Speaker 1: He's depride of Norwich, Connecticut and an adopted son of
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. After forty years with the Utah Jazz,
Speaker 1: There's no one better to talk some hoops. Richard Smitty
Speaker 1: Smith is back on the Drive on ESPN seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Richard Smitty Smith is back on the Drive on ESPN
Speaker 2: seven hundred live in studio. Smitty, Happy Tuesday, my friend,
Speaker 2: how are you, sir?
Speaker 3: Man? I am doing a good space. I had a
Speaker 3: good weekend. I had had the opportunity to uh to
Speaker 3: play a little golf, starting a long weekend on Friday
Speaker 3: with an all star foursome that included you right at
Speaker 3: the top of the chart and and Tim Howells and
Speaker 3: Wesley Ruff. That was a fun That was a fun
Speaker 3: day for me. And then of course the rest of
Speaker 3: my weekend went downhill. Because when you start right at
Speaker 3: the top of the mountain and you're hanging out with
Speaker 3: like the Mount Rushmore of Salt Lake City sports scene,
Speaker 3: and then you have nowhere to go but downhill. That's
Speaker 3: what That's what it was like for me.
Speaker 2: The Mount Rushmore of the Salt Lake City sports see me,
Speaker 2: Tim and west Ralph, you.
Speaker 3: Get well, hey, hey, you guys are right there. You
Speaker 3: guys are right there, right there. They're still they're still
Speaker 3: carving it. Sure it's still going on now. I imagine somehow,
Speaker 3: you know, soon President Trump will fit in there somewhere,
Speaker 3: because apparently he wants to be in all the all
Speaker 3: the stuff.
Speaker 2: But sure, sure, yeah, sure, well it was it was
Speaker 2: a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thank you for the invite.
Speaker 3: Oh hey, Spence, you you are playing well for all
Speaker 3: of our listeners who here you talk about golfer going
Speaker 3: out hack or whatever you you are. You have a
Speaker 3: very nice swing and you can really tag the ball
Speaker 3: when you get a hold of it. Now, I like that.
Speaker 3: And I think it was sixteen at Bonneville. We were
Speaker 3: in the middle of the fairway and you had a
Speaker 3: nice I don't know what it was, one eighty or
Speaker 3: something and to the green and you hit it and
Speaker 3: the thing just took off. Yeah, and none of us
Speaker 3: knew where it went, and we just saw it fly
Speaker 3: over the over the trap and over the trees and
Speaker 3: over the next box and then it disappeared. And we
Speaker 3: looked at each other like that ball must have gone
Speaker 3: like two twenty thirty yards or something. I don't know
Speaker 3: where it went, but sir, I turned I turned to you, Spence.
Speaker 3: I don't think you hear it. Heard me when I said, Spence,
Speaker 3: they moved the green. It's over here. It's over here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And at part five too, I blew it. I blew
Speaker 2: it so I put it over the green had to drop.
Speaker 2: Uh was able to get up and down, which was nice.
Speaker 2: But great to see Tim outse. I haven't seen him
Speaker 2: in a long time.
Speaker 3: Tim is Tim is a very good golfer. He's been
Speaker 3: playing all his life. And and Tim, you know, he
Speaker 3: really gives back. You know, he's been involved for a
Speaker 3: lot of years with the first T program here and
Speaker 3: here in Utah that that helps young kids get involved
Speaker 3: with the game of golf and and and exposing them
Speaker 3: to the to the game early on. And and Tim's
Speaker 3: been a big proponent of that and and the ahead
Speaker 3: of that for for for a while as well. And
Speaker 3: and uh it's still acted in that. And it was
Speaker 3: good to to hang out with him on the golf course.
Speaker 2: And for our listeners that may not be familiar, Tim
Speaker 2: was the general manager of the Jazz for a few years.
Speaker 3: The decade of the ninety Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was
Speaker 3: there for ten years, ten years ninety to two thousand
Speaker 3: and during the so called hey Day and and you know,
Speaker 3: and and when the Jazz finished their run and had
Speaker 3: won more games than anybody in the NBA during that
Speaker 3: ten year run, Tim called the meeting and said, boys,
Speaker 3: that's that's all I can do. And uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it's up to you. I'm out of here, and walked
Speaker 3: out the back door. And then I'm only team I'm
Speaker 3: teasing Tim on the air. But he he did a
Speaker 3: great job for us, for the for the organization all
Speaker 3: those years he was involved. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So shout out to sim Alison. Of course, Wes
Speaker 2: Rough Hall of Famer Wes R.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, Wes is gonna is gonna push back and
Speaker 3: tell you I was I was honored by the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame. I was not inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: He's gonna you know, it's like, but but a great
Speaker 3: honor for him and way overdue in my in my opinion,
Speaker 3: knowing what Wes has done in the local sports scene
Speaker 3: forever as well as especially with the with the game
Speaker 3: of golf for so long. But you know that that
Speaker 3: that kind of reminds me that that the semantics in
Speaker 3: the language spence is a little bit like when you
Speaker 3: and I play golf, I know that there's you taught
Speaker 3: me a great phrase to use along with my buddy
Speaker 3: Chris Lino, who told me this a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: said when he when he's walking to the cart off
Speaker 3: the green, and he said, there's a difference when the
Speaker 3: guy tells you I got a five, or he says
Speaker 3: to you, I'll take a five, and I know that's
Speaker 3: that's uh that in the same vein spence, I know
Speaker 3: you you walk off a lot of greens and just
Speaker 3: yell over and I'll take a four. I'll take it
Speaker 3: for I.
Speaker 2: Feel like I keep my score with integrity. But at
Speaker 2: times I'll I'll take a generous drive to maybe give
Speaker 2: myself a part.
Speaker 4: But who were.
Speaker 3: Supposed to do? Nicholas was one of the one of
Speaker 3: the obviously maybe probably the greatest golf ever and he's
Speaker 3: I heard him say time and time again over the
Speaker 3: years and interviews when people ask him for advice or
Speaker 3: about the game of golf, he says, people forget that
Speaker 3: that first and foremost, it's supposed to be a fun
Speaker 3: game that you go out and you enjoy it with
Speaker 3: friends and family or new friends or whoever. And you
Speaker 3: have fun with it. And people who get all wrapped
Speaker 3: up in what their score is or what the technicalities
Speaker 3: are when they're playing a fun round, you know, on
Speaker 3: on a Saturday morning, or losing sight of what it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be all about. You know, yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: one of the great people to be reminded of that
Speaker 3: lesson about right. We had a great time on Friday.
Speaker 3: We did fun to hang out with you guys. Thank you, no,
Speaker 3: thank you for the invite. Last thing on this and
Speaker 3: then we'll move on. Was one thing really changed my.
Speaker 2: Approach to the game where one of the really good
Speaker 2: players I play with, and he said, if you want
Speaker 2: to improve, you go to the range. If you want
Speaker 2: to improve, you go hit balls. If you want to improve,
Speaker 2: you take a lesson. If you want to improve, you
Speaker 2: grab somebody that can help you understand your swing. We're
Speaker 2: out here to have a good time. We're not out
Speaker 2: there like during the round because you can drive yourself
Speaker 2: crazy with every single minute adjustment you feel like you
Speaker 2: have to make while you're playing, But then you lose
Speaker 2: sight of the fact that we're outside for four hours
Speaker 2: in the sunshine having a good time.
Speaker 3: Spence, you know, me and you know my game, and
Speaker 3: you know it's it's it's really in the gutter most
Speaker 3: of the time when I'm standing around over the ball,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I have eight different things
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about. I already know that I'm defeated. I
Speaker 3: already know that I'm only gonna maybe take care of
Speaker 3: two of those eight things on this swing, you know.
Speaker 3: And and when when that happens, you know you're you
Speaker 3: know you're in trouble when you're when you're trying to
Speaker 3: outthink yourself for sure.
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's do let's do the jazz stuff
Speaker 2: this segment. Then we'll save the NBA playoff stuff for
Speaker 2: our second segment. Smid, he's live with us for an hour.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: June twenty fifth is right around the corner. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: weeks away from the NBA Draft. Uh, I will be
Speaker 2: anchoring our coverage with you and Gordy. Can't wait for it.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be awesome. We're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 2: What as somebody that were you know, was in these
Speaker 2: rooms for basically four decades? What what what's the process
Speaker 2: like right now? Is weeks before the draft, we're here
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of go time. What's what's happening
Speaker 2: to prepare for this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so now Spence uh the the the NBA personnel.
Speaker 3: The last few weeks, they've gotten through the UH the
Speaker 3: NBA Pre Draft Camp, which is a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: ago in Chicago. Following that, then there were a bunch
Speaker 3: of what we call agent workouts, most of them centered
Speaker 3: in two areas in Chicago while they're at the pre
Speaker 3: draft camp. Right after that, some agents would organize some
Speaker 3: individual workouts for for their their players, their their draft
Speaker 3: eligible players, and then almost all of that group get
Speaker 3: on separate flights and fly to the LA area. And
Speaker 3: then they spend last week about a four or five
Speaker 3: day period prior to the Memorial Day weekend getting going
Speaker 3: to agent workouts in Thousand Oaks, in Santa Monica, in
Speaker 3: Huntington Beach, and in various places on north of LA
Speaker 3: And they're all in different gyms, and you always they're
Speaker 3: coordinating with each other about you know, who's gonna have
Speaker 3: a workout at ten in the morning and with their
Speaker 3: five guys and all the all the people from the
Speaker 3: teams want to be there, and so they don't want
Speaker 3: to miss the workout for a guy who's who's working
Speaker 3: out in another gym, and so the agent says, well,
Speaker 3: we'll do ours at one o'clock. So all you guys
Speaker 3: at the ten o'clock workout in Santa Monica can then
Speaker 3: jump in your car and get on the four oh
Speaker 3: five and drive up the Thousand Oaks and get to
Speaker 3: the gym in time for the one o'clock workout there.
Speaker 3: And then some of you got to come back to U. C.
Speaker 3: L A. At four o'clock for the workout that one
Speaker 3: one agency is going to have with their three guys.
Speaker 3: And I mean it's really it's really a jumble, and
Speaker 3: sometimes you have to divide your forces because you have
Speaker 3: a lot of guys from your organization that are there
Speaker 3: watching the workouts, maybe conducting some interviews at hotels, sometimes
Speaker 3: right there at the gym, you know, on the side
Speaker 3: of the gym, while guys are walking out of the gym.
Speaker 3: It really becomes a hodgepodge sometimes depending on who's available
Speaker 3: and who you want to talk to and who you
Speaker 3: want to reach out to. And then you're also working
Speaker 3: with the agents at that time about guys they represent
Speaker 3: who you may have an interest in bringing to your
Speaker 3: market for a more full scale workout with your coaches
Speaker 3: in tow running the workouts and being able to do
Speaker 3: interviews and and and do a player profiles and and
Speaker 3: those kinds of things. And so they've got all that stuff,
Speaker 3: all that so called travel stuff is in the bank.
Speaker 3: So now they're starting to invite players uh to their
Speaker 3: to their their home market. So the Jazz are working
Speaker 3: on scheduling guys to come in for workouts. They're working
Speaker 3: with other teams, so they're calling their their counterparts in
Speaker 3: Denver and Phoenix and and Sacramento and Golden State. Hey,
Speaker 3: you bringing in the kid from Rutgers on Thursday. Can
Speaker 3: you send them here on Friday so we can get
Speaker 3: a look at them and that kind of thing. So
Speaker 3: you're coordinating with the teams as well as coordinating with
Speaker 3: the agents. So there's a lot of moving parts. For
Speaker 3: a lot of years, our point man on that was
Speaker 3: Walt Perrin, who is our vice president player personnel for
Speaker 3: a long time, and and Walt was always going crazy
Speaker 3: this time of year, mixing and matching and moving all
Speaker 3: the chess pieces around and and and it never works
Speaker 3: out the way you want to because a guy always
Speaker 3: drops out, or a guy missed a flight, or a
Speaker 3: guy twisted his ankle yesterday in Denver and now he
Speaker 3: can't work out for you today. And so she got
Speaker 3: all those moving parts going on. And then add on
Speaker 3: top of that, you've now got also a contingency that's
Speaker 3: going to go over to Treviso, Italy in the next
Speaker 3: week to watch European guys do the same thing that
Speaker 3: was done in Chicago here at the NBA pre Draft camp.
Speaker 3: So the European pre draft camp will be held in Treviso,
Speaker 3: which is just outside of Venice, Italy, and a lot
Speaker 3: of guys trying and draw the long straw so they
Speaker 3: can get a trip over Italy for a week to
Speaker 3: watch some of the Italian players and get some good food,
Speaker 3: you know, in the early June before they're really cranking
Speaker 3: out the draft, which, as you mentioned, is the last
Speaker 3: week of June.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to individual workouts, the way teams
Speaker 2: handle these workouts, and you know, it was always one
Speaker 2: of my favorite things to sit back and watch. I
Speaker 2: can remember before Jeff Van Gundhy was the head coach
Speaker 2: of the Knicks and was pat Riley's assistant. He was
Speaker 2: the you know, he was the honorary chest passer for
Speaker 2: these young kids. They'd come in and I remember, I
Speaker 2: think it was ninety two when the Knicks had a
Speaker 2: late first round pick.
Speaker 4: They used it on Hubert Davis.
Speaker 2: But they worked out Doug Christy and Robert or together,
Speaker 2: and I was courtside watching the whole thing. I just
Speaker 2: thought it was the coolest thing, you know, watching these
Speaker 2: things kind of transpire. What are you looking for if
Speaker 2: you put yourself in the seat of the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 2: First of all, as a team with the top five pick,
Speaker 2: you have doors opened all over the place. Agents want
Speaker 2: to talk to you, Players want to work out for
Speaker 2: you because you have a top five pick. So I
Speaker 2: would imagine that opens up avenues and doors that the
Speaker 2: Jazz wouldn't have if they were only at twenty one. Right,
Speaker 2: So you have a top five pick, people will answer
Speaker 2: your phone call, they want to talk to you. What
Speaker 2: are you trying to accomplish throughout the process of these
Speaker 2: individual workouts, some player.
Speaker 4: Interviews, What are you trying to find out?
Speaker 3: Most of it's spence. It really has to do with
Speaker 3: getting to know the individual player and also doing any
Speaker 3: follow up in terms of physical uh testing him, making
Speaker 3: sure he doesn't have a bad knee or you heard
Speaker 3: that he played during the season with with a sore back.
Speaker 3: You want to, you know, want to check on those
Speaker 3: things with your medical staff while the they're in town here.
Speaker 3: They all go through medical testing in Chicago, so every
Speaker 3: team gets the exact same reports out of Chicago pre
Speaker 3: draft camp for all thirty guys. They put it in
Speaker 3: a big, big binder. You would have a meeting with
Speaker 3: all of your decision makers, with all your your people
Speaker 3: within your organization, usually about a week before the draft,
Speaker 3: and you and you sit down for a whole evening
Speaker 3: with your doctors and you go through every player page
Speaker 3: by page. You start with the a's and you go
Speaker 3: all the way through disease, and you go through how
Speaker 3: is this guy in Chicago. Yeah, he's okay, he's he's
Speaker 3: an orange, he's a red flag depending on how his
Speaker 3: physical came out. But when he comes in your market,
Speaker 3: if there was something, there was a question, then you
Speaker 3: have a chance to follow up on that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: The workout itself is probably the last thing on the
Speaker 3: priority scale of things that you do, because you've been
Speaker 3: watching him play all year. You watch them in Chicago
Speaker 3: with the other guys. The workout you may have. There
Speaker 3: are specific rules to the workout in your market, So
Speaker 3: for example, you cannot work out more than six guys
Speaker 3: at one time. So the perfect workout is when you
Speaker 3: have six guys who were all playing similar positions and
Speaker 3: all who are are projected to be in a similar
Speaker 3: space of the draft. Because now you can you can
Speaker 3: kind of look at apples to apples and see how
Speaker 3: they play against each other. But it's always you're always
Speaker 3: couch that with, you know, with a degree of aiguity,
Speaker 3: because you're not sure, you know, if if what you
Speaker 3: see good bad in the middle in a workout is
Speaker 3: really who the guy is and and and those are
Speaker 3: the things that really temper you know, your what you
Speaker 3: come away with on those Uh you know, we've had uh,
Speaker 3: we had Carlos Boozer, who's who was you know, obviously
Speaker 3: had a terrific career and had great years for the Jazz,
Speaker 3: came in for his first workout with us and and
Speaker 3: was not very good at all the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but but but we we get him in the interview
Speaker 3: and we say, hey, uh, Carlos, how was how'd you
Speaker 3: feel out there in the court. It looked like you
Speaker 3: a little sluggish you were you didn't work you know,
Speaker 3: it didn't quite what we were expecting, you know, And
Speaker 3: and he said, well, yeah, I know. I apologize. I
Speaker 3: am probably because I don't have a lot of energy today.
Speaker 3: And we said, is there a reason for that and
Speaker 3: you know, or something we should know? And he goes, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't eaten in twenty four hours,
Speaker 3: and and we said, when wha you haven't eaten in
Speaker 3: twenty four hours? What do you mean? Goes well, I
Speaker 3: got up yesterday morning and Durham and I had to
Speaker 3: get the flight and I don't have I don't have
Speaker 3: a credit card, so I don't have any money. And
Speaker 3: when we traveled with Duke on the road for our games,
Speaker 3: we were we were supplied food by by the team,
Speaker 3: but we're always told that we couldn't we couldn't order
Speaker 3: any room service because they weren't allowed to pay for that.
Speaker 3: And so so I got here in the hotel and
Speaker 3: I didn't have a credit card, I don't have any money,
Speaker 3: so I haven't we go what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You know? And and so we actually had him come
Speaker 3: back for another workout like two weeks later, you know,
Speaker 3: and Kevin O'Connor told him, look, Carlos, you're going to
Speaker 3: Golden State tomorrow for another workout. You're going to you
Speaker 3: make sure you eat properly, you do all the tuff,
Speaker 3: and look, if you ever have a problem, here's my
Speaker 3: credit card number. You just keep it in your wallet
Speaker 3: and charge it to me. He goes, don't don't be
Speaker 3: doing that. You're you're you're playing with your career. And
Speaker 3: Carlos was just being honest, you know, with the prom.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't have any money, so I'm not
Speaker 3: you know, that's you know, that's just a situation, you know.
Speaker 3: And so and then you flip the other end and
Speaker 3: you have guys like Donovan Mitchell who had a nice
Speaker 3: a couple of years at Louisville, nothing spectacular, nothing on
Speaker 3: the All American level or anything like that, and he
Speaker 3: came in and doesn't work out for us, and and
Speaker 3: we're going, okay, all right, hold on, was this like
Speaker 3: just happened to be his day or is that something
Speaker 3: we didn't see at Louisville for whatever the reason, or
Speaker 3: are we what we're seeing is that really, you know,
Speaker 3: to be believed or so you're you're measuring all those things,
Speaker 3: and it's always all over the scale.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Uh, Rudy came in and Rudy had did his workout
Speaker 3: three days before the draft, and Rudy had been sick
Speaker 3: in the Chicago pre draft camp, so he did not
Speaker 3: perform very well. So a lot of teams, you know,
Speaker 3: were skeptical about who he was because he was coming
Speaker 3: from France and he played on the lower division team
Speaker 3: there and maybe he's just seven one, and you know,
Speaker 3: it just happens to be tall, but isn't that good
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. And he came in and and
Speaker 3: for us anyway, you know, really showed that he could
Speaker 3: move or could run and move his hips and we
Speaker 3: thought there was something there and and you know, but
Speaker 3: even then, he still slid to twenty seven in the draft,
Speaker 3: you know, And so these things go all over the scale.
Speaker 3: You have to have a One of the things you
Speaker 3: really need in your room as a team is to
Speaker 3: have some guys who have been through that process, you know,
Speaker 3: many times, and understand what it is and don't get
Speaker 3: caught up and the things that don't look really really
Speaker 3: look bad or the things that look really good and
Speaker 3: don't get swayed either way. But you have, you know,
Speaker 3: some kind of experience doing that kind of thing. Obviously
Speaker 3: the Jazz do with with Danny Ainge and guys like
Speaker 3: Bart Taylor who had been through that for you know,
Speaker 3: ten fifteen years now and and have a good handle
Speaker 3: on those kind of things. So that's that's the stuff
Speaker 3: you're looking for when you get them in, you know,
Speaker 3: for a for an on site workout and trying to
Speaker 3: figure out, you know, mostly who is this guy and
Speaker 3: is he someone that we want to seriously consider adding
Speaker 3: to our group.
Speaker 2: Let me follow up about the Donovan workout because it's
Speaker 2: one of these chapters in jazz history, in jazz lore
Speaker 2: that has a lot of tales surrounding it, right, And
Speaker 2: I can remember I was with the Teams radio station
Speaker 2: at the time, and you started hearing things after the
Speaker 2: workout where the reports were Dennis Dennis Lindsay, who was
Speaker 2: running the team at the time, basically told everybody you
Speaker 2: do not whisper a word about what we just saw,
Speaker 2: and if you do, you will lose your job. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was that dramatic, but and then
Speaker 2: it's interesting because Summer League this year will be up
Speaker 2: at the Huntsman Center as they're renovating Delta Center and
Speaker 2: the last time Summer League was at the Delta Centers
Speaker 2: when Donovan went head to head against Jason Tatum and
Speaker 2: gave it to him, And that's when everybody's like, wait,
Speaker 2: wait a second, because Tatum. I mean, I'm not taking
Speaker 2: a victory lap. I thought Tatum was the best player
Speaker 2: in that draft, all due respect to Markel Folks who
Speaker 2: went number one and couldn't stay healthy and had some
Speaker 2: weird stuff happen. Unfortunately, that's part of the NBA journey sometimes.
Speaker 2: And when I watched Donovan just I remember he slapped
Speaker 2: the floor and he picked Tatum's pocket, went down and
Speaker 2: dunked it with Forst and started doing things that I
Speaker 2: didn't know he could do. What was it about that
Speaker 2: workout that motivated Dennis to be so adamant, like we
Speaker 2: just found something special here that maybe we didn't know
Speaker 2: that we were going to find.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, First of all, I would respond just to
Speaker 3: the notion that Dennis may have said something, you know,
Speaker 3: nobody speak about this or I don't really if that
Speaker 3: ever happened. I wasn't in the room, Kah during that time,
Speaker 3: because look, we were at that time, we were picking
Speaker 3: twenty four that year. In the draft and during the workout,
Speaker 3: film study, you know, internal discussion, conversations with other guys
Speaker 3: we knew around the league who you might have seen
Speaker 3: him more and knew a little bit more about him.
Speaker 3: And as we did all of our background work and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, he became a player we
Speaker 3: were interested in. But we also felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: enough other teams are going to see what we see
Speaker 3: and he's not going to get to us. But okay,
Speaker 3: we like him to some extent. Okay, we put him
Speaker 3: up on the wall and our board and whatever. And
Speaker 3: then Dennis was able to do his magic on draft night,
Speaker 3: you know, and be able to move up to thirteen.
Speaker 3: And because we are everything we had, we all of
Speaker 3: our research showed that he probably wasn't going to get
Speaker 3: past fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, something like that. So you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes those things happen and they fall in your lap. Now,
Speaker 3: you know, will we the only team that you like
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell will be the only ones who saw, you know,
Speaker 3: what he might be able to know. And that's that
Speaker 3: that narrative is is just it's just not true. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of teams liked him. A lot of teams
Speaker 3: had some concerns about why he didn't play that way
Speaker 3: when he was at Louisville. You can, you know, look
Speaker 3: at a lot of different things, whatever, and and and
Speaker 3: some of it really Spence just goes to the fact
Speaker 3: that you know, he has you know what what I
Speaker 3: would I determine now looking back on it, he just
Speaker 3: has more of an NBA type game in him than
Speaker 3: you're allowed to show in college. And we see guys
Speaker 3: who can do that from time to time. You know.
Speaker 3: As far as the process itself, you know, we're we're
Speaker 3: we're always looking for different guys who can try and
Speaker 3: add to your group. You know, it's everything you have
Speaker 3: upon on the board, everything that you're looking at, Everything
Speaker 3: is monitored, is recorded in terms of what teams you've
Speaker 3: talked to. If you're trying to move you know, I
Speaker 3: know the Jazz are picking five and twenty one at
Speaker 3: the moment. Those are the picks they have. We always
Speaker 3: would be careful about saying, you know, the picks we
Speaker 3: have at the moment are these because you never know
Speaker 3: if you're gonna move up, you're gonna move back, we're
Speaker 3: gonna move out of the draft depending on all all
Speaker 3: kinds of things that can be going on. Of course,
Speaker 3: this year for the Jazz, you know, they're in a
Speaker 3: situation where where everything, in my opinion, is in play.
Speaker 3: There is nothing that's not you know, either discussable or
Speaker 3: something where you say, yeah that we're just not gonna
Speaker 3: do that kind of a thing because they don't have
Speaker 3: a team that's in a position, you know, to to
Speaker 3: to act like that. So there they'll have everything open.
Speaker 3: Everything's i would think is in play as far as
Speaker 3: moving and trading and and trying to compile picks and whatever,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And that's gonna be the interesting part
Speaker 3: for this next month is all the all the stuff
Speaker 3: that might be going on leading up to draft day.
Speaker 2: All right, before we catch a break, let's move over
Speaker 2: to this draft and give me your thoughts on on this.
Speaker 2: So you know, when you look at who the Jazz
Speaker 2: have on their roster, and in a way, this always
Speaker 2: concerned me with Donovan and Mike as a starting backcourt,
Speaker 2: even though they're both awesome and obviously they've both gone
Speaker 2: on to play well elsewhere. You know, we'll use Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City as an example because they're just kind of the
Speaker 2: shining stars of now, you know, Lou Dort six five
Speaker 2: two twenty, Alex Caruso six five, I feel like he's
Speaker 2: bigger than that.
Speaker 4: Shay six'. Seven even a, guy, uh even a guy.
Speaker 2: Like Cason wallace who's six three sixty, four plays a
Speaker 2: lot bigger than. That jalen is six,' nine, you Know
Speaker 2: So kendrick williams is. Six seven so on, The Perimeter
Speaker 2: oklahoma city has tremendous size. And length and, you know
Speaker 2: you saw last night they Just Put anthony edwards.
Speaker 4: In jail he had nowhere.
Speaker 2: To go and when you look at the jazz roster, Right,
Speaker 2: NOW clarkson i don't know if he's part of the,
Speaker 2: future plans but he's.
Speaker 4: Six three They list isaiah at.
Speaker 2: SIX three i don't know that he's, Sixty three kante,
Speaker 2: sixty three, Sixty Four colin sexton. Sixty three like the
Speaker 2: majority of their guards aren't necessarily big, and long like
Speaker 2: the Wings from minnesota Outside of mike and the Wings For.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma CITY and i, feel like, you know it's easy, to,
Speaker 2: Say well danny likes length because He drafted Tatum.
Speaker 4: And brown everybody, likes length and that's what.
Speaker 2: You need so when you look at some of the
Speaker 2: prospects available Where the jazz could, be drafting and we
Speaker 2: don't know what's.
Speaker 4: Gonna Happen as.
Speaker 2: Bailey is six seven six Eight vj edgecomb, sixty five
Speaker 2: The fears kid, Is Small, trey johnson, you know six or.
Speaker 2: Six five there are some big wings available with some
Speaker 2: length and. Some size dylan's not going to get. To
Speaker 2: them dylan would, Be great dylan six, 'y five but
Speaker 2: he's probably probably gonna be off the. BOARDED two i
Speaker 2: think they need more length than athleticism on. THE perimeter
Speaker 2: i Feel like Larry and walker are the only two
Speaker 2: Players where i'd feel, Confident, like okay we've got, those
Speaker 2: two and then everybody else has a tremendous question marks in,
Speaker 2: my opinion WHAT sort i know you said everything's on,
Speaker 2: the table but, at five What'sh your jazz Fans hope
Speaker 2: as far as best case That the jazz could walk, away.
Speaker 3: WITH well i would think that a number the guys
Speaker 3: that are going to. BE there i think if they
Speaker 3: ended up, picking five there may be a couple of
Speaker 3: surprises that happened at three. AND four i think one
Speaker 3: and two are probably. Locked in whether it's those Two
Speaker 3: teams Dallas And san antonio take take the flag kid
Speaker 3: And the, harper kid or if, they they, you know for,
Speaker 3: some reason make a trade of, some sort, you know
Speaker 3: and a lot of. The, scuttle butup, you know as
Speaker 3: you get closer to, the draft is GOING to, i
Speaker 3: think is gonna start getting some steam Behind what yiannis's
Speaker 3: Situations in milwaukee and what's gonna happen, with that because those,
Speaker 3: would be, to me would be very. Interesting discussions if
Speaker 3: You're in Dallas Or san antonio and, you know and
Speaker 3: Somebody from milwaukee calls you, and, says hey you got,
Speaker 3: a minute, you know because for, you yeah and, so
Speaker 3: uh anything could happen in that regard and that in.
Speaker 3: Those slots but then, you know when you get, to, three,
Speaker 3: four five there's some discussion about who these guys could
Speaker 3: be and and what teams are gonna need and and,
Speaker 3: you know look at a team Like. The jazz if
Speaker 3: they don't do, anything else and if they just stay
Speaker 3: at five and they end up picking a guy, at
Speaker 3: five they're they're really, their responsibility in, my opinion is
Speaker 3: to pick the guy whoever they think is the best
Speaker 3: talent and has the best chance.
Speaker 4: Of succeeding regardless.
Speaker 3: Doing, well yeah because because they. Need players they they
Speaker 3: they're badly there at the bottom looking up and so,
Speaker 3: you know you can't be going for. A while we
Speaker 3: need a. Point guard so we'll just take whoever the.
Speaker 3: Point guard and, you know, you know if if you
Speaker 3: determine that some other guy uh at another position is
Speaker 3: going to be a. Better player now that that's always
Speaker 3: in a in a an assessment, you make that's always
Speaker 3: an evaluation of guys in. Your room that's always, you
Speaker 3: know ends up being, you know when all when all the,
Speaker 3: dust settles the guy who's your decision maker in this
Speaker 3: case For, the, jazz UH it's i Believe It's danny
Speaker 3: ainge has the. Final word, you, know, he'll uh he'll
Speaker 3: make an assessment based on everybody's input and how everybody has,
Speaker 3: has seen uh seen these guys and determine what would
Speaker 3: be the make the most sense For the jazz in
Speaker 3: terms of adding skill and talent to. Their base what position?
Speaker 3: Is that who knows is That the, fears kid who
Speaker 3: you know may have a good career as as a.
Speaker 3: Point guard is That the johnson Kid, from texas who's
Speaker 3: who's a flat out score and has, good size, you
Speaker 3: know has has a pro game and a, pro body
Speaker 3: uh to go with it at, that part at that
Speaker 3: point is that somebody like the Kid From duke nipple
Speaker 3: who's who measured u shorter than than everybody thought he
Speaker 3: Was in chicago but is a true playmaker out on
Speaker 3: the floor with, the ball is really a. Smart guy
Speaker 3: so do you need do you want a guy like
Speaker 3: that to add to? Your mix because as we're seeing
Speaker 3: with these teams that are still alive in, the playoffs
Speaker 3: they all have guys that fit in round pegs into,
Speaker 3: round holes meaning they put team a. Team Together Right
Speaker 3: Shay gilders alexander is an M V, p okay the
Speaker 3: home grown kid is not far behind in terms of
Speaker 3: just how he affects, the game what he brings on.
Speaker 3: The floor but now you're talking about two key contributors to,
Speaker 3: their team where guys who are not even drafted In
Speaker 3: lou Dort, And caruso and so you have to figure
Speaker 3: out as an organization who the big, guys are who
Speaker 3: those guys are going, to be, you know. Going forward
Speaker 3: but then you also have to plug in those holes
Speaker 3: somewhere along the line with guys that you determined can
Speaker 3: add to your group and fit in and be part
Speaker 3: of that puzzle you're trying to. Put together that's what
Speaker 3: makes doing this such a difficult task, for teams and That's.
Speaker 3: Why spence you see some organizations they're just always spinning
Speaker 3: their wheels and can never get any traction because they
Speaker 3: don't have the patience to be able to put a
Speaker 3: few pieces together and then wait till the next cycle
Speaker 3: and put another, piece together and then wait for the
Speaker 3: next cycle and try and see what they're doing long
Speaker 3: term and. Big picture and that's that's. The Situation the
Speaker 3: jazz are in, right now.
Speaker 2: About two hours away from tip Off, in indiana Where
Speaker 2: the knicks And the pacers are going to.
Speaker 4: Do battle we have some.
Speaker 2: Breaking News Aaron ne smith is available to play after
Speaker 2: spraining his ankle in. Game three we'll catch a, quick
Speaker 2: break we'll talk about that game tonight and we'll TALK Ok,
Speaker 2: c minnesota maybe do a Little more jazz off Time
Speaker 2: Allows richard smith live in studio for one more segment
Speaker 2: coming up on the other side right HERE on espn,
Speaker 2: seven hundred about one hour and fifteen minutes away tip
Speaker 2: off tonight at massive Game. In indiana nicks are going
Speaker 2: to try to lock it up at two. Games Apiece
Speaker 2: the pacers will try to take a three to one
Speaker 2: lead over the. Next Tonight aaron nesmith available to play
Speaker 2: after spraining his Ankle in. Game three he left for the,
Speaker 2: locker room did come back and finish off. The Game
Speaker 2: richard smith is live In, STUDIO smithy i wanted to
Speaker 2: get one more quick jazz thing IN because i haven't asked.
Speaker 2: You This walker kessler is, extension eligible so the date is.
Speaker 2: Coming up as far as, you know the decision To
Speaker 2: Extend walker kessler fourteen point six mil free agent whole
Speaker 2: That Got bobby march's notes in front.
Speaker 4: Of Me because bobby's. The, man yep it feels like a, no,
Speaker 4: BRAINER right I, MEAN walker.
Speaker 2: I feel like after a great, rookie year had a dip,
Speaker 2: year two but really played well well. YEAR three i
Speaker 2: would imagine this is a formality that they do Lock Up.
Speaker 3: Walker, Kessler, WELL spence i would agree with you in
Speaker 3: TERMS of i think he's a guy who you can
Speaker 3: actually have as one of your pieces of trying to
Speaker 3: build something. Going forward so that makes sense to me on,
Speaker 3: The surface but you have to look behind the scenes
Speaker 3: and you have to look at your whole organization and
Speaker 3: the whole team and as you're trying to build. It
Speaker 3: out and they don't have To Extend walker kessler. This
Speaker 3: year they can they can go another year on the
Speaker 3: last year what would be, next year his, fourth year
Speaker 3: the last year of his, rookie contract and then he
Speaker 3: would become restricted. Free, agent uh they can give him a,
Speaker 3: qualifying offer and, then uh they can wait. And See,
Speaker 3: because spence if if you're if you're not holding onto
Speaker 3: a guy who's helping you to get to a mountaintop
Speaker 3: that you're. Right, near okay if you're just still trying
Speaker 3: to build, your foundation there are a lot of moving
Speaker 3: parts and pieces that that that could change between now and.
Speaker 3: Next summer he could have a bad. Fourth, year uh
Speaker 3: he could, heaven forbid blow a knee out and have.
Speaker 3: Something happen so there's not an urgency On the jazz
Speaker 3: is part to. Extend him sometimes you want to do
Speaker 3: those things as a good faith measure and to show, the,
Speaker 3: player yeah hey we, want you and here we go
Speaker 3: and and so those are the decisions that you have,
Speaker 3: to make and those are the business decisions that you
Speaker 3: talk over with your group and your owner and then
Speaker 3: you're also you're talking with his his agent and and
Speaker 3: and trying to understand what all the ramifications are around
Speaker 3: uh extending him right away or waiting, on it or, you, know,
Speaker 3: explaining hey, you know we want to wait because next
Speaker 3: year we might have. More, money uh he might play
Speaker 3: himself into a. Better deal, you know there's a lot
Speaker 3: of that jockeying around and and uh negotiating behind. The
Speaker 3: scenes so there's a lot of ways That the jazz could.
Speaker 3: Play it but just for, our listeners for them to
Speaker 3: understand it in general business and and team, building Terms
Speaker 3: the jazz do not have to do anything. This summer
Speaker 3: if they choose, not to they can ride it out for,
Speaker 3: another year where then next summer they would still have
Speaker 3: uh the final say As with kessler being a restricted
Speaker 3: free agent in terms of whether they want to bring. Him,
Speaker 3: back now that's, what happened going back To The gordon,
Speaker 3: hayward scenario, you know And, the jazz, you know we're
Speaker 3: playing it out and then they offered him a, you
Speaker 3: know a deal that he wanted to go get, another
Speaker 3: offer which he did and he won that one and
Speaker 3: whatever and all that that kind. Of stuff but, you
Speaker 3: know so IN, the nba as long as you like
Speaker 3: a guy and as long as he's your guy going
Speaker 3: forward and you think he's a good part of, your future,
Speaker 3: the team no matter what, it does always has the
Speaker 3: control for minimum of the first seven years of the
Speaker 3: player's career because you have that restricted free agency tag
Speaker 3: on them where you can always match an offer that
Speaker 3: someone else would. Give him so you're also playing that
Speaker 3: game because, you, say well if we wait and next
Speaker 3: year he could earn some. More money but maybe next
Speaker 3: year we get, him cheaper or maybe next year, you
Speaker 3: know some team that has a whole bunch of money
Speaker 3: really loves him and they just throw, a big, you
Speaker 3: know wopping lowry market and type deal, at him and, you, go,
Speaker 3: whoa whoa we can't, do that you. Know whatever so
Speaker 3: there's a lot of a lot of dancing around behind
Speaker 3: closed doors that the team has to figure out is
Speaker 3: he going to be one of their guys that they
Speaker 3: want to make that kind of financial.
Speaker 2: Commitment too let me ask, you this since you brought
Speaker 2: Up the, hayward stuff there is a narrative that's been
Speaker 2: out there for a WHILE and i don't know that
Speaker 2: ever fully brought, into IT but i.
Speaker 4: DON'T know i have.
Speaker 2: No idea my whole assertion is The way gordon handled
Speaker 2: the exit And The player's. TRIBUNE article i feel like
Speaker 2: he wanted to sit at the cool kids lunch table
Speaker 2: in a, bigger MARKET and i feel like he wanted
Speaker 2: to go play for his.
Speaker 4: College coach but some.
Speaker 2: People believe as a result of the decision not to
Speaker 2: simply maxim as soon as he was up for it
Speaker 2: and give him what he wanted after the rookie deal
Speaker 2: was able to be extended and tell him to go
Speaker 2: bet on himself was one of the reasons.
Speaker 4: He left do you put any stock into?
Speaker 3: THAT now i don't KNOW that i understand what that.
Speaker 3: NARRATIVE was i think it was more Really knowing gordon
Speaker 3: the WAY that i. Know him just it's just my own.
Speaker 3: PERSONAL opinion i think when he had the opportunity to
Speaker 3: go play for his, college coach and had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to go play for a storied franchise Like, the celtics
Speaker 3: and was going into a good situation where they had
Speaker 3: a chance to win and all, THAT that i think
Speaker 3: that was too much of a pull. FOR him I
Speaker 3: think i do also think that again my, own opinion
Speaker 3: my own gut tells me that he was more comfortable
Speaker 3: playing here in this market because he's more Of A
Speaker 3: Salt lake city type guy off the floor than he
Speaker 3: Is a boston type guy off the. FLOOR there i mean,
Speaker 3: his personality he's a, quiet guy he's a. Family Guy
Speaker 3: Salt lake city really fit him to a t in
Speaker 3: terms of what uh he wants to be just in
Speaker 3: his life. In general AND so i was a little
Speaker 3: bit surprised when he Went to boston ONLY BECAUSE, i i,
Speaker 3: you know coming coming from that that read growing up
Speaker 3: there in that region of, THE country i knew that
Speaker 3: it wasn't something that that would really fit, his, personality
Speaker 3: uh outside of the basketball stuff and so the real
Speaker 3: life stuff as we. Call IT so i knew that
Speaker 3: would be a major adjustment for for for he and,
Speaker 3: his family his. Young family but, you KNOW but i
Speaker 3: think that, the poll again just, my opinion the poll
Speaker 3: to Play For brad stevens and Go to boston and
Speaker 3: do that was too much of a storybook thing. For him,
Speaker 3: and look he he ended up leaving at, That, time
Speaker 3: Uh the jazz had had the finance ability to pay.
Speaker 3: More money, you know he left in the neighborhood of
Speaker 3: forty million dollars on the table to Go. To boston
Speaker 3: That the jazz would have guaranteed him more because they
Speaker 3: could give him that fifth year that that other. Teams
Speaker 3: couldn't that's how the, rules, Work right and and he,
Speaker 3: chose to, you know leave that on the table. And
Speaker 3: go and, you know BUT again i think it was
Speaker 3: more of an emotional thing for him and on the
Speaker 3: personal side than it was a. Business Thing, all right a.
Speaker 2: Couple of minutes, left here so let's get to the
Speaker 2: playoffs that are going on. Right now before we get,
Speaker 2: to tonight LET'S Talk. Okc, minnesota okay see up three
Speaker 2: to one and Last. Night smittye first, of all, awesome
Speaker 2: game really fun, to watch high level. Shot making my
Speaker 2: Assertion is minnesota beats maybe every team in the league
Speaker 2: last night besides the one. They, played yeah and, You
Speaker 2: know ant's taking a lot of. Heat Today julius randall
Speaker 2: for the second, straight game. Just disappeared watched the game
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter from the Bench After chris finch
Speaker 2: decided to go in a. Different direction all that's finding
Speaker 2: good and we Can. Talk Minnesota this minnesota that they
Speaker 2: hung forty one points in the fourth quarter on one
Speaker 2: of the best defenses in. Pro basketball, to me last
Speaker 2: night Was who. Okasee Is mark dagnoll was asked after,
Speaker 2: the game what you learned about your, team tonight and, he,
Speaker 2: said nothing it's who. WE are i thought last night
Speaker 2: was MORE about Okc the minnesota what's?
Speaker 3: Your, take YEAH well i Think, THEY yeah i think you're.
Speaker 3: EXACTLY right i think it was A great it was
Speaker 3: a great, horse race and it came down to the
Speaker 3: wire and, one team, you know got, you know beat
Speaker 3: the other team out by a nose to use. That
Speaker 3: analogy and You, know minnesota, you know they have a
Speaker 3: ball bounced, their way or they have a shot fall in,
Speaker 3: for them or they have a foul call that they
Speaker 3: should have been made that. Wasn't, made whatever, you know
Speaker 3: all those things that can happen in the. Tight game
Speaker 3: with under two minutes, to go a couple things go
Speaker 3: their way and it's two Two and randall has a
Speaker 3: bad Game and aunt has just a, pedestrian game and, everybody, goes,
Speaker 3: look see you see these guys are, for real, because
Speaker 3: look the two main guys were just, so so and
Speaker 3: they still won the game against the team that had the.
Speaker 3: BEST record, i mean that would be, the, Narrowest right
Speaker 3: so so you know it was it was a. Close
Speaker 3: game it was a fun game. To watch, YOU know
Speaker 3: i do think it's gonna be Hard for minnesota to
Speaker 3: to ratchet up now because now they're gonna in order
Speaker 3: to get out of the series and and move on to,
Speaker 3: The finals minnesota's gonna have to, be okay see three.
Speaker 4: Times in a row and twice.
Speaker 3: In, the building and that that's gonna be a. Tough
Speaker 3: arder but as we've seen early in, the playoffs that's
Speaker 3: why you play them because maybe somebody gets in early,
Speaker 3: foul trouble maybe somebody has, an injury something happens to
Speaker 3: affect the sway of what the momentum and what's. Going
Speaker 3: on you, never know somebody comes out of. The woodwork
Speaker 3: Like if minnesota pulled that Game, out spence you'd you'd
Speaker 3: be talking about how good they can play, against, okay
Speaker 3: see how well rounded, they are and that you had
Speaker 3: a Guy Like Nikhil, alexander walker, you know have a
Speaker 3: GAME like, va game have A tray man game, right
Speaker 3: right and so you'd be talking about that kind. Of
Speaker 3: thing and so the narrative always changes depending on when
Speaker 3: you get. Close games just, what happened and and, you
Speaker 3: know a bounce of a ball here and there, or
Speaker 3: whatever and the whole tone and what everybody's talking about
Speaker 3: changes from one thing to. The next and and when,
Speaker 3: you lose and it's a, tough game then you're looking
Speaker 3: at your main guys and trying to point the fingers,
Speaker 3: at them which is which is always the lazy way
Speaker 3: out in.
Speaker 2: My opinion so in about an hour and a half,
Speaker 2: in change we have tip off Of The pacers.
Speaker 4: Knicks game uh it is Two.
Speaker 2: On indiana and since YOU and i, last Spoke the
Speaker 2: knicks pulled the miraculous comeback off as they've done this
Speaker 2: year in the postseason a few. Different times and when
Speaker 2: they went down twenty in the, SECOND quarter i almost
Speaker 2: went and hit.
Speaker 4: Golf balls, I'm like i'm Not doing i'm not. WATCHING
Speaker 4: this i don't think.
Speaker 2: Enough was talked about as far as the way they
Speaker 2: closed the second quarter to get it. Within thirteen that doesn't.
Speaker 2: Sound awesome but when you're down twenty and all the
Speaker 2: momentums going the other way and you're able to get
Speaker 2: a couple of, threes here there are a couple stops,
Speaker 2: here there and just end the hap with a little bit,
Speaker 2: of confidence so you know you're. NOT dead i felt
Speaker 2: like that that. Wasn't nothing The knee smith injury changed.
Speaker 2: The game he's available to. Play tonight we'll see if he.
Speaker 2: Can go he did come back in and close. The
Speaker 2: game But When nie smith, went down it kind of
Speaker 2: changed the way that you know they Were. Guarding jalen
Speaker 2: jalen gets in foul trouble when you were in studio
Speaker 2: last week and when we're on the golf Course, ON
Speaker 2: friday i said, to You can tom find ten Minutes For?
Speaker 2: Landry shammitt can he find ten to fifteen minutes for
Speaker 2: A precious atua who did not get off the bench.
Speaker 2: Former You delon wright Got some ron played really. Good
Speaker 2: defense it's Weird see delon play with so little, confidence
Speaker 2: offensively like he wasn't looking to attack at all, on
Speaker 2: offense but did guard Well and shaman gave him some
Speaker 2: good run. As Well mitchell robinson in the, Starting Lineup
Speaker 2: josh hard to. THE bench I give josh a lot
Speaker 2: of credit for the way he played coming in off
Speaker 2: the bench with ten. Big rebounds he's as good of
Speaker 2: a REBOUNDING wing i think as there is in. The
Speaker 2: league no part of Me Believes new york is gonna win.
Speaker 2: The series that's Just where. I'm at we'll see what.
Speaker 2: Happens tonight pacers are a two point five. Point favorite
Speaker 2: so before we end our hit, this week your thoughts
Speaker 2: On the knicks come back and what do you think? Happens, tonight,
Speaker 2: YEAH well i think the first, of all for all
Speaker 2: of the talk all.
Speaker 3: Season long everybody has, the, teams themselves, the. Media everybody
Speaker 3: you're Talking, In, December january february about who is in
Speaker 3: the position to have home court advantage in the first
Speaker 3: round of, the playoffs and everybody's always that's always the.
Speaker 3: Talking Point the knicks so far are three and five
Speaker 3: at Home And Madison square garden in, the playoffs and
Speaker 3: they're six and one on. The road so what does?
Speaker 3: That mean who knows what? It means other teams get
Speaker 3: up to Play At Madison. Square Garden the knicks don't
Speaker 3: play as fluidly maybe or as easy because they got
Speaker 3: all those the expectations and everything on them that they're
Speaker 3: supposed to win when they're At the garden And The
Speaker 3: new york fans are gonna get them across the finish
Speaker 3: line or. Whatever whatever The mantra is and then they
Speaker 3: go on the road and, they play, you know whatever. They,
Speaker 3: do now they've had several games that they've won in
Speaker 3: the six and one road playoff run of theirs where
Speaker 3: it's been a one minute game and it's been whoever
Speaker 3: makes this shot or whoever gets, the stop or whoever
Speaker 3: makes a defensive play or whatever it's. Gonna be And
Speaker 3: the knicks have been able to do it several times
Speaker 3: in these playoffs to to, to uh to. Their credit
Speaker 3: and then the, Other night towns just went went on
Speaker 3: a heater, and uh, you know he had one of
Speaker 3: those three. POINT shots i thought he was just throwing
Speaker 3: up to hopefully get. A foul they didn't call, the
Speaker 3: file but he banked.
Speaker 1: It in.
Speaker 3: But, you, know okay so called banks. It, In, okay
Speaker 3: okay that's that's what's going on at.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 3: Moment okay and he felt it AND and I think
Speaker 3: indiana felt it a. Little. Bit uh, but again the.
Speaker 3: Same thing the ball bounces, one way the ball bounces the,
Speaker 3: other way a shot, goes in one of his shots
Speaker 3: doesn't fall or rims, out whatever, And uh indiana comes
Speaker 3: out and all of a sudden they're up to three, to,
Speaker 3: zero right and everybody's talking about Burying the knicks, and
Speaker 3: everything and now the, talk, is hey Can the knicks
Speaker 3: do it again and and even this series and get
Speaker 3: Back To? New york, YOU know, i, Say gee i'm
Speaker 3: looking at the playoffs, so Far and i'm looking at
Speaker 3: the record on the road. AND home i don't KNOW
Speaker 3: if i don't know If the knicks want to go.
Speaker 3: Back home maybe they they just want to keep saying on,
Speaker 3: THE road i mean the way. They're playing but it's,
Speaker 3: a fun entertaining series they, both Are and i'm, expecting
Speaker 3: nothing nothing less than. THAT tonight i think. IT'S uh
Speaker 3: i think it's fun. TO watch i think both teams
Speaker 3: really get, after it and both teams spends to your,
Speaker 3: earlier point have done things with their roster where it's
Speaker 3: not just, you know top draft picks that are that
Speaker 3: are pulling, the wagon it's other guys that they've brought
Speaker 3: in and pieced together to have a full team effect
Speaker 3: that that can help you.
Speaker 2: To win should, be, Fun smitty great to see you
Speaker 2: enjoy the. Game tonight we'll. Chat soon, thanks man. Appreciate
Speaker 2: it The Great richard smith, all right, coming up join
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