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<v Speaker 1>Morning. The following contest contains graphic content and material intended

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<v Speaker 1>for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, what's up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>A true crime podcast, And just like that, we're here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here, and Ben's voice might be a little bit aspect.

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<v Speaker 2>We were struck.

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<v Speaker 1>We was struck by lightning called COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you you so far?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I tested positive for COVID today, So that sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>That super sucks. It was like my life going on

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<v Speaker 2>to get the shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this entire pandemic. You and I both made it

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<v Speaker 1>without getting COVID so far until I had to go

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<v Speaker 1>on a work trip down to Vancouver and I come

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<v Speaker 1>home with the corona.

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<v Speaker 2>I might still be safe, though. You might be crossings.

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<v Speaker 1>You may be. I just kind of feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>have a cold, so a little bit coffee, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>raspy sounding, a little tired, very tired, I'd say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fair enough. But other than that, like I'm not any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of crazy fever, nothing like that, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>just seems like a cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is really good. Yeah, half of our house

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<v Speaker 2>is sick. You and Ripley. Ripley has an ear and

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<v Speaker 2>Ripley has a nasty ear infection.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so that's our house.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically a containment unit right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In a tiny home. So the rest of us are doomed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you are doomed. You're gonna get sick. You fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I'm trying the whole positive thinking thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That knock on wood doesn't usually work.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, but I'm trying it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll keep those hopes up. I'm sure I'm rooting for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rooting for you, Mika and Kiwi.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, every time you were breathing in my face, Lass

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, can you turn over, don't breathe them.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, Ice, don't breathe them up Ice. Maybe Ripley and

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<v Speaker 1>I will take our sick asses and just curl up

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<v Speaker 1>on the coach together cuddle all night.

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<v Speaker 2>You would love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that dog does some amazing cuddles.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a very good snuggler.

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<v Speaker 1>She snuggles like a motherfucker, And you can quote me.

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<v Speaker 2>On that she does. You'll have to pose a photo.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we also have like a ton of patrons

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<v Speaker 2>to think we do like holy Moley. I'm so shocked

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<v Speaker 2>and so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>And with my terrible cold voice, I am going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to not mispronounce any of your names, but again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna happen, and we are so sorry, but still

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<v Speaker 1>we love y'all. Just the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Pronounce the first one wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Pronounce the first one wrong, just kidding, Poochie there pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>I pronounced the first one wrong, very wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you say, even, poo Hai. I was just kidding,

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<v Speaker 2>like you wouldn't be able to you know, how to

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<v Speaker 2>say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the first one. Your name is little pouchy. If

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<v Speaker 1>that is your legal name, that is amazing. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to assume it's not, but little Poochie. Thank you very

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<v Speaker 1>much for signing up for Patreon. We appreciate it. We

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<v Speaker 1>also have sky red red with two d's dope. Love

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<v Speaker 1>that okay, yeah, Donella Girodo.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love that first name.

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<v Speaker 1>Dunnella, Like that's really dope. It's like it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>feminine version of Donalatello. Not saying like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be feminine to have that name, but you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like French.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just like a beautiful name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. One hundred percent. We also have a

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<v Speaker 1>Connie Anderson, we have Mandy Mattson, we have Amber Bagley.

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<v Speaker 1>William Warden. That name right there just screams authority Warden.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, motherfucker, William Warden is in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, actually, it really does.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like when you hear that name, you better fucking

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<v Speaker 1>buckle up. But like, seriously, get your bootstraps in line here.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have Laney Landeros and Josie Christine. I really

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<v Speaker 1>hope I said you guys' names right. We seriously appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for signing up for Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. Like when I look to see how

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<v Speaker 2>many names you had as blown away, that is so incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think we're up to a total of

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<v Speaker 1>what what do we have on patriots.

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<v Speaker 2>For I think it said one hundred and twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have one hundred and twenty amazing people support

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<v Speaker 1>us over on Patreon, So thank you very much. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to join over on the group, the amazing

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<v Speaker 1>group there of those awesome people. Link for Patreon is

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<v Speaker 1>just down on the description of this podcast the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find it there.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you all. Thank you so much. What else

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<v Speaker 1>do we got to drop bombs on today? We got

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<v Speaker 1>some merch coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you posted on instead, didn't you. I did the

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<v Speaker 2>one of the new designs.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Insto and Facebook because they're linked, right right right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did up a design today because we realized,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, our merch is we love some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff we have for merch, but we have like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of black and white just kind of stagnant stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Is fitting, Oh yeah, totally love it, but we just

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<v Speaker 1>want that variety that's spice a life for you all

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<v Speaker 1>out there. So we're going to be launching three new

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<v Speaker 1>designs here, probably by next week because I'm sick with

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<v Speaker 1>COVID and I can sit at home and maybe get

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<v Speaker 1>some designs done up.

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<v Speaker 2>You have some extra time on your hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, So we're going to do some color designs. Dropped

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<v Speaker 1>one today. It's a skeleton. It's all like nineties colors

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<v Speaker 1>and shit, that's very cool and yeah, it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So go check it out, and you can check out

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the merch to follow. We'll post them

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<v Speaker 1>all on our social media's and of course you can

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<v Speaker 1>go buy Dope T shirt or something or sticker slap

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<v Speaker 1>it on somewhere and tell people, hey, listen to this

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<v Speaker 1>dope podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the nineties colors same like you're just so

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<v Speaker 2>actually nineties everything is just so fun. What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>That's true? I think that was right where we started,

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<v Speaker 1>like the seat belt era sort of thing, as I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to say it, like where everyone needs to

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<v Speaker 1>like the safetiness, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Because like, would we be considered ninety nineties kids?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, or do you have to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Born in the nineties. No, we're because we were born

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighties and then we grew up in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, yeah, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Were born in nineteen eighty eight, so we were definitely

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<v Speaker 1>nineties kids. How old were you in the nineties A kid?

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<v Speaker 2>I was growing up, but I didn't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>had to be considered born in that. I don't think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we can never be considered eighties kids, because that's like

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>In the eies. Yeah, we were at oldest two in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties, so we were definitely nineties babies, nineties kids,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to say, Well, yes, not.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think the nineties were words at where it

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<v Speaker 2>was at like so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I had so much awesome stuff like moonshoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, yeah, my goodness, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Might snap your ankle, but you're also going to be

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<v Speaker 1>jumping super fucking high and you're gonna look dope as

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<v Speaker 1>fuck doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh And I just even remember like all your the

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<v Speaker 2>cassettes that you had right like because you were listening

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<v Speaker 2>to tapes and stuff. They're just like sobrightly colored and

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<v Speaker 2>so cool and just I don't know, everything was wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>I never had bright colored cassettes. I had like like

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<v Speaker 1>the pack of blank cassettes my parents would buy, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I just record songs up the radio. I would

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<v Speaker 1>go to like the call in request line, request my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite song, and sit there and wait, and as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as it started playing, hit record and record my song.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, you were legit.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I was legit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to look up that one. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>oh Lisa Frank. I don't know if anyone remembers that

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa Frank. It was like stationary that was just like

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<v Speaker 2>so brightly colored. Do you recognize that I lived for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Shit?

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<v Speaker 2>That basically sums me up as a nineties kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if anyone else here remembers Lisa Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>But Pokemon and game Boy. That sums me up as

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<v Speaker 1>a nineties kid. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what else we got is that everything?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we get down into.

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<v Speaker 2>This, I feel like that's everything. Yeah, I'm ready, Okay, Ready.

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<v Speaker 1>We thanked her patrons, We talked about the merch. Let

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<v Speaker 1>everyone know that I have COVID so you can all

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<v Speaker 1>send me sympathy.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy heck, Oh you're funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's it. That's all we got to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to go into this case. Now you're ready

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<v Speaker 1>for it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm very much so, am.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's dive into the case of swift render, the when

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<v Speaker 1>to Go psychosis case.

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<v Speaker 2>M I know absolutely nothing about any of this, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm intrigued.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, do you know what a when to go is?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>You have no idea?

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<v Speaker 2>What is that embarrassing? Should I know what it is?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Not necessarily. It's more of a cryptid sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, we'll get all into it. Let's just start

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<v Speaker 1>off here. Okay. So hunger a natural feeling, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>puts your body into a basic survival mode. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>pushed far enough, it will seek nourishment above all other

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<v Speaker 1>reason in search of satisfaction. The solution is easy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, But what if you can't satisfy your hunger

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how you indulge your craving effect. What if

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<v Speaker 1>that craving is that of human flesh. The Algonquin indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>relates this hunger or flesh craving to a spiritual being

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<v Speaker 1>known as a when to go, and their lore does

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<v Speaker 1>describe a creature as a giant with a heart of ice.

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<v Speaker 1>Its body is skeletal and deformed, with missing lips and

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<v Speaker 1>toes that caused them to have deep hunger for human flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a when to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't love it, don't love that, don't love it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's that's that's a big old nope.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'll pass.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll pass. No. Thanks on the wind to go past

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<v Speaker 1>the salt.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's me move on something else and the butter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe some gravy down this end of the table. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's a wind to go. Now into this

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<v Speaker 1>case of a swift runner. Kakisi Kuchin was born in

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<v Speaker 1>the province of Alberta or what would later be called Alberta,

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<v Speaker 1>and lived in the wild country north of Fort Edmonton.

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<v Speaker 1>as such. He was a large man six foot three,

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<v Speaker 1>and very fond of all his children. On top of

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, All these qualities made swift Runner a seriously

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<v Speaker 1>in the Hudson Bay Company alike, So much that he

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<v Speaker 2>Jason another pop qu this.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't here, full marks, full marks.

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<v Speaker 2>He sounds like a dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, definitely good dude. But quick side note, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the teacher after class. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, this and the pre show that is going

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<v Speaker 1>With you what?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to run for the hills?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Thanks? You know your husband's putting the moves on

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<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna run. I love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I love you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, with this topic alone, like it's it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a large shameful topic for Canadian history. Oh wow, I

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, it's a large shameful topic in Canadian history

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<v Speaker 1>because swift Runner would later develop a taste for whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>And this topic is something that's still being felt today

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<v Speaker 1>within Aboriginal communities. Extremely unfortunate, but that is where we

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<v Speaker 1>are at today. Studies are still being conducted, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we will ever fully be able to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the effects of the introduction of alcohol like whiskey and

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<v Speaker 1>would it had on the indigenous people. Now, alcohol was

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<v Speaker 1>seen as very profitable for trade. It was a very

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<v Speaker 1>profitable trade item in the eyes of European settlers. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's such an abundance. They created addictions and

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<v Speaker 1>problems for those who were consuming it and who were

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<v Speaker 1>not used to it. Yep, and this was no different

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of swift Runner. The more he would drink,

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<v Speaker 1>the more it would seem to grab hold of him,

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<v Speaker 1>building the addiction that would literally only like basically just

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<v Speaker 1>swallow him whole, because he wasn't himself. When he drank,

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<v Speaker 1>he would become violent and rage filled. And a burly

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<v Speaker 1>six foot three man who grew up in the wild

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<v Speaker 1>become violent. No, definitely fucking not. I I would be

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<v Speaker 1>shitting my pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it is said that swift Runner didn't turn to

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<v Speaker 1>whiskey on his own to start with. He was beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to become less It was getting become less of an

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<v Speaker 1>for his family, which is what drove him to his

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<v Speaker 1>drink of choice, whiskey. However, much of the alcohol in

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<v Speaker 1>the area was actually being smegled in under the guise

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<v Speaker 1>of medicine, so it's not seriously yes, so it's scarcity

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<v Speaker 1>may have made it even more alluring to individuals suffering

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<v Speaker 1>from alcoholism like swift Brunner. But it was certainly something

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<v Speaker 1>that was because there was problems with it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>getting banned in areas like that. But of course they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't able to keep up with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly that's too bad. I mean that still happens to

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<v Speaker 2>this day. Oh definitely, people are using alcohol and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to cope with, cope with issues or that they're having

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<v Speaker 2>or not feeling I don't know, as good about themselves

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<v Speaker 2>or something that they're doing as they should right.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are Aboriginal bands that are trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>efforts in minimizing the effect because I know there are

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<v Speaker 1>areas where like on certain reservations, they don't allow alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>in the premises of those certain bands and everything. So

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<v Speaker 1>good on them for trying to take those steps.

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<v Speaker 2>That totally awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Now soon though, the violence surrounding swift Runner as he

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<v Speaker 1>continued to drink ran him out of a job of

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<v Speaker 1>guiding with the Northwest Mounted Police. The police would send

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<v Speaker 1>swift Runner back to his tribe, but instead of finding

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<v Speaker 1>a safe place where he could, you know, get better,

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<v Speaker 1>he continued to get worse because he just caused troubles

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the Cree I quote unquote turned

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<v Speaker 1>the Cree camps into little hells. He was actually and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually turned away from there as well, leaving little choice

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<v Speaker 1>but to retreat to the wilderness with his family.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was himself was turning the Cree camps into

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<v Speaker 2>little hells.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because of his drinking and rage filled fits and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just not doing good for his own community.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of, Yeah, it was getting bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It does seem like it's one sometimes one away the other. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like lots of you're just like super happy or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but then sometimes it can bring like evil kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know how alcohol is known as spirits. M Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason they call it spirits because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of tribes all over the world, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>look at alcohol as a way of like it's an

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<v Speaker 1>actual spirit possessing your So when you drink and you're drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>that's no longer you. It's a spirit possession. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>where the name spirits come from because.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that interesting little known fact of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Day for you, No kidding, I never heard that before,

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<v Speaker 1>did you, No?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I kind of thought it was something else like

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard before, not necessarily this is like truer in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, but that it brings out your true self sometimes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But then I don't know if I agree with that

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<v Speaker 2>being his true self.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So anyways, with nowhere to go, in the

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<v Speaker 1>winter of eighteen seventy eight, him, his wife, mother, brother,

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<v Speaker 1>and six children set out and weren't heard from until

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<v Speaker 1>the spring, when swift Runner staggered out of the woods

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<v Speaker 1>and into a nearby Catholic mission. Priests at the mission

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<v Speaker 1>brought swift Runner in and asked what had happened, and

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<v Speaker 1>swift Runner responded very simply. He told him exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. His entire family was dead. What yep. During

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<v Speaker 1>the winter, while he and his family were surviving the

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<v Speaker 1>cold and the harsh climates, their's food supplies ran dangerously low,

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<v Speaker 1>and their hunting had become less than successful. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually they weren't able to find any food. Slowly but surely,

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<v Speaker 1>his entire family began withering away, and eventually they all

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<v Speaker 1>died of starvation out in the cold forest, all except

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, who he said, committed suicide after they lost

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, could you imagine being in that situation?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds just like literal hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, literal hell yeah. It was the tragic story, clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>but a story the priests had a hard time believing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Swift Runner was a large, burly man when he

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<v Speaker 1>first left with his family and weighing around two hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>As he emerged, he certainly didn't seem like starvation was

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<v Speaker 1>something he had struggled with. In fact, he looked pretty healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just have a terrible feeling about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say, you don't want to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna keep thinking positively here.

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<v Speaker 1>Just keep positive thoughts, positive thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is positive thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, keep those positive thoughts flowing because you're gonna need them.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the story of a harsh winter and lack

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<v Speaker 1>of food supply killed basically everyone, then why was he

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<v Speaker 1>not affected? Why hadn't he succumbed to starvation? Not to

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<v Speaker 1>mention that there's plenty of other indigenous individuals in the

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<v Speaker 1>area that you know, we're emerging in the spring and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>who had a rather successful winter, no problems hunting or trapping.

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<v Speaker 1>The food sources were clearly there for everyone else, So

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<v Speaker 1>why was he having trouble hunting hunting? Why were they

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<v Speaker 1>lacking food? Why did they starve? This wasn't the only

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<v Speaker 1>strange thing that seemed to be going on. A swift

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<v Speaker 1>Runner was staying in the mission. He had consistent nightmares

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<v Speaker 1>and would wake up screaming at the top of his

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<v Speaker 1>lungs in the middle of the Knife Mountains. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine how terrifying that would be to wake up in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night to hear some dude just

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<v Speaker 1>fucking screaming. Yeah, yeah, I would shit myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I would be running again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nope, I'm out. I'm going to go sleep in

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<v Speaker 1>the bush.

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<v Speaker 2>That's terrible. Well, you think someone was like intruding.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something that's not normal? Sounds no kidding. Uh So

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking terrifying this of that situation aside. The final

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<v Speaker 1>straw that broke the Camel's back when swift was when

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<v Speaker 1>swift Runner tried to lead a group of children into

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<v Speaker 1>the woods with him. Holy heck, something was clearly up

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<v Speaker 1>and convinced that his family didn't actually starve and that

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<v Speaker 1>he killed his family instead. Priests went to authorities. He

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<v Speaker 1>was quickly put under arrest in regards to his missing

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<v Speaker 1>family members, and the police wanted to see for themselves

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<v Speaker 1>where he had stayed for the winter and investigate what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to his family, so they ordered him to lead

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do it. It's not gonna be a good scene.

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<v Speaker 1>No, what do you think? What are you expecting us

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<v Speaker 1>to come across at this scene? Let's hear it. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually, I think that there's probably gonna be nothing

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<v Speaker 2>there because I think he probably hid things or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there'd be bones. I feel like like he probably ate

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<v Speaker 2>his family. I hate saying that. Thanks for making me

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<v Speaker 2>say that, but that's what I think happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You think he ate his family?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, well doesn't that kind of what you said

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning?

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<v Speaker 1>Ish, Well, that's what when I make that up, I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about a when to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think that well, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>like if everyone's starved to death but he still looked

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<v Speaker 2>like he had eaten all winter, that just doesn't add up.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a big old red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there because if he's surviving and like has weighed

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<v Speaker 2>on and stuff, then why on earth was his family

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<v Speaker 2>not right? Yeah, so this is not a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a good scene.

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<v Speaker 1>You're definitely on the right track. Let's put it that

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<v Speaker 1>way right on. So at this point, though, there is

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<v Speaker 1>there is a couple of discrepancies in the story that

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be confirmed. Some sources say that swift Runner took

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<v Speaker 1>police directly to the site, while others say that he

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<v Speaker 1>kept trying to mislead them off the trail but finally

428
00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.839
<v Speaker 1>cooperated after becoming inebriated with whiskey. But the facts do

429
00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.759
<v Speaker 1>tell is for sure that they got there. Eventually, they

430
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.960
<v Speaker 1>got to the winter site, and the story is with

431
00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:54.680
<v Speaker 1>what swift Runner told we're clearly not true because the

432
00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:57.640
<v Speaker 1>findings were nothing short of terrifying.

433
00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it was things weren't hidden and stuff, And

434
00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:05.519
<v Speaker 2>were they using whiskey to get him to take them

435
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>where they wanted?

436
00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Who knows? Potentially? Oh I don't love that, Yeah, me either,

437
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.599
<v Speaker 1>But at least they got there. That's all we do

438
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.160
<v Speaker 1>know that. Like I said, there's discrepancies in that part

439
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.359
<v Speaker 1>of the story. There's no confirming if that was the case,

440
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.000
<v Speaker 1>but it may have been.

441
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, are you going to describe the scene to us?

442
00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, when they were arrived to the scene, they found

443
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:30.920
<v Speaker 1>remnants of like, you know, campfire, that sort of stuff,

444
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, people staying there. Okay, But they also found

445
00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:41.960
<v Speaker 1>bones scattered everywhere, human bones scattered everywhere. Some were broken

446
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.799
<v Speaker 1>in half in fact, and hollowed out, which could only

447
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:50.400
<v Speaker 1>mean one thing. They were being snapped open and someone

448
00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:55.440
<v Speaker 1>was sucking out the marrow from the inside.

449
00:23:55.759 --> 00:24:00.680
<v Speaker 2>No, yes, wow, ross.

450
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>They found the skull of swift Runner's mother with a

451
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.680
<v Speaker 1>small moccasin stuffed inside her skull. It had still it

452
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>still had the beating needle attached to it and sticking

453
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>out of the unfinished words.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, this is exactly what I didn't want

455
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:18.400
<v Speaker 2>to happen here.

456
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:23.759
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what is happening here, though, what you just expected,

457
00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.359
<v Speaker 1>like to go into the woods and find snow White

458
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and the seven dwarves just bacon applepies.

459
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:30.920
<v Speaker 2>That's literally on my brain works, and I have no

460
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.799
<v Speaker 2>idea some is why I'm doing this, and that I

461
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 2>still have that mindset in my brain. It's really weird.

462
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Maybe another one hundred episodes it will change.

463
00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.759
<v Speaker 1>We'll see maybe we'll see. We'll see, we'll discuss that.

464
00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:44.599
<v Speaker 2>When we get there our next anniversary. We'll see how

465
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:45.279
<v Speaker 2>it still is.

466
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>You'll probably still be expecting snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

467
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.960
<v Speaker 1>They came upon Sleeping Beauty, right, Prince Charming.

468
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:55.480
<v Speaker 2>That's not a terrible thing.

469
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.160
<v Speaker 1>No, definitely not. It's it's just, uh, we aren't not

470
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the world we live in, unfortunately, I know. Uh So

471
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 1>clearly their suspicions of a murder and b cannibalism were true,

472
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:13.119
<v Speaker 1>but they were one hundred percent confirmed the moment they

473
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>discovered a pot full of rendered human fat.

474
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, this is probably where why we need to

475
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>film more episodes sometimes because like the reactions, the reactions

476
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.119
<v Speaker 2>like you don't even know what the hell to say,

477
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:28.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's like your faces at all.

478
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fair. So this is the moment that swift

479
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Runner revealed what he said really happened. It was the

480
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.759
<v Speaker 1>wind to go Apparently here he started breaking down and

481
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 1>he told them he had been possessed by the evil

482
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>spirit and he was forced to kill and feast upon

483
00:25:50.759 --> 00:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>his own family. Dang, yeah, now, like I understand, it's

484
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly not hard to look at someone and be like, yeah,

485
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not taking this seriously. You were possessed and they

486
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>made you kill your family, Reallyboddy, Like, I totally get that.

487
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.079
<v Speaker 2>So killing your whole family, people wouldn't believe that, Rotaally.

488
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:23.759
<v Speaker 1>No, Like killing your whole family and blaming it on

489
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>a spirit like that sounds like a copp out. It

490
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:29.759
<v Speaker 1>clearly wasn't going to get him off the hook. Let's

491
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.079
<v Speaker 1>put it that. Let's just put it that way.

492
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:33.240
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like someone with a mental illness.

493
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>It potentially very much could. Yeah. He quickly was taken

494
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 1>to trial in eighteen seventy nine, and he was tried

495
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>for murder and cannibalism. The jury included three English speaking

496
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 1>mixed Crees, four men who were well up on their

497
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Cree language, and a Cree man who translated the proceedings.

498
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:57.559
<v Speaker 1>A leading Cree English scholar was also brought in to

499
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 1>observe the trial and ensure swift Runner was being made

500
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 1>aware of what was happening, what was being said. They

501
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>took every correct step to ensure that there were no

502
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.839
<v Speaker 1>language barriers, which I completely want to applaud them for that.

503
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 3>That's super good, actually, I because I highly expected in

504
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.160
<v Speaker 3>a situation like this to just like throw to the wolves,

505
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, and just like a trial for the purpose

506
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 3>of just making this guy guilty.

507
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Well it was a long time ago too.

508
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly in eighteen eighty. Yeah, and they ensured that

509
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 1>this individual like was taken care of in the trial.

510
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:32.839
<v Speaker 2>That's impressive.

511
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, I was very impressed with that. So that's

512
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:36.920
<v Speaker 1>really good.

513
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.039
<v Speaker 2>I really wish you would have not said the bone

514
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 2>marrow thing, because it's making me like feel like I'm

515
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:46.759
<v Speaker 2>gonna like that is just too much. I can't it's

516
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.160
<v Speaker 2>all that's going through my brain right now.

517
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was.

518
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I took my tea and I almost sawt like I

519
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 2>was gonna not be able to swallow that.

520
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 1>It's just tea. It's not liquefied bone.

521
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, sorry, let's carry on here.

522
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I just turned like a marrow in your cup. It's

523
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.160
<v Speaker 1>not that, don't worry. It's not that it's too much,

524
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay that I'm going to leave you alone with that.

525
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to poke you too much. Now. During

526
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the trial, swift Runner sat calmly throughout the testimony of

527
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>witnesses and the remaining of the trial that now that

528
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 1>the testimonies were individuals who talked about how they saw

529
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the family before they left and went into the woods.

530
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 1>They described the family being in perfect health, you know,

531
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.359
<v Speaker 1>before swift Runner came out and said that they were

532
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>all dead and starved. Right, Okay, Then it was his turn.

533
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.599
<v Speaker 1>His defense told the tale of the Wendigo spirit, the

534
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>spirits being that you know, it terrorized people for years

535
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and years and in the past of his his people,

536
00:28:55.240 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>giving the unlucky ones the uncontrollable craving for human and

537
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>it was the when to go that took over him

538
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and forced him to perform said horrendous acts on his family.

539
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately, there was no evidence present at his defense, like, like,

540
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>after all, like, how do you even if it's undoubted

541
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:24.799
<v Speaker 1>that these spirits exist one hundred percent fact? Okay, just

542
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>for the sake of conversation, how do you prove the

543
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>presence of a spirit or something like possession?

544
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I really don't think you can.

545
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>At least not with our knowledge today on spiritual and

546
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>technology and all this sort of like we have no

547
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>way of approving it.

548
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I don't think that you could approve it

549
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 2>in accord And okay, so was that a known thing?

550
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 2>A when to go? Was that like a known thing

551
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>to people in like.

552
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Their tribes and stuff. It was definitely like a tale

553
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 1>spirit of something that they had in law and legend,

554
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>but not so much like oh, the European settlers and stuff,

555
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:05.519
<v Speaker 1>they just inherently know what a wind to go is. No,

556
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 1>it definitely came from from like the tribespeople think. Okay,

557
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 1>So when it was finally swift Runner's turn to speak

558
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:16.839
<v Speaker 1>at his trial, he was asked if he wanted to

559
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.839
<v Speaker 1>say anything in his own defense, and he responded with

560
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 1>one short, simple reply. He stood up, he addressed the court,

561
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 1>and he said, I did it. And that's it.

562
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 2>What the it seems like I can't believe what happened,

563
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Like you the way that you introduced him at the beginning,

564
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 2>to how he is now, I'm just I just yeah,

565
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it.

566
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the interesting thing that it's like, would someone

567
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>of clear sound mind, as far as we can tell,

568
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 1>and in good proceedings with the community and everything and

569
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>who he is, do something like that on his own,

570
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>or would he do it under the influence of a spirit.

571
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.359
<v Speaker 2>But then even him just standing up and saying I

572
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 2>did it, Like, where's the remorse. And then I'm also

573
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>curious if when they were in the woods and stuff,

574
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>did they have access to alcohol.

575
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.

576
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I mean, like, when you're intoxicated,

577
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 2>you a lot of weird shit can happen in your

578
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

579
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to assume, now this is just me assuming,

580
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to assume that swift Runner would have

581
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:26.799
<v Speaker 1>taken whiskey with him, yes.

582
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I was only assume that there wasn't much.

583
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>But I have no idea.

584
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much or what. Yeah, but I'm

585
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>going to assume that he did take some with him. Now,

586
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 1>after only twenty minutes on trial, swift Runner was found

587
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 1>guilty and after twenty minutes of deliberation, they sentenced him

588
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 1>to death.

589
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Yikes.

590
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>So on December twentieth, in eighteen seventy nine, Canada would

591
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 1>make a mark in history for its first ever official

592
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 1>hanging by the Northwest Mounted Police.

593
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 2>That was the first one.

594
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>This was the first ever legal hanging. Wow that took

595
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>place in Canada.

596
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Wow okay yea.

597
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>So over sixty citizens gathered and bared witness to a

598
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>large man who we know as swift Runner. He was

599
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>led to his final moments in the swirling snow and

600
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the winds of the cold, and his final moments of preparation.

601
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Swift Runner is said to have offered to perform the

602
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 1>execution himself if they simply gave him a tomahawk. I

603
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>can't confirm or deny that, but those are stories that

604
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I have read. But they didn't give in to him though. Instead,

605
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>he was led to the scaffold that was built especially

606
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 1>for his execution. There waited the hangman. He was an

607
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>army pensioneer who was paid fifty dollars to serve the role.

608
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Is that that would have been a lot? Probably?

609
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 1>He would have been a good, good chunk of change.

610
00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

611
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Swift Runner had a rope draped over his head and

612
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 1>then it was cinched tight around his neck. Then moments

613
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>later he was dropped off the gallows and as he fell,

614
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the rope tightened and the sound of a neck breaking

615
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 1>would have been heard as he was left to dangle.

616
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Man, this is heartbreaking.

617
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 1>You good, Yeah, I'm good.

618
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I just feel so sad for this whole story. It's

619
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 2>really quite sad.

620
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>It definitely is. I think the worst part about it

621
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>is there's so much unknown we don't know. Was there

622
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>influence on a spirit called wendigo? Is that true? Was

623
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>he an innocent man who has just taken possession of

624
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 1>and taken advantage of, or was the spirit of a

625
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 1>wendigo the literal spirit of whiskey and he was taken

626
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 1>advantage of by the local European settlers are quote unquote

627
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 1>the white man the whend to go in this situation?

628
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Or was he really suffering from mental illness.

629
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Or was he so many options.

630
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>There's so many, there's so many. Was he suffering from

631
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>a complex of losing his hunting abilities or was he

632
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.519
<v Speaker 1>really just a bad individual? We don't know.

633
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm going to say it's the whiskey or oh

634
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I lost the other one mental illness?

635
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's it's so hard,

636
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>but that's.

637
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Probably so terrible. I mean, not that I don't believe

638
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.039
<v Speaker 2>in spirits, but it's like, yeah, how do you prove

639
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<v Speaker 2>that it's just his word? Really? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, the death sentence was, like I said, the

643
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<v Speaker 1>first legal hanging in Canada. Now, swift Runner declined to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the night before his execution with a priest, an

645
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<v Speaker 1>act that was surely meant to give him time to

646
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<v Speaker 1>repent and confess. However, swift Runner declined and responded by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>the white Man has ruined me. I don't think their

648
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<v Speaker 1>god could amount to much. Wow, that's brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, that's very brutal. Yeah, that actually shows some remorse

650
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<v Speaker 2>right there. I think he realizes, like what happened. I

651
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<v Speaker 2>think that it was probably the alcohol.

652
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<v Speaker 1>I think so too, But but I'm not, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to rule out something like the wend to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go because you can't the.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought of Okay, I'm gonna get a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>weird here. You know what dimensions are? Right? Yes, so

657
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<v Speaker 1>we currently live in a three dimensional world.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, three d yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>There's potentially more dimensions around us that we can't view,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's really hard to explain. It's a little

661
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<v Speaker 1>bit of a lengthy process. But long story short, there

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially be a fourth dimension that we live in.

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<v Speaker 1>We just can't perceive it. Our senses that we have

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<v Speaker 1>as humans can't perceive it. Some people say, that's why

665
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<v Speaker 1>you know your dog and cat looks in the corner

666
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<v Speaker 1>real weird, oh man? Because they can see something that

667
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<v Speaker 1>we can't, something that could.

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<v Speaker 2>Be, or even children sometimes they think great exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So who's to say that there isn't a being

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<v Speaker 1>called a wind to go in said fourth dimension that

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<v Speaker 1>we just simply can't perceive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be totally. I just my thought is like,

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<v Speaker 2>if there wasn't, say, up until this shit happened, his

674
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<v Speaker 2>character was how you described at the very beginning, yeap,

675
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<v Speaker 2>and that alcohol wasn't in play or in factor at all,

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<v Speaker 2>then I would think that the when to Go thing

677
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<v Speaker 2>is like, yeah, like way more believable for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>If that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, I totally get that.

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<v Speaker 1>So on topic of the wendigo, it's actually called wendigo psychosis. Clinically,

681
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<v Speaker 1>it's considered an endemic psychiatric disorder associated with culture. It

682
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<v Speaker 1>manifests through compulsion strong attacks of cannibalism cannibalistic behavior, and

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<v Speaker 1>it mainly concerns the Algonquin Cree tribes and people having

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<v Speaker 1>living in the northern obi Wa Ojibois Ojibwa there we

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<v Speaker 1>go I really slaughtered saying that sorry, Ojibois area. There

686
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<v Speaker 1>are many other stories involving wendigoes and Wendego psychosis, telling

687
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<v Speaker 1>tales of people who have turned to cannibalism and some

688
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<v Speaker 1>who have managed to avoid it, but telling their story

689
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<v Speaker 1>of the visions and the dreams revolving around the compulsions

690
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<v Speaker 1>of consuming human flesh quite literally, like you dive into

691
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<v Speaker 1>these halls, it's skin crawling. There was one I was reading,

692
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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't write anything down about it because I

693
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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to get into a bunch of other stories.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was one I was reading on a woman

695
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<v Speaker 1>who was talking about some dreams she was having of

696
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<v Speaker 1>her brother, who I believe who had passed away, but

697
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<v Speaker 1>her brother had come back and he was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>serve her human flesh like night after night in her dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I'm going back and forth a little

700
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<v Speaker 2>bit because honestly, like alcohol or not, Like, that's pretty

701
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<v Speaker 2>fucked up to like each your family.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He done did do a bad thing. We're not saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, we know that. It's just like, yeah, maybe

707
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<v Speaker 2>this is really Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There is one final thing I want to add to

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<v Speaker 1>Swift Prinner's story. Again, this is another thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>can't I couldn't confirm in my research, but some say

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<v Speaker 1>that he originally got his taste for human flesh when

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<v Speaker 1>he was out hunting one winter with another hunter. The

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<v Speaker 1>detail again tend to be very you know, up for debate.

714
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<v Speaker 1>But for whatever reason, they ran out of food and

715
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<v Speaker 1>in the cold climates, they needed to survive, and so

716
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.679
<v Speaker 1>swift Runner turned to him and aid him to stay alive.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where he began, uh the whndego psychosis, and

718
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<v Speaker 1>then from there moved on to his family.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it tastes really good, just like chicken. Is that

720
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<v Speaker 2>what they say?

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. I think it's closer to the

722
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<v Speaker 1>lines of pork. I think there's actual there's there's human flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it synthesized human flesh that you can try?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, oh right, I have heard this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we talked about it on another Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting. Yeah, and then we talked about, oh hell,

727
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<v Speaker 2>we should have eaten crocodile or alligator. We should have

728
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<v Speaker 2>should have I freaking told you to.

729
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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to eat with you one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, next time I will.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is the tale of swift Runner, And like

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<v Speaker 1>I say, when to go psychosis, it's a rabbit hole

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<v Speaker 1>to get going down. A swift runner story is fairly

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<v Speaker 1>cut and dry. But again, once you get to the

735
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<v Speaker 1>stories of the Whnd to Go or the alcohol, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of if ends or butts and opinions

737
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<v Speaker 1>come in. So it's major rabbit holes.

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<v Speaker 2>From there, well, I could imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>And as for today, the Whend to Go itself has

740
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<v Speaker 1>turned into much more of a cryptid kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>along lines of Bigfoot. People talk about sightings of this

742
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<v Speaker 1>very skeletal, deer like creature with no lips and like

743
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<v Speaker 1>skull for a head and dripping blood, and it's been

744
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<v Speaker 1>turned into this depiction of a monster sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Like there's actually people that say they've spotted it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's there's no one with proof or anything

747
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<v Speaker 1>like that. It's more of a in the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>decades tales and stories and probably Internet getting a hold

749
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<v Speaker 1>of it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting. Well, yeah, and they're describing as like a terrible beast.

751
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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah they are. Well, if the Windygo does exist,

752
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<v Speaker 1>it does sound like it. Regardless of the new depictions,

753
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<v Speaker 1>it does sound like a terrible, terrible being.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's true, very true. Yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that was a different one to research.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was interesting. That was very interesting. Well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it, and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>I got a couple of spine crawls out of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've taken a sip of my tea

760
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<v Speaker 2>since there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you guys want to find us on our

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<v Speaker 1>guys for listening, and of course, as always, stay wicked.