Speaker 1: What is happening and what is a Hold out your
Speaker 1: glass because we're about to feel it.
Speaker 2: All things continually lead back to serpents, dragons, fairies, nepheline,
Speaker 2: and fallen angels. In the distance looms a mystical mountain.
Speaker 2: As Mike Kaiser used to say, if it's in the
Speaker 2: Bible and it's weird, it's probably important. At its peak,
Speaker 2: a great fire burns, concealing the Prometheus lens.
Speaker 3: This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within
Speaker 3: the mystery schools.
Speaker 2: An ancient artifact said to reveal the hidden truth within
Speaker 2: a deliberately darkened world. There is a hidden history that's
Speaker 2: been deliberately obscated from the.
Speaker 1: People's little world.
Speaker 2: Join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown.
Speaker 2: It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save,
Speaker 2: and innumerable treasures to hoard.
Speaker 1: Torches high the Smithsonian they call wind of the Giant Spell.
Speaker 3: You would send their agents out to get.
Speaker 2: It, but it takes courage to move forward, to move
Speaker 2: out of the shadows, out of the punt reality that
Speaker 2: we think of his reality.
Speaker 1: We are all on the hero's journey.
Speaker 2: Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extraterrestrials.
Speaker 1: Leave the sitchen mound of bull feathers out of it.
Speaker 2: You know, look at it from a different perspective, different perspective, perspective.
Speaker 3: What's up, everybody, Welcome to another episode. So happy to
Speaker 3: have you here. Today we have Justin from a Prometheus Lens.
Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting talk, but for now,
Speaker 3: I'll let him introduce himself, tell you all a little
Speaker 3: bit about his show, where you can find his show,
Speaker 3: and where you can find him Justin. How's it going, man?
Speaker 1: Right, I'm doing good man. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: And as we said pre roll, I appreciate your forgiveness
Speaker 1: and your leniency on an old man. We were supposed
Speaker 1: to talk last week and I had went to a
Speaker 1: conference and I was like, oh yeah, man, after that
Speaker 1: long drive, I'll be good to go, and I was
Speaker 1: totally not, so you were kind of gracious enough to
Speaker 1: reschedule with me. But yeah, my show is called The
Speaker 1: Prometheus Lens Podcasts, and I tell people what I've kind
Speaker 1: of just coined it as the Hero's Journey, and it
Speaker 1: kind of goes it's like a play on words on
Speaker 1: the like the allegory of the Cave and Plato, how
Speaker 1: you know, we have to go into the unknown, we
Speaker 1: have to slay the dragon and rescue the damsel, but
Speaker 1: to come out on the other end as heroes and
Speaker 1: take that great prize that we got from our journey.
Speaker 1: You know, the Greeks, they referred to it as a
Speaker 1: boon if you take that boon and share it with
Speaker 1: the world. So that's kind of what we do on
Speaker 1: the show. I just like looking at everything from Aliens
Speaker 1: to Jesus, to conspiracy theory and cryptids and just filter
Speaker 1: all of that stuff through the Bible. So I think
Speaker 1: that the Bible is the most supernatural book in the world,
Speaker 1: and it has the answers to all that stuff. You
Speaker 1: just know where to look and how to read the
Speaker 1: texts and anywhere you can consume content. Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
Speaker 1: all the social media's. You just search up Prometheus's podcasts
Speaker 1: and you can find the content there.
Speaker 3: Nice man, Nice. So first, my first question is what
Speaker 3: made you want to start your podcast in covering what
Speaker 3: all this stuff that you cover, Well, that door.
Speaker 1: How they turned the Red peel. I took the Red
Speaker 1: Pill in twenty twelve, and I was a guy that
Speaker 1: grew up in churchy's whole life and was always fascinated
Speaker 1: with the scriptures. And I was that kid in Sunday
Speaker 1: school that always raised his hand and asked a teacher
Speaker 1: of a million questions and probably got on their nerves.
Speaker 1: And I always loved history. That was always my favorite
Speaker 1: subject in school. Mythology and the ancient Greeks and just
Speaker 1: all that stuff just was a really big turn on
Speaker 1: for me, even as a young kid. And I had
Speaker 1: discovered this guy named trace Meth one day, just kind
Speaker 1: of scrolling on YouTube, and he was talking about DMT
Speaker 1: rems and people tripping and ghosts and demons and Nephelom
Speaker 1: giants and just all this, you know, crazy stuff that
Speaker 1: you know, I thought was crazy at the time. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy's a heretic because he kept saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is all in your Bible, this is you know,
Speaker 1: it's here, here, here, And I'm like, dude, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of walked away from the faith.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say I was never a non believer,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of rebelled and quit going to church,
Speaker 1: quit reading my Bible and stuff. But I still knew
Speaker 1: the stories and I'm like, no, that stuff ain't isn't that?
Speaker 1: And I pulled out my Bible and started going through everything,
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, yes it is. And
Speaker 1: it just kind of lit this fire under me because
Speaker 1: he was showing me all this stuff that was right
Speaker 1: there in front of my face of this book that
Speaker 1: I thought I knew so well, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: jack Man. And he introduced me to Derek Gilbert, Michael Heizer,
Speaker 1: just all these great minds in this space, and I
Speaker 1: just started reading their books. And I've never been a
Speaker 1: guy that liked to read, but it was just like
Speaker 1: it did. It just starked this fire under me and
Speaker 1: this thirst to learn all this stuff. And next thing
Speaker 1: you know, it's I'm that guy that's reading two or
Speaker 1: three books at a time and can't stop and learning
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And it went on for several years
Speaker 1: to probably around twenty twenty two, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I started making little videos on Facebook, just doing little
Speaker 1: teachings on some of this weird stuff. And then I
Speaker 1: invited like fifteen twenty guys that I was friends with
Speaker 1: and went to church with because I started going back
Speaker 1: to church, and I only had four guys show up
Speaker 1: we had three meetings and I covered the Unseen realm
Speaker 1: Michael Heiser's three Rebellions. And after those three meetings, one
Speaker 1: of my friends, his name is Steve, he was like,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about some pretty profound stuff here. We
Speaker 1: should start a podcast. And I'd never even listened to
Speaker 1: a podcast. I didn't know what a podcast was. I mean,
Speaker 1: I kind of had an idea that it was like
Speaker 1: internet radio, and I'm like, no, man, I ain't doing that,
Speaker 1: and he rode me for several weeks. He had a
Speaker 1: brother that had a podcast, and he was like, he
Speaker 1: can show us how to do everything, and it'd be cool.
Speaker 1: And also we can spread this knowledge and these nuggets
Speaker 1: to all these other people, get them excited to read
Speaker 1: their Bible again. Man, it'd be awesome. And so I
Speaker 1: ended up doing it, and we've done that for which
Speaker 1: we still do it. But that's called the Big Bible Podcast.
Speaker 1: But that was just a ministry and that was just
Speaker 1: about the Bible, and we talked about the weird things
Speaker 1: the Bible and salvation and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But then I started just seeing all the connection points
Speaker 1: with ancient history, lost civilizations, created conspiracy theories and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I want to do my own show, and I want
Speaker 1: to go deeper. I want to talk about all this
Speaker 1: other stuff. So yeah, that's how I ended up birthing
Speaker 1: the Prometheus lens. That way, I can just get as
Speaker 1: weird and as fringe as I want to without upsetting
Speaker 1: anybody or making my friends look like total nutjobs. I
Speaker 1: can just look like the nutjob.
Speaker 3: I like that. That's kind of like similar to how
Speaker 3: my podcast was born. I think it was like twenty
Speaker 3: twenty was when you know, I kind of took the
Speaker 3: red pill. You know, obviously the thing that you know
Speaker 3: happened and all that that year. My buddy he was
Speaker 3: telling him, he's like giving me nuggets and stuff, kind
Speaker 3: of like this Trey Smith guy did for you. And
Speaker 3: he's telling me to read this book and that book,
Speaker 3: and he got me on to I think I have
Speaker 3: the book here or I know it's here somewhere because
Speaker 3: I read it in my hand. Although I think audio
Speaker 3: books are probably the way to go for me now,
Speaker 3: just because I have such little time to read, and
Speaker 3: it's I have more time being able to listen because
Speaker 3: I drive for a living. But yeah, he started a
Speaker 3: podcast and he was just talking about He's his boys
Speaker 3: more like Joe Rogan style, where he brings people on
Speaker 3: and they talk about like a vast range of different things,
Speaker 3: but in each one he always like kind of brings
Speaker 3: up a conspiracy. And I went on his his show
Speaker 3: a couple of times, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I want to do this, but I want to do
Speaker 3: it more like in the realm of like conspiracy religion,
Speaker 3: like exploring spirituality, you know, goats and all the supernatural stuff.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of like how this this came about
Speaker 3: it And it was slow gooing the first year. I
Speaker 3: think the first year I started was twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: like in the spring, and then I don't think it
Speaker 3: was until twenty twenty two when the ball really started
Speaker 3: rolling and I started talking to more people, because I mean,
Speaker 3: I love talking to people about this stuff. It's interesting.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've I think I've heard a little
Speaker 3: bit of I think I heard you on Heidi's podcast
Speaker 3: was the first time I ever heard heard you And
Speaker 3: that was a really good episode. And I love Heidi
Speaker 3: to death. She's you know, she's heart her and I
Speaker 3: become pretty close, and I think she becomes pretty close
Speaker 3: with everybody, she about everybody she has come on. So yeah, man,
Speaker 3: it's it's have you so do you I haven't been
Speaker 3: been able to check out your personal podcast as of yet,
Speaker 3: but do you bring on guests as well or do
Speaker 3: you more so talk to people on your own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's kind of like in the style
Speaker 1: of Rogue. I bring on all kinds of guests and
Speaker 1: their authors, researchers, you know, historians and things like that,
Speaker 1: and we just have conversations.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Things that kind of bothered me about a lot of podcasts.
Speaker 1: Is they just a lot of guests or I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: A lot of podcasters will bring guests on their show
Speaker 1: and they just sit back and let the guests just
Speaker 1: take over and they just sit back, you know, they
Speaker 1: might ask a question or two, they don't contribute much
Speaker 1: to the show. And I was like, dude, I want
Speaker 1: to have conversations with these people. So I try my
Speaker 1: best to. If I'm having somebody on, I've read their
Speaker 1: books or I've read up on the subject matter that
Speaker 1: they wrote their book on, and we have conversations back
Speaker 1: and forth. And it's worked really well for me because
Speaker 1: Ryan Peterson, David Roll, doctor jud Burton, several of these
Speaker 1: guys that I've had on the show while recording on
Speaker 1: the show, they were just like, man, you know your stuff,
Speaker 1: I've never talked about that, and man, when am I
Speaker 1: gonna come back on? And they're excited to come on
Speaker 1: the show because they actually I'm not saying I'm on
Speaker 1: their intellectual level, but I'm least familiar with the material
Speaker 1: and we can have conversations back and forth because they
Speaker 1: don't get that much. And you can listen to somebody
Speaker 1: a hundred times, but if you actually listen to them
Speaker 1: and they have a conversation with somebody and they get
Speaker 1: the bounced ideas, go back and forth and have discussion,
Speaker 1: You're going to pull so much more out of them
Speaker 1: than any of the other people. And that's what I
Speaker 1: try to do. But because nobody knows dying Hearts on Joy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I love this stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm a big nerd. But I also do solo episodes
Speaker 1: where I just totally just deep dive and break down something.
Speaker 1: And I do more interviews right now because I got
Speaker 1: a full time job, you know, I work forty plus
Speaker 1: hours a week and do this on the weekends. But
Speaker 1: definitely I got plenty of shows and the works that
Speaker 1: I want to do, but I've done a few solos.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's how I kind of wanted to do
Speaker 3: it too. I wanted to do a couple, so I
Speaker 3: think I've only done one solo. And then, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I I'm the same way. I work forty plus hours.
Speaker 3: I'm usually close to pretty close to sixty hours. So
Speaker 3: anything that I consume audibly is the best. But man,
Speaker 3: I even you listening to you on the Confessionals, man,
Speaker 3: it was, it was. It was awesome, you know. I
Speaker 3: And then actually, you know what, I think. I think
Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of year reels too, so I think,
Speaker 3: you know, we've I think I've followed you. I've been
Speaker 3: following you on Instagram for a few months now. I
Speaker 3: don't think it was recent. I think it's been been
Speaker 3: a while. But man, like the stuff you talk about,
Speaker 3: I think because I think I have to find it
Speaker 3: fascinating the parallels that go in with like you were
Speaker 3: just saying before we started recording, the parallels between the
Speaker 3: and when actually when you were talking about this, gentleman,
Speaker 3: Trey Smith, the parallels between the supernatural realm and religion
Speaker 3: is fascinating to me. You know, a lot of like
Speaker 3: people in the religious circles will dismiss a lot of it.
Speaker 3: I think like Tony Merkle of the Confessionals, Like one
Speaker 3: of his things was, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things in the Bible that almost seem that are supernatural,
Speaker 3: but yet the people that are reading it are like,
Speaker 3: ghosts aren't real and stuff like that. So he's just like,
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of a weird take to have on
Speaker 3: something that you read every week or listen to, like
Speaker 3: the Olagion itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, to the outside person, we take for
Speaker 1: granted because we grow up this way, we hear these
Speaker 1: stories very often. But it's like, you don't believe in ghosts,
Speaker 1: you don't believe in magic, you don't believe in demons,
Speaker 1: and miracles don't happen anymore, and just so just blah
Speaker 1: with their quote unquote faith. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: these are the same people that profess that God came
Speaker 1: down in the flesh, then all kinds of miracles, turned
Speaker 1: water into wine, walked on water, died, resurrected, and it's
Speaker 1: coming back to judge the earth and take everyone to Heaven.
Speaker 1: And you don't believe in ghosts, you don't believe in demons.
Speaker 1: I mean that just totally asked backwards. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's laughable when you say it out loud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. And it is funny too, because,
Speaker 3: especially since I started this podcast, when I have regular
Speaker 3: conversations with like regular people, not people that I find
Speaker 3: for the podcast, to talk about this stuff. But they'll
Speaker 3: be like, I'll be like, yeah, I have a podcast
Speaker 3: or something like that's somehow it'll get brought up and
Speaker 3: they'll be like, what is it about. I'll tell them,
Speaker 3: what about? Oh, you believe in ghosts. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I do. Oh I've never I've never seen one. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, you've never seen one. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: well you don't always see them and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And then they'll be like, oh, well, this one thing
Speaker 3: happens one time that was really strange, and I was like,
Speaker 3: that sounds like a ghost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. At the same time, it's
Speaker 1: like you don't see the air you breathe, but you
Speaker 1: know what's there because you're still here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. Oh man, So how was Blurry con How
Speaker 3: was that?
Speaker 1: It was good? I had a good time. It was
Speaker 1: my first blurry Con event that I went to, and
Speaker 1: a big group of us that i'd met on there.
Speaker 1: We all pitched in and got a huge Airbnb and
Speaker 1: it was literally like less than five minutes from the
Speaker 1: condo with church that they were hosting the vent at.
Speaker 1: So we got to hang out with everybody at the
Speaker 1: event and friends we made and friends that we already
Speaker 1: had to Facebook and stuff. We invite them back to
Speaker 1: the house and after they shut the doors. They usually
Speaker 1: shut them around six thirty or seven, and then we
Speaker 1: just have everybody at the house. We had a big
Speaker 1: four or five bedroom house, had a game room down
Speaker 1: in the basement and a huge yard with fire pits,
Speaker 1: so we were roasting somemores and hot dogs, and I
Speaker 1: brought my guitar, so we was just playing music, setting
Speaker 1: around the fire, sharing swoopy stories and testimonies and we
Speaker 1: had a really good time.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That is awesome. Man.
Speaker 1: Check this out. I brought this with me. You might
Speaker 1: have seen this from my reels and stuff. This is
Speaker 1: ed the head. Yes, yes, I'll always take it with
Speaker 1: me the conferences. And I'm kind of assembling my mount
Speaker 1: rushmore of Nephelin Hunters. So I got doctor Laura Sanger
Speaker 1: to sign it. I got Tony Merkle to sign it.
Speaker 1: I got the the River Winds Chief Joseph and doctor
Speaker 1: laure Lean La Marzouli, Derrek, Gilbert, Doug van Dorn, Georgio
Speaker 1: from Ancient Aliens, and then added Timothy Albarino. But I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, you got to sign above Georgio, though,
Speaker 1: you got to get one over on him.
Speaker 3: That's a hustle, man, I think that. Damn it. Oh,
Speaker 3: why can't I ever think of his name? You just
Speaker 3: freaking said it to uh, the Ancient Aliens guy. I
Speaker 3: think he's going to be at.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, yeah. I can never think of or pronounce
Speaker 1: his last name, but I know it starts with an S.
Speaker 3: I always forget his name. I don't know why I
Speaker 3: said his name like a hundred times, and I always
Speaker 3: forget it when and literally you just set it to
Speaker 3: don King. I was. I was trying to explain who
Speaker 3: he was to my girlfriend because I was gonna I'm
Speaker 3: thinking I was gonna go to down to Kentucky for
Speaker 3: Cryptid Con. But it's sixteen hours for a drive, and
Speaker 3: the plane ticket is a bit much for all of us,
Speaker 3: because I mean, it doesn't doesn't make sense for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I could just go by myself, but I
Speaker 3: don't know. My son's birthday is on the following Monday,
Speaker 3: on the twenty fifth, So I was like, maybe I
Speaker 3: should just do something for my kid's birthday. So you
Speaker 3: mean he's gonna be turned NS.
Speaker 1: So I got lucky so I didn't have to drive
Speaker 1: for But yeah, honestly he was a nice guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he had like some kind of bodyguard with him,
Speaker 1: and he was just a complete clown. He was a jerk,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know if he was just a jerk,
Speaker 1: and so it was a good cop bad cop, or
Speaker 1: really that Georgio is a jerk and he pays this
Speaker 1: guy to be the jerk so he can look nice.
Speaker 1: But maybe I paid like a hundred bucks for a
Speaker 1: VIP ticket and they told you that you're going to
Speaker 1: have special upfront seating. You're gonna get to be able
Speaker 1: to meet him and ask questions. They're gonna have a
Speaker 1: Q and A and all this stuff. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll pay the extra money and I'll take my skull
Speaker 1: and have him sign it. Well, then I get there.
Speaker 1: I got a VIP lanyard and a shirt. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I got the shirt on now. But
Speaker 1: then I looked at him having no special seating. It's
Speaker 1: just everybody said whatever they wanted to. And then I
Speaker 1: got up there to have him sign it, and I figured,
Speaker 1: you know, where I was a VIP that it was
Speaker 1: part of like at the meat and greet or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, do you want an autograph
Speaker 1: and a picture of sixty bucks? I was like what?
Speaker 1: And I then drove and brought all that there. So
Speaker 1: I just forked over the money. But then after that,
Speaker 1: when I brought my camera and stuff, I just wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, take some more pictures and while he was
Speaker 1: up there talking or doing the Q and A, maybe
Speaker 1: just film a little bit to get some clips. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know they don't want you film and the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but that dude was complete jerk. Like when I was
Speaker 1: walking around trying to take pictures, he would like jump
Speaker 1: in front of him and wouldn't let me get pictures.
Speaker 1: And anybody in the audience that pulled out their phone
Speaker 1: or something, he would run, I mean like run almost
Speaker 1: tackle them to smack their phone down. And stuff. He
Speaker 1: was he was a jerk.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some people, Yeah, some people. The hundred bucks man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we all came here just to just to just to
Speaker 3: see the guy, well not just to see him, but
Speaker 3: you know, it's a part of the event, so you
Speaker 3: think you'd be able to But it's one of the.
Speaker 1: Guys that put the event on. He was a worker.
Speaker 1: Me and him was even talking about it, and he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he said the same thing idea. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's really that Georgia's a jerk
Speaker 1: and he pays that guy to be the bad guy,
Speaker 1: or if that guy is just like you talk about,
Speaker 1: just somebody takes their job too seriously and gets off
Speaker 1: on the authority. He said. But hell, he said, we
Speaker 1: paid him ten thousand dollars to come to this event.
Speaker 1: You think he shouldn't be that hard up for money.
Speaker 1: Charged nearby sixty dollars for an autograph and a picture.
Speaker 3: I was like, good lord, oh my goodness, ten thousand
Speaker 3: dollars and I'm still gonna make everybody pay me sixty dollars.
Speaker 3: That is some I mean some people. I've one of
Speaker 3: my buddies. It's interesting it's interesting when people think they're
Speaker 3: like it's like big presence now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like they I guess they get some kind of sort
Speaker 3: of fame and they kind of like, uh, become something
Speaker 3: that's off putting. There's another Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know who I am, but
Speaker 3: I kind of a big deal. Yeah. We were doing
Speaker 3: this trailer trade thing for the podcast, and he asked
Speaker 3: another podcaster if they would be interested in uh and
Speaker 3: and joining and they were like, oh, I'm too big.
Speaker 3: I'm too big to do that stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what.
Speaker 3: That's good. I was like, okay, so you're too you're
Speaker 3: bit you're a bigger podcast. You don't want to help
Speaker 3: other podcasts.
Speaker 1: Out at all, like gilt keepers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really it's really fascinating to find that out
Speaker 3: that I because you know, I network. When I first
Speaker 3: started networking stuff, like I ran into nothing but you know, nice,
Speaker 3: like everybody was so welcome. And then it hasn't been
Speaker 3: until like this year, I think the beginning of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, I mean twenty twenty four when I really
Speaker 3: started noticing how other podcasters can be. And it's it's unfortunate,
Speaker 3: But you know, I guess it comes with the with
Speaker 3: the territory. I guess some people just they they handle
Speaker 3: it differently, They handle their notoriety a little bit differently
Speaker 3: than I think a normal person would, I guess, or
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe not normal. But and then a
Speaker 3: lot of people do so.
Speaker 1: But what bothers me the most is the ones that
Speaker 1: claim to be a Christian podcast and they're racking in
Speaker 1: a dough, you know, I mean they got over two
Speaker 1: thousand paying subscribers a month, you know, making twenty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month just off their subscribers, and then doing
Speaker 1: conferences and trips and all this stuff. They're rolling in
Speaker 1: the dough. And then the they like suppress other smaller podcasts.
Speaker 1: I've had experiences where, uh, you know, big name shows
Speaker 1: reach out to some of the guests and stuff I've
Speaker 1: had on the show and they told me that that
Speaker 1: that they have requested that they not work with me. What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, if this is like an allegory,
Speaker 1: is this is like David and Goliath. And I'm not
Speaker 1: even David. I'm the flea on David's foot Compared to you,
Speaker 1: why are you worried about me?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: But some people do they do they get this superiority
Speaker 1: complex and in this greedy mind mentality, and they don't
Speaker 1: want to share, and they won't work with other podcasters
Speaker 1: and help, you know, smaller podcasters, and the only podcasters
Speaker 1: you'll see on their shows are the ones that's got
Speaker 1: just as big ball a bigger followings than they got
Speaker 1: because they benefit from it, you know. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, a lot of those will claim, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're a Christian podcast, and amen, brother, but they're all
Speaker 1: about the money and not helping the little guy. And
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're both claiming to be Christian podcasts,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be batting for the same team, bro.
Speaker 3: And exactly.
Speaker 1: And now I'm here for the conversations. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't care how many followers you've got. I don't care
Speaker 1: if I'm my audiences ten times is bigger than yours.
Speaker 1: If you do good content and you've done some episodes
Speaker 1: and it's interesting content and conversations that I know my
Speaker 1: audience is going to enjoy, I'm going to bring you
Speaker 1: on every time because that's what I'm here for. I'm
Speaker 1: here for the good conversations and to enlighten my audience
Speaker 1: and entertain and educate my audience. You know, my ego
Speaker 1: is not present. But of course you can't put your
Speaker 1: expectations in your values on other people. But it's still
Speaker 1: it's hard to fathom when some people are so far
Speaker 1: left from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right. I think the best way to be
Speaker 3: is two not care about your viewers. So like when
Speaker 3: I I started this thing, like, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: when I when I first started, I'm like, it's the
Speaker 3: numbers aren't going to be a great not going to
Speaker 3: be great. I was like, don't worry about it. That's
Speaker 3: not what you're doing this for, so don't pay attention.
Speaker 3: So what ended up happening is that I just don't
Speaker 3: look at my numbers at all. Like I could have
Speaker 3: one person that listens to every episode. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I know YouTube is. I'm pretty.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it because it's like a gauge thing.
Speaker 1: And I've always been a competitive person, but not unhealthy
Speaker 1: at least I don't.
Speaker 3: Right, I think competition it's not a good good healthy
Speaker 3: competition is always nice. I like that. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: so if I know, like certain Like so my I
Speaker 3: have a couple of friends who also do pretty much
Speaker 3: the same kind of show similar to mine, and we
Speaker 3: all have similar guests. So if I have a guest
Speaker 3: and I find out that they've already had the guest on,
Speaker 3: I'll listen to their episode. Sometimes it depends on on
Speaker 3: the person, Like if I if I'd already kind of
Speaker 3: like know what we're going to be talking about anyway,
Speaker 3: like if it's a book or or something like that,
Speaker 3: I'll listen to their to their show and they'll be like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna try and do it better than them,
Speaker 3: or something like that. But I mean, the conversation always
Speaker 3: comes naturally anyway. So I think, like the group of
Speaker 3: friends that I've made, I think we bounced ideas off
Speaker 3: of each other a lot. We all have different personalities anyway,
Speaker 3: so we always bring something a little bit different when
Speaker 3: we interview the same people too. So like I always
Speaker 3: end up drawing a lot of like a mental health
Speaker 3: out of a lot of people, just because that's a
Speaker 3: lot of things. That's what I focus on a lot,
Speaker 3: is the mental health aspect of a lot of like
Speaker 3: encounters and stuff like that. So but yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: just just to shout out a few of my friends
Speaker 3: that you know right now for all my listeners who've
Speaker 3: already heard me a thousand times, shout them out. Is
Speaker 3: so as Tommy from Let's Get Freaky and Shane from
Speaker 3: Inquiries of Our Reality, both of them fantastic podcasts. We
Speaker 3: all have similar, similar things and it's not competitive, but
Speaker 3: it is competitive without it saying you know, so.
Speaker 1: It's it's been a lot of Tommy. Tommy's nice. I've
Speaker 1: had him on my show too.
Speaker 3: Oh have you, Yeah, I've I I must I cause
Speaker 3: I try and listen to to Tommy as much as
Speaker 3: I as much as I can.
Speaker 1: You know, So tell ghost experiences and how William Shakespeare
Speaker 1: was sitting at the end of his bed when he
Speaker 1: was a kid.
Speaker 3: I love that story because he's like his mom came
Speaker 3: in and she's like, I don't see anything and just
Speaker 3: left him in there crying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When he said that William Shakespeare come, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's like this, this William Shakespeare.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, that guy or not to be oh man,
Speaker 3: So well, justin let's get into uh Esau a little
Speaker 3: bit here if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the whole this book I finally finished it.
Speaker 1: I'm in the process of formatting it and getting it published.
Speaker 1: It's my first book, so it's kind of a learning curve.
Speaker 1: But uh, are you familiar with Boke Kennedy from The Bump?
Speaker 3: I am not. No, Actually I might be. I think
Speaker 3: some people have brought him up, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which he's a friend of mine and he had
Speaker 1: me on his show and I had been researching that
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was cool. I thought it'd
Speaker 1: be a good podcast, and he was the first show
Speaker 1: that I had spoke on the subject with. And after
Speaker 1: it was over with, I literally my DMS on social
Speaker 1: media and my email was just like blowing up. Everybody
Speaker 1: just loved it, and everybody was like, dude, you should
Speaker 1: write a book. Dude, you should write a book. And
Speaker 1: that's one of those things I've always entertained and thought
Speaker 1: about and wanted to do, but I always talked myself
Speaker 1: out of it. So I was like, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: sit down and try to write this thing out. And
Speaker 1: that's how that all came about. It was a journey
Speaker 1: discovering all this stuff because you know, he saw on
Speaker 1: the Bible. He's a very enigmatic character and you hear
Speaker 1: you know about him and his brother were twins, they
Speaker 1: were born, he saw gets screwed out of his verse, right,
Speaker 1: and then you get a little bit of genealogy and
Speaker 1: you hear eat them, which was what his people was called,
Speaker 1: the Edomites. You hear that they were kind of enemies
Speaker 1: of God or God's people, and they fall. Well, then
Speaker 1: I started digging into these other non canonical books, you know,
Speaker 1: like the Midrash and the Targums, the Book of Jash
Speaker 1: or Jubileese and all these other books have more context
Speaker 1: and more stories about this guy named Esau. And as
Speaker 1: I got to reading and finding them all, I'm always
Speaker 1: tell people it's like I'm a puzzle piece searcher. If
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a certain subject or I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: If I'm reading something i find it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cool, and I'll write it down, take a note,
Speaker 1: or you know, put it away for another time. And
Speaker 1: then it might be a week, it might be a
Speaker 1: couple of months later I'll stumbled across something else that's
Speaker 1: revolved around the same subject and I'm like, oh, that's cool,
Speaker 1: and I'll write that down and put that over there.
Speaker 1: And then next thing, you know, it's like I got
Speaker 1: a bunch of puzzle pieces and I've got a picture here,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how this story came. And so
Speaker 1: the way the story goes and how I tell people
Speaker 1: was you know, esaw it said that in Genesis twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty five that he come out covered in hair from
Speaker 1: head to toe like a Harry Cloak, and he was red.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, that sounds pretty sasquatchy to me.
Speaker 1: And then, of course, you know, you have the people
Speaker 1: that say, oh, well, this is you know, poetic language
Speaker 1: or hyperbole. You know, this wasn't literal, it was an exaggeration.
Speaker 1: Well then then how do you deal with the blessing story?
Speaker 1: Because in there, his brother Jacob has to kill a
Speaker 1: goat and put the goats fur over him to deceive
Speaker 1: his blind father. That way, when his blind father felt
Speaker 1: of him, he felt this coarse, greasy goats fur to
Speaker 1: convince him that that it was Esau. So that I mean,
Speaker 1: that wasn't hyperbole or poetic language. That was literal.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think I think a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of these stories are a lot more literal than people think.
Speaker 1: Yes, most definitely. And then I was studying through all
Speaker 1: these different books. I thought it was interesting how they
Speaker 1: described their birth and it said that, you know, Esau
Speaker 1: come out first with Jacob holding his heel. And immediately
Speaker 1: that made me think of Genesis three fifteen when Adam
Speaker 1: and Eve, you know, partook of the Tree of Knowledge
Speaker 1: and was you know, swayed by the the hassa tan,
Speaker 1: the naikash, the you know, the serpent in our Bible.
Speaker 1: And then that cursing it says that she would have
Speaker 1: a seed and that he would have a seed, and
Speaker 1: that her seed would bruise his seed's head, but his
Speaker 1: or yeah, that works, and then the other would bruise
Speaker 1: the hill. One one would bruise a head, the other
Speaker 1: would bruise a heel, and that they would put enmity
Speaker 1: between the two. So then I went back to the
Speaker 1: birth of Esau and it describes the ansl of the
Speaker 1: Lord comes to Rebecca and says, two nations are in
Speaker 1: your womb. Two peoples are in your womb, and they
Speaker 1: strive together. And I was like, two people's, two nations
Speaker 1: are fighting in her womb. This, yeah, this goes back
Speaker 1: to Genesis three fifteen, and but it's like it's the
Speaker 1: opposite of God's prophecy given in the garden, so it's
Speaker 1: almost like Satan reached in there and kind of flipped
Speaker 1: it on its head, and that's what he's known to do.
Speaker 1: Where Esau comes out first with his foot pushing on
Speaker 1: the head, bruising the head of God's chosen seed, Jacob,
Speaker 1: and with Jacob holding and bruising the heel of the
Speaker 1: serpent's seed. And that's what I kind of lay out
Speaker 1: in this book that I believe that not only was
Speaker 1: Esau like a hairy sasquatch looking guy, but I think
Speaker 1: he was of the serpent's seed, And even Flavius Josephus
Speaker 1: and his writings point to that's what he believed, and
Speaker 1: that's what the peoples of that time believed, because in
Speaker 1: his history book, when you go through and you read,
Speaker 1: it says in there that there was imnency between the
Speaker 1: two brothers, So you know with Hebrew, you know scholarly opinion.
Speaker 1: They had this thing called the law first mentioned, So
Speaker 1: when the word is first used, that sets the definition,
Speaker 1: and any time that that word is used again, it's
Speaker 1: supposed to draw a straight line back to that origin
Speaker 1: point because it's like a reference. So he could have
Speaker 1: chose any word he wanted to to describe conflict, but
Speaker 1: I think he chose that word very specifically. He said
Speaker 1: there was enmity between Jacob and Esau, and then when
Speaker 1: you go back to the garden, you have that curse
Speaker 1: and everything. But it says that when they first realized
Speaker 1: that they were naked, that they sown these stig leaves together,
Speaker 1: and it says later that God takes a garment and
Speaker 1: covers their nakedness. So I draw out how Ezekiel twenty eight.
Speaker 1: That's a condemnation and prophecies with the King of Tire.
Speaker 1: But the consensus is is that halfway through this changes
Speaker 1: and he's no longer talking to a physical king, but
Speaker 1: he's talking to a spiritual entity pulling the strings of
Speaker 1: this king. And everyone is in alignment that this is
Speaker 1: satan because he says you were in the garden of God. Well,
Speaker 1: this prince there is, King of Tyre, was not in
Speaker 1: the garden of God. It says that he was perfect
Speaker 1: in all his ways. This king was not perfect in
Speaker 1: all his ways. It said that you were a guardian cherub.
Speaker 1: Every precious stone was your recovering at lists nine of
Speaker 1: the twelve stones. That's in the priestly epought, and it
Speaker 1: said that he was cast from the garden of God
Speaker 1: and that he profaned his sanctuaries. So that is painting
Speaker 1: Satan in a priestly role. He has the priestly fought.
Speaker 1: It says outright that he profaned his sanctuaries. So I
Speaker 1: draw the theory that I believe that those coverings given
Speaker 1: to Adam and Eve was those priestly garments of Satan,
Speaker 1: that when Satan was thrown down, his garments and position
Speaker 1: was taken away and it was given to Adam. And
Speaker 1: the rabbinic tradition even aligns with this, because all rabbis
Speaker 1: trace their lineages in their beginnings back to Adam, and
Speaker 1: they say Adam was the first king and priest of
Speaker 1: all creation. So when you think of Satan, that motive
Speaker 1: alone would make him hate you, and that would give
Speaker 1: him the motive of wanting to destroy you, because if
Speaker 1: you were the younger brother, and you know, if you
Speaker 1: want to look at it from a family perspective, they
Speaker 1: were the elder race. They're the elder brother, and you
Speaker 1: were Humanity was that the younger brother. So he disliked
Speaker 1: his younger brother because he saw other shown favor to him,
Speaker 1: and that's a common theme in the Bible also, And
Speaker 1: so he tries to trick the little brother and have
Speaker 1: him kicked out of the family, but it backfires and
Speaker 1: his position is taken away and given to the younger brother.
Speaker 1: That alone explains a lot of Satan's hatred.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's interesting, especially like if God is covering
Speaker 3: their nakedness like I thought like, because it wasn't until
Speaker 3: what the eve had bitten from the Tree of Knowledge
Speaker 3: that they were like all of a sudden, when they
Speaker 3: started eating from the tree, they were like, oh, we
Speaker 3: need to cover ourselves up. And then that's from what
Speaker 3: I from my perspective, it seemed to be like that
Speaker 3: was when God knew that there was something up, like
Speaker 3: why are you covering yourself from me? You know, why
Speaker 3: are you hiding from me? And stuff like that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the way you're just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way dogmatic about it. But after I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: No, you're good, you're good, You're good, to go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, the way that you laid
Speaker 3: that out is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I talked to doctor Joey Pugh
Speaker 1: that I had actually entertained the whole serviancyed idea. When
Speaker 1: people were out it up, you know, I'd kind of
Speaker 1: laugh or whatever. And then there's a lot of scholars
Speaker 1: that dismiss it and they used they use that one
Speaker 1: verse where it says Adam knew his wife and she
Speaker 1: bear her bore came. It was like, well, case closed,
Speaker 1: that's what it says. But how she laid that out
Speaker 1: to me? And she's a Southern I'm a Southern man
Speaker 1: if you couldn't tell by the accent, feels like. And
Speaker 1: she's from Georgia, so she's just an old country girl.
Speaker 1: She's she's well educated, and she flames things that a
Speaker 1: good old country boy like me can understand, just uses
Speaker 1: good old country boy logic. And she says, there is
Speaker 1: no apple in that story. She said. When I got
Speaker 1: older and reread the story, she said, I was like,
Speaker 1: where's the apple? There is no apple. That's kind of like,
Speaker 1: what is that? That theory of alternate universes? People use stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not, as you remember.
Speaker 3: It, a Mandela effect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the whole Mandela effect that they used that
Speaker 1: as an allegory, and someone taught that and it just
Speaker 1: kind of perpetuated. It just says that they partook of
Speaker 1: the tree of knowledge. That's all it says. And throughout structure,
Speaker 1: angelic beings are referred to trees and compared to trees often.
Speaker 2: And she was.
Speaker 1: Talking about, you know, the reaction of the people, and
Speaker 1: she said, now I think she said, this is old Testament.
Speaker 1: She said it was eye for an eye, tooth for
Speaker 1: a tooth. She said, if you stole something, you got
Speaker 1: your hand cut off. If you killed your neighbor's son,
Speaker 1: then your son was going to put me put on
Speaker 1: the chopping block. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,
Speaker 1: she said, And the punishment always match the crime. She said,
Speaker 1: So what happened? She said, they partaked this tree. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they covered their private parts. And
Speaker 1: she said, I want to tell you a story. She said.
Speaker 1: My mother was really strict on not having sweets before dinner.
Speaker 1: She said, we had a cookie jar both the refrigerator,
Speaker 1: and we knew when it was close to some time
Speaker 1: we couldn't get in that cookie jar. She said, Well,
Speaker 1: one afternoon she left in the middle of a cooking dinner,
Speaker 1: and me and my sister snuck up there and grabbed
Speaker 1: some cookies and started eating I thought we could get
Speaker 1: them swallowed before she come back in. She said, she
Speaker 1: come in and call us. She said, do you know
Speaker 1: what we've done? She said, we covered our mouth. She said,
Speaker 1: because that's where the wrong was done.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: She said, so Adam and Eve particular this tree, and
Speaker 1: they covered their private parts. She said, then the cursing comes.
Speaker 1: She said, if this was a sin to do with eating,
Speaker 1: he could have easily just cursed made her have stomach
Speaker 1: cramps or diarrhea or you know, toothache, You know all
Speaker 1: these different things that are revolved around eating. She said, all,
Speaker 1: not some. All of the curses were sexually related. The
Speaker 1: woman would be cursed with painful child bearing and minstrual periods.
Speaker 1: And then it starts talking about seeds and cursing of
Speaker 1: seeds of children. She said, I believe she said that
Speaker 1: this was a sexual act. Yeah, and that's why he said,
Speaker 1: you know, he cursed the two seeds. She would have
Speaker 1: a seed, he would have a seed, and they would
Speaker 1: be at enmity with one another. And when you break
Speaker 1: down like the original languages too, there's some little nuggets
Speaker 1: in there. Came his name means acquired. And when it
Speaker 1: talks about eating. In the English language, it says, and
Speaker 1: they partook of the tree and they ate. That just
Speaker 1: means that alternate definitions means like to consume, or even
Speaker 1: when you go into like logos Bible software and highlight
Speaker 1: that that word, that word is translated quite often as enjoyed,
Speaker 1: they partook and enjoyed. And then when it talks about
Speaker 1: that one verse that they use, so it's like Eve
Speaker 1: partook of the tree Satan and she enjoyed, and then
Speaker 1: she went to her husband and then he enjoyed. And
Speaker 1: when it says that you know, Adam knew his wife
Speaker 1: and she bore came. When you go into the Hebrew,
Speaker 1: it doesn't say that she conceived, she gave birth to
Speaker 1: and it says and then again she bore able. So
Speaker 1: this was twins. So it's showing that first one to
Speaker 1: come out was Caine sec and the second one was Able.
Speaker 1: These were twins. And to this day there's many cases
Speaker 1: to show you that during the same minstrual cycle, two
Speaker 1: men can lay with the same woman and german ate
Speaker 1: two seeds. It's been proven that it's a common thing.
Speaker 1: You see it all the time. Haidi even said, you know,
Speaker 1: she's a nurse. She said, I've been in the delivery
Speaker 1: room and seeing a white baby and a black baby
Speaker 1: come out of the same womb because she was impregnated
Speaker 1: by two different fathers. And this is something you see
Speaker 1: in mythos too. Hercules, A lot of people don't realize
Speaker 1: he had a twin. He it was yes, and his
Speaker 1: brother was completely normal human because he had a human father.
Speaker 1: But during the same minstrual cycle, Zeus came down and
Speaker 1: bred with her too, so they it made twins. I
Speaker 1: think that's the same thing with Jacob and Esau and
Speaker 1: Cain and Abel, and there's there's several other examples, but
Speaker 1: I'm trying to show you that this is scientifically true
Speaker 1: and observable, and we see it repeated again throughout all
Speaker 1: kinds of different mythos. There are so many twins, one
Speaker 1: of divine fatheredge and one of normal human father. So
Speaker 1: it's not out of the norm that this would appear
Speaker 1: in the Biblical text. And if in fact Esau was
Speaker 1: serpent seed, that would definitely give Satan motivation to flip
Speaker 1: them in the womb to where his seed came out
Speaker 1: first and got the birthright and the blessing, and would
Speaker 1: reverse God's prophecy of his seed bruising the head and
Speaker 1: the chosen Seed bruising the hill m hm. And these
Speaker 1: garments come back into play too, because think about it,
Speaker 1: if these garments were the priestly fod in coverings of
Speaker 1: the nakash the serpent that is passed down as like
Speaker 1: a birthright throughout the scripture. It's the priesthood and authority
Speaker 1: of kingship and priesthood, and it's the battle of the
Speaker 1: of the seed, like el A mars Zuli says, it's
Speaker 1: the seed war. Everything goes back to Genesis three fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he lost his birthright and his preachtly ephod and
Speaker 1: now it's getting passed down the line. This would be
Speaker 1: Satan's opportunity to have his seed get the garments back,
Speaker 1: and yeah, trace that. It goes down through this genealogy,
Speaker 1: and you find it in the Book of Jasher and
Speaker 1: all these other extra biblical texts. It went to Enoch,
Speaker 1: he went to Matthuselah, it went to the chosen Seed,
Speaker 1: the eldest son. And it says in the Book of
Speaker 1: Jasher that it was with Noah when Noah got on
Speaker 1: the boat. But in Ham's going out that Ham stole
Speaker 1: those garments and gave them to Cush.
Speaker 3: And Ham is Noah's son, correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and they end up with Nimrod. From now
Speaker 1: we get to the famous trading of the birth right
Speaker 1: with Esau that never made any sense as a kid,
Speaker 1: I was like, in modern context, it's like your father's
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. You're the eldest son. He's about to retire
Speaker 1: and give the keys to the kingdom to you. But
Speaker 1: then one day you come home and see your younger
Speaker 1: brother sitting on the couch eating pizza, and you're like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: give me a slice of pizza. And he's like, sign
Speaker 1: over the company and I'll give you a slice. And
Speaker 1: then you respond with, yeah, sure, what use is the
Speaker 1: company to me when I'm dead?
Speaker 3: Take it?
Speaker 1: No, dude, that makes no sense. But when you read
Speaker 1: the book of jash Or, it talks about Nimrod and Esaw,
Speaker 1: how they were both the mighty hunters, And I tell people,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the Highlander. There can only be
Speaker 1: one baby. These two mighty hunters wanted to show who
Speaker 1: the mighty man really was, and the Book of Jasher
Speaker 1: says that Nimrod looked upon Esau with contentment, and resentment
Speaker 1: all of his days, and that him and a group
Speaker 1: of his gibble reem, which in Hebrew is the same
Speaker 1: word you used to describe the Nephlom giants, went out
Speaker 1: to hunt Esau, this hairy beast of a man. So
Speaker 1: it says that Esau hid himself, cuts off Nimrod's head,
Speaker 1: kills two of these giants, and then takes the time
Speaker 1: to steal Nimrod's garments and these are those supernatural garments
Speaker 1: from the Garden of God. And he runs back home,
Speaker 1: and it says that there's where Genesis picks up on
Speaker 1: the story, because Genesis just says that Esau coming from
Speaker 1: the field exhausted. Oh yeah, he was exhausted, all right.
Speaker 1: He just saw three giants in Nimrod and probably sustained
Speaker 1: some life threatening injuries, and he just killed the king.
Speaker 1: He's on the run, he's scared of death. He's asking
Speaker 1: his brother to nurse his wounds and to hide him,
Speaker 1: and Jacob sees the opportunity. He knew he was desperate,
Speaker 1: probably probably about to bleed out if the king's army
Speaker 1: didn't find him burst. He's like, yeah, I'll help you.
Speaker 1: I'll hide you and nurse you. And sew you up.
Speaker 1: But uh, I want the birthright now. That explains his response. Sure,
Speaker 1: what uses the birthright to me? When I'm dead? Take it?
Speaker 3: Mm hm? That makes yeah.
Speaker 1: And these garments weave in and out. And like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, they went with the good line until Ham
Speaker 1: left the family. And here in our sixty six book
Speaker 1: can and we see these garments, but it's hidden behind
Speaker 1: the original language. Once again, and warning, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a shock factor for the people that's not
Speaker 1: heard this, but look it up yourself and you'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm right. The uncovering of Noah's nakedness, that's another story.
Speaker 1: It made no sense to me. I was like, my
Speaker 1: dad drinks till he passes out drunk and naked. I
Speaker 1: come home from school and I see him passed out
Speaker 1: naked drunk. How's that my fault? Why should I be cursed?
Speaker 1: Once again, it's one of those idioms. And you have
Speaker 1: to know the culture and the time and the phrases
Speaker 1: when you turn because it says there specifically that he
Speaker 1: uncovered his father's nakedness, But when you go to Leviticus
Speaker 1: chapter seventeen, it says, to uncover thy father's nakedness is
Speaker 1: to sleep with thy father's wife. And when you look
Speaker 1: at the historical context, this was an act of rebellion
Speaker 1: in the ancient world. This is how you flexed on
Speaker 1: the old man and took over the family. Been slept
Speaker 1: with his mother in an act of rebellion to try
Speaker 1: to take over the family. Absolom when he run King
Speaker 1: David out of the kingdom for the hostel takeover. The
Speaker 1: first thing he did he pitched a tent on David's
Speaker 1: on top of David's house and went into all of
Speaker 1: his concubines in the sight of all of Israel. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, I put my own
Speaker 1: creative spin, but I say, it's kind of like Noah
Speaker 1: slipped into a depression, started getting drunk and just drinking
Speaker 1: his sorrows away. Sees the opportunity. Whether his mother was
Speaker 1: a willing participant or eraser, the text is not clear.
Speaker 1: It just says the deed happened. And he comes outside
Speaker 1: and tells his two other brothers and he says, Dad's
Speaker 1: a drunk, He's pressed all the time. He is unfit
Speaker 1: to rule. I just did this deed. If you guys
Speaker 1: go do the same, he can't take all three of us,
Speaker 1: it's our time to rule. Let's go, but they decline,
Speaker 1: and it says that in the English text, it says
Speaker 1: they take a garment and place on their backs and
Speaker 1: walk backwards and cover their father's nakedness. Well, when you
Speaker 1: go to the Hebrew, it says they took the garment
Speaker 1: and placed it on their shoulders and walked backwards and
Speaker 1: covered their father's nakedness. And it fits into the context
Speaker 1: perfectly because if he was trying to rebel and take
Speaker 1: over the family, they took the symbol of authority and
Speaker 1: placed it back on their father. And it makes more
Speaker 1: sense too, because if he was trying to take over
Speaker 1: the family, everyone would serve him the cur as soon
Speaker 1: as he says he recovers from his wine. You know,
Speaker 1: we assumed this was a day, that this could have
Speaker 1: been several months down the road, you know, maybe when
Speaker 1: he you know, went to Aa and got off the wine.
Speaker 1: But it says that when he recovered from his wine,
Speaker 1: he said, a ham a servant to thy brothers, you
Speaker 1: shall be. So it's the opposite. Like we talked about
Speaker 1: the eye for an eye, the crime fits the punishment.
Speaker 1: In this flipped he would be a servant instead of
Speaker 1: be served. But then he says, cursed be Canaan, Cain
Speaker 1: and his Ham's firstborn son. And if you follow it chronologically,
Speaker 1: Canaan wasn't even born yet, So I say, it's my
Speaker 1: opinion that could have been several months down the road.
Speaker 1: But when he finally sobers up, he notices that his
Speaker 1: wife's pregnant and it's not his and they were gonna
Speaker 1: name it Canaan. And he figured out that his son
Speaker 1: slept with his wife and she got pregnant, and they
Speaker 1: were gonna name it Canaan. So he said, cursed be Canaan.
Speaker 3: I see, so one thing that I was curious, who
Speaker 3: is the who's the father and mother of Jacob and Esau?
Speaker 3: Just in case I missed.
Speaker 1: It, Jacob and Esau was Isaac and Rebecca?
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, you said, okay, I remember you saying that. Now, man,
Speaker 3: the thing the things that you know in ancient times
Speaker 3: that people did to each other to like get one
Speaker 3: up on each other. I could never imagine trying to
Speaker 3: like be like, all right, my dad is unfit to
Speaker 3: be head of household. I'm going to go to sleep
Speaker 3: with my mom now. Yeah, Like I could never I
Speaker 3: could never imagine like having the desire to do that.
Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting. But it makes me think, like because
Speaker 3: also the way you describe Esa, like being covered in
Speaker 3: hair and being very sasquatchy. The fact that he's a
Speaker 3: hunter and he's out in the woods and he's trying
Speaker 3: to be unseen is very familiar territory with Sasquatch as well.
Speaker 3: So that makes me that makes me kind of like,
Speaker 3: was this guy like the first Sasquatch or is or
Speaker 3: is he the actual Sasquatch that people think that they're
Speaker 3: seeing now, Like does he become immortal? I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it's it's great because the Nimrod was a giant, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's the I mean, it's the fact that you know,
Speaker 3: they're two hunters, they're trying to one up each other,
Speaker 3: trying to best the other, and then Esau kills Nimrod
Speaker 3: and stuff, so there are two giants. So I think, like,
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm picturing him as a giant as well.
Speaker 3: I'm picturing him as Sasquatch at this point. But yeah, man,
Speaker 3: the things that.
Speaker 1: Blessing. Uh when Jacob takes the goat fir and places
Speaker 1: over him and goes in. It says that when uh
Speaker 1: Isaac feels of him and feels this coarse, oily gopher,
Speaker 1: and he says, oh, my son, Yes, you're definitely my son, Esau.
Speaker 1: And then he says, you even smell of the field,
Speaker 1: my son, and you hear about all these you know,
Speaker 1: foul smells with sasquatch's asquatch yump.
Speaker 3: That's interesting too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then giants even intertwined with this, because once
Speaker 1: Jacob steals the blessing, it says, Esau comes in and
Speaker 1: finds out that his brother's told one over on him.
Speaker 1: He's mad, he's upset, and he uh says uh that
Speaker 1: he's gonna kill his brother. He's so angry, he says
Speaker 1: he's going to kill him, and Rebecca warns even tells
Speaker 1: him to flee and to let his brother's anger subside.
Speaker 1: And when you get into some of the Jewish Lord,
Speaker 1: it even tells that Esau wanted his sons to go
Speaker 1: and hunt Jacob down and kill him, and he was
Speaker 1: so angry. He's quoted as saying that he would bite
Speaker 1: his neck and drain him of blood until he died.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about like vampire type stuff. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he marries two Horde and women, and when you follow
Speaker 1: genealogies of that, and Gary Wayne does a good job
Speaker 1: breaking all this down. But the Hordes and his ies
Speaker 1: were known giant clans. So you have this Harry quote
Speaker 1: unquote man marrying and interbreeding with giant clans. Do you
Speaker 1: have a strong likelihood of some really strange puffs and
Speaker 1: Esau's if you was Amelek who burst the entire tribe
Speaker 1: of the Amalekites, whose name and Hebrew literally means the
Speaker 1: blood liquors, Oh my god, Yeah, that is wild. So
Speaker 1: in his third wife he takes from Ishmael, and those
Speaker 1: that are not familiar, Esau on Ishmael are like mirrored
Speaker 1: images of each other. Ishmael was the firstborn son of
Speaker 1: another woman from Abraham and then later isaaaha chosen seed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was disinherited and kicked out and sent off into
Speaker 1: the wilderness. So Esau and Ishmael both are the eldest
Speaker 1: brothers that were screwed out of their inheritance, and that
Speaker 1: hatred brood within that family and all of your Muslim
Speaker 1: nations and all of your people groups that hate and
Speaker 1: totally want to exterminate God's chosen people trace their genealogies
Speaker 1: back to Ishmael on this union between him and Esau.
Speaker 1: It's the seed war once again.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's interesting because that, you know, that that
Speaker 3: makes me think of the issue in Palestine and Israel
Speaker 3: right now, you know what I mean. Although they Hamas
Speaker 3: did call for a peaceful ceasefire and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's still like they've from you know, I've
Speaker 3: never studied the Bible and never gone to church or
Speaker 3: anything like that, but since I was young learning about
Speaker 3: history and stuff, I've always known that there was always
Speaker 3: like some kind of tension over there in the Middle
Speaker 3: East between all of its people with Israel and Palestine
Speaker 3: and all these other other places. So that's that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: And I could see I could see that, I guess,
Speaker 3: especially if like they're because they you know that back
Speaker 3: in the day, everything was you know, passed down by
Speaker 3: by speech, so I could see I could see somebody
Speaker 3: being angry and then telling their kids about, you know,
Speaker 3: about how they've been wronged, and then it just like
Speaker 3: spreads and then the story continues as it goes as
Speaker 3: they go down the line, and then and you know
Speaker 3: the game of telephone you say one phrase, it comes
Speaker 3: out in a kind of like different way. Towards the end.
Speaker 3: It could have been the story could have been you
Speaker 3: twisted even further, and that could have caused this the
Speaker 3: hatred that we see now where they're just constantly killing
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah I did. Man. If this interest you,
Speaker 1: you know, be sure to follow me on Instagram or
Speaker 1: one of my socials that way, you know when the
Speaker 1: book drops, because I go super deep. I go into
Speaker 1: the genealogies, and there's vampire people, there's giants, there's Harry sassuatches,
Speaker 1: and Esau is not the only one. A lot of
Speaker 1: Jewish lord says that Cain's mark was that he was
Speaker 1: covered in hair and given a horn. Really the second
Speaker 1: who was cursed by God and driven mad. And it
Speaker 1: said that his hair grew long, his nails crew long,
Speaker 1: and he dwelled with the beast of the field and
Speaker 1: ate ate the grass like a wild ox. This is
Speaker 1: a very common thing that we see in the Bible,
Speaker 1: if you know how to look for it.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is super interesting man. I'm definitely gonna have
Speaker 3: to freaking check out your book. Do you have so
Speaker 3: do you have like a date in mind or like
Speaker 3: an area of time.
Speaker 1: That you think because I hate some one out and
Speaker 1: be wrong because I've done it once already. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a timely thing. And also the learning curve
Speaker 1: of my first is not helping me much. But I
Speaker 1: got it written. I just have to format it now
Speaker 1: and figure out how to get it out there in
Speaker 1: the hands of people. So it's not easy. Done I
Speaker 1: can safely say that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a big process like
Speaker 3: I've had. I've become pretty good friends with a gentleman
Speaker 3: named no Mar Slovic and when he first started writing,
Speaker 3: he writes he's written a few books now, and he
Speaker 3: was just like, man, it's the first thing is it's
Speaker 3: really hard to get published. First of all, it's really
Speaker 3: hard to find a publisher that believes in what you're
Speaker 3: trying to trying to say with your book, Like whether
Speaker 3: it's fiction or nonfiction, it doesn't matter regardless. You got
Speaker 3: to find a publisher that suits what you're trying to
Speaker 3: put out. So unless you do the self publishing like
Speaker 3: with Amazon or something like that. But I heard that
Speaker 3: it's not too profitable going through Amazon. But you know, yeah, however,
Speaker 3: you want to do with.
Speaker 1: It self publishing, you got to have the money to
Speaker 1: fund everything, and then you take the risk. If they
Speaker 1: don't seal, you're stuck with that investment. Where versus Amazon,
Speaker 1: there's no money risk for you whatsoever. But they where
Speaker 1: they're taking the risk and putting up all the money
Speaker 1: up front, they're gonna get sixty to seventy percent of
Speaker 1: the profit.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. Oh man, So how how long do you think?
Speaker 3: How long is the book? Like, not that that matter,
Speaker 3: but just out of curiosity.
Speaker 1: Well right now, But of course I got it typed
Speaker 1: out like on a like a word program. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like one hundred and thirty pages. By the time you
Speaker 1: format that down and you break it down into the
Speaker 1: book formatitude an actual probably safely say it, it would
Speaker 1: increase the page count, probably almost fifty percent, because you're
Speaker 1: you're shrinking it down into small pages and stuff. If
Speaker 1: I was guessing, I actually I was looking was it.
Speaker 1: I was guessing it would probably be something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it wouldn't be a domineering read, right,
Speaker 1: that's like I want to write a Gary Wayne book
Speaker 1: that's like a Bible. I don't see how that man
Speaker 1: had the patience to do that.
Speaker 3: You don't want to write a book like this either.
Speaker 3: I can reach shit without pulling.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Stephen. Yeah, it's like Gary Wayne's book or
Speaker 1: Hamlet's Meal and the host things are like Bibles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: slammed with great content. But I was like you with Gary. Uh,
Speaker 1: I had the hard copy, but then I listened to
Speaker 1: the audio book and that way I could kind of
Speaker 1: use the hard copy book is like a quick reference
Speaker 1: in highlights and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's cool, man, that's cool. I'm excited for you.
Speaker 3: I mean, the the the way you just the way
Speaker 3: you broke it down, the way I listened to you
Speaker 3: on on Heidie's Uh, the way you did it on Heidie's.
Speaker 3: And Heidi is very knowledgeable and biblical stuff too, so
Speaker 3: it was an awesome conversation to listen to. So for
Speaker 3: my listeners, I highly recommend going checking out the episode
Speaker 3: that Justin did with Heidi on the Unfiltered Rise podcast.
Speaker 3: Asked is they did an amazing job discussing this topic,
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm I'm always fascinated learning about the Bible,
Speaker 3: just because I haven't learned, I haven't read it. And
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that talk about the Bible,
Speaker 3: like they know what's in it, and you know, so
Speaker 3: howkn of people that know and have read it is
Speaker 3: It's always fascinating. Like I just had a gentleman on
Speaker 3: who's he's like a minister, uh, he's in ministry, and
Speaker 3: he was talking to me about like all the anti
Speaker 3: Christ like prophecies or the like conspiracies that people talk
Speaker 3: about that aren't really based on anything that's actually in
Speaker 3: the Bible and stuff like that. So that was that
Speaker 3: was an interesting discussion. That episode comes out this coming Wednesday.
Speaker 1: And I mean, just like I said, you know how
Speaker 1: I got started. I grew up in church day of
Speaker 1: my life and was genuinely interested in it, asked questions,
Speaker 1: read the book all the way up till my teenage years.
Speaker 1: And man, I thought I knew that thing like the
Speaker 1: back of my hand, and hit me with a different
Speaker 1: perspective and I've seen it in a whole new light.
Speaker 1: And then I actually started looking into the Greek and
Speaker 1: the Hebrew and it's like, yeah, man, what I thought
Speaker 1: I knew, I had no clue.
Speaker 3: I will say the one thing one Biblical literature that
Speaker 3: I have read is the Book of Enoch. That is
Speaker 3: the only and that's not considered a part of the Bible,
Speaker 3: I guess, but that is the one that I didn't read,
Speaker 3: and I kind of want to read it again because
Speaker 3: I can guarante almost guarantee you I'm going to pick
Speaker 3: up something that I did in the first time. But
Speaker 3: it it is interesting now. It's even more interesting now
Speaker 3: the fact that the way you described the tree, because
Speaker 3: it was just there was no apple, there was no
Speaker 3: nothing like that. So the watchers coming down and sleeping
Speaker 3: with men's the women of men is even more interesting
Speaker 3: to me because I'm not one hundred percent sure if
Speaker 3: it like was literally if it literally said it like that,
Speaker 3: So I mean even more kind of like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's been all of it has been translated from different
Speaker 3: languages into to get to English, except I think like
Speaker 3: four or five different languages before it got to English.
Speaker 3: So like, like you, the word unicorn is in the Bible,
Speaker 3: are they actually talking about the horse with one horn?
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure that's exactly.
Speaker 1: What they It's the orx and that is an ancient
Speaker 1: form of cattle that is now when extinct, And they
Speaker 1: said that that's basically the equivalent of our car. Texas
Speaker 1: longhorn today they were huge wild bulls and that they
Speaker 1: were over six foot tall at the shoulder.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these were strict.
Speaker 3: That's big because I was thinking. What I was thinking
Speaker 3: was a freaking rhino, like because that was the only
Speaker 3: other thing that I can think of that as one horn.
Speaker 1: I didn't know translations. Do say rhino?
Speaker 3: Do they too? Okay, all right, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You go to the Hebrew, the word is is the oors,
Speaker 1: the wilds, And that's why it's so important. Like if
Speaker 1: you do UH, you can get like logos, Bible software
Speaker 1: and on the internet. Now you can get all these
Speaker 1: inner linears. If you really want to dive in to
Speaker 1: the ancient understanding in the original meanings, UH, use these
Speaker 1: tools like logos, Bible software and stuff, and you can
Speaker 1: dive into the originallanguages because the Hebrew language and the
Speaker 1: Greek language mean that they're just like any other language.
Speaker 1: In English, you have one word, but it can have
Speaker 1: five different meanings, so you have to insert each meaning
Speaker 1: into the sentence and the paragraph to see which context
Speaker 1: fits better. Even like that word for serpent in Hebrew
Speaker 1: is nakash, when nakash can mean serpent, but it can
Speaker 1: also mean the shining one or the one who practices divination.
Speaker 1: So it's talking about a class of heavenly beings. So
Speaker 1: it's like, in that context, what makes more sense talking
Speaker 1: snake or a divine being on God's divine counsel. Now
Speaker 1: that rebelled and when you get to the shining one
Speaker 1: interpretation his description that we just talked about today in
Speaker 1: Ezekiel twenty eight, his garments fit his description of his name.
Speaker 1: He says, you know, sorryest topaz prolnis gold in lay.
Speaker 1: Will your settings this garment he wore would definitely be
Speaker 1: shining it's his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's man. I'm my mind's kind of blown
Speaker 3: right now. Look the way the way I'm just kind
Speaker 3: of like thinking of a whole bunch of different things,
Speaker 3: and I don't even know where to start, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like now I've been saying this, like
Speaker 3: I scrambled. Yeah, I've been saying it for a while. Now.
Speaker 3: I really need to read the Bible. I really need
Speaker 3: to read it. My son actually, he's uh become really
Speaker 3: into God and stuff. He actually got a Bible at
Speaker 3: the fair where they were handing out little, uh little
Speaker 3: tiny bibles and stuff and awesome. Yeah, And I you know,
Speaker 3: because I didn't raise him to be religious or anything
Speaker 3: like that. He just he found it on his own.
Speaker 3: And I think that's together. Man, it'd be daddy son time. Yeah. Man, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a good thing. That's yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I definitely the more, the more the more
Speaker 3: people that I talk that I bring onto the show
Speaker 3: that you know, we get into the religion and stuff
Speaker 3: and the scripture and all that stuff. I keep saying
Speaker 3: to myself, Man, I really should read that book. And
Speaker 3: it's becoming more prevalent to me now. And I think
Speaker 3: he's so if Actually, I'm not even gonna say if,
Speaker 3: because I do I do believe in God to begin with,
Speaker 3: but if he puts if he's trying to put us
Speaker 3: all on on these paths and stuff, I think the
Speaker 3: you know, the pond that he's trying to play to
Speaker 3: get me to to notice is not only having me
Speaker 3: talk to people, but putting it on my son's heart
Speaker 3: to talk to me about it, to put.
Speaker 1: It into my euro's journey. Man, you're you're on the journey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all are on the journey.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true, brother, that's true. Man, this was
Speaker 3: an awesome conversation. Justin. I'm I'm really so happy that
Speaker 3: we were finally able to do it, like we said
Speaker 3: in the like you said in the beginning. So Justin
Speaker 3: had blurry con last weekend, and I know how drainings
Speaker 3: these events could be, and I was like, hey, Man,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're not up for it, you know,
Speaker 3: we can totally reschedule. He's like, yeah, let's do it
Speaker 3: next weekend. And then I forgot on him. So we
Speaker 3: were a little bit late to get getting this show started,
Speaker 3: but you know, we're here. We get it. It was awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we did. But yeah, man, if you don't
Speaker 3: mind letting the listeners know one last time where they
Speaker 3: can find you in your show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, and thank you for having me. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the conversation. And that's what I like to do, man.
Speaker 1: I love the conversations with people. I love to dive
Speaker 1: in and try to find those hidden nuggets, whether it's
Speaker 1: in you know, ancient history, loss civilizations, the Bible, aliens,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, man, and I do filter it through
Speaker 1: a biblical lens. So if you enjoy the night's conversation,
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, looking at all these other topics,
Speaker 1: and I have guests and researchers and authors on and
Speaker 1: we just do, you know, like me and Kevin did tonight.
Speaker 1: We just go back and forth and have conversations about
Speaker 1: various subjects. And I think that's something you'd like, man,
Speaker 1: I'd love to have you on the Hero's Journey with me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, find us at prometheuslins podcast dot com and
Speaker 1: anywhere you consume content. Just search up Prometheus Lens and
Speaker 1: you should be able to find us.
Speaker 3: Nice, nice, Well again, justin thanks for taking the time
Speaker 3: to do this, because you know, I say it all
Speaker 3: the time, time is our greatest currency. And the fact
Speaker 3: that you chose to spend this hour or in some
Speaker 3: time with me is it means a lot to me.
Speaker 3: It really does. I love these conversations. So thank you
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Speaker 3: that's you know, that's that's all the that's the kit
Speaker 3: in the kaboodle. But yeah, thank you for checking out
Speaker 3: the show, Thanks for justin stopping by and learning us
Speaker 3: some ship. And I really hope you guys go check
Speaker 3: out his podcast. I mean, just you should. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I have to. I've listened to him now a couple
Speaker 3: of times, and uh, this conversation tonight was was awesome
Speaker 3: as well, so yeah.
Speaker 1: You might enjoy it next week. Next week having Mike
Speaker 1: Stibbs from Camp Roman on and we talk about our
Speaker 1: psychedelic experiences and uh and I called it the back
Speaker 1: door to the astral So we talk about you know,
Speaker 1: d MT and mushrooms and some of our experiences during
Speaker 1: the the h b C days before Christ and how
Speaker 1: those things are back door to the astral to talk
Speaker 1: to not so good entities.
Speaker 3: Oh I like that. All right, all right, what days
Speaker 3: do you normally drop your episode?
Speaker 1: Monday? Monday night at eight pm Eastern Standard on the
Speaker 1: YouTube and I always have a live from here and
Speaker 1: live chat. So you know, we've been having the same
Speaker 1: group of people every Monday night and we just watch
Speaker 1: the show and hang out and chat and talk. We
Speaker 1: have a real good time. Come on over and hang
Speaker 1: out and chat with us.
Speaker 3: Nice. Nice, All right, guys, have a good night, whatever
Speaker 3: time you decided to listen to this or or morning,
Speaker 3: and remember question everything and stay weird thing