vaping is roping more people in than cigarettes ever
Speaker 2: did is conclusively incorrect.
Speaker 3: That's like saying, all right, so, how many kids are
Speaker 3: on some sort of amphetamines right now, prescribed by their
Speaker 3: doctor for add or ADHD or something like that. Many
Speaker 3: how many of them grow up to be just strung
Speaker 3: out on crystal math.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a percentage, but it's very minute. I
Speaker 2: would say, I would say maybe one percent.
Speaker 3: And it's not because they got hooked on adderall as
Speaker 3: a kid and they had to get their fix when
Speaker 3: they got older. That that's simply just not how that works.
Speaker 2: I've never once taken an adderall and thought, you know,
Speaker 2: it would be better some meth.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Like, what kind of mental hoops do you got
Speaker 3: to jump through to say that, oh, yeah, you're getting
Speaker 3: these kids on adderall and riddling and concerto and all that.
Speaker 3: It's just a fucking streamline to be in a drug
Speaker 3: at it. It's not at all actually, but okay.
Speaker 2: Says However, the review raises concerns that increasing numbers of
Speaker 2: people think e cigarettes are equally or more harmful than smoking.
Speaker 2: So twenty two percent and twenty fifteen, up from eight
Speaker 2: point one percent in twenty thirteen. So the Ash Smoke
Speaker 2: Free GB surveyor or they don't know twenty two percent
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen that it's actually less harmful. So that's
Speaker 2: the problem that they're trying to suggest here, is that
Speaker 2: people are still being brought in by into the propaganda
Speaker 2: that's smoking, or that vaping is equally or more harmful
Speaker 2: than smoking cigarettes. This survey concludes that at least twenty
Speaker 2: two percent of people thought that in twenty fifteen, and
Speaker 2: that number obviously going to be raising. We just read
Speaker 2: earlier that what was at forty five percent now believe
Speaker 2: that propaganda's absolutely doing its job. Despite this trend, all
Speaker 2: current evidence finds that e cigarettes carry a fraction of
Speaker 2: the risk of smoking. All current evidence finds that e
Speaker 2: cigarettes carry a fraction of the risk of smoking. Emerging
Speaker 2: evidence suggests some of the highest successful quit rates are
Speaker 2: now seen amongst smokers who use an e cigarette and
Speaker 2: also receive additional support from their local stop smoking services.
Speaker 2: So if you're trying to quit smoking, you have a
Speaker 2: better chance at quitting smoking if you switch to vaping.
Speaker 2: That's what this is suggesting. Yeah, so yeah, it says
Speaker 2: Professor Kevin Fenton, director of Health and well Being at
Speaker 2: Public Health England, said smoking remains England's number one killer
Speaker 2: and the best thing a smoker can do is quit
Speaker 2: completely now and forever. These sprits are not completely risk free,
Speaker 2: but when compared to smoking, evidence shows that they carry
Speaker 2: just a fraction of the harm The problem is people
Speaker 2: increasingly think that they are at least as harmful, and
Speaker 2: this may be keeping millions of smokers from quitting called
Speaker 2: England coming through with the clutch information bro.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's the other thing too. They say a
Speaker 3: fraction of the harm that's kind of misleading in a
Speaker 3: certain regard, right, because like saying it's eighty percent, or
Speaker 3: to say it's even like twenty percent less harmful means
Speaker 3: you're still getting eighty percent of the bad. Bro five
Speaker 3: percent at most is at most in best or in
Speaker 3: this case worst case scenarios, it is like you're getting
Speaker 3: ninety five percent less harm full shit into your body
Speaker 3: from doing this. I feel like there was a better
Speaker 3: way they could aworded that.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yeah, I mean a fraction whatever, I'll
Speaker 2: take it. It's it's it's worth, it's better than smoking.
Speaker 2: I'll take that.
Speaker 3: That's what I need.
Speaker 2: Uh, Because I'm tired of people saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: you may as well just go back to smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, my god, stop stop with that. Uh. To
Speaker 2: say that in oh wait, yeah, to say that in
Speaker 2: Portuguese patacail that means stop it. That means stop that.
Speaker 2: So it says e cigarettes could be a game changer
Speaker 2: in public health, in particular by reducing the enormous health
Speaker 2: inequalities caused by smoking. Professor Peter Hajek I think or
Speaker 2: Hayak maybe of the Queen Mary University, London and independent
Speaker 2: author of the review said in his quotes, he said,
Speaker 2: my reading of the evidence is that smokers who switched
Speaker 2: to vapor remove almost all the risks smoking poses to
Speaker 2: their health.
Speaker 3: Removes almost all.
Speaker 2: Of the risk. Smokers differ in their needs, and I
Speaker 2: would advise them not to give up on the cigarettes
Speaker 2: if they do not like the first one that they try.
Speaker 2: So he's saying, if you don't like it at first,
Speaker 2: keep with it because it's by all means it is
Speaker 2: way safer than smoking cigarettes. A professor, So, I.
Speaker 3: Knew some old cats I used to work with that they,
Speaker 3: you know, chain smokers, had been for forever, and they
Speaker 3: said that they didn't like the babes. They tried it,
Speaker 3: but it hurt their throat too much and they were
Speaker 3: too strong and all these things. They just wanted to
Speaker 3: stick to their Marlboro lights and they were satisfied with it.
Speaker 3: Bro you could you could there's some like this one
Speaker 3: you could turn down the amount of airflow you get,
Speaker 3: you can turn down the strength level or how much
Speaker 3: voltage you're sending to the coil, and it's a lighter hit.
Speaker 3: So like again I had to agree with the doctor here.
Speaker 3: You maybe you don't need something that feels that you're
Speaker 3: taking a drag off a full own cigar every single time.
Speaker 3: Maybe once them is a little lighter because you're try
Speaker 3: trying to step down your nicotine intake. Right, I thought
Speaker 3: that was the point.
Speaker 2: Well, he even takes it a step farther and says
Speaker 2: it may take some some experimentation with different products and
Speaker 2: e liquids to find the right one. So great, try it,
Speaker 2: keep trying it, keep finding it, so trying until you
Speaker 2: find the one that you like.
Speaker 3: So with these old vapes, like twenty fifteen when this
Speaker 3: article was written and we saw the picture of those
Speaker 3: vapes of the little glass tanks and the battery and
Speaker 3: all that. So this is before salt nik was a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you remember these days where it was just regular vape
Speaker 3: juice yep, and you had to buy however many milligrams
Speaker 3: of nicotine and they had the threes, the fives, the
Speaker 3: twelves and whatever. Else. So to put it to perspective,
Speaker 3: whenever I swapped from cigarettes to vaping, I had to
Speaker 3: get thirty milligram juice, which was like it was some
Speaker 3: of the hardest you could find, honestly, but I needed
Speaker 3: that hit, like I wanted to feel it in my
Speaker 3: chest because I was trying to quit smoking. Then I
Speaker 3: stepped down to twelve. Then I got down over time
Speaker 3: to three. It was. It was. It was a step
Speaker 3: down process as it took months, but like that was
Speaker 3: the point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the the original vape juice that they were using,
Speaker 2: I believe that they they separate them by one's sugar
Speaker 2: and one salt. That's the way I've always heard it.
Speaker 2: But the sugar ones, which were the initial ones, it
Speaker 2: just it wasn't doing the job for me. Whenever they
Speaker 2: came out with the the nicotine salt, they said, this
Speaker 2: is that this is actually the stuff that you know.
Speaker 2: It's the same kind of nicotine that's in cigarettes, and
Speaker 2: so it's a lot easier to make that transition into
Speaker 2: this more familiar nicotine style that you're used to. And
Speaker 2: so whenever that came out, I made the full switch over.
Speaker 3: It hit hard enough, dude, It got the itch for.
Speaker 2: Sure it did. It did, so let's see. Professor Linda
Speaker 2: bald bowled anyway of Cancer Research is a UK expert
Speaker 2: in cancer prevention. An expert in cancer prevention in the
Speaker 2: UK said, fears that e cigarettes have made smoking seem
Speaker 2: normal again, or even led to people taking up tobacco
Speaker 2: smoking are not so far being realized based on the
Speaker 2: evidence assessed by this important independent review. In fact, the
Speaker 2: overall evidence points to e cigarettes actually helping people to
Speaker 2: give up smoking. Tobacco free stop smoking services remain the
Speaker 2: most effective way for people to quit, but we recognize
Speaker 2: the potential benefits for e cigarettes in helping large numbers
Speaker 2: of people move away from tobacco. Cancer Research UK is
Speaker 2: funding more research to deal with the unanswered questions around
Speaker 2: these products, including the longer term impact so cancer experts said,
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Another one which would be Lisa Serdy's, which is the
Speaker 2: acting director at Fresh Smoke Free Northeast, the first region
Speaker 2: where all local stop smoking services are actively promoted as
Speaker 2: e cigarette friendly. She said, despite making great strides to
Speaker 2: reduce smoking, tobacco is still our biggest killer. Our region
Speaker 2: has always kept an open mind towards using electronic cigs.
Speaker 2: As we can see the massive potential health benefits from
Speaker 2: switching all of our local national hints National Health. Wait, NHS,
Speaker 2: that's not National Health. I was thinking of something else.
Speaker 2: So all of our local NHS stop smoking services now
Speaker 2: proactively welcome anyone who wants to use these devices at
Speaker 2: their attempt to quit and increase their chances of success.
Speaker 2: I agree, it's undeniable. It really is so, and we
Speaker 2: can go on and on with a lot of these,
Speaker 2: but just to show you that, like, it's it's not
Speaker 2: that crazy. So before, right, before we follow the money,
Speaker 2: I want to get to let me see what else
Speaker 2: I got here? All right, So, oh, this is an
Speaker 2: interesting article right here. This is actually by pub MED,
Speaker 2: the National Institute of Health Government, and it's this is
Speaker 2: a government article.
Speaker 3: Bro okay, okay.
Speaker 2: And it says big Tobacco's dirty tricks seven key tactics
Speaker 2: of the tobacco industry. The fucking government is coming after
Speaker 2: their own money. How hilarious is that?
Speaker 3: So it says, sorry, I was trying to find something
Speaker 3: I had myself muted, but yeah, one hundred percent, this
Speaker 3: is fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2: So it says the tobacco industry has been influencing public
Speaker 2: opinion and disrupting health policy through sophisticated and deceptive methods.
Speaker 2: For decades. As evidence has mounted supporting the undisputed deadly
Speaker 2: effects of tobacco products, corporations have found ways to remain profitable.
Speaker 2: They have succeeded in attracting enough new smokers to support
Speaker 2: industry growth, despite the fact that over eight million tobacco
Speaker 2: related deaths occur annually.
Speaker 3: Eight million of eight million.
Speaker 2: The sphere of influence of multi billion dollar tobacco companies
Speaker 2: extends to the fields of scientific research, politics, law, sport, education,
Speaker 2: and the media. Members of the Tobacco Control Working Group
Speaker 2: of the World Federation of Public Health Associations reviewed the
Speaker 2: literature and conducted research into key tactics used by the
Speaker 2: tobacco industry, producing written reports on seven of these. Number
Speaker 2: one tobacco advertising, promotion and sponsorship, number two, front groups,
Speaker 2: number three, manipulating the media, number four, funding scientific research,
Speaker 2: number five, political lobbying, number six, electric electronic alternatives as
Speaker 2: harm reduction, and number seven legal challenges. So each tactic,
Speaker 2: including examples of their occurrence and recommendations on how to
Speaker 2: recognize and counteract them, are comprehensively explored in the casebook
Speaker 2: Big Tobacco's Dirty Tricks, which can be accessed at the
Speaker 2: link approved or the link provided. This article summarizes the
Speaker 2: seven tactics discussed in the casebook. So we know of
Speaker 2: all their tactics already, and that was just to name
Speaker 2: a few of them.
Speaker 3: It's mind blowing.
Speaker 2: So obviously through tobacco advertising, promotion, and sponsorship, that's called propaganda,
Speaker 2: front groups. I mean, all of it's really propaganda if
Speaker 2: you think about it. So you have front groups manipulating
Speaker 2: the media, funding scientific grip research, political lobbying, electronic alternatives
Speaker 2: as harm reduction. This is an interesting one right here.
Speaker 2: Electronic alternatives as harm reduction. This is uh, this would
Speaker 2: be the tobacco companies coming out and saying that you
Speaker 2: should be smoking jewel or views or something like that
Speaker 2: as a harm reduction. Meanwhile, it's actually not true that
Speaker 2: that's just their way to get you to come back
Speaker 2: to smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So just to throw that out there a little bit.
Speaker 2: There are this is Oh, this is an interesting one.
Speaker 2: So this is by j Bartlett dot org. It says
Speaker 2: bans and this is a I believe he's a lawyer,
Speaker 2: Center for Public Policy Okay, bans and high taxes fuel
Speaker 2: black markets for tobacco and bait products. So all right,
Speaker 2: this was an article written it was whenever Biden was
Speaker 2: still in office. But it says as the Biden administration
Speaker 2: gets closer to finalizing its proposed rule banning sale of
Speaker 2: mental cigarettes and flavored cigars nationwide, a well known aphorism
Speaker 2: comes to mind. The road to hell is paved with
Speaker 2: good intentions. The administration's logic behind the federal ban is
Speaker 2: that doing so will reduce smoking and correspondingly improve public health.
Speaker 2: This is the same logic used to justify increasing tobacco
Speaker 2: taxes or banning tobacco and vaping products at the state level.
Speaker 2: When a state bans flavored tobacco or increases taxes on cigarettes,
Speaker 2: legal cigarette sales in the state tend to fall as
Speaker 2: a result, But what about illegal and out of state sales.
Speaker 2: So high cigarette taxes and bands on flavor tobacco products
Speaker 2: create black and gray markets, through which smugglers become the
Speaker 2: new supplier of these products. So the MACINAC Center for
Speaker 2: Public Policy tracks cigarette smuggling in the United States. So
Speaker 2: this is in twenty twenty one. So it says in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, a report showed how cigarette smuggling increases
Speaker 2: as tax rates on tobacco products increase. So essentially to
Speaker 2: say that every single time that the governments of the
Speaker 2: states raise taxes on tobacco products that's vaping included, every
Speaker 2: single time that they raise their taxes, you are only
Speaker 2: pushing people to get them via black market. That's what
Speaker 2: you're doing. And this is this is the literal literature
Speaker 2: that is proving that.
Speaker 3: Man, it's almost like we've got that figured out from
Speaker 3: other things that have been banned in price height for years.
Speaker 3: Like you know, if the price of alcohol went astronomical,
Speaker 3: I bet more people would start homebrewing their own liquor
Speaker 3: and wine and beer like that's been done before.
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, well and check this out because I
Speaker 2: don't know if people know to the extent that the
Speaker 2: tax rates are with tobacco, well, cigarettes mainly. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: New York, for example, which taxes cigarettes at four dollars
Speaker 2: and thirty five cents a pack. That is just the
Speaker 2: tax that no, that's not the state tax. That is
Speaker 2: the tobacco tax on top of the state tax, on
Speaker 2: top of the cigarettes that you're buying.
Speaker 3: So you're basically buying for the pack of cigarettes for
Speaker 3: the price of double the price.
Speaker 2: Yet like wow, yeah, unreal. It says that it saw
Speaker 2: the highest rate of inbound smuggling. So since they it,
Speaker 2: since they made the tax price up to four dollars
Speaker 2: and thirty five cents per pack, the smuggling increased almost
Speaker 2: fifty five percent.
Speaker 3: I believe it.
Speaker 2: I do the total number of smuggled packs. Listen to this.
Speaker 2: The total number of smuggled packs, more than two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty four million, was second in the country, behind
Speaker 2: California's more than four hundred and sixty five million smuggled packs.
Speaker 2: California also had the second highest inbound smuggling rate, which
Speaker 2: was forty four point h two percent, and a tax
Speaker 2: rate of two dollars and eighty seven cents per pack.
Speaker 2: So of two of the two of the states that
Speaker 2: are implementing the highest cigarette tax are are are seeing
Speaker 2: that there is two hundred and fifty four million and
Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty five million black market cigarettes that
Speaker 2: are being bought and sold packs not cigarettes, right, packs
Speaker 2: of cigarettes?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, shit. At this point we might say cartons.
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, yeah, because and you think about it,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I know that over in Arizona.
Speaker 2: I know that you can go to the reservation. Cigarettes
Speaker 2: are way cheaper, oh for sure, right, I mean, hey, cheaper.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what the what the tax rate
Speaker 2: is over there, but I imagine that it doesn't apply
Speaker 2: since their cigarettes are way cheaper over there.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: That's why I used to go to the PX to
Speaker 3: buy my cigarettes because it was tax free there when
Speaker 3: I was in the military. You go to the exchange
Speaker 3: and you're buying it like I do. At one point,
Speaker 3: I was buying a carton of Marlborough Reds for like
Speaker 3: fifty five bucks. Yeah, these days that would get you
Speaker 3: five packs.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, you go to uh like for example, and
Speaker 2: I don't smoke anymore, but I thought about it, not
Speaker 2: that I thought about it, but like I thought about, like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, this would be a genius thing to do.
Speaker 2: So I've, uh, I've been on two cruises in my life,
Speaker 2: and so we usually go down to you know, parts
Speaker 2: of Mexico and stuff like that. Right, you go down
Speaker 2: there and at the ports, literally as soon as you
Speaker 2: walk off the boat, you go into these port shop centers, right,
Speaker 2: and they all have Dude, it's nothing but walls of
Speaker 2: cartons of cigarettes for super cheap, and you bring like,
Speaker 2: I think you can buy like two or three cartons
Speaker 2: and bring them back, but you can't bring any more
Speaker 2: than that. But even still, I think the cartons over
Speaker 2: there were like forty fifty bucks for Marlborough's, yep. Whereas
Speaker 2: now you get a carton. Dude, you know what, you
Speaker 2: want to know how much a carton of fucking Marlboro's
Speaker 2: cost in Louisiana.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked a hundred ten bucks now? God damn?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, unreal, bro, Yeah, I mean you're talking about
Speaker 2: like literally eleven bucks a pack at that point.
Speaker 3: And that's the cheapest way to buy them is buy the.
Speaker 2: Carton, right, Yeah, good night, I know, I know. So,
Speaker 2: it says when taxes get high enough to encourage large
Speaker 2: scale smuggling, tax revenue falls as people stop buying from
Speaker 2: legal vendors and start buying on the street, as some
Speaker 2: vendors switch to out of state suppliers and simply don't
Speaker 2: report or pay taxes on those purchases. As a result
Speaker 2: of their high taxes, California and New York saw the
Speaker 2: two largest revenue losses more than one point three billion
Speaker 2: and one point one billion, respectively per year. Okay, Like
Speaker 2: you want to talk about the money that they are
Speaker 2: losing as a result of this. I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: even just the vaping shit it is, it's the fucking
Speaker 2: taxes that are really killing them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what I was saying earlier. Right, the
Speaker 3: lobbyists have already struck their deal with their political figures.
Speaker 3: They have to get their cut or the lobbyists will
Speaker 3: go back on what they said they would do for
Speaker 3: Big Tobacco. So you gotta pay the piper. So if
Speaker 3: we can't pay the piper out of our own back pocket,
Speaker 3: let's make the politicians pass a new tax law to
Speaker 3: where that's how they'll get their cut.
Speaker 2: Well, and what we read earlier, the Big Tobacco essentially
Speaker 2: made a future's bid with each individual state to where
Speaker 2: they said, look over the next five years, we're gonna
Speaker 2: we're gonna make sure that over one hundred million or
Speaker 2: whatever dollars is going into your pocket. Well, now they
Speaker 2: can't necessarily fulfill that. And the reason, if you think
Speaker 2: about it's actually really fucked up on both ends because
Speaker 2: you would probably have tobacco companies that are going to
Speaker 2: the going to the fucking state or whatever and saying, look,
Speaker 2: we want to keep our cigarette prices the same. We
Speaker 2: need our money to keep on coming in. If you want,
Speaker 2: you can hack up or you can hike up all
Speaker 2: of the tobacco tax rates as high as you want,
Speaker 2: as we keep our products, you know, at the same price,
Speaker 2: or maybe you know, it allows us to go a
Speaker 2: little bit higher. Right, So everybody's being paid. But whenever
Speaker 2: you raise them up so high to where the states
Speaker 2: like New York, whenever you're you're charging damn near four
Speaker 2: dollars and thirty five cents per pack, I mean that's
Speaker 2: a business in and of itself. Just the tax that
Speaker 2: they are making off of the cigarettes and alone.
Speaker 3: It's fucking mind blowing, dude. So it all comes down
Speaker 3: to the almighty dollar. That's all that it really does. Jesus.
Speaker 2: So, with a tax rate of three dollars and fifty
Speaker 2: one cents per pack, Massachusetts had the fourth highest inbound
Speaker 2: smuggling rate. See it perfectly correlates higher taxes higher smuggling.
Speaker 2: It makes sense. It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist
Speaker 2: to figure that one out.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: It said they had the fourth fourth highest smuggling rate
Speaker 2: at thirty seven point fifty nine percent and the ninth
Speaker 2: highest number of smuggle packs more than sixty three million,
Speaker 2: resulting in the sixth largest revenue loss, which was nearly
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty four million dollars in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one alone. Oh, they're missing out big time. So either
Speaker 2: they need to reduce the fuck tax grade on all
Speaker 2: of these cigarette products, or they just need to allow
Speaker 2: people to vape. At this point, I mean, you're you're
Speaker 2: losing an entire economic branch that you're bringing money in.
Speaker 3: Dude, And that's the thing. They're not gonna just let
Speaker 3: it go. There's no way they could do that, not
Speaker 3: at this point, not as heavily as they've thrown their
Speaker 3: weight in on this one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's there's something that is in the works. Now,
Speaker 2: what are we August? What's the date today?
Speaker 3: The thirteen day is August thirteenth, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So this was actually an article there was written
Speaker 2: two days ago, and this says that the USPS or
Speaker 2: the US Postal Service block shipping of illicit vapes in
Speaker 2: big boost for big tobacco. So you got the Post
Speaker 2: Office saying we're gonna be looking out for those vapes.
Speaker 2: Don't you fucking mail those things?
Speaker 3: Well? Shit, that was my next course of action was
Speaker 3: just go to the website and order something to be
Speaker 3: delivered to my door.
Speaker 2: That's what everybody thought. Everybody was thinking about, Oh, if
Speaker 2: I can't buy him here, I'll just get the mail
Speaker 2: to me. Well no, because big Tobacco has said, we
Speaker 2: know your tactics. You know we weren't born yesterday. We're
Speaker 2: going to try and figure that all out right now, jesus. So,
Speaker 2: it says the US Postal Services cracked down on distributor
Speaker 2: on distributors of unregulated vapes using its services for business shipments.
Speaker 2: Letters reviewed by Rutter's show in a blow to a
Speaker 2: multi billion dollar industry that has dented big tobacco sales.
Speaker 2: The letters, previously unreported, show that USPS wrote to major
Speaker 2: New York based distributor Demand Vape, blocking it from using
Speaker 2: its services after New York City's Law Department, which represents
Speaker 2: the city's government and officials in legal matters, provided evidence
Speaker 2: that its shipments broke laws. Okay, so bootlegging essentially, But
Speaker 2: it says USPS's the Post Office action stands to benefit
Speaker 2: tobacco giants, including Altria and British British American Tobacco, which
Speaker 2: have for years battled against unregulated vapes, mostly from China.
Speaker 2: Unregulated vapes lack the authorization from the US Food and
Speaker 2: Drug Administration that is required for them to be legally
Speaker 2: sold in the United States, the world's largest market for
Speaker 2: smoking alternatives. The USPS revoked Demand Vapes mailing exemption last
Speaker 2: month after it received evidence that the company ship vapes
Speaker 2: lacking FDA FDA authorization and that and that it violated
Speaker 2: a local flavor ban. A letter from USPS to the
Speaker 2: company day to July fifteenth showed, so they're trying to
Speaker 2: find every single possible loophole that they can to say, well,
Speaker 2: that's we can't have that right because of policy. And
Speaker 2: so the policy is not there to save anybody. It's
Speaker 2: not there to you know, protect anybody's health. It's there
Speaker 2: to make sure that the companies that are already following
Speaker 2: policy don't don't lose and they don't miss out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. So well, yeah, it says that there
Speaker 2: are limited exceptions. It says so far the US Food
Speaker 2: and Drug Administration has authorized only thirty nine E cigarette products.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to see what those are. What
Speaker 2: are the oh fucking jewel Okay.
Speaker 3: Of course number one would be jewel. I'm sure the
Speaker 3: next one is.
Speaker 2: Going to be a views probably something. Oh doesn't even
Speaker 2: say all of them. Let's see you do? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's mainly yeah, okay, including altrias and joy menthol
Speaker 2: vate products. Have you ever tried those? Those things fucking suck.
Speaker 3: Never do menthols. They fuck up my throat too bad.
Speaker 2: So all of the VP products that are sold next
Speaker 2: to the cigarettes and gas stations, those ones, those are
Speaker 2: the ones that are essentially like, uh, the soul gotten
Speaker 2: the companies. Yes, yeah, so that's not a shocker. So well,
Speaker 2: it says. The limited exceptions include domestic shipments between businesses
Speaker 2: which need a mailing exception, and their shipments must comply
Speaker 2: with relevant laws. Some of the other large carriers, including FedEx,
Speaker 2: refuse to ship vapes. DHL only offers carriage for business
Speaker 2: shipments with prior approval. So the USPS provided New York
Speaker 2: City's Law Department with a list of other vape firms
Speaker 2: that it has granted mailing exceptions so that it can
Speaker 2: access whether they should be challenged in line with legal requirements.
Speaker 3: Huh, this cold might smell a loophole here, because my
Speaker 3: business is based out of my home. Could my company
Speaker 3: buy vapes for for strictly research purposes? Of course? Of course,
Speaker 3: is that a thing? It might be? Okay, Well, we
Speaker 3: will discuss this later on, as this.
Speaker 2: Could further limit the number of carriers available to the
Speaker 2: unauthorized vape industry. Other options, such as using smaller carriers
Speaker 2: or handling freight directly, tend to be more costly. So
Speaker 2: the FDA registered vape shipments from China in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, it says the impact of tariffs
Speaker 2: and high caizuars have pushed twenty twenty five shipments well
Speaker 2: below level seen in a year earlier. So you'll see
Speaker 2: right here that Yeah, so it started out, It started
Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty five. Was the only month that
Speaker 2: January you mean, yeah, January I met. Twenty January of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five was the only month which exceeded the
Speaker 2: shipments from China from last year. Every other one is
Speaker 2: significantly lower than last year. So you're seeing the big
Speaker 2: push to get the Chinese products out of America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta tell you that kind of checks out.
Speaker 3: It was around March when the vape shop that I
Speaker 3: go to that was selling vapes like it's a tobacco shop.
Speaker 3: Let me, let me be clear about this, but they
Speaker 3: were selling vapes under the table because duh, these are
Speaker 3: from Yemen. They'll be giving a fuck about American laws,
Speaker 3: but you're gonna do deport them back home. Oh no. So,
Speaker 3: like they were selling them under the table March, they
Speaker 3: got rated hard, and I'm talking. They had to open
Speaker 3: every single drawer, even their own personal backpacks that they
Speaker 3: brought into work that day and they have not carried
Speaker 3: them since. Now they are carrying these these hookah vapes,
Speaker 3: right but now, I mean it's still a vapable flavored
Speaker 3: nicotine product one hundred percent. But I'm just curious who
Speaker 3: owns hookah it. You know what, I'm gonna google that
Speaker 3: because this got the blessing somehow, but this did not.
Speaker 3: It's the same product. They're both blue raspberry flavor, for
Speaker 3: fuck's sake. Yeah, but all right, I'm gonna look that up.
Speaker 3: Keep going.
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny. I'm smucking on a blue raspberry vapor
Speaker 2: right now as well.
Speaker 3: Actually, I lie, this one's Baja Blast but usually I'm
Speaker 3: smoking on blue Raspberry.
Speaker 2: This one Baha Blast flavor.
Speaker 3: This one's blue raspberry. Yeah, this is Baja Blast flavor.
Speaker 3: It's not perfect, but it's close. It's close to Baja Blast.
Speaker 2: Okay. So now this was as of March thirty first
Speaker 2: of this year. It says this is an article by
Speaker 2: Reuters that says big tobacco targets Trump in hope and
Speaker 2: fear of change. So let's go. So big tobacco companies
Speaker 2: like British America Tobacco are lobbying US President Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: administration to crack down on illegal vapes, including via import
Speaker 2: bands on Chinese devices. Document show and industry consultants said.
Speaker 2: Tobacco groups, including BAT and Altria have complained that while
Speaker 2: waiting years for their own vapes or other products to
Speaker 2: get permission for sale in the United States, some vape
Speaker 2: makers have taken substantial market share even though authorities say
Speaker 2: that they're illegal to sell. Despite efforts to stem the
Speaker 2: flow of unauthorized vapes, they they currently dominate the market.
Speaker 2: BAT estimated last year that unauthorized disposable vapes account for
Speaker 2: around seventy percent of almost ten billion pounds or thirteen
Speaker 2: billion dollars worth of US vapes sales annually. Tobacco companies
Speaker 2: say that this this has hit their own vape and
Speaker 2: cigarette sales. You know shit. US authorities have said that
Speaker 2: these unauthorized vapes, including products made by Chinese firms, are
Speaker 2: illegal to import into the United States or sell there.
Speaker 2: BAT and Aultria have expressed optimism that Trump's government will
Speaker 2: address these issues. It's looking so look that's the case.
Speaker 2: So Bat's US subsidiary, which is Reynolds American, wrote to
Speaker 2: the Office of the United States Trade Representative on March
Speaker 2: eleventh to call for the government to ban imports on
Speaker 2: all disposable vapes from China and consider additional tariffs on
Speaker 2: any other Chinese made e cigarettes and smoking alternatives. The
Speaker 2: Chinese companies unfair and illegal trading practices harm Reynolds and
Speaker 2: other law abiding US companies. Reynolds wrote in a letter,
Speaker 2: God don't okay, it hurts our fucking dollar. Meanwhile, You're
Speaker 2: products are killing eighty million people yearly, right exactly, That's
Speaker 2: what we care about. We care about We care about
Speaker 2: your dollar. So. Asked about the letter, a Renold spokesperson
Speaker 2: said only products that follow FDA policies and procedures should
Speaker 2: remain on the market. The stakes are high for tobacco companies.
Speaker 2: Changes that deliver more robust enforcement of the rules governing
Speaker 2: vapes and other smoking alternatives could help them protect their
Speaker 2: market share in US nicotine consumption even as tobacco used falls,
Speaker 2: But any shift that removed or lowered legal and regulatory
Speaker 2: obstacles for currently unauthorized vapes could accelerate further growth. Big
Speaker 2: tobacco and vape companies want the FDA's authorization process to
Speaker 2: be faster and clearer, but not necessarily more wholesale change.
Speaker 2: To industry consultants said, by the way, they want the
Speaker 2: FDA to work faster and cleaner and clearer, rather but
Speaker 2: not necessarily a more wholesale change. AKA that is saying
Speaker 2: that we want, we want things to be regulated, but
Speaker 2: we only want all our products to qualify for that.
Speaker 2: If there's ever any kind of challenge out there, such
Speaker 2: as Chinese vapes, I'm sorry, you know what, we should
Speaker 2: just fucking tariff them. And because it's China and no.
Speaker 3: Speaking of this hookhal It company is a Chinese company,
Speaker 3: so I don't know how the fuck they got approval
Speaker 3: to be sold openly. And these other vapes have to
Speaker 3: be sold under the table. Makes no fucking sense.
Speaker 2: Well, it says uh. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt
Speaker 2: said that President Trump makes decisions in the best interests
Speaker 2: of the American public. Sure, okay, so it says no
Speaker 2: secret tobacco companies as well as vape makers are battling
Speaker 2: to get the ear of the relevant US leaders or
Speaker 2: officials to make the case for changes that they support.
Speaker 2: A total of three industry consultants said they asked not
Speaker 2: to be identified in order to speak freely. It says
Speaker 2: it's no secret that everyone with a steak in this
Speaker 2: issue is trying to get asset access to the White House,
Speaker 2: said one of the consultants who works for a tobacco company.
Speaker 2: Reynolds donated. Listen to this. Reynolds, the tobacco company donated
Speaker 2: ten million dollars to the Trump aligned super pack Make
Speaker 2: America Great Again, Inc. Federal Electoral Commission filing show.
Speaker 3: So they donated ten million dollars to his war chest.
Speaker 2: The cigarette company donated. And so it's funny now that
Speaker 2: now that Trump is president, we're starting to see vapes
Speaker 2: fall away and and and vapes being promoted as harmful
Speaker 2: and you can't trust them and all that shit because
Speaker 2: Trump is being he's having his fucking pockets padded by
Speaker 2: big Tobacco ten million dollars so much.
Speaker 3: Which here's the other side of that coin, right, two
Speaker 3: wings of the same shitbird.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I would guess that they also donated ten million dollars
Speaker 3: to the Kamala Harris campaign as well. Because this is
Speaker 3: how you win the game, bro, This is how you
Speaker 3: make sure that no matter which side wins the war,
Speaker 3: you still come out on top. You just fund both sides.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that by open Secrets, which is
Speaker 2: one of the best websites ever created where like it
Speaker 2: it's literally it follows the money. We've we used that
Speaker 2: website several times where you can see exactly what super packs,
Speaker 2: what politicians, what money is going into their pocket uh,
Speaker 2: into their pockets from which organizations. It's yeah, it's beautiful
Speaker 2: because they're public filings, but they just put it in
Speaker 2: a real easy to see kind of format.
Speaker 3: Because they have to claim that either they have to
Speaker 3: claim it as personal taxes or their uh you know,
Speaker 3: financial or excuse me, their political party affiliates or whatever.
Speaker 3: They have to claim all of that. I work with
Speaker 3: a nonprofit to a very high degree. Dude, our annual report,
Speaker 3: we have to have everything specificaloustic to the penny amount
Speaker 3: of what was spent and on what for what purpose,
Speaker 3: which other non it was it donated to, what was
Speaker 3: the check number? All like, everything has to be laid out.
Speaker 3: It's the same in politics.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, big time. So yeah, it's It goes on
Speaker 2: to say that bat which is one of the big
Speaker 2: cigarette companies, uh, said that it engages with lawmakers across
Speaker 2: the political spectrum and advocates for policies that helped transition
Speaker 2: smokers to alternatives, regardless of who is in the White House. Okay, sure,
Speaker 2: you get right right.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 2: Brian Ballard, president of Ballard Partners, a lobbying firm employed
Speaker 2: by Reynolds since twenty seventeen. Reynolds Cigarettes, according to official
Speaker 2: lobbyist filings, chaired the Florida Finance Committee for Trump during
Speaker 2: his twenty sixteen campaign. His firm also previously employed Susie Wiles,
Speaker 2: Trump's current White House Chief of Staff, and US Attorney
Speaker 2: General Pam Bondi. Lobbyist filings show, So it's just Trump,
Speaker 2: it's everybody within the cabinet. Yeah, yeah, So the Department
Speaker 2: of Justice did not respect on to questions on Bondi's
Speaker 2: link to Ballad Partner or Ballad Partners. Ballard Partners declined
Speaker 2: to comment. Oh, of course, so Wiles has not had
Speaker 2: any contact with Ballard Partners or BATS since January, a
Speaker 2: senior White House official told Reuters.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 2: The FDA has been criticized by companies and some lawmakers
Speaker 2: for slow product authorizations and for failing to address the
Speaker 2: widespread trade and unauthorized products. The agency said that it
Speaker 2: needs more resources to tackle these challenges. Tobacco industry executives
Speaker 2: are concerned that the FDA Center for Tobacco Products could
Speaker 2: be gutted or asked if the administration concludes that it
Speaker 2: has failed. The consultant working for a tobacco company said,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 3: They're like, well, we don't want it to go through FDA.
Speaker 2: Don't look at us the tobacco look at the vaping shit,
Speaker 2: because if we have to go through all that and
Speaker 2: jump through all those soups and we fail, that's not
Speaker 2: gonna be a good look.
Speaker 3: I mean, they did that back in the day. You
Speaker 3: have to do it again. Y'all already did an audit
Speaker 3: on us in the fifties and sixties. We are we
Speaker 3: still talking about this is what really? Come on now, bro,
Speaker 3: you already know what we got.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, more harmful chemicals and products are being pumped into cigarettes,
Speaker 2: way more than probably their first audit. I can guarantee
Speaker 2: you that.
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent, dude. The pesticide game alone has
Speaker 3: changed drastically from the sixties to now for our own
Speaker 3: food and produce, let alone tobacco.
Speaker 2: So the FDA has so far authorized only thirty four
Speaker 2: tobacco and menthol flavored vape products for sale. Of course,
Speaker 2: all okay by big tobacco. So the FDA rejected most
Speaker 2: nicotine product applications out of millions of applications. The FDA
Speaker 2: has authorized thirty four tobacco or menthol flavored vape products
Speaker 2: for sale, all made by big tobacco companies, All made
Speaker 2: by big tobacco companies.
Speaker 3: Oh, I believe that one hundred percent. That, Like I said,
Speaker 3: they've already got the ties. They've already got the the
Speaker 3: person's name who they need to call over in DC
Speaker 3: to get things pushed through. That's a homeboy. There they
Speaker 3: go golfing.
Speaker 2: Look at this there are This is the list of
Speaker 2: the ones that have been submitted, refused to accept, accepted,
Speaker 2: refused to file, filed, application denied, and then application granted.
Speaker 2: So in which year was this? Twenty from twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty four. So in that five year span,
Speaker 2: twenty six point six million applications submitted to the FDA,
Speaker 2: and it says over ninety nine percent of all applications
Speaker 2: were for e cigarette products, including seventeen million applications for
Speaker 2: e liquid submitted by one company alone. Okayeen million by
Speaker 2: one company. That's crazy, but it was a Chinese company
Speaker 2: probably now a nineteen point six million refused to accept it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it means by refuse to accept,
Speaker 2: but anyway, it goes all the way down to where
Speaker 2: it says of the grant applications, of the two point
Speaker 2: six point six or twenty six point six million applications submitted,
Speaker 2: only thirty four relate to e cigarette products. All thirty
Speaker 2: four are made by big tobacco companies.
Speaker 3: Twenty six point six million applications were submitted in five years,
Speaker 3: and only thirty four of those applications were approved.
Speaker 2: Were granted, and all of them are by big tobacco. Shoo,
Speaker 2: my god, you want to talk about a fucking monopoly.
Speaker 3: Bro, There's no other way to say it.
Speaker 2: Reynolds said that there was a quote unquote urgent need
Speaker 2: to revisit how new products come to market, but it
Speaker 2: embraces FDA action to review and authorize them. Altria pointed
Speaker 2: to pointed rooters to remarks by CEO William Gifford, who
Speaker 2: told investors in February that Altria wants quicker product authorizations
Speaker 2: and proper enforcement against illicit products. The head of the
Speaker 2: Vapor Technology Association, Tony Abound or Abude, however, said that
Speaker 2: the current system creates a steep barrier for entry and
Speaker 2: had essentially out outlawed flavored vapes that can help smokers quit.
Speaker 2: A significant change of approach was needed, he told Reuters.
Speaker 2: The association says that it represents industry leading manufacturers of
Speaker 2: vapor devices, E liquids and flavorings, distributors and suppliers, as
Speaker 2: well as retailers. Abud met with Trump in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four and afterwards. In September of twenty twenty four, Trump
Speaker 2: posted on truth social pledging to in quotes save vaping
Speaker 2: and here we are he Trump wants. He posted on
Speaker 2: truth social to save vaping. Meanwhile, yeah is meanwhile he
Speaker 2: is being funded by big tobacco.
Speaker 3: Yeah, funny how that works out right. These are those
Speaker 3: campaign promises that never come through to fruition, just like
Speaker 3: Killery's going to be in jail, right, that's totally the
Speaker 3: thing we're going to see, and then like eh, yeah,
Speaker 3: no ah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now we come to follow the money. This
Speaker 2: is a website that everybody should get familiar with if
Speaker 2: you are interested in following the money down all of
Speaker 2: the political rabbit holes. So this is OpenSecrets dot org.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is just doing God's work over here, bro,
Speaker 2: I think so. So this is the Tobacco Summary. It
Speaker 2: says that it's showing this is data from twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four because obviously twenty twenty five is not concluded yet.
Speaker 2: It says to the tobacco industry, once a lobbying juggernaut
Speaker 2: has watched his political influence wane as its cancer causing
Speaker 2: products became increasingly toxic politically speaking, contributions to federal candidates
Speaker 2: and political committees from the tobacco industry, which include makers
Speaker 2: of cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, cigars, and smokeless tobacco as well
Speaker 2: as their trade groups dropped precipitously after two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: but began trending upward again in twenty sixteen. So here
Speaker 2: are the uh right, here we have the top contributors.
Speaker 2: So this is a dude, wait till you see this shit,
Speaker 2: all right, So you can see that the contributor. This
Speaker 2: is two political parties. Okay, this is everywhere. This is
Speaker 2: not like all their ad campaigns or anything like that.
Speaker 2: This is just two political parties and sometimes even political
Speaker 2: people in general. So the the biggest lobbying tobacco company
Speaker 2: as far as politics goes, would be British American Tobacco JACOB.
Speaker 2: While while I'm saying that, can you look up which
Speaker 2: cigarette companies are British American tobacco?
Speaker 3: All right, So I'm gonna look it up. But there
Speaker 3: may not be a cigarette the Kadbiatrir gas station that's
Speaker 3: made by them. This might It's kind of like saying
Speaker 3: the oil lobbying group, like which oil company is? It's
Speaker 3: it's all of them, right, So when you get lobbying groups,
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of different companies that will feed into
Speaker 3: the lobbyists. But I will look up British American tobacco,
Speaker 3: and let's see we can find.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know Altria is one of them, and
Speaker 2: that's Philip Morris. So fritch American tobacco, I would imagine
Speaker 2: is what maybe it's pools or fucking camels or something
Speaker 2: I don't know, all.
Speaker 3: Right, made by British American tobacco. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So while we're looking at that, the total number of
Speaker 2: dollars that were spent on political uh people running was
Speaker 2: in twenty.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got you, wow wow.
Speaker 10: Ye.
Speaker 3: There's some of these you probably haven't heard of, and
Speaker 3: some of them you absolutely have heard of. Okay, And
Speaker 3: I've got a couple of these here. British American Tobacco
Speaker 3: or BAT, produces a wide range of cigarette brands, including
Speaker 3: global brands like Dunhill, Kent, Lucky Strike, Paul Mall, and
Speaker 3: Rothman's in the US market, BAT also owns and markets
Speaker 3: brands like Newport Camel and Natural American Spirit through its
Speaker 3: subsidiary Renolds American Inc.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
Speaker 3: Other international and local brands include Vogue, Visceroy Cool, and
Speaker 3: Peter Stuyvesant.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a lot of heavy hitters, especially Camel
Speaker 2: in there, dude, that's a.
Speaker 3: Camil Cool, Newport Paul mal Lucky Strike, American Spirit.
Speaker 2: Come on now, dude, yep, so Brittet, that company or
Speaker 2: that organization that has all of those cigarette makers has
Speaker 2: donated just in twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: thirteen million dollars thirteen thirteen million, eighteen thousand and forty
Speaker 2: one dollars. The listen to where it's going though, so
Speaker 2: that they donated to the Democrats. Of that thirteen million,
Speaker 2: sixty two thousand of it went to Democrats, one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy eight almost one hundred and seventy nine thousand
Speaker 2: has gone to Republicans.
Speaker 3: They probably did that because they knew which way the
Speaker 3: tides were going to shift, so they threw their money
Speaker 3: in with the crowd they figured was going to. That
Speaker 3: makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: Sure, But that's only one hundred and seventy eight or
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy nine thousand of the thirteen million,
Speaker 2: twelve point seven seven five million went to conservative groups
Speaker 2: in general, so that's where they were really targeting. They
Speaker 2: the big tobacco. Yeah, they gave a little bit to
Speaker 2: the Democrats, but none to liberal groups, none to nonpartisan groups.
Speaker 2: The majority of their money went to conservative groups, which
Speaker 2: makes sense. We got a Republican in office, vaping's getting repealed,
Speaker 2: smoking getting seemingly going to get.
Speaker 3: Some kind of an increase as a result. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Next one, you have RAI Services. You don't have to
Speaker 2: look up all these but this is just some of them.
Speaker 2: So RAI Services they donated ten million dollars. Of the
Speaker 2: ten million, only sixty five dollars went to Democrats.
Speaker 3: Whoa sixty five hole doll hairs.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, So it was ten million, two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty thousand and sixty five dollars total. Sixty five dollars
Speaker 2: total went to the Democrats. Million, two hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: thousand went to conservative groups.
Speaker 3: So, by the way, our AI is.
Speaker 2: Reynolds Oh so, all right, makes sense.
Speaker 3: Reynolds American Industries. And by the way, they're a subsidiary
Speaker 3: of the British American group that we just talked about.
Speaker 3: So it's the same fucking wallet with a different name
Speaker 3: on the checkbook.
Speaker 2: It's basically black Rock at that point.
Speaker 3: The black Rock Vanguard, and uh, what was the other
Speaker 3: one that owns everything Street State Street. It's that it's
Speaker 3: that conversation, but yeah, matter of fact, go down the list.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look up what's each one of these, Like
Speaker 3: what cigarettes are made by these subsidiaries? I like this,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: The next one is Altria. So they have Altria Client
Speaker 2: Services and Altria Group, and they're two different sectors, but
Speaker 2: they're both donating a lot of money. So Altria Client Services,
Speaker 2: which is a branch of it, donated five point seven
Speaker 2: million dollars and twenty seven hundred of it went to Democrats,
Speaker 2: thirty four thousand went to Republicans, but an astounding five
Speaker 2: point seven million of it went to conservative groups. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: big topacco was absolutely in the Republicans pockets.
Speaker 3: As of this current political timeframe.
Speaker 2: Absolutely sore because that's who's in that's who's in control
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Exactly. So Ultra owns Philip Morris, the maker of Marlborough,
Speaker 3: and John Middleton, the maker of what you might know
Speaker 3: as Black and Mild. Their smoke free portfolio includes companies
Speaker 3: like Copenhagen and Skull.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah wow, all right. Next on the list you
Speaker 2: would have, and that's just the client services. The Aultria
Speaker 2: Group donated four point six million, four hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars to Democrats. However, one point seven million
Speaker 2: to Republicans and two point four million to conservative groups.
Speaker 2: Also donated five hundred thousand to nonpartisan groups.
Speaker 3: So they've made sure that everybody around the board was eaten,
Speaker 3: but specifically the conservatives.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, uh, fifteen hundred deliberal groups because.
Speaker 3: Fuck them right exactly.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then you got Breeze smoke. That's the next one.
Speaker 3: Breeze smoke LLC breeze like a wind, breeze b r
Speaker 3: ee ze. Breeze smoke got you.
Speaker 2: They donated one million, a little over one million dollars.
Speaker 2: Sixty eight hundred of it went to Democrats one million.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: The rest of the money went to the Republicans. So
Speaker 2: sixty eight hundred went to Democrats. The rest of the
Speaker 2: one point or the one million, fifty and sixty four
Speaker 2: dollars went to Republicans.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Breeze does not manufacture traditional cigarettes. They are
Speaker 3: known for disposable electronic nicotine delivery systems, also known as
Speaker 3: vape products and e cigarettes. Breeze Smoke was previously a
Speaker 3: Michigan based company, but seized US distri in late twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four due to FDA actions and shifted sales overseas. Wow.
Speaker 3: So Breeze Smoke was a vape company that last year
Speaker 3: donated to all these political figures. Next year probably not
Speaker 3: so much unless they're trying to get back in the
Speaker 3: good graces and everything. But yeah, let me see Bree's
Speaker 3: disposable vapes. I'm trying to see if there's some of
Speaker 3: these that that we might recognize.
Speaker 2: Many of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be honest with you. I'm looking at their
Speaker 3: product line here. There's nothing that it looks just like
Speaker 3: your typical vape that you would ever buy from a
Speaker 3: vape shop.
Speaker 2: Ever, however, not a name brand you'd recognize.
Speaker 3: It looks very similar to every other vape and no,
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever actually seen that name brand
Speaker 3: in stores.
Speaker 2: So Bree's got got nuts leapt they're out, yeah, buddy. However,
Speaker 2: next on the list is Jewel Labs, which no need
Speaker 2: to up. Jewel Labs. They donate did four hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty six thousand dollars. Two hundred and twenty six thousand
Speaker 2: of those dollars went to Democrats, twenty five thousand went
Speaker 2: to Republicans, thirteen hundred went to liberal groups, and two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand went to conservative groups. So still, well, that
Speaker 2: one's actually pretty equal. So they put two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty six thousand to Democrats, two hundred thousand to conservative groups,
Speaker 2: and a couple extra pennies to Republicans and liberal groups.
Speaker 3: So I think it's worth mentioning here. Jewel Labs was
Speaker 3: co founded by these two gentlemen as part of pax
Speaker 3: Labs and started selling the jewel devices in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, Jewel Labs was spun off from pax Labs,
Speaker 3: after which Altria acquired at a thirty five percent stake
Speaker 3: in the company for twelve point eight billion dollars on
Speaker 3: December twentieth of twenty eighteen. So, yes, they weren't originally
Speaker 3: owned by Philip Morris and all that, but they are
Speaker 3: well in Altrio, but they are now.
Speaker 2: They got bought out, yeah, and that's that's because of
Speaker 2: all of the things that they were being sued for
Speaker 2: by Big Tobacco, and so they had they I would
Speaker 2: imagine they probably just had no choice but to sell.
Speaker 3: They I mean, but still they bought in at a
Speaker 3: thirty five percent steak in the company for twelve point
Speaker 3: eight billion, So you understand that means that this company
Speaker 3: was valued way higher than that, but they fucking hit
Speaker 3: them with so many lawsuits that it was cheaper for
Speaker 3: them to just sell majority steak in their company than
Speaker 3: it would have been to fight the good fight in
Speaker 3: the court system. Because you're dealing with big tobacco that's
Speaker 3: got the deepest of deep.
Speaker 2: Pockets inful trade and tear down from within.
Speaker 3: Yep, seems like copard espionage, dude, That's essentially all it is.
Speaker 2: How about Swish or sweets Swisher no national They donated
Speaker 2: three hundred and seven thousand dollars. Sixty seven thousand went
Speaker 2: to Democrats, two hundred and thirty seven thousand went to Republicans,
Speaker 2: a thousand went to liberal groups, and zero to the
Speaker 2: conservative groups. Vector group which I'm not unaware of that one,
Speaker 2: but Vector Group they put up a one hundred damn
Speaker 2: near one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. One hundred and
Speaker 2: twelve dollars of the one hundred and eighty went to Democrats. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: seventy nine thousand dollars went to Republicans and one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars went to conservative groups. So you can see
Speaker 2: right here by this list alone, and this isn't even
Speaker 2: all of them, because after that you got Philip Morris
Speaker 2: International PMI Global Services. What's the next? Oh, and then
Speaker 2: you got Swedish match North on Excalibur Imperol.
Speaker 3: And I'm just saying that, Like, twisch Er Sweet just
Speaker 3: made me think about something. Dude, They're coming after flavored
Speaker 3: tobacco products. We're over here thinking about flavored cigarettes, big dog.
Speaker 3: They're thinking they're gonna start coming. I'm just curious now
Speaker 3: if what they're saying on paper is that flavored tobacco
Speaker 3: products or being marketed for children, does that mean that
Speaker 3: I won't be able to get my wine flavored wood
Speaker 3: tip black and mile whenever I get.
Speaker 2: The cra I mean, how about the fucking white grape
Speaker 2: white owls. That's like that's a go to for anybody
Speaker 2: rolling a blunt great backwoods?
Speaker 3: Like, are we saying that all of that is about
Speaker 3: to go by the wayside as a result.
Speaker 11: Or but the children think about the children, or like
Speaker 11: flavored shit or somehow these products are gonna see no
Speaker 11: real issue, right, So there was another thing I just
Speaker 11: found and said, is swiss or Sweet about to be discontinued?
Speaker 3: No, they just made it to where they can't sell
Speaker 3: their products out of vending machines in certain locations anymore. Wow,
Speaker 3: that that's what they're doing to compensate and say, see,
Speaker 3: we're being affected by it too. Big tobacco is getting
Speaker 3: hit just as hard as big vape in these legal precedents.
Speaker 2: The fuck uh false so falls next one we have
Speaker 2: these are check this list out. This is annual lobbying
Speaker 2: totals ninety eight. Uh, there were. That was the most
Speaker 2: amount of money that was ever lobbied in politics via
Speaker 2: Big tobacco, which is crazy. They lobbied seventy three million
Speaker 2: dollars in ninety eight, and then the farther down you go, Uh,
Speaker 2: the farther down you go. You got twenty three million
Speaker 2: in ninety nine, twenty million in two thousand and so on,
Speaker 2: and it's it has its ebbs and flows, but it
Speaker 2: never once even came close to half of the money
Speaker 2: that was lobbied for in ninety eight, which is pretty
Speaker 2: interesting because that was the Clinton years.
Speaker 3: It is indeed. But also I got some commercials that
Speaker 3: we're gonna play here in a little bit. Keep that
Speaker 3: date in mind, you just said, and making sure I
Speaker 3: fully fully hear you. Nineteen ninety eight was the largest
Speaker 3: payout that Big tobacco paid to their legal or to
Speaker 3: the to the politicians more.
Speaker 2: Accurate, more than doubles every other year since then.
Speaker 3: Okay, everybody just remember that whenever we play a commercial
Speaker 3: from night te teen ninety seven for a vape ad.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna get.
Speaker 2: There really, okay. And you can see these are the
Speaker 2: top lobbying clients in twenty twenty four. Altria thirteen million,
Speaker 2: Phillip Morris six million, British American Tobacco five point eight million,
Speaker 2: Hey Island holding one point five million, Jewel Labs one million,
Speaker 2: everybody else below a million dollars. And check this out, parties,
Speaker 2: split of receipts or of recipients by election title, by
Speaker 2: election cycle from nineteen ninety to twenty twenty four, a
Speaker 2: Republican has taken on more money from big tobacco in
Speaker 2: every single election cycle since nineteen ninety. Cool, every single year,
Speaker 2: the Republicans are the ones that are being funded by
Speaker 2: big tobacco.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's Democrats right now like say they are
Speaker 3: the evil ones trying to kill us, and it's like, first.
Speaker 2: Of all calls Democrats still be getting some cheese out
Speaker 2: of it too.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: The Big Tobacco prefers a Republican.
Speaker 3: I think they prefer Republican because Republicans are more in
Speaker 3: favor of big business. But I think that it's pretty
Speaker 3: much a one to one comparison for how many Republicans
Speaker 3: versus how many Democrats smoke.
Speaker 2: Just we're all clear, probably, so yeah, you can see
Speaker 2: party split of recipients. Check this out. Now we're going
Speaker 2: to get to specific recipients who have received said money. Okay,
Speaker 2: in as a matter of fact, this is what's interesting
Speaker 2: about this. So these are per election cycle, so that
Speaker 2: is to Democrats or Republicans, but whenever you break it
Speaker 2: down to the individuals, it looks a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, for example, in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty four, the funding that was going towards
Speaker 2: the two running presidents, which was Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris received ninety five thousand dollars from big tobacco.
Speaker 2: Trump only received seventy one thousand dollars. So we got
Speaker 2: more money from big tobacco than even old DT. Right,
Speaker 2: and then followed by certain you know, representatives, senators or whatever.
Speaker 2: Tim Kaine from Virginia makes a lot of sense that
Speaker 2: he would get a lot of money. That's where a
Speaker 2: lot of tobacco comes from.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, how about that, your boy, Mike Johnson out
Speaker 2: of Louisiana, Speaker of the House, got fifty five thousand,
Speaker 2: damn near fifty six thousand dollars from big tobacco.
Speaker 3: I can imagine. I know that there is some tobacco
Speaker 3: that's grown in this state, so that checks out.
Speaker 2: Next one, David Rooser, North Carolina, So same area of Virginia,
Speaker 2: all that kind of shit. They got the tobacco going
Speaker 2: on big time up there, yep. And next day. Won't
Speaker 2: let me go to the next one. Oh, there's only one, okay.
Speaker 2: So these are the only ones specific representatives or presidential
Speaker 2: candidates that receive money in twenty twenty three and twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Otherwise the money was going to said party.
Speaker 2: But these are just the individuals that received the money.
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy. So I look this up just now
Speaker 3: because I was curious if there's been a study done
Speaker 3: to see who smokes more Republican voters or Democrat voters.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, and just out of the curiosity, right. So,
Speaker 3: studies indicate that Democrats and liberals tend to have a
Speaker 3: higher smoking rate compared to Republicans and conservatives. One study
Speaker 3: found that Democrats had higher odds of cigarette smoking and
Speaker 3: excessive drinking compared to Republicans. In contrast, Republicans were less
Speaker 3: likely to smoke than Democrats. However, the same study also
Speaker 3: highlighted a nuance individuals residing in Republican majority states were
Speaker 3: more likely to smoke, regardless of their own political leanings.
Speaker 3: So that makes sense. But if we're going to just
Speaker 3: look at the numbers strictly the math, it actually checks
Speaker 3: out that Democrats pay more into big tobacco by you know,
Speaker 3: buying more shit than conservatives and Republicans do. But somehow
Speaker 3: the Republics are the ones that get most of the funding. Why,
Speaker 3: you might ask, because Republicans are all about big business.
Speaker 3: They're all about the corporations. That's why a lot of
Speaker 3: big businesses, a lot of fortune five hundred companies, throw
Speaker 3: their lot in way more heavily with Republicans because they're
Speaker 3: going to be less restricted.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, makes sense. I do have one more thing
Speaker 2: that I did want to bring up I have two
Speaker 2: other I don't know if I want to talk about
Speaker 2: the other thing that I just just out of spite
Speaker 2: and the fucking renegade in me, I was going to
Speaker 2: teach everybody how to make their own baye juice.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that hard. We listed the four
Speaker 3: ingredients earlier, and you could buy that all of these materials.
Speaker 3: You could buy candy flavorings, you can buy the nicotine salt,
Speaker 3: and you can buy the vegetable glycerin or glycol excuse me, yeah,
Speaker 3: you can make it at your home.
Speaker 2: The information's out there, so I don't need to give
Speaker 2: you the ingredient list. You can go and search that.
Speaker 2: It's really easy to find. It's not like super hidden
Speaker 2: anywhere now. But that being said, the last thing that
Speaker 2: I did want to present is just a final overview,
Speaker 2: and then we got a couple of videos that we
Speaker 2: wanted to show to but a final overview of vapes
Speaker 2: versus cigarettes, just to lay it all out there with
Speaker 2: everything that we've talked about, plus a little bit more so.
Speaker 2: I was curious, you know, is there a legal reason
Speaker 2: why cigarettes have so many chemicals? Or is it to
Speaker 2: strictly save money by using cheaper filler products. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's see if it goes there, Like, is
Speaker 2: that the reason why there's so many, so many chemicals?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So then I got five things that would back this up.
Speaker 2: It says it's not really a legal requirement for cigarettes
Speaker 2: to have so many chemicals. It's almost entirely the result
Speaker 2: of manufacturing choices, cost cutting, and addiction engineering. So how
Speaker 2: that breaks down is is cheaper to produce with additives
Speaker 2: and fillers. Look at the pap industry, it's no different.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So tobacco companies use reconstituted tobacco sheet, which is basically
Speaker 2: ground up stems, scrap, and dust, glued together with chemicals
Speaker 2: and sprayed with flavor enhancers, instead of using only whole
Speaker 2: tobacco leaf.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So already you're getting the fucking scraps of the scraps.
Speaker 3: When you smoke, you're getting tobacco pulp that that's essentially
Speaker 3: what it is, and it's all glued together with chemicals
Speaker 3: that are horror before you with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you're a weed smoker, they're giving
Speaker 2: you the seeds and stems.
Speaker 3: That's it. They're grinding up the seeds and stems and
Speaker 3: putting that sticky ichy on it to use as glue
Speaker 3: and then trying to sell it like it's already pre ground.
Speaker 2: So this sheet in quotes, is it's almost like fucking plywood,
Speaker 2: is what they're like, pulpwood exactly, yes, same the particle
Speaker 2: board shit. So this sheet is cheaper, it burns more evenly,
Speaker 2: and it allows precise nicotine dosing. It also allows or
Speaker 2: it also lets them mix in cheap filler materials and
Speaker 2: chemical agents without consumers noticing. So when you're thinking about
Speaker 2: the fucking thousands of different harmful chemical agents within a cigarette,
Speaker 2: this this is why they're doing it. It's not that
Speaker 2: cigarettes are fucking safer. It's not that they're less addictive
Speaker 2: or anything like that. No, no, no, no, they're not
Speaker 2: worried about your health because they're going to cut corners
Speaker 2: at every single fucking possible place they could. And this
Speaker 2: is a way that they do it. Another crazy thing
Speaker 2: I didn't know this. They have addiction optimization. Okay, they
Speaker 2: find a way to make nicotine even more addictive than
Speaker 2: just the natural nicotine. Okay. Chemicals like ammonia are added
Speaker 2: in the cigarettes to raise the pH of the smoke,
Speaker 2: which turns nicotine into a quote unquote free base form.
Speaker 2: This hits the brain faster, much like crack cocaine versus
Speaker 2: powdered cocaine, making cigarettes more addictive. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: This is pre based cocaine. That's Jesus dude.
Speaker 2: Bak is soda. Yeah, yeah, that's what that is. Sugar, cocoa,
Speaker 2: and menthol aren't just flavorings. They also alter the smoke
Speaker 2: chemistry to make inhalation smoother, allowing deeper drags and bigger
Speaker 2: nicotine absorption, so they want to try and get you
Speaker 2: as addicted as humanly fucking possible. Another way is burn
Speaker 2: control and shelf life, so they add potassium citrate and
Speaker 2: other agents to make cigarettes burn slower or faster, depending
Speaker 2: on marketing needs. There are preservatives and mold inhibitors that
Speaker 2: extend storage life, especially for products shipped globally. Then you
Speaker 2: have brand consistency. It says every Marlboro has to taste
Speaker 2: like every other Marborough, no matter where or when it's bought.
Speaker 2: Achieving that means standardizing the chemical cocktail so that even
Speaker 2: different batches of tobacco of tobacco taste exactly the same.
Speaker 3: This makes sense for like brand recognition, right do you
Speaker 3: want to have that standardization across the board, like for
Speaker 3: a business. I understand that, but you're standardizing it with
Speaker 3: horrible shit that you know are killing your customer base.
Speaker 2: So you want to look at people. Uh, people will say, well,
Speaker 2: you should invade because it's unnatural. Bro, this is the
Speaker 2: onmost the the most unnatural fucking cocktail soup that you
Speaker 2: could imagine. You're not even smoking what you think you're smoking,
Speaker 2: right right. Uh. They also have legal loopholes, and disclosure
Speaker 2: doesn't equal ban. So there's no law requiring manufacturers to
Speaker 2: keep cigarettes as pure tobacco, no law that says that
Speaker 2: in most countries they must disclose the presence of certain
Speaker 2: harmful chemicals. But they're not prohibited. They're not prohibited from
Speaker 2: using them. As long as they disclose and tell you
Speaker 2: what's in it, they're still allowed to use it. So
Speaker 2: governments don't push for removal of this because it would
Speaker 2: hurt tax revenue if cigarettes became less addictive and people
Speaker 2: smoked less. And also, tobacco companies have powerful lobbying arms
Speaker 2: that protect their formulas, so it's not a legal necessity.
Speaker 2: It's a corporate strategy cheaper to make more addictive easier
Speaker 2: to mass produce consistently, and backed by a system that
Speaker 2: profits from keeping people hooked. If you smoked pure, additive
Speaker 2: free tobacco leaf, it would still carry health risks, but
Speaker 2: you'd avoid hundreds of those extra industrial chemicals designed to
Speaker 2: keep you coming back for more. So I then asked,
Speaker 2: does China do the same thing with their vapes. Let's
Speaker 2: call spade a spade here. Okay, it says yeah in
Speaker 2: a way, but the motives and methods are a bit
Speaker 2: different from what big Tobacco does with cigarettes. So here's
Speaker 2: how it works with China and vapes. China controls most
Speaker 2: of the world's vape manufacturing over ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: world's vapes, hardware, devices, coils, pods, and a large portion
Speaker 2: of the liquid supply comes from China, especially from shen Zen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where this company's based out of. As a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, I looked it up.
Speaker 2: Makes sense. So that means whatever standards, shortcuts or substitutions happen,
Speaker 2: happen there ripple out globally. So additives and cost cutting
Speaker 2: in liquids in the unregulated side of China's vape industry,
Speaker 2: especially for products sold domestically or through gray market exporters.
Speaker 2: Cheap flavoring agents, synthetic nicotine, or even cutting agents can
Speaker 2: be used to reduce production costs. Some small factories don't
Speaker 2: use pharmaceutical grade PGVEG, which is the oil or lab
Speaker 2: tested nicotine, which can introduce contaminants, heavy metals, pesticide, residue,
Speaker 2: or solvent traces. This is less about making vapes more
Speaker 2: addictive like cigarettes, and more about keeping prices ultra low
Speaker 2: and maximizing profit margins. So they're still doing the same
Speaker 2: thing it in just a different way. This is why
Speaker 2: I think that everybody, and even still, even with them
Speaker 2: doing all of that, still ninety five percent less harmful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't forget that number, still ninety five percent less harmful.
Speaker 2: Which begs the question that even if they are putting
Speaker 2: some negative components inside of the vape liquid or whatever,
Speaker 2: would that ninety five percent less be significantly less if
Speaker 2: you were to make your own vape juice.
Speaker 3: I think you would, I think so personally. Right, you're
Speaker 3: taking out the uh, the factory manufacturing of it, which
Speaker 3: is where those potentially harmful things can really come from,
Speaker 3: right right.
Speaker 2: So, and one final thing here, just to really put
Speaker 2: a fucking bow on this bad boy. I wanted to
Speaker 2: see what are the number of deaths related to nicotine
Speaker 2: and smoking. Let's see what they are, you know, if
Speaker 2: one's so bad, I mean, maybe we should see the
Speaker 2: fruits of that.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's what the.
Speaker 2: Data currently shows confirmed deaths from vaping related lung injuries
Speaker 2: in the United States. Okay, this was in a evaluation
Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen to twenty twenty, So it says in
Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen to twenty twenty Evolley outbreak, which is
Speaker 2: e cigarette or vaping associated lung injury, the CDC confirmed
Speaker 2: sixty eight deaths across twenty nine states and the District
Speaker 2: of Columbia by February eighteen, twenty twenty. IVALI, however, was
Speaker 2: linked primarily to contaminated THHC vaping products, particularly those those
Speaker 2: contaminating are containing vitamin e acetate, not regulated nicotine vapes.
Speaker 3: So that sixty nine deaths, sixty eight deaths for the
Speaker 3: entire year.
Speaker 2: Sixty eight deaths, but every single one of the depths
Speaker 2: of the deaths were using the THHC vaping products, not nicotine.
Speaker 3: But right, so, how many people die from cigarettes that year?
Speaker 3: Just selling it out? Well?
Speaker 2: But big Tobacco tried to say vaping kills look at this. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: it was all it had nothing to do with nicotine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get to those deaths, I promise. So
Speaker 2: there are nicotine only vaping. If you're only smoking nicotine,
Speaker 2: you're not smoking the weed vapes. Zero confirmed deaths zero.
Speaker 2: There are no confirmed deaths nationally or globally attributed solely
Speaker 2: to nicotine vaping and regulated products. Most serious evolley cases
Speaker 2: involve the THHC or black market vape cartridges not approved
Speaker 2: by nicotine based e liquids. There are other health incidents
Speaker 2: and poisoning data. So poison control data shows that vaping
Speaker 2: related exposures have increased, particularly in children. Among reported cases,
Speaker 2: point zero point one percent involved life threatening symptoms, but
Speaker 2: deaths were extremely rare, if any so in children, even
Speaker 2: when the children smoke or when the children vape, which
Speaker 2: they should not be doing that, right, A kid's gonna
Speaker 2: be a kid. They're gonna get their hands on what
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be getting their hands on. Even in the
Speaker 2: kids that did it, point one percent had life threatening
Speaker 2: symptoms point one That is one in a thousand.
Speaker 3: There really is I mean life threatening from nicotine. Now,
Speaker 3: I know, like nicotine overloads a thing and it can
Speaker 3: make you puke, right, And I mean I suppose there
Speaker 3: is a risk of maybe a seizure of some type
Speaker 3: happening like that. Especially. I mean, have you ever you
Speaker 3: ever see somebody take a dip for the first time?
Speaker 2: I remember my first time as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it fucked your entire world up, didn't it do?
Speaker 2: I thought I was shit faced. It made me feel
Speaker 2: so drunk right now. If a six year old was
Speaker 2: to take a dip. Yeah, by the way, it was
Speaker 2: what it was, Levi Garrett. By the way, Oh.
Speaker 3: That's not a dip, br that's a chew. That's different.
Speaker 2: It fucked me up.
Speaker 3: Oh, dude, dip hits you harder because it got fiberglass
Speaker 3: in it that cuts into your gums to pretty much
Speaker 3: give you direct blood to nicotine transference.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Two is just you know, molasses and enriched tobacco that
Speaker 3: you just two in your lip and it slowly seeps in,
Speaker 3: so it still gets there. It just takes longer. Right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you were to give like a six
Speaker 3: year old that weighs I don't know, forty pounds a dip. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's gonna knock them on their fucking ass, and it's
Speaker 3: very possible that that would like hurt them. So I
Speaker 3: understand what they're saying with this, but I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: that that's necessarily life threatening. Like I don't know to
Speaker 3: what level and to what kind of saturation of nicotine
Speaker 3: you would need to make it like detrimental to your
Speaker 3: actual life. But I know that number does exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. But this is in regards to vaping
Speaker 2: in general. So one in a thousand kids on average
Speaker 2: had life threatening symptoms. We don't know how much they
Speaker 2: were taken in. And you know, you got some of
Speaker 2: those vapes that like they spit out the juice and
Speaker 2: so it's a lot more concentrated rather than just vaping
Speaker 2: it because you get a little bit of the juice
Speaker 2: on your tongue and in your mouth and everything. We
Speaker 2: don't know, but there are. It says there are currently
Speaker 2: no accurate global figures for deaths specifically due to nicotine vaping.
Speaker 2: Most national agencies, including the World Health Organization, do not
Speaker 2: report any nicotine only vaping fatalities. Could that be because
Speaker 2: there isn't any or is it just not something that's documented. However,
Speaker 2: it says the overwhelming consensus is that nicotine vaping remains
Speaker 2: far less harmful than smoking, though not entirely risk free.
Speaker 2: The death toll from smoking tobacco is staggering, and unlike vaping,
Speaker 2: the numbers are crystal clear and universally recognized. So globally,
Speaker 2: the World Health Organization estimates that tobacco kills more than
Speaker 2: eight million people every year worldwide. About seven million of
Speaker 2: those deaths are from direct tobacco use, and one point
Speaker 2: three million, on average are from secondhand smoke exposure. Means
Speaker 2: roughly one death every four seconds is tied to tobacco.
Speaker 2: Every four seconds, somebody dies from smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3: Bro Warow, that's crazy. That's over like years and years
Speaker 3: of use though, And I get that, But also that
Speaker 3: doesn't detract from the math.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, and that's the thing, I mean, what is
Speaker 2: that a fifth of the people A fifth, Yeah, something
Speaker 2: like that, fourth or a fifth maybe every four and
Speaker 2: a half A fifth of the people are dying from second.
Speaker 3: Hand Yeah, I could see that too for sure.
Speaker 2: Who's dying from second hand, babe?
Speaker 3: Not a goddamn person.
Speaker 2: You're not even getting people dying from firsthand? Let alone
Speaker 2: secondhand exactly. So smoking is the leading preventable cause of
Speaker 2: death globally, causing more deaths than alcohol. Listen to this
Speaker 2: fucking stat bro Smoking is the leading preventable cause of
Speaker 2: death globally, causing more deaths than alcohol, illegal drugs, car accidents,
Speaker 2: HIV and AIDS, and murder combined. Yeah, holy fuck, that's
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: But there's a lobbying group that's trying to make sure
Speaker 3: that it stays at the forefront, that everybody can get
Speaker 3: their hands on cigarettes at your local gas station.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says the CDC reports that cigarette smoking causes
Speaker 2: over four hundred and eighty thousand deaths each year in
Speaker 2: the United States alone. This includes about forty one thousand
Speaker 2: deaths a year from secondhand smoke. Holy shit, secondhand smoke
Speaker 2: forty one thousand people, So that's about one in every
Speaker 2: five deaths annually in the US are dying from secondhand smoke.
Speaker 2: And then it says smoking also shortens the life expectancy
Speaker 2: by an average of ten years compared to non smokers.
Speaker 2: So in the final comparison here to nicotine vaping deaths,
Speaker 2: so nicotine vaping zero confirmed deaths, smoking tobacco eight million
Speaker 2: deaths worldwide every year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, miss me with vaping is more.
Speaker 2: Dangerous, miss me with it, because we just got I
Speaker 2: showed you every fucking receipt that I could possibly find
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 3: Well, we just don't know how dangerous it is because
Speaker 3: it hadn't been out long enough to have people die
Speaker 3: of it. Wait until they got people that have been
Speaker 3: vaping for fifty years, and then we'll see what they
Speaker 3: can show. Listen, I hear that, and respectfully, that makes
Speaker 3: no sense. There is no known carcinogens inside of this
Speaker 3: device in my hand right now. There is, in fact,
Speaker 3: thousands of chemicals and over seventy for sure known carcinogens
Speaker 3: inside of every single cigarette. I'm sorry, we are not
Speaker 3: comparing apples to apples in this conversation.
Speaker 2: We're not. Yeah, We're just not.
Speaker 3: Wow. So yeah, I would agree that big tobacco lobbyists
Speaker 3: are the ones that are making all of these moves happen,
Speaker 3: pulling the strings to make sure that certain political figures
Speaker 3: will pass legislation, to make sure that cigarettes are going
Speaker 3: to be sold, get text the fuck out of, and
Speaker 3: that vapes are getting taken off of shelves and are
Speaker 3: now being criminalized in states across the country that that
Speaker 3: makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, look see what say what you want,
Speaker 2: but the facts don't lie on this kind of shit, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much more clear we can make
Speaker 2: it now. This is not to try and tell everybody
Speaker 2: that you need to go and pick up a vape
Speaker 2: because it's just a fun hobby. You still shouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I would rather not have this problem. I want to
Speaker 2: quit it because to say that it's not gonna kill me,
Speaker 2: that's probably correct, but my allergies are out of control
Speaker 2: whenever I've ape, like I am constantly with the phlegm
Speaker 2: and the fucking all that nasty shit in my chest
Speaker 2: and everything. There's that's still a thing. You're you're still
Speaker 2: pumping fucking vapor into your lungs. Never again. Thing right,
Speaker 2: But in accordance or in comparison rather to smoking cigarettes,
Speaker 2: far and above not as bad.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not even in my opinion, and from all
Speaker 3: of the data and research we've just looked at on
Speaker 3: this episode, it's not even a fair comparison. It's it's
Speaker 3: not it's a night and day conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you know, do with that as you will.
Speaker 2: I had one more thing that I wanted to look up,
Speaker 2: So the amount of deaths, because I know that there's
Speaker 2: been a large increase in chemicals in the cigarettes now
Speaker 2: compared to say, nineteen sixty, Right, that would be a
Speaker 2: pretty easy assumption. So I wanted to see what the
Speaker 2: number of deaths due to smoking in nineteen sixty compared to today,
Speaker 2: if we can, more so put it on the chemicals
Speaker 2: that are in it rather than just the tobacco and
Speaker 2: the paper itself. Okay, So, globally smoking smoking claims around
Speaker 2: seven to eight million lives each year. For example, the
Speaker 2: World Health Organization states that tobacco kills more than seven
Speaker 2: people annually, seven million people annually. Other estimates mentioned approximately
Speaker 2: eight million deaths per year, and so but in nineteen sixty, okay. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: there's no precise global figure available for smoking related deaths
Speaker 2: in that year. However, we can draw on some insights
Speaker 2: from historical data. So a retrospective estimate for the entire
Speaker 2: twentieth century. Okay, so in the nineteen hundreds, for the
Speaker 2: entire twentieth century, suggests that around one hundred million people
Speaker 2: died prematurely because of smoking. Most of those deaths occurred
Speaker 2: in rich countries. This works out to an average of
Speaker 2: one million deaths per year across one hundred year span,
Speaker 2: but smoking was far less prevalent in early decades, so
Speaker 2: the annual toll in nineteen sixty was well below, or
Speaker 2: was likely well below, seven to eight million. Data from
Speaker 2: specific regions like parts of the United States and Europe
Speaker 2: indicated growing trend in smoking related mortality through the mid
Speaker 2: twentieth century, but no global estimates from nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3: But it is interesting, that's not correct. The smoking was
Speaker 3: very prevalent. Everybody smoked in the early nineteen hundred.
Speaker 2: I thought so too, and maybe just the data collection
Speaker 2: wasn't Yeah, fair, fair collection on it. But even still,
Speaker 2: of what was collected, one hundred million people died in
Speaker 2: the entire century, So.
Speaker 3: A million people per year, and that's best case scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's so. I think that that would in
Speaker 2: my head that points too. All right, so a million
Speaker 2: people year as opposed to eight million people per year.
Speaker 2: You could say that the chemicals and the carcinogens that
Speaker 2: they have added since then are far more dangerous than
Speaker 2: they than were originally. And I don't even that's not
Speaker 2: even a fucking stretch.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent with you. So yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Probably getting fucking worse for you, bro, That's really the
Speaker 2: truth of the matter.
Speaker 3: Now, let's talk about some of those things from back
Speaker 3: in the gap, right, So, I've got a couple of
Speaker 3: commercials pulled up. The first one is called the Most
Speaker 3: Honest Cigarette Commercial, and this is from nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 3: All right, let's let's listen in on sniff your own Patreon,
Speaker 3: enjoy the viewing. Let's watch.
Speaker 6: Dim Ber.
Speaker 10: And I need a break from chopping down those four
Speaker 10: thousand year old redwoods. I turned to Lumberjacks cigarettes. Ah,
Speaker 10: with your taste of burning leaves, when you want to
Speaker 10: feel that targoing deep into your lungs, try Lumberjacks cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Lumber jackson.
Speaker 3: Smell them, they make your clothes smell.
Speaker 6: Be me.
Speaker 2: They leave stage on your teeth.
Speaker 9: Pick the leaves up dead tobacco. Chop them up for lumberjacko,
Speaker 9: rolled up tighter, dead on the fire, Suck them down
Speaker 9: to you wet Sparso when you get gens for those
Speaker 9: gens the Lumberjacks, you ball taste like cigarettes off.
Speaker 3: So again, that's nineteen seventy one for a the most
Speaker 3: honest cigarette commercial. However, that was obviously for an anti
Speaker 3: smoking campaign, but I still thought it was.
Speaker 2: Funny, beautiful. I loved it. That was good.
Speaker 3: Now let's talk about a cigarette commercial from the nineteen fifties. Okay,
Speaker 3: do you inhale? This is a ridiculous cigarette commercial. Get
Speaker 3: ready for this one.
Speaker 6: Do you inhale? Then you're better off smoking Philip Marris.
Speaker 6: And here's how you can prove it. Right up a
Speaker 6: Philip Marris, Take a puff, get a good mouthful of smoke,
Speaker 6: and slowly let the smoke come directly through your nose.
Speaker 6: Now might up your present brand and do exactly the
Speaker 6: same thing. Take a puff, get a good mouthful of smoke,
Speaker 6: and slowly let the smoke come directly through your nose.
Speaker 6: Notice any difference, Yes.
Speaker 4: But Philip Morris is so mild by my own brand
Speaker 4: seems sort of harsh and burning.
Speaker 6: That's irritation. And remember the irritation you felt in your
Speaker 6: nose is the same irritation that occurs in your throat
Speaker 6: every time you inhale your own brand. So over a
Speaker 6: more enjoyable smoke than you've ever known before. Smoke to that, Morris.
Speaker 6: The one cigarette proved definitely less irritating, definitely milder than
Speaker 6: any other leading brad. Do you inhale, then you certainly
Speaker 6: should do.
Speaker 3: You now that that's called irritation. You know that my
Speaker 3: nose is burning, that's called irritation. It is definitely better,
Speaker 3: definitely to definitely smoke.
Speaker 2: Philip Morris on fucking real, dude, that's crape.
Speaker 3: That was on TV back in the day. Now, does
Speaker 3: everybody remember these ridiculous Blue E cigarette commercials?
Speaker 2: Uh, let's see negative one.
Speaker 4: I'm tired of being a walking asterisk.
Speaker 3: Negative two.
Speaker 4: I'm tired of feeling guilty every time I want to
Speaker 4: light up.
Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Dorf.
Speaker 4: I've been a smoker for twenty years, and I just
Speaker 4: found the smarter alternate, Blue E six. Blue lets me
Speaker 4: enjoy smoking without it affecting the people around me because
Speaker 4: it's vapor, not tobacco smoke. That means no ash and
Speaker 4: best of all, no offensive odor. With Blue, you can
Speaker 4: smoke in a basketball game if you want to. And
Speaker 4: how about not having to go outside every ten minutes
Speaker 4: when you're in a bar with your friends. The point
Speaker 4: is you can smoke Blue virtually anywhere. We're all adults here.
Speaker 4: It's time we take our freedom back. Come on, guys,
Speaker 4: rise from the ashes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, blue e cigarette. Do you remember those things?
Speaker 2: Doo? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And they sucked.
Speaker 2: They sucked, not good at all.
Speaker 3: They never ever made me feel like I had actually
Speaker 3: like gotten my nicotine fix.
Speaker 2: No, it was always a shitty substitute.
Speaker 3: It was. But that was the first red available e
Speaker 3: sig that was like it looked even like a little
Speaker 3: black cigarette, and he kind of made you feel like
Speaker 3: you were just out there having a smoke with your
Speaker 3: people or whatever the case was, but you didn't have
Speaker 3: to go outside. It's so crazy. Oh my god. Now
Speaker 3: let's talk about the first vape commercial ever to air
Speaker 3: on television.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: It was so nuanced that there was a one eight
Speaker 3: hundred number that you had to call to order your
Speaker 3: vape because it wasn't something you could just buy right.
Speaker 3: This is from nineteen ninety seven. Now, in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 3: the tobacco companies spent more money than ever before in
Speaker 3: the political sphere. Is there a connection here? I am
Speaker 3: personally of.
Speaker 2: The belief that there was no coincidence.
Speaker 3: Let's check it out.
Speaker 5: I thought you quit smoking.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 6: Really, what's up with time and tails?
Speaker 2: It gives me the nicotine I need to fight my
Speaker 2: cravings and help me quit.
Speaker 6: Really, you can only use it for.
Speaker 2: For six months, and you have to use it as
Speaker 2: part of the stop smoking program first. Then you can't
Speaker 2: use it with anything else containing nicotine.
Speaker 6: It's important to tell your doctor if you have harder
Speaker 6: lung disease or are pregnant or nursing.
Speaker 10: The most common side effects are mild thrower, mouth irritation,
Speaker 10: cough an upset stomach.
Speaker 5: How surprisingly, intelligently.
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Speaker 3: had to get a doctor's prescription for wow well, or
Speaker 3: you could call the one one hundred number and just
Speaker 3: buy it out right. But if you went through a doctor,
Speaker 3: your insurance might even be able to help you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's it's like what Australia is trying to do.
Speaker 3: Right, But again, this was in ninety seven, so let's
Speaker 3: just make sure we're all on the same page of
Speaker 3: the facts. In nineteen ninety seven, it was understood that
Speaker 3: you could vape nicotine to get off of tobacco and
Speaker 3: it was going to be readily available. Yeah, this time
Speaker 3: you had to go through your doctor or whatever the
Speaker 3: case was, and cool, but they understood that the technology
Speaker 3: was there and that it was only a matter of
Speaker 3: time before it went on the mainstream. So the very
Speaker 3: next year, Big Tobacco spends all of this money to
Speaker 3: shut that shit down in the public zeitgeist. Then let's
Speaker 3: cut to the annoying ass metal monster vape ad four
Speaker 3: years ago. If anybody was watching TV back then, you'll
Speaker 3: probably recognize this anti vaping commercial because it puts metal
Speaker 3: in your lungs. Let's check this out.
Speaker 13: If you vape, you could be in hell and ToxS
Speaker 13: and metals unto your lungs.
Speaker 3: Just so, how scary that is.
Speaker 13: We made metal monsters, But nothing is as scary as
Speaker 13: the facts vapor can deliver it.
Speaker 3: ToxS, and metals like nickel and lead into your lungs.
Speaker 3: Nickel and lead into your lungs. And he didn't say
Speaker 3: that it does. He says that it can deliver these
Speaker 3: things into your lungs. Is there any fucking study to
Speaker 3: show that whatsoever that was from the real cost?
Speaker 2: It can uh send unicorn farts into my lungs too, right?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a greater than zero percent chance that
Speaker 3: you could swallow your vapor and choke to death. Will
Speaker 3: somebody think about the children? I'm telling you, bro, it's oh,
Speaker 3: it's mine numbing.
Speaker 2: There's a chance that somebody queathed into your e juice.
Speaker 2: Do you really want to inhale that? It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, when we're talking about the amount of money
Speaker 3: that Big Tobacco is willing to spend to make you
Speaker 3: buy their products and to make you not consider their competition,
Speaker 3: which is vaping, it makes perfect sense that they have
Speaker 3: pulled out all of the stops. It's just it's mind
Speaker 3: blowing to see how things have traversed time.
Speaker 2: So the next time you hear we're doing this for
Speaker 2: your health, remember the same people saying that they are
Speaker 2: fine with selling cigarettes, pesticide, lace, food, toxic tap water,
Speaker 2: and NonStop mental poison in the media. The vape ban
Speaker 2: isn't about saving lives. It's about keeping control, keeping money flowing,
Speaker 2: and making sure your choices only exist inside their marketplace.
Speaker 2: The real danger isn't your vape, it's in the system
Speaker 2: that it tells you what you can and can't do
Speaker 2: while cashing in on both sides. And until people see that,
Speaker 2: they'll keep falling for the same play. That's all we
Speaker 2: got for today. So hopefully it shed a little bit
Speaker 2: of light on people with smoking and vaping. And to
Speaker 2: be honest, this might be more of a call for
Speaker 2: if you're still smoking cigarettes, change the vaping.
Speaker 3: Well if you can. They're making it more and more
Speaker 3: outlawed by the day. So if you can go get
Speaker 3: your hands on a vape, I suggest you do that
Speaker 3: that rather than buy another pack of cigarettes.
Speaker 2: That's you know, this is just another episode of follow
Speaker 2: the money and see what their real intentions are. I
Speaker 2: think we found out what the real intentions are. They
Speaker 2: don't care about your health, they care about their pocketbook.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, uh, hopefully somebody or you know, y'all
Speaker 2: learned a little something on this show, because this is
Speaker 2: something that I've I've honestly, I thought about doing this
Speaker 2: show for years and I kind of put it off
Speaker 2: because I was scared of what I might find. But
Speaker 2: then I was like, you know what, dude, let me
Speaker 2: just fucking figure this out because it is worse. Then
Speaker 2: that'll be more more so a reason for me to
Speaker 2: want to quit, you know what I mean? Like that
Speaker 2: was that was my mindset. It was either I'm either
Speaker 2: gonna prove that these are safer than cigarettes or I'm
Speaker 2: gonna quit. Those are the only two options, right, And
Speaker 2: I'm still going to quit eventually. But yeah, all of
Speaker 2: the propaganda saying that they're worse than cigarettes, wrong goo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely gonna be quitting this here
Speaker 3: in the next few months, realistic. I just started working
Speaker 3: out again this week, like actually giving a fuck about
Speaker 3: working out this week. My cardio is so trash that, yeah,
Speaker 3: I am going to be quitting vaping for sure. But
Speaker 3: that being said, I'm certainly never I and for years now,
Speaker 3: I have never considered going back to smoking cigarettes. That
Speaker 3: was never a part of the conversation. If anything, I
Speaker 3: go back to chewing like real shit, But no.
Speaker 2: I feel that. So, I mean, if nothing else, then
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