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Speaker 1: with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, we get the
Speaker 1: privilege of talking to Michael today. Michael's an individual that
Speaker 1: reached out to me through email about some interesting things
Speaker 1: that he's had happen over the years, a few encounters
Speaker 1: that he would like to share. So welcome to the show. Michael.
Speaker 1: How's it going man?
Speaker 2: Good? Jeremiah, thank you sir. How are you doing today?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. We just got through a crazy Iowa
Speaker 1: blizzard and we're crossing her fingers at this week next
Speaker 1: weekend doesn't do the same. So you know, it's always
Speaker 1: a good day when I'm able to talk to someone
Speaker 1: who's had a encounter and kind of work through it
Speaker 1: with them. So, you know, I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that you have the time to share what you have
Speaker 1: brought today, Michaels, So I'm going to go ahead and
Speaker 1: give things over to you, and right ahead, my friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened in nineteen seventy six. The only reason
Speaker 2: I know the year was the bi centennial, and that
Speaker 2: was a huge you know, that was on the radio NonStop,
Speaker 2: and the fireworks were excellent that year. I think, whether
Speaker 2: it's through the eyes of a child, the fireworks were amazing.
Speaker 2: So and I went to this dude ranch about three
Speaker 2: years in a row, and I think this was the
Speaker 2: last year. That's the only reason I would remember the
Speaker 2: year is to buy centennial. The weird thing is to
Speaker 2: me it happened in Nebraska, and you know, well, we
Speaker 2: used to go to Lake Ococoboji all the time in Iowa,
Speaker 2: so I feel free in the winters. They can get
Speaker 2: really really mad in the Midwest. But it just seems
Speaker 2: really strange that my encounter happened in Nebraska, where you know,
Speaker 2: there is a lot of woodland, but it is predominantly
Speaker 2: open plain. And this was back in the seventies. Omaha
Speaker 2: is so much bigger now, but once you get to
Speaker 2: the outskirts, it's pretty much open fields, and of course
Speaker 2: you have a ton of wheat fields and cornfields. Anyways,
Speaker 2: the Dude Ranch, you know, back in the seventies, parents
Speaker 2: let their kids do what they did and hopefully they
Speaker 2: survived through the summer, you know, and they didn't mind
Speaker 2: dropping their kids off somewhere for a week or two.
Speaker 2: I think it was the last summer I was there.
Speaker 2: And the first thing I remember is and when I
Speaker 2: say Dude wrench, it wasn't like a huge, impressive cabin
Speaker 2: made of logs. It was a basic cinder block outfit.
Speaker 2: It's amazing what you remember from your childhood. I could
Speaker 2: still draw it on paper. It was role basic. It
Speaker 2: was a rectangle. One side was for the boys, the
Speaker 2: other side was for the girls, and then in the
Speaker 2: center is where we would eat and play games and
Speaker 2: have dances and things like that. The first memory I
Speaker 2: have of something just being a little off was I
Speaker 2: was talking to the owner's son and it was towards
Speaker 2: the evening and we had just gotten out of they
Speaker 2: had an above ground pool. We had just gotten out
Speaker 2: and we were drying off, and he was talking about
Speaker 2: weird things happening, and he was really vague about it,
Speaker 2: but the sun was setting and he'd just said there
Speaker 2: were odd occurrences going on, and I didn't get much
Speaker 2: out of him, But for some reason, that conversation from
Speaker 2: decades ago stuck with me. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was just the conversation or something else, but I
Speaker 2: had a real strong feeling of dread that came over us.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't have been there because we were right in
Speaker 2: front of the building, and their house was probably fifty
Speaker 2: feet where they lived from the building, so it's not
Speaker 2: like we were in the woods. But for some reason,
Speaker 2: into this day, I still don't know why this sense
Speaker 2: came over me, but it's like, and I know this
Speaker 2: isn't my mind as a kid, it's like it got
Speaker 2: darker quicker, the woods seemed more ominous, and after a
Speaker 2: few minutes that filling subsided and everything was good. You know,
Speaker 2: when you're eight years old, a lifetime ago. When you're eight,
Speaker 2: you don't tend to keep on subject for long and
Speaker 2: changing the subject. After a few minutes it went away.
Speaker 2: But I do remember that probably the leading up to
Speaker 2: the events. Oh pardon me for a moment. One night,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how long I had been there.
Speaker 2: I think it was probably towards the end of the
Speaker 2: two weeks stay. I think it was two weeks. I
Speaker 2: will always remember this for the rest of my days.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, one of the girls
Speaker 2: came yelling and screaming into our side, saying she saw
Speaker 2: a big, ugly face in the bathroom window. Now, when
Speaker 2: I described the bathrooms, they're real basic affairs, you know, toilets,
Speaker 2: sink in a shower. But the window was placed high
Speaker 2: enough so no one could peer in. I do remember
Speaker 2: the windows being pretty high, off the off the ground,
Speaker 2: and I'll go into the topography in the back of
Speaker 2: the building in a minute. But she came in and
Speaker 2: she you always heard people say white as a ghost.
Speaker 2: I have never seen anyone white. It's like, it's strange
Speaker 2: to see when someone when all the color has been
Speaker 2: drained from their face. And she came in and she
Speaker 2: was just freaking out, And my first thought was, well,
Speaker 2: she's trying to get one over on us. Guys, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, kids just you do stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: then I paused for a second and I was studying her,
Speaker 2: and she was scared. She was shaking and white, and
Speaker 2: she just said there was a big, ugly face in
Speaker 2: the window. And you know, we were like a beehive,
Speaker 2: you know, we're all uh, you know, we went into
Speaker 2: their side. We shouldn't have, but we did. We went
Speaker 2: into the bathroom, didn't see anything. I don't remember smelling
Speaker 2: anything either, And for some stranger we as a reason,
Speaker 2: none of us went outside. We didn't hear anything, no noise, nothing,
Speaker 2: And we got her settled down and we went to bed.
Speaker 2: And I guarantee you one thing when we all woke
Speaker 2: up the next morning. First thing we did, and I
Speaker 2: don't know why we did this, but we went outside
Speaker 2: to the back. And being eight, you know, six feet
Speaker 2: seems tall, but I would, you know, And this is
Speaker 2: a memory that's like forty eight years later, and I
Speaker 2: know memory is not you know, written in stone or steel.
Speaker 2: But we went to the back and behind the building.
Speaker 2: The ground slow down fairly quickly from the back of
Speaker 2: the building, and to me, being eight, we put our
Speaker 2: hands up and we were nowhere close to getting to
Speaker 2: the window, nowhere close. First thing we noticed were the
Speaker 2: muddy handprints. I don't remember it raining it may have,
Speaker 2: but there were muddy prints on either side of the window,
Speaker 2: and from what I remember is they were really big.
Speaker 2: And what really got me is the thumb was misplaced.
Speaker 2: What I saw, the thumb was a cross between a
Speaker 2: human and a chimp. The thumb was further back on
Speaker 2: the palm than a human's is. It was an imposable thumb,
Speaker 2: but that got me. The size. We kind of marveled
Speaker 2: at that, and like most kids that are eight, ten, twelve,
Speaker 2: there were all ages there. We quickly went on, you know,
Speaker 2: with the Dude Ranch things. And one of the things
Speaker 2: that Dude Ranch had which I really loved, my mom
Speaker 2: won a horse. And my whole childhood was being around horses,
Speaker 2: caring for them, being in the stable, so I knew
Speaker 2: horses fairly well. When they had horses, you could ride,
Speaker 2: and I I did it so many times I could
Speaker 2: even to this day, decades later, I could still put
Speaker 2: a saddle on a Western style. The only thing that
Speaker 2: got me is that I had to learn that when
Speaker 2: you saddle a horse, they'll puff out their chest because
Speaker 2: I don't think they liked the saddle being tight. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to be saddled up and have my lungs,
Speaker 2: you know, clenched. And what they would do is we
Speaker 2: would go on this so it was like a four
Speaker 2: day trek. It was a two day trek out. We'd camp,
Speaker 2: we'd eat with the supplies we had, we'd gather firewood,
Speaker 2: and then two days back. And it was a hard ride.
Speaker 2: And man, there is no pain in riding a horse,
Speaker 2: like eight hours a day. That'll tear you up. And
Speaker 2: the corral was right behind the building, and they had
Speaker 2: like probably twelve horses, and they had a large property
Speaker 2: and the horses were pretty well trained, and they would
Speaker 2: usually masks, you know, in the morning to feed in water.
Speaker 2: When the girl saw the face, I do recall not
Speaker 2: a sound coming from the horses, which which was strange
Speaker 2: because they usually kept them, most of them in the
Speaker 2: corral because a lot of us liked to go ride.
Speaker 2: So anyways, we got our supplies and we're going on
Speaker 2: our trip and it was you know, July nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 2: First night was fine, no issues, no problems at all.
Speaker 2: And the second night is kind of a paradigm shifting event.
Speaker 2: There's a few events in a person's life that will
Speaker 2: affect you, like the birth of my son, you know,
Speaker 2: falling in love for the first time. There are moments
Speaker 2: that define you. This moment was just as impactful as
Speaker 2: those were, but not in a good way. And mayan
Speaker 2: ken Are happened on the second night out we were,
Speaker 2: we had a campfire going. There were probably about ten
Speaker 2: to twelve of us. I think there were about two
Speaker 2: or three counselors the ust kids, and we were in
Speaker 2: an open field, but we were right next to a
Speaker 2: wooded area and we were bedding down for the night,
Speaker 2: and it was the strangest, strangest thing. I was in
Speaker 2: a deep sleep and I just happened for some reason
Speaker 2: to wake up. And I've always been that's the only
Speaker 2: superpower I have is I'm a white sleeper. If someone
Speaker 2: opens the door, I'm instantly awake and aware of what's
Speaker 2: going on. But it's like I woke up, stood up
Speaker 2: and immediately knew where to look. And at first I
Speaker 2: saw someone coming down a hill in the south we
Speaker 2: call them haulers, and then just the low point between
Speaker 2: two hills and it was summer clear sky, a lot
Speaker 2: of moonlight, a lot of stars. There was a lot
Speaker 2: of ambient light. And I saw someone walking down the
Speaker 2: hill and I thought, yep, I caught you. I was
Speaker 2: certain as one of the counselors out there to scare us.
Speaker 2: They love to do that to us, so they were
Speaker 2: really good at it. And I'm standing up surrounded, you know,
Speaker 2: the campfires. It's got embers going, but it's pretty much dead.
Speaker 2: I stand up and for some reason, I watched, but
Speaker 2: I didn't yell, didn't say anything, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was a counselor, and it stopped, and that's when I
Speaker 2: realized something is really off about this. The first thing
Speaker 2: I noticed were the arms. The arms were way too
Speaker 2: long for a person. That was my first hint that
Speaker 2: you know, something ain't right. And second thing I noticed
Speaker 2: was haroll over its body. And you know, as we're
Speaker 2: standing staring at each other, it was going down the hill,
Speaker 2: and when I stood up, it stopped and it's facing
Speaker 2: me and its shoulders are hunched forward a little bit
Speaker 2: and it swaying from side to side. And I'm like, first,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, who does that? I don't know of anyone
Speaker 2: who who does that. You know that that's the most
Speaker 2: abnormal thing. We're staring at this thing, and I am
Speaker 2: an utter shock. I I can't say fear. It was
Speaker 2: utter shock. The body it looked like it was thin,
Speaker 2: like a well, it was like a basketball player, but
Speaker 2: thicker than that. It didn't have It wasn't the incredible Hulk.
Speaker 2: Uh you hear so often about. This one was much thinner. Uh.
Speaker 2: The legs were bent a little bit, it was hunched over,
Speaker 2: and it was just swinging its arms from side to side.
Speaker 2: The color I don't know if it was dark red,
Speaker 2: dark brown, or black. The only thing I saw was
Speaker 2: a perfect profile of it, and just the way it
Speaker 2: swayed was so eerie. There was no eyeshine, no smell.
Speaker 2: The one interesting thing to me is the horses did
Speaker 2: not have a problem. And I still can't explain that.
Speaker 2: I would think something like this would under every animal
Speaker 2: in the area, but it didn't. And we're just staring
Speaker 2: at each other.
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Speaker 2: No eyeshine, and I was just rooted to the spot
Speaker 2: and I was in such shock I could all I
Speaker 2: had to do was yell out, and I would have
Speaker 2: had ten or twelve people up around me immediately. I
Speaker 2: could not move. My body was frozen, and we're just
Speaker 2: staring at each other. And I feel, honestly like it
Speaker 2: was for like two or three minutes, and I was
Speaker 2: so mesmerized. It's like this thing had I had tunnel vision,
Speaker 2: and this thing had my full attention. The rest of
Speaker 2: the world didn't exist, and I was rooted to the
Speaker 2: spot like a tree. I couldn't utter a single word,
Speaker 2: and it keeps swaying and again, going back to the body. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm jumping around a bit. The torso is a bit
Speaker 2: longer than humans, so besides the long arms, the hair
Speaker 2: everywhere in the swing, another thing was the legs seemed
Speaker 2: to be a little shorter than I would have expected
Speaker 2: on a person, and the torso was more elongated. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't skinny. I would say it was real solid,
Speaker 2: like if you had any elongated chimpanzee. The head it
Speaker 2: had fur or hair on it. I didn't see the
Speaker 2: conical head, I didn't see any ears, And we just
Speaker 2: stared at each other for two to three minutes. And
Speaker 2: this thing walks down the slope of the hill into
Speaker 2: the haller and disappears behind thick brush, and I don't
Speaker 2: know how long I was standing up, but eventually I
Speaker 2: laid down. I didn't sleep the rest of the night,
Speaker 2: and in the morning I didn't say a word because
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be teased or made fun of.
Speaker 2: That was, you know, as an eight year old. That
Speaker 2: was my biggest concern, was that. So we saddle up
Speaker 2: to horses and we're heading back, and this part, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what to make of it. But we went
Speaker 2: by a really old shack. It was a really old house.
Speaker 2: Part of the roof had fallen down. It was broad daylight.
Speaker 2: Oh and the other thing is when before we took off,
Speaker 2: I settled the forest and I went to the haller
Speaker 2: and there was such thick brush. I do remember thinking,
Speaker 2: how could anything go through that without making any noise
Speaker 2: or getting bogged down? The brush was real thick, but
Speaker 2: I didn't hear any footfalls or anything. So we're heading back,
Speaker 2: and this point I'm not sure if my brain is
Speaker 2: playing tricks on me or not, because I was so spooked.
Speaker 2: But we went by an old shack. The windows were out,
Speaker 2: and due to where the sun was in the sky,
Speaker 2: the inside of the house was really dark, and we
Speaker 2: were all we were probably like, I don't know, eighty
Speaker 2: feet from this old beat up shack house, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, And as we passed it, I
Speaker 2: really got the impression that there were like three kind
Speaker 2: of grayish white, hairy forms in there, and all I
Speaker 2: could see were the backs and heads were bobbing up
Speaker 2: and down like you would see a person eating. But
Speaker 2: I guarantee you there was no table, you know, in
Speaker 2: that shack and that really threw me. And about that time,
Speaker 2: my horse bolted and wouldn't stop. It must have gone
Speaker 2: for a solid half mile, and it stops right in
Speaker 2: front of a throw thorn tree and throws me in
Speaker 2: the thorns. So I don't know if that has if
Speaker 2: that's tied in, you know, if that was my mind
Speaker 2: playing tricks on me. But the horses were well trained,
Speaker 2: you know, well trained enough to to where the owners
Speaker 2: felt comfortable enough having young kids on them. One thing
Speaker 2: to go back a little bit is the morning we
Speaker 2: were supposed to go on this, you know, a little
Speaker 2: four day trek, all the horses had jumped the stable
Speaker 2: and it took us hours to go out in the
Speaker 2: woods and bring them back. And I'm certainly not you know,
Speaker 2: the world's sign is the question. And I'm certainly no
Speaker 2: horse whisper, but that just seemed like really odd behavior
Speaker 2: to me, that all the horses in a corral would
Speaker 2: jump out and the you know, the height was pretty
Speaker 2: you know, it was pretty high. In my mind, they
Speaker 2: were motivated to get the heck out of Dodge. So
Speaker 2: that's that's about it for the horse behavior. Anyways, we
Speaker 2: get back to camp and what's really odd to me
Speaker 2: is the rest of my trip there. I don't remember
Speaker 2: being afraid. It's like the whole thing was just gone.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a defense mechanism. I
Speaker 2: think it was. But during the rest of my time there,
Speaker 2: we were in the woods a lot. They didn't worry
Speaker 2: at all. And you know, camp ended went back home
Speaker 2: years ago by we moved them as a you know,
Speaker 2: I went deer hunting, I fished all the time, didn't
Speaker 2: have a single problem. And it wasn't until decades later
Speaker 2: in Arizona that everything came back and we were in Sedona.
Speaker 2: Arizona probably one of the most beautiful places on the planet.
Speaker 2: I think the red rocks really beautiful. Of me and
Speaker 2: a girlfriend at the time were staying at oh kind
Speaker 2: of like a bed and breakfast like a nice hotel.
Speaker 2: Well they had a the red rocks and a lot
Speaker 2: of pine trees, and it was a it was summertime.
Speaker 2: And we went down a series of stairs that had
Speaker 2: a lot of switchbacks because it was a tall, steep hill,
Speaker 2: and at the bottom there's a hammock for two and
Speaker 2: we're just laying there, you know, just just enjoying the night,
Speaker 2: you know, warm summer night, a lot of ambient light.
Speaker 2: You can hear the water in the creek going by,
Speaker 2: you know, very very peaceful and relaxing, and the most
Speaker 2: embarrassing thing. While we were there, I just suddenly, you know,
Speaker 2: this is like twenty five years later plus, We're sitting
Speaker 2: in the hammock just looking up at the stars, and
Speaker 2: I just had this overwhelming feeling like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we're going to die. And I have never been so
Speaker 2: panic stricken as I was in that moment. And I
Speaker 2: told her we got to go, now, we got to go.
Speaker 2: And that was the longest flight of stairs that I've
Speaker 2: ever taken in my entire life. The the feeling of
Speaker 2: fear and impending doom was totally overwhelming. It was pure
Speaker 2: fear response. And we got back in U into the
Speaker 2: room and I calmed down, and for some reason, everything
Speaker 2: flooded back, and uh, I just paced around. She sat
Speaker 2: on the bed and I told her exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Thank thank god. You know, she she believed me because
Speaker 2: that was, you know, really embarrassing. You're you're not to
Speaker 2: have fun, you're young, you know, and then to wig
Speaker 2: out like that. But she was understanding, which I appreciated. Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's like, uh, I don't know why that particular moment,
Speaker 2: since I had been out in the woods hunting and
Speaker 2: fishing so often to this day, I would love to
Speaker 2: know why it took that particular time for that triggering
Speaker 2: event to happen, because I had been out in the woods,
Speaker 2: you know, camping growing up in small town Missouri. That's
Speaker 2: what you did back in the eighties, is you you know, hunted, fished,
Speaker 2: and cruised and that was it. So I don't know
Speaker 2: why that environment triggered it, but it did, and I
Speaker 2: immediately started to convince myself it didn't happen. And I
Speaker 2: tend to go with Okham's razor. The simplest solution is
Speaker 2: more often than not the correct that's the way to go,
Speaker 2: and that's pretty much served me well in life, so
Speaker 2: I thought, okay, nightmare, false memory, mentioning it, you know, misidentification.
Speaker 2: And I literally spent years trying to convince myself that
Speaker 2: this didn't happen. And it was like a major war
Speaker 2: going on inside my brain. I was just utterly doing
Speaker 2: everything possible convince myself it didn't happen, but I know
Speaker 2: it did. I didn't talk about it to anyone for
Speaker 2: probably another twenty years, and you know when I did,
Speaker 2: I immediately got judged, ridiculed and shot down. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like like I don't know if many bear in Nebraska,
Speaker 2: you know, in the seventies up until now, or they
Speaker 2: just blew it off. And that includes family, and some
Speaker 2: of the family were much harder on me than anyone else,
Speaker 2: you know, they I really got mocked for it. So
Speaker 2: I learned to, you know, be be quiet about it.
Speaker 2: I don't know at what point in time in my
Speaker 2: life I finally was able to accept, Okay, this did happen.
Speaker 2: And ever since I could remember it, I haven't gone hunting,
Speaker 2: I haven't gone fishing, camping, hiking. You know. My encounters
Speaker 2: were not epic, they were not violent, but they left
Speaker 2: the mark and it took my joy away, or a
Speaker 2: part of it, because I would respectfully suggest to everyone listening,
Speaker 2: and this may sound hypocritical, enjoying nature and getting out
Speaker 2: and getting out of the rat race can be You
Speaker 2: can have the most wonderful, amazing moments of your life.
Speaker 2: And it's all very simple. You know, you're enjoying nature,
Speaker 2: you're out with friends. That was taken from me, and
Speaker 2: I feel really weak minded and feeble. Then it's affected
Speaker 2: me so much when you know, it wasn't like ten
Speaker 2: feet away, it was like sixty feet away. I couldn't
Speaker 2: make out the face, but it was in perfect silhouette.
Speaker 2: And from that moment forward, I watched a ton of
Speaker 2: stuff on a YouTube TV. Pretty much everything I watch
Speaker 2: is usually Sasquatch related. And you know, years past that
Speaker 2: relationship ended, and me and my son lived in Phoenix,
Speaker 2: Arizona for quite a while, and then we moved to
Speaker 2: a small town in Georgia and we've been here for
Speaker 2: several years now. It's a really small town called Sylvania,
Speaker 2: and I am surrounded by woods. But I had gotten
Speaker 2: used to incorporating this into my mind, and I was
Speaker 2: getting more comfortable. And when I say getting comfortable, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't run as a fiftieth year old man to the
Speaker 2: front door to my car at night. You know, that
Speaker 2: was like a big deal for me. I know it wasn't,
Speaker 2: but for me it was. And then the you know,
Speaker 2: so things were going pretty well and then this next
Speaker 2: event that happened. And the only reason I know this
Speaker 2: is on my Facebook. I was going back and it
Speaker 2: was on February fourteenth, I commented on this, so I
Speaker 2: know it was winter and it was another sunny day.
Speaker 2: It was you know, winter, so it was cold, but
Speaker 2: the sun was out. And standing out front of my yard,
Speaker 2: I'm surrounded by trees, you know, Georgia a lot of forestland,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking to the left by the propane tank
Speaker 2: and I see two furry legs from like the knees down,
Speaker 2: walking from left to right through the brush.
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Speaker 2: And I, uh, my jaw dropped and just like the
Speaker 2: last time I turned towards this thing, and both encounters
Speaker 2: there were no uh, no smells, no sounds, nothing. It
Speaker 2: was like stealth mode. But what got me so I
Speaker 2: see these and these were black. This was black hair.
Speaker 2: It didn't seem to have massive muscular legs, you know,
Speaker 2: from the knee down. But I clearly saw it through
Speaker 2: the clearing of the brush, and it is the strangest thing.
Speaker 2: It's takes a few steps and then it stops, and
Speaker 2: I can see the legs turned to face me, and
Speaker 2: if I had looked up, I probably would have seen
Speaker 2: more of it. I'm actually glad I didn't. But my
Speaker 2: honest opinion is it was like, oh, the ugly, you know,
Speaker 2: hairless pink monkey sees me and it immediately turns around
Speaker 2: and runs back the way it came. But ed took
Speaker 2: off with the burst of speed instantaneously, And I wish
Speaker 2: I would have had a device that could have timed
Speaker 2: this thing, because it took two or three steps and
Speaker 2: then it was a literal blur. I'm not saying it disappeared.
Speaker 2: I am I two encounters. I did not have anything
Speaker 2: I've heard about the War of the Wu. Some people
Speaker 2: think they're supernatural. Who am I to tell anyone their experience,
Speaker 2: But in my opinion, I think they're more supernatural. I
Speaker 2: think they're so adapted to their environment and they're so
Speaker 2: adverse in general, you know, to us noticing them, that
Speaker 2: they're able to hide really well, and I think they
Speaker 2: have strength and speed that moments of high stress, and
Speaker 2: I know what those high stressed moments are like that
Speaker 2: I could perceive that it just disappeared, but I think
Speaker 2: it just took off with such a burst of speed.
Speaker 2: Now what's really weird is so you know, I've incorporated
Speaker 2: this memory into my psyche and I'm, you know, doing okay,
Speaker 2: and then this happens, and then good lord, then the
Speaker 2: house slapping starts. This was like two to three nights later.
Speaker 2: It always happened in the middle of the night, and
Speaker 2: it always happened in my son's room, and it wasn't
Speaker 2: really loud, but it was a pretty good impact on
Speaker 2: the side of the house. And if I would make
Speaker 2: one suggestion to anyone visiting Georgia is do not go
Speaker 2: to someone's house between two and three am in the
Speaker 2: morning and slapped their house. Because the gun culture is
Speaker 2: big here. I've got guns. You know, it's a very
Speaker 2: polite and general civilized, you know culture. But when it
Speaker 2: comes to your house, you're they're going to shoot first,
Speaker 2: and you know they'll they're not going to ask questions.
Speaker 2: They'll answer questions from the cop when the corner picks
Speaker 2: you up. And I was like, you know, my first
Speaker 2: thought was, well, you know, we've got a deranged deer
Speaker 2: or something that's repeatedly slapping the house. And eventually, and
Speaker 2: I don't know why it took me so long, but
Speaker 2: eventually I call the cops and a cop came out
Speaker 2: and I did lie to the cop. I got to
Speaker 2: put that out there. I told the cop. A few
Speaker 2: days ago, I saw someone in a gilly suit. I
Speaker 2: only saw it from the knees down, and it was
Speaker 2: a black gilly suit, which would make no sense. You know,
Speaker 2: if you want to hide in the brush, black is
Speaker 2: not going to do it in Georgia. He had a flashlight.
Speaker 2: He searched the area and he didn't see anything. I
Speaker 2: didn't expect him to, but that uh, And I don't
Speaker 2: know how many days this nights. This had got on
Speaker 2: before I called the cop, but was really interesting. I
Speaker 2: was like, and I asked the cop, listen, I feel threatened.
Speaker 2: You know, I've got my son and a bonus son
Speaker 2: I'm helping to care for. Also, I feel threatened. You
Speaker 2: know that to me, that's an aggressive display. Am I
Speaker 2: okay to shoot? And the cop said, well, you got
Speaker 2: to feel like you're in danger. But if you feel
Speaker 2: like you're in danger, you can, you know, but just
Speaker 2: try to exercise good judgment. And we're talking and I'm
Speaker 2: talking about the uh, the house being slammed. What was
Speaker 2: real interesting, as the cops said, what I would suggest
Speaker 2: is getting a game cam and or a couple of them.
Speaker 2: And we've got two bushes on either side of the
Speaker 2: house and pushing the cameras right, they'll point over the
Speaker 2: yard into the woodline. And he said, you need to
Speaker 2: get some game cams and put them up and maybe
Speaker 2: it'll stop. And I just thought, you know what, I
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, and I think you know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about too. I was really dancing around
Speaker 2: because in a small town, the speed of light has
Speaker 2: nothing on the gossip mill of a small town. It
Speaker 2: exceeds the speed of light by a dozen. And I
Speaker 2: didn't want to be a laughing stock, so that's why
Speaker 2: I lied and said it was a guy in a
Speaker 2: gilly suit. But I thought that was real interesting. He
Speaker 2: suggested the game cam, you know that that may stop it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I think we're on the same wavelength,
Speaker 2: but neither of us are going to cop to it.
Speaker 2: Pardon the pun, and my take on it is, and
Speaker 2: I have no proof of this. I think it was
Speaker 2: a juvenile possibly, and I think it got tip that
Speaker 2: I saw it, and it decided to slap the house
Speaker 2: for a number of nights. You know, just I don't
Speaker 2: know what these things are, but I think it wanted
Speaker 2: to get a rise out of me. And another thing
Speaker 2: that happened, since I'm such a light sleeper and I'm
Speaker 2: a sofa sleeper, I went slept in the bed for years.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I love sofa so much, but
Speaker 2: like right now, I'm looking out. I've got quite a
Speaker 2: few windows in the living room and I'm looking in
Speaker 2: the yard. There were several nights where I would wake
Speaker 2: up to filling the impact of heavy footfalls on the ground,
Speaker 2: like real heavy. But what's strange is I felt the impact,
Speaker 2: but I didn't hear anything. And I'm not saying there's
Speaker 2: anything supernatural involved. I don't know, but there are several
Speaker 2: nights in a row where I was waking up by
Speaker 2: what I felt the impact on the sofa as I'm sleeping,
Speaker 2: and it immediately woke me up, and you know, so
Speaker 2: you know, time has passed since then. I had one friend.
Speaker 2: Her name was Nora. She since passed through COVID, and
Speaker 2: you know, we were friends and I told her my
Speaker 2: story and she handled it well. She said, you know, Michael,
Speaker 2: I have no doubt what you experience, you believe you experienced.
Speaker 2: And I thought, you know what, that is perfect? She said,
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't there, so I cannot tell you
Speaker 2: if what you saw it was an actually adventure not.
Speaker 2: But I thought there is no better politically correct answer
Speaker 2: to give someone than that, just to say, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's possible. And then time goes by and my
Speaker 2: current girlfriend's I hit the pay dirt with her. She
Speaker 2: is amazing. The only thing I questioned her on is
Speaker 2: why she is with me, I really do But I
Speaker 2: told her about the subject and she was into it also.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I hit the mother lord with us.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. And she told me she had an enkilter.
Speaker 2: And it's just amazing that when you talk to people,
Speaker 2: how it will set off a memory or you know,
Speaker 2: someone will say, yeah, this happened to me, or this
Speaker 2: happened you never know. You know, it could be someone
Speaker 2: you know giving you a total raft because you're talking
Speaker 2: about your experience but maybe they're in denial of what
Speaker 2: they saw or what they experienced. But my girlfriend had
Speaker 2: to me this was a real horrific encounter. She lives
Speaker 2: hours north of here, and I think she's been in
Speaker 2: Georgia her whole life. But she was in I think
Speaker 2: the living room, and she noticed a window and two
Speaker 2: red eyes were looking in on her. And she was little,
Speaker 2: and she immediately freaked out. Who wouldn't you know, glowing
Speaker 2: red eyes are not something you psych yourself up to
Speaker 2: see or prepare for. She ran to her room and
Speaker 2: told her sister, and her sister came out, and sure enough,
Speaker 2: it was totally dark, but she saw two burning red
Speaker 2: eyes just looking around and they just tottled in the
Speaker 2: room until their I think their parents were out. I
Speaker 2: think I don't the story wrong, but they were scared,
Speaker 2: and I think she told her dad, and I think
Speaker 2: her dad reasoned it off. And her dad sounds like
Speaker 2: a really solid guy, so I don't think he was
Speaker 2: ignoring her. I think he was just, you know, we
Speaker 2: all have our view of reality and we try to,
Speaker 2: you know, put the square in the square shaped hoole.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I asked this, but I
Speaker 2: always remember from the likeet creeks, you know, that famous thing.
Speaker 2: He always follows the creek. And I asked her, I'm
Speaker 2: going to guess you had a creek or a river
Speaker 2: close by you, Is that right? And she was like yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's really amazing to me that you can talk
Speaker 2: to people and a number of times they'll have experiences.
Speaker 2: I've got If you don't mind, I could tell you
Speaker 2: a real quick one in Ohio of someone I never
Speaker 2: expected to talk about it. That's okay, it's a bit
Speaker 2: more grim.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Me and my son lived in Statesboro, Arkansas, and it
Speaker 2: seems we get all the streets. So he has a friend,
Speaker 2: you know, family life isn't that good. So we take
Speaker 2: him in and I'm talking to his mom and the
Speaker 2: subject came up and she related to me an experience
Speaker 2: they had. They were in Ohio. I can't remember where.
Speaker 2: I wish, I wish I could, but I can't remember
Speaker 2: the name of the town. They were on a pro
Speaker 2: and the woodline, you know, abutted the property, you know,
Speaker 2: within ten twenty feet, and it was evening and they
Speaker 2: had a horses and the fence for the horses came
Speaker 2: up pretty close the house and all the horses were there.
Speaker 2: The dog just had some pups. They were all sitting
Speaker 2: out and joining the evening, and they were looking down
Speaker 2: on a well worn trail and they caught a perfect
Speaker 2: silhouette of silhouette of something huge and monstrous standing up.
Speaker 2: All they could say had black hair, and the fear
Speaker 2: hit them and she just said, you know, quit, get
Speaker 2: the dogs in the house, Get in the house. They
Speaker 2: get in the house, and they noticed all the horses
Speaker 2: immediately tear off for the other end of the fence line.
Speaker 2: And they didn't even want to look and see what
Speaker 2: this thing was or know more about it. She said
Speaker 2: it was absolutely huge, really tall, dark hair. Limbs were huge.
Speaker 2: And she said that a number of days later, nothing
Speaker 2: happened at her house. But some friends of theirs had
Speaker 2: some chicken farms, and what was happening is they were
Speaker 2: losing dozens or scores of chickens and something was getting
Speaker 2: into the I don't know modern chicken farming techniques, but
Speaker 2: I know they have, you know, large buildings they usually
Speaker 2: keep them in. And they said their neighbor was complaining
Speaker 2: because they would come out in the morning and he
Speaker 2: would have dozens of chickens all around and with their
Speaker 2: necks ripped off or the necks always mangled. Nothing was eaten,
Speaker 2: but it was everywhere. So that was another instance. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you just never know what you may hear by talking
Speaker 2: about it, and hopefully it made her feel a little
Speaker 2: less nuts about their encounter, because I do think talking
Speaker 2: about it it is a good thing. And that's brought
Speaker 2: me up to the here and now and I'm talking
Speaker 2: to you big.
Speaker 1: For Society will be right back after these messages, Michael.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing what you've experienced over these years,
Speaker 1: some really fascinating accounts. As we were talking before the interview,
Speaker 1: I don't hear a lot from Nebraska, and that is
Speaker 1: just a really interesting account that you shared. And even
Speaker 1: though you know you were saying, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: super scary or whatever. The thing. The thing I tend
Speaker 1: to focus on is that these encounters are occurring to
Speaker 1: just normal people in normal situations. For you, you were
Speaker 1: eight years old at a dude ranch in Nebraska, kind
Speaker 1: of like in a summer camp type setting on a
Speaker 1: horse trip. There it happened very very interesting stuff. Are
Speaker 1: you able to to share Was it more the eastern
Speaker 1: side or western side of Nebraska?
Speaker 2: Or you know what I have spent for as the
Speaker 2: million dollar question, Jeremiah, I have spent so much time
Speaker 2: perusing the internet because about two miles away we'd walk there.
Speaker 2: They had a rebuilt Western town. It was a few buildings,
Speaker 2: but they had a saloon the kids would go in
Speaker 2: and they had soft drinks, ice cream. And I have
Speaker 2: looked at every picture of every small Western town and
Speaker 2: recreation and I cannot find it. It's lost to the
Speaker 2: sands of time. All I know is my parents must
Speaker 2: have really wanted to get rid of me for two
Speaker 2: weeks because we were in Omaha and it was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to estimate like a four hour drive. And
Speaker 2: even though Omaha is pretty open, there is woodland, and
Speaker 2: I could see where these things could travel at night,
Speaker 2: you know, bed down during the day and not be
Speaker 2: seen because there is a lot there's open land, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot of it sparsely populated. So all I
Speaker 2: know roughly, and I've even scoured maps hoping to find
Speaker 2: you of something that happened, you know, God, forty eight
Speaker 2: years ago. God, I'm fifty six, I'm old, and I
Speaker 2: cannot find anything on it. Now.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a mystery that listeners can try to
Speaker 1: solve is where's the missing dude Ranch in Nebraska? That
Speaker 1: would have been about a four hour drive from Omaha,
Speaker 1: and you know the timeframe, so yeah, that's could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting dude ranch photos. I've tried to pull up
Speaker 2: dude Ranch seventies Omaha and you know, or just Nebraska.
Speaker 2: The building itself wasn't big and it was cinder block.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the land has been cleared, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, it's been decades later. But if I knew
Speaker 2: where it was, I would literally save my money and
Speaker 2: take a trip just to go back there. And I
Speaker 2: have no idea why I would engage in like a
Speaker 2: twenty hour drive, but for some reason, I guess it
Speaker 2: would just be completing the circle. It's like, I'm still
Speaker 2: here and my encounter was a violent Thank God. There's
Speaker 2: a lot more hair raising stories, but I do think
Speaker 2: it does leave an indelible mark on each person because
Speaker 2: it is a really paradigm shifting event. You know, as
Speaker 2: I said, the birth of my son, one moment the world,
Speaker 2: your worldview is facing south, and the next minute your
Speaker 2: worldview is north. And operating that for me has probably
Speaker 2: been the biggest challenge. I don't doubt myself more. I
Speaker 2: know it happened. I would just hope all your listeners
Speaker 2: would realize. And I don't think I'm special, you know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't chosen to see this. Honestly, I wish it
Speaker 2: happened either time, but it did. I would just hope
Speaker 2: that they would feel comfortable to come forward and talk
Speaker 2: about it, because this it has been cathartic, you know,
Speaker 2: talking about it. It really does help.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought that up because that was
Speaker 1: actually something that I was going to ask you. Is
Speaker 1: you know that you've you've been through so much ridicule
Speaker 1: and people mocking and even close family members have been
Speaker 1: the worst, and you know why you start sharing now,
Speaker 1: But you just answered yourself. It's uh, it's very helpful
Speaker 1: in your personal situation to go through it.
Speaker 2: And I've always told my son and this is a
Speaker 2: bitter pill for everybody, but I think everyone you know
Speaker 2: grasped this concept. Just because someone is blood does not
Speaker 2: mean their family, and just because they're not blood does
Speaker 2: not mean they cannot be family. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: That's one of the smart I mean, that's one of
Speaker 1: the best lessons you can learn to be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and decades. But I am the I am
Speaker 2: the smartest dumb person out there. I'm very well book read,
Speaker 2: but it's about it. For practical application of knowledge, I'm
Speaker 2: a total loss.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, friend.
Speaker 2: I'm really curious about your thought on this. And it's
Speaker 2: the million dollar question. Everyone asks what you know, because
Speaker 2: your knowledge is a lot broader than mine. What do
Speaker 2: you think these things are? And I know there's a
Speaker 2: million a million people have a million different answers. There's
Speaker 2: no right one, there's no experts. And if someone claims
Speaker 2: to please run for the holes, too many of them
Speaker 2: out there. They're just curious. And I don't mean to
Speaker 2: spout I hope it's okay to ask that. I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: To me, they're they're flesh and blood and they're not
Speaker 2: to be trusted. I really don't like how they seem
Speaker 2: to take an interest in children, and I've heard enough
Speaker 2: negative encounters to where they're out there my experiences. They're
Speaker 2: flesh and blood. That's all I know. But I I
Speaker 2: would not trust one as far as I could throw one,
Speaker 2: which is no.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a really interesting question. It is the
Speaker 1: the thing that does always get brought up. And it's
Speaker 1: so interesting because as you get involved with things and
Speaker 1: maybe start to go places and experience things and read
Speaker 1: and talk to people, this can all change. But I
Speaker 1: would say right now, you know, I am looking at
Speaker 1: it through it is some It is a physical being,
Speaker 1: but that has some really interesting abilities that science might
Speaker 1: not know how to wrap its mind around, except for
Speaker 1: if it's fringe science. And that can change in the
Speaker 1: future as I'm going through things before. If you're to
Speaker 1: ask me today which you are, that that is what
Speaker 1: is going to is going to be said. Now I
Speaker 1: can hear what you're saying there. It's so interesting. There's
Speaker 1: so many stories and accounts out there, and you know,
Speaker 1: you do have things that are similar to like what
Speaker 1: you've said. But on the other hand, there are also
Speaker 1: some accounts where you have the the young child that
Speaker 1: was found after being alone in the woods for days
Speaker 1: and says something to the effect of the kind teddy bear,
Speaker 1: you know, save me. That kind of thing that makes
Speaker 1: you wonder, right.
Speaker 2: It doesn't if my memory serves that was in the winter.
Speaker 2: Bears are hibernating in the winner and one wa except
Speaker 2: from its torpor. I'm thinking that it's going to see
Speaker 2: a child as a food source. I would have loved
Speaker 2: to have been there and shown that child pictures. I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I wouldn't want to traumatize the poor kid.
Speaker 2: But I well put pictures of bears, bison and then
Speaker 2: go to like gorillas and monkeys and see what did
Speaker 2: the pair look like? You know? And Uh, I am
Speaker 2: the biggest hypocrite, or I used to be at one
Speaker 2: time because whenever I heard WU, I ran for the hills.
Speaker 2: But I'm slowly beginning to think maybe there's something more
Speaker 2: more to these things. Then, as you said, perfectly, science
Speaker 2: uh is unable to uh happen right now? Uh? I
Speaker 2: remember the uh North American Wood Ape Conservancies. Did you
Speaker 2: hear about tag number seve them? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a that's a great report people can
Speaker 1: read on on their website. Yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they didn't have all the data points, but
Speaker 2: they took it to biologists and the biologists just mirrored it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, it was on the low
Speaker 2: end of data data points. That amazes me that with
Speaker 2: all the history that it just are so shut off
Speaker 2: to it, except like Bender, nagele Meldrum and either of
Speaker 2: this is the greatest hoax of mankind. Patterson, Gimwood would
Speaker 2: have nothing. You know, this has been going on for
Speaker 2: hundreds of years. The ancient pictographs of I believe a bigfoot,
Speaker 2: a female and a young one on a cave somewhere.
Speaker 2: And it seems like every well not every, but so
Speaker 2: many native tribes have names, have stories good, some are bad.
Speaker 2: And I really like the old historical accounts of like
Speaker 2: from the eighteen hundreds, and I'm like you the cabal
Speaker 2: of people that are putting on the biggest hoax. So
Speaker 2: there's something to it, and I just I tend to
Speaker 2: go that there is something going on, and to me,
Speaker 2: there's enough evidence. I wish science would turn to it.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know if they don't know
Speaker 2: about these things, and just revealing that I would love
Speaker 2: and know the reason if they're holding that secret, why
Speaker 2: they're holding on to it.
Speaker 1: It would be really interesting. I think most listeners are
Speaker 1: right there with you, but you know, there's a few
Speaker 1: other Yeah, there's a there's another question that I did
Speaker 1: want to ask you. That muddy handprint is really interesting.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen another handprint, Like, is this anything
Speaker 1: where you've studied to see if you can find anything
Speaker 1: similar to that or.
Speaker 2: You know, really interesting question, and I have not. I've
Speaker 2: seen nature shows like on chimps and things like that,
Speaker 2: or like gorillas, and I've noticed the hands part of
Speaker 2: that still disturbs me. And I think that's maybe why
Speaker 2: to this day, I still haven't researched that, because that
Speaker 2: handprint was just real eerie, the sheer size of it
Speaker 2: and the s placement was just wrong. That's the best
Speaker 2: word I could use it. It was wrong. And wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: part of me thinks their abominations, and a bigger part
Speaker 2: of me is it's in the unknown category. Everything is
Speaker 2: speculation on these things, even the Patterson Gimlin film, you know,
Speaker 2: film one hundred people have one hundred different views on it.
Speaker 2: The one thing I think that makes it legit, you know,
Speaker 2: and this is just my own opinion, is when Patty walks,
Speaker 2: there's like a couple of frames where you see the
Speaker 2: impact tremor running from this calf to the thigh. And
Speaker 2: I don't see how an iact muscula sure impact shremor
Speaker 2: could be duplicated. Back in sixty seven, when the best
Speaker 2: thing they had were pointed to the apes.
Speaker 1: It is one of those pieces of information that does
Speaker 1: get brought up quite a bit. And yeah, that is
Speaker 1: a whole conversation in itself, but you know, my friend
Speaker 1: Jonathan easily brings that up a lot where you know,
Speaker 1: look at the muscles moving when it moves in that film.
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. Reminds me when you saw the one
Speaker 1: move away down the hill and then into the haller
Speaker 1: and then into the brush. I believe did you notice
Speaker 1: any in interesting movements that were that seemed unique while
Speaker 1: you were watching it or was it just a little
Speaker 1: bit too far away to notice those details.
Speaker 2: No, it was about sixty feet, so for me it
Speaker 2: was really close, closer I ever wanted to be. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask to see this. It did glide. It
Speaker 2: was like going down an escalator. It was so smooth.
Speaker 2: It was like a piece of silk and a light breeze,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. It was very smooth and fluid,
Speaker 2: and it was like going down an escalator. And you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't false. So the ground there was no well
Speaker 2: there was no tree debris to make noises. But I
Speaker 2: didn't hear a tree snap or anything. Didn't smell anything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you asked that because I forgot to mention that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it moved really smooth it. It didn't move
Speaker 2: like a The proportions were way off, but it didn't
Speaker 2: move like a human did. It was like on an escalator,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It definitely does make sense. It's nothing that I've seen myself,
Speaker 1: but it fits with the other accounts I've heard. But
Speaker 1: the way that you described it with the piece of
Speaker 1: silk is just really helps you imagine it even even more,
Speaker 1: especially for someone like myself who hasn't experienced that personally.
Speaker 1: But that is extremely extremely interesting and just also to
Speaker 1: verify when you got back to the dude ranch, this
Speaker 1: was not discussed at all with anyone, correct.
Speaker 2: Not at all. And I don't know. I think I
Speaker 2: blocked it out, uh because I honestly feel like, uh,
Speaker 2: within a day or two I went about my you know,
Speaker 2: typical eight year old stuff, doing things that a dude
Speaker 2: ranch in the woods. But I never said a word
Speaker 2: because my first and biggest thought is I going to
Speaker 2: get teased so bad? How would I how to even
Speaker 2: explain what happened? I I, you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what I believe in no, no, I know saw squatcher
Speaker 2: out there. I've seen two of them, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what they are. And the first big thing is
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be teased or ridicule culed, and
Speaker 2: the second one at the time, I don't think I
Speaker 2: would have been able to verbalize what I saw. And
Speaker 2: what gets me is how it's so amazing how the
Speaker 2: mind works that you could totally block it off for
Speaker 2: years until some triggering event. And I don't like to
Speaker 2: use the word PTSD because I feel like that's disrespectful
Speaker 2: to service members, but I think it was, you know,
Speaker 2: a form of that. I think I had blocked it
Speaker 2: off and for whatever reason, decades later, the particular event
Speaker 2: triggered it became crashing back. Have you had a lot
Speaker 2: of people that have had that? Is that a rare
Speaker 2: thing with people that have encountered or I haven't really
Speaker 2: heard anything from what I've listened to, which bothers me.
Speaker 2: But have you heard of that a couple of times?
Speaker 1: I definitely have talked to a few people where they have,
Speaker 1: you know, gone under hypnosis like no therapy, and they've
Speaker 1: been able to remember more of what they experience. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of a conversation I just had. There are times
Speaker 1: where people, you know, it's almost they go through so
Speaker 1: much trauma related that their their mind suppresses it and
Speaker 1: then something like hypnotherapy brings it back out, which is
Speaker 1: really interesting. Also, the other interesting thing is that the
Speaker 1: area you were, Sedona, is really known for some unique things,
Speaker 1: especially related to energy, and it almost makes me wonder
Speaker 1: if maybe just because you were in the area of
Speaker 1: Sedona that had something to do with it. But it's
Speaker 1: just that's one of those, you know, hypotheticals.
Speaker 2: Really, I do feel if I hit the power ball,
Speaker 2: we are going to have a house in Georgia and
Speaker 2: in Sidona. It's the most beautiful place on the planet.
Speaker 2: But I do agree, and I felt it. I you know,
Speaker 2: never had any paranormal experiences in Sedona, but I loved
Speaker 2: it so much because, uh I just felt energized spiritually.
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm a Christian. Uh So I'm not you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not into crystals or something like that. That's if
Speaker 2: you are, that's fine, you know, but there was something
Speaker 2: there for me that, uh it was a real positive place.
Speaker 2: Every time I went there, I just felt energized and
Speaker 2: it stayed with me for you know, a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks until I could go back up there.
Speaker 1: It's extremely interesting. Yeah, there's definitely you're you're the way
Speaker 1: your worldview definitely affects how you view these these things
Speaker 1: that happened to you. That is, it's really an understatement
Speaker 1: because some of these, you know, when you have these encounters,
Speaker 1: there can be long lasting effects from them, and this
Speaker 1: is outside of you know, potential PTSD. But Michael, it
Speaker 1: has been just a pleasure talking to you today. Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming on the show and for sharing what
Speaker 1: you experienced at different times of your life over the years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for letting me talk at this feel
Speaker 2: good talking about it to this extent, because well I
Speaker 2: really don't talk about it anymore, but when I did,
Speaker 2: it was the cliff notes version, the you know, single paragraph,
Speaker 2: three sentence form. So I appreciate you listening to me
Speaker 2: because it does feel good talking about it. For whatever
Speaker 2: reason it does makes me. It's made me feel better today.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. And if you ever, you know,
Speaker 1: need any other help with anything related to this topic,
Speaker 1: you feel free to reach out and I'll do the
Speaker 1: most I can to try to help you. So but
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sending an email as Ben. It's been
Speaker 1: fun talking to you today.
Speaker 2: Michael, me too, And take care and be safe out
Speaker 2: there and if you want to see you when, I
Speaker 2: truly hope you have an encounter that's being on and
Speaker 2: is a positive one.
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