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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, we get the

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<v Speaker 1>privilege of talking to Michael today. Michael's an individual that

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to me through email about some interesting things

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<v Speaker 1>that he's had happen over the years, a few encounters

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<v Speaker 1>that he would like to share. So welcome to the show. Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going man?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? Jeremiah, thank you sir. How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great. We just got through a crazy Iowa

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<v Speaker 1>blizzard and we're crossing her fingers at this week next

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<v Speaker 1>weekend doesn't do the same. So you know, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>a good day when I'm able to talk to someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's had a encounter and kind of work through it

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<v Speaker 1>with them. So, you know, I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you have the time to share what you have

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<v Speaker 1>brought today, Michaels, So I'm going to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>give things over to you, and right ahead, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it happened in nineteen seventy six. The only reason

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<v Speaker 2>I know the year was the bi centennial, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge you know, that was on the radio NonStop,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fireworks were excellent that year. I think, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's through the eyes of a child, the fireworks were amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I went to this dude ranch about three

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<v Speaker 2>years in a row, and I think this was the

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<v Speaker 2>last year. That's the only reason I would remember the

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<v Speaker 2>year is to buy centennial. The weird thing is to

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<v Speaker 2>me it happened in Nebraska, and you know, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>used to go to Lake Ococoboji all the time in Iowa,

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<v Speaker 2>so I feel free in the winters. They can get

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<v Speaker 2>really really mad in the Midwest. But it just seems

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<v Speaker 2>really strange that my encounter happened in Nebraska, where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a lot of woodland, but it is predominantly

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<v Speaker 2>open plain. And this was back in the seventies. Omaha

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<v Speaker 2>is so much bigger now, but once you get to

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<v Speaker 2>the outskirts, it's pretty much open fields, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>you have a ton of wheat fields and cornfields. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>the Dude Ranch, you know, back in the seventies, parents

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<v Speaker 2>let their kids do what they did and hopefully they

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<v Speaker 2>survived through the summer, you know, and they didn't mind

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<v Speaker 2>dropping their kids off somewhere for a week or two.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the last summer I was there.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first thing I remember is and when I

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<v Speaker 2>say Dude wrench, it wasn't like a huge, impressive cabin

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<v Speaker 2>made of logs. It was a basic cinder block outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing what you remember from your childhood. I could

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<v Speaker 2>still draw it on paper. It was role basic. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a rectangle. One side was for the boys, the

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<v Speaker 2>other side was for the girls, and then in the

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<v Speaker 2>center is where we would eat and play games and

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<v Speaker 2>have dances and things like that. The first memory I

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<v Speaker 2>have of something just being a little off was I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to the owner's son and it was towards

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<v Speaker 2>the evening and we had just gotten out of they

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<v Speaker 2>had an above ground pool. We had just gotten out

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<v Speaker 2>and we were drying off, and he was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>weird things happening, and he was really vague about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but the sun was setting and he'd just said there

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<v Speaker 2>were odd occurrences going on, and I didn't get much

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<v Speaker 2>out of him, But for some reason, that conversation from

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<v Speaker 2>decades ago stuck with me. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it was just the conversation or something else, but I

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<v Speaker 2>had a real strong feeling of dread that came over us.

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<v Speaker 2>It shouldn't have been there because we were right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the building, and their house was probably fifty

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<v Speaker 2>feet where they lived from the building, so it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like we were in the woods. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>into this day, I still don't know why this sense

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<v Speaker 2>came over me, but it's like, and I know this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't my mind as a kid, it's like it got

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<v Speaker 2>darker quicker, the woods seemed more ominous, and after a

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes that filling subsided and everything was good. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're eight years old, a lifetime ago. When you're eight,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't tend to keep on subject for long and

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<v Speaker 2>changing the subject. After a few minutes it went away.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do remember that probably the leading up to

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<v Speaker 2>the events. Oh pardon me for a moment. One night,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how long I had been there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was probably towards the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks stay. I think it was two weeks. I

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<v Speaker 2>will always remember this for the rest of my days.

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<v Speaker 2>In the middle of the night, one of the girls

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<v Speaker 2>came yelling and screaming into our side, saying she saw

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<v Speaker 2>a big, ugly face in the bathroom window. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>I described the bathrooms, they're real basic affairs, you know, toilets,

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<v Speaker 2>sink in a shower. But the window was placed high

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<v Speaker 2>enough so no one could peer in. I do remember

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<v Speaker 2>the windows being pretty high, off the off the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll go into the topography in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the building in a minute. But she came in and

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<v Speaker 2>she you always heard people say white as a ghost.

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<v Speaker 2>I have never seen anyone white. It's like, it's strange

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<v Speaker 2>to see when someone when all the color has been

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<v Speaker 2>drained from their face. And she came in and she

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<v Speaker 2>was just freaking out, And my first thought was, well,

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<v Speaker 2>she's trying to get one over on us. Guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kids just you do stuff like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I paused for a second and I was studying her,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was scared. She was shaking and white, and

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<v Speaker 2>she just said there was a big, ugly face in

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<v Speaker 2>the window. And you know, we were like a beehive,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're all uh, you know, we went into

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<v Speaker 2>their side. We shouldn't have, but we did. We went

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<v Speaker 2>into the bathroom, didn't see anything. I don't remember smelling

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<v Speaker 2>anything either, And for some stranger we as a reason,

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<v Speaker 2>none of us went outside. We didn't hear anything, no noise, nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>And we got her settled down and we went to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guarantee you one thing when we all woke

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<v Speaker 2>up the next morning. First thing we did, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why we did this, but we went outside

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<v Speaker 2>to the back. And being eight, you know, six feet

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<v Speaker 2>seems tall, but I would, you know, And this is

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<v Speaker 2>a memory that's like forty eight years later, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know memory is not you know, written in stone or steel.

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<v Speaker 2>But we went to the back and behind the building.

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<v Speaker 2>The ground slow down fairly quickly from the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the building, and to me, being eight, we put our

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<v Speaker 2>hands up and we were nowhere close to getting to

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<v Speaker 2>the window, nowhere close. First thing we noticed were the

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<v Speaker 2>muddy handprints. I don't remember it raining it may have,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were muddy prints on either side of the window,

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<v Speaker 2>and from what I remember is they were really big.

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<v Speaker 2>And what really got me is the thumb was misplaced.

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<v Speaker 2>What I saw, the thumb was a cross between a

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<v Speaker 2>human and a chimp. The thumb was further back on

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<v Speaker 2>the palm than a human's is. It was an imposable thumb,

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<v Speaker 2>but that got me. The size. We kind of marveled

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<v Speaker 2>at that, and like most kids that are eight, ten, twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>there were all ages there. We quickly went on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Dude Ranch things. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that Dude Ranch had which I really loved, my mom

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<v Speaker 2>won a horse. And my whole childhood was being around horses,

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<v Speaker 2>caring for them, being in the stable, so I knew

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<v Speaker 2>horses fairly well. When they had horses, you could ride,

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<v Speaker 2>and I I did it so many times I could

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<v Speaker 2>even to this day, decades later, I could still put

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<v Speaker 2>a saddle on a Western style. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 2>got me is that I had to learn that when

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<v Speaker 2>you saddle a horse, they'll puff out their chest because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they liked the saddle being tight. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want to be saddled up and have my lungs,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, clenched. And what they would do is we

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<v Speaker 2>would go on this so it was like a four

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<v Speaker 2>day trek. It was a two day trek out. We'd camp,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd eat with the supplies we had, we'd gather firewood,

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<v Speaker 2>and then two days back. And it was a hard ride.

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<v Speaker 2>And man, there is no pain in riding a horse,

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<v Speaker 2>like eight hours a day. That'll tear you up. And

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<v Speaker 2>the corral was right behind the building, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>like probably twelve horses, and they had a large property

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<v Speaker 2>and the horses were pretty well trained, and they would

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<v Speaker 2>usually masks, you know, in the morning to feed in water.

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<v Speaker 2>When the girl saw the face, I do recall not

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<v Speaker 2>a sound coming from the horses, which which was strange

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<v Speaker 2>because they usually kept them, most of them in the

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<v Speaker 2>corral because a lot of us liked to go ride.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, we got our supplies and we're going on

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<v Speaker 2>our trip and it was you know, July nineteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 2>First night was fine, no issues, no problems at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And the second night is kind of a paradigm shifting event.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few events in a person's life that will

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<v Speaker 2>affect you, like the birth of my son, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>falling in love for the first time. There are moments

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<v Speaker 2>that define you. This moment was just as impactful as

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<v Speaker 2>those were, but not in a good way. And mayan

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<v Speaker 2>ken Are happened on the second night out we were,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a campfire going. There were probably about ten

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<v Speaker 2>to twelve of us. I think there were about two

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<v Speaker 2>or three counselors the ust kids, and we were in

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<v Speaker 2>an open field, but we were right next to a

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<v Speaker 2>wooded area and we were bedding down for the night,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was the strangest, strangest thing. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>a deep sleep and I just happened for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>to wake up. And I've always been that's the only

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<v Speaker 2>superpower I have is I'm a white sleeper. If someone

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<v Speaker 2>opens the door, I'm instantly awake and aware of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. But it's like I woke up, stood up

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<v Speaker 2>and immediately knew where to look. And at first I

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<v Speaker 2>saw someone coming down a hill in the south we

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<v Speaker 2>call them haulers, and then just the low point between

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<v Speaker 2>two hills and it was summer clear sky, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of moonlight, a lot of stars. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of ambient light. And I saw someone walking down the

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<v Speaker 2>hill and I thought, yep, I caught you. I was

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<v Speaker 2>certain as one of the counselors out there to scare us.

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<v Speaker 2>They love to do that to us, so they were

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<v Speaker 2>really good at it. And I'm standing up surrounded, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the campfires. It's got embers going, but it's pretty much dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I stand up and for some reason, I watched, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't yell, didn't say anything, and I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was a counselor, and it stopped, and that's when I

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<v Speaker 2>realized something is really off about this. The first thing

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed were the arms. The arms were way too

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<v Speaker 2>long for a person. That was my first hint that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something ain't right. And second thing I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>was haroll over its body. And you know, as we're

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<v Speaker 2>standing staring at each other, it was going down the hill,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I stood up, it stopped and it's facing

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<v Speaker 2>abnormal thing. We're staring at this thing, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>an utter shock. I I can't say fear. It was

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<v Speaker 2>utter shock. The body it looked like it was thin,

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<v Speaker 2>like a well, it was like a basketball player, but

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<v Speaker 2>thicker than that. It didn't have It wasn't the incredible Hulk.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you hear so often about. This one was much thinner. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The legs were bent a little bit, it was hunched over,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just swinging its arms from side to side.

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<v Speaker 2>The color I don't know if it was dark red,

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<v Speaker 2>dark brown, or black. The only thing I saw was

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect profile of it, and just the way it

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<v Speaker 2>No eyeshine, and I was just rooted to the spot

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<v Speaker 2>and I was in such shock I could all I

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<v Speaker 2>could not move. My body was frozen, and we're just

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<v Speaker 2>the world didn't exist, and I was rooted to the

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<v Speaker 2>spot like a tree. I couldn't utter a single word,

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<v Speaker 2>and it keeps swaying and again, going back to the body. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm jumping around a bit. The torso is a bit

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<v Speaker 2>longer than humans, so besides the long arms, the hair

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere in the swing, another thing was the legs seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to be a little shorter than I would have expected

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<v Speaker 2>on a person, and the torso was more elongated. And

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't skinny. I would say it was real solid,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you had any elongated chimpanzee. The head it

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<v Speaker 2>had fur or hair on it. I didn't see the

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<v Speaker 2>conical head, I didn't see any ears, And we just

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<v Speaker 2>stared at each other for two to three minutes. And

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<v Speaker 2>this thing walks down the slope of the hill into

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<v Speaker 2>the haller and disappears behind thick brush, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how long I was standing up, but eventually I

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<v Speaker 2>laid down. I didn't sleep the rest of the night,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the morning I didn't say a word because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to be teased or made fun of.

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<v Speaker 2>That was, you know, as an eight year old. That

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<v Speaker 2>was my biggest concern, was that. So we saddle up

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<v Speaker 2>to horses and we're heading back, and this part, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what to make of it. But we went

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<v Speaker 2>by a really old shack. It was a really old house.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the roof had fallen down. It was broad daylight.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and the other thing is when before we took off,

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<v Speaker 2>I settled the forest and I went to the haller

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<v Speaker 2>and there was such thick brush. I do remember thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>how could anything go through that without making any noise

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<v Speaker 2>or getting bogged down? The brush was real thick, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear any footfalls or anything. So we're heading back,

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<v Speaker 2>and this point I'm not sure if my brain is

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<v Speaker 2>playing tricks on me or not, because I was so spooked.

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<v Speaker 2>But we went by an old shack. The windows were out,

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<v Speaker 2>and due to where the sun was in the sky,

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<v Speaker 2>the inside of the house was really dark, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were all we were probably like, I don't know, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>feet from this old beat up shack house, whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it, And as we passed it, I

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<v Speaker 2>really got the impression that there were like three kind

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<v Speaker 2>of grayish white, hairy forms in there, and all I

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<v Speaker 2>could see were the backs and heads were bobbing up

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<v Speaker 2>and down like you would see a person eating. But

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you there was no table, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>that shack and that really threw me. And about that time,

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<v Speaker 2>my horse bolted and wouldn't stop. It must have gone

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<v Speaker 2>for a solid half mile, and it stops right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of a throw thorn tree and throws me in

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<v Speaker 2>the thorns. So I don't know if that has if

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<v Speaker 2>that's tied in, you know, if that was my mind

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<v Speaker 2>playing tricks on me. But the horses were well trained,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, well trained enough to to where the owners

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<v Speaker 2>felt comfortable enough having young kids on them. One thing

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<v Speaker 2>to go back a little bit is the morning we

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to go on this, you know, a little

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<v Speaker 2>four day trek, all the horses had jumped the stable

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<v Speaker 2>and it took us hours to go out in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods and bring them back. And I'm certainly not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the world's sign is the question. And I'm certainly no

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<v Speaker 2>horse whisper, but that just seemed like really odd behavior

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<v Speaker 2>to me, that all the horses in a corral would

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<v Speaker 2>jump out and the you know, the height was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was pretty high. In my mind, they

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<v Speaker 2>were motivated to get the heck out of Dodge. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's about it for the horse behavior. Anyways, we

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<v Speaker 2>get back to camp and what's really odd to me

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<v Speaker 2>is the rest of my trip there. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>being afraid. It's like the whole thing was just gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was a defense mechanism. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was. But during the rest of my time there,

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<v Speaker 2>we were in the woods a lot. They didn't worry

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<v Speaker 2>at all. And you know, camp ended went back home

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<v Speaker 2>years ago by we moved them as a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I went deer hunting, I fished all the time, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a single problem. And it wasn't until decades later

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<v Speaker 2>in Arizona that everything came back and we were in Sedona.

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona probably one of the most beautiful places on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the red rocks really beautiful. Of me and

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<v Speaker 2>a girlfriend at the time were staying at oh kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a bed and breakfast like a nice hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they had a the red rocks and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pine trees, and it was a it was summertime.

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<v Speaker 2>And we went down a series of stairs that had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of switchbacks because it was a tall, steep hill,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the bottom there's a hammock for two and

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<v Speaker 2>we're just laying there, you know, just just enjoying the night,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, warm summer night, a lot of ambient light.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear the water in the creek going by,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very very peaceful and relaxing, and the most

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassing thing. While we were there, I just suddenly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like twenty five years later plus, We're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in the hammock just looking up at the stars, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just had this overwhelming feeling like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to die. And I have never been so

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<v Speaker 2>panic stricken as I was in that moment. And I

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<v Speaker 2>told her we got to go, now, we got to go.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the longest flight of stairs that I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever taken in my entire life. The the feeling of

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<v Speaker 2>fear and impending doom was totally overwhelming. It was pure

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<v Speaker 2>fear response. And we got back in U into the

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<v Speaker 2>room and I calmed down, and for some reason, everything

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<v Speaker 2>flooded back, and uh, I just paced around. She sat

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<v Speaker 2>on the bed and I told her exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank thank god. You know, she she believed me because

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<v Speaker 2>that was, you know, really embarrassing. You're you're not to

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<v Speaker 2>have fun, you're young, you know, and then to wig

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<v Speaker 2>out like that. But she was understanding, which I appreciated. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, uh, I don't know why that particular moment,

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<v Speaker 2>since I had been out in the woods hunting and

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<v Speaker 2>fishing so often to this day, I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>know why it took that particular time for that triggering

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<v Speaker 2>event to happen, because I had been out in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, camping growing up in small town Missouri. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what you did back in the eighties, is you you know, hunted, fished,

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<v Speaker 2>and cruised and that was it. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why that environment triggered it, but it did, and I

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<v Speaker 2>immediately started to convince myself it didn't happen. And I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to go with Okham's razor. The simplest solution is

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<v Speaker 2>more often than not the correct that's the way to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's pretty much served me well in life, so

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, okay, nightmare, false memory, mentioning it, you know, misidentification.

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<v Speaker 2>And I literally spent years trying to convince myself that

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<v Speaker 2>this didn't happen. And it was like a major war

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<v Speaker 2>going on inside my brain. I was just utterly doing

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<v Speaker 2>everything possible convince myself it didn't happen, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>it did. I didn't talk about it to anyone for

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<v Speaker 2>probably another twenty years, and you know when I did,

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<v Speaker 2>I immediately got judged, ridiculed and shot down. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like like I don't know if many bear in Nebraska,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the seventies up until now, or they

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<v Speaker 2>just blew it off. And that includes family, and some

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<v Speaker 2>of the family were much harder on me than anyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they I really got mocked for it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I learned to, you know, be be quiet about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know at what point in time in my

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<v Speaker 2>life I finally was able to accept, Okay, this did happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And ever since I could remember it, I haven't gone hunting,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't gone fishing, camping, hiking. You know. My encounters

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<v Speaker 2>were not epic, they were not violent, but they left

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<v Speaker 2>the mark and it took my joy away, or a

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<v Speaker 2>part of it, because I would respectfully suggest to everyone listening,

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<v Speaker 2>and this may sound hypocritical, enjoying nature and getting out

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<v Speaker 2>and getting out of the rat race can be You

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<v Speaker 2>can have the most wonderful, amazing moments of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all very simple. You know, you're enjoying nature,

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<v Speaker 2>you're out with friends. That was taken from me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel really weak minded and feeble. Then it's affected

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<v Speaker 2>me so much when you know, it wasn't like ten

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<v Speaker 2>feet away, it was like sixty feet away. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make out the face, but it was in perfect silhouette.

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<v Speaker 2>And from that moment forward, I watched a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on a YouTube TV. Pretty much everything I watch

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<v Speaker 2>is usually Sasquatch related. And you know, years past that

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<v Speaker 2>relationship ended, and me and my son lived in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona for quite a while, and then we moved to

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<v Speaker 2>a small town in Georgia and we've been here for

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<v Speaker 2>several years now. It's a really small town called Sylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am surrounded by woods. But I had gotten

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<v Speaker 2>used to incorporating this into my mind, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>getting more comfortable. And when I say getting comfortable, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't run as a fiftieth year old man to the

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<v Speaker 2>front door to my car at night. You know, that

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<v Speaker 2>was like a big deal for me. I know it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 2>but for me it was. And then the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so things were going pretty well and then this next

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<v Speaker 2>event that happened. And the only reason I know this

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<v Speaker 2>is on my Facebook. I was going back and it

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<v Speaker 2>was on February fourteenth, I commented on this, so I

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<v Speaker 2>know it was winter and it was another sunny day.

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<v Speaker 2>It was you know, winter, so it was cold, but

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<v Speaker 2>the sun was out. And standing out front of my yard,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surrounded by trees, you know, Georgia a lot of forestland,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking to the left by the propane tank

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<v Speaker 2>and I see two furry legs from like the knees down,

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<v Speaker 2>walking from left to right through the brush.

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<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages.

416
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<v Speaker 2>And I, uh, my jaw dropped and just like the

417
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:55.839
<v Speaker 2>last time I turned towards this thing, and both encounters

418
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<v Speaker 2>there were no uh, no smells, no sounds, nothing. It

419
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:05.079
<v Speaker 2>was like stealth mode. But what got me so I

420
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 2>see these and these were black. This was black hair.

421
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<v Speaker 2>It didn't seem to have massive muscular legs, you know,

422
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>from the knee down. But I clearly saw it through

423
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the clearing of the brush, and it is the strangest thing.

424
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.519
<v Speaker 2>It's takes a few steps and then it stops, and

425
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I can see the legs turned to face me, and

426
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>if I had looked up, I probably would have seen

427
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>more of it. I'm actually glad I didn't. But my

428
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 2>honest opinion is it was like, oh, the ugly, you know,

429
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 2>hairless pink monkey sees me and it immediately turns around

430
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and runs back the way it came. But ed took

431
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 2>off with the burst of speed instantaneously, And I wish

432
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I would have had a device that could have timed

433
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>this thing, because it took two or three steps and

434
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<v Speaker 2>then it was a literal blur. I'm not saying it disappeared.

435
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I am I two encounters. I did not have anything

436
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 2>I've heard about the War of the Wu. Some people

437
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.759
<v Speaker 2>think they're supernatural. Who am I to tell anyone their experience,

438
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 2>But in my opinion, I think they're more supernatural. I

439
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.359
<v Speaker 2>think they're so adapted to their environment and they're so

440
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>adverse in general, you know, to us noticing them, that

441
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>they're able to hide really well, and I think they

442
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>have strength and speed that moments of high stress, and

443
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I know what those high stressed moments are like that

444
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 2>I could perceive that it just disappeared, but I think

445
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 2>it just took off with such a burst of speed.

446
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Now what's really weird is so you know, I've incorporated

447
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.559
<v Speaker 2>this memory into my psyche and I'm, you know, doing okay,

448
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:24.799
<v Speaker 2>and then this happens, and then good lord, then the

449
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 2>house slapping starts. This was like two to three nights later.

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<v Speaker 2>It always happened in the middle of the night, and

451
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it always happened in my son's room, and it wasn't

452
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>really loud, but it was a pretty good impact on

453
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 2>the side of the house. And if I would make

454
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 2>one suggestion to anyone visiting Georgia is do not go

455
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 2>to someone's house between two and three am in the

456
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 2>morning and slapped their house. Because the gun culture is

457
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>big here. I've got guns. You know, it's a very

458
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:10.639
<v Speaker 2>polite and general civilized, you know culture. But when it

459
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.320
<v Speaker 2>comes to your house, you're they're going to shoot first,

460
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.599
<v Speaker 2>and you know they'll they're not going to ask questions.

461
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 2>They'll answer questions from the cop when the corner picks

462
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>you up. And I was like, you know, my first

463
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.119
<v Speaker 2>thought was, well, you know, we've got a deranged deer

464
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>or something that's repeatedly slapping the house. And eventually, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it took me so long, but

466
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>eventually I call the cops and a cop came out

467
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and I did lie to the cop. I got to

468
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:45.440
<v Speaker 2>put that out there. I told the cop. A few

469
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>days ago, I saw someone in a gilly suit. I

470
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>only saw it from the knees down, and it was

471
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>a black gilly suit, which would make no sense. You know,

472
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 2>if you want to hide in the brush, black is

473
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>not going to do it in Georgia. He had a flashlight.

474
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>He searched the area and he didn't see anything. I

475
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't expect him to, but that uh, And I don't

476
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>know how many days this nights. This had got on

477
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 2>before I called the cop, but was really interesting. I

478
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.679
<v Speaker 2>was like, and I asked the cop, listen, I feel threatened.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've got my son and a bonus son

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00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm helping to care for. Also, I feel threatened. You

481
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>know that to me, that's an aggressive display. Am I

482
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:41.159
<v Speaker 2>okay to shoot? And the cop said, well, you got

483
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 2>to feel like you're in danger. But if you feel

484
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>like you're in danger, you can, you know, but just

485
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 2>try to exercise good judgment. And we're talking and I'm

486
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 2>talking about the uh, the house being slammed. What was

487
00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:00.199
<v Speaker 2>real interesting, as the cops said, what I would suggest

488
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>is getting a game cam and or a couple of them.

489
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<v Speaker 2>And we've got two bushes on either side of the

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<v Speaker 2>house and pushing the cameras right, they'll point over the

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00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>yard into the woodline. And he said, you need to

492
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.800
<v Speaker 2>get some game cams and put them up and maybe

493
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:24.239
<v Speaker 2>it'll stop. And I just thought, you know what, I

494
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm talking about, and I think you know

495
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about too. I was really dancing around

496
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 2>because in a small town, the speed of light has

497
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 2>nothing on the gossip mill of a small town. It

498
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 2>exceeds the speed of light by a dozen. And I

499
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to be a laughing stock, so that's why

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00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I lied and said it was a guy in a

501
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.079
<v Speaker 2>gilly suit. But I thought that was real interesting. He

502
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>suggested the game cam, you know that that may stop it,

503
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I think we're on the same wavelength,

504
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 2>but neither of us are going to cop to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Pardon the pun, and my take on it is, and

506
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<v Speaker 2>I have no proof of this. I think it was

507
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 2>a juvenile possibly, and I think it got tip that

508
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>I saw it, and it decided to slap the house

509
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>for a number of nights. You know, just I don't

510
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.400
<v Speaker 2>know what these things are, but I think it wanted

511
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to get a rise out of me. And another thing

512
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>that happened, since I'm such a light sleeper and I'm

513
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>a sofa sleeper, I went slept in the bed for years.

514
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I love sofa so much, but

515
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.039
<v Speaker 2>like right now, I'm looking out. I've got quite a

516
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>few windows in the living room and I'm looking in

517
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the yard. There were several nights where I would wake

518
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>up to filling the impact of heavy footfalls on the ground,

519
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>like real heavy. But what's strange is I felt the impact,

520
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't hear anything. And I'm not saying there's

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00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:11.480
<v Speaker 2>anything supernatural involved. I don't know, but there are several

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00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.639
<v Speaker 2>nights in a row where I was waking up by

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00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:18.360
<v Speaker 2>what I felt the impact on the sofa as I'm sleeping,

524
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and it immediately woke me up, and you know, so

525
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:31.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, time has passed since then. I had one friend.

526
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Her name was Nora. She since passed through COVID, and

527
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were friends and I told her my

528
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.239
<v Speaker 2>story and she handled it well. She said, you know, Michael,

529
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt what you experience, you believe you experienced.

530
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>And I thought, you know what, that is perfect? She said,

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00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I wasn't there, so I cannot tell you

532
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>if what you saw it was an actually adventure not.

533
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:10.519
<v Speaker 2>But I thought there is no better politically correct answer

534
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to give someone than that, just to say, you know,

535
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:20.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's possible. And then time goes by and my

536
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>current girlfriend's I hit the pay dirt with her. She

537
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 2>is amazing. The only thing I questioned her on is

538
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 2>why she is with me, I really do But I

539
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 2>told her about the subject and she was into it also.

540
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I was like, man, I hit the mother lord with us.

541
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<v Speaker 2>This is awesome. And she told me she had an enkilter.

542
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's just amazing that when you talk to people,

543
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:52.320
<v Speaker 2>how it will set off a memory or you know,

544
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 2>someone will say, yeah, this happened to me, or this

545
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>happened you never know. You know, it could be someone

546
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 2>you know giving you a total raft because you're talking

547
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 2>about your experience but maybe they're in denial of what

548
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>they saw or what they experienced. But my girlfriend had

549
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to me this was a real horrific encounter. She lives

550
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 2>hours north of here, and I think she's been in

551
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Georgia her whole life. But she was in I think

552
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the living room, and she noticed a window and two

553
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 2>red eyes were looking in on her. And she was little,

554
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 2>and she immediately freaked out. Who wouldn't you know, glowing

555
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>red eyes are not something you psych yourself up to

556
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.559
<v Speaker 2>see or prepare for. She ran to her room and

557
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 2>told her sister, and her sister came out, and sure enough,

558
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>it was totally dark, but she saw two burning red

559
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:06.119
<v Speaker 2>eyes just looking around and they just tottled in the

560
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 2>room until their I think their parents were out. I

561
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.199
<v Speaker 2>think I don't the story wrong, but they were scared,

562
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think she told her dad, and I think

563
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.880
<v Speaker 2>her dad reasoned it off. And her dad sounds like

564
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a really solid guy, so I don't think he was

565
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:32.679
<v Speaker 2>ignoring her. I think he was just, you know, we

566
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>all have our view of reality and we try to,

567
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, put the square in the square shaped hoole.

568
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why I asked this, but I

569
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 2>always remember from the likeet creeks, you know, that famous thing.

570
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 2>He always follows the creek. And I asked her, I'm

571
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 2>going to guess you had a creek or a river

572
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 2>close by you, Is that right? And she was like yeah.

573
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<v Speaker 2>So it's really amazing to me that you can talk

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<v Speaker 2>to people and a number of times they'll have experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got If you don't mind, I could tell you

576
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 2>a real quick one in Ohio of someone I never

577
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>expected to talk about it. That's okay, it's a bit

578
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 2>more grim.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and my son lived in Statesboro, Arkansas, and it

581
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 2>seems we get all the streets. So he has a friend,

582
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, family life isn't that good. So we take

583
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:40.639
<v Speaker 2>him in and I'm talking to his mom and the

584
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 2>subject came up and she related to me an experience

585
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:50.679
<v Speaker 2>they had. They were in Ohio. I can't remember where.

586
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I wish, I wish I could, but I can't remember

587
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the name of the town. They were on a pro

588
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and the woodline, you know, abutted the property, you know,

589
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 2>within ten twenty feet, and it was evening and they

590
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>had a horses and the fence for the horses came

591
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.400
<v Speaker 2>up pretty close the house and all the horses were there.

592
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>The dog just had some pups. They were all sitting

593
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>out and joining the evening, and they were looking down

594
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 2>on a well worn trail and they caught a perfect

595
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>silhouette of silhouette of something huge and monstrous standing up.

596
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>All they could say had black hair, and the fear

597
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.519
<v Speaker 2>hit them and she just said, you know, quit, get

598
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 2>the dogs in the house, Get in the house. They

599
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 2>get in the house, and they noticed all the horses

600
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>immediately tear off for the other end of the fence line.

601
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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't even want to look and see what

602
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>this thing was or know more about it. She said

603
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:10.639
<v Speaker 2>it was absolutely huge, really tall, dark hair. Limbs were huge.

604
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<v Speaker 2>And she said that a number of days later, nothing

605
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 2>happened at her house. But some friends of theirs had

606
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 2>some chicken farms, and what was happening is they were

607
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 2>losing dozens or scores of chickens and something was getting

608
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:38.280
<v Speaker 2>into the I don't know modern chicken farming techniques, but

609
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<v Speaker 2>I know they have, you know, large buildings they usually

610
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<v Speaker 2>keep them in. And they said their neighbor was complaining

611
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>because they would come out in the morning and he

612
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 2>would have dozens of chickens all around and with their

613
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>necks ripped off or the necks always mangled. Nothing was eaten,

614
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 2>but it was everywhere. So that was another instance. I'm like,

615
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 2>you just never know what you may hear by talking

616
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 2>about it, and hopefully it made her feel a little

617
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:15.679
<v Speaker 2>less nuts about their encounter, because I do think talking

618
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 2>about it it is a good thing. And that's brought

619
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>me up to the here and now and I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>to you big.

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<v Speaker 1>For Society will be right back after these messages, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for sharing what you've experienced over these years,

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<v Speaker 1>some really fascinating accounts. As we were talking before the interview,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hear a lot from Nebraska, and that is

625
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<v Speaker 1>just a really interesting account that you shared. And even

626
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<v Speaker 1>though you know you were saying, you know, it's not

627
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<v Speaker 1>super scary or whatever. The thing. The thing I tend

628
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<v Speaker 1>to focus on is that these encounters are occurring to

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<v Speaker 1>just normal people in normal situations. For you, you were

630
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<v Speaker 1>eight years old at a dude ranch in Nebraska, kind

631
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<v Speaker 1>of like in a summer camp type setting on a

632
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<v Speaker 1>horse trip. There it happened very very interesting stuff. Are

633
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<v Speaker 1>you able to to share Was it more the eastern

634
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<v Speaker 1>side or western side of Nebraska?

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<v Speaker 2>Or you know what I have spent for as the

636
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Speaker 2>million dollar question, Jeremiah, I have spent so much time

637
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 2>perusing the internet because about two miles away we'd walk there.

638
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Speaker 2>They had a rebuilt Western town. It was a few buildings,

639
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 2>but they had a saloon the kids would go in

640
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and they had soft drinks, ice cream. And I have

641
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 2>looked at every picture of every small Western town and

642
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:21.480
<v Speaker 2>recreation and I cannot find it. It's lost to the

643
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 2>sands of time. All I know is my parents must

644
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>have really wanted to get rid of me for two

645
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<v Speaker 2>weeks because we were in Omaha and it was like,

646
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to estimate like a four hour drive. And

647
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<v Speaker 2>even though Omaha is pretty open, there is woodland, and

648
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I could see where these things could travel at night,

649
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, bed down during the day and not be

650
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 2>seen because there is a lot there's open land, but

651
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:03.639
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of it sparsely populated. So all I

652
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 2>know roughly, and I've even scoured maps hoping to find

653
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you of something that happened, you know, God, forty eight

654
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 2>years ago. God, I'm fifty six, I'm old, and I

655
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.599
<v Speaker 2>cannot find anything on it. Now.

656
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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a mystery that listeners can try to

657
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<v Speaker 1>solve is where's the missing dude Ranch in Nebraska? That

658
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<v Speaker 1>would have been about a four hour drive from Omaha,

659
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and you know the timeframe, so yeah, that's could be.

660
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, interesting dude ranch photos. I've tried to pull up

661
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 2>dude Ranch seventies Omaha and you know, or just Nebraska.

662
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>The building itself wasn't big and it was cinder block.

663
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if the land has been cleared, you know,

664
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's been decades later. But if I knew

665
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>where it was, I would literally save my money and

666
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 2>take a trip just to go back there. And I

667
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<v Speaker 2>have no idea why I would engage in like a

668
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:16.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty hour drive, but for some reason, I guess it

669
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:21.199
<v Speaker 2>would just be completing the circle. It's like, I'm still

670
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 2>here and my encounter was a violent Thank God. There's

671
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot more hair raising stories, but I do think

672
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 2>it does leave an indelible mark on each person because

673
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:42.159
<v Speaker 2>it is a really paradigm shifting event. You know, as

674
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<v Speaker 2>I said, the birth of my son, one moment the world,

675
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:54.559
<v Speaker 2>your worldview is facing south, and the next minute your

676
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<v Speaker 2>worldview is north. And operating that for me has probably

677
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<v Speaker 2>been the biggest challenge. I don't doubt myself more. I

678
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:15.880
<v Speaker 2>know it happened. I would just hope all your listeners

679
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.039
<v Speaker 2>would realize. And I don't think I'm special, you know,

680
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't chosen to see this. Honestly, I wish it

681
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 2>happened either time, but it did. I would just hope

682
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>that they would feel comfortable to come forward and talk

683
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>about it, because this it has been cathartic, you know,

684
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about it. It really does help.

685
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<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad you brought that up because that was

686
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<v Speaker 1>actually something that I was going to ask you. Is

687
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<v Speaker 1>you know that you've you've been through so much ridicule

688
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and people mocking and even close family members have been

689
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the worst, and you know why you start sharing now,

690
00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:01.719
<v Speaker 1>But you just answered yourself. It's uh, it's very helpful

691
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 1>in your personal situation to go through it.

692
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<v Speaker 2>And I've always told my son and this is a

693
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>bitter pill for everybody, but I think everyone you know

694
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 2>grasped this concept. Just because someone is blood does not

695
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>mean their family, and just because they're not blood does

696
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>not mean they cannot be family. Does that make sense?

697
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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the smart I mean, that's one of

698
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the best lessons you can learn to be honest.

699
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and decades. But I am the I am

700
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the smartest dumb person out there. I'm very well book read,

701
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's about it. For practical application of knowledge, I'm

702
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:46.800
<v Speaker 2>a total loss.

703
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm right there with you, friend.

704
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm really curious about your thought on this. And it's

705
00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:00.320
<v Speaker 2>the million dollar question. Everyone asks what you know, because

706
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>your knowledge is a lot broader than mine. What do

707
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.559
<v Speaker 2>you think these things are? And I know there's a

708
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.559
<v Speaker 2>million a million people have a million different answers. There's

709
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 2>no right one, there's no experts. And if someone claims

710
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:18.039
<v Speaker 2>to please run for the holes, too many of them

711
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 2>out there. They're just curious. And I don't mean to

712
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:24.559
<v Speaker 2>spout I hope it's okay to ask that. I'm just curious.

713
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.000
<v Speaker 2>To me, they're they're flesh and blood and they're not

714
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to be trusted. I really don't like how they seem

715
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>to take an interest in children, and I've heard enough

716
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>negative encounters to where they're out there my experiences. They're

717
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.960
<v Speaker 2>flesh and blood. That's all I know. But I I

718
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 2>would not trust one as far as I could throw one,

719
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>which is no.

720
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a really interesting question. It is the

721
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the thing that does always get brought up. And it's

722
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:09.800
<v Speaker 1>so interesting because as you get involved with things and

723
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe start to go places and experience things and read

724
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and talk to people, this can all change. But I

725
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>would say right now, you know, I am looking at

726
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>it through it is some It is a physical being,

727
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>but that has some really interesting abilities that science might

728
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:36.719
<v Speaker 1>not know how to wrap its mind around, except for

729
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:42.719
<v Speaker 1>if it's fringe science. And that can change in the

730
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.480
<v Speaker 1>future as I'm going through things before. If you're to

731
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 1>ask me today which you are, that that is what

732
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 1>is going to is going to be said. Now I

733
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 1>can hear what you're saying there. It's so interesting. There's

734
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.679
<v Speaker 1>so many stories and accounts out there, and you know,

735
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you do have things that are similar to like what

736
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 1>you've said. But on the other hand, there are also

737
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:13.800
<v Speaker 1>some accounts where you have the the young child that

738
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:18.079
<v Speaker 1>was found after being alone in the woods for days

739
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 1>and says something to the effect of the kind teddy bear,

740
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, save me. That kind of thing that makes

741
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you wonder, right.

742
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.000
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't if my memory serves that was in the winter.

743
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Bears are hibernating in the winner and one wa except

744
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:42.800
<v Speaker 2>from its torpor. I'm thinking that it's going to see

745
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a child as a food source. I would have loved

746
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.199
<v Speaker 2>to have been there and shown that child pictures. I

747
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 2>don't want to. I wouldn't want to traumatize the poor kid.

748
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:57.360
<v Speaker 2>But I well put pictures of bears, bison and then

749
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 2>go to like gorillas and monkeys and see what did

750
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the pair look like? You know? And Uh, I am

751
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the biggest hypocrite, or I used to be at one

752
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:11.880
<v Speaker 2>time because whenever I heard WU, I ran for the hills.

753
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:19.159
<v Speaker 2>But I'm slowly beginning to think maybe there's something more

754
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.440
<v Speaker 2>more to these things. Then, as you said, perfectly, science

755
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 2>uh is unable to uh happen right now? Uh? I

756
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 2>remember the uh North American Wood Ape Conservancies. Did you

757
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 2>hear about tag number seve them? Oh?

758
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that's a that's a great report people can

759
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.679
<v Speaker 1>read on on their website. Yeah, it's fantastic.

760
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And they didn't have all the data points, but

761
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 2>they took it to biologists and the biologists just mirrored it,

762
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, you know, it was on the low

763
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 2>end of data data points. That amazes me that with

764
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 2>all the history that it just are so shut off

765
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:09.199
<v Speaker 2>to it, except like Bender, nagele Meldrum and either of

766
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:15.159
<v Speaker 2>this is the greatest hoax of mankind. Patterson, Gimwood would

767
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:19.000
<v Speaker 2>have nothing. You know, this has been going on for

768
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:25.559
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of years. The ancient pictographs of I believe a bigfoot,

769
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a female and a young one on a cave somewhere.

770
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.599
<v Speaker 2>And it seems like every well not every, but so

771
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:38.159
<v Speaker 2>many native tribes have names, have stories good, some are bad.

772
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:41.880
<v Speaker 2>And I really like the old historical accounts of like

773
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:46.880
<v Speaker 2>from the eighteen hundreds, and I'm like you the cabal

774
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.480
<v Speaker 2>of people that are putting on the biggest hoax. So

775
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 2>there's something to it, and I just I tend to

776
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.360
<v Speaker 2>go that there is something going on, and to me,

777
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 2>there's enough evidence. I wish science would turn to it.

778
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.840
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I don't know if they don't know

779
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:10.320
<v Speaker 2>about these things, and just revealing that I would love

780
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and know the reason if they're holding that secret, why

781
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:16.679
<v Speaker 2>they're holding on to it.

782
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>It would be really interesting. I think most listeners are

783
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 1>right there with you, but you know, there's a few

784
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>other Yeah, there's a there's another question that I did

785
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:32.199
<v Speaker 1>want to ask you. That muddy handprint is really interesting.

786
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen another handprint, Like, is this anything

787
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>where you've studied to see if you can find anything

788
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 1>similar to that or.

789
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, really interesting question, and I have not. I've

790
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.119
<v Speaker 2>seen nature shows like on chimps and things like that,

791
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 2>or like gorillas, and I've noticed the hands part of

792
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that still disturbs me. And I think that's maybe why

793
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to this day, I still haven't researched that, because that

794
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.840
<v Speaker 2>handprint was just real eerie, the sheer size of it

795
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and the s placement was just wrong. That's the best

796
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:22.920
<v Speaker 2>word I could use it. It was wrong. And wow. Yeah,

797
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 2>part of me thinks their abominations, and a bigger part

798
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:32.000
<v Speaker 2>of me is it's in the unknown category. Everything is

799
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.840
<v Speaker 2>speculation on these things, even the Patterson Gimlin film, you know,

800
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 2>film one hundred people have one hundred different views on it.

801
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 2>The one thing I think that makes it legit, you know,

802
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and this is just my own opinion, is when Patty walks,

803
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 2>there's like a couple of frames where you see the

804
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:02.559
<v Speaker 2>impact tremor running from this calf to the thigh. And

805
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't see how an iact muscula sure impact shremor

806
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:14.559
<v Speaker 2>could be duplicated. Back in sixty seven, when the best

807
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:16.360
<v Speaker 2>thing they had were pointed to the apes.

808
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:25.199
<v Speaker 1>It is one of those pieces of information that does

809
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:29.679
<v Speaker 1>get brought up quite a bit. And yeah, that is

810
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 1>a whole conversation in itself, but you know, my friend

811
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan easily brings that up a lot where you know,

812
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:43.199
<v Speaker 1>look at the muscles moving when it moves in that film.

813
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:49.159
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty incredible. Reminds me when you saw the one

814
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:55.320
<v Speaker 1>move away down the hill and then into the haller

815
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and then into the brush. I believe did you notice

816
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:04.519
<v Speaker 1>any in interesting movements that were that seemed unique while

817
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:06.199
<v Speaker 1>you were watching it or was it just a little

818
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.679
<v Speaker 1>bit too far away to notice those details.

819
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:13.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it was about sixty feet, so for me it

820
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 2>was really close, closer I ever wanted to be. I didn't.

821
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask to see this. It did glide. It

822
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.239
<v Speaker 2>was like going down an escalator. It was so smooth.

823
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 2>It was like a piece of silk and a light breeze,

824
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:41.599
<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense. It was very smooth and fluid,

825
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and it was like going down an escalator. And you know,

826
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:51.920
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't false. So the ground there was no well

827
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 2>there was no tree debris to make noises. But I

828
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't hear a tree snap or anything. Didn't smell anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you asked that because I forgot to mention that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it moved really smooth it. It didn't move

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<v Speaker 2>like a The proportions were way off, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>move like a human did. It was like on an escalator,

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<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely does make sense. It's nothing that I've seen myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but it fits with the other accounts I've heard. But

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you described it with the piece of

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<v Speaker 1>silk is just really helps you imagine it even even more,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for someone like myself who hasn't experienced that personally.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is extremely extremely interesting and just also to

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<v Speaker 1>verify when you got back to the dude ranch, this

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<v Speaker 1>was not discussed at all with anyone, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all. And I don't know. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>blocked it out, uh because I honestly feel like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>within a day or two I went about my you know,

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<v Speaker 2>typical eight year old stuff, doing things that a dude

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<v Speaker 2>ranch in the woods. But I never said a word

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<v Speaker 2>because my first and biggest thought is I going to

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<v Speaker 2>get teased so bad? How would I how to even

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<v Speaker 2>explain what happened? I I, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what I believe in no, no, I know saw squatcher

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<v Speaker 2>out there. I've seen two of them, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what they are. And the first big thing is

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to be teased or ridicule culed, and

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<v Speaker 2>the second one at the time, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>would have been able to verbalize what I saw. And

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<v Speaker 2>what gets me is how it's so amazing how the

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<v Speaker 2>mind works that you could totally block it off for

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<v Speaker 2>years until some triggering event. And I don't like to

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<v Speaker 2>use the word PTSD because I feel like that's disrespectful

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<v Speaker 2>to service members, but I think it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a form of that. I think I had blocked it

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<v Speaker 2>off and for whatever reason, decades later, the particular event

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01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:33.880
<v Speaker 2>triggered it became crashing back. Have you had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people that have had that? Is that a rare

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<v Speaker 2>thing with people that have encountered or I haven't really

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<v Speaker 2>heard anything from what I've listened to, which bothers me.

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<v Speaker 2>But have you heard of that a couple of times?

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely have talked to a few people where they have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, gone under hypnosis like no therapy, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to remember more of what they experience. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of a conversation I just had. There are times

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<v Speaker 1>where people, you know, it's almost they go through so

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<v Speaker 1>much trauma related that their their mind suppresses it and

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<v Speaker 1>then something like hypnotherapy brings it back out, which is

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. Also, the other interesting thing is that the

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<v Speaker 1>area you were, Sedona, is really known for some unique things,

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<v Speaker 1>especially related to energy, and it almost makes me wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if maybe just because you were in the area of

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<v Speaker 1>Sedona that had something to do with it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that's one of those, you know, hypotheticals.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I do feel if I hit the power ball,

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01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:50.800
<v Speaker 2>we are going to have a house in Georgia and

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<v Speaker 2>in Sidona. It's the most beautiful place on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do agree, and I felt it. I you know,

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01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 2>never had any paranormal experiences in Sedona, but I loved

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01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.360
<v Speaker 2>it so much because, uh I just felt energized spiritually.

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01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:16.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm I'm a Christian. Uh So I'm not you know,

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01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not into crystals or something like that. That's if

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<v Speaker 2>you are, that's fine, you know, but there was something

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01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:29.800
<v Speaker 2>there for me that, uh it was a real positive place.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time I went there, I just felt energized and

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01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.400
<v Speaker 2>it stayed with me for you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks until I could go back up there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's extremely interesting. Yeah, there's definitely you're you're the way

895
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:53.920
<v Speaker 1>your worldview definitely affects how you view these these things

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01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.800
<v Speaker 1>that happened to you. That is, it's really an understatement

897
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:01.000
<v Speaker 1>because some of these, you know, when you have these encounters,

898
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:05.960
<v Speaker 1>there can be long lasting effects from them, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is outside of you know, potential PTSD. But Michael, it

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<v Speaker 1>has been just a pleasure talking to you today. Thank

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01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.760
<v Speaker 1>you for coming on the show and for sharing what

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01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:23.719
<v Speaker 1>you experienced at different times of your life over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you for letting me talk at this feel

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<v Speaker 2>good talking about it to this extent, because well I

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01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:36.599
<v Speaker 2>really don't talk about it anymore, but when I did,

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01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:40.880
<v Speaker 2>it was the cliff notes version, the you know, single paragraph,

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<v Speaker 2>three sentence form. So I appreciate you listening to me

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01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.320
<v Speaker 2>because it does feel good talking about it. For whatever

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01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:53.119
<v Speaker 2>reason it does makes me. It's made me feel better today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to hear that. And if you ever, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>need any other help with anything related to this topic,

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01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you feel free to reach out and I'll do the

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<v Speaker 1>most I can to try to help you. So but

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<v Speaker 1>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for sending an email as Ben. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>fun talking to you today.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, me too, And take care and be safe out

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<v Speaker 2>there and if you want to see you when, I

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<v Speaker 2>truly hope you have an encounter that's being on and

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<v Speaker 2>is a positive one.

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<v Speaker 1>Just want to take a few minutes to say thank

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