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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to
welcome to the show Jane Thompson. Hey doing, Jane, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Alex, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing very good. Thank you so much for coming
on your show. I appreciate you coming on to tell
your unique story of your life's journey so far, which
has had a couple of ups and downs, let's say,
throughout it. So my first question is what is your
life like or what was your life like prior to
having your near death experience.
Speaker 2: Well, my nd I had just turned thirty four, so
I had sometime as an adult. I was very much
into career. That was my main focus. I was a
real estate agent, which is a seven day a week job.
It's you know, from the minute you wake up to
the minute you go to bed, and you're on all
the time. And I enjoyed it. I liked the challenges
of it. I liked the movement of it. And this
was in two thousand and eight, so the market was
not great, so it was a very competitive environment, which
I liked, and it was cutthroat, which I didn't like.
But I felt like I was willing to put in
whatever effort I needed to move forward in a really
ethical way. But work got most of my attention. And
I had a really serious boyfriend and we were, you know,
talking about marriage and getting closer and closer to that.
So relationship wise, things were good. I was happy with
him and he was very into work, so we gave
each other this space to do that, and I, you know,
probably on the surface, everything looked really great, and I
probably would have told you that I was happy, but
there was still that part of me, even before my ND,
where it felt a little bit empty and kind of
like that feeling of this is it. It just didn't feel
full to me. And I was doing what I thought
would bring happiness, kind of you know, you go to school,
you get a job, you are successful, you fall in love.
But as I would check off each box, it wasn't
really fulfilling me in a deep way. And I knew
I had trauma and things that needed healing, and so
I would go to therapy and spirituality was always very
interesting to me, and I dove into different areas, but
nothing really stuck or nothing really resonated, although I did
have what I would say are Christian beliefs, so I
was just really plugging along and I didn't know any better.
Now that I look back, I think, oh, that didn't
seem too great, But at the time, I thought, you know,
this is pretty good, and I've got a good.
Speaker 1: Life, right, So there wasn't any major struggles or issues.
You were just kind of coasting, essentially doing well, doing well,
and just on the outside, at least on.
Speaker 2: The outside, right right, and doing well for the most
part on the inside. But there was that emptiness that
always lingered, even from when I was little, when I
was a small girl, I even remember that being there.
Speaker 1: So what happened on the day that you had your
near death experience?
Speaker 2: The big day, the day that changed everything. It was
August twenty second, two thousand and eight. My near death
experience happened in the emergency room, so we got the
exact time. It was at one twenty pm that day.
The night before, I hadn't been feeling really well and
I went to bed early, and when I woke up
the next morning, I was hot, I was sweating, I
was burning up hot, but I still had the comforter
the covers over me, and when I moved to try
to take the blankets off, I couldn't move my body,
and when I would try to, I was experiencing excruciating pain.
It was the type of pain that you get those
all over body aches that you get when you have
the flu, except it was like a thousand times worse,
more intense than that, and I was fading in and out.
It was very early in the morning. The sun was
just starting to come up, so my bedroom was just
starting to light up, and each time I would open
my eyes, I could see that it was brighter, so
I knew that a certain amount of time had gone by.
And I had the phone next to me, my cell phone,
which is so interesting looking back, because my habit at
that time was to plug my phone in before bed
in the living room, but something that night before I
just brought it into my room, and thank goodness that
I did, because I finally got enough energy or strength
to get the blankets off of me. I reached for
the phone and I called a family member and I said,
something's wrong. I feel awful. I'm in pain. I'm burning up.
I need to go to the doctor. And she said, okay,
let me get dressed. I'll be right over. And I
don't remember anything until she came to the house to
pick me up. I was just completely it's just blackout
for me. And we first went to the hospital. She
saw what I looked like, so we went to the
hospital instead of trying to get to the doctor. The
first hospital that I went to was the one closest
to my house, and they did an MRI, but it
came back inconclusive, so they sent me to a different hospital.
By the time I got there, I was I was hurting.
I couldn't hold up my head. They had me in
a wheelchair to get me into the er. My head
was just hanging and I was really I mean, I
could feel myself dying. At that point, I knew my
body was quitting. And as I was waiting for the
CT scan there, everything around me became very amplified. The
lights in the hospital are pretty harsh anyway, those fluorescent lights,
but boy, were they beating down on me at that point.
There were kids that I could hear in the waiting
room down the hall, and it sounded like they were screaming.
And I told someone that was with me, I said,
those kids are so loud, and she said, they're really
actually being pretty good, And it just everything was so amplified.
Even the clock that was on the wall the second hand,
as it was ticking, I could hear it loudly. And
they came and got me for the CT scan. At
this point, they suspected kidney stones, so they needed to
get the IVY in before they could do the scan,
a special type of scan that they wanted to do.
By this point, I was so dehydrated from that fever,
and they weren't letting me drink or eat anything. They
couldn't get a vein in my arm to put the
IVY in, and I was lying there on the you know,
the mattress that they slide you into the CT tunnel with.
And I was lying there, and I remember that's when
I started trying to leave my body. That's when it
wasn't just blacking out because I was sick or in pain.
I was I could feel myself trying to leave my body,
and every time the nurse would poke my arm to
try to get a vein, it would pull me back in.
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Speaker 2: And I was a little mad about it. I wanted
to leave. I knew what was taking place, and I
told the nurse, I said, just get the needle in,
because I either wanted to be in or I wanted
to be out. And so he got the needle in,
went in for my CT and I don't remember any
of that. I remember afterwards being taken to the area
in the er where I was going to wait for
the doctor to see what to do next. I hadn't
had any pain medication at this time. I was completely
worn out. My temperature was one hundred and six degrees
and I was fading really fast. I remember feeling like
or I remember having this thought of I can't take
this pain anymore. I can't take any more of this pain.
And right at that moment, I closed my eyes and
I was burning up from the fever, and I started
getting very cold all at the same time, and I
started convulsing. I could feel my body shaking all over
my head. There was so much pressure in my head.
I could feel the veins popping in my head, and
again I had that thought of I can't take this anymore.
And it was right at that moment that I completely
disconnected from the external world. I in a way disconnected
from my body. I definitely disconnected from the pain. At
that point the sensations and I started looking around inside
of my I was being shown almost like a movie
that you would see in health class, maybe in middle
school or high school, of the blood pumping, and I
could see that, I could see what the internal organs
looked like, I could see cells, and it was just
an observation. I didn't really think anything of it. I
was just looking as I traveled. And then I had
this knowing of I'm looking at a dying body, that
I'm dying, And it wasn't so much a thought as
it was just a knowing of I'm dying, and oh
my gosh, this is what it feels like to die.
And I wasn't scared. I really had no emotion around
that knowing. You would think I would have, but I
had no emotion around it. And right at that moment,
I popped out of my body. It was very quick,
It was a split second, and I was up on
the ceiling looking down at the scene below me, and
I could see my body lying there on the gurney,
but I felt myself up here on the ceiling and
it didn't make sense. So I needed a moment to
orient to what was going on. And the more that
I realized that the real meat I was up on
the ceiling, I looked down at that body and I
realized that that's the shell of me. I didn't see
any life in that body anymore. And I saw the
scene around me, Doctors, nurses, the couple of people there
that I knew that were watching everything that was happening.
And I was just taking it all in, looking around, observing,
and all of a sudden, I began very gently, very
slowly floating up, and I was backwards because I was
still looking down. I was very very very gently floating
backwards and up, and the walls of the hospital started
to disappear. The machines that I was hooked up to
were disappearing, the bodies were no longer visible. What I
was now looking down at where these little balls of
white light, which that was everybody's soul. I was seeing
everybody's soul, and I saw how everybody was connected by
this really thin iridescent line that looks exactly the way
a spiderweb looks if you catch it just right in
the sunlight. And I was just taking it all in,
and then I had a moment where I observed that
all these little balls of white light, all these souls
were really bouncing around. They were really buzzing around, and
I thought, why are they all running around like chickens
with their heads cut off? Was the exact thought that
I had, and there really wasn't judgment attached to that.
It was just an observation of why is this happening?
I don't understand from my perspective, I didn't understand that
busyness and what looked like frantic energy. So I kept
floating backwards, and then I was really in what I
think was the in between space for a little while.
The void, it was very black, It was very quick.
I got the feeling I wouldn't have wanted to have
stayed there for a long time. And then I very
quickly got sucked into a tunnel. And the tunnel was
very black but not scary at all, and I was
moving through it like I was on a ride at
the amusement park, having the time of my life. It
was fast, it was fun, it was thrilling, It was exciting,
and that was also very quick moving through the tunnel,
and then I immediately plopped right out of the tunnel
and I was in this beautiful, brilliant, clear white light,
and there was such a contrast from the tunnel. The
tunnel was black and fast, and the white light was
bright and it was very calm, and so I needed
a second there to orient to this change as well.
And as soon as I settled in there, the first
thing I immediately felt was the deepest peace that I've
ever felt in my life, just an overwhelming sense of peace,
and it felt safe and warm, and I felt very loved.
I felt very comfortable, I felt very cared for in
that space. And as I was feeling the peace, then
I started really feeling the love that really started getting
soaked up, and it was, you know, truly unconditional love.
I felt very seen when I was in the light.
I felt very seen for all parts of me, and
very accepted. And then more safety comes in. When you
feel seen and you feel accepted and loved, more safety
settles in. And I was just taking it all and
it felt so good, it felt very replenishing, and I
started noticing I knew that my body wasn't there, but
I could still feel me in a sense, you know,
those parts my soul, that the part that's uniquely me.
And I started noticing that there were holes that were
being filled in, and I started feeling more and more
complete as the holes were being filled in, and I
had this understanding that it was wounding that was being healed.
I was getting a healing. I was getting a huge, deep,
profound healing, and I was noticing how it was all
taking place, and it was very gentle, very loving, very
caring and understanding. And the more the holes were filled in,
the more I felt almost as if I was blending
with the white light, but I was still also my
own unique vibration, my own unique self. And then with
that blending, then I started to realize that this white light,
this beautiful white light, it's also me. I just had
that understanding that I'm not separate from it. It's me.
I'm part of all this vastness, this beauty that I'm
taking in, and I was loving every minute of it.
And I then at that point started to notice that
it wasn't just me that was there. I felt almost
like a crowd around me, but a really comfortable crowd,
and I realized it was other souls that were there
with me. And I didn't have really a lot of
time to understand that, because right at that moment I
heard it was an inaudible voice that I heard you
have to go back. Wow. And that was I mean,
that's like a it was like a gut punch. That
was the last thing I wanted to hear because I
was so much in that moment. I was so present
for that moment.
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Speaker 2: It felt so good that I wasn't thinking about anything
else but that, and so to hear you have to
go back, I did not want to hear that at all.
And I started to protest. I said, no, no, no, no, no,
I don't want to go back. Please don't make me
go back. And then I heard it again, you need
to go back, and I knew. I knew that's what
was going to happen. I protested a little more, though,
and right then I felt myself go backwards into the
tunnel quickly and then quickly right back into my body
and through the top of my head. It was like
I got sucked back into my body and I had
a little bit of the pain come back. I experienced
the pain just for a brief second, and it was
enough for me to know, Okay, I'm back in my body,
I'm back in this world. Here I am. And then
it was total blackout till much later that evening when
I went into pre opt to prepare for what would
be my first surgery to get well again.
Speaker 1: So when you went into your first surgery or any
of your surgeries, did you go back by any chance
or that was it?
Speaker 2: No? I did not go back. I had a brief
out of body experience during the first surgery that night
where I popped out quickly looked down, I saw the
sea of you know, that bluish green scrub color, and
then I popped back in and then that was it.
Speaker 1: That was it, just a little quick how you do exactly?
Speaker 2: Oh? There I am? What are they doing? What is it?
Speaker 1: Good? Solid? All right, I'm gonna get back in there.
So when you were on the other side, did you
were there any guides? Were there any you know, relatives,
was you know, was there a deity anything like that
show up?
Speaker 2: It was just me and God and it was beautiful
to have that. I get so emotional still to have that,
you know, direct interaction.
Speaker 1: It was just.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it was that way because there were no distractions.
But yeah, it was just me and God. And when
I did feel some of those other souls come up,
I do wonder what was that where those family members
that had passed. I just don't know what the answer.
Speaker 1: Is to that, because it might have been even more
difficult if you would have seen family members or other people,
you would have really been fighting, protesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like they get to be here. I
want to stay too. This is not fair, no fair.
Speaker 1: No fair, no fair, because that's the way life works.
Speaker 2: Yes it does.
Speaker 1: So, And what did it look like? I mean, it
was all just white light essentially, or was it like
anything else or it was just white light.
Speaker 2: It was just white light, and it was so you know,
to have that tone of white almost seems like it
would need to be foggy. But it wasn't foggy. It
was a clear white light that was all around me,
and so it it it held that space. It kind
of held my soul, I guess you could say. But
that was all that I saw there.
Speaker 1: Now, when you came back, as every near death experience
I've ever spoken to, you come back changed. You definitely
come back a different person than you walked in to
wherever you walked into I wanted to ask you, how
did you personally deal with it psychologically with the limited
machinery that we have down here to process these things.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been journey, and it's a journey that
still continues. It's coming up on fifteen years. It'll be
fifteen years in August, and I just a few days
ago had a big light bulb aha moment. So it
is continuing to unfold for me. But right when I
came back, I was not equipped. You know, I did
not have any tools to deal with that. I had
no understanding really of even what a near death experience was.
I had heard of it, but I thought it was
people who had a brush with death. I honestly didn't
know it was an actual thing that was being studied.
That just wasn't a part of my learning throughout the
course of my life. And so when I came back,
I knew for a fact, there was no question. I
knew that I died, and I knew that I had
gone into a white light that I believed with God
that loved me, but I didn't have anybody to talk
to about it. I mentioned it to a couple of people,
and those were the two people that were actually standing
there when I did die, and so they couldn't hear it.
They just they wanted to move on from that portion
of what had happened. And I really think they were
I mean, they must have been completely traumatized to stand
there and watch that and then I so I kind
of those were the two people, honestly that I trusted
the most with that information, and when they didn't receive it, well,
I gave up for a little while and trying to
talk to anybody about it. And I remember after my
second surgery I mentioned it to my surgeon at a
follow up Doctor's bad idea, bad idea science guy. He
did not want to hear it, and he actually laughed,
he chuckled about it, and so that just shut it down.
I just shut it down. And I really was pretty
sick for a good three months after my ND and
so I had a lot of time to sit with
it just on my own, because I was so sick
that I was. If I wasn't in the hospital, I
was expected to be in bed or on the couch,
and so I had a lot of time on my
own to think about and try to process and integrate.
And I was. I was going back a lot during
those few months, and then I would come back in
and I remember some people saying, don't you want to
watch TV or get me to put in a movie
for you? No, no, I don't want any kind of
distractions here. I just wanted to think about that, but
I didn't have anybody to talk. And then I started
to doubt myself, thinking well, could I have made this up?
And I was on a lot of pain medications during
that time, and I kept thinking, well, maybe once I heal,
once I'm off the pain medication, maybe it'll just seem
like it was all a dream. But then what happened
is as soon as I was off the medication, everything
else felt like a dream and the NDE felt more
real than anything else. That was very confusing. And when
I was better, I was I needed to go back
to work and start taking care of myself again, and
I couldn't. I would go. Remember my first kind of
big outing is my boyfriend and I went to a
shoe store and it was one of these warehouse places,
so it has the really high ceilings, lots of people,
and I had a full blown panic attack. I was
so sensitive because I was blown wide open during my ND.
I was so tuned in to everything and everyone. To
be in a space like that was overwhelming. And I
had a full blown panic attack, and he got me
out of there, and you know, trying to make sense
of it, we just thought, well, maybe because it's because
I've been in the house for a long time. First
time I really went out, but I would go to
the grocery store, and I was so sensitive. I was
picking up on other people's spots. I was picking up
on other people's emotions, and I had never experienced anything
at all like that before, and I didn't know what
it meant. I didn't have the tools for it, and
so I ended up staying home for about a year
and a half, almost two years. I stayed home.
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Speaker 2: It was the only place where I felt like I
could kind of manage the energy around me. But I
was scared to go out. Was scary, especially when I
didn't understand what was going on. I didn't understand. I
didn't even know what an endpath was, and so to
try to understand the sensitivities was just impossible. And even
when I would stay home, I remember a lot of
nights where I would sleep with the lights on. I
was really frightened because I could sense so much hustle
and bustler on me, even when I was at home alone.
And I we had a really bad snowstorm, and it
was one of these snowstorms where everybody stays home. You
can't get your car out of the driveway, nothing, everybody
stays home, so outside was very quiet too, and I
had started to get curious, really weirded out by a
couple things that were happening. I loved watches, and I
had a really cool watch collection. I couldn't wear my
watches anymore because every time I would wear one, it
would break, it would stop working, and then I'd try
the next watch that would stop working. And the automatic doors,
like at Target, they weren't opening for me. It was
like they didn't see me. And so we have this
huge snowstorm and it's a down it's downtime for me
to start thinking about all of this stuff and so
I started googling is what happened? And I googled something
like can you wear watches after you died? Something like that,
and that's when I started pulling up all of this
research about NDEs and the after effects of NDEs, and
when I would read the list of after effects, I
was just checking off everything as I was going down
the list. And that was a huge turning point for
me to be able to say, this is what happened
to me. I had a near death experience. It's an
nd there are PhDs that are researching this. It's I'm
not the only one that this has happened to. And
the reason I can't go out is because I have
all these increased sensitivities. So understanding it was a big
turning point for me, and I still couldn't go out
though I still couldn't find a lot of information about
how to manage the sensitivities. You know, this is before
there were amazing podcasts and YouTube channels interviewing people that
this has happened to. So I was really kind of
flailing around, but I knew I had to get my
life back again. I was still very young. I was
only thirty six at this point, and so I really
went into research mode, trying to figure out what other
people were doing, trying to figure out what researchers were
saying to do. And another huge turning point for me was,
you know, my friends were worried about me. They weren't
hearing from me anymore, they weren't seeing me anymore. And
I've always loved music, always, and one of my favorite
musicians was coming to town and my friend said, come on,
you know, let's go. They're trying to coax me out
of the house, and I said, you guys are crazy.
I can't even go to the grocery store without losing
my really feeling like I was losing my mind and
being scared to death. But you want me to go
sit in an arena with twenty thousand people. That's never
going to work. But they were convincing, and they said,
if you we just want you to show up and
if you leave thirty seconds later, we'll be proud of
you for trying. And so I reluctantly agreed to it.
One of the best decisions I've ever made because it
changed my journey. What happened was I play piano and
I play guitar, so I listened to music a little
bit different because of that, but as soon as he
started playing the guitar and singing, it was just like
it was just me and him, and I sat through
that entire concert hour and a half, two hours, whatever
it was, and when it was over, I remember thinking
to myself, how did I do that? I don't feel drained.
I don't know what anybody around me is going through.
And when I went home after that, I really kind
of meditated on that a lot, and what I came
to realize was when I came back from my MD,
I was tuned in to everything, and what I needed
to learn how to do was to tune out. And
even to this day, I'm always tuned in. So it
became a skill to tune out. And going to that
concert and really enjoying and listening to him play is
how I learned to tune out, and it's also helped
me to channel better. When I'm doing healings, I'm channeling
the person's higher self, which really takes concentration and you
really have to go blank in order to do that.
And I use the same process to channel as I
do to tune out in my everyday life. It's kind
of a weird thing when you think about it, but
it's really focus and I just started gathering up tools
like that in all of these random ways. And then
I eventually connected with doctor Janis Minor Holden, who I mean,
she's one of the leading researchers on this. She and
I live just a couple hours away from each other,
and she was very gracious and really helped me a lot.
During some of my googling, I've found a dissertation that
someone had done about how relationships change after someone has
an NDE. It's something like seventy to eighty percent of
people get a divorce. It's really high. And reading her
research really helped me to understand and formulate what had
gone on. So I was hurting for a couple of
years afterwards, and I would say, now, you know, I'm
fifteen years out from it. Now, I feel almost like
I'm in the sweet spot of it now where I've
learned how to manage a lot of the after effects
I've gone and I've healed so many of my traumas
that were unhealed that I didn't even know were there.
And now I'm in a flow, which I am loving.
Flow state is as close to being in the light
as you can get that peace. It just feels so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I agree with you one hundred percent as
as someone who gets into the floast that every once
in a while in the creative in the creative when
you're in the creative space and you're just kind of
in there, it's it's wonderful. It really is.
Speaker 2: Well, it's liberating.
Speaker 1: It's really very much so. I mean, it does sound
like you You must have thought you were going out
of your mind before you google that. I mean, you
must have just am I losing my mind?
Speaker 2: I thought I was going crazy. I really thought I
was going crazy, and I really didn't want to tell
anyone because I thought, what if they think I'm going
crazy and that could spiral, Yeah, that could spiral out
of control really quickly. At the same time, I knew
crazy things were happening, but I didn't feel crazy.
Speaker 1: You were just trying to process it. Essentially. It wasn't
like you were like you were literally losing your mind.
It was just that there's so many things happening, you
just like, I can't process this. I wasn't coming from inside,
it was coming from outside. And you were trying to
deal with what was happening coming in essentially right.
Speaker 2: Right, because I felt I felt completely bombarded by all
of these really awarenesses that I had, and it was,
I mean, it was just too much. It was too
much and and total.
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you were like you were frying
the circuits, like literally the nervous system could not deal
with what was being coming. Your CPU couldn't process this.
Essentially your mind not only wasn't it equipped for it,
it just couldn't physically process this. You just it just
was too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the body is equipped or able
to feel everything. It's definitely no, and definitely, I mean
definitely the impact on my nervous system, especially as time
went on.
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to the show again. From my perspective from talking to
so many and near death experiences, a lot of the
things that you've said are very in tuned with what
I've heard before. Yours is interesting because your after effects
were heightened to a very high level. I've heard of
other and I've heard of other people who've always had
paranormal issues or psychic abilities or things were dormant, and
they're like I always saw, I saw Grandpa at the
edge of my bed when I was five. You had
none of this and you had no training whatsoever. Your
family wasn't into this stuff. So you truly were, you know,
out at sea without a paddle, like you were just
floating out there. And then all of this stuff happened
and you just again the word process is the is
the thing psychologically and physically process what was happening to you.
It's it's a pretty interesting thing. So okay, so we've
we've gone through the dark night of the soul, if
you will. You've kind of gone through, you know, the battle.
You've come out on the other side. Now what are
you doing with these abilities? Now? What what is the
work you're doing to help the world at this point?
Speaker 2: I do energy work. I'm full a full time healer,
and I part of what I see is I see
everyone's potential, which is really you know, the true self,
your original print before life and trauma conditioning and all
that happened. And I take you from here to there,
and it's all with energy work, and you know, talking
about spiritual ideas and principles and working through traumas, healing
traumas to connect this gap so everybody can feel flow
state really all the time and feel almost like they're
in a meditative state all the time and to feel
that peace. And I am grateful that the sensitivity is
so pronounced, because I don't think I could do this
work without it. And I'm also very grateful that I've
learned that when I'm off the clock or when I'm
busy doing something with my daughter or trying to do,
you know, really human things that I can tune in
out now.
Speaker 1: But I no, I was gonna say, I was going
to say, it just reminds me of you know, not
to make this juvenile, but it reminds me of a
superhero who all of a sudden has these new abilities
that have to deal with and how to control them
because if not, it could destroy them. It really could
literally destroy them. And again, not trying to compare you
to a Marvel superhero by any stretch to the imagination now,
but that but that, but that kind of analogy, it
kind of makes sense because I mean, I've seen enough
movies in my day that there are these when they
have abilities that just can't deal with it. Just if
they don't learn how to hone them, it could be
very detrimental to the person who has them correct.
Speaker 2: It take you down, It could take you down very quickly. Yeah,
if I I'm very fortunate to have a curious personality
and so I had the motivation into Google and otherwise
if I had just sat there, I mean, who knows
what would have happened to me. But yeah, it's and
it is a different lifestyle too. I wouldn't say it's
a normal way of living. It is a more solitary lifestyle.
I need a great deal of quiet in my world. Two,
stay sane. And you know, I've had to adjust my
life too, And it's I've fought that for a while,
but I'm good with it now. But it's yeah, it's
it's a whole new way of doing things that needed
a massive amount of adjusting.
Speaker 1: What is the biggest takeaway you had from this near
death experience?
Speaker 2: There are two. I would say the biggest takeaway is
the amount of love that is there for us. We
are so loved and we are seen. You know, I
wasn't just I realized I wasn't just seen during my nde,
I've been seen my whole life, and I was loved
my whole life too, and so we are all loved
that way, and we are all seen for who we
are and what we're doing, for better or for worse
in that moment. And it's just deep, true, unconditional love.
And the second biggest takeaway is, and this one's layered,
that piece is available to us. We just have to
get there. And that's you know, that's kind of like
what's the meaning of life. We're here to learn, We're
here to heal our traumas. We're here to strip away
or our indoctrination or conditioning that we got the first
part of our lives and return to our true selves
because that's where that piece is. And so we feel
separate from that love and from that piece, but we're not.
We're not at all separate. Just things have happened to
us that have created these blocks, and so it's there.
It's just journeying, you know, healing and journeying to return
to that.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all
my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2: The more we can be in our joy and the
more we find ourselves playing. You know, that's an interesting response.
I wasn't expecting that. When to come through, the more
you feel that you have time for play and for fun.
And I really do think that we were meant to
come here to enjoy life. And there will be challenges,
and there are. I mean, the world's a crazy place,
especially right now. But when we find those times to
play and to do what excites us and do what
brings us joy, that's truly our purpose. And I think
that's how we will find the fullness in life and
have that feeling of I feel pretty good. I feel
pretty whole, even in this body and having this human experience.
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go on a time
machine and go back in time and talk to the
little girl that used to be you, what advice would
you give her.
Speaker 2: Alex, you're gonna make me cry.
Speaker 1: I would go back, take a minute.
Speaker 2: It's okay, that's an intense question.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to break you down.
Speaker 2: No, I love it. It could be a drinking game of
every time Jane cries during an interview, I really could
turn it could become a drinking game. Okay, Well, that
question makes me very emotional. I would go back to
that little girl, to little me, to young me, and
I would tell her everything is going to be okay,
everything is going to work out. You go do you,
you go play, you have fun, be true to yourself.
Don't listen to what other people think, because that says
more about them than it does about you. And I
would just I would tell her everything is happening for
a reason and everything's going to be fine.
Speaker 1: To make me cry now, for God's sake?
Speaker 2: Uh, what would can I ask you? What would you
go tell young Alex?
Speaker 1: Oh God, why this is? This is my show?
Speaker 2: Darn it? Turn it around your own medicine.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you. I mean I've asked that
question a ton of times, and I've been thinking about
that more and more lately, believe it or not. But
to go back to my young self, I think everything's
going to be okay. Man, Just hang in there. Understand it.
Everything that happens to you, is it happened to you
for a purpose. It is not happening to you. It's
happening for you. You are loved. When you meet that
mobster at twenty six, be careful us at us another
story altogether. It's going to be a long ride, but
it's going to be one hell of a ride. And
enjoy yourself. And man, don't take yourself so seriously.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, God, don't.
Speaker 1: Take yourself so seriously. And don't worry about the this
just the mundane, stupid things of everyday life. Don't worry
so much. No one cares. In a hundred years, no
one's going to remember that mistake or that thing that
you think was a mistake, or that no one cares.
No one's watching, everyone's dealing with their own crap. We'll
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show.
Speaker 2: Everyone is And I think I love what you said
about things aren't happening to you, they're happening for you,
because that is such a true statement, and when you're
in it, it doesn't always feel that way, but that
is such a true statement. And we are all exactly
where we're supposed to be, no matter what age we've been.
But you know, the young, the young parts of us
had to care about what other people thought.
Speaker 1: From the process as part of the process. Oh god,
it is. But man, I always love saying this to people,
like imagine if you and I went back and we
were like twenty with our brains today, the damage we
could do in.
Speaker 2: This world, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Well, and young people today they get it much more
than we did, that's for sure. Oh, they get it,
and they are interested in all of this. And I
don't know that they have a lot of adults around
them to help them put shape to all of this.
But yeah, that they're they're on another level than we were,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1: They come program from the factory a little bit different
than you and I did.
Speaker 2: Definitely, it's just a.
Speaker 1: It's a different thing. But they're coming to keep the
evolution of humanity going. If another generation like ours or
our parents would come in, it just wouldn't move. So
there has to be something coming in behind us that's
a little bit more ready, more evolved innately in their
career and their experience as a soul coming into this
existence or in this incarnation to be able to keep
moving things forward. Just like we are definitely not our parents,
our parents are definitely not their parents. Generation by generation,
things are moving forward and moving forward, sometimes more painful
than others to move forward. But I think I have kids,
so I understand. They look they look at like, you
want me to work. How grandpa did what in a
factory and he made how much? And like? And then
for forty years it just didn't It doesn't completely doesn't
compute to them. They just don't even understand how that's
even a thing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't register at all. And they really understand nonduality.
I don't know if they know that they understand nonduality,
but they really feel it. And it'll be interesting to
see how that shakes out. But our generation, we you know,
a lot of us I see this. You know, calm
is a common thread with healing work. Are a lot
of us are breaking those generational trauma cycles, which is
a hard job and to you know, draw that line
in the sand and say it stops here, and that
will benefit our children. But it is hard work, and
we're kind of you know, we're building this road from
here to here, and that's dirty work. You know, you
show up to work with your imagine if you're building
a literal road. You show up to work and your
clothes are clean and you're freshly showered. At the end
of the day, your clothes are a mess, you're sweaty,
all bad that's what we are doing. And that's okay
because I'm happy to build this participate in building this
road for our kids and their kids to just glide
down hopefully. Well.
Speaker 1: I always call our generation the bridge generation, Yeah, because
we are a bridge between the old and the new,
because we understand the old because we came from it.
We also understand the new because we were right there
when things started to change in the late nineties and
early two thousands with the Internet and technology and all
that stuff, and even ideas and concepts changed with our generation.
So it is. It is not easy work. It is
dirty work, but we all asked for it. If you're
in this generation, you came down, you signed.
Speaker 2: Up for this the contract, and here we are, so
might as well do the best job we can.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, how do you define God?
Speaker 2: God is love? God is love and that light that's
where we all came from. I mean, it's truly source.
It's where we all came from, and it's where we'll
circle back to and then maybe even make a few
more circles again. But yeah, God is love and caring
and safety. Safety. I don't know that a lot of
us were raised to believe that though, but I do
believe there's a lot of safety there.
Speaker 1: We were raised with a lot of judgment. Yeah, that
we were going to be judged, at least in the
Christian faith, but in other faiths as well. There is
a lot of judgment. And finally, what is the ultimate
purpose of life?
Speaker 2: To return to true you and to experience the joy
and the fullness of that and to buy doing that
model for other people? How to do it so they
can see and they see the results?
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing.
Speaker 2: My website is safe Hands Healing dot com. Got a
lot of different resources there. I try to have something
to fit all the different personalities and there's a lot
there to look through.
Speaker 1: And do you have any party messages for the audience?
Speaker 2: I guess I would like to tell everyone the same
thing I would have told Little Jane's just everything's going
to be okay, and don't let the judgment seek seep
in and keep doing the work, keep plugging along and
take breaks. Take breaks that you know, the healing journey
it can be really intense and you need to take
a break to integrate that healing work that you just
did and to have some fun and to have, you know,
some lightness and some to enjoy life again. So I
think that's important for people to hear. And also this
has been coming up a lot lately. I'd like people
to know that as you evolve and you go on
this spiritual journey, your habits change and your way of
healing changes. And when you first start out, we're like
these kids in a candy shop and we want to
read this and gather that info and try this. And
you know, you're gathering all the tools and you're doing
the research and you're learning, and you're seeing what resonates
with you and what doesn't, what works for you and
what doesn't. And then there does come a point where
you don't have to keep doing that. And I don't
know that we hear that a lot from healers or
really from anyone. There is a time where you can
relax in all of that and you don't have to
keep filling your brain with all of these things. There
is a time where you just know, pick up your
toolbox of everything you've collected, and then you move on
to what's next. And I think if we stay in
research mode for a long time, we don't get to
experience the beauty of flow, and then sometimes you go
back to research mode. It's just it's a cycle. But
I want people to know they can take those breaks,
especially if you feel like you're spinning your wheels. That's
an indicator it's time to take a little bit of
a breather.
Speaker 1: Jane, thank you so much for this conversation, and I
hope it helps somebody or many people around the world.
My dear, I appreciate you. Thank you, Alex, thank you
for spending this sacred time with us today. If you
feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the
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