Speaker 1: Walter Sterling with Eddie Dragon. Eddie, congratulations for being on
Speaker 1: the other side of midnight.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Walter, I appreciate being here and good
Speaker 2: evening to all of midnight. Missfie.
Speaker 1: Are you on a speaker right now? Are you on
Speaker 1: a speaker?
Speaker 2: I am. I am not on a speaker.
Speaker 1: I'm a bluetoothing.
Speaker 2: Not on a bluetooth. No on the Bose microphone?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Why can't you just talk into
Speaker 1: a phone or sure? Wait wait you're Are you on Opal?
Speaker 2: I am on Apple?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I apologize my mistake. You sound great. Now
Speaker 1: listen do you think what do you think? What I think,
Speaker 1: which is that we were uphoned. I was on the
Speaker 1: air at four fifteen yesterday morning and I had five
Speaker 1: lines full and boom, they all went off, and our
Speaker 1: phone systems have never worked since. They didn't work this afternoon.
Speaker 1: People are saying, well, it's Verizon. There's a problem with Verizon.
Speaker 1: There's no Verizon does not have a twenty four hour problem.
Speaker 1: It's a digital based system. It isn't a wire has
Speaker 1: burned out. They did something, that's my opinion.
Speaker 2: Generally they own the bands, or they own that signal
Speaker 2: or you know, like radio stations, they have that signal
Speaker 2: that's plugged in. The only way that that type of
Speaker 2: thing can happen is if there's interference directly with that tower,
Speaker 2: which is off of a type of repeater, if you will,
Speaker 2: which I've actually seen happen. But they're never down for
Speaker 2: that length of time.
Speaker 1: It's insane. And they actually attacked your tower, didn't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a radio tower, very different, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that's off permanently. By the way, When you
Speaker 2: speak the way I do about things, and maybe many
Speaker 2: other people, they get deplatformed, if you will. I've been
Speaker 2: banned from social media and all sorts of different places,
Speaker 2: and that's short of it is well, yeah, so cool, okay, Walter,
Speaker 2: I wish I could be back.
Speaker 1: I don't have any friends who are this as interesting
Speaker 1: as you.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you know when you're banned on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.
Speaker 2: I mean I've been taking off of everything because, you know,
Speaker 2: you start saying things that people think that are truthful,
Speaker 2: because they are truthful. The truth is still out there, Walter,
Speaker 2: as your midnight midnight misfits now, you know, And we're
Speaker 2: going to delve into another one here this morning.
Speaker 1: Are you in Utah. R Now are you in Utah?
Speaker 2: I am in Utah, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to shut up. You're going to tell
Speaker 1: us exactly where you are, what you're looking at. Take
Speaker 1: us there and I'll be quiet.
Speaker 2: I'm about two miles from Utah Valley University, just recently
Speaker 2: passed by the Skinwalker Ranch, which is what I'm gonna
Speaker 2: address tonight. And we talked about it in the sense
Speaker 2: of what is it, Why is there UFO phenomenon there?
Speaker 2: Or is there five hundred and twelve acres right on
Speaker 2: the edge of the reserv open fields, old ranch buildings,
Speaker 2: And then the mace is just you know, sitting out
Speaker 2: there on the horizon, and it's got a very dark reputation.
Speaker 2: It's an ordinary patch of dirt really as you drive
Speaker 2: right past it into maybe now the most haunted address
Speaker 2: in all of America, Ladies and gentlemen, Midnight Misfits, Welcome
Speaker 2: to Skinwalker Ranch, Part UFO Hotspot Park, ghost Story Park, Government,
Speaker 2: Shadow Mystery, and part I'll say at one of the
Speaker 2: most effective businesses businesses in America at never quite answering
Speaker 2: the question. Now, the name itself comes from real Navajo traditions.
Speaker 2: The Skinwalker, which is this witch set to possess and
Speaker 2: imitate animals. Right, It's a living, spiritual belief and it
Speaker 2: deserves respect, of course. But what pop culture did with
Speaker 2: it it turned it into a late night monster brand,
Speaker 2: which we often talk about. But this legend, the one
Speaker 2: that made Skinwalker Ranch a household name, that exploded back
Speaker 2: in the nineties, nineteen ninety four to be exact, Walter
Speaker 2: Terry and Gwyn Sherman by the property. Two years later
Speaker 2: they're gone, and in between they say the weirdness started
Speaker 2: almost immediately. Strange lights, voices with no throats behind them,
Speaker 2: cattle mutilated, no tracks, no blood trail, no predator sign.
Speaker 2: Creatures that, by their account, made no biological sense at all.
Speaker 2: And here's the one that still gives people chills. A
Speaker 2: massive wolf like animal showed up near the family's cattle.
Speaker 2: They say it was very large, fearless, and when Sherman
Speaker 2: put rounds into it at very close range, it didn't drop,
Speaker 2: it didn't bleed. It just walked off, vanished into the
Speaker 2: open country of Skinwalker Ranch. Has nowhere to hide something
Speaker 2: that size. That's a great story, right, hits every nerve
Speaker 2: you know. The family farm, the helpless lifestyle, all the predators.
Speaker 2: It's pri it's perfect, right, a gun that doesn't do
Speaker 2: its job. But let's be straight, Walter, that's an unverified allegation.
Speaker 2: It's not a fact. And that's the actual horror of
Speaker 2: this place, not that we know what happened out there.
Speaker 2: It's at every major claim, every single one. And you
Speaker 2: can go on Netflix and watch The Skinwalker something. It's
Speaker 2: like fifteen episodes of nothing collapses into this fog the
Speaker 2: second that you ask for any sort of evidence, because
Speaker 2: I want to know, I want it to be true. Right,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, Robert Bigelow buys the ranch, pours money
Speaker 2: into it. Since investigator, scientists, intelligence people for years, and
Speaker 2: even a guy by the name of Colin Kellerher Bigelow's
Speaker 2: own lead researcher co author of the book Hunt for
Speaker 2: the Skinwalker, later admitted that the team came away with
Speaker 2: little physical evidence that could actually count as conclusive proof
Speaker 2: for anything quote unquote anomalous. And that's the word that
Speaker 2: they keep using out there so years. Surveillance, investigators, strange reports,
Speaker 2: alleged UFOs, fight witnesses. Right, still, Walter, no proof sturdy
Speaker 2: enough to close the case. On this thing. The ranch
Speaker 2: isn't scary because it's solved the paranormal. It's scary because
Speaker 2: it built a permanent condition of suspicion and it has
Speaker 2: never let it go. And now you add the federal
Speaker 2: shadow in all this thing, and get this. Bigelow's company
Speaker 2: landed a twenty two million dollar government contract something called
Speaker 2: an Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program studying exotic sciences
Speaker 2: anomalist phenomena, and that part of it is real, but
Speaker 2: the government curiosity is not government confirmation at all. Nobody
Speaker 2: signed off on any portals over the utah MESA, nobody
Speaker 2: certified a creature walking through walls. The money and the
Speaker 2: classified sounding language made the legend even bigger, and it
Speaker 2: still hasn't made one thing true. So enter twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: A guy by the named of Brandon Fugel, a commercial
Speaker 2: real estate guy. He buys the ranch from Bigelow, installs
Speaker 2: camera sensors, full monitoring, and Netflix series frames the whole
Speaker 2: thing as a serious scientific project, not a paranormal theme park.
Speaker 2: And he's been pretty clear about everything. He's not just
Speaker 2: throwing the gates open. He says the site needs security, discipline,
Speaker 2: protection from thrill seekers. So here's the question I want
Speaker 2: to ask you, who you're all sitting with this, Why
Speaker 2: hasn't any of this been solved? And there's two reasons,
Speaker 2: and this is really the unsolved part that we all
Speaker 2: want to believe in something. One the phenomena, if it's real,
Speaker 2: it's irregular. Science demands repeatability, something you conserve on command.
Speaker 2: And two, and this is the part nobody wants to
Speaker 2: say out loud. The ranch's greatest assets it's ambiguity. So
Speaker 2: we need to basically prove that there's actually something out
Speaker 2: there you can't get onto it. The bigger picture of
Speaker 2: all this is unavoidable. The secrecy has protected the investigation,
Speaker 2: but also protects the brand Skinwalker Ranch. Lockgates preserve the atmosphere,
Speaker 2: restricted data preserves the art, and the episodic reveals preserve
Speaker 2: the audience. So every time this ranch produces one more
Speaker 2: unexplained story without a single piece of conclusive proof, it
Speaker 2: becomes more valuable and maybe traded to yet another investor.
Speaker 2: So it really for all the midnight here, well yeah,
Speaker 2: the midnight misfits that are out there. Not every conspiracy
Speaker 2: theory needs to be believed as a conspiracy theory. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's just a commercial enterprise. This property has traded place
Speaker 2: or traded hands three separate times, and yet we have
Speaker 2: no conclusive evidence of actually anything. Any of the owners
Speaker 2: there have not provided anything other than a fifteen episode
Speaker 2: series on Netflix. And the whole thing is just these
Speaker 2: guys acting out landishly and they're proving nothing. They're doing
Speaker 2: infrared radar, they're saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, Hey, look at that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's loss. So let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: Eddie Arrogan, Eddie Dragon, do you have a conclusion, your
Speaker 1: own personal conclusion about what Skinwalker Ranch is and then
Speaker 1: I'll tell you mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that, you know, Skinwalker Ranch is just
Speaker 2: a lot of rich people trying to fulfill their boyhood
Speaker 2: dreams about what they think is phenomena. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like the Disney World, as one person said, of paranormal
Speaker 2: stuff at this point, and you know, once it kind
Speaker 2: of hits the mainstream and it really lacks a lot
Speaker 2: of that pool that we want out of some of
Speaker 2: the things you know that are out there, I think
Speaker 2: the mystery has really lost its luster. It's more of
Speaker 2: a marketing piece than it is anything else. And it
Speaker 2: is a cash cow up the government sticks twenty two
Speaker 2: million dollars into it and finds nothing after endless test
Speaker 2: on five h twelve acres and you see show after
Speaker 2: show putting out it's really kind of I think lost
Speaker 2: its edge as far as you know, being the center
Speaker 2: of paranormal slash UFO slash. You pick your conspiratorial activity
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Why are you visiting.
Speaker 2: Because I have to. I mean, I'm interested. I want
Speaker 2: to debunk or I want to define it, or I
Speaker 2: want to you want to see what's out there. I'm
Speaker 2: literally right now two and a half miles from the
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk site assassination site from Utah Valley University. And
Speaker 2: my opinion, given what's happening right now in the world,
Speaker 2: that's a far more interesting thing. Is we have discussed
Speaker 2: in the past about Tyler Robinson, whether he's a patsy
Speaker 2: or whether he's a real shooter. You know, that's for
Speaker 2: other people to decide, and you know where you and
Speaker 2: I stand on all of that, and that's far more interesting.
Speaker 1: That's not for other people to decide. What's your opinion
Speaker 1: on that?
Speaker 2: Well, you my opinion and I will continue to repeat it.
Speaker 2: There's zero chance that Tyler Robinson took him out. I
Speaker 2: doubt he's ever filed a fire to rifle in his life.
Speaker 2: The road microphone went off, it is, there's multiple angles
Speaker 2: on it, and there's so many things that are surrounding
Speaker 2: all that. There's no doubt that Charlie Kirk was killed
Speaker 2: by that microphone that was placed inside his shirt about
Speaker 2: what three minutes before he went up on stage.
Speaker 1: What I find most interesting and most telling whether it
Speaker 1: was the microphone or not. I also don't believe it
Speaker 1: was the guy what's his name, Tyler Robinson and Tyler
Speaker 1: Robinson accused assassin of Charlie Kirk. He The reason I
Speaker 1: don't believe that it was him was because of everything else.
Speaker 1: Forget about the microphone thing. That's a separate logistics problem.
Speaker 1: But what's amazing to me is that his security detail
Speaker 1: did not react like he had been, that they were
Speaker 1: shocked by the fact that he was that he was shot.
Speaker 1: They did not did not act surprised. The way they
Speaker 1: got him into a car or an ambulance or whatever
Speaker 1: also made no sense. There's always what.
Speaker 2: Eighteen seconds they loaded Charlie Kirk into the back of
Speaker 2: that suv ready to go and out the door, right.
Speaker 1: And at those events with a crowd that size, there's
Speaker 1: always an ambulance. Well where was that ambulance? Okay, that
Speaker 1: wasn't there.
Speaker 2: There was medical professionals. Yeah, there was medical professionals directly
Speaker 2: on site, and they refused to use them. They decided
Speaker 2: to throw him into the and take a thirteen minute
Speaker 2: trip to Tippanogo's hospital.
Speaker 1: And they cleaned up rather than collected evidence from the scene.
Speaker 1: They cleaned it up, I sure did, wiped it away,
Speaker 1: sold it, did everything they could to sanitize the entire site.
Speaker 1: None of that makes any sense.
Speaker 2: None of it does. And that's whether so many questions.
Speaker 2: There's going to be a big debate this weekend of
Speaker 2: the death of Charlie Kirk. As I told you a
Speaker 2: lot was we were talking last month. Everything is ramping
Speaker 2: up to September tenth of this year, the one year anniversary,
Speaker 2: and that's gonna you know, really define things politically, things
Speaker 2: what people will you know, people are talking to talk
Speaker 2: about again. You know, where's the JFK files, Where was
Speaker 2: the UFO files? Where all these things? You know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people feel that the government is covering a
Speaker 2: lot of the Charlie Kirk assassination up.
Speaker 1: Do you yes, well, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 1: You feel that a lot of people are covering things up.
Speaker 2: No, I feel. I don't feel. I know there's too
Speaker 2: much information that's at there. Absolutely, I've been to the
Speaker 2: site several times. It's impossible to make see. And here's
Speaker 2: the deal. If you look at the distance from where
Speaker 2: he shot it and the speed of sound versus the
Speaker 2: speed of that bullet, the bullet would have arrived twice
Speaker 2: as fast as the speed of sound and the reaction
Speaker 2: times if you just look at nothing else, takes point
Speaker 2: three four seconds for that sound to hit where the
Speaker 2: bullet hits in point one to eight seconds. Like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense even in the reaction times. There was
Speaker 2: a precision organizational strike. If you will about how that happened.
Speaker 1: What does that mean.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a coordination between hand signals, there's a coordination
Speaker 2: between the gun sound, there's a coordination between when the
Speaker 2: mic goes off. There's a coordination between the reaction times
Speaker 2: of the people who were in Charlie Kirk's I mean
Speaker 2: his handler, his number one guy, a guy by the
Speaker 2: name of Mikey McCoy, as soon as that sound goes off,
Speaker 2: he's sitting there taking a picture of Charlie Kirk. He
Speaker 2: literally flips around and walks away. Now, if my best
Speaker 2: friend and the guy that I'm most responsible for I'm
Speaker 2: right next to, I'm jumping on top of that guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, these are all in like, not natural reactions.
Speaker 2: I mean, Walter was right next to you, So it.
Speaker 1: Looked like a tableau. It looked like a panorama. It
Speaker 1: didn't look like somebody had just been shot. And you
Speaker 1: and I are on the air in Chicago on the
Speaker 1: Great WGN Radio Eddie. Everything I see of the Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk site, all that footage, everything, I'm like, nobody reacted correctly.
Speaker 1: And therefore my question is, what is their motive? What
Speaker 1: is their reward for not acting correctly? Why did his
Speaker 1: security team, the people on that stage, why did none
Speaker 1: of them act correctly?
Speaker 2: I think that's where we all get ourselves into trouble,
Speaker 2: because I can tell you what the motive wasn't. It
Speaker 2: wasn't to expose Charlie Kirk as a transgender, hating human
Speaker 2: being and killing him for that. That's what the motive
Speaker 2: they said that exists, and we know that not to
Speaker 2: be true.
Speaker 1: So that's an insanely stupid motive.
Speaker 2: Well that's what they're saying.
Speaker 1: It is so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much the mainstream media saying this, Walter, and
Speaker 2: that's the motivation. Why don't we hear from Tyler Robinson
Speaker 2: what was your motivation from doing it? And I guarantee you,
Speaker 2: within the first ten seconds of him telling us what
Speaker 2: his motivation was, none of us would believe what he
Speaker 2: is saying. He's a Patsy.
Speaker 1: Eddie Arrogan. How do we reach you? What's your radio
Speaker 1: station in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Rockoftalk dot com. That's rockoftalk dot com or on the
Speaker 2: am dial Am sixteen hundred Kiva.
Speaker 1: I have a homework assignment for you. Are you ready?
Speaker 2: I am. I've got my pen and paper, my trustee
Speaker 2: computer next to me as well, so I've taken notes
Speaker 2: three ways. Go ahead shoot a.
Speaker 1: Very good thing to do in the hotel room. There
Speaker 1: are two TV series that I insist you watch. One
Speaker 1: of them is on Netflix. It's called Off Campus and
Speaker 1: it's about wild teens. And then the other series to watch,
Speaker 1: which is Let's See eight Parts on Amazon Prime is
Speaker 1: called Sterling Point, which is the name of a Canadian
Speaker 1: What do they call them? It's a Canadian lake. It's
Speaker 1: a Canadian lake where rich people in Canada go for
Speaker 1: the summer. And these are the finest dramas you could
Speaker 1: ever imagine. There is nobody over the age of twenty one.
Speaker 1: There's nobody who is an attractive there's no one who
Speaker 1: needs to ask Daddy for money. It's just quite something.
Speaker 2: It's it's quite a dream, Walter. I mean you you
Speaker 2: just talked about heaving. One of the things I just
Speaker 2: finished was the Idaho murders, which is.
Speaker 1: I couldn't watch you reett. I saw, I saw that
Speaker 1: it was up there, and I just felt so bad
Speaker 1: for all those people. What did you learn from that?
Speaker 2: Oh? I learned that psychopaths are developed over a period
Speaker 2: of time. This is a man who had no feeling,
Speaker 2: you know anything. And there's three takeaways here that's very important.
Speaker 2: I think you're the phone just like anybody who watches
Speaker 2: a Daylight or an ID Network type show, the phone pinging.
Speaker 2: The FBI is very good at number two. The FBI
Speaker 2: is very good at getting one little flint of evidence,
Speaker 2: if you will, that was on the knife sheath and
Speaker 2: they run it through this DNA database like that was
Speaker 2: pretty remarkable, So none of this was like because he
Speaker 2: was a complete and total ghost in the night. And three,
Speaker 2: they can identify your car even if they don't have
Speaker 2: the plates, just by make, model and locale, so they
Speaker 2: know everybody who owns a car. And this goes back
Speaker 2: to the flock cameras. This goes back to the Axon
Speaker 2: cameras that are out there this surveillance state. And here's
Speaker 2: where it works for good. In finding the killer of
Speaker 2: those four students from the Idaho University of vandal College
Speaker 2: that was back in twenty twenty two, it took him
Speaker 2: less than thirty days using that information which they had nothing.
Speaker 2: There was just some oh and there's four is all.
Speaker 2: The ring cameras as well helped identify it as well.
Speaker 1: Eddie Dragon, thank you very much for being on the
Speaker 1: other side of midnight. From the Red Apple Audio Networks,