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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to

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welcome to the show Jane Thompson. Hey doing, Jane, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Alex, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing very good. Thank you so much for coming

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on your show. I appreciate you coming on to tell

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your unique story of your life's journey so far, which

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has had a couple of ups and downs, let's say,

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throughout it. So my first question is what is your

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life like or what was your life like prior to

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having your near death experience.

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Speaker 2: Well, my nd I had just turned thirty four, so

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I had sometime as an adult. I was very much

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into career. That was my main focus. I was a

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real estate agent, which is a seven day a week job.

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It's you know, from the minute you wake up to

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the minute you go to bed, and you're on all

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the time. And I enjoyed it. I liked the challenges

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of it. I liked the movement of it. And this

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was in two thousand and eight, so the market was

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not great, so it was a very competitive environment, which

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I liked, and it was cutthroat, which I didn't like.

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But I felt like I was willing to put in

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whatever effort I needed to move forward in a really

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ethical way. But work got most of my attention. And

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I had a really serious boyfriend and we were, you know,

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talking about marriage and getting closer and closer to that.

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So relationship wise, things were good. I was happy with

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him and he was very into work, so we gave

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each other this space to do that, and I, you know,

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probably on the surface, everything looked really great, and I

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probably would have told you that I was happy, but

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there was still that part of me, even before my ND,

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where it felt a little bit empty and kind of

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like that feeling of this is it. It just didn't feel

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full to me. And I was doing what I thought

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would bring happiness, kind of you know, you go to school,

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you get a job, you are successful, you fall in love.

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But as I would check off each box, it wasn't

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really fulfilling me in a deep way. And I knew

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I had trauma and things that needed healing, and so

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I would go to therapy and spirituality was always very

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interesting to me, and I dove into different areas, but

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nothing really stuck or nothing really resonated, although I did

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have what I would say are Christian beliefs, so I

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was just really plugging along and I didn't know any better.

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Now that I look back, I think, oh, that didn't

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seem too great, But at the time, I thought, you know,

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this is pretty good, and I've got a good.

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Speaker 1: Life, right, So there wasn't any major struggles or issues.

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You were just kind of coasting, essentially doing well, doing well,

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and just on the outside, at least on.

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Speaker 2: The outside, right right, and doing well for the most

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part on the inside. But there was that emptiness that

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always lingered, even from when I was little, when I

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was a small girl, I even remember that being there.

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Speaker 1: So what happened on the day that you had your

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near death experience?

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Speaker 2: The big day, the day that changed everything. It was

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August twenty second, two thousand and eight. My near death

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experience happened in the emergency room, so we got the

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exact time. It was at one twenty pm that day.

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The night before, I hadn't been feeling really well and

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I went to bed early, and when I woke up

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the next morning, I was hot, I was sweating, I

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was burning up hot, but I still had the comforter

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the covers over me, and when I moved to try

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to take the blankets off, I couldn't move my body,

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and when I would try to, I was experiencing excruciating pain.

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It was the type of pain that you get those

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all over body aches that you get when you have

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the flu, except it was like a thousand times worse,

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more intense than that, and I was fading in and out.

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just starting to come up, so my bedroom was just

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starting to light up, and each time I would open

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my eyes, I could see that it was brighter, so

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which is so interesting looking back, because my habit at

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that time was to plug my phone in before bed

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in the living room, but something that night before I

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just brought it into my room, and thank goodness that

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I did, because I finally got enough energy or strength

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to get the blankets off of me. I reached for

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the phone and I called a family member and I said,

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something's wrong. I feel awful. I'm in pain. I'm burning up.

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I need to go to the doctor. And she said, okay,

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let me get dressed. I'll be right over. And I

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don't remember anything until she came to the house to

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pick me up. I was just completely it's just blackout

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for me. And we first went to the hospital. She

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saw what I looked like, so we went to the

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hospital instead of trying to get to the doctor. The

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first hospital that I went to was the one closest

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to my house, and they did an MRI, but it

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came back inconclusive, so they sent me to a different hospital.

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By the time I got there, I was I was hurting.

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I couldn't hold up my head. They had me in

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a wheelchair to get me into the er. My head

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was just hanging and I was really I mean, I

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could feel myself dying. At that point, I knew my

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body was quitting. And as I was waiting for the

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CT scan there, everything around me became very amplified. The

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lights in the hospital are pretty harsh anyway, those fluorescent lights,

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but boy, were they beating down on me at that point.

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room down the hall, and it sounded like they were screaming.

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those kids are so loud, and she said, they're really

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actually being pretty good, And it just everything was so amplified.

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Even the clock that was on the wall the second hand,

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as it was ticking, I could hear it loudly. And

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they came and got me for the CT scan. At

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this point, they suspected kidney stones, so they needed to

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get the IVY in before they could do the scan,

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a special type of scan that they wanted to do.

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and they weren't letting me drink or eat anything. They

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couldn't get a vein in my arm to put the

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IVY in, and I was lying there on the you know,

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the mattress that they slide you into the CT tunnel with.

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And I was lying there, and I remember that's when

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I started trying to leave my body. That's when it

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wasn't just blacking out because I was sick or in pain.

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I was I could feel myself trying to leave my body,

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and every time the nurse would poke my arm to

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try to get a vein, it would pull me back in.

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Speaker 2: And I was a little mad about it. I wanted

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to leave. I knew what was taking place, and I

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told the nurse, I said, just get the needle in,

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because I either wanted to be in or I wanted

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to be out. And so he got the needle in,

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went in for my CT and I don't remember any

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of that. I remember afterwards being taken to the area

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in the er where I was going to wait for

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the doctor to see what to do next. I hadn't

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had any pain medication at this time. I was completely

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worn out. My temperature was one hundred and six degrees

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and I was fading really fast. I remember feeling like

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or I remember having this thought of I can't take

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this pain anymore. I can't take any more of this pain.

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And right at that moment, I closed my eyes and

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I was burning up from the fever, and I started

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getting very cold all at the same time, and I

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started convulsing. I could feel my body shaking all over

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my head. There was so much pressure in my head.

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I could feel the veins popping in my head, and

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again I had that thought of I can't take this anymore.

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disconnected from the external world. I in a way disconnected

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from my body. I definitely disconnected from the pain. At

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that point the sensations and I started looking around inside

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of my I was being shown almost like a movie

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that you would see in health class, maybe in middle

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school or high school, of the blood pumping, and I

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could see that, I could see what the internal organs

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looked like, I could see cells, and it was just

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an observation. I didn't really think anything of it. I

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was just looking as I traveled. And then I had

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this knowing of I'm looking at a dying body, that

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I'm dying, And it wasn't so much a thought as

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it was just a knowing of I'm dying, and oh

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my gosh, this is what it feels like to die.

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that knowing. You would think I would have, but I

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had no emotion around it. And right at that moment,

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I popped out of my body. It was very quick,

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It was a split second, and I was up on

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the ceiling looking down at the scene below me, and

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I could see my body lying there on the gurney,

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but I felt myself up here on the ceiling and

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it didn't make sense. So I needed a moment to

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orient to what was going on. And the more that

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I realized that the real meat I was up on

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the ceiling, I looked down at that body and I

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realized that that's the shell of me. I didn't see

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any life in that body anymore. And I saw the

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scene around me, Doctors, nurses, the couple of people there

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that I knew that were watching everything that was happening.

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And I was just taking it all in, looking around, observing,

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and all of a sudden, I began very gently, very

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slowly floating up, and I was backwards because I was

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still looking down. I was very very very gently floating

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backwards and up, and the walls of the hospital started

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to disappear. The machines that I was hooked up to

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were disappearing, the bodies were no longer visible. What I

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was now looking down at where these little balls of

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white light, which that was everybody's soul. I was seeing

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everybody's soul, and I saw how everybody was connected by

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this really thin iridescent line that looks exactly the way

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a spiderweb looks if you catch it just right in

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the sunlight. And I was just taking it all in,

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and then I had a moment where I observed that

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all these little balls of white light, all these souls

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were really bouncing around. They were really buzzing around, and

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I thought, why are they all running around like chickens

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with their heads cut off? Was the exact thought that

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I had, and there really wasn't judgment attached to that.

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It was just an observation of why is this happening?

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I don't understand from my perspective, I didn't understand that

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busyness and what looked like frantic energy. So I kept

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floating backwards, and then I was really in what I

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think was the in between space for a little while.

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The void, it was very black, It was very quick.

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I got the feeling I wouldn't have wanted to have

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stayed there for a long time. And then I very

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quickly got sucked into a tunnel. And the tunnel was

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very black but not scary at all, and I was

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moving through it like I was on a ride at

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the amusement park, having the time of my life. It

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was fast, it was fun, it was thrilling, It was exciting,

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and that was also very quick moving through the tunnel,

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and then I immediately plopped right out of the tunnel

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and I was in this beautiful, brilliant, clear white light,

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and there was such a contrast from the tunnel. The

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tunnel was black and fast, and the white light was

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bright and it was very calm, and so I needed

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a second there to orient to this change as well.

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And as soon as I settled in there, the first

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thing I immediately felt was the deepest peace that I've

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ever felt in my life, just an overwhelming sense of peace,

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and it felt safe and warm, and I felt very loved.

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I felt very comfortable, I felt very cared for in

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that space. And as I was feeling the peace, then

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I started really feeling the love that really started getting

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soaked up, and it was, you know, truly unconditional love.

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I felt very seen when I was in the light.

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I felt very seen for all parts of me, and

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very accepted. And then more safety comes in. When you

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feel seen and you feel accepted and loved, more safety

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settles in. And I was just taking it all and

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it felt so good, it felt very replenishing, and I

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started noticing I knew that my body wasn't there, but

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I could still feel me in a sense, you know,

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those parts my soul, that the part that's uniquely me.

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And I started noticing that there were holes that were

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being filled in, and I started feeling more and more

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complete as the holes were being filled in, and I

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had this understanding that it was wounding that was being healed.

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I was getting a healing. I was getting a huge, deep,

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profound healing, and I was noticing how it was all

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taking place, and it was very gentle, very loving, very

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caring and understanding. And the more the holes were filled in,

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the more I felt almost as if I was blending

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with the white light, but I was still also my

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own unique vibration, my own unique self. And then with

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that blending, then I started to realize that this white light,

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this beautiful white light, it's also me. I just had

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that understanding that I'm not separate from it. It's me.

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I'm part of all this vastness, this beauty that I'm

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taking in, and I was loving every minute of it.

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And I then at that point started to notice that

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it wasn't just me that was there. I felt almost

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like a crowd around me, but a really comfortable crowd,

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and I realized it was other souls that were there

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with me. And I didn't have really a lot of

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time to understand that, because right at that moment I

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heard it was an inaudible voice that I heard you

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have to go back. Wow. And that was I mean,

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that's like a it was like a gut punch. That

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was the last thing I wanted to hear because I

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was so much in that moment. I was so present

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for that moment.

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: It felt so good that I wasn't thinking about anything

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else but that, and so to hear you have to

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go back, I did not want to hear that at all.

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And I started to protest. I said, no, no, no, no, no,

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I don't want to go back. Please don't make me

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go back. And then I heard it again, you need

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to go back, and I knew. I knew that's what

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was going to happen. I protested a little more, though,

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and right then I felt myself go backwards into the

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tunnel quickly and then quickly right back into my body

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and through the top of my head. It was like

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I got sucked back into my body and I had

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a little bit of the pain come back. I experienced

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the pain just for a brief second, and it was

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enough for me to know, Okay, I'm back in my body,

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I'm back in this world. Here I am. And then

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it was total blackout till much later that evening when

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I went into pre opt to prepare for what would

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be my first surgery to get well again.

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Speaker 1: So when you went into your first surgery or any

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of your surgeries, did you go back by any chance

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or that was it?

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Speaker 2: No? I did not go back. I had a brief

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out of body experience during the first surgery that night

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where I popped out quickly looked down, I saw the

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sea of you know, that bluish green scrub color, and

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then I popped back in and then that was it.

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Speaker 1: That was it, just a little quick how you do exactly?

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Speaker 2: Oh? There I am? What are they doing? What is it?

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Speaker 1: Good? Solid? All right, I'm gonna get back in there.

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So when you were on the other side, did you

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were there any guides? Were there any you know, relatives,

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was you know, was there a deity anything like that

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show up?

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Speaker 2: It was just me and God and it was beautiful

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to have that. I get so emotional still to have that,

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you know, direct interaction.

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Speaker 1: It was just.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad it was that way because there were no distractions.

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But yeah, it was just me and God. And when

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I did feel some of those other souls come up,

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I do wonder what was that where those family members

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that had passed. I just don't know what the answer.

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Speaker 1: Is to that, because it might have been even more

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difficult if you would have seen family members or other people,

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you would have really been fighting, protesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like they get to be here. I

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want to stay too. This is not fair, no fair.

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Speaker 1: No fair, no fair, because that's the way life works.

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Speaker 2: Yes it does.

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Speaker 1: So, And what did it look like? I mean, it

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was all just white light essentially, or was it like

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anything else or it was just white light.

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Speaker 2: It was just white light, and it was so you know,

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to have that tone of white almost seems like it

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would need to be foggy. But it wasn't foggy. It

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was a clear white light that was all around me,

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and so it it it held that space. It kind

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of held my soul, I guess you could say. But

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that was all that I saw there.

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Speaker 1: Now, when you came back, as every near death experience

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I've ever spoken to, you come back changed. You definitely

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come back a different person than you walked in to

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wherever you walked into I wanted to ask you, how

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did you personally deal with it psychologically with the limited

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machinery that we have down here to process these things.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been journey, and it's a journey that

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still continues. It's coming up on fifteen years. It'll be

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fifteen years in August, and I just a few days

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ago had a big light bulb aha moment. So it

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is continuing to unfold for me. But right when I

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came back, I was not equipped. You know, I did

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not have any tools to deal with that. I had

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no understanding really of even what a near death experience was.

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I had heard of it, but I thought it was

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people who had a brush with death. I honestly didn't

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know it was an actual thing that was being studied.

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That just wasn't a part of my learning throughout the

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course of my life. And so when I came back,

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I knew for a fact, there was no question. I

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knew that I died, and I knew that I had

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gone into a white light that I believed with God

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that loved me, but I didn't have anybody to talk

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to about it. I mentioned it to a couple of people,

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and those were the two people that were actually standing

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there when I did die, and so they couldn't hear it.

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They just they wanted to move on from that portion

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of what had happened. And I really think they were

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I mean, they must have been completely traumatized to stand

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there and watch that and then I so I kind

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of those were the two people, honestly that I trusted

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the most with that information, and when they didn't receive it, well,

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I gave up for a little while and trying to

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talk to anybody about it. And I remember after my

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second surgery I mentioned it to my surgeon at a

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follow up Doctor's bad idea, bad idea science guy. He

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did not want to hear it, and he actually laughed,

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he chuckled about it, and so that just shut it down.

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I just shut it down. And I really was pretty

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sick for a good three months after my ND and

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so I had a lot of time to sit with

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it just on my own, because I was so sick

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that I was. If I wasn't in the hospital, I

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was expected to be in bed or on the couch,

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and so I had a lot of time on my

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own to think about and try to process and integrate.

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And I was. I was going back a lot during

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those few months, and then I would come back in

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and I remember some people saying, don't you want to

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watch TV or get me to put in a movie

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for you? No, no, I don't want any kind of

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distractions here. I just wanted to think about that, but

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I didn't have anybody to talk. And then I started

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to doubt myself, thinking well, could I have made this up?

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And I was on a lot of pain medications during

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that time, and I kept thinking, well, maybe once I heal,

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once I'm off the pain medication, maybe it'll just seem

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like it was all a dream. But then what happened

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is as soon as I was off the medication, everything

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else felt like a dream and the NDE felt more

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real than anything else. That was very confusing. And when

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I was better, I was I needed to go back

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to work and start taking care of myself again, and

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I couldn't. I would go. Remember my first kind of

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big outing is my boyfriend and I went to a

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shoe store and it was one of these warehouse places,

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so it has the really high ceilings, lots of people,

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and I had a full blown panic attack. I was

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so sensitive because I was blown wide open during my ND.

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I was so tuned in to everything and everyone. To

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be in a space like that was overwhelming. And I

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had a full blown panic attack, and he got me

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out of there, and you know, trying to make sense

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of it, we just thought, well, maybe because it's because

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I've been in the house for a long time. First

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time I really went out, but I would go to

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the grocery store, and I was so sensitive. I was

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picking up on other people's spots. I was picking up

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on other people's emotions, and I had never experienced anything

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at all like that before, and I didn't know what

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it meant. I didn't have the tools for it, and

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so I ended up staying home for about a year

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and a half, almost two years. I stayed home.

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Speaker 1: And we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: It was the only place where I felt like I

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could kind of manage the energy around me. But I

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was scared to go out. Was scary, especially when I

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didn't understand what was going on. I didn't understand. I

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didn't even know what an endpath was, and so to

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try to understand the sensitivities was just impossible. And even

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when I would stay home, I remember a lot of

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nights where I would sleep with the lights on. I

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was really frightened because I could sense so much hustle

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and bustler on me, even when I was at home alone.

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And I we had a really bad snowstorm, and it

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was one of these snowstorms where everybody stays home. You

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can't get your car out of the driveway, nothing, everybody

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stays home, so outside was very quiet too, and I

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had started to get curious, really weirded out by a

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couple things that were happening. I loved watches, and I

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had a really cool watch collection. I couldn't wear my

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watches anymore because every time I would wear one, it

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would break, it would stop working, and then I'd try

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the next watch that would stop working. And the automatic doors,

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like at Target, they weren't opening for me. It was

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like they didn't see me. And so we have this

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huge snowstorm and it's a down it's downtime for me

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to start thinking about all of this stuff and so

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I started googling is what happened? And I googled something

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like can you wear watches after you died? Something like that,

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and that's when I started pulling up all of this

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research about NDEs and the after effects of NDEs, and

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when I would read the list of after effects, I

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was just checking off everything as I was going down

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the list. And that was a huge turning point for

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me to be able to say, this is what happened

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to me. I had a near death experience. It's an

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nd there are PhDs that are researching this. It's I'm

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not the only one that this has happened to. And

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the reason I can't go out is because I have

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all these increased sensitivities. So understanding it was a big

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turning point for me, and I still couldn't go out

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though I still couldn't find a lot of information about

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how to manage the sensitivities. You know, this is before

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there were amazing podcasts and YouTube channels interviewing people that

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this has happened to. So I was really kind of

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flailing around, but I knew I had to get my

479
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,720
life back again. I was still very young. I was

480
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,200
only thirty six at this point, and so I really

481
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,119
went into research mode, trying to figure out what other

482
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,119
people were doing, trying to figure out what researchers were

483
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,960
saying to do. And another huge turning point for me was,

484
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,079
you know, my friends were worried about me. They weren't

485
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:51,000
hearing from me anymore, they weren't seeing me anymore. And

486
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,559
I've always loved music, always, and one of my favorite

487
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,920
musicians was coming to town and my friend said, come on,

488
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,279
you know, let's go. They're trying to coax me out

489
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,519
of the house, and I said, you guys are crazy.

490
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:10,800
I can't even go to the grocery store without losing

491
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,880
my really feeling like I was losing my mind and

492
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,719
being scared to death. But you want me to go

493
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,039
sit in an arena with twenty thousand people. That's never

494
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:26,360
going to work. But they were convincing, and they said,

495
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,519
if you we just want you to show up and

496
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,519
if you leave thirty seconds later, we'll be proud of

497
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,360
you for trying. And so I reluctantly agreed to it.

498
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,400
One of the best decisions I've ever made because it

499
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,400
changed my journey. What happened was I play piano and

500
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,960
I play guitar, so I listened to music a little

501
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,159
bit different because of that, but as soon as he

502
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,960
started playing the guitar and singing, it was just like

503
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:02,360
it was just me and him, and I sat through

504
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,920
that entire concert hour and a half, two hours, whatever

505
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,639
it was, and when it was over, I remember thinking

506
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:17,079
to myself, how did I do that? I don't feel drained.

507
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,239
I don't know what anybody around me is going through.

508
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:27,079
And when I went home after that, I really kind

509
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,679
of meditated on that a lot, and what I came

510
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,880
to realize was when I came back from my MD,

511
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:40,039
I was tuned in to everything, and what I needed

512
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:44,360
to learn how to do was to tune out. And

513
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,039
even to this day, I'm always tuned in. So it

514
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:56,519
became a skill to tune out. And going to that

515
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:03,880
concert and really enjoying and listening to him play is

516
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:10,320
how I learned to tune out, and it's also helped

517
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:17,679
me to channel better. When I'm doing healings, I'm channeling

518
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:23,840
the person's higher self, which really takes concentration and you

519
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,840
really have to go blank in order to do that.

520
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:33,519
And I use the same process to channel as I

521
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,920
do to tune out in my everyday life. It's kind

522
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,960
of a weird thing when you think about it, but

523
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:44,360
it's really focus and I just started gathering up tools

524
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,800
like that in all of these random ways. And then

525
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:56,480
I eventually connected with doctor Janis Minor Holden, who I mean,

526
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,960
she's one of the leading researchers on this. She and

527
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,079
I live just a couple hours away from each other,

528
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:08,519
and she was very gracious and really helped me a lot.

529
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:12,960
During some of my googling, I've found a dissertation that

530
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:17,760
someone had done about how relationships change after someone has

531
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,519
an NDE. It's something like seventy to eighty percent of

532
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:24,159
people get a divorce. It's really high. And reading her

533
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,599
research really helped me to understand and formulate what had

534
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:35,119
gone on. So I was hurting for a couple of

535
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,280
years afterwards, and I would say, now, you know, I'm

536
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:46,519
fifteen years out from it. Now, I feel almost like

537
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,000
I'm in the sweet spot of it now where I've

538
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,960
learned how to manage a lot of the after effects

539
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,840
I've gone and I've healed so many of my traumas

540
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880
that were unhealed that I didn't even know were there.

541
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,519
And now I'm in a flow, which I am loving.

542
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,679
Flow state is as close to being in the light

543
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,039
as you can get that peace. It just feels so good.

544
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I agree with you one hundred percent as

545
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,559
as someone who gets into the floast that every once

546
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,679
in a while in the creative in the creative when

547
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,079
you're in the creative space and you're just kind of

548
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,719
in there, it's it's wonderful. It really is.

549
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's liberating.

550
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,159
Speaker 1: It's really very much so. I mean, it does sound

551
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:34,159
like you You must have thought you were going out

552
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:36,760
of your mind before you google that. I mean, you

553
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,960
must have just am I losing my mind?

554
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: I thought I was going crazy. I really thought I

555
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,679
was going crazy, and I really didn't want to tell

556
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,440
anyone because I thought, what if they think I'm going

557
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:52,159
crazy and that could spiral, Yeah, that could spiral out

558
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,840
of control really quickly. At the same time, I knew

559
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,280
crazy things were happening, but I didn't feel crazy.

560
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,039
Speaker 1: You were just trying to process it. Essentially. It wasn't

561
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,719
like you were like you were literally losing your mind.

562
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,880
It was just that there's so many things happening, you

563
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,760
just like, I can't process this. I wasn't coming from inside,

564
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,039
it was coming from outside. And you were trying to

565
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,639
deal with what was happening coming in essentially right.

566
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,599
Speaker 2: Right, because I felt I felt completely bombarded by all

567
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:32,400
of these really awarenesses that I had, and it was,

568
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,559
I mean, it was just too much. It was too

569
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,480
much and and total.

570
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you were like you were frying

571
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,519
the circuits, like literally the nervous system could not deal

572
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,199
with what was being coming. Your CPU couldn't process this.

573
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,679
Essentially your mind not only wasn't it equipped for it,

574
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,719
it just couldn't physically process this. You just it just

575
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:57,440
was too much.

576
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the body is equipped or able

577
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:09,239
to feel everything. It's definitely no, and definitely, I mean

578
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,599
definitely the impact on my nervous system, especially as time

579
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:15,079
went on.

580
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: No, but it's it's really interesting because we'll be right

581
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:26,599
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back

582
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:31,840
to the show again. From my perspective from talking to

583
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,880
so many and near death experiences, a lot of the

584
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,840
things that you've said are very in tuned with what

585
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,000
I've heard before. Yours is interesting because your after effects

586
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,440
were heightened to a very high level. I've heard of

587
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,400
other and I've heard of other people who've always had

588
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,719
paranormal issues or psychic abilities or things were dormant, and

589
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,800
they're like I always saw, I saw Grandpa at the

590
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,199
edge of my bed when I was five. You had

591
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,920
none of this and you had no training whatsoever. Your

592
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,920
family wasn't into this stuff. So you truly were, you know,

593
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,599
out at sea without a paddle, like you were just

594
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,079
floating out there. And then all of this stuff happened

595
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,239
and you just again the word process is the is

596
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:23,239
the thing psychologically and physically process what was happening to you.

597
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,360
It's it's a pretty interesting thing. So okay, so we've

598
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,000
we've gone through the dark night of the soul, if

599
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,039
you will. You've kind of gone through, you know, the battle.

600
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,199
You've come out on the other side. Now what are

601
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,719
you doing with these abilities? Now? What what is the

602
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,719
work you're doing to help the world at this point?

603
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,559
Speaker 2: I do energy work. I'm full a full time healer,

604
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,920
and I part of what I see is I see

605
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,719
everyone's potential, which is really you know, the true self,

606
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,159
your original print before life and trauma conditioning and all

607
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,079
that happened. And I take you from here to there,

608
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:15,000
and it's all with energy work, and you know, talking

609
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:21,639
about spiritual ideas and principles and working through traumas, healing

610
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:28,920
traumas to connect this gap so everybody can feel flow

611
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:32,599
state really all the time and feel almost like they're

612
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,199
in a meditative state all the time and to feel

613
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:42,599
that peace. And I am grateful that the sensitivity is

614
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,920
so pronounced, because I don't think I could do this

615
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,480
work without it. And I'm also very grateful that I've

616
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:54,159
learned that when I'm off the clock or when I'm

617
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,800
busy doing something with my daughter or trying to do,

618
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,000
you know, really human things that I can tune in

619
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:00,760
out now.

620
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,039
Speaker 1: But I no, I was gonna say, I was going

621
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,639
to say, it just reminds me of you know, not

622
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,760
to make this juvenile, but it reminds me of a

623
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,960
superhero who all of a sudden has these new abilities

624
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,239
that have to deal with and how to control them

625
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:23,000
because if not, it could destroy them. It really could

626
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,719
literally destroy them. And again, not trying to compare you

627
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,719
to a Marvel superhero by any stretch to the imagination now,

628
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,320
but that but that, but that kind of analogy, it

629
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,719
kind of makes sense because I mean, I've seen enough

630
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,000
movies in my day that there are these when they

631
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,760
have abilities that just can't deal with it. Just if

632
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,880
they don't learn how to hone them, it could be

633
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,679
very detrimental to the person who has them correct.

634
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,679
Speaker 2: It take you down, It could take you down very quickly. Yeah,

635
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,119
if I I'm very fortunate to have a curious personality

636
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,679
and so I had the motivation into Google and otherwise

637
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,840
if I had just sat there, I mean, who knows

638
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,800
what would have happened to me. But yeah, it's and

639
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,000
it is a different lifestyle too. I wouldn't say it's

640
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,000
a normal way of living. It is a more solitary lifestyle.

641
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:23,159
I need a great deal of quiet in my world. Two,

642
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,719
stay sane. And you know, I've had to adjust my

643
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440
life too, And it's I've fought that for a while,

644
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,199
but I'm good with it now. But it's yeah, it's

645
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,719
it's a whole new way of doing things that needed

646
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,679
a massive amount of adjusting.

647
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,559
Speaker 1: What is the biggest takeaway you had from this near

648
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:48,320
death experience?

649
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: There are two. I would say the biggest takeaway is

650
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:01,559
the amount of love that is there for us. We

651
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:06,559
are so loved and we are seen. You know, I

652
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:11,280
wasn't just I realized I wasn't just seen during my nde,

653
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,880
I've been seen my whole life, and I was loved

654
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,480
my whole life too, and so we are all loved

655
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,840
that way, and we are all seen for who we

656
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,960
are and what we're doing, for better or for worse

657
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:34,760
in that moment. And it's just deep, true, unconditional love.

658
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:42,920
And the second biggest takeaway is, and this one's layered,

659
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:52,599
that piece is available to us. We just have to

660
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,599
get there. And that's you know, that's kind of like

661
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,599
what's the meaning of life. We're here to learn, We're

662
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:05,800
here to heal our traumas. We're here to strip away

663
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,159
or our indoctrination or conditioning that we got the first

664
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:13,719
part of our lives and return to our true selves

665
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,039
because that's where that piece is. And so we feel

666
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,719
separate from that love and from that piece, but we're not.

667
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,440
We're not at all separate. Just things have happened to

668
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:31,719
us that have created these blocks, and so it's there.

669
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,599
It's just journeying, you know, healing and journeying to return

670
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,079
to that.

671
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all

672
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,360
my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

673
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:51,039
Speaker 2: The more we can be in our joy and the

674
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:58,880
more we find ourselves playing. You know, that's an interesting response.

675
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,599
I wasn't expecting that. When to come through, the more

676
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:07,039
you feel that you have time for play and for fun.

677
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,679
And I really do think that we were meant to

678
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,079
come here to enjoy life. And there will be challenges,

679
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,400
and there are. I mean, the world's a crazy place,

680
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:20,000
especially right now. But when we find those times to

681
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:25,280
play and to do what excites us and do what

682
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,679
brings us joy, that's truly our purpose. And I think

683
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,920
that's how we will find the fullness in life and

684
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,840
have that feeling of I feel pretty good. I feel

685
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,800
pretty whole, even in this body and having this human experience.

686
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,519
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go on a time

687
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:48,880
machine and go back in time and talk to the

688
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,280
little girl that used to be you, what advice would

689
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,000
you give her.

690
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,159
Speaker 2: Alex, you're gonna make me cry.

691
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: I would go back, take a minute.

692
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,639
Speaker 2: It's okay, that's an intense question.

693
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to break you down.

694
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:08,679
Speaker 2: No, I love it. It could be a drinking game of

695
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,199
every time Jane cries during an interview, I really could

696
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,360
turn it could become a drinking game. Okay, Well, that

697
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,800
question makes me very emotional. I would go back to

698
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,239
that little girl, to little me, to young me, and

699
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,880
I would tell her everything is going to be okay,

700
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,719
everything is going to work out. You go do you,

701
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:41,559
you go play, you have fun, be true to yourself.

702
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:45,559
Don't listen to what other people think, because that says

703
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,159
more about them than it does about you. And I

704
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:52,920
would just I would tell her everything is happening for

705
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:59,480
a reason and everything's going to be fine.

706
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: To make me cry now, for God's sake?

707
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,199
Speaker 2: Uh, what would can I ask you? What would you

708
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,440
go tell young Alex?

709
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: Oh God, why this is? This is my show?

710
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: Darn it? Turn it around your own medicine.

711
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you. I mean I've asked that

712
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:24,400
question a ton of times, and I've been thinking about

713
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,360
that more and more lately, believe it or not. But

714
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:32,960
to go back to my young self, I think everything's

715
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,559
going to be okay. Man, Just hang in there. Understand it.

716
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Everything that happens to you, is it happened to you

717
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,119
for a purpose. It is not happening to you. It's

718
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:49,639
happening for you. You are loved. When you meet that

719
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,239
mobster at twenty six, be careful us at us another

720
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,360
story altogether. It's going to be a long ride, but

721
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,559
it's going to be one hell of a ride. And

722
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,760
enjoy yourself. And man, don't take yourself so seriously.

723
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, God, don't.

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Speaker 1: Take yourself so seriously. And don't worry about the this

725
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,880
just the mundane, stupid things of everyday life. Don't worry

726
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,320
so much. No one cares. In a hundred years, no

727
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,960
one's going to remember that mistake or that thing that

728
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,760
you think was a mistake, or that no one cares.

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00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,760
No one's watching, everyone's dealing with their own crap. We'll

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be right back after a word from our sponsor, and

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now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Everyone is And I think I love what you said

733
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about things aren't happening to you, they're happening for you,

734
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because that is such a true statement, and when you're

735
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,360
in it, it doesn't always feel that way, but that

736
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,719
is such a true statement. And we are all exactly

737
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,679
where we're supposed to be, no matter what age we've been.

738
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But you know, the young, the young parts of us

739
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had to care about what other people thought.

740
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Speaker 1: From the process as part of the process. Oh god,

741
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,719
it is. But man, I always love saying this to people,

742
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,119
like imagine if you and I went back and we

743
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:28,400
were like twenty with our brains today, the damage we

744
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:28,920
could do in.

745
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Speaker 2: This world, oh my gosh.

746
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Speaker 1: Yes.

747
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Speaker 2: Well, and young people today they get it much more

748
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than we did, that's for sure. Oh, they get it,

749
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and they are interested in all of this. And I

750
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don't know that they have a lot of adults around

751
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,519
them to help them put shape to all of this.

752
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,199
But yeah, that they're they're on another level than we were,

753
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,119
that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: They come program from the factory a little bit different

755
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than you and I did.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, it's just a.

757
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Speaker 1: It's a different thing. But they're coming to keep the

758
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evolution of humanity going. If another generation like ours or

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our parents would come in, it just wouldn't move. So

760
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,400
there has to be something coming in behind us that's

761
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,559
a little bit more ready, more evolved innately in their

762
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,239
career and their experience as a soul coming into this

763
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,800
existence or in this incarnation to be able to keep

764
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moving things forward. Just like we are definitely not our parents,

765
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:37,159
our parents are definitely not their parents. Generation by generation,

766
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,800
things are moving forward and moving forward, sometimes more painful

767
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,360
than others to move forward. But I think I have kids,

768
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so I understand. They look they look at like, you

769
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,360
want me to work. How grandpa did what in a

770
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,480
factory and he made how much? And like? And then

771
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:03,239
for forty years it just didn't It doesn't completely doesn't

772
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,039
compute to them. They just don't even understand how that's

773
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:06,559
even a thing.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't register at all. And they really understand nonduality.

775
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,119
I don't know if they know that they understand nonduality,

776
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:20,920
but they really feel it. And it'll be interesting to

777
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,880
see how that shakes out. But our generation, we you know,

778
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,079
a lot of us I see this. You know, calm

779
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,320
is a common thread with healing work. Are a lot

780
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,400
of us are breaking those generational trauma cycles, which is

781
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,079
a hard job and to you know, draw that line

782
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,880
in the sand and say it stops here, and that

783
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,039
will benefit our children. But it is hard work, and

784
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:54,360
we're kind of you know, we're building this road from

785
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,079
here to here, and that's dirty work. You know, you

786
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,480
show up to work with your imagine if you're building

787
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,280
a literal road. You show up to work and your

788
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,239
clothes are clean and you're freshly showered. At the end

789
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,519
of the day, your clothes are a mess, you're sweaty,

790
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,280
all bad that's what we are doing. And that's okay

791
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,079
because I'm happy to build this participate in building this

792
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,719
road for our kids and their kids to just glide

793
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down hopefully. Well.

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Speaker 1: I always call our generation the bridge generation, Yeah, because

795
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we are a bridge between the old and the new,

796
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because we understand the old because we came from it.

797
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,760
We also understand the new because we were right there

798
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,440
when things started to change in the late nineties and

799
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,039
early two thousands with the Internet and technology and all

800
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:50,480
that stuff, and even ideas and concepts changed with our generation.

801
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,199
So it is. It is not easy work. It is

802
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,400
dirty work, but we all asked for it. If you're

803
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,679
in this generation, you came down, you signed.

804
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: Up for this the contract, and here we are, so

805
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,840
might as well do the best job we can.

806
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, how do you define God?

807
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:17,559
Speaker 2: God is love? God is love and that light that's

808
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:20,719
where we all came from. I mean, it's truly source.

809
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:26,480
It's where we all came from, and it's where we'll

810
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,320
circle back to and then maybe even make a few

811
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,199
more circles again. But yeah, God is love and caring

812
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:37,320
and safety. Safety. I don't know that a lot of

813
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,000
us were raised to believe that though, but I do

814
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believe there's a lot of safety there.

815
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Speaker 1: We were raised with a lot of judgment. Yeah, that

816
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,280
we were going to be judged, at least in the

817
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,360
Christian faith, but in other faiths as well. There is

818
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,360
a lot of judgment. And finally, what is the ultimate

819
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,159
purpose of life?

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Speaker 2: To return to true you and to experience the joy

821
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:09,599
and the fullness of that and to buy doing that

822
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,920
model for other people? How to do it so they

823
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,400
can see and they see the results?

824
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,639
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and

825
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:18,760
the amazing work you're doing.

826
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Speaker 2: My website is safe Hands Healing dot com. Got a

827
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:27,280
lot of different resources there. I try to have something

828
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,400
to fit all the different personalities and there's a lot

829
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there to look through.

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Speaker 1: And do you have any party messages for the audience?

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Speaker 2: I guess I would like to tell everyone the same

832
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:41,159
thing I would have told Little Jane's just everything's going

833
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,440
to be okay, and don't let the judgment seek seep

834
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,800
in and keep doing the work, keep plugging along and

835
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:58,039
take breaks. Take breaks that you know, the healing journey

836
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,719
it can be really intense and you need to take

837
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,320
a break to integrate that healing work that you just

838
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,079
did and to have some fun and to have, you know,

839
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,360
some lightness and some to enjoy life again. So I

840
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,960
think that's important for people to hear. And also this

841
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,320
has been coming up a lot lately. I'd like people

842
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,400
to know that as you evolve and you go on

843
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,880
this spiritual journey, your habits change and your way of

844
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,679
healing changes. And when you first start out, we're like

845
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,599
these kids in a candy shop and we want to

846
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:41,000
read this and gather that info and try this. And

847
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:44,599
you know, you're gathering all the tools and you're doing

848
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:48,440
the research and you're learning, and you're seeing what resonates

849
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:51,760
with you and what doesn't, what works for you and

850
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,880
what doesn't. And then there does come a point where

851
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,840
you don't have to keep doing that. And I don't

852
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:05,719
know that we hear that a lot from healers or

853
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,239
really from anyone. There is a time where you can

854
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,360
relax in all of that and you don't have to

855
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,840
keep filling your brain with all of these things. There

856
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,039
is a time where you just know, pick up your

857
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,800
toolbox of everything you've collected, and then you move on

858
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,599
to what's next. And I think if we stay in

859
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,159
research mode for a long time, we don't get to

860
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,159
experience the beauty of flow, and then sometimes you go

861
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,760
back to research mode. It's just it's a cycle. But

862
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,199
I want people to know they can take those breaks,

863
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,239
especially if you feel like you're spinning your wheels. That's

864
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,719
an indicator it's time to take a little bit of

865
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:46,079
a breather.

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Speaker 1: Jane, thank you so much for this conversation, and I

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hope it helps somebody or many people around the world.

868
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,760
My dear, I appreciate you. Thank you, Alex, thank you

869
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for spending this sacred time with us today. If you

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feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the

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