WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.080 He's depride of Norwich, Connecticut and an adopted son of 2 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:07.360 Salt Lake City. After forty years with the Utah Jazz, 3 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:11.320 There's no one better to talk some hoops. Richard Smitty 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.199 Smith is back on the Drive on ESPN seven hundred. 5 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.519 Richard Smitty Smith is back on the Drive on ESPN 6 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.879 seven hundred live in studio. Smitty, Happy Tuesday, my friend, 7 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:24.559 how are you, sir? 8 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:26.519 Man? I am doing a good space. I had a 9 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:30.160 good weekend. I had had the opportunity to uh to 10 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:33.799 play a little golf, starting a long weekend on Friday 11 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:39.240 with an all star foursome that included you right at 12 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:42.200 the top of the chart and and Tim Howells and 13 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.719 Wesley Ruff. That was a fun That was a fun 14 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:47.359 day for me. And then of course the rest of 15 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:50.039 my weekend went downhill. Because when you start right at 16 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:52.439 the top of the mountain and you're hanging out with 17 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:56.719 like the Mount Rushmore of Salt Lake City sports scene, 18 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:59.359 and then you have nowhere to go but downhill. That's 19 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.000 what That's what it was like for me. 20 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.719 The Mount Rushmore of the Salt Lake City sports see me, 21 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:05.079 Tim and west Ralph, you. 22 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.519 Get well, hey, hey, you guys are right there. You 23 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:10.120 guys are right there, right there. They're still they're still 24 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:14.359 carving it. Sure it's still going on now. I imagine somehow, 25 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:18.200 you know, soon President Trump will fit in there somewhere, 26 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.280 because apparently he wants to be in all the all 27 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:21.680 the stuff. 28 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.840 But sure, sure, yeah, sure, well it was it was 29 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:25.319 a pleasure. 30 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:26.239 Thank you for the invite. 31 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:29.159 Oh hey, Spence, you you are playing well for all 32 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:31.959 of our listeners who here you talk about golfer going 33 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.799 out hack or whatever you you are. You have a 34 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.359 very nice swing and you can really tag the ball 35 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:39.640 when you get a hold of it. Now, I like that. 36 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.120 And I think it was sixteen at Bonneville. We were 37 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:44.920 in the middle of the fairway and you had a 38 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.200 nice I don't know what it was, one eighty or 39 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.599 something and to the green and you hit it and 40 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:51.840 the thing just took off. Yeah, and none of us 41 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.120 knew where it went, and we just saw it fly 42 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:58.079 over the over the trap and over the trees and 43 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:03.319 over the next box and then it disappeared. And we 44 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:06.239 looked at each other like that ball must have gone 45 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:08.919 like two twenty thirty yards or something. I don't know 46 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:14.919 where it went, but sir, I turned I turned to you, Spence. 47 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.479 I don't think you hear it. Heard me when I said, Spence, 48 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.759 they moved the green. It's over here. It's over here. Yeah. 49 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.080 And at part five too, I blew it. I blew 50 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.000 it so I put it over the green had to drop. 51 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.520 Uh was able to get up and down, which was nice. 52 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.000 But great to see Tim outse. I haven't seen him 53 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:31.719 in a long time. 54 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:35.400 Tim is Tim is a very good golfer. He's been 55 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:37.639 playing all his life. And and Tim, you know, he 56 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.280 really gives back. You know, he's been involved for a 57 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.479 lot of years with the first T program here and 58 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.639 here in Utah that that helps young kids get involved 59 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.680 with the game of golf and and and exposing them 60 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.080 to the to the game early on. And and Tim's 61 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.360 been a big proponent of that and and the ahead 62 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.120 of that for for for a while as well. And 63 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.439 and uh it's still acted in that. And it was 64 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.840 good to to hang out with him on the golf course. 65 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.520 And for our listeners that may not be familiar, Tim 66 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:07.759 was the general manager of the Jazz for a few years. 67 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.360 The decade of the ninety Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was 68 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:12.919 there for ten years, ten years ninety to two thousand 69 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.960 and during the so called hey Day and and you know, 70 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.240 and and when the Jazz finished their run and had 71 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.280 won more games than anybody in the NBA during that 72 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.840 ten year run, Tim called the meeting and said, boys, 73 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.360 that's that's all I can do. And uh, you know, 74 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.000 it's up to you. I'm out of here, and walked 75 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.000 out the back door. And then I'm only team I'm 76 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.240 teasing Tim on the air. But he he did a 77 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.039 great job for us, for the for the organization all 78 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:40.560 those years he was involved. Yeah. 79 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:42.719 Yeah, So shout out to sim Alison. Of course, Wes 80 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.560 Rough Hall of Famer Wes R. 81 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.639 Okay, right, Wes is gonna is gonna push back and 82 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:52.639 tell you I was I was honored by the Hall 83 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.439 of Fame. I was not inducted into the Hall of Fame. 84 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.199 He's gonna you know, it's like, but but a great 85 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.039 honor for him and way overdue in my in my opinion, 86 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.960 knowing what Wes has done in the local sports scene 87 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:09.879 forever as well as especially with the with the game 88 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.199 of golf for so long. But you know that that 89 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.680 that kind of reminds me that that the semantics in 90 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.560 the language spence is a little bit like when you 91 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:23.279 and I play golf, I know that there's you taught 92 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:26.680 me a great phrase to use along with my buddy 93 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:28.839 Chris Lino, who told me this a couple of years ago, 94 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.920 said when he when he's walking to the cart off 95 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.319 the green, and he said, there's a difference when the 96 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:39.720 guy tells you I got a five, or he says 97 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:43.920 to you, I'll take a five, and I know that's 98 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.800 that's uh that in the same vein spence, I know 99 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.000 you you walk off a lot of greens and just 100 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.079 yell over and I'll take a four. I'll take it 101 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:51.759 for I. 102 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.240 Feel like I keep my score with integrity. But at 103 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.920 times I'll I'll take a generous drive to maybe give 104 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:57.639 myself a part. 105 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:58.319 But who were. 106 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.639 Supposed to do? Nicholas was one of the one of 107 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.959 the obviously maybe probably the greatest golf ever and he's 108 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.720 I heard him say time and time again over the 109 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.439 years and interviews when people ask him for advice or 110 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:15.079 about the game of golf, he says, people forget that 111 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.560 that first and foremost, it's supposed to be a fun 112 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.879 game that you go out and you enjoy it with 113 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.600 friends and family or new friends or whoever. And you 114 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.079 have fun with it. And people who get all wrapped 115 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.720 up in what their score is or what the technicalities 116 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.399 are when they're playing a fun round, you know, on 117 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.439 on a Saturday morning, or losing sight of what it's 118 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.120 supposed to be all about. You know, yeah, and it's 119 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:43.839 one of the great people to be reminded of that 120 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.079 lesson about right. We had a great time on Friday. 121 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.920 We did fun to hang out with you guys. Thank you, no, 122 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.680 thank you for the invite. Last thing on this and 123 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.600 then we'll move on. Was one thing really changed my. 124 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:58.519 Approach to the game where one of the really good 125 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.839 players I play with, and he said, if you want 126 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.279 to improve, you go to the range. If you want 127 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.319 to improve, you go hit balls. If you want to improve, 128 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.319 you take a lesson. If you want to improve, you 129 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:10.000 grab somebody that can help you understand your swing. We're 130 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:12.240 out here to have a good time. We're not out 131 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.240 there like during the round because you can drive yourself 132 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.439 crazy with every single minute adjustment you feel like you 133 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.319 have to make while you're playing, But then you lose 134 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:22.959 sight of the fact that we're outside for four hours 135 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.519 in the sunshine having a good time. 136 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.879 Spence, you know, me and you know my game, and 137 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:29.920 you know it's it's it's really in the gutter most 138 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:34.199 of the time when I'm standing around over the ball, 139 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:37.600 and all of a sudden, I have eight different things 140 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:42.279 I'm thinking about. I already know that I'm defeated. I 141 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:45.680 already know that I'm only gonna maybe take care of 142 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.319 two of those eight things on this swing, you know. 143 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.319 And and when when that happens, you know you're you 144 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.240 know you're in trouble when you're when you're trying to 145 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:55.000 outthink yourself for sure. 146 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:57.720 All right, well, let's do let's do the jazz stuff 147 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.959 this segment. Then we'll save the NBA playoff stuff for 148 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.399 our second segment. Smid, he's live with us for an hour. 149 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:04.240 Uh. 150 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:06.279 June twenty fifth is right around the corner. Yeah, so 151 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.759 weeks away from the NBA Draft. Uh, I will be 152 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.120 anchoring our coverage with you and Gordy. Can't wait for it. 153 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:12.879 That's gonna be awesome. We're gonna have a good time. 154 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:15.959 What as somebody that were you know, was in these 155 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.480 rooms for basically four decades? What what what's the process 156 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:23.879 like right now? Is weeks before the draft, we're here 157 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:25.920 and so it's kind of go time. What's what's happening 158 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:26.600 to prepare for this? 159 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.720 Yeah, so now Spence uh the the the NBA personnel. 160 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.959 The last few weeks, they've gotten through the UH the 161 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.079 NBA Pre Draft Camp, which is a couple of weeks 162 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.279 ago in Chicago. Following that, then there were a bunch 163 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:45.160 of what we call agent workouts, most of them centered 164 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.920 in two areas in Chicago while they're at the pre 165 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.759 draft camp. Right after that, some agents would organize some 166 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.480 individual workouts for for their their players, their their draft 167 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:01.519 eligible players, and then almost all of that group get 168 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.839 on separate flights and fly to the LA area. And 169 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.040 then they spend last week about a four or five 170 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:14.199 day period prior to the Memorial Day weekend getting going 171 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:21.240 to agent workouts in Thousand Oaks, in Santa Monica, in 172 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:26.560 Huntington Beach, and in various places on north of LA 173 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.839 And they're all in different gyms, and you always they're 174 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.720 coordinating with each other about you know, who's gonna have 175 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.960 a workout at ten in the morning and with their 176 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.000 five guys and all the all the people from the 177 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.320 teams want to be there, and so they don't want 178 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.000 to miss the workout for a guy who's who's working 179 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.879 out in another gym, and so the agent says, well, 180 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.679 we'll do ours at one o'clock. So all you guys 181 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.759 at the ten o'clock workout in Santa Monica can then 182 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.080 jump in your car and get on the four oh 183 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.399 five and drive up the Thousand Oaks and get to 184 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.399 the gym in time for the one o'clock workout there. 185 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.879 And then some of you got to come back to U. C. 186 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:07.960 L A. At four o'clock for the workout that one 187 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:10.720 one agency is going to have with their three guys. 188 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.840 And I mean it's really it's really a jumble, and 189 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.600 sometimes you have to divide your forces because you have 190 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.120 a lot of guys from your organization that are there 191 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:25.879 watching the workouts, maybe conducting some interviews at hotels, sometimes 192 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.200 right there at the gym, you know, on the side 193 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.879 of the gym, while guys are walking out of the gym. 194 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.279 It really becomes a hodgepodge sometimes depending on who's available 195 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:36.840 and who you want to talk to and who you 196 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:39.440 want to reach out to. And then you're also working 197 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:44.399 with the agents at that time about guys they represent 198 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.159 who you may have an interest in bringing to your 199 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:52.759 market for a more full scale workout with your coaches 200 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.080 in tow running the workouts and being able to do 201 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:00.200 interviews and and and do a player profiles and and 202 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.600 those kinds of things. And so they've got all that stuff, 203 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.720 all that so called travel stuff is in the bank. 204 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.639 So now they're starting to invite players uh to their 205 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.320 to their their home market. So the Jazz are working 206 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.559 on scheduling guys to come in for workouts. They're working 207 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:23.000 with other teams, so they're calling their their counterparts in 208 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:27.759 Denver and Phoenix and and Sacramento and Golden State. Hey, 209 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:32.159 you bringing in the kid from Rutgers on Thursday. Can 210 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.840 you send them here on Friday so we can get 211 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.279 a look at them and that kind of thing. So 212 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.159 you're coordinating with the teams as well as coordinating with 213 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.919 the agents. So there's a lot of moving parts. For 214 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.679 a lot of years, our point man on that was 215 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.120 Walt Perrin, who is our vice president player personnel for 216 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.879 a long time, and and Walt was always going crazy 217 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.519 this time of year, mixing and matching and moving all 218 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:59.200 the chess pieces around and and and it never works 219 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:00.960 out the way you want to because a guy always 220 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.759 drops out, or a guy missed a flight, or a 221 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.679 guy twisted his ankle yesterday in Denver and now he 222 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.200 can't work out for you today. And so she got 223 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:12.279 all those moving parts going on. And then add on 224 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:16.600 top of that, you've now got also a contingency that's 225 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:21.240 going to go over to Treviso, Italy in the next 226 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:26.559 week to watch European guys do the same thing that 227 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.080 was done in Chicago here at the NBA pre Draft camp. 228 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:35.200 So the European pre draft camp will be held in Treviso, 229 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.720 which is just outside of Venice, Italy, and a lot 230 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:42.799 of guys trying and draw the long straw so they 231 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.279 can get a trip over Italy for a week to 232 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.639 watch some of the Italian players and get some good food, 233 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.039 you know, in the early June before they're really cranking 234 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.399 out the draft, which, as you mentioned, is the last 235 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:55.440 week of June. 236 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.440 So when it comes to individual workouts, the way teams 237 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.480 handle these workouts, and you know, it was always one 238 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.480 of my favorite things to sit back and watch. I 239 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.000 can remember before Jeff Van Gundhy was the head coach 240 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.480 of the Knicks and was pat Riley's assistant. He was 241 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.720 the you know, he was the honorary chest passer for 242 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.399 these young kids. They'd come in and I remember, I 243 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:19.320 think it was ninety two when the Knicks had a 244 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:20.240 late first round pick. 245 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:21.600 They used it on Hubert Davis. 246 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:24.200 But they worked out Doug Christy and Robert or together, 247 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.759 and I was courtside watching the whole thing. I just 248 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:29.720 thought it was the coolest thing, you know, watching these 249 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.600 things kind of transpire. What are you looking for if 250 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:35.559 you put yourself in the seat of the Utah Jazz. 251 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.240 First of all, as a team with the top five pick, 252 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:42.039 you have doors opened all over the place. Agents want 253 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:43.759 to talk to you, Players want to work out for 254 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.039 you because you have a top five pick. So I 255 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.480 would imagine that opens up avenues and doors that the 256 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.080 Jazz wouldn't have if they were only at twenty one. Right, 257 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.600 So you have a top five pick, people will answer 258 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:56.080 your phone call, they want to talk to you. What 259 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.159 are you trying to accomplish throughout the process of these 260 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:00.799 individual workouts, some player. 261 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.440 Interviews, What are you trying to find out? 262 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:04.679 Most of it's spence. It really has to do with 263 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.440 getting to know the individual player and also doing any 264 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:13.080 follow up in terms of physical uh testing him, making 265 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.919 sure he doesn't have a bad knee or you heard 266 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:19.840 that he played during the season with with a sore back. 267 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:21.600 You want to, you know, want to check on those 268 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.759 things with your medical staff while the they're in town here. 269 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.679 They all go through medical testing in Chicago, so every 270 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:32.279 team gets the exact same reports out of Chicago pre 271 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:35.080 draft camp for all thirty guys. They put it in 272 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.600 a big, big binder. You would have a meeting with 273 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.559 all of your decision makers, with all your your people 274 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.440 within your organization, usually about a week before the draft, 275 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.080 and you and you sit down for a whole evening 276 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:52.759 with your doctors and you go through every player page 277 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:54.679 by page. You start with the a's and you go 278 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.799 all the way through disease, and you go through how 279 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.639 is this guy in Chicago. Yeah, he's okay, he's he's 280 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.440 an orange, he's a red flag depending on how his 281 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.519 physical came out. But when he comes in your market, 282 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:08.799 if there was something, there was a question, then you 283 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.600 have a chance to follow up on that kind of thing. 284 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.960 The workout itself is probably the last thing on the 285 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.279 priority scale of things that you do, because you've been 286 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:22.799 watching him play all year. You watch them in Chicago 287 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.440 with the other guys. The workout you may have. There 288 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:31.159 are specific rules to the workout in your market, So 289 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.639 for example, you cannot work out more than six guys 290 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:38.360 at one time. So the perfect workout is when you 291 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:43.879 have six guys who were all playing similar positions and 292 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.840 all who are are projected to be in a similar 293 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.559 space of the draft. Because now you can you can 294 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:52.000 kind of look at apples to apples and see how 295 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.279 they play against each other. But it's always you're always 296 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:00.440 couch that with, you know, with a degree of aiguity, 297 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.519 because you're not sure, you know, if if what you 298 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.639 see good bad in the middle in a workout is 299 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:08.960 really who the guy is and and and those are 300 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.519 the things that really temper you know, your what you 301 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:16.720 come away with on those Uh you know, we've had uh, 302 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.000 we had Carlos Boozer, who's who was you know, obviously 303 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:23.320 had a terrific career and had great years for the Jazz, 304 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.240 came in for his first workout with us and and 305 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.159 was not very good at all the second round. Yeah, 306 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.879 but but but we we get him in the interview 307 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.120 and we say, hey, uh, Carlos, how was how'd you 308 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:36.720 feel out there in the court. It looked like you 309 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.279 a little sluggish you were you didn't work you know, 310 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.960 it didn't quite what we were expecting, you know, And 311 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:44.440 and he said, well, yeah, I know. I apologize. I 312 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.799 am probably because I don't have a lot of energy today. 313 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:49.600 And we said, is there a reason for that and 314 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.639 you know, or something we should know? And he goes, well, 315 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.519 I don't know. I haven't eaten in twenty four hours, 316 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:59.320 and and we said, when wha you haven't eaten in 317 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.480 twenty four hours? What do you mean? Goes well, I 318 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:03.919 got up yesterday morning and Durham and I had to 319 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.320 get the flight and I don't have I don't have 320 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.120 a credit card, so I don't have any money. And 321 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:13.039 when we traveled with Duke on the road for our games, 322 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.720 we were we were supplied food by by the team, 323 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:20.279 but we're always told that we couldn't we couldn't order 324 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.600 any room service because they weren't allowed to pay for that. 325 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.360 And so so I got here in the hotel and 326 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:28.639 I didn't have a credit card, I don't have any money, 327 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.960 so I haven't we go what are you talking about? 328 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.279 You know? And and so we actually had him come 329 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.000 back for another workout like two weeks later, you know, 330 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:40.639 and Kevin O'Connor told him, look, Carlos, you're going to 331 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:43.519 Golden State tomorrow for another workout. You're going to you 332 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.360 make sure you eat properly, you do all the tuff, 333 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:49.679 and look, if you ever have a problem, here's my 334 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.320 credit card number. You just keep it in your wallet 335 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.519 and charge it to me. He goes, don't don't be 336 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.120 doing that. You're you're you're playing with your career. And 337 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.000 Carlos was just being honest, you know, with the prom. 338 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:02.840 You know, I don't have any money, so I'm not 339 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.680 you know, that's you know, that's just a situation, you know. 340 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:09.440 And so and then you flip the other end and 341 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.480 you have guys like Donovan Mitchell who had a nice 342 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.400 a couple of years at Louisville, nothing spectacular, nothing on 343 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.680 the All American level or anything like that, and he 344 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.079 came in and doesn't work out for us, and and 345 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.480 we're going, okay, all right, hold on, was this like 346 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:33.160 just happened to be his day or is that something 347 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.759 we didn't see at Louisville for whatever the reason, or 348 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.079 are we what we're seeing is that really, you know, 349 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.920 to be believed or so you're you're measuring all those things, 350 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.680 and it's always all over the scale. 351 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:46.640 You know. 352 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.559 Uh, Rudy came in and Rudy had did his workout 353 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.359 three days before the draft, and Rudy had been sick 354 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.799 in the Chicago pre draft camp, so he did not 355 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.960 perform very well. So a lot of teams, you know, 356 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.200 were skeptical about who he was because he was coming 357 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.480 from France and he played on the lower division team 358 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.720 there and maybe he's just seven one, and you know, 359 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.799 it just happens to be tall, but isn't that good 360 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.640 or whatever it is. And he came in and and 361 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.559 for us anyway, you know, really showed that he could 362 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:20.640 move or could run and move his hips and we 363 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.200 thought there was something there and and you know, but 364 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.640 even then, he still slid to twenty seven in the draft, 365 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:31.319 you know, And so these things go all over the scale. 366 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:34.599 You have to have a One of the things you 367 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.599 really need in your room as a team is to 368 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.240 have some guys who have been through that process, you know, 369 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.039 many times, and understand what it is and don't get 370 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.119 caught up and the things that don't look really really 371 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.200 look bad or the things that look really good and 372 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.000 don't get swayed either way. But you have, you know, 373 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.720 some kind of experience doing that kind of thing. Obviously 374 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.880 the Jazz do with with Danny Ainge and guys like 375 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:04.240 Bart Taylor who had been through that for you know, 376 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.200 ten fifteen years now and and have a good handle 377 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.440 on those kind of things. So that's that's the stuff 378 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.480 you're looking for when you get them in, you know, 379 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.720 for a for an on site workout and trying to 380 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.480 figure out, you know, mostly who is this guy and 381 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.039 is he someone that we want to seriously consider adding 382 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:24.440 to our group. 383 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:27.480 Let me follow up about the Donovan workout because it's 384 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.359 one of these chapters in jazz history, in jazz lore 385 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:36.319 that has a lot of tales surrounding it, right, And 386 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:38.559 I can remember I was with the Teams radio station 387 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.880 at the time, and you started hearing things after the 388 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.720 workout where the reports were Dennis Dennis Lindsay, who was 389 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:49.880 running the team at the time, basically told everybody you 390 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.319 do not whisper a word about what we just saw, 391 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:53.920 and if you do, you will lose your job. I 392 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:58.039 don't know if it was that dramatic, but and then 393 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.160 it's interesting because Summer League this year will be up 394 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.160 at the Huntsman Center as they're renovating Delta Center and 395 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:05.519 the last time Summer League was at the Delta Centers 396 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:08.720 when Donovan went head to head against Jason Tatum and 397 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.759 gave it to him, And that's when everybody's like, wait, 398 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.960 wait a second, because Tatum. I mean, I'm not taking 399 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.680 a victory lap. I thought Tatum was the best player 400 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:18.839 in that draft, all due respect to Markel Folks who 401 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.119