WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:08.400 What is happening and what is a Hold out your 2 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:10.240 glass because we're about to feel it. 3 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:16.199 All things continually lead back to serpents, dragons, fairies, nepheline, 4 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.440 and fallen angels. In the distance looms a mystical mountain. 5 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:20.920 As Mike Kaiser used to say, if it's in the 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:23.559 Bible and it's weird, it's probably important. At its peak, 7 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:28.559 a great fire burns, concealing the Prometheus lens. 8 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:33.159 This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within 9 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:34.479 the mystery schools. 10 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.079 An ancient artifact said to reveal the hidden truth within 11 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.079 a deliberately darkened world. There is a hidden history that's 12 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:41.399 been deliberately obscated from the. 13 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:42.159 People's little world. 14 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:45.679 Join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown. 15 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:50.399 It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save, 16 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.479 and innumerable treasures to hoard. 17 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:00.320 Torches high the Smithsonian they call wind of the Giant Spell. 18 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.320 You would send their agents out to get. 19 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:08.959 It, but it takes courage to move forward, to move 20 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:15.000 out of the shadows, out of the punt reality that 21 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.079 we think of his reality. 22 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:21.560 We are all on the hero's journey. 23 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:27.599 Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extraterrestrials. 24 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.439 Leave the sitchen mound of bull feathers out of it. 25 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:36.920 You know, look at it from a different perspective, different perspective, perspective. 26 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.519 What's up, everybody, Welcome to another episode. So happy to 27 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:52.359 have you here. Today we have Justin from a Prometheus Lens. 28 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:55.760 It's going to be an interesting talk, but for now, 29 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.920 I'll let him introduce himself, tell you all a little 30 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.959 bit about his show, where you can find his show, 31 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.239 and where you can find him Justin. How's it going, man? 32 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:07.040 Right, I'm doing good man. Thank you for having me. 33 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:13.000 And as we said pre roll, I appreciate your forgiveness 34 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:17.080 and your leniency on an old man. We were supposed 35 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:19.840 to talk last week and I had went to a 36 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.479 conference and I was like, oh yeah, man, after that 37 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.800 long drive, I'll be good to go, and I was 38 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:27.280 totally not, so you were kind of gracious enough to 39 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:31.719 reschedule with me. But yeah, my show is called The 40 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:36.639 Prometheus Lens Podcasts, and I tell people what I've kind 41 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.800 of just coined it as the Hero's Journey, and it 42 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:41.800 kind of goes it's like a play on words on 43 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:45.159 the like the allegory of the Cave and Plato, how 44 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.080 you know, we have to go into the unknown, we 45 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:51.759 have to slay the dragon and rescue the damsel, but 46 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.520 to come out on the other end as heroes and 47 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.759 take that great prize that we got from our journey. 48 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.120 You know, the Greeks, they referred to it as a 49 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.120 boon if you take that boon and share it with 50 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.960 the world. So that's kind of what we do on 51 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.240 the show. I just like looking at everything from Aliens 52 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:14.080 to Jesus, to conspiracy theory and cryptids and just filter 53 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.840 all of that stuff through the Bible. So I think 54 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.120 that the Bible is the most supernatural book in the world, 55 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.000 and it has the answers to all that stuff. You 56 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.479 just know where to look and how to read the 57 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:33.000 texts and anywhere you can consume content. Apple, Spotify, YouTube, 58 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:37.400 all the social media's. You just search up Prometheus's podcasts 59 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.280 and you can find the content there. 60 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:48.159 Nice man, Nice. So first, my first question is what 61 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:52.919 made you want to start your podcast in covering what 62 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.840 all this stuff that you cover, Well, that door. 63 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:01.840 How they turned the Red peel. I took the Red 64 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.840 Pill in twenty twelve, and I was a guy that 65 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.840 grew up in churchy's whole life and was always fascinated 66 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.800 with the scriptures. And I was that kid in Sunday 67 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:14.919 school that always raised his hand and asked a teacher 68 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.360 of a million questions and probably got on their nerves. 69 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:20.399 And I always loved history. That was always my favorite 70 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.480 subject in school. Mythology and the ancient Greeks and just 71 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.319 all that stuff just was a really big turn on 72 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:31.800 for me, even as a young kid. And I had 73 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.720 discovered this guy named trace Meth one day, just kind 74 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.079 of scrolling on YouTube, and he was talking about DMT 75 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.920 rems and people tripping and ghosts and demons and Nephelom 76 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.759 giants and just all this, you know, crazy stuff that 77 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:51.560 you know, I thought was crazy at the time. And 78 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:53.920 I'm like, this guy's a heretic because he kept saying, Oh, 79 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:55.480 this is all in your Bible, this is you know, 80 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:58.120 it's here, here, here, And I'm like, dude, you know, 81 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.000 I mean, I kind of walked away from the faith. 82 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.240 So I wouldn't say I was never a non believer, 83 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:04.879 but I just kind of rebelled and quit going to church, 84 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:06.879 quit reading my Bible and stuff. But I still knew 85 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.519 the stories and I'm like, no, that stuff ain't isn't that? 86 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:12.399 And I pulled out my Bible and started going through everything, 87 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:17.319 and I was like, holy shit, yes it is. And 88 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.279 it just kind of lit this fire under me because 89 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:24.279 he was showing me all this stuff that was right 90 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:26.519 there in front of my face of this book that 91 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.439 I thought I knew so well, but I didn't know 92 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:38.279 jack Man. And he introduced me to Derek Gilbert, Michael Heizer, 93 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.279 just all these great minds in this space, and I 94 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.560 just started reading their books. And I've never been a 95 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.240 guy that liked to read, but it was just like 96 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.160 it did. It just starked this fire under me and 97 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:51.480 this thirst to learn all this stuff. And next thing 98 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:53.879 you know, it's I'm that guy that's reading two or 99 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.639 three books at a time and can't stop and learning 100 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.279 all this stuff. And it went on for several years 101 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:04.920 to probably around twenty twenty two, and I was like, 102 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.480 I started making little videos on Facebook, just doing little 103 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.199 teachings on some of this weird stuff. And then I 104 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:12.720 invited like fifteen twenty guys that I was friends with 105 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.160 and went to church with because I started going back 106 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.920 to church, and I only had four guys show up 107 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.720 we had three meetings and I covered the Unseen realm 108 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:28.040 Michael Heiser's three Rebellions. And after those three meetings, one 109 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:29.879 of my friends, his name is Steve, he was like, 110 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.360 and we're talking about some pretty profound stuff here. We 111 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:36.480 should start a podcast. And I'd never even listened to 112 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.920 a podcast. I didn't know what a podcast was. I mean, 113 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:42.319 I kind of had an idea that it was like 114 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.680 internet radio, and I'm like, no, man, I ain't doing that, 115 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.759 and he rode me for several weeks. He had a 116 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.000 brother that had a podcast, and he was like, he 117 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.199 can show us how to do everything, and it'd be cool. 118 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.560 And also we can spread this knowledge and these nuggets 119 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.319 to all these other people, get them excited to read 120 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.560 their Bible again. Man, it'd be awesome. And so I 121 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:05.720 ended up doing it, and we've done that for which 122 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.079 we still do it. But that's called the Big Bible Podcast. 123 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.319 But that was just a ministry and that was just 124 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.959 about the Bible, and we talked about the weird things 125 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.800 the Bible and salvation and all that kind of stuff. 126 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:23.079 But then I started just seeing all the connection points 127 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:29.120 with ancient history, lost civilizations, created conspiracy theories and I'm like, man, 128 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.199 I want to do my own show, and I want 129 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:33.160 to go deeper. I want to talk about all this 130 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.319 other stuff. So yeah, that's how I ended up birthing 131 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.040 the Prometheus lens. That way, I can just get as 132 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:43.879 weird and as fringe as I want to without upsetting 133 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:48.399 anybody or making my friends look like total nutjobs. I 134 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:49.680 can just look like the nutjob. 135 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.600 I like that. That's kind of like similar to how 136 00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:00.399 my podcast was born. I think it was like twenty 137 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:03.040 twenty was when you know, I kind of took the 138 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:06.720 red pill. You know, obviously the thing that you know 139 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:11.839 happened and all that that year. My buddy he was 140 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.120 telling him, he's like giving me nuggets and stuff, kind 141 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.839 of like this Trey Smith guy did for you. And 142 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:19.040 he's telling me to read this book and that book, 143 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.120 and he got me on to I think I have 144 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.759 the book here or I know it's here somewhere because 145 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.800 I read it in my hand. Although I think audio 146 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.240 books are probably the way to go for me now, 147 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.840 just because I have such little time to read, and 148 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.399 it's I have more time being able to listen because 149 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:44.200 I drive for a living. But yeah, he started a 150 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.279 podcast and he was just talking about He's his boys 151 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.879 more like Joe Rogan style, where he brings people on 152 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:55.519 and they talk about like a vast range of different things, 153 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.559 but in each one he always like kind of brings 154 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.240 up a conspiracy. And I went on his his show 155 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.799 a couple of times, and I was like, you know what, 156 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.320 I want to do this, but I want to do 157 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.639 it more like in the realm of like conspiracy religion, 158 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:15.639 like exploring spirituality, you know, goats and all the supernatural stuff. 159 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.559 And that's kind of like how this this came about 160 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:20.960 it And it was slow gooing the first year. I 161 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.600 think the first year I started was twenty twenty one, 162 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.200 like in the spring, and then I don't think it 163 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.200 was until twenty twenty two when the ball really started 164 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.559 rolling and I started talking to more people, because I mean, 165 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.320 I love talking to people about this stuff. It's interesting. 166 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:44.600 And you know, I've I think I've heard a little 167 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:51.200 bit of I think I heard you on Heidi's podcast 168 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:54.440 was the first time I ever heard heard you And 169 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.279 that was a really good episode. And I love Heidi 170 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.960 to death. She's you know, she's heart her and I 171 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.639 become pretty close, and I think she becomes pretty close 172 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:10.360 with everybody, she about everybody she has come on. So yeah, man, 173 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:15.360 it's it's have you so do you I haven't been 174 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.320 been able to check out your personal podcast as of yet, 175 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:23.399 but do you bring on guests as well or do 176 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:28.440 you more so talk to people on your own. 177 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.600 Yeah, it's a it's kind of like in the style 178 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:36.279 of Rogue. I bring on all kinds of guests and 179 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:40.360 their authors, researchers, you know, historians and things like that, 180 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:42.200 and we just have conversations. 181 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:42.960 Uh. 182 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.200 Things that kind of bothered me about a lot of podcasts. 183 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.919 Is they just a lot of guests or I'm sorry, 184 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:58.159 A lot of podcasters will bring guests on their show 185 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:00.840 and they just sit back and let the guests just 186 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.399 take over and they just sit back, you know, they 187 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.480 might ask a question or two, they don't contribute much 188 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.559 to the show. And I was like, dude, I want 189 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.879 to have conversations with these people. So I try my 190 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:18.080 best to. If I'm having somebody on, I've read their 191 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:21.240 books or I've read up on the subject matter that 192 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.960 they wrote their book on, and we have conversations back 193 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.720 and forth. And it's worked really well for me because 194 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:35.440 Ryan Peterson, David Roll, doctor jud Burton, several of these 195 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.759 guys that I've had on the show while recording on 196 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.840 the show, they were just like, man, you know your stuff, 197 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:48.879 I've never talked about that, and man, when am I 198 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.960 gonna come back on? And they're excited to come on 199 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.759 the show because they actually I'm not saying I'm on 200 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.679 their intellectual level, but I'm least familiar with the material 201 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.960 and we can have conversations back and forth because they 202 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.559 don't get that much. And you can listen to somebody 203 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:10.320 a hundred times, but if you actually listen to them 204 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.919 and they have a conversation with somebody and they get 205 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.600 the bounced ideas, go back and forth and have discussion, 206 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.039 You're going to pull so much more out of them 207 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.919 than any of the other people. And that's what I 208 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.879 try to do. But because nobody knows dying Hearts on Joy, 209 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:28.080 you know what I mean. 210 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:29.000 I love this stuff. 211 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:35.039 I'm a big nerd. But I also do solo episodes 212 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:38.799 where I just totally just deep dive and break down something. 213 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.600 And I do more interviews right now because I got 214 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:44.960 a full time job, you know, I work forty plus 215 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:46.960 hours a week and do this on the weekends. But 216 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:52.080 definitely I got plenty of shows and the works that 217 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.120 I want to do, but I've done a few solos. 218 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:59.120 Okay, yeah, that's how I kind of wanted to do 219 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:01.279 it too. I wanted to do a couple, so I 220 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:06.559 think I've only done one solo. And then, uh, you know, 221 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.879 I I'm the same way. I work forty plus hours. 222 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.720 I'm usually close to pretty close to sixty hours. So 223 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:20.879 anything that I consume audibly is the best. But man, 224 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.159 I even you listening to you on the Confessionals, man, 225 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:29.039 it was, it was. It was awesome, you know. I 226 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.120 And then actually, you know what, I think. I think 227 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:35.360 I've seen a couple of year reels too, so I think, 228 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:38.840 you know, we've I think I've followed you. I've been 229 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:41.159 following you on Instagram for a few months now. I 230 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.480 don't think it was recent. I think it's been been 231 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.639 a while. But man, like the stuff you talk about, 232 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:49.759 I think because I think I have to find it 233 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.360 fascinating the parallels that go in with like you were 234 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.960 just saying before we started recording, the parallels between the 235 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:02.519 and when actually when you were talking about this, gentleman, 236 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:08.279 Trey Smith, the parallels between the supernatural realm and religion 237 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:13.039 is fascinating to me. You know, a lot of like 238 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:17.799 people in the religious circles will dismiss a lot of it. 239 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:23.279 I think like Tony Merkle of the Confessionals, Like one 240 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:28.440 of his things was, you know, there's a lot of 241 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.559 things in the Bible that almost seem that are supernatural, 242 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.639 but yet the people that are reading it are like, 243 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.279 ghosts aren't real and stuff like that. So he's just like, 244 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:42.080 that's that's kind of a weird take to have on 245 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:46.759 something that you read every week or listen to, like 246 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:48.240 the Olagion itself. 247 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.399 I mean, yeah, to the outside person, we take for 248 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:53.399 granted because we grow up this way, we hear these 249 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:59.000 stories very often. But it's like, you don't believe in ghosts, 250 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.279 you don't believe in magic, you don't believe in demons, 251 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:08.480 and miracles don't happen anymore, and just so just blah 252 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.279 with their quote unquote faith. But at the same time, 253 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.360 these are the same people that profess that God came 254 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.799 down in the flesh, then all kinds of miracles, turned 255 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:22.559 water into wine, walked on water, died, resurrected, and it's 256 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.799 coming back to judge the earth and take everyone to Heaven. 257 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.759 And you don't believe in ghosts, you don't believe in demons. 258 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:37.399 I mean that just totally asked backwards. Yeah, I mean 259 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.240 it's laughable when you say it out loud. 260 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:46.120 Yeah, yeah, it is. And it is funny too, because, 261 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.679 especially since I started this podcast, when I have regular 262 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.840 conversations with like regular people, not people that I find 263 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:57.279 for the podcast, to talk about this stuff. But they'll 264 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.360 be like, I'll be like, yeah, I have a podcast 265 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.000 or something like that's somehow it'll get brought up and 266 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.639 they'll be like, what is it about. I'll tell them, 267 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.480 what about? Oh, you believe in ghosts. I'm like, yeah, 268 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.279 I do. Oh I've never I've never seen one. And 269 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.159 I'm like, no, you've never seen one. I was like, oh, 270 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.320 well you don't always see them and stuff like that. 271 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.200 And then they'll be like, oh, well, this one thing 272 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.080 happens one time that was really strange, and I was like, 273 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:20.399 that sounds like a ghost. 274 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.039 Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. At the same time, it's 275 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.720 like you don't see the air you breathe, but you 276 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.440 know what's there because you're still here. Yeah. 277 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:40.639 Absolutely absolutely. Oh man, So how was Blurry con How 278 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:41.039 was that? 279 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.440 It was good? I had a good time. It was 280 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.559 my first blurry Con event that I went to, and 281 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:51.759 a big group of us that i'd met on there. 282 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.320 We all pitched in and got a huge Airbnb and 283 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.240 it was literally like less than five minutes from the 284 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.480 condo with church that they were hosting the vent at. 285 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.440 So we got to hang out with everybody at the 286 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.759 event and friends we made and friends that we already 287 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.359 had to Facebook and stuff. We invite them back to 288 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:14.279 the house and after they shut the doors. They usually 289 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.839 shut them around six thirty or seven, and then we 290 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.160 just have everybody at the house. We had a big 291 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.200 four or five bedroom house, had a game room down 292 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.799 in the basement and a huge yard with fire pits, 293 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.839 so we were roasting somemores and hot dogs, and I 294 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.640 brought my guitar, so we was just playing music, setting 295 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:35.599 around the fire, sharing swoopy stories and testimonies and we 296 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:37.000 had a really good time. 297 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.400 That's awesome. That is awesome. Man. 298 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:44.319 Check this out. I brought this with me. You might 299 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:52.000 have seen this from my reels and stuff. This is 300 00:17:52.319 --> 00:18:01.119 ed the head. Yes, yes, I'll always take it with 301 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:04.519 me the conferences. And I'm kind of assembling my mount 302 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:10.279 rushmore of Nephelin Hunters. So I got doctor Laura Sanger 303 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.720 to sign it. I got Tony Merkle to sign it. 304 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.839 I got the the River Winds Chief Joseph and doctor 305 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:23.160 laure Lean La Marzouli, Derrek, Gilbert, Doug van Dorn, Georgio 306 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:28.839 from Ancient Aliens, and then added Timothy Albarino. But I 307 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.359 told him, I said, you got to sign above Georgio, though, 308 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:36.759 you got to get one over on him. 309 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.279 That's a hustle, man, I think that. Damn it. Oh, 310 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.920 why can't I ever think of his name? You just 311 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.920 freaking said it to uh, the Ancient Aliens guy. I 312 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:47.839 think he's going to be at. 313 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:54.680 Yes, yep, yeah. I can never think of or pronounce 314 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.640 his last name, but I know it starts with an S. 315 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.599 I always forget his name. I don't know why I 316 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.839 said his name like a hundred times, and I always 317 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.480 forget it when and literally you just set it to 318 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:12.680 don King. I was. I was trying to explain who 319 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:14.680 he was to my girlfriend because I was gonna I'm 320 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:18.720 thinking I was gonna go to down to Kentucky for 321 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:24.680 Cryptid Con. But it's sixteen hours for a drive, and 322 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:29.880 the plane ticket is a bit much for all of us, 323 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.440 because I mean, it doesn't doesn't make sense for me. 324 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.359 I mean, I could just go by myself, but I 325 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.119 don't know. My son's birthday is on the following Monday, 326 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.720 on the twenty fifth, So I was like, maybe I 327 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.480 should just do something for my kid's birthday. So you 328 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:47.319 mean he's gonna be turned NS. 329 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.920 So I got lucky so I didn't have to drive 330 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:56.720 for But yeah, honestly he was a nice guy. Yeah, 331 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.680 but he had like some kind of bodyguard with him, 332 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.240 and he was just a complete clown. He was a jerk, 333 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.039 and so I don't know if he was just a jerk, 334 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:10.799 and so it was a good cop bad cop, or 335 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.319 really that Georgio is a jerk and he pays this 336 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.720 guy to be the jerk so he can look nice. 337 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.480 But maybe I paid like a hundred bucks for a 338 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.160 VIP ticket and they told you that you're going to 339 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.759 have special upfront seating. You're gonna get to be able 340 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:32.519 to meet him and ask questions. They're gonna have a 341 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.440 Q and A and all this stuff. And I was like, yeah, 342 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:37.839 I'll pay the extra money and I'll take my skull 343 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.279 and have him sign it. Well, then I get there. 344 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.799 I got a VIP lanyard and a shirt. As a 345 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:46.480 matter of fact, I got the shirt on now. But 346 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:51.160 then I looked at him having no special seating. It's 347 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.240 just everybody said whatever they wanted to. And then I 348 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.039 got up there to have him sign it, and I figured, 349 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:57.920 you know, where I was a VIP that it was 350 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.359 part of like at the meat and greet or whatever, 351 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:01.640 and they were like, hey, do you want an autograph 352 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:05.440 and a picture of sixty bucks? I was like what? 353 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:08.880 And I then drove and brought all that there. So 354 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.720 I just forked over the money. But then after that, 355 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:13.759 when I brought my camera and stuff, I just wanted to, 356 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.759 you know, take some more pictures and while he was 357 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.160 up there talking or doing the Q and A, maybe 358 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:20.480 just film a little bit to get some clips. I mean, 359 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:22.240 I know they don't want you film and the whole thing, 360 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.640 but that dude was complete jerk. Like when I was 361 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.599 walking around trying to take pictures, he would like jump 362 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:29.720 in front of him and wouldn't let me get pictures. 363 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.319 And anybody in the audience that pulled out their phone 364 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.160 or something, he would run, I mean like run almost 365 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.799 tackle them to smack their phone down. And stuff. He 366 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:39.559 was he was a jerk. 367 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.200 That's ridiculous. 368 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:47.119 Yeah. 369 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:53.400 Some people, Yeah, some people. The hundred bucks man. Yeah, 370 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:57.319 we all came here just to just to just to 371 00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:59.839 see the guy, well not just to see him, but 372 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:02.720 you know, it's a part of the event, so you 373 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:06.160 think you'd be able to But it's one of the. 374 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.039 Guys that put the event on. He was a worker. 375 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:09.920 Me and him was even talking about it, and he 376 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.799 was like, yeah, he said the same thing idea. He said, 377 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:15.079 I don't know if it's really that Georgia's a jerk 378 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:17.000 and he pays that guy to be the bad guy, 379 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.279 or if that guy is just like you talk about, 380 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.839 just somebody takes their job too seriously and gets off 381 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.720 on the authority. He said. But hell, he said, we 382 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:28.240 paid him ten thousand dollars to come to this event. 383 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:30.920 You think he shouldn't be that hard up for money. 384 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.759 Charged nearby sixty dollars for an autograph and a picture. 385 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:39.880 I was like, good lord, oh my goodness, ten thousand 386 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.519 dollars and I'm still gonna make everybody pay me sixty dollars. 387 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:49.160 That is some I mean some people. I've one of 388 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:53.319 my buddies. It's interesting it's interesting when people think they're 389 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:57.640 like it's like big presence now, you know what I mean. 390 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:00.240 Like they I guess they get some kind of sort 391 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:04.319 of fame and they kind of like, uh, become something 392 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:11.319 that's off putting. There's another Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of 393 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:16.720 I don't know if you know who I am, but 394 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.279 I kind of a big deal. Yeah. We were doing 395 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:23.559 this trailer trade thing for the podcast, and he asked 396 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:29.799 another podcaster if they would be interested in uh and 397 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.240 and joining and they were like, oh, I'm too big. 398 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:33.720 I'm too big to do that stuff. 399 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:34.680 And I was like, what. 400 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.160 That's good. I was like, okay, so you're too you're 401 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.839