Speaker 1: Get ready.
Speaker 2: Okay, So a couple of minutes after eight pm December
Speaker 2: twenty six of twenty twenty five, allegedly according to that
Speaker 2: thing we call a calendar, and somehow I managed to
Speaker 2: get myself live tonight. My voice is not strong, neither
Speaker 2: am I, but what the hell here I am? I
Speaker 2: was going to try and do last night, but it
Speaker 2: didn't work out too well, and I got one response
Speaker 2: that I saw and one I saw after time elapsed
Speaker 2: when I could have went live, but I couldn't get
Speaker 2: myself together to go live last night. So better I
Speaker 2: didn't because it was just going to be phone calls
Speaker 2: and most people probably didn't expect me to be there anyhow.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you guys are enjoying the Christmas stuff, which is
Speaker 2: going to gradually go away over the next couple of days,
Speaker 2: but it's still there on the live stream, and this
Speaker 2: show will be added to it and all that. But
Speaker 2: we're live on Friday, day after Christmas. Right, still the
Speaker 2: twenty sixth, Yeah, it is still the twenty sixth day?
Speaker 1: Boxing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's that is?
Speaker 1: Boxing day?
Speaker 2: Boxing Day?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Right? What is that Canada? In boxing? Boxing Day in Canada?
Speaker 1: No, well, I think I don't know if they do
Speaker 1: it in Canada, I know they do it in Britain.
Speaker 1: It's the day that they open up all of the
Speaker 1: charitable boxes for the year. Can they find out how
Speaker 1: much they took in? Can they give it out?
Speaker 2: Really? You know, I never paid attention to this. I
Speaker 2: have no idea. I thought Boxing Day had something to
Speaker 2: do with boxing up gifts. I really had no idea.
Speaker 2: Never paid a caen.
Speaker 1: It is boxing and gifts kind of sort.
Speaker 2: Of Okay, Well, anyway, be Pete, my co host is
Speaker 2: with me and you can be two three one nine
Speaker 2: five two seven five zero one six. That's the number
Speaker 2: to call. Uh. I did hear from somebody while we
Speaker 2: in the in the between last time we got together
Speaker 2: and now for the Friday show that we didn't hear
Speaker 2: from for a little while there, and that was Chris Graves.
Speaker 2: So he's still alive. And that's the thing. I mean.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there saying, I have no idea what
Speaker 2: happened to him. I guess Chris might have been a
Speaker 2: little unhappy because Danny might have said that he thought
Speaker 2: Chris might have been deranged. But whatever, that's what Chris
Speaker 2: relayed to me on X But he was apparently in
Speaker 2: the hospital. And aren't we all having a good year?
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for twenty twenty five to go away? What
Speaker 2: about you be Pete?
Speaker 1: Oh, well, yeah, so twenty this has been an interesting year,
Speaker 1: you know, because especially with me and and work retiring,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a big change. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: glad to see twenty five. Con you flipped that last month.
Speaker 1: Un let's get all of something new.
Speaker 2: Beginning of the year was a whole different situation for you, right,
Speaker 2: You were still working at.
Speaker 1: The beginning of the year, right, Yeah, I didn't retire
Speaker 1: until April. Well, you know, and it was but it
Speaker 1: was you know, travel, travel, travel, travel, and the job
Speaker 1: I was on was going to pieces by the end
Speaker 1: of January, and by the end of February, I was
Speaker 1: up in the mountains looking at disaster relief.
Speaker 2: Well you had. You know. I just recently got into
Speaker 2: an accident I'm not talking about but believe me, that's
Speaker 2: why I'm having such a hard time doing shows. And
Speaker 2: I've been wanting to improve that, but I just haven't
Speaker 2: been able to. Honestly, either physically I'm unable to on
Speaker 2: certain days or other days I've had obligations and then
Speaker 2: I'm not able to get to the microphone on time,
Speaker 2: so I haven't actually done my show much. Kind of
Speaker 2: took the Christmas week off like a lot of people do.
Speaker 2: Didn't even mean to do that. But you had like
Speaker 2: an accident right before, didn't you, like, because there was
Speaker 2: a problem. This whole thing started when you got like
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of wire tangled up in your truck.
Speaker 1: I think you told us, Yeah, I had a I
Speaker 1: had a power line drop on me. Someone up ahead
Speaker 1: in a bunch of vehicles. There was a bunch of
Speaker 1: box trucks, truck trailers, equipment on these mountains, thin mountain road,
Speaker 1: and because of the ice storms that they had had
Speaker 1: hit about a week week and a half before, and
Speaker 1: damage from the storm, of course, power line was hanging low,
Speaker 1: and somebody clipped it, and there was a dump truck
Speaker 1: in front of me, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they swerved into the left hand lane like they were
Speaker 1: dive bombing, and I look up and I got four
Speaker 1: hundred foot of power line coming right down on top
Speaker 1: of me. Right that was in March. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: in March, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, look between that and a couple
Speaker 2: of people connected to the show Dying, you'd almost think
Speaker 2: that the universe is out to get us all. You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know Man's right, but it was weird when
Speaker 2: it happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a pure accident, and the safety
Speaker 1: people with corporations and insurance companies will always argue there
Speaker 1: is no such thing as accident. Well, yeah there is,
Speaker 1: and I rode through it, so screwled. But after that,
Speaker 1: I got to think, you know, I'm spending all my
Speaker 1: time on the road because you know, there were some
Speaker 1: times where I wasn't able to do Friday nights right
Speaker 1: because of working on the hours that I was working
Speaker 1: during that time.
Speaker 2: Right, you were working crazy, And I said, forget it's yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just not worth it anymore. Let's just sit back
Speaker 1: and say screw this.
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me ask you.
Speaker 1: I want to drop a power line on my ass.
Speaker 1: I can do that at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, let me ask you something, because you said
Speaker 2: something pretty fascinating there to me, there's no such thing
Speaker 2: as an accident. I would tend to agree with that,
Speaker 2: is that everything is predictable so long as you have
Speaker 2: all the insight you need, you know, like, in other words,
Speaker 2: almost anything that's an accident is predictable. There's almost always
Speaker 2: a way to find something that could have gone better.
Speaker 2: You know, had we been better informed. You know, if
Speaker 2: somebody was keeping an eye on that particular piece of
Speaker 2: power line, that would have never happened. Right, So there's
Speaker 2: always a way to avoid these things, and you can
Speaker 2: see it start to happen. I mean, very few things
Speaker 2: are completely instantaneous, you know what I mean. Like, there's
Speaker 2: almost always a way to see things coming. So for
Speaker 2: there never to be an accident, from a certain point
Speaker 2: of view, that would be true. But the impossibility is
Speaker 2: to be informed on all things at all times, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, or do you not see where I'm going
Speaker 2: with that?
Speaker 1: No? I see where you're going. And I understand. We
Speaker 1: used to in the industry. We used to have these
Speaker 1: arguments all the time when we had safety meetings, and
Speaker 1: somebody brought up the point You're out there beating the
Speaker 1: bushes trying to find a right away marker, and you
Speaker 1: happen to move past a bush that has a wasp's
Speaker 1: nest in it, and you don't see it, and you
Speaker 1: don't touch the bush, and suddenly you get stung by
Speaker 1: a wasp? Is that a true accident, and of course
Speaker 1: the safety guys, oh no, you know, you should have
Speaker 1: had proper equipment. And it's like, okay, well, you had
Speaker 1: all your personal safety equipment on, you went walking through there.
Speaker 1: You didn't do anything to cause the situation. But a
Speaker 1: wasp decides to light your butt up? How could you
Speaker 1: have prevented that? Well, and we'd never come to an answer.
Speaker 1: What do you prevent a wasp a beasting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here you go. You could have prevented it
Speaker 2: by avoiding it, right, if you would have known it
Speaker 2: was there. But you have a job to do. You
Speaker 2: can only focus on so much at a time. You
Speaker 2: know the old expression you can't cover all bases, right, Like,
Speaker 2: in other words, it is possible to catch every ball
Speaker 2: that's hitting into a field in baseball. As long as
Speaker 2: it's in the field to play, it can be caught.
Speaker 2: It's just that simple. It can be caught. It can
Speaker 2: be stopped, right, but you have to be in the
Speaker 2: right place at the right time. You have to anticipate,
Speaker 2: or you have to you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: in other words, it's like saying, well, gee, if somebody
Speaker 2: had paid attention, or there had been a way to
Speaker 2: detect the wasp or whatever it could have been done.
Speaker 2: But you only have so much time as one human
Speaker 2: being or even a team to cover so many things.
Speaker 2: Even again, in the baseball analogy, yeah, you got nine
Speaker 2: people on the field, but they can't be in all
Speaker 2: spots at all times, you know, And they can't cover
Speaker 2: all spots at all times. That's kind of the point
Speaker 2: of the game. No, so, you know, but in life,
Speaker 2: that's the truth of it, right, because if somebody had
Speaker 2: taken the time and very very carefully examined every square inch,
Speaker 2: they would have seen the wasp desk. So an insurance, but.
Speaker 1: Let's put it in the ballpark. I got one for you.
Speaker 1: Batters up, bat, pitch comes across the plate, He smacks it,
Speaker 1: knocks the snot out of it, and the bat breaks.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Is that preventable when it hits the pitcher?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it is preventable. It's just he has to
Speaker 2: ask quick enough reflexes.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, picture's laid out. Wait a minute, the picture is
Speaker 1: laid out full stretch. After throwing the pitch, he hits it,
Speaker 1: piece of broken bat immediately flies towards the pitcher and
Speaker 1: if it hits him, now was that preventable. The only
Speaker 1: way to prevent it, it would be to put up
Speaker 1: a shield. Well, see, there's a difference, and you can't
Speaker 1: play the game well right.
Speaker 2: But there's a difference between a reasonable accident, right or
Speaker 2: but everything is avoidable. In other words, it potentially everything
Speaker 2: is avoidable if that picture is you know, trained well
Speaker 2: enough to step off and move it, because there are
Speaker 2: plenty of people that are ready to move upon release
Speaker 2: and have quick reactions. I mean, I've seen some pictures
Speaker 2: catch some stuff. You know, it's coming off with a
Speaker 2: bat at one hundred and sixteen miles an hour. They
Speaker 2: stick out of glove, they grab it like it's nothing.
Speaker 2: I've seen that happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but still a piece of broken bat.
Speaker 1: You never know, maybe not the picture, maybe his first baseman,
Speaker 1: who knows. But what I'm saying is there are true
Speaker 1: accidents out there. They can't be avoided. It's just a
Speaker 1: freak of nature that they hit.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: See, it's difficult to it, but not according to the
Speaker 1: insurance guys. The insurance guys say there are no such
Speaker 1: thing as accidents.
Speaker 2: We see, I say there are, But see, it may
Speaker 2: be a high difficulty to avoid that accident. Okay, it
Speaker 2: may be extremely hard to avoid the accident, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's not avoidable. You see, if he had
Speaker 2: reacted just right and spun just the right way, you
Speaker 2: could have spun out of the way to bat. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's just a matter of what
Speaker 2: is reasonable to avoid and what is not reasonable to avoid.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. It's a matter reasonable as
Speaker 2: opposed to you know, can it be avoided all to avoided? Right?
Speaker 1: I don't know that everything can be avoided. You know,
Speaker 1: you got a ball traveling it's say one hundred miles
Speaker 1: an hour. It's a fastball. That bat hits it, it
Speaker 1: breaks equal reaction is going to be one hundred mile
Speaker 1: an hour piece of bat flying off? And what is
Speaker 1: it forty five feet to the pitcher's my own? Yep,
Speaker 1: you know that's traveling pretty damn fast. I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard to avoid, hard to avoid, and you
Speaker 1: could avoid it by not playing the game. But then
Speaker 1: you don't play the game.
Speaker 2: Well there's that. Or a pitcher can learn to land.
Speaker 2: You know, they tried to teach us in Little League
Speaker 2: to land so that you could field the ball, so
Speaker 2: you could be ready to field, not to fall down.
Speaker 2: You know, they tried for maximum velocity with a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys, and it doesn't matter how you land.
Speaker 1: But you know, but the that is coming back at
Speaker 1: you just as fast as you threw that ball.
Speaker 2: Well maybe faster even, I don't know. The point is, though,
Speaker 2: it's still avoidable. It's just difficult to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just yeah. You've been the safety guy and
Speaker 1: I'll be the employee you're writing up.
Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: it's not reasonable or that I wouldn't judge something. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was kind of like not your fault. See, now
Speaker 2: there's a difference between ascribing fault and saying something couldn't
Speaker 2: be avoided. You know what I mean. If you got
Speaker 2: something coming at you one hundred and some miles an hour,
Speaker 2: you get hit by it, I can't really fault you
Speaker 2: because you know, reaction time is difficult. It's like trying
Speaker 2: to avoid a bullet, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what killed me on this It got clipped.
Speaker 1: That wire got clipped at the far end. It was
Speaker 1: like three hundred feet away from me in front of me, right,
Speaker 1: and this dump truck is in front of me and
Speaker 1: all this other traffic, and I didn't notice what was
Speaker 1: happening until the dump truck in front of me suddenly
Speaker 1: dove into the left lane, even with oncoming traffic. He
Speaker 1: locked them up and just dive bombed into the opposite lane.
Speaker 1: And when I look up, boom, I got wires coming
Speaker 1: down on top of me that fast. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: really no way to react.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like the WASP. It's just like the wasp. Though.
Speaker 2: You know, if observation was better, right, if observation was
Speaker 2: improved somehow, you could have avoided that. And so could
Speaker 2: that guy have avoided the dump trunk, could have avoid
Speaker 2: you see what I mean if observation, Well.
Speaker 1: Unless I've got well, unless I've got something coming directly
Speaker 1: at me in my lane, I am not diving into
Speaker 1: the opposite lane of traffic behind a dump truck.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Look, for all I know, he's getting ready to wipe
Speaker 1: out a bus full of orphans, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be behind him.
Speaker 2: Right, No, it's reasonable for you to not to get
Speaker 2: hit by that thing. It's a reasonable occurrence. But the
Speaker 2: idea that you know, yeah, all accidents are preventable, that's true,
Speaker 2: but it would require something, you know, it could be
Speaker 2: extraordinary what it requires to avoid that accident.
Speaker 1: But I mean it takes something like that, and you
Speaker 1: think about you know, I'm putting in what I'd had
Speaker 1: an average of thirty hours home a week for the
Speaker 1: past month and a half and you know, five years
Speaker 1: before that. So you know, it's little things like that
Speaker 1: that makes you think it's time to sit back and
Speaker 1: watch my grass grow.
Speaker 2: And there's a cost value judgment there, you know, like
Speaker 2: what is Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: It's well worth. Its the best decision I made.
Speaker 2: There, you go. So as long as you're happy with
Speaker 2: the decision. And that's the thing. Look, you got out
Speaker 2: of the situation in one piece, which is usually the
Speaker 2: important thing. But not to the accident guy, you know.
Speaker 1: Scruit company. Yeah, see, that was the thing there was
Speaker 1: really and that's what the insurance company was ticked off about.
Speaker 1: It is they didn't have anybody to blame it on.
Speaker 1: The They didn't have they didn't have a license number
Speaker 1: of whoever clipped that wire. Oh you know, and it
Speaker 1: totally This was a brand new truck and when those
Speaker 1: wires when they dropped, they hit the truck, well two
Speaker 1: of them hit the truck right below the grill where
Speaker 1: the bumper is, and there's a gap in there on
Speaker 1: the new chevies, and it just threaded its way. It's
Speaker 1: like you put took a piece of dental floss and
Speaker 1: put it in the gap at the bumper and pulled
Speaker 1: it all the way to the back of the truck.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how bad it was. It tore up everything.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And it locked. The other one got locked
Speaker 1: around a back axle. It looped over the wheel twice
Speaker 1: while I was still moving trying to stop. Oh so
Speaker 1: I was locked. I couldn't pull forward, I couldn't pull backwards.
Speaker 2: Right. All I keep thinking of is how people get
Speaker 2: tangled up in razor wire, you know, and uh and
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, you know it's like that. Anyway, Look,
Speaker 2: you can join this conversation at three one nine five
Speaker 2: two seven five zero one six. It looks like we're
Speaker 2: broadcasting out there live and everything. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: not looking in the chat room. Are you in the
Speaker 2: chat room?
Speaker 1: I was, but I was looking at and yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: the only one in there right now. I was looking
Speaker 1: at the what boxing day actually was a description.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, you can do that, I'll tell you. I
Speaker 2: was looking at old TV clips. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of old TV like vhs that people recorded that
Speaker 2: they transferred over to YouTube, and that was like, you know,
Speaker 2: the viral rage a few years ago is you know,
Speaker 2: local TV that people were showing and now it's you know,
Speaker 2: boring to everybody. But I was looking back at some
Speaker 2: local TV on YouTube and it was pretty wild.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I found some stuff, really interesting things that were happening
Speaker 2: in the late eighties that appeared to be again happening
Speaker 2: forty years later. So you know, I might do a
Speaker 2: little show on that coming up soon, because you know,
Speaker 2: the recurrent themes, the things that never seemed to get fixed,
Speaker 2: and the arguments we came to seem to keep having
Speaker 2: forty years later. That's two generations, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's the same argument that we're having. I was looking
Speaker 2: at daytime TV and even nighttime TV in New York
Speaker 2: City and coming out of a Channel nine, especially in
Speaker 2: New York, which was wild. That's where Morton Downey Junior
Speaker 2: came from, if you remember that guy, And there was
Speaker 2: also a guy named Richard Bay, and there was a
Speaker 2: few other ones Wally George.
Speaker 1: Remember I remember Richard Bay, right, he.
Speaker 2: Got popular for a minute. That was during that time
Speaker 2: when everybody pretty much stole building on a Phil donohue's
Speaker 2: format and uh and ran with it and did it
Speaker 2: their own way. And that's how we got Oprah and
Speaker 2: that's how we got Jerry Springer eventually.
Speaker 1: But there was at started where Chicago. Yeah didn't she
Speaker 1: start on a local Chicago station?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? But remember Haraldo took the format and ran
Speaker 2: with it. You know that audience and now we're gonna
Speaker 2: have the audience ask questions and uh, you know again,
Speaker 2: Oprah did it, Richard Bay did it? Uh? Ricky Lake?
Speaker 2: Remember Ricky Lake?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean I'm just saying, you.
Speaker 1: Know, it's funny you had you had two styles too,
Speaker 1: really that that worked out of it. You had you
Speaker 1: had the Phil Donahue and the people, and you know
Speaker 1: Oprah eventually worked into that when she went national. You
Speaker 1: had that style. Did you have the Morton Downey Junior
Speaker 1: and the Haraldo's that kind of veered off to the
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer side of things. Yep, it's it's it's really
Speaker 1: weird though, you know, the and it was it was
Speaker 1: a dichotomy you either one or the other. You're either
Speaker 1: serious or you were Jerry Springer.
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you another funny thing is you remember
Speaker 2: our Senio Hall, Right, he was big for a second,
Speaker 2: like as the Uh, this is the new generations in
Speaker 2: the nineties, right, the nineties is the new generation. And
Speaker 2: this is our version of like you know Johnny Carson, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where yeah, that's where Bill Clinton, you know,
Speaker 1: got famous playing the saxophone.
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton won a lot of voters playing the saxophone.
Speaker 2: I include myself in that because I remember seeing that,
Speaker 2: you know, live and going Okay, that's different but very
Speaker 2: But the truth is uh, and I voted for him.
Speaker 2: I told you this and one of the things, look,
Speaker 2: what do you want me to do? It's first time
Speaker 2: I got a chance to vote. That's what I did. Anyway. Uh.
Speaker 2: It was weird though, because really I like the Libertarian
Speaker 2: Party of that that presidential cycle more than anything, but
Speaker 2: their presidential candidate was excuse me at dog, So you
Speaker 2: know it was like Bill Clinton. Okay, anyhow, forget all that.
Speaker 2: What I noted was, you know that whole like Ursineo's
Speaker 2: audience used to bark, they were all right, well you
Speaker 2: know that really originated with Morton Downey Junior, the audience
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Morton. You know, I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: he didn't last longer than he did.
Speaker 2: You need to look back at these tapes, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'll send you a link because you'll realize why he
Speaker 2: didn't last. Oh.
Speaker 1: His shows were pure chaos.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it was one trick pony.
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah. Everything would eventually evolve into him standing
Speaker 1: up and having this you know, a shouting match with
Speaker 1: the camera.
Speaker 2: Well, he would just smoke a cigarette, run around, scream
Speaker 2: that all the liberals were what they call what do
Speaker 2: you call him, pablum puking liberals, right, pablum puking liberals
Speaker 2: that do nothing. And he you know, he's and I'm
Speaker 2: a conservative and I'll tell you what, no, no, no no,
Speaker 2: And he told everybody off. And that was pretty much
Speaker 2: a show. You know, he got people on that were
Speaker 2: definitely going to argue with each other, you know, putting
Speaker 2: up like the Klan and the uh the Congress for
Speaker 2: Racial Equality, right, the core guys remember the and oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and stuff like that. But he's also the
Speaker 2: first guy to show Ron Paul to the whole country, uh,
Speaker 2: and other weird stuff, right, Plus he'd have people debating. Yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 1: Thinking about Haroaldo didn't he wasn't he the one that
Speaker 1: had the the Communists, the Nazis and was it the Klan?
Speaker 1: Who was it he had on that show where he
Speaker 1: got hit with the chair in the nose?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had like the I.
Speaker 1: Know it was the clan and somebody, right, it was.
Speaker 2: A neo Nazi that like turned around And that's that's
Speaker 2: the funny thing, is like, Okay, so Heraldo's picking up
Speaker 2: steam and Morton Downey's starting to peter out already, because again,
Speaker 2: like I said, he's a one trick pony. If you
Speaker 2: get tired of people just screaming at each other on
Speaker 2: the show, I mean you're done with Morton Downey, right,
Speaker 2: And uh so Heraldo gets this whole thing where the
Speaker 2: studio erupts and uh, you know Morton Downy had had
Speaker 2: a fight between was it Roy Ennis and uh and
Speaker 2: the guy who was running one of the white supremacist
Speaker 2: groups and Roy Innis ended up choking him on stage
Speaker 2: in front of the audience. Metzger, Yeah, that's it. And
Speaker 2: uh and then Heraldo has a whole studio break out
Speaker 2: into like a barroom blitz and he gets his chair
Speaker 2: broken by it broke, you know, he gets his nose
Speaker 2: broken by a chair and all that. Then Morton Downey Junior.
Speaker 2: Now the funniest part about this everybody forgets this is
Speaker 2: Morton Downey Junior goes into an airport and fakes an
Speaker 2: attack on himself that the neo Nazis attacked him and spraying.
Speaker 1: Remember that, I remember that. Yeah, oh man, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a while back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's because he was starting to fall in
Speaker 2: the ratings and these other shows were beating him because
Speaker 2: they had more outrageous stuff and it was just done better,
Speaker 2: you know. And plus you weren't. I mean, Moore was
Speaker 2: an ugly looking guy too, big old huge mole on
Speaker 2: the side of his face and frigging and he's smoking
Speaker 2: and blowing his smoke in everybody's face, right, Plus he
Speaker 2: was one of these guys that like, you know, was
Speaker 2: like attacking, like you know, like AIDS is a punishment
Speaker 2: from God kind of thing and and all that. Even
Speaker 2: though he had his brother on the show who had AIDS,
Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, well, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk to you, and I hated you because
Speaker 2: you were gay anyway, but now I'm having you on
Speaker 2: because you have aids and people got weird about that.
Speaker 2: And he just was not going to fit going forward
Speaker 2: into the nineties. There was no way that they were
Speaker 2: going to keep him popular on TV, you know. But anyhow,
Speaker 2: all this craziness is going on, he's losing in the ratings,
Speaker 2: and then he goes into an airport path. No crap,
Speaker 2: this is what they found out later, and he claims
Speaker 2: that these neo Nazis, his skinheads beat him up and
Speaker 2: sprayed him. Uh spade printed a swastik on his face.
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, I remember that?
Speaker 2: Oh ye god. And it was all because Arroldo had
Speaker 2: his nose broken by the neo Nazis. And then they
Speaker 2: found out he faked it and everything else, and then
Speaker 2: they found out he was like, you know, abusive to
Speaker 2: people and like you know, doing weird things like that
Speaker 2: Limo company that was always sponsoring his show in the Earth,
Speaker 2: he would like like piss and containers in the limo
Speaker 2: and just leave him in there for the Limo guy
Speaker 2: to clean out. His weird stuff like that he was doing,
Speaker 2: and and then he just he thought he was huge.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He was at one of the WrestleMania's Morton Downey Jr.
Speaker 2: Did you remember that. Yeah, they put him in Piper's pit.
Speaker 1: Talk about it, you know, but you think about it though,
Speaker 1: the publicity that they were getting back then and some
Speaker 1: of the avenues that professional wrestling was going in. Morton
Speaker 1: Townty Junior. Hell, he was a perfect ZiT.
Speaker 2: No, he fit a lot better. I mean they did
Speaker 2: a lot better going on that, you know, dealing with him.
Speaker 2: They're going on the Richard Belt.
Speaker 1: Didn't use him more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. But again, his popularity just as fast
Speaker 2: as it, you know, it kind of skyrocketed out of
Speaker 2: nowhere from doing just a local show on uh. And
Speaker 2: that's the funny thing. Channel nine was not part of
Speaker 2: a major network. It was an independent TV station and
Speaker 2: it's it's a weird station because it's actually in New
Speaker 2: Jersey in Secaucus.
Speaker 1: But I was going to ask you, yeah, back do
Speaker 1: you remember back during nine to eleven, Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a local access station and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was in Jersey or do you York. They used to
Speaker 1: have guys on that would debate, you know, but they
Speaker 1: didn't have a report out by that time, but they
Speaker 1: would debate things going on. Stuff that was you know,
Speaker 1: we were seeing on the internet, but they actually would
Speaker 1: sat down and have debates over it. I cannot remember.
Speaker 1: I spent many an hour watching those things, and they
Speaker 1: used to be on YouTube, but I can't find them.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they got taken down during the Great Purge,
Speaker 1: but because it was nine to eleven, probably, but I
Speaker 1: would spend hours watching those things and some of the
Speaker 1: obscure stuff that they were coming up with on it.
Speaker 1: Do you remember those.
Speaker 2: Of in that area, Well, yeah, there was a couple
Speaker 2: of channels that did stuff like that, and they were
Speaker 2: only for the local area. One was called New York one,
Speaker 2: and that was supposedly Channel I think that's yeah, good, I.
Speaker 1: Think that's the one I was watching clips from.
Speaker 2: Well, probably that, and then if you saw one from
Speaker 2: New Jersey, it's this weird anomaly in New Jersey called
Speaker 2: Channel eight and Channel eight's kind of like in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Channel Yeah.
Speaker 1: Channel eight wasn't that the one that would have like
Speaker 1: regular programming during the day, but at nighttime they would
Speaker 1: kick over to like small local access stuff.
Speaker 2: No, No, there was lots of local access in Jersey
Speaker 2: and New York. But Channel eight was was basically just
Speaker 2: known as a news channel and then sometimes they ran
Speaker 2: like you know, the Beverly Hillbillies on there or whatever.
Speaker 2: But aside from that.
Speaker 1: I remember one channel that up until about I think
Speaker 1: up until about six o'clock, they would end with a
Speaker 1: news their local kind of news breakdown, and then it
Speaker 1: would go to strictly local access stuff out of some
Speaker 1: back studio in all in the building. But they would
Speaker 1: sit down and have debates, discussions and like table talk
Speaker 1: and crap like that. Well, that reminds me of it
Speaker 1: would only switch after about seven o'clock at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that reminds me of something called New Jersey Network,
Speaker 2: which used to do that, and they had just a
Speaker 2: low rent kind of Yeah, they were like an overgrown
Speaker 2: access TV. See. Access TV is just one of these
Speaker 2: things that your local cable companies used to have, right
Speaker 2: in a lot of different.
Speaker 1: Locations, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But Jersey had, well, Jersey and New York had like
Speaker 2: some overgrown access TV stuff that was kind of like
Speaker 2: way more popular than it should have been. Usually it
Speaker 2: would have been like you know, you see it, like
Speaker 2: it would be this obscure in New Jersey. Maybe you
Speaker 2: saw this show in Tom's River, and then you go
Speaker 2: over to the next county and that same channel would
Speaker 2: give you totally different shows, and people would actually pay
Speaker 2: to go on there and do whatever they wanted on
Speaker 2: the TV station, you know what I mean. So again,
Speaker 2: in the days before YouTube or whatever, like let's just
Speaker 2: say you got these guys who wanted to just talk
Speaker 2: Battlestar Galactica, right, you know, they want to talk about
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies TV show, and they would have a
Speaker 2: half hour TV show on these public access things, you know,
Speaker 2: or somebody would come out and go, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: just film me working in my garden, you know, and
Speaker 2: they would call it like a gardening show or whatever,
Speaker 2: and they would just be you know, some lady that
Speaker 2: you know went down there and paid two hundred bucks
Speaker 2: or whatever to have a weekly show. But there were
Speaker 2: access channels like that in a bunch of different counties
Speaker 2: in Jersey and New York had had a huge couple
Speaker 2: of them, And one of them is too funny because
Speaker 2: it kind of got taken over by the pornography. Because
Speaker 2: what happened is there was like a couple of TV
Speaker 2: shows on this public access thing, and the guys who
Speaker 2: ran like you know, porno shops started by all the time,
Speaker 2: so they were doing TV shows on porno like come
Speaker 2: down to you know Jerry's House of Video or whatever,
Speaker 2: and we have you know, newdie boots, and we have
Speaker 2: and we have sex toys and all this stuff. So
Speaker 2: they started advertising that stuff like at chapter ten o'clock
Speaker 2: at night. But also these guys started to buy TV shows.
Speaker 2: So then they would buy a TV show and they'd
Speaker 2: go get a sponsor, so it would be like, you know,
Speaker 2: Jerry's Jerry's House of Video brought to you by Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve Video Productions, you know, so like a pornography
Speaker 2: thing would sponsor them. And then you know, in the
Speaker 2: age of the big phone lines, remember the nine seven
Speaker 2: six phone lines and all that, call up and you
Speaker 2: can talk to you know this or that, or call
Speaker 2: up and get a psychic or whatever. And there were
Speaker 2: hundreds of different kinds the one nine hundred numbers remember those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously.
Speaker 2: The porno shop would go get nine hundred numbers that
Speaker 2: were all sex line. So by the time they were
Speaker 2: done with it, it was like from ten o'clock to
Speaker 2: four in the morning was like all guys who bought
Speaker 2: time on there for porno, you know, porno shops, and
Speaker 2: sometimes they would show like weird like softcore porn and
Speaker 2: then just run commercials because they would make money with it,
Speaker 2: you know, because they'd go and buy the show for
Speaker 2: two hundred bucks and then they'd sell five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: worth advertising. And that grew into a whole channel.
Speaker 1: How times have changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that grew into a whole channel called Channel J.
Speaker 2: And one of the most famous things like the guy
Speaker 2: who ran Screw magazine had like a two hour block
Speaker 2: on there, and I think the guy who ran Palco yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and back in the days when Robin was remember when
Speaker 2: Rob Low had a sex tape. I mean like you know,
Speaker 2: legitimately somebody had to run around and hand out bhs's
Speaker 2: to get your sex tape around all sell them, right,
Speaker 2: So this guy was running an ad where all he
Speaker 2: did is sell Rob Loos sex tape and UH and
Speaker 2: the Go Gos as a bonus, the band the Go
Speaker 2: Gos like being sexually abusive to UH male Groupees. And
Speaker 2: he had a videotape that was like two hours of this.
Speaker 2: He just sold that like on one of his whole hours.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 1: It was the act. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: the actual Go Gos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Go Gos like you know, wait.
Speaker 1: A minute, wait at the Go Gos being sexually abusive
Speaker 1: towards men.
Speaker 2: Get toward male groupies, like groupies that like, oh I
Speaker 2: love the Go Gos, and they'd be like, yeah, come
Speaker 2: on backstage, and then they'd you know, humiliate them and
Speaker 2: pr Go Gos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the actual no no no no, no no, I
Speaker 3: say that the Carlisle is not peeing on somebody in
Speaker 3: a studio in the hack and sack.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you this was a real thing.
Speaker 2: They actually had this, you know, hidden video of the
Speaker 2: Go Gos abusing multiple male groupies. It's no, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: Is this still out there?
Speaker 2: And the Robo sex tape, I don't know. I never
Speaker 2: bought one, but yeah they did that. And uh, like
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know how they got away with
Speaker 2: selling the Roblo sex tape, but I have to ask.
Speaker 1: I'll have to send a message and ask Nature Boy
Speaker 1: about that. If it's out there, he would know about.
Speaker 2: It, I bet you. But if he can't find it,
Speaker 2: I swear to you it existed. Uh and and I
Speaker 2: know it existedly.
Speaker 1: Oh the actual go Gos sim domming on their fanboys, kay.
Speaker 2: And it was like it was like a bonus feature
Speaker 2: to the Roblo sex tape that I mean, they probably
Speaker 2: suit him. But it was at least a year in
Speaker 2: the mid nineties that I saw that commercial on there.
Speaker 2: Every night, they it ran like almost like clockwork. You
Speaker 2: could turn it on at like well whatever time it was,
Speaker 2: like twelve thirty, and it would be on where they'd
Speaker 2: run like a three minute commercial at least, and they
Speaker 2: keep running it like they would just run you know,
Speaker 2: other crap in between, you know, what's going on in
Speaker 2: the uh in the sex business. Here's a you know.
Speaker 2: And oh and there was another show they had with
Speaker 2: a guy who just uh oh no, no, no, not
Speaker 2: a guy, a girl. Her name was Robin Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Robin something or other. She was like this old, way
Speaker 2: too old to be stripping stripper. And she did a
Speaker 2: talk show. So in between her little talk show guests
Speaker 2: which she would have on for five minutes, and they
Speaker 2: were like weird, like semi local celebrities and stuff. Robin Bird,
Speaker 2: that's what her name was. Robin Bird, and like I say,
Speaker 2: she was like a stripper, but she looked like she
Speaker 2: was about fifty, So she'd still be dressed in her like,
Speaker 2: you know, stripper gear, but she wouldn't be stripping. And
Speaker 2: what she would do is she would feature local strippers. So, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, miss Melody Candy is going to be at
Speaker 2: the Pleasure Palace on the nineteenth. Here's a little sample,
Speaker 2: and they would have the girl strip on camera, you know,
Speaker 2: go all the way down to the skin and go
Speaker 2: you want to see more, go over to the Pleasure
Speaker 2: Palace between the nineteenth and the twenty first or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then she would intersplice it with like a quick
Speaker 2: five minute interview. Like there were guys with like you know,
Speaker 2: these six man football teams or whatever locally you know
Speaker 2: where they get uniforms. They have like a league or
Speaker 2: like the adult men's Baseball League, the over thirty Baseball
Speaker 2: League or whatever. So she'd like interview a team of
Speaker 2: guys from one of those, you know, talk to them
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, oh, you got a strip for us, Robin,
Speaker 2: And she's like, you know, like fifty and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got a strip for us, baby, And oh no,
Speaker 2: I couldn't here. Let's go to this stripper and then
Speaker 2: she cut away to another stripper. And yeah, that was
Speaker 2: a whole other either half hour hour long show. And
Speaker 2: that one actually got kind of famous because she got
Speaker 2: a couple of like, you know, decent famous guests, like
Speaker 2: Howard Stern. I think he even did her show. Yeah, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it was weird and like, oh, Bob GUCCIONI,
Speaker 2: she got him. The guy who did a Penthouse magazine, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: He was also the publisher of Omni magazine, which was
Speaker 1: a very good magazine. I really enjoyed that one. It
Speaker 1: was all sci fi and it was just amazing. I
Speaker 1: mean you wouldn't you wouldn't associate it with him because
Speaker 1: he was, you know, publishing Penthouse, but it was. It
Speaker 1: was a great read. If you can find any old
Speaker 1: copies of it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just like the guy who published Hustler. He
Speaker 2: published a lot of other stuff too, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there for a while though, Larry Flynn just
Speaker 1: stuck with Hustler. That was his money maker.
Speaker 2: That's what made money. And then when he got put
Speaker 2: in the wheelchair, what were we going to do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, because they shot him somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I think he really got famous over
Speaker 1: the Jerry Fallwell flap.
Speaker 2: See that made a lot of people's careers, right, the
Speaker 2: big old you know, and a bunch of lawyers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's in the days of weird stuff like you know,
Speaker 2: everybody for what about Jessica Hahn remember her as a character?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, she was the victim there of
Speaker 2: Jim Jim Baker, right, oh yeah, and Tammy Faye up
Speaker 2: until a few years ago, I think is still out
Speaker 2: there with like some new preacher husband.
Speaker 1: No, she passed away, Oh did she? Yeah, Tammy Fay died.
Speaker 1: Now Jim Baker's back out there selling survival meals in
Speaker 1: a bucket. Oh, I mixed it with a little bit
Speaker 1: of salvation on top.
Speaker 2: Well, I mixed it up. I was thinking of that.
Speaker 2: I was going to bring up meals in a bucket
Speaker 2: next because apparently they didn't do that. Well, there's people
Speaker 2: sewing them over.
Speaker 1: Let's see Tammy Faye Baker, Let's see when she kicked off.
Speaker 2: See, I had it back forget I thought Jim died
Speaker 2: and Tammy Fay was still alive. I had it backwards.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking back though, thinking back over all this
Speaker 2: stuff and just saying to myself, you know, we had
Speaker 2: no Internet, and yet we pulled off this crazy like
Speaker 2: trash subculture, you know, even without an Internet. Because people say, oh,
Speaker 2: you know the junk culture is because of the Internet.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that, you know, the trash.
Speaker 1: And started it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe cable started maybe, but then again a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff happened without it. I'm just saying, I
Speaker 2: think no matter what technology you have, the the the
Speaker 2: greasy stuff is going to find a way, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like nature finds a way. You know,
Speaker 2: what's what's greasy, sallacious and like dirty. It's just it's
Speaker 2: going to find a way to creep it just is,
Speaker 2: you know. So we're out of the days when people
Speaker 2: actually have magazines, you know, but you know, and and
Speaker 2: also people used to wait for like a half hour
Speaker 2: for one dirty picture to load on their computers. You know,
Speaker 2: the technology will improve eventually, but no matter what technology
Speaker 2: you have, people find a way to pass around there.
Speaker 2: You know. Basis most what do you call that altogether?
Speaker 2: Just trashy behavior. I don't know what to put the
Speaker 2: whole category in what do you think?
Speaker 1: Hmm, I don't know. I think on that one something
Speaker 1: that would be all encompassing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got to be a term for it though, right,
Speaker 2: like just the the trashy, the worst part, the worst
Speaker 2: byproducts of American culture all folded into one, whether it's
Speaker 2: you know, Elvis is still alive or you know, or
Speaker 2: bat Boy or you know, I've been I was impregnated,
Speaker 2: I an alien, you know, combined with Jerry Springer, combined
Speaker 2: with the Roblo sex tape and the go gos abusing
Speaker 2: male fans. I mean, if you just put it all
Speaker 2: in one bucket, what would it be? You know?
Speaker 5: Oh god, no, the demoralization, yeah, Americas, the degradation, the
Speaker 5: the d it's something the dehumanization.
Speaker 2: No, not really, because it is human. It's the it's
Speaker 2: degradations like degradation, but not quite there's a better word.
Speaker 1: But see, I mean you think of you think of
Speaker 1: other things that came out like that. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at the Kardashians. How big the Kardashians have gotten in
Speaker 1: the cult of personality and where did they come from?
Speaker 1: There was you know, a slight they were kids of
Speaker 1: a famous lawyer. But where they got their fame was
Speaker 1: a sex tape, was a rapper, then it was played
Speaker 1: by their mom and produced into what you see now
Speaker 1: as the Kardashians. It all started with a sex tape.
Speaker 2: Right, But see there you go, there's the complete boomerang. Right,
Speaker 2: you start with the OJ murder, right, the OJ murder case.
Speaker 2: And this is how we even know who the hell
Speaker 2: Robert Kardashian is, right.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and without him, you'd have never known who
Speaker 1: the hell Kim Kardashian was, right, so.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have cared. But now you care because somebody
Speaker 2: puts out a sex tape and that boomerangs all the
Speaker 2: way around to just absolute gobblegum garbage culture because you know,
Speaker 2: it's not two salacious except you know what the rumors
Speaker 2: that she keeps having, you know, ass adjustments, you know
Speaker 2: with plastic surgery, so plastic surgery disaster and a sex tape.
Speaker 2: And the next thing you know is you got a
Speaker 2: billion dollar empire, right, and every relative she has now
Speaker 2: makes money, and you know, and that's been a weird,
Speaker 2: all encompassing world. I mean, that's actually encompassed Kanye West, right,
Speaker 2: famous athletes or semi famous athletes and supposed rappers. You know,
Speaker 2: raycon has a whole headphone company now right, whatever his
Speaker 2: name is, Ray You know what I'm saying, Like all
Speaker 2: the businesses and things that were spun off of it,
Speaker 2: it's like the spinoff that won't stop the OJ murders,
Speaker 2: the Star.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to describe it.
Speaker 2: You know, the spinoff that won't stop all beginning with
Speaker 2: you know, the Nicole said the Brown Simpson murder, right,
Speaker 2: the Nicole Brown Robinald Goldman murder. Excuse me, and that
Speaker 2: spins off into eventually the spinoff that won't stop the
Speaker 2: Kardashian junk culture. I mean, it's just and it's a
Speaker 2: whole thing unto itself. You can't argue, you know, a massive,
Speaker 2: massive media industry. And also that gives us, by the way,
Speaker 2: the spinoffs that won't stop. Everybody forgets again, Caitlyn Jenner,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't. I've never got Bruce Jenner turned it into
Speaker 2: a woman. Although you know there were people talking about
Speaker 2: that for years, you know that like long before Caitlyn Jenner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the word was out there, and then
Speaker 1: every now and then you'd see this little Bruce Sheenner
Speaker 1: was seen coming from a spa such as such, suddenly
Speaker 1: he's got long hair and suddenly he's got boobed.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's that was that was probably the worst kept secret
Speaker 1: before the big reveal.
Speaker 2: Well, even before.
Speaker 1: The past I'll say the past twenty years.
Speaker 2: Right, and even before the boob's and the long hair,
Speaker 2: if you remember, people were making jokes saying, something's up
Speaker 2: with Bruce Jenner because he looks like I don't know
Speaker 2: if he was taking the hormones ahead of time, but
Speaker 2: people were saying, like, Bruce Jenner now looks like a woman.
Speaker 2: Even family Guy you ever see the family guy joke?
Speaker 1: No, not a family guy fan?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, like ten years before the Caitlyn Jenner thing
Speaker 2: was out there, right, guy turns around and does this
Speaker 2: joke where they do cutaways and Stewie's supposed to be
Speaker 2: doing a USO show, right, you know, like for the
Speaker 2: troops over in Iraq or something, and he goes and now, boys,
Speaker 2: I want to show you what you're fighting for. America's
Speaker 2: an American hero, Bruce Jenner. And Bruce Jenner comes out
Speaker 2: and does like a nineteen forty striptease like he's a woman,
Speaker 2: but he's still dressed in his track uniform and all that,
Speaker 2: and Brian looks at him and goes after the cutaway.
Speaker 2: He goes, but but Stuwie, that makes no sense. Bruce
Speaker 2: Jenner is a man, and Stuie goes, No, Brian, He's
Speaker 2: actually a woman, a beautiful, powerful woman. And that was
Speaker 2: the joke like a decade before he saw Gitln Jenner
Speaker 2: on there, because it was kind of this, you know,
Speaker 2: just sort of weirdly muttered thing out there. Bruce Jenner
Speaker 2: looks feminine? Why does Bruce Jenner look feminine? He was
Speaker 2: the track star. He was a wheaties guy, right, He
Speaker 2: was actually a big star at one point, you know,
Speaker 2: just for being an olympian. What was it the seventies,
Speaker 2: right or was it the eighties?
Speaker 1: With eighties? I think, see Bruce did he have his
Speaker 1: big dcataloon.
Speaker 2: Bruce Jenner is in that weird pocket of like nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five to nineteen eighty five where you're not really
Speaker 2: sure sure where to put him. In my mind anyway, but.
Speaker 1: Now see this, I hate this. You go and you
Speaker 1: search for Bruce Jenner and you end up getting Kitlyn Jenner.
Speaker 1: I don't want Caitlyn Jenner. I want Bruce Jenner.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I'll take that argument as soon as somebody
Speaker 2: can explain to me where the cutoff is, because nobody's
Speaker 2: got the cutoff. I know, there you go, double on Tondra,
Speaker 2: but nobody's got the cutoff.
Speaker 1: Sea Stones seventy sixth Summer Olympics.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. And then we what did we do?
Speaker 2: We boycotted eighty four? Was it eighty four the boycott
Speaker 2: or was it a no? Eighty was the miracle on ice?
Speaker 2: So it had to be eighty four? Right?
Speaker 1: When was Carter in?
Speaker 2: What Carter would have been eighty still? Yeah, eighty four,
Speaker 2: so Carter, I don't know. We got to look at that.
Speaker 2: When did we boycott the Olympics? Remember there was a
Speaker 2: boycott and we didn't we didn't go.
Speaker 1: H hold on, Yeah, it was during Carter. Let's see,
Speaker 1: Reagan was in what till eighty and then we had Bush.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Reagan comes, Okay, Reagan's.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Reagan's after Carter. I wanted the hell? Am
Speaker 1: I thinking right?
Speaker 2: Reagan is elected in nineteen eighty, but he doesn't take
Speaker 2: office until eighty one. Ronald Reagan, and then he remains
Speaker 2: in there till nineteen eighty nine. Then he leaves office
Speaker 2: and in eighty nine that's when Bush takes over.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, let's see US Olympic boycotts. See what comes up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know we boycotted one of those years
Speaker 2: because there was a whole bunch of stuff printed and
Speaker 2: then people were like, now what do we do with
Speaker 2: our raw rah? You know Usa?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was you were right, it was
Speaker 1: in eighty It was in eighty because it was in Moscow.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Amy's thinking that was I was thinking that
Speaker 1: was that was Carter.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, nineteen eighty is cardinal. Nineteen eighty is still Carter.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: See that's the election year they elected its right, in
Speaker 2: November of eighty but anything else Remember the election A
Speaker 2: happens in November almost at the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and b technically Reagan doesn't take office until eighty one,
Speaker 2: even though he's elected in eighty right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were sixteen countries that took advantage of that,
Speaker 1: and it was because of the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan
Speaker 1: in December of seventy nine. Yeah, so that was still Carter.
Speaker 2: Right. So in eighty four we have the miracle on ice.
Speaker 2: Then that's the eighty four where we beat the.
Speaker 1: Russian because the Soviet Union wasn't then the eighty four
Speaker 1: they boycotted the eighty four Olympics because we bought boycotted
Speaker 1: the eighty Olympics.
Speaker 2: Well, figure out when the miracle on ice was, because
Speaker 2: now I'm having trouble with this. It had to be
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: That was the Winter Games of seventy six, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was that early because that would
Speaker 2: be a big Yeah. Let's look that up because that
Speaker 2: can't be See here we go, we're going back and
Speaker 2: forth in our memory and you never know.
Speaker 1: That was the Winter Olympics in eighty.
Speaker 2: Okay, Winter Olympics in eighty So back then they were.
Speaker 1: They had the Summer Games in the Winter Games at
Speaker 1: different times, right or no, they had That was the
Speaker 1: the first time they started having them in the same year,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so, So what happens is Okay, Lake Placid
Speaker 2: and it was uh and I remember it was Lake Placid.
Speaker 2: That's nineteen eighty all right, So what happens is we
Speaker 2: have the boycott of the Summer Games.
Speaker 1: Right, we boycotted? Oh god, let's see, Yeah, we boycotted
Speaker 1: the Summer Games because they were in Russia. Okay, So
Speaker 1: what they did is they boycotted the eighty four Games
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles Summer Games. The Winter Games in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty is when you had the miracle on ice.
Speaker 2: Right, because they were going to have okay, now I
Speaker 2: just looked it up because they were going to have
Speaker 2: it in Moscow the Summer Games. That's why. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: so they boycotted it in eighty. But then we went
Speaker 2: back and did we did the Winter Olympics, and that's
Speaker 2: when you get the miracle on ice. We did this
Speaker 2: team beating the Russians.
Speaker 1: All right, We did the eighty and then when the
Speaker 1: eighty four Summer Games came around in LA that's when
Speaker 1: the Soviet and just said we're not we're boycotting it
Speaker 1: because you guys screwed us over back in Summer Games
Speaker 1: of the thing.
Speaker 2: Right. In fairness, look, in nineteen eighty I was busy
Speaker 2: with a lot of things, and I was eight years old,
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, just saying my memory is
Speaker 2: just vague on this because it wasn't my main focus
Speaker 2: in life. You know what am I gonna say? But
Speaker 2: interesting nonetheless, Now why did we get on this?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Right, So I was trying to figure out when when
Speaker 2: Jenner was big, and apparently he did well in seventy six,
Speaker 2: so you know, he's already like on the Wheaties box
Speaker 2: and all that stuff when I'm a little kid, and
Speaker 2: Bruce Jenner was a star just for being a track star.
Speaker 2: And then he was kind of like not noticeable for
Speaker 2: a long time, you know. I mean I think they
Speaker 2: gave him some TV show roles stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 2: typical what they do, like they did with Mary lou
Speaker 2: Rettin and I think she was big at it game,
Speaker 2: I mean yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they put him on. I think ABC Sports
Speaker 1: had him as a sportscaster for a while, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of years, right, right.
Speaker 2: Because these kind of things would happen to guys who
Speaker 2: didn't have like a professional sport to go into, because
Speaker 2: there's no professional decathlon, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they would use him at the track
Speaker 1: and field meats and the you know, the US or
Speaker 1: is it the US Nationals and things like that, and
Speaker 1: he'd always be the guest announcer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give him that, give him the wat the Wheati's box,
Speaker 2: was always the big deal. Right, every athlete wants to
Speaker 2: be on a Wheaty's box, or at least used to be.
Speaker 2: So you got the Wheaty's box, and then of course
Speaker 2: they give him the McDonald's commercial. Right, These are like
Speaker 2: McDonald's commercial, your own shoe, you know, a sneaker, right,
Speaker 2: and in a Wheat's box. And that was like your
Speaker 2: your big prizes for no matter what kind of athlete
Speaker 2: you were, right, any kind of athlete, if you're the
Speaker 2: best at the best, then you should get the following
Speaker 2: three things. A McDonald's commercial, your own sneakers, and your
Speaker 2: face and your image on a Wheat's box.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean that's a given.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Bruce Jenner was one of those guys, you know,
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan would later on get that. Right. So
Speaker 2: the best of the best, just not in the sport
Speaker 2: anybody pays to go see, which is you know, did
Speaker 2: the Cavlon So it's not a pro sport, but the
Speaker 2: best of the best nonetheless, right, I mean the professional swimmer,
Speaker 2: what was it, was it, Greg Luganis or whatever? It
Speaker 2: won a whole bunch of medals. Right.
Speaker 1: No, you're thinking, well, cogainis. Yeah, he was a gold medalist.
Speaker 1: He's the one that hit his head on the diamond board, right,
Speaker 1: he was gay. That was his big thing.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The one that won all the medals was Mark Spitz.
Speaker 1: Spitz until this guy a few years ago, the big
Speaker 1: huge guys swimming, but yes, this was the one that Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Mark Spitz. I think it was seven gold medals, Martl.
Speaker 2: Smitz seven gold medals, okay. Is and we do have
Speaker 2: a caller and we're in talking about Olympic Games for
Speaker 2: some reason and uh oh, Bruce Jenner, that's what brought
Speaker 2: us into it. But I'm telling you today it was
Speaker 2: a long time. Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before you do that, though, you mentioned you mentioned
Speaker 1: the sneaker deals. Who was the first documented celebrity sneaker contract.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was Jordan that was for you,
Speaker 2: that was the first gigantic one. But Chuck Taylor is
Speaker 2: ja wait wait, Chuck Taylor is the first guy I
Speaker 2: know with a.
Speaker 1: Sneaker You got it there, Chuck Taylor in nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 1: or right, the Chuck Taylor All Stars from Converse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Converse All Star But the first one that was,
Speaker 2: like you know, Mega million.
Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty four. I mean, that's well, I would think
Speaker 1: Chuck Taylor. May if I don't know who's I'll see
Speaker 1: if we can figure out who sold more shoes in
Speaker 1: today's dollars.
Speaker 2: I don't know. In today's dollars, probably Jordan, but in
Speaker 2: volumes of shoes, it has to be Chuck Taylor, because,
Speaker 2: I mean, for Christ's sake, the converse.
Speaker 1: I was raised in Chuck Taylor's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for a long time. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, they went from being like the high end
Speaker 2: shoe to the cheapest possible shoe, back to the high
Speaker 2: end shoe again like three times. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you're talking about a shoe that's been around.
Speaker 1: That's funny. When I was in kid. When I was
Speaker 1: a kid, they were expensive. When I went in army,
Speaker 1: you could buy him for next to nothing. And then
Speaker 1: when I get out of the army, suddenly they're fifty
Speaker 1: bucks a pair, sixty bucks pair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They've gone in and out
Speaker 2: of style. Like I remember when I was a little kid,
Speaker 2: they were cheap. They were still cheap when I was
Speaker 2: a little kid, and then I got into like, you know,
Speaker 2: the around like say the grunge era of stuff, like
Speaker 2: in the nineties, and you know, Kurt Cobain's wearing him
Speaker 2: because he can afford him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They had astronomical Chuck Taylor like special issues.
Speaker 1: You know it was I bought, yeah, I know, I
Speaker 1: bought a pair for my girlfriend's dog in Switzerland. I
Speaker 1: ordered them, had them delivered here, and then picked them
Speaker 1: up here before I went back over. And I spent
Speaker 1: one hundred I think it was like one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty five bucks with tax or custom pair of Chuck
Speaker 1: Taylor's right.
Speaker 2: See. And today, at a certain point, Chuck Cheelers were
Speaker 2: the equivalent of like say a twenty dollars shoe today.
Speaker 1: You know, they were cheaper than that. Oh yeah, one
Speaker 1: time they were you know, twelve bucks a.
Speaker 2: Pair, right, right. They were practically like what did we
Speaker 2: used to go no name sneakers. We used to call skippies, right,
Speaker 2: That's what we called them. You know some brand you
Speaker 2: never heard of, or some you know, like made in
Speaker 2: Czechoslovakia or some nonsense, or made in some country that
Speaker 2: doesn't exist anymore. That's the funniest one. Sometimes you could
Speaker 2: get shoes made you know, like in a Marshal's or something.
Speaker 2: It's like, what country does this say it's from? Oh,
Speaker 2: that place doesn't even exist anymore. Literally that would happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yugoslavia. Where the hell is that?
Speaker 2: Yugoslavia. It was worse than Yugoslavia, though, I swear I
Speaker 2: saw countries on shoe brands that I never heard of
Speaker 2: at all, Like when did this place exist? And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: it was actually this republic that split up in a congo,
Speaker 2: you know, and made shoes for like six months. Here
Speaker 2: they are, and you know, and somebody imported them. But
Speaker 2: it was crazy anyways. Skippies is what we used to
Speaker 2: call the shoes that really weren't named brand. And nowadays,
Speaker 2: you know, there's lots of name brands, but for a
Speaker 2: little while there it was all dominated by certain stuff
Speaker 2: and not Nike. The first guy to propose that Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan's shoe deal with Nike, they thought he was nuts.
Speaker 2: They were like, this makes no sense. This hardly anybody
Speaker 2: knows that this guy is. Besides that he's not going
Speaker 2: to sell shoes, you know what I'm saying. And they
Speaker 2: became like an iconic thing, sneakers, which is weird. Anyways,
Speaker 2: we got this caller, so I wanted to get to him.
Speaker 2: You ready for that now or you got some more
Speaker 2: stuff you want to throw in on this?
Speaker 1: Nor bring them on it is.
Speaker 2: Listen, we're taking weird trips down the the what should
Speaker 2: we call this the the We're off roading in the
Speaker 2: in the land of American culture and going through some
Speaker 2: of the dark and ugly unpaved roads. How about that.
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing tonight so far. That sounds fair,
Speaker 2: of course, of course, all right, so let's get to
Speaker 2: our first caller. It looks like it's Danny from California.
Speaker 2: I think. Let's hope everything works good, Danny. How you doing, Danny?
Speaker 3: Good evening. I'm doing just fine, and it's and we're
Speaker 3: getting that feedback again.
Speaker 1: I must be too hot.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll try and turn it down for
Speaker 2: you a little. But I did turn down a volume
Speaker 2: a little earlier before we tested it, and i'm testing
Speaker 2: it with you, so sorry about that. If I'm not
Speaker 2: doing a good job, Let's see maybe if I put
Speaker 2: the input books down any better? How about that.
Speaker 3: A little bit. I'm just having a little feet back there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we've Merry.
Speaker 1: Christmas to all.
Speaker 3: I hope. Oh are you feeling better?
Speaker 1: Chuck?
Speaker 2: I am not in great shape, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I could not make it last night at all. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to describe everything that's going on, but
Speaker 2: I'm having a I'm having issues with more than just
Speaker 2: a back injury at this point, and I don't even
Speaker 2: know how to describe at all. And they can't seem
Speaker 2: to sort it out quickly because everything is appointments and
Speaker 2: hurry up and wait, you know, so I'm waiting to
Speaker 2: get word on what's actually going on, but I got problems.
Speaker 2: Like last night, for instance, I was throwing up when
Speaker 2: I didn't expect to be throwing up. And it's not
Speaker 2: because I got a virus. You know, there's something damaged
Speaker 2: in my gun.
Speaker 3: Did you get a concussion or concussion or something you
Speaker 3: got Okay.
Speaker 2: No concussion, that was November already, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm struggling with this now for two months hurt, and honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting I'm not getting treatment or attention very quickly,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to keep quiet because there's investigations and
Speaker 2: lawyers and all kinds of things. You know, so I'm not,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm a wreck, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to keep my mouth and they tell
Speaker 2: you don't even I had to sign a special thing
Speaker 2: about not sharing on social media what's happening. So that's
Speaker 2: why it's so vague.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, Okay, Well I'll change the subject if
Speaker 3: you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 3: I heard you talking about the Chuck Taylor's my my.
Speaker 3: My wife's got several pairs. She loves them, she loves them,
Speaker 3: and I wore them as a as a kid. In fact,
Speaker 3: when I played basketball in junior high, was the head
Speaker 3: conber uh all Stars of the High Tops with the
Speaker 3: ankles because I need the ankles support playing basketball.
Speaker 2: So yeah, did they You know, when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: they didn't make I don't take anything other than the
Speaker 2: high Tops. And it was only later in my adulthood
Speaker 2: that I started to see. Now maybe they existed before that,
Speaker 2: but they were all black. They were all that black nylon.
Speaker 2: It was you know, black, and they were the black
Speaker 2: and white shoes. They had the white tip and it.
Speaker 3: Was either it was either black or white. They didn't
Speaker 3: have now, they haven't had multi colors because my wife's good,
Speaker 3: she's she bought some green ones when she was in Chicago.
Speaker 3: She loves them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen every color. And as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I think there's a way you can like
Speaker 2: custom order like different different fabric, but like if you
Speaker 2: wanted to get plaid or like something that looks like
Speaker 2: a Scottish kilt, you could get a pair of Chucks
Speaker 2: made like had a Scottish kilt material. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's wild now, But at one point, I don't even
Speaker 2: remember the white ones. People tell me the white ones existed,
Speaker 2: but what I remember seeing they is just the black
Speaker 2: ones only, you know. And I also don't remember ever
Speaker 2: seeing low tops, you know, like they were all the
Speaker 2: high top sneaker and I liked them, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: And I was happy with them when they were cheap,
Speaker 2: and quite frankly, I think they were made better when
Speaker 2: they were cheap, which was a weird reversal for me.
Speaker 2: It was like they actually were more sturty. I had
Speaker 2: a pair of Chucks from the time I was thirteen
Speaker 2: to the time I was like twenty three, Like I
Speaker 2: had the same pair of Chucks that I didn't wear
Speaker 2: all the time I wore boots and other stuff, but
Speaker 2: I had the same pair of Chucks that I didn't
Speaker 2: wear out for ten years, you know, not again, not
Speaker 2: wearing them every day and probably just wearing them a
Speaker 2: couple of times a week. But literally, though, those are
Speaker 2: my go to shoes, and I wore them all the
Speaker 2: way the hell out, you know. They didn't just like
Speaker 2: one day crack after a year or two and be
Speaker 2: done or suddenly have holes in them. I had to
Speaker 2: wear those down. But somebody else I knew got a
Speaker 2: pair and like, you know, blew them out in a month.
Speaker 2: And it's not like they were in a star athlete
Speaker 2: or anything, just walking around. He just blew them out.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, how the hell do I have a
Speaker 2: pair that lasts for ten years and you get one
Speaker 2: and it doesn't last you know, a quarter of a year.
Speaker 2: But I've seen it happen, and I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know how they're made today, if they're like in
Speaker 2: good standing, or if they're back to boutique or are
Speaker 2: they back to cheap Where do you know where they're
Speaker 2: at now?
Speaker 3: I think they look similar everybody I know that they
Speaker 3: wear them. There's a guy I see it mass every Sunday.
Speaker 3: He's got his Chuck taylors on and he seems like
Speaker 3: he's been wearing the same pair for over decades. So
Speaker 3: it just I remember as a kid they held up
Speaker 3: pretty good. I was pretty hard on shoes to begin with.
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, a little throwback, and then then the
Speaker 3: Jordans came in, and they're still popular. Of the Jordans,
Speaker 3: I mean people pay a fortune for him.
Speaker 2: That's still pretty wild though, would be Pete doug Up.
Speaker 2: That's the first, like you know, player shoe deal, and
Speaker 2: that was done in the thirties.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you think about it, I mean they existed. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you're not one hundred years old, Danny, So they
Speaker 2: existed when you were a kid. Nope, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Michael, Yeah, Michael Jordan didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little kid bottom.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So I mean they existed when you were
Speaker 2: a little kid. But Michael Jordan didn't exist as as
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan yet, so you know that it was way
Speaker 2: ahead of him. And think about it, I mean, was
Speaker 2: there anybody else's name on a sneaker? I don't remember
Speaker 2: anybody else's name before that, so it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: But all the way back to you know, just after
Speaker 2: the depression, Chuck Taylor gets a sneaker deal obviously not
Speaker 2: worth the big money that Jordan gets, or I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess every athlete gets a sneaker deal now, you know,
Speaker 2: like I was saying, you get these three accomplishments as
Speaker 2: a modern athlete, you get the wheaties box, the shoes,
Speaker 2: and a McDonald's commercial almost always. And I remember that
Speaker 2: trend beginning with Mary lou rettin Believe It or Not,
Speaker 2: and and a Bruce Jenner, which you know are a
Speaker 2: similar time period to me, because you know, seventy sixty
Speaker 2: before it's not that biggest fan. But I mean think
Speaker 2: about that. That's like the weird sort of like cultural
Speaker 2: reward in America. If you're the best of the best athlete,
Speaker 2: whether you're a swimmer or a baseball player, whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: you get that. And then if there's a professional sport
Speaker 2: for you, you go pro. But other than that, you know,
Speaker 2: as an amateur athlete, that's you, that's your goal, the
Speaker 2: wheaties box, the McDonald's commercial, and the sneaker deal one
Speaker 2: way or another, right, right, So I don't know maybe
Speaker 2: I'm boiling it down too simple, but it just seems
Speaker 2: interesting to me. And again, I was thinking about these
Speaker 2: retro things from the late eighties and watching those old
Speaker 2: talk shows, which got me onto it. And that's how
Speaker 2: we ended up on you know, the spin off, that
Speaker 2: the never ending spin off of the Kardashians, which begins
Speaker 2: with the you know, the OJ murder trial. If you
Speaker 2: think about it, you know, and it's still giving, including
Speaker 2: going in weird directions like Caitlyn Jenner, you know, because
Speaker 2: would we care so much about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the funny thing is about the OJ trial is that,
Speaker 1: you know, Robert Kardashian was his lawyer before the trial.
Speaker 1: He wasn't part of the dream team. He could kind
Speaker 1: of stepped back once OJ got his big team in place.
Speaker 1: Well he was really, you know, he had really just
Speaker 1: that small little sliver of association with OJ Simpson was
Speaker 1: enough that when his daughter got caught banging on a
Speaker 1: tape with Ray J, suddenly everybody knows who she is.
Speaker 2: But you got to look back at that a little
Speaker 2: better at BP, because he was there on the dream
Speaker 2: team the whole time. Kardashian, he was there, He just
Speaker 2: wasn't he got pushed out of the lead by Johnny Cochran,
Speaker 2: but he was there from before they even arrested OJ.
Speaker 2: If you remember the Bronco chase was you know, Bob
Speaker 2: Kardashian had to come out to the cameras and go, look,
Speaker 2: we don't know where OJ is, right, and he's going
Speaker 2: we were going to take him over to surrender to
Speaker 2: the police, and he's gone. We don't know where he went.
Speaker 1: And the next thing, yeah, because they think that the
Speaker 1: Kardashian they think is the one that got rid of
Speaker 1: the suitcase for OJ, you know, when he came back
Speaker 1: off the plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You ever see that what is it called an
Speaker 2: American Story or whatever? It's like eight parts on the
Speaker 2: OJ Trial. You ever see that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was John Travolta plays Robert Kardashian. Really, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's pretty interesting. But I watched that thing, you know,
Speaker 2: from start to finish pretty much because I was doing
Speaker 2: office work at the time and it was kind of
Speaker 2: dead because I was doing a lot of international calls,
Speaker 2: so I had to be manning the phones like at
Speaker 2: weird hours, and so during the day though, I'd get
Speaker 2: paperwork done and I'd have the OJ Trial on you know,
Speaker 2: all day because that was like all day coverage and
Speaker 2: it was gabble to gabble, and you know, this is
Speaker 2: why we know names like Judge lance Edo, you know,
Speaker 2: and Marcia Clark want to change her hairdo and everything.
Speaker 2: It's crazy to think about how many years ago that is.
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder how much money Ojay actually spent
Speaker 1: on all those damn lawyers. Oh well, you know they
Speaker 1: were charged in a thousand or more an hour.
Speaker 2: Well it's in the millions. But I don't think anybody's
Speaker 2: ever really calculated all of what he spent because remember,
Speaker 2: he had to hire the guy who is now, you know,
Speaker 2: a cornerstone of the the Innocence Project or whatever there.
Speaker 2: I forget his name now, was it Sheck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry Shack, Barry Sheck, right.
Speaker 2: So he had to hire Barry Sheck. He had to
Speaker 2: hire Johnny Cochran. Johnny Cochran was not cheap. Bob Kardashian
Speaker 2: was still billing and uh, you know the whole way through,
Speaker 2: And there were other guys that were part of that group.
Speaker 2: There was like a oh man, there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: side characters. But how many lawyers were sitting at that table?
Speaker 2: Every day, six seven.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I was just looking at the list. The
Speaker 1: total Dream team was about ten lawyers.
Speaker 2: Here you go, but six or seven got to sit
Speaker 2: at the same it'd be like three or po.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot of the other ones were in
Speaker 1: the office. It says here that O. J. Simpson's defense team,
Speaker 1: known as the Dream Team, cost him and estimated fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a day during his trial, totaling around thirteen
Speaker 1: million over the course.
Speaker 2: Well that doesn't even seem right because fifty thousand would
Speaker 2: be one hundred thousand for two days, right, So that
Speaker 2: would be one and a half million a month. And
Speaker 2: you know that there was pre trial stuff. And how
Speaker 2: long did the trial last, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, went from the end of January October.
Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, maybe it is only thirteen Well no,
Speaker 2: it can't be thirteen million. You have to be closer
Speaker 2: to twenty. I'll tell you why. Because look, if you
Speaker 2: figure that, okay, if you go with that correct piece
Speaker 2: of money there, fifty thousand a day, right, that means
Speaker 2: that you have to do that. Okay. So if you
Speaker 2: if you put it together and you make two days
Speaker 2: worth one hundred thousand you got to do two days
Speaker 2: fifteen times every month, so you got to have fifteen
Speaker 2: times one hundred thousand. Okay, that's one and a half million, right,
Speaker 2: per month. And if you imagine that there was pre
Speaker 2: trial stuff that went on for a while, and you
Speaker 2: say that there was twelve months, even, well that's eighteen
Speaker 2: Well now this is eighteen million.
Speaker 1: Well no, because you think about it. From beginning of
Speaker 1: February to October is what nine months? So you figure
Speaker 1: what you said per month, Yeah, about six million, and
Speaker 1: then you take the other four or nine million, and
Speaker 1: then the other four about thirteen. Yeah, but you said
Speaker 1: it was nine million for such and such and the
Speaker 1: duration left was half that, So yeah, about another four
Speaker 1: and a half. So push you up there at thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't include any of the pre trial
Speaker 2: work though. See that's just the trial.
Speaker 1: Well now I'm just talking the trial itself. Just thirteen
Speaker 1: million is what Business Insider and these other places are estimating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for just the trial.
Speaker 2: But you know how it is with lawyers. Look, the
Speaker 2: work that they do slides into the trial, right, and
Speaker 2: you go ahead and try and separate their bills. Even
Speaker 2: they give you itemized bills. It's insane, you know, because
Speaker 2: you're making a call on a certain date, whether it's
Speaker 2: before or after the hearing, it's a follow up on
Speaker 2: the hearing, or it's in preparation for the hearing, or
Speaker 2: they're charging you to write, you know, the letters and
Speaker 2: make the phone calls ahead of time. Like every time
Speaker 2: these guys called them in jail, they were billing them, right,
Speaker 2: and they were doing that before the trial. They had
Speaker 2: to talk to them before the trial, so they had
Speaker 2: to charge them to go and sit down with them
Speaker 2: at the jail. You see what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's lucky they weren't charging him. Like
Speaker 1: what Fanny Willis's boyfriend down here in Georgia for one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty hours a week. Yeah, there's only one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight hours in the week.
Speaker 2: Well who the who knows, you know, because overlap and
Speaker 2: maybe it's more than one worker, right, because suddenly it's like, well,
Speaker 2: my paralegal did six hours on the same day that
Speaker 2: I did eighteen hours.
Speaker 1: So therefore, right, I had a lawyer. I had a
Speaker 1: lawyer explain it to me. He says, if I'm on
Speaker 1: a case and I think about that case for five minutes,
Speaker 1: I bill for ten minutes, he says. If I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there shaving and it just crosses my mind, he says,
Speaker 1: that's ten minutes. He says, So yeah, conceivably you could
Speaker 1: have a thirty hour day billing even though there's twenty
Speaker 1: four hours in the day.
Speaker 2: Well, the way it was explained to me by the
Speaker 2: musician shark lawyers I hired is, you know, if we
Speaker 2: do five minutes worth of work, we're not going to
Speaker 2: sit here. Billing you by the minute doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2: So the second that we start work, that's an automatic
Speaker 2: half hour. So you know, if I worked on it
Speaker 2: for ten minutes, or if I worked on a twenty
Speaker 2: nine minutes, you still getting charged for the half hour. Now,
Speaker 2: ten minutes after I finish my ten minute job, I
Speaker 2: start another ten minute job. That's another half hour, you see,
Speaker 2: So within the course of thirty minutes, I could have
Speaker 2: gotten charged for an hour just like that. That's how
Speaker 2: you double up an hour. How'es that sound to you?
Speaker 1: Fuck them? Yeah, that's why I hate lawyers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lawyers are great people, aren't they Just saying,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to come up with a creative
Speaker 2: way to explain to you that you actually owe me
Speaker 2: more money, and I'm being generous by charging you for
Speaker 2: an hour and a half hour's work even though I
Speaker 2: only did twenty minutes. So realistically, you get charged for
Speaker 2: an hour's worth of work when a guy does twenty
Speaker 2: minutes worth a job. Hmm, something doesn't sound question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you going to be doing Aaron tonight?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, cool?
Speaker 2: Yes, Aaron is. The only trouble we had is a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks go when he suddenly pulled up on me.
Speaker 2: But otherwise he usually tells me ahead of time, Hey
Speaker 2: I'm going to be there or not, and usually I
Speaker 2: get him here he's available. So tonight they said they'll
Speaker 2: be ready to roll. Why what time is it? A
Speaker 2: we run out of time ready?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 1: No, it's about seventeen after nine, is all. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to check, and that way I know to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on the clock. We have a tendency to
Speaker 1: sometimes run late, especially if Jimmy calls it.
Speaker 2: I look, I definitely am bad for getting blind on
Speaker 2: the clock and everything else. So Danny, what else is
Speaker 2: on your mind? Though? I love when you bring up
Speaker 2: different things, you can always twist into a new direction.
Speaker 2: We don't have to stay on here, universe. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a lot. I mean, I can either
Speaker 3: go dark or light.
Speaker 1: And I think since we're.
Speaker 3: Still in the Holy season, maybe a little bit of
Speaker 3: multi faith religion talk. How does that sound?
Speaker 2: Hey? Anything to get me out of the darkness that
Speaker 2: I'm in. Personally, I'm all for it. What do you
Speaker 2: think be perfect? Should we go? Well, I want to
Speaker 2: ask B Pete? Should we go h should we go
Speaker 2: multi faith religious talk here? What do you think of that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? In fact, if we do that, I can quickly
Speaker 1: bring in exactly what Boxing Day is because it's tied
Speaker 1: to the second day of Christmas today.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Okay, So did you hear the beginning where we
Speaker 2: were like going, gee, I don't know anything about I
Speaker 2: seem to remember I learned something about Boxing Day, but
Speaker 2: I've somehow forgotten it. So B Pete's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: Boxing Day, and I totally slipped my mind and I went,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't even remember what that's actually for.
Speaker 2: You want them to get into that first, or you
Speaker 2: want to go into your direction.
Speaker 3: No, No, let's let's let's let's let's have BP that
Speaker 3: direction and then we'll well I'll see if I can
Speaker 3: bounce off of that, because I've heard of that. I
Speaker 3: know a little bit, but I may have a completely different,
Speaker 3: different knowledge than bpe has. So there you got a
Speaker 3: few peak first.
Speaker 2: And I'm not recalling. So Professor B. Pete's gonna tell
Speaker 2: us about Boxing Day. Go ahead, bet Pete. Maybe we'll
Speaker 2: take a break after a little religious moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, yeah, because we'll get into multicultures too. This
Speaker 1: is Boxing Day, also known as Offering Day. So you
Speaker 1: were correct, you know it was, you know, offering to
Speaker 1: help the poor. It's a holiday celebrated on the twenty
Speaker 1: sixth of December, the day after Christmas. Boxing Day was
Speaker 1: once a day to donate gifts to those in need,
Speaker 1: but it has evolved to become part of the Christmas festivities.
Speaker 1: It originated in the United Kingdom and is celebrated in
Speaker 1: several Commonwealth nations. Uh so we're looking at what, Canada, Australia,
Speaker 1: wherever else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew it was something in Canada, Badge of
Speaker 2: the Road. Yeah. Sorry. That I could remember is that
Speaker 2: it had there was something done in Canada, but I
Speaker 2: couldn't remember much about it. Go Go ahead, good, great,
Speaker 2: and it works.
Speaker 1: Like everything that happens in Europe, they attach a bank
Speaker 1: holiday to it or a public holiday, and it may
Speaker 1: take place on the twenty seventh or twenty eighth, but
Speaker 1: they jiggle it up so it always falls during a weekday.
Speaker 1: You know, was point of having a bank holiday if
Speaker 1: you can't close down? It says to Yeah, they ensure
Speaker 1: it falls on a weekday and it is usually concurrent
Speaker 1: with the Christian festival of Saint Stephen's Day. Now, Saint
Speaker 1: Stephen's Day, I didn't realize was this big, but it
Speaker 1: says in parts of Europe such as East Spain, Catalonia,
Speaker 1: Valencia and the Ballaric Islands, the Czech Republic, Germany, Austria, Hungary,
Speaker 1: the Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, Catholic Romania, Sweden, Belgium, Norway,
Speaker 1: Latvia and the Republic of Ireland all celebrates Saint Stephen's
Speaker 1: Day and that's considered the second day of Christmas. So
Speaker 1: there you go. That's Boxing Day.
Speaker 2: All right, So that is Boxing Day and you have
Speaker 2: something to add to that, Danny, or you want to
Speaker 2: go in a different.
Speaker 3: Direction, Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I was aware that
Speaker 3: Saint Stephen, it was the twenty six was Saint Stephen.
Speaker 3: You know that he's was the first martyr in the
Speaker 3: Book of Acts. He was the first martyr of the Church.
Speaker 3: So that's his celebration as Saint Stephen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've heard of boxing because I've had friends that are
Speaker 3: from Canada and they, you know, they would always make
Speaker 3: like a comment that this is when we rebox the
Speaker 3: gifts that we don't want or something from the past
Speaker 3: and rebox it. But I didn't that. I didn't know
Speaker 3: the origin was from England. So I learned something. But
Speaker 3: one of the things that Cal was thinking about this season, well,
Speaker 3: go ahead, what.
Speaker 1: Is it you bring that up? Have you ever honest,
Speaker 1: be honest, now, have you ever regifted a gift?
Speaker 2: Hm? Absolutely, I know, Yeah I have. You know, you
Speaker 2: have no choice if you have something that you know
Speaker 2: is of value, right, it's valuable, but it has no
Speaker 2: value to you, like you're never gonna there is no
Speaker 2: like if somebody gave me, I don't know, a spaghetti
Speaker 2: making machine, a spaghetti machine and this this happened, all right.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that the Irin gifted a breadmaking machine.
Speaker 2: But there you go. See these these food making machines.
Speaker 2: For some of us, it's like it might make sense
Speaker 2: in your head, but I am never going to use
Speaker 2: a spaghett A noodle making machine. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna sit there. And what am I gonna
Speaker 2: do with it?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I know it's got value, People sell them. People get
Speaker 2: into this, they get into making their own stuff. They
Speaker 2: make cool things even, right, But that's not going to
Speaker 2: be me or anybody in my house. What am I
Speaker 2: supposed to do with the thing? Well, it's got value
Speaker 2: to it? Now, do you just go out and sell it?
Speaker 2: You know? What's better to sell it or to regift it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel better regifting it than selling it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's not just I mean
Speaker 2: some people I think do it to be cheap, and
Speaker 2: that's just all they're about. It's like, let me just
Speaker 2: make sure I don't spend any money, which you know
Speaker 2: is usually the people that have plenty of money. That's
Speaker 2: probably why they have plenty of money, because they don't
Speaker 2: spend it. But the thing is, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: because I don't want to spend the money. It's because
Speaker 2: I'm looking at something going, this is going to go
Speaker 2: to waste sitting here with me. You know, It's exactly.
Speaker 2: It's got some value, but I can't do anything with it.
Speaker 2: So give it to somebody who might, right, I mean
Speaker 2: yes or no? B Pete.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's why I got rid of the bread making machine.
Speaker 1: I used to bread all the time and a relative, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'll give him this, And when I open it up,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I make I make six loaves
Speaker 1: of the time. Why am I going to waste my
Speaker 1: time with this little machine that does it all and
Speaker 1: I still have to clean up a bunch of mess.
Speaker 1: This is crazy. I'll give it to somebody else, see now.
Speaker 2: Okay, And that's another weird thing with people that judge
Speaker 2: other people when they they they give gifts, or they're
Speaker 2: you know, or they go out to look for something,
Speaker 2: you know, people giving things. I'll tell you why I
Speaker 2: got weird on this. I put out a post recently saying,
Speaker 2: and this is true, me and Frankie are going to
Speaker 2: start a card collection. Okay. And the thing is, I've
Speaker 2: had baseball cards several times. I've had a couple other
Speaker 2: collectible cards. I collected magic the Gathering cards for a
Speaker 2: bit Okay, I've said this on the show, you guys know,
Speaker 2: but I don't have any of my collections anymore, none
Speaker 2: of them. Right. So my son who's eleven, is kind
Speaker 2: of like maybe wanting to get into cards, and he
Speaker 2: wants to like buy selling trade cards, okay, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: well what kind of card do you want? He has
Speaker 2: no idea what kind of card he wants. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if this kid wants baseball cards or he
Speaker 2: wants to collect, you know, a Pokemon or I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, And what the hell am I supposed to
Speaker 2: collect alongside of them? Well, I mean, I have my preferences,
Speaker 2: but and I wouldn't mess with the magic cards again
Speaker 2: because I don't want to play. No point in collecting
Speaker 2: them if I'm not going to play. But I could
Speaker 2: see collecting baseball cards, especially because you know, I see
Speaker 2: that there's kind of a past five six years, there's
Speaker 2: been a bit of a move like online, people making
Speaker 2: channels and stuff even out of their baseball cards and
Speaker 2: opening packs and showing things, and I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: a weird sort of community thing, and I could see
Speaker 2: getting into and that would actually probably get me back
Speaker 2: into watching baseball, right, so I could see recollecting baseball cards.
Speaker 2: But given the fact that I've already had collections I
Speaker 2: enjoyed and have no idea how to begin again with
Speaker 2: no money. I said online because I suggested this to
Speaker 2: a couple of people that you know, me and Frankie
Speaker 2: are going to make card collections. They said, well, there's
Speaker 2: always free cards around and I said, okay, well free
Speaker 2: cards from where? And they said, well, you know, you
Speaker 2: can write to places, and sometimes there are people that
Speaker 2: are collectors that want to give away cards to get
Speaker 2: somebody's Like Frankie started. I said, okay, well what do
Speaker 2: you mean like and he's like, you know, companies, individual people.
Speaker 2: He said, sometimes even if you just go to the
Speaker 2: flea market and you talk to a card guy for
Speaker 2: a minute, he might give you some of his junk
Speaker 2: just to get the kids started. And I said what
Speaker 2: kind is he said, well, it could be anything. And
Speaker 2: like you said, every card guy ends up with stuff
Speaker 2: that you know, they don't want, So they end up
Speaker 2: with like you know, Batman trading cards and they don't
Speaker 2: want them, but somehow they ended up with them. They
Speaker 2: might be happy to have you clean out a box
Speaker 2: or two or take home a box or two where
Speaker 2: their crap and that might be the card that Frankie
Speaker 2: wants because you don't know, you know, he might be
Speaker 2: into it. And they make collectible cards for everything, and
Speaker 2: I mean literally everything. If you think about it, anything
Speaker 2: of interest where there's people or things, there's probably a
Speaker 2: collectible card that covers it. Even recently, the Tops Baseball Company,
Speaker 2: you know, Tops card company, Tops Gum Company, really got
Speaker 2: backed the license to do WWE cards, so they're doing
Speaker 2: wrestling cards again right now. Some of this stuff is
Speaker 2: high end, boutique whatever, but there's also an era of
Speaker 2: overproduction where there's just so much crap out there nobody
Speaker 2: cares about it, and you know, and literally there's like,
Speaker 2: you know, a whole bunch of videos online and people
Speaker 2: writing stories about you know, being given a thousand cards
Speaker 2: or ten thousand cards or buying them for five bucks
Speaker 2: or whatever. So I put out a post on Twitter
Speaker 2: and Facebook saying, hey, look, if anybody has an idea
Speaker 2: where I get some free cards, let me know because
Speaker 2: I'd like to just you know, give him to Frankie
Speaker 2: see what it is he likes. And you know, so
Speaker 2: the first guy that I was talking to in the
Speaker 2: first place, gave me a thing to fill out. It's
Speaker 2: called Baseball Buddies or something, and supposedly if you write
Speaker 2: to them and you just you know, sign up for
Speaker 2: their newsletter, they'll happily send you some free cards. Supposedly,
Speaker 2: and apparently there's other offers like that for every kind
Speaker 2: of card collecting out there. So I don't have the
Speaker 2: ability to gather and I tried to search to find it.
Speaker 2: I don't see it. But I'm being told by people
Speaker 2: in general that you know, almost any you know, football, baseball, basketball, whatever, boxing,
Speaker 2: garbage pail kids, it doesn't matter. There's almost always either
Speaker 2: a community or a company or a manufacturer that gives
Speaker 2: away cards. So I in general put out that post
Speaker 2: ask does anybody know hook me up with the information basically,
Speaker 2: and I had people get mad at me, a couple
Speaker 2: of them like saying, like, you know, it's Christmas and
Speaker 2: you're asking for free cards. I said, I mean asking
Speaker 2: where it is that everybody gets them from, because I
Speaker 2: have no idea where to find them. It's an honest thing.
Speaker 2: I'll write to whoever or tell me where it is.
Speaker 2: I can, you know, make my request or whatever. But
Speaker 2: most people's stories I'm starting to gather revolve around them
Speaker 2: just sort of being lucky, being in the right place
Speaker 2: at the right time. And it's usually a face to
Speaker 2: face thing. However, there are other people out there online
Speaker 2: who make you know, videos and posts not my personal messages,
Speaker 2: who tell stories of you know, running into it on
Speaker 2: Facebook marketplace and buying it for super cheap, or showing
Speaker 2: up to buy something else, and somebody else goes, hey, look,
Speaker 2: also take these with you and turns around and gives
Speaker 2: them a box of cards that happen to have a
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth card in it, you know, And they don't know,
Speaker 2: they don't care. It was their great grandfathers, it was
Speaker 2: their moms, it was whatever or stuff they find in
Speaker 2: a junk drawer. You know. Somebody says, please buy my
Speaker 2: junk drawer full of crap, give me ten bucks. I'll
Speaker 2: be happy, and they walk away with, you know, a
Speaker 2: handful of baseball cards that are worth half of fortune.
Speaker 2: I'm not looking to walk away with half a fortune.
Speaker 2: I was just looking for how do I start to
Speaker 2: even physically get cards in this kid's hands so he
Speaker 2: can like discern and say, you know what, I like
Speaker 2: this and don't like this. I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: going to wind up, you know, collecting basketball cards, which
Speaker 2: would be one of the least interesting things in the
Speaker 2: world to me. But but if he does that and
Speaker 2: I simultaneously collect something with him, you know, eventually, when
Speaker 2: I have some extra money, I'll go buy some packs
Speaker 2: or something and you know, see if I can get
Speaker 2: myself started a little bit. And then i'll just you know,
Speaker 2: trade and acquire on the cheap. And once I get
Speaker 2: you know, healthy again, we'll go to the flea market.
Speaker 2: That's a good place to look for stuff, and we'll
Speaker 2: be on the lookout for broad sales and all. Like
Speaker 2: what people do I think in this hobby. But some
Speaker 2: people got mad at me, like I'm asking for free
Speaker 2: stuff on Christmas, and I'm like, well, first of all,
Speaker 2: there's a million people online asking for pre stuff on Christmas.
Speaker 2: But secondly, all I was asking for was the information.
Speaker 2: So you know, I mean, obviously, if somebody wants to
Speaker 2: donate some cards to Frankie, I'll be more than happy
Speaker 2: whatever they are, as long as they're not porno or
Speaker 2: something stupid, which they make those two. By the way,
Speaker 2: you know, there's cards for strippers and Playboy models and
Speaker 2: literally porno actresses. I mean not just collectible, not not
Speaker 2: just playing cards, which, by the way, come to think
Speaker 2: of it as the only cards I actually own right
Speaker 2: now is my Aces of Spades. I have an Ace
Speaker 2: of Spades collection and a handful of other odd playing cards,
Speaker 2: which I would gladly start to even trade for some
Speaker 2: of the you know, some baseball, some old junk baseball.
Speaker 2: I'll give you some decks of playing cards, or I'll
Speaker 2: give you some of my doubles of my Aces of Spades.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to break up that collection, but because
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep that. But that's the only card
Speaker 2: collection I have. I used to have a fairly extensive
Speaker 2: collection of all New York Mets cards, and my favorite players,
Speaker 2: mainly Nolan Ryan. Expect to recollect that, but gladly I
Speaker 2: would if it's available, or I find it, or I
Speaker 2: stumble across it. And I certainly if I started collecting
Speaker 2: baseball cards, I would start to hang on to the
Speaker 2: New York Mets as much as I could, just to
Speaker 2: kind of rebuild that collection, you know, little nostalgia rebuilds that.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be the first guy to do that, but
Speaker 2: I don't know what Frankie wants. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's gonna want Yu gi Oh cards or you know,
Speaker 2: or cards or the presidents of the United States. I
Speaker 2: mean literally, you can't think of something that involves people
Speaker 2: doing any activity that doesn't have collectible cards. And you
Speaker 2: know what, I challenge b Pete and Danny right now, actually,
Speaker 2: and then we'll move on from this subject, go back
Speaker 2: to the religious topic. But I'll challenge you, guys, do
Speaker 2: you want to take a break and give you time
Speaker 2: to think about this, because I want you to try
Speaker 2: and come up with a couple of things that you
Speaker 2: think don't have collectible cards, Like, don't look it up,
Speaker 2: just try to come up with, say two three things
Speaker 2: that you think don't have collectible cards attached to it.
Speaker 2: Activities that involve people. Here you go, that would be
Speaker 2: the only generalized category. You try and find me a
Speaker 2: couple of things you know, outside of ridiculous. Well, actually, no,
Speaker 2: you don't have to go out and forget about the
Speaker 2: outside of ridiculous. Any activity that involves people that doesn't
Speaker 2: have a collectible card that you could focus on. You
Speaker 2: see if you can come up with two or three
Speaker 2: examples both of you. What do you think of that
Speaker 2: you want to take that challenge during the break or
Speaker 2: you want to do it now? Bpete, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm doing now because I can't think of anything
Speaker 1: that doesn't have cards attached to it in some form
Speaker 1: or manner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't either, but maybe Danny can You want
Speaker 2: to do it now, Danny, or you want to take
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 3: I'm in the same boat. I can't think everything seas
Speaker 3: to have cards, and I have a little experience, not
Speaker 3: that I'm really a card collector, but they have grandchildren
Speaker 3: that are into cards and going shopping form I found
Speaker 3: out the pokemon is damn near impossible to get and
Speaker 3: found out what was my daughter informed? Because a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of grown men like to buy them up and
Speaker 3: hoard them as soon as they come out because they
Speaker 3: know they have some value to them. So are POGs
Speaker 3: They easy to find?
Speaker 1: Remember POGs?
Speaker 2: Well, see, POGs are a toy. I know they were
Speaker 2: a collectible toy, but they're a toy. I wouldn't categorize
Speaker 2: them as collectible cards, but I know they still exist.
Speaker 2: They don't have anywhere near the popularity or value they
Speaker 2: once did you know what I mean. They're kind of
Speaker 2: like beanie babies, you know what I mean. They still
Speaker 2: have some value, but yeah, nothing like what it was,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I look at beanie babies like bitcoin. You know,
Speaker 1: if you corner the market on beanie babies, they suddenly
Speaker 1: become worthless.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing about this, right, is that the
Speaker 2: cards are even funnier than that. Because I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: just think of any activity that isn't like outrageous or
Speaker 2: rediculous or illegal, and you know what, that's not true either,
Speaker 2: because there are collectible cards for murderers, you know, serial
Speaker 2: killer cards.
Speaker 1: That I've heard of, that.
Speaker 2: There's unsolved murder case cards. There is Most Wanted cards
Speaker 2: out there, which they actually usually put on playing card
Speaker 2: decks but become collectible where somebody's most wanted. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean just like the national one. I mean I
Speaker 2: I have a deck or had a deck literally and
Speaker 2: have the ass spades out of it from somewhere in
Speaker 2: Connecticut where they took a county and printed their fifty
Speaker 2: two most Wanted Criminals wanted posters on the cards. Okay.
Speaker 2: In other words, there's literally a collectible card for everything, anything,
Speaker 2: you can imagine.
Speaker 1: And yes, yeah, remember back during the Iraq War, they
Speaker 1: had cards out with uh certain people on them. Who
Speaker 1: was the who was the ass was Saddam the as spades, but.
Speaker 2: Ended on which kind of deck you got. There was
Speaker 2: one that officially went through the military, okay, like military
Speaker 2: people only could get a hold of them, like some
Speaker 2: general printed them up to start with. Those had the
Speaker 2: fifty two most wanted the people you wanted to kill
Speaker 2: in Iraq, okay, And those cards had Saddam Hussein is
Speaker 2: the Ace of Spades. Now there are other versions of
Speaker 2: Iraq War decks out there, and I happen to have
Speaker 2: a couple of different ones myself, and another version of
Speaker 2: them has George W. Bush as the Ace of Spades okay,
Speaker 2: and Dick Dick Cheney is also high up in there
Speaker 2: somehow too. And yeah, so you know depending you got
Speaker 2: colon pals got a card in that set, all kinds
Speaker 2: of stuff like that. Yeah, husaying is whosaying and oh
Speaker 2: I know what it was, husseyin and his two sons
Speaker 2: on the fifty two most wanted. That's what made the
Speaker 2: news because it was like, you know, when you when
Speaker 2: you get these guys, we're supposed to kill them all,
Speaker 2: Like the idea is to kill all fifty two of
Speaker 2: these key people. And one of them was named Chemical Ali.
Speaker 2: Remember they were calling the one character Chemical Ali. They
Speaker 2: were maintainer.
Speaker 1: It was in charge of the weapons, the mass destruction program.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but that was playing cards. But on top
Speaker 2: of playing cards, there's also been a collection for Desert Storm.
Speaker 2: There's been a collection for you know, different wars. There
Speaker 2: are Vietnam Retro you know, conflict photo photo collectible cards.
Speaker 2: See it's like a baseball card as opposed to a
Speaker 2: playing card. But the Iraq wars, both of them had
Speaker 2: both collectibles and playing cards. So I'm just saying there's
Speaker 2: like literally nothing you can think of that I can't
Speaker 2: find some way or other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Politics has a variety of cards. Some candidates have their
Speaker 2: own decks, you know, vote Bush Vote I have a
Speaker 2: vote Hillary vote Bush, and several vote Trump cards and
Speaker 2: my Asis page collections, you know, just stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But those are being made. I have one for JFK
Speaker 2: also because they made one during the Kennedy campaign in
Speaker 2: sixty and then there's a couple of you know, like
Speaker 2: ones that are meant to you know, be a flashback
Speaker 2: to it or whatever homage to the original deck. But
Speaker 2: you know, politicians make them, local companies make them to
Speaker 2: promote their companies. Playing cards, but collectible cards where you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a baseball card where you've got to figure
Speaker 2: on it and some sort of story or stats on
Speaker 2: the back. Some of those military cards you get a
Speaker 2: sniper and it tells you how many official kills they have,
Speaker 2: stuff like this. But they do that from everything from
Speaker 2: soldiers and firefighters in your local area. Like that's another
Speaker 2: thing is you'll see localized ones where it's like to
Speaker 2: raise money for the volunteer fire department, they release their
Speaker 2: own collectible cards. Cops in New Jersey tried to improve
Speaker 2: their uh there standing with the public and with the
Speaker 2: fact that the kids hated them in different neighborhoods by
Speaker 2: making a card out of each of the policemen so
Speaker 2: you could collect the sergeant and you know, and the
Speaker 2: commander of the watch, and you know, the chief of
Speaker 2: police had a special card. You know, this kind of thing. Literally,
Speaker 2: this is done all over the place. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't find a single thing in my mind there
Speaker 2: would be an activity that involves people that doesn't have
Speaker 2: a collectible card, and apparently you guys can't think of
Speaker 2: one either.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, there's a huge commercial bis War two.
Speaker 3: Nazis in the country of Germany may not find those.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well there are Nazi trading cards.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't sell I don't. I probably you go
Speaker 2: to prison for thirty years if you sold them in Germany.
Speaker 2: Are are you having trouble hear Are you having trouble
Speaker 2: hearing Danny?
Speaker 6: B Pete by the way, Oh yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 6: I try to I try to jump in when I
Speaker 6: hear a gap, and if I don't hear him, then
Speaker 6: I'll start talking and then eventually he'll start popping through
Speaker 6: a couple of words.
Speaker 1: So I really have no way of knowing who's got
Speaker 1: the mic.
Speaker 2: Okay, in real time, here's what's happening. You're you're on it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. We got to figure
Speaker 2: this out with you because you're you're on a delay.
Speaker 2: You're hearing a gap. Oh really? Yeah, because well not you, Danny,
Speaker 2: You're not on the delay. But B Pete is not
Speaker 2: hearing you in real Yeah. B Pete is not hearing
Speaker 2: you in real time, and so he starts talking, is
Speaker 2: he actually yeah, he's on a regular phone and somehow
Speaker 2: you Yeah, so it's a relay not in real time
Speaker 2: between you two. So it's a real issue.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not hearing. Apparently it's something in
Speaker 1: the the what is this jitsu or whatever it is
Speaker 1: you're using, it's you know, I hear delay with you
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, so some kind of maybe I should
Speaker 1: call in I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, we'll experiment with it next week
Speaker 2: because we're actually running down to the last twenty minutes here,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to give Danny a chance to fill
Speaker 2: in because we went off on a tear and I
Speaker 2: wound up side you know, side roading here with the cards.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't know why people are mad at
Speaker 2: me for that. I think it's stupid and quite frankly,
Speaker 2: all I'm saying is just point me to the stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not even asking anybody for anything except you know,
Speaker 2: tell me where I can sign up or how I
Speaker 2: can get in on all these giveaways everybody tells me about.
Speaker 2: Because I mean I literally had four or five people
Speaker 2: say to me, like, you know, you don't even have
Speaker 2: to pay. You can get him started for nothing, because
Speaker 2: people give away cards everywhere, and I'm like, okay, show
Speaker 2: me where everywhere is, you know what I mean, just
Speaker 2: to get him started at least, and I'll figure out
Speaker 2: my own collection as I go. Maybe somebody will be
Speaker 2: nice to give him baseball cards he doesn't want, or
Speaker 2: maybe he'll like baseball. We can collect them literally together.
Speaker 2: But either way, I wanted to do this activity with him,
Speaker 2: and I'm just thinking that we'll get actually much better
Speaker 2: selection of things if people from all over to place
Speaker 2: give us different ideas. And here's another thing. Some things
Speaker 2: are available in certain countries and they're either well not
Speaker 2: necessarily not available in the US, but nobody knows about
Speaker 2: them in the US. You know, Like I said, I
Speaker 2: guarantee you there's people in other countries that don't know
Speaker 2: that local police departments have literally put out like upper deck,
Speaker 2: you know, quality trading cards of their local cops. I
Speaker 2: guarantee you. You know, somebody in I don't know, let's
Speaker 2: pick a place Switzerland has no idea that that happens
Speaker 2: in America, So I assume the inverse is true. Also,
Speaker 2: there's probably stuff on you know, god knows what in
Speaker 2: other countries that I have no idea about. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe in Iran they collect the pictures of the moms
Speaker 2: and you know, the different iatolas. I don't know, who knows,
Speaker 2: you know, and in other places, maybe you get your
Speaker 2: head cut off because you're not allowed to make pictures
Speaker 2: of people. I don't know whatever, But I guarantee you
Speaker 2: there's collectible cards in other countries and who knows. So
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I just want to make that announcement
Speaker 2: on here too. If anybody knows about where to get
Speaker 2: you know, free cards or whatever, let me know, because
Speaker 2: I'll be more than happy to go send the email
Speaker 2: or you know, or apply for sign up for a
Speaker 2: newsletter or whatever it is, and you know, get him
Speaker 2: some free cards to get started with. At least they
Speaker 2: have something to look at, or if you know about
Speaker 2: a place that does it, because apparently there are card
Speaker 2: exchanges and things out there now, Like there's something called
Speaker 2: what not I think they call it. You ever heard
Speaker 2: of that bepete? What not?
Speaker 1: No, that's a new one on me.
Speaker 2: Whatnots kind of like a trading platform apparently for like
Speaker 2: card people, so they're different, like you know, influencers and
Speaker 2: stuff on there who like they do different drawings and
Speaker 2: games and things to try and encourage people. And again,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's all about people going,
Speaker 2: look what I have in my collection and trading with
Speaker 2: other people, like, hey, I've got all these from nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine, or you know, does somebody have the elusive
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three Fleer cards Because one year in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty three Fleer made cards baseball cards, and then they
Speaker 2: got sued and went away, and then they didn't come
Speaker 2: back again until nineteen eighty one. You know, hard to
Speaker 2: find stuff. If somebody has some of these Fleer cards,
Speaker 2: well maybe I have a Mickey Manno, I'm willing to
Speaker 2: give up, you know. And that's another weird thing is
Speaker 2: that you have the whole grading system and these guys
Speaker 2: talk about it, so it's like an online community of
Speaker 2: people to trade baseball cards with or not just baseball.
Speaker 2: I keep saying baseball because that's what I did first.
Speaker 2: But I mean in the first cards I ever got
Speaker 2: where somebody's junk. I picked up stuff literally off the street.
Speaker 2: And then there was an older kid who was like,
Speaker 2: I have so many doubles of this other crap here,
Speaker 2: take them and here take up my beat up cards
Speaker 2: because he's a beat up and I don't want them.
Speaker 2: And I took those and started a baseball card collection.
Speaker 2: And I did that a few times. But as a
Speaker 2: little kid, that's how I got into it. It's just
Speaker 2: other people's junk had value to me. So I was
Speaker 2: kind of looking to do that. And plus he's kind
Speaker 2: of interested in the idea of being able to like
Speaker 2: if he gets a massive collection, he'd like to go
Speaker 2: set up a flea market table. He's eleven, And you
Speaker 2: know what, I encourage the idea of go ahead, buy, sell, trade,
Speaker 2: learn how things work, learn how to wheel and deal
Speaker 2: with people. And this is a little different social interaction,
Speaker 2: but whatever, I kind of think it's a good, solid idea.
Speaker 2: But anyway, here I am. So if anybody knows about
Speaker 2: where to get cards of any kind from that, I
Speaker 2: could expose the kid to the card collecting. You know,
Speaker 2: possibilities in the universe. Why not, There's many worse things
Speaker 2: I could be doing to look to educate the kid
Speaker 2: about or to expose them to. I think, and before
Speaker 2: anybody asks, yes, indeed, all the pornographic stuff you could
Speaker 2: possibly imagine is covered in collectible trading cards as well.
Speaker 2: You know, everything from like tame things like swimsuit models
Speaker 2: all the way to yep, hardcore whatever, and you know
Speaker 2: cards that are based on sexual positions and the funky stuff.
Speaker 2: There is stuff from like the nineteen seventies, which is
Speaker 2: hilarious because you know, find the genitals among the hair
Speaker 2: is usually the game there, but you know, and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and you see like, you know, white guys
Speaker 2: with afros on there. I mean, all kinds of funky
Speaker 2: stuff in the nineteen seventies, porno cards, but you know,
Speaker 2: they exist all that. And also, oh, Asians, there's lots
Speaker 2: of like Asian women collectible cards. I don't even know
Speaker 2: these women are, but apparently they're famous for something or
Speaker 2: other and they're naked. I don't know why. And you know,
Speaker 2: the language on the card is Korean or Japanese or
Speaker 2: Vietnamese or whatever, so I can't recognize that language at all.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what they are. I just know
Speaker 2: that these are naked Asian women, you know. So everything
Speaker 2: from that to the collectible card games is available. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: anybody who has information about that, feel free to share
Speaker 2: it with me, and I will gladly report on it,
Speaker 2: talk about it in hell. Who knows, maybe Frankie could
Speaker 2: start his own little podcast off of it. You know,
Speaker 2: here's my adventures in collecting cards with my dad. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think that's a bad idea. It
Speaker 2: could show you a lot of interesting things and glimpses
Speaker 2: into you know, other Americans and interacting with them. How
Speaker 2: about that good wholesome, clean fun if you ask me.
Speaker 2: But I'm a jerk as usual anyway, I wasted a
Speaker 2: lot of time on this. I'm sorry, Danny, No, I
Speaker 2: don't think you're jerk.
Speaker 3: I think I think that's great. Anything to do with
Speaker 3: your family or child or a young person, you know,
Speaker 3: especially a father's son relationship, that's great. I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I'm happy. I think that's that's not being a jerk,
Speaker 3: it's being a good father.
Speaker 2: I think it's And I also think it's a good
Speaker 2: relatable it's it's a good relatable way to interact right
Speaker 2: where you don't have you know, the problems and who's
Speaker 2: going to socially What social judgment could you actually have
Speaker 2: against me for saying, you know what, I want my
Speaker 2: kid to collect baseball cards. I mean, you know, welcome,
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Beaver's dad, where you've been, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a throwback of everything, you know, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: These were some of the very few and far between
Speaker 2: positive things in our culture. I thought at one time
Speaker 2: you could share something like that with, you know, with
Speaker 2: a mentor adult, a father figure of sorts. And you know,
Speaker 2: some people had dads, and some people had uncles, and
Speaker 2: some people had older brothers. But either way, it was
Speaker 2: a good way of relating to somebody on a mutual
Speaker 2: ground where you had a shared interest. And who knows,
Speaker 2: maybe that grows into us watching I mean, God knows,
Speaker 2: I'm picking out of the air ice hockey together. Maybe
Speaker 2: he gets into hockey because he likes I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know. And I've got into baseball, you know, not
Speaker 2: just because my dad watched a couple of games with
Speaker 2: me when I was very tiny. I have fond memories
Speaker 2: of that, but that only really connects to the fact
Speaker 2: that I ended up with baseball cards and then I
Speaker 2: turned on a TV. And I've told that story several times,
Speaker 2: where you know, I went back and forth on two channels.
Speaker 2: I saw the Mets and the Yankees play, and I
Speaker 2: preferred the Mets because I'm stupid, you know. Well, really
Speaker 2: it's because they didn't have a designated hitter. Now everybody does,
Speaker 2: but they didn't have a designated hitter, and just me
Speaker 2: making sense of the game, I liked that better. I
Speaker 2: thought it had more integrity. So I wanted to watch
Speaker 2: the Mets. And also they had a guy on the
Speaker 2: team with the two l's and an E at the
Speaker 2: end of his name, and I said, hey, look that
Speaker 2: guy's got a Scilian name like mine. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just that simple in a six year old's brain. Sorry,
Speaker 2: but look, it's an Italian. Look it's baseball. It's just
Speaker 2: like the guys on my cards. And you know, so
Speaker 2: I'm still watching the Mets off and on. But I
Speaker 2: watched it for a long long time, all the way
Speaker 2: into the nineties, so, you know, twenty years I spent
Speaker 2: on something because baseball cards and a couple other fragmented
Speaker 2: things that happened, and I think that was probably one
Speaker 2: of the more you know, culturally acceptable things that I
Speaker 2: went through in my childhood. So I don't think it's
Speaker 2: a negative thing at all. I can't find negativity in it,
Speaker 2: you know, except, of course, there's always a corrupt corporation
Speaker 2: trying to you know, whip people and and and suck
Speaker 2: the life out of them through through whatever they can,
Speaker 2: because you know, believe me, there's corruption even in the
Speaker 2: baseball card collecting world. You know, TOPS is kind of
Speaker 2: a really a messed up corporation who takes advantage of
Speaker 2: its customers and screws people out of money and licensing
Speaker 2: and everything else. But you know, if you can put
Speaker 2: that aside and just partake in the activity, eh, not
Speaker 2: so bad, you know what I'm saying, Like, judge me
Speaker 2: for that, go ahead. But anyway, sorry, Danny, again, these
Speaker 2: are my weird thoughts, and that's what happens.
Speaker 3: I think that's great. I have some grand well, my
Speaker 3: son like collecting cards. He liked basketball, football, and when
Speaker 3: I was a child I collected. Man, I'm now really
Speaker 3: tempted to go look for my box my baseball cards
Speaker 3: I got to hit. I get cards from the early seventies,
Speaker 3: you know, you see, I just some of them are
Speaker 3: real valuable.
Speaker 1: Isn't that hilarious?
Speaker 3: Second Christmas basketball cards?
Speaker 2: Danny, let me just pause you for a second, because
Speaker 2: isn't that amazing? I bring this up right, and then
Speaker 2: you have a nostalgic reaction, which I think people have
Speaker 2: to a lot of things. But you have a nostalgic reaction,
Speaker 2: excuse me, And you just connected to what it was
Speaker 2: I was talking about because I vaguely talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: the general sort of story of me getting into it
Speaker 2: as a child. You went back to that. You got
Speaker 2: an emotional response literally okay, to that thing. And this
Speaker 2: is the organic nostalgia, the one that they don't manufacture.
Speaker 2: This is actually just related from one person to another.
Speaker 2: Right probably when we're done with the shows tonight, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get ads for baseball card companies. But you know,
Speaker 2: my YouTube and whatnot. But the thing is, our brains
Speaker 2: are designed to pick up on this stuff. And look
Speaker 2: what happens. He went through a nicer time in his life.
Speaker 2: He's thinking back to spending time with his kids, and
Speaker 2: he's like, and I'm almost tempted to go ahead and
Speaker 2: physically reconnect with this thing. See there's something to that,
Speaker 2: that physical reconnection with something, or that physical connection to
Speaker 2: an object, which isn't about necessarily material things, but the
Speaker 2: material thing being like a gateway into something that's much larger.
Speaker 2: That emotional response, that mentality that emotional you know time
Speaker 2: period that you know this is literally the lever that
Speaker 2: make America great again works on. It's just that, you know,
Speaker 2: does it work on something that's organic, legitimate or is
Speaker 2: it manufactured and manipulated. That's the question. But what you
Speaker 2: and I just had there this reaction that you have
Speaker 2: where you're like, I'm tempted to go find what I
Speaker 2: still keep as a grown man decades later, I still
Speaker 2: do these things and I'm tempted to go get them
Speaker 2: and reconnect with them physically right now, just based on
Speaker 2: the suggestion through me telling you know, a story. And
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get you to go reconnect or anything.
Speaker 2: It's just I'm telling a story and you did the
Speaker 2: natural thing and organically connected to it. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to point that out as you're going and please continue.
Speaker 2: You were collecting in the seventies, and I was at
Speaker 2: the tail end of the seventies. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 2: six years old, so that's nineteen seventy eight, and that
Speaker 2: means that I was picking up cards in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: nine and eighty. That's where my collecting began. And I
Speaker 2: did that all the way through until I became homeless
Speaker 2: in the mid nineties, right, So, I mean, you know
Speaker 2: that's something I maintained for many, many years. I lost
Speaker 2: that collection, uh you know, ex wife and all. And
Speaker 2: then I got another collection that had to be abandoned
Speaker 2: later for similar reasons. But I had two collections that
Speaker 2: I that I painstakingly put together for years and years
Speaker 2: and lost them both. And still I have this urge
Speaker 2: in this idea that I'd like to reconnect to this
Speaker 2: thing that I keep losing, you know. So in this time,
Speaker 2: I think it's even better because I get to do
Speaker 2: it with my son, which I didn't get to do
Speaker 2: with the first son because you know, he didn't really
Speaker 2: grow up in my house or anything. He wasn't right there.
Speaker 2: But this opportunity I'm trying to take with it. And
Speaker 2: you were saying that your son got into card collecting.
Speaker 2: Now did you bring him to it? How did you
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 3: Yep? Oh he did, he did it himself. He was
Speaker 3: at Anna mm hmmm. Uh.
Speaker 2: This sucks.
Speaker 1: To the late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this sucks because you're you're you broke up
Speaker 2: all over the place. And now I'm looking at and
Speaker 2: now I'm looking at the damn clock and I'm no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's not your fault. But not only is that you
Speaker 2: breaking up everywhere, But I'm looking at the clock. I're
Speaker 2: almost at a time. Damn. I was too long winded
Speaker 2: and I didn't even go to a break this whole time.
Speaker 2: I suck at this. I really do when I'm not myself.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry everybody. Oh man, look, Danny, I apologize that
Speaker 2: I talk too much when you were on.
Speaker 3: No Worries.
Speaker 2: But look, take this opportunity now before I start talking again. Uh,
Speaker 2: to give yourself a final word here, because I got
Speaker 2: aaron to start up in only a few minutes here
Speaker 2: on ocelly dot com radio. So please take your time
Speaker 2: to do a final sweep if you will.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, let me let me hopefully I'm not breaking up.
Speaker 3: But here's the deal. I mean, the baseball and baseball
Speaker 3: cards go back to me, you know, in the sixties,
Speaker 3: because I remember being six years old, I wanted to
Speaker 3: go play my first baseball game and my father, I
Speaker 3: remember he got tickets. It was Days versus the Oriyals
Speaker 3: or Worlds and were the world champions. My father gave
Speaker 3: up those tickets to go watch me play baseball. My
Speaker 3: grandfather bought me my first SMIT when I was six
Speaker 3: years old. We shared the same birthday, and I started
Speaker 3: collecting cards in the seventies just because other kids are
Speaker 3: doing it, and always that a connection to baseball, and
Speaker 3: my son got into My grandkids are into cards. One
Speaker 3: ers into Pokemon, when is into basketball cards. And I
Speaker 3: still hold on to an old collection that I put
Speaker 3: away and I don't see for a decade or once
Speaker 3: in a while hold out and look at it. So
Speaker 3: I think that's great. I think that's a good thing
Speaker 3: to ball with your father. And you know, my favorite
Speaker 3: all time movies The Field of Dreams, and I'm always
Speaker 3: going to be ball like a baby when he's at
Speaker 3: the end of the movie when he's playing catch.
Speaker 2: What's his dad?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Right? No, that's and that's an amazing thing. It's one
Speaker 2: of these things that we could retain as positivity right
Speaker 2: from this cultural mess that we were talking about earlier
Speaker 2: and the degradation or downgrading of American culture. We could
Speaker 2: gather up some of those good, old original pieces that
Speaker 2: weren't so bad. You know, it's just a possibility. Anyways,
Speaker 2: be Pete, anything you want to throw in before we're
Speaker 2: all done here, because The Age of Transitions begins at
Speaker 2: ten pm Eastern on Ocelli Radio Live. So up to
Speaker 2: you be Pete with the delay, can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Be Pete. You weren't hearing me? Were you? Okay? Well
Speaker 2: be Pete if you know on hearing anything at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you got a final word you want to throw
Speaker 2: in because the Age of Transitions begins at ten pm
Speaker 2: Eastern on Ocelli Radio. We got to figure out this
Speaker 2: delay issue with you, but I want to give you
Speaker 2: a final word because we're done pretty much.
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Speaker 2: to this point with my last minute here, and I'm
Speaker 2: sorry that we you know, I over talked here. I
Speaker 2: didn't intend to, but we covered a lot of ground, actually,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad that Danny called in at least, and
Speaker 2: hopefully more of you will join us in the near future,
Speaker 2: because that's what makes it interesting.
Speaker 3: But