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<v Speaker 1>Walter Sterling with Eddie Dragon. Eddie, congratulations for being on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, Walter, I appreciate being here and good

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<v Speaker 2>evening to all of midnight. Missfie.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you on a speaker right now? Are you on

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<v Speaker 1>a speaker?

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I am not on a speaker.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bluetoothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Not on a bluetooth. No on the Bose microphone?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no. Why can't you just talk into

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<v Speaker 1>a phone or sure? Wait wait you're Are you on Opal?

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<v Speaker 2>I am on Apple?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, I apologize my mistake. You sound great. Now

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<v Speaker 1>listen do you think what do you think? What I think,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that we were uphoned. I was on the

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<v Speaker 1>air at four fifteen yesterday morning and I had five

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<v Speaker 1>lines full and boom, they all went off, and our

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<v Speaker 1>phone systems have never worked since. They didn't work this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>People are saying, well, it's Verizon. There's a problem with Verizon.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no Verizon does not have a twenty four hour problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a digital based system. It isn't a wire has

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<v Speaker 1>burned out. They did something, that's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Generally they own the bands, or they own that signal

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, like radio stations, they have that signal

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<v Speaker 2>that's plugged in. The only way that that type of

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<v Speaker 2>thing can happen is if there's interference directly with that tower,

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<v Speaker 2>which is off of a type of repeater, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>which I've actually seen happen. But they're never down for

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<v Speaker 2>that length of time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane. And they actually attacked your tower, didn't they.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was a radio tower, very different, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was that's off permanently. By the way, When you

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<v Speaker 2>speak the way I do about things, and maybe many

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<v Speaker 2>other people, they get deplatformed, if you will. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>banned from social media and all sorts of different places,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's short of it is well, yeah, so cool, okay, Walter,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could be back.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any friends who are this as interesting

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<v Speaker 1>as you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you know when you're banned on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've been taking off of everything because, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you start saying things that people think that are truthful,

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<v Speaker 2>because they are truthful. The truth is still out there, Walter,

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<v Speaker 2>as your midnight midnight misfits now, you know, And we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to delve into another one here this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you in Utah. R Now are you in Utah?

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<v Speaker 2>I am in Utah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to shut up. You're going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>us exactly where you are, what you're looking at. Take

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<v Speaker 1>us there and I'll be quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about two miles from Utah Valley University, just recently

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<v Speaker 2>passed by the Skinwalker Ranch, which is what I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>address tonight. And we talked about it in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>of what is it, Why is there UFO phenomenon there?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is there five hundred and twelve acres right on

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<v Speaker 2>the edge of the reserv open fields, old ranch buildings,

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<v Speaker 2>And then the mace is just you know, sitting out

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<v Speaker 2>there on the horizon, and it's got a very dark reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an ordinary patch of dirt really as you drive

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<v Speaker 2>right past it into maybe now the most haunted address

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<v Speaker 2>in all of America, Ladies and gentlemen, Midnight Misfits, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to Skinwalker Ranch, Part UFO Hotspot Park, ghost Story Park, Government,

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<v Speaker 2>Shadow Mystery, and part I'll say at one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most effective businesses businesses in America at never quite answering

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<v Speaker 2>the question. Now, the name itself comes from real Navajo traditions.

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<v Speaker 2>The Skinwalker, which is this witch set to possess and

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<v Speaker 2>imitate animals. Right, It's a living, spiritual belief and it

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<v Speaker 2>deserves respect, of course. But what pop culture did with

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<v Speaker 2>it it turned it into a late night monster brand,

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<v Speaker 2>which we often talk about. But this legend, the one

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<v Speaker 2>that made Skinwalker Ranch a household name, that exploded back

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties, nineteen ninety four to be exact, Walter

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<v Speaker 2>Terry and Gwyn Sherman by the property. Two years later

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<v Speaker 2>they're gone, and in between they say the weirdness started

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<v Speaker 2>almost immediately. Strange lights, voices with no throats behind them,

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<v Speaker 2>cattle mutilated, no tracks, no blood trail, no predator sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Creatures that, by their account, made no biological sense at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the one that still gives people chills. A

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<v Speaker 2>massive wolf like animal showed up near the family's cattle.

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<v Speaker 2>They say it was very large, fearless, and when Sherman

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<v Speaker 2>put rounds into it at very close range, it didn't drop,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't bleed. It just walked off, vanished into the

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<v Speaker 2>open country of Skinwalker Ranch. Has nowhere to hide something

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<v Speaker 2>that size. That's a great story, right, hits every nerve

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<v Speaker 2>you know. The family farm, the helpless lifestyle, all the predators.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pri it's perfect, right, a gun that doesn't do

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<v Speaker 2>its job. But let's be straight, Walter, that's an unverified allegation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a fact. And that's the actual horror of

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<v Speaker 2>this place, not that we know what happened out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's at every major claim, every single one. And you

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<v Speaker 2>can go on Netflix and watch The Skinwalker something. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like fifteen episodes of nothing collapses into this fog the

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<v Speaker 2>second that you ask for any sort of evidence, because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know, I want it to be true. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six, Robert Bigelow buys the ranch, pours money

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<v Speaker 2>into it. Since investigator, scientists, intelligence people for years, and

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<v Speaker 2>even a guy by the name of Colin Kellerher Bigelow's

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<v Speaker 2>own lead researcher co author of the book Hunt for

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<v Speaker 2>the Skinwalker, later admitted that the team came away with

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<v Speaker 2>little physical evidence that could actually count as conclusive proof

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<v Speaker 2>for anything quote unquote anomalous. And that's the word that

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<v Speaker 2>they keep using out there so years. Surveillance, investigators, strange reports,

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<v Speaker 2>alleged UFOs, fight witnesses. Right, still, Walter, no proof sturdy

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<v Speaker 2>enough to close the case. On this thing. The ranch

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<v Speaker 2>isn't scary because it's solved the paranormal. It's scary because

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<v Speaker 2>it built a permanent condition of suspicion and it has

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<v Speaker 2>never let it go. And now you add the federal

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<v Speaker 2>shadow in all this thing, and get this. Bigelow's company

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<v Speaker 2>landed a twenty two million dollar government contract something called

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<v Speaker 2>an Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program studying exotic sciences

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<v Speaker 2>anomalist phenomena, and that part of it is real, but

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<v Speaker 2>the government curiosity is not government confirmation at all. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>signed off on any portals over the utah MESA, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>certified a creature walking through walls. The money and the

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<v Speaker 2>classified sounding language made the legend even bigger, and it

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<v Speaker 2>still hasn't made one thing true. So enter twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>A guy by the named of Brandon Fugel, a commercial

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<v Speaker 2>real estate guy. He buys the ranch from Bigelow, installs

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<v Speaker 2>camera sensors, full monitoring, and Netflix series frames the whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing as a serious scientific project, not a paranormal theme park.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's been pretty clear about everything. He's not just

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<v Speaker 2>throwing the gates open. He says the site needs security, discipline,

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<v Speaker 2>protection from thrill seekers. So here's the question I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you, who you're all sitting with this, Why

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't any of this been solved? And there's two reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is really the unsolved part that we all

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<v Speaker 2>want to believe in something. One the phenomena, if it's real,

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<v Speaker 2>it's irregular. Science demands repeatability, something you conserve on command.

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<v Speaker 2>And two, and this is the part nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 2>say out loud. The ranch's greatest assets it's ambiguity. So

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<v Speaker 2>we need to basically prove that there's actually something out

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<v Speaker 2>there you can't get onto it. The bigger picture of

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<v Speaker 2>all this is unavoidable. The secrecy has protected the investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>but also protects the brand Skinwalker Ranch. Lockgates preserve the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 2>restricted data preserves the art, and the episodic reveals preserve

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<v Speaker 2>the audience. So every time this ranch produces one more

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<v Speaker 2>unexplained story without a single piece of conclusive proof, it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes more valuable and maybe traded to yet another investor.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really for all the midnight here, well yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the midnight misfits that are out there. Not every conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>theory needs to be believed as a conspiracy theory. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a commercial enterprise. This property has traded place

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<v Speaker 2>or traded hands three separate times, and yet we have

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<v Speaker 2>no conclusive evidence of actually anything. Any of the owners

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<v Speaker 2>there have not provided anything other than a fifteen episode

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<v Speaker 2>series on Netflix. And the whole thing is just these

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<v Speaker 2>guys acting out landishly and they're proving nothing. They're doing

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<v Speaker 2>infrared radar, they're saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, Hey, look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's loss. So let's talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Arrogan, Eddie Dragon, do you have a conclusion, your

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<v Speaker 1>own personal conclusion about what Skinwalker Ranch is and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe that, you know, Skinwalker Ranch is just

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of rich people trying to fulfill their boyhood

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<v Speaker 2>dreams about what they think is phenomena. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the Disney World, as one person said, of paranormal

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<v Speaker 2>stuff at this point, and you know, once it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hits the mainstream and it really lacks a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that pool that we want out of some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things you know that are out there, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the mystery has really lost its luster. It's more of

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<v Speaker 2>a marketing piece than it is anything else. And it

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<v Speaker 2>is a cash cow up the government sticks twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars into it and finds nothing after endless test

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<v Speaker 2>on five h twelve acres and you see show after

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<v Speaker 2>show putting out it's really kind of I think lost

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<v Speaker 2>its edge as far as you know, being the center

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<v Speaker 2>of paranormal slash UFO slash. You pick your conspiratorial activity

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you visiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I have to. I mean, I'm interested. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to debunk or I want to define it, or I

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<v Speaker 2>want to you want to see what's out there. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>literally right now two and a half miles from the

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Kirk site assassination site from Utah Valley University. And

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, given what's happening right now in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a far more interesting thing. Is we have discussed

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<v Speaker 2>in the past about Tyler Robinson, whether he's a patsy

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<v Speaker 2>or whether he's a real shooter. You know, that's for

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<v Speaker 2>other people to decide, and you know where you and

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<v Speaker 2>I stand on all of that, and that's far more interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not for other people to decide. What's your opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you my opinion and I will continue to repeat it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's zero chance that Tyler Robinson took him out. I

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<v Speaker 2>doubt he's ever filed a fire to rifle in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>The road microphone went off, it is, there's multiple angles

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<v Speaker 2>on it, and there's so many things that are surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>all that. There's no doubt that Charlie Kirk was killed

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<v Speaker 2>by that microphone that was placed inside his shirt about

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<v Speaker 2>what three minutes before he went up on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>What I find most interesting and most telling whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was the microphone or not. I also don't believe it

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<v Speaker 1>was the guy what's his name, Tyler Robinson and Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson accused assassin of Charlie Kirk. He The reason I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that it was him was because of everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget about the microphone thing. That's a separate logistics problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's amazing to me is that his security detail

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<v Speaker 1>did not react like he had been, that they were

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<v Speaker 1>shocked by the fact that he was that he was shot.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not did not act surprised. The way they

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<v Speaker 1>got him into a car or an ambulance or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>also made no sense. There's always what.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighteen seconds they loaded Charlie Kirk into the back of

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<v Speaker 2>that suv ready to go and out the door, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And at those events with a crowd that size, there's

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<v Speaker 1>always an ambulance. Well where was that ambulance? Okay, that

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<v Speaker 2>There was medical professionals. Yeah, there was medical professionals directly

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<v Speaker 2>on site, and they refused to use them. They decided

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<v Speaker 2>to throw him into the and take a thirteen minute

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<v Speaker 1>And they cleaned up rather than collected evidence from the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>They cleaned it up, I sure did, wiped it away,

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<v Speaker 1>sold it, did everything they could to sanitize the entire site.

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<v Speaker 1>None of that makes any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>None of it does. And that's whether so many questions.

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<v Speaker 2>There's going to be a big debate this weekend of

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<v Speaker 2>the death of Charlie Kirk. As I told you a

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<v Speaker 2>lot was we were talking last month. Everything is ramping

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<v Speaker 2>and that's gonna you know, really define things politically, things

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<v Speaker 2>what people will you know, people are talking to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about again. You know, where's the JFK files, Where was

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<v Speaker 2>the UFO files? Where all these things? You know, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people feel that the government is covering a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the Charlie Kirk assassination up.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you yes, well, that's what I want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel that a lot of people are covering things up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I feel. I don't feel. I know there's too

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<v Speaker 2>much information that's at there. Absolutely, I've been to the

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<v Speaker 2>site several times. It's impossible to make see. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>the deal. If you look at the distance from where

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<v Speaker 2>he shot it and the speed of sound versus the

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<v Speaker 2>speed of that bullet, the bullet would have arrived twice

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<v Speaker 2>as fast as the speed of sound and the reaction

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<v Speaker 2>times if you just look at nothing else, takes point

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<v Speaker 2>three four seconds for that sound to hit where the

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<v Speaker 2>bullet hits in point one to eight seconds. Like, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense even in the reaction times. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a precision organizational strike. If you will about how that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a coordination between hand signals, there's a coordination

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<v Speaker 2>between the gun sound, there's a coordination between when the

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<v Speaker 2>mic goes off. There's a coordination between the reaction times

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who were in Charlie Kirk's I mean

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<v Speaker 2>his handler, his number one guy, a guy by the

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<v Speaker 2>name of Mikey McCoy, as soon as that sound goes off,

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<v Speaker 2>he's sitting there taking a picture of Charlie Kirk. He

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<v Speaker 2>literally flips around and walks away. Now, if my best

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<v Speaker 2>friend and the guy that I'm most responsible for I'm

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<v Speaker 2>right next to, I'm jumping on top of that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these are all in like, not natural reactions.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Walter was right next to you, So it.

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<v Speaker 1>Looked like a tableau. It looked like a panorama. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't look like somebody had just been shot. And you

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<v Speaker 1>and I are on the air in Chicago on the

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<v Speaker 1>Great WGN Radio Eddie. Everything I see of the Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk site, all that footage, everything, I'm like, nobody reacted correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>And therefore my question is, what is their motive? What

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<v Speaker 1>is their reward for not acting correctly? Why did his

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's where we all get ourselves into trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>because I can tell you what the motive wasn't. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't to expose Charlie Kirk as a transgender, hating human

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<v Speaker 2>being and killing him for that. That's what the motive

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<v Speaker 2>they said that exists, and we know that not to

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<v Speaker 1>So that's an insanely stupid motive.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much the mainstream media saying this, Walter, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the motivation. Why don't we hear from Tyler Robinson

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<v Speaker 2>what was your motivation from doing it? And I guarantee you,

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<v Speaker 2>within the first ten seconds of him telling us what

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<v Speaker 2>his motivation was, none of us would believe what he

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<v Speaker 2>is saying. He's a Patsy.

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Arrogan. How do we reach you? What's your radio

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<v Speaker 1>station in New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Rockoftalk dot com. That's rockoftalk dot com or on the

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<v Speaker 2>am dial Am sixteen hundred Kiva.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a homework assignment for you. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I've got my pen and paper, my trustee

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<v Speaker 2>computer next to me as well, so I've taken notes

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<v Speaker 2>three ways. Go ahead shoot a.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good thing to do in the hotel room. There

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<v Speaker 1>are two TV series that I insist you watch. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them is on Netflix. It's called Off Campus and

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<v Speaker 1>it's about wild teens. And then the other series to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Let's See eight Parts on Amazon Prime is

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<v Speaker 1>called Sterling Point, which is the name of a Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>What do they call them? It's a Canadian lake. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a Canadian lake where rich people in Canada go for

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<v Speaker 1>the summer. And these are the finest dramas you could

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<v Speaker 1>ever imagine. There is nobody over the age of twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nobody who is an attractive there's no one who

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<v Speaker 1>needs to ask Daddy for money. It's just quite something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's quite a dream, Walter. I mean you you

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<v Speaker 2>just talked about heaving. One of the things I just

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<v Speaker 2>finished was the Idaho murders, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't watch you reett. I saw, I saw that

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<v Speaker 1>it was up there, and I just felt so bad

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<v Speaker 1>for all those people. What did you learn from that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I learned that psychopaths are developed over a period

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<v Speaker 2>of time. This is a man who had no feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>you know anything. And there's three takeaways here that's very important.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're the phone just like anybody who watches

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<v Speaker 2>a Daylight or an ID Network type show, the phone pinging.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI is very good at number two. The FBI

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<v Speaker 2>is very good at getting one little flint of evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, that was on the knife sheath and

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<v Speaker 2>they run it through this DNA database like that was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty remarkable, So none of this was like because he

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<v Speaker 2>was a complete and total ghost in the night. And three,

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<v Speaker 2>they can identify your car even if they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the plates, just by make, model and locale, so they

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<v Speaker 2>know everybody who owns a car. And this goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to the flock cameras. This goes back to the Axon

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<v Speaker 2>cameras that are out there this surveillance state. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>where it works for good. In finding the killer of

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<v Speaker 2>those four students from the Idaho University of vandal College

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<v Speaker 2>that was back in twenty twenty two, it took him

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<v Speaker 2>less than thirty days using that information which they had nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>There was just some oh and there's four is all.

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<v Speaker 2>The ring cameras as well helped identify it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Dragon, thank you very much for being on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of midnight. From the Red Apple Audio Networks,