WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:02.720 Do you want to be an americanity? 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:06.519 Scott Sloan in recovery. 3 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:12.960 From shoulder surgery, he said he was fine until the 4 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:17.280 nerve block wore off, and then all bets were off, 5 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:21.559 and so here I am in his stead. Gary Jeff 6 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:26.640 Walker on seven hundred WLW, we start this morning show 7 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:29.879 with one of my favorite guests all time. He was 8 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:35.679 an editor and a columnist for the Cincinnati Inquirer for years, 9 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:39.880 the Tucson Citizen before that, and then he formed Chili 10 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:45.039 Dog Press, and through that outlet he has written and 11 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:50.679 published great books about local history, including not in our Town, 12 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.079 as I like to say, from organized Crime and Forbidden 13 00:00:55.119 --> 00:01:02.679 Fruit to organized Crime in Not in Our Town, The 14 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:06.840 Man who Saved Cincinnati, about the Civil War. It's our 15 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.319 conversation with Peter Brunson. How you doing. 16 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:11.439 I'm here and I'm glad to be here with you. 17 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:13.159 Gary Jeff. We always have a good time. 18 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:16.640 New book is Promised Land, How the Midwest was one, 19 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:22.439 and it's talking about everything right here in the Cincinnati 20 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:28.159 area in its very origins, the beginnings of the founding 21 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:33.599 of you know, towns and absolutely settlements, the very first 22 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.599 people who moved to Cincinnati when this was a danger 23 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.760 zone unlike any other called the Miami slaughter House because 24 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.680 of the attacks by the Shawnee and Miami Indian tribes 25 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:50.000 were so vicious and so brutal. 26 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.319 These people risked everything to come and settle Cincinnati, and 27 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:56.120 their lives were unbelievable. 28 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.319 They were some fantastic people. 29 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:03.439 So telling me that the indigenous peoples who inhabited this 30 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:07.239 particular piece of the continent at the time were not 31 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:13.400 necessarily peaceful of fellow human being, loving kind of folks 32 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:16.800 that you know that the Indian may have had a 33 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:20.120 tear in his eye, but that's maybe just blood spattered 34 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:25.319 from the person that he just took care of. These wonderful, 35 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.000 conserving and thoughtful human beings who were run over by 36 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:30.879 the white settler. 37 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:32.879 Those people, they. 38 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.680 Were very brutal, not only to the settlers, but they 39 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.879 had been brutal to each other for centuries before that. Yes, 40 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:43.879 and you have to also throw in the wild card here, 41 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.879 which is that the British were inciting a lot of 42 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:50.240 this violence because they had lost the Revolutionary War and 43 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.080 they were not happy about that. So at their ford 44 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.000 in Detroit, they paid the Indians one hundred dollars for 45 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:01.280 live hostages and fifty dollars for each scalp. So they 46 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:06.879 were just a lot like terrorism today. They were incentivizing 47 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:10.719 these terrorists, these Indians, to go ahead and take scalps 48 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:14.159 as many as they could get and hostages, especially women 49 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:14.800 and children. 50 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.719 So it's the same thing as say George Soros using 51 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.719 uninformed college students as a foil. 52 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.599 Yeah, Or the way that suicide bombers in the Middle 53 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:29.680 East are paid by Hamas and these other terrorist organizations 54 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:33.680 ISAs same thing. Only this goes all the way back 55 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:37.159 to the seventeen eighties and seventeen nineties. And I was 56 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.199 really fascinated by the research because I always knew about 57 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.199 the scalping. I always knew that it was dangerous, I 58 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:48.599 had no idea how dangerous. How many people were taken, tortured, killed, 59 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:54.360 and the degree of violence, the barbarity of it is 60 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:58.360 really breathtaking. Now, there was violence on both sides. A 61 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.360 lot of the whites also scalped because. 62 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:03.879 But they were also very fine people on both sides, 63 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.360 right people, I don't know. 64 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:10.560 I don't know if I'd go that far. There were, 65 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:14.280 no doubt, some good people on both sides. But what 66 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:20.120 the thing is the white people did scalp Indians. 67 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.000 But they did not win in Rome. 68 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.000 Yes, they did not take captives and torture them for 69 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:31.000 days at a time. That's what really separated this is 70 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:35.000 that the ritual torture of their captives became a big 71 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:38.480 entertainment for the tribes, where the whole tribe would turn 72 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.319 out and enjoy this and participate. 73 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.800 That kind of thing is really shocking. 74 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.279 You'll see the occasional historical marker in northern Kentucky and 75 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:53.240 around Greater Cincinnati. I think the one in Newport says 76 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.040 founded in it's seventeen eighty eight ers. 77 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:01.040 Yes, yeah, northern Kentucky was settled first, right, and that's 78 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:04.839 because the Ohio River marked the boundary at which the 79 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.720 Shawnee and Miami said you shall not enter or enter 80 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.680 at your own risk, because that was their territory. Kentucky 81 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.639 was considered a neutral kind of honting ground that was 82 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:19.839 shared by all the tribes. So although they they they 83 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:23.560 called him depredations, which were the attacks they had as 84 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:27.720 many depredations in some ways more in northern Kentucky and 85 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.800 as far south as Lexington. When Boone and Simon Kenton 86 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:37.879 settled Kentucky and blazed that path. But it was the 87 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:41.839 Revolutionary War veterans who came to Ohio and they were 88 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.920 first to step on the northern bank and set up 89 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:49.360 what they called stations, which were forts like Fort Washington. 90 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.360 And they were the first ones to do that, and 91 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:53.639 void did they pay a price. 92 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:58.319 Well, we know that Cincinnati was. 93 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:05.399 A spot during our Civil War, yes, where slaves could 94 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:10.639 come across from slave territory to free territory, the front 95 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.199 door to freedom, front order freedom. And you've written about 96 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:17.560 that extensively in the past. But in this book and 97 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:20.879 Promised Land, How the Midwest was won by Peter Bronson, 98 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.279 you talk about a national conspiracy to create a slave 99 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.800 empire that was born in Cincinnati. This is a fantastic chapter. 100 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.439 It was a guy named George Washington Bickley, and he 101 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:37.160 founded an organization called the Knights of the Golden Circle. 102 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:40.079 Now I only touched on that in The Man who 103 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:43.879 Saved Cincinnati and mentioned it, but I was fascinated by it, 104 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:48.639 so I dug deeper. And this was a tremendously large organization. 105 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.160 They had chapters in Illinois, Indiana, New York City, New York, 106 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.480 State of New York, California, Texas, all throughout the South, 107 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.160 and their chapters could have as many ten thousand people 108 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:02.360 in these states. 109 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:04.160 Ohio had a huge chapter. 110 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.959 Cincinnati was well represented in the Knights of the Golden Circle. 111 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.279 And it was a secret society whose goal it was 112 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.600 to create a slave empire that would encompass all the 113 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.000 southern states of the Confederacy and then extend into Central 114 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:21.680 and South. 115 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.160 America and Cuba. Wow. 116 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.600 And this slave empire was meant to be as prosperous 117 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.360 and powerful as North America, so that they would set 118 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:37.360 up a country, a region that would rival the North 119 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:40.879 and have as much political power and military power so 120 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.560 they could protect their slave empire. And it was it 121 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:51.360 was quite a conspiracy. They also plotted to kill Abraham Lincoln. Well, 122 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:55.639 I mean that's probably not surprising, you know. In the 123 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.639 same respect, well, it is. 124 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:06.759 Almost constonable to think of the two attempts be they 125 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:12.480 failed on President Trump during this campaign. That very much 126 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:17.920 mirrors I think the sentiments of a divided nation that 127 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.600 we were facing in eighteen sixty with the election of 128 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.720 Abraham Lincoln. And it gives me worry and gives me 129 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:29.519 pause to think about what the other side is going 130 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:33.639 to do. Should Donald Trump win the election next week. 131 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.559 I don't worry about whether Donald Trump accepts the results 132 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.200 of the election. I'm more concerned with whether the left 133 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:46.039 accepts the results of an election if they don't win, 134 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.559 because they are seemingly a win at all cost. 135 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:53.440 Crew and I agree, there's a lot of concern and 136 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:56.399 a lot of people have brought up this comparison of 137 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:02.120 the Civil War Antebellum Antebellum era which was proceeding leading 138 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.960 up to the Civil War, and how divided we were. 139 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.919 I'm telling you, Gary, Jeff, there were so many parallels 140 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.879 when I researched these books. In eighteen sixty, Lincoln was 141 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.799 so unpopular that in Kentucky, where he was born, he 142 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.279 only received one percent of the vote. He was stricken 143 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.879 from the ballot in eleven states. Remember they tried to 144 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.480 do that with Trump exactly. People began threatening him even 145 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:31.080 before he took office. In fact, there was a threat 146 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:36.120 an attempt to assassinate him in Cincinnati in eighteen sixty 147 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.360 when he was on his way to his inauguration. And 148 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.080 this is very similar to what we're seeing today. This 149 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.840 was a nation so divided, we had violence breaking out 150 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:50.360 all across the country. We had bloodshed. We had brother 151 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.159 against brother, family against family, and this was all leading 152 00:09:54.279 --> 00:10:00.639 up to the Civil War. We had a governm that 153 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:05.720 suspended basic civil rights, that suppressed the right of free speech. 154 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:07.480 Free speech was extremely dangerous. 155 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.639 If you went on Fountain Square in Cincinnati and gave 156 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:14.759 a speech about abolition, you could be stoned. If you 157 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.440 gave a speech about secession, you could be shot. 158 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:19.240 These are the things that. 159 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:23.799 Happened in those days that we can say, hmm, that 160 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:25.440 sounds very familiar. 161 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.600 It also sounds like areas that we do not need 162 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.639 to venture back into as a country, but have sadly 163 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.399 just in the era of Donald Trump. And I don't 164 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:41.279 blame the president for that. I blame the just, the 165 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:47.960 violent and unforgiving left for that rhetoric and the Trump 166 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.279 derangement syndrome that does not have a valid leg to 167 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:55.080 stand on. No matter what people on the left have said, well, 168 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.600 of course I have Trump derangement syndrome. Any sane person 169 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:00.399 would Yes, I saw that, thank you. 170 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.159 That is like a confession, like, yes, I'm a Trump 171 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:06.639 arrangement syndrome person. 172 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:10.000 My name is I can't help myself. Like it's like 173 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:10.960 an AA meeting. 174 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.039 Yes for polydios my wife calls him politio idiots. 175 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.360 So back to the Promised Land. 176 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.240 How the Midwest was one Peter Brons and our guest, 177 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:25.480 the mysterious mound builders you're talking about, and this is 178 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.200 going back even beyond the Miami and the Shawnee. 179 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.639 Absolutely, these would be the ancestors of the Indian tribes 180 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:36.159 that we're familiar with. And the mound builders culture was 181 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:41.039 existing as far as thirteen thousand years ago. But the 182 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:45.519 mounds we can trace to about three thousand years ago. Okay, 183 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:49.039 and it's amazing, but we don't even most of us 184 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.879 don't know this history right in our backyard, but in 185 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:56.279 all of our communities Indian Hill, Terrace Park, Marymont, Milford, 186 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.399 right down to downtown Cincinnati. These mounds existed when these 187 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:05.639 settlers arrived. They were huge. Many of them were amazingly 188 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:11.240 designed to almost unbelievable exact specifications. They'd have perfect circles 189 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.919 that were half a mile across. They had these incredible 190 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.279 mounds and earthworks that they didn't have modern engineering tools, 191 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.399 they didn't have any of the equipment were accustomed to, 192 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:27.159 and yet they built these incredibles like the Serpent Mound. Yeah, exactly, 193 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.759 And so I got into researching who were these people 194 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.639 and what were they all about. Well, what we can 195 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.399 figure out is that they worshiped serpents. We can tell that, uh, 196 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.799 they engaged in human sacrifice. We found that out from 197 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:47.639 the excavations n people. Yeah, many of the sacrifices were 198 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:52.360 young women and children and mass graves. They may have 199 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.799 they probably it's almost certain that they engaged in cannibalism 200 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.440 of eating their victims and their prisoners and their enemies. 201 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.600 And we can tell this from the way that you'll 202 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.960 find bones near fires, evidence of fires, and the bones 203 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:12.399 show evidence of being scraped and used as a meal. 204 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.240 You know, cannibals know how good people really are. 205 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:22.759 So these are the ancestors of these vicious tribes. And 206 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.720 some of that stuff hangs over you can see it. 207 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:34.840 The torture, the entertainment of torturing victims who are their enemies. 208 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.679 So that kind of brutality still existed. Well, I mean, 209 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.759 you didn't have Netflix. You needed something to right everybody. 210 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.519 Let's get together. We got a new prisoner, who's got 211 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:49.279 any ideas. 212 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.240 Come on by the hut. We're gonna do some torture 213 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:53.639 to It'll be a blast. 214 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:54.360 Oh man. 215 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:56.120 Also in the Promised Land. 216 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:02.080 You write about Cincinnati's twin sisters, who say Texas, Yes. 217 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:06.480 How did twin sisters from Cincinnati saved Texas? 218 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:12.519 Another amazing forgotten chapter in Cincinnati history. So in eighteen 219 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:16.519 thirty six, Texas was fighting for its life against Santa 220 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.679 Ana and the Mexican army. We all know the story 221 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:23.000 of the Alamo. We may not know the story of Goliad, 222 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:26.840 which was as bad or worse, where hundreds of Texians 223 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:31.679 they call them Texians because they were Mexicans Mexico. Mexico 224 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:35.240 owned Texas territory at that time and it was a 225 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:42.080 province of Mexico, so they were Texians meaning Mexicans Texans 226 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:46.600 and hundreds of those guys who fought Mexico were taken 227 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.639 prisoner at Goliad and marched out under the pretense of 228 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.080 gathering wood and executed. 229 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.399 This was when people say remember the Alamo. 230 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.919 Back in those days, they would say remember the Alamo, 231 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:03.159 or they would say rem Goliad. So Texas was struggling. 232 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.240 They were being defeated by Santa Anna. He had thousands 233 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:10.559 against their hundreds, and he was marching through Texas taking 234 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:11.600 no prisoners. 235 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.159 He was a brutal brutal guy. 236 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:20.480 So at this time Texas sent their ambassador an amazing name. 237 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:23.960 He can't make this up. His name was Picky Un Smith. 238 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:29.039 Picky Un Smith, Yes, I remember Picky Un Smith back 239 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:31.840 in the fall of fifty four, and they were all 240 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:33.240 gathered around the fire. 241 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.879 Picky Un Smith. What a great name name. 242 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.600 So he comes up, and he sent to Cincinnati, which 243 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:42.480 was then a huge city. It was the westernmost city 244 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:46.240 in the US that was as powerful as it was. 245 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.679 And he sent to Cincinnati, and he comes and he 246 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:54.279 tells these leading families of Cincinnati who were all descended 247 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.399 from these same settlers who had fought for their liberty 248 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:02.879 and independence in Ohio to Frio from oppression of the 249 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.200 British and the Indians. And he comes and tells them 250 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.879 what's going on in Texas well. Contrary to the National 251 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:17.600 Neutrality Act, even our local congressmen participated in a conspiracy 252 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.440 that was illegal that they could have lost everything and 253 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.879 been sent to prison. They participated in a conspiracy to 254 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:31.399 raise arms for Texas, which was in effect was buying 255 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:36.840 cannons that they named the Twin Sisters. Texas had no cannons, 256 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:39.519 and they bought these two cannons they forged them right 257 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:41.879 here in Cincinnati. They put them on a boat and 258 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:43.480 took them all the way down to New Orleans and 259 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:47.720 then shipped them over to Texas. And these cannons saved 260 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.720 Texas at the Battle of Sanya Sinto at Sanya Sinto. 261 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:56.799 Without those cannons, Texas independence would not even have existed. 262 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.720 And it's very possible that a lot of Texas, as 263 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.559 we know know what today would probably be part of Mexico, 264 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.559 still be part of Mexico if not for Cincinnati. 265 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.400 Our conversation with Peter Bronson. 266 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:14.000 More ahead on seven hundred WLW, Gary Jeff and for 267 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:20.039 Scott's Loan today on this Monday morning, eight days away 268 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:27.799 from election day, Our conversation with Peter Bronson part uh 269 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.559 here on seven hundred WLW. And great to have you 270 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.599 in the studio. I know you like being in the studio. 271 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.599 I love having guests in the studio too, because you 272 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.880 get the you get the eye to eye contact. 273 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.599 Yes, it's so much better, and it's it's just more 274 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:44.440 natural and more fun than being on the phone. 275 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.359 Plus, the phone is always kind of awkward. 276 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.000 You can't see people's facial expressions on the phone. 277 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:50.880 You can't. 278 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.200 I can't read when you're trying to tell me to 279 00:17:54.240 --> 00:18:00.400 shut up exactly exactly, but there are some physical cues 280 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.039 that you can see. 281 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:05.759 Oh no, i'd go that far. 282 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.079 We're talking a little bit about as we are eight 283 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:16.440 days away from the election, nerd uh, about some of 284 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:20.799 the parallels I see in my life with candidate Kamala 285 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:27.119 and her. I'm surprised at it. Well, I was much younger. 286 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:32.559 I probably was smoking pot, and I didn't care much 287 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:38.440 about whatever paper I had to finish, just thinking that, 288 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.720 you know what, I'm smart enough that I can just 289 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.240 baffle them with my bs and I'll be fine, and 290 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.000 I'll just cruise along, even though I didn't prepare and 291 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.000 I didn't do the work till the very last minute 292 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:52.279 in a rush, or didn't study for that test. 293 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:54.079 Yeah, I think I know that feeling. 294 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:58.680 And I had a history teacher named mister Jones, and 295 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.960 my junior year in school American history. Mister Jones was 296 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.440 kind of a hard ass. Those are the best teachers usually, 297 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.119 and he was. He did wind up being one of 298 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:10.519 my favorite teachers. 299 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:12.880 Yeah, and the ones that want to be your friend, 300 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.400 we don't remember those, do we. No, we remember the 301 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.480 ones who said I'm going to be your teacher. 302 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.839 Right, and you really need to learn the material or 303 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.279 you're not going to pass this class exactly. And I 304 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.839 remember turning in a paper I forget what it was 305 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.680 on because I really didn't study or do any leg 306 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:35.119 work on it, and turned in a paper that I 307 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.640 rushed through at the last minute. It was all the 308 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.839 word salad cities you see from Kamala Harris in every interview. 309 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:46.400 Just string together. It's many words with big syllables. It's right, more, 310 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:50.079 the more multi syllabic, the better. Get the ten dollars 311 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:50.680 word book. 312 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:56.599 And don't say anything of any substance whatsoever in this 313 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:01.799 long string of YadA, YadA YadA. And and I thought 314 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.240 it was at least b material because I worked. I 315 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:06.559 had a lot of ten dollars words in it, uh 316 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.559 huh in the paper and the syntax was perfect. 317 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:15.279 I mean, you know, my grammar was good. Huh. But 318 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.200 it didn't say anything about the subject. I said nothing 319 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:20.079 of any substance. 320 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.880 And I wound up getting I just barely got a 321 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.079 d oh my gosh on the paper. And I learned 322 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:31.599 my lesson from that point to not, you know, engage 323 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:35.480 myself in conversations. If I've got no knowledge of the 324 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.480 subject matter and she does it on a regular basis, 325 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:43.799 Oh boy, absolutely, you were talking about either JD. Vance 326 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:49.440 or Elon Musk said this about a Kamala Harris campaign slogan, 327 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.359 and let's go ahead and hear it from Kamala herself. 328 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:58.839 If you don't mind, well, if anything, that's not it 329 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.359 what you have done something differently than President Biden during 330 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.079 the past four years. 331 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.160 There is done a thing that comes to mind that 332 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.319 should be her, that should be her campaign slogan. 333 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.200 Yeah, I'd like a bumper sticker Kamala Harris. Not a 334 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:14.240 thing comes to mind. 335 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:22.640 So I mean outside of our obvious partisanship for willing 336 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:28.319 the country to remain a free republic and not supporting 337 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.160 Kamala Harris. Your thoughts as we get here to this 338 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:35.640 last moment. Point, of course, early voting has been going 339 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.279 on in Ohio for a while. It starts in the 340 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:44.160 Commonwealth of Kentucky where I live on Thursday, and I 341 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:45.759 am still an election day voter. 342 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.039 Did you vote already? I have voted already. 343 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:51.839 I always do absentee ballot, okay, and I like to 344 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:52.920 get it done quickly. 345 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:54.279 I do all my research. 346 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.839 I go on the web and look up everybody. 347 00:21:58.519 --> 00:21:58.720 You know. 348 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.519 I'm optimistic, but I will not believe it till I 349 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:06.640 see it, because there's just so many ways that optimistic 350 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:10.200 about the President Trump regaining that we're going to get 351 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.799 a new office, as the other side might put it, 352 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:14.000 we're going to get a new direction. 353 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:16.519 They promised a new direction. 354 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:18.880 Well really they're promising more of the same, which is 355 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:26.160 high inflation, open borders, terribly weak foreign policy, incompetence. I mean, look, 356 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.480 this is the party that gave us a mentally incompetent 357 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:34.640 president for four years and totally lied about it every 358 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.480 day for four years, with the willing complicity of the 359 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:41.559 media to tell us and the vice president and the 360 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:44.039 vice president to tell us he was sharp as attack. 361 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:49.440 And then when they finally couldn't sustain that fraud any further, 362 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.240 then they pulled a bait and switch and pushed in 363 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.200 a candidate who has not received a single vote. And 364 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:00.160 then they turn around and talk about the Republicans being 365 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:05.720 anti democracy? Can there be anything less democratic than that? 366 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:10.680 They ought to be called the hypocritic party, not the 367 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.799 democratic party, because they always do what they're accusing Republicans 368 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:18.279 of every every single time. 369 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:19.799 The projection is unbelievable. 370 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.119 Psychologists would have a they could hold a whole year's 371 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:27.200 conference on the projection of one political party. But where 372 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:31.279 I am now, I think is besides being optimistic, I'm 373 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:35.519 sort of at the point where fatigue with the rhetoric, 374 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:37.559 fatigue with the reckless rhetoric. 375 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:38.640 Everybody's tired. 376 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.160 I mean, we've got a party that has now resorted 377 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.440 to dropping the atomic bomb of political campaigns by labeling 378 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:46.640 their opponent hitler. 379 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.200 This is just absolutely. 380 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.440 Something that it's something that they do every four years 381 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:53.960 when they're running against the Republic. They did it to Reagan. 382 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.359 They said he was going to start World War three 383 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:59.799 nuclear war. This is you know, this is this is 384 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:02.519 a man who was a totalitarian, who's going to be 385 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.279 a tyrant, Yeah, a. 386 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:05.160 Tired old king. 387 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:07.559 Well, apparently I forgot to do that the first four 388 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:09.079 years exactly. 389 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:09.400 No. 390 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:11.880 But they did it with Reagan, they did it with Romney, 391 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:12.839 they did it with McCain. 392 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:17.480 I know, they're all hitler. It's at the last ditch moment, isn't. 393 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.640 This like though, It's like something that you do when 394 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.200 you're losing an argument with your spouse and you're both screaming, 395 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:25.640 and then something comes out of your mouth that you 396 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.680 regret for the rest of your life, and you turner 397 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:31.160 and you say you're Hitler. You know, it's like this 398 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:35.960 is it's so stupid and infantile and reckless. Because there 399 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.480 are people out there, Garry Jeffy, we know this, and 400 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:43.839 we've seen twice examples that there are lunatics out there 401 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:46.599