1
00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:07,559
Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons.

2
00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:14,000
Speaker 2: Throwing some ice, mix in some vodka. A podcast from

3
00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,640
the Mac of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven

4
00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:21,960
by Victor Chrysler Dots. Gee Ram, It's Bilified the Bill

5
00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:23,280
Moran Podcast.

6
00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,479
Speaker 3: Well, hello and welcome for take two. I recorded something

7
00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:46,679
earlier and it just I uh, after better reflection upon it,

8
00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,719
I think that it's just better to let it be. Yes,

9
00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:57,119
I apologize for to you, Danny, for all this chaos,

10
00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:05,319
and I will just say that. Boy, I don't know,

11
00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,280
I don't even know what to say. I feel like

12
00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,920
it's sometimes you know, you get three steps forward, six

13
00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,719
steps back, and that's what I feel like I did.

14
00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:18,159
And that's a tough one.

15
00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:21,000
Speaker 4: Can I tell you something from the spiritual side.

16
00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's hard to explain, but God understands well.

17
00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,840
Speaker 3: I often say this. This is my little listen my

18
00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:30,760
mantra that I will say all the time. I always

19
00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,400
say that all is well, everything is always working out

20
00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:39,719
for my highest good. Out of this situation, only good

21
00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:44,920
will come and I am safe. Yeah, and I try

22
00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:54,760
to really bind to that. I I I think that

23
00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,879
there are things that I can't really get into here.

24
00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:05,920
But sometimes it all just comes in and and the

25
00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,960
ship flies. And there have been things that residuals that

26
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,719
are done, that have been done already that I'm hearing

27
00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:17,120
from other people.

28
00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:23,319
Speaker 1: So you share a lot on this show. You don't

29
00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,039
have to share everything. No, so it's all good. Yeah,

30
00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,680
it's all good.

31
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I just you can read the bottom one

32
00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:39,360
there and that show. Yeah, okay, right right right, but

33
00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,680
but it was yeah, so yeah, so everything's like you know,

34
00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,319
and I feel like I set off a chain reaction

35
00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,680
that I didn't I didn't intend to. No. I thought

36
00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,599
I was trying to have fun in a silly situation.

37
00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,719
I thought it was a cool thing. It didn't go well.

38
00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:00,400
I know I'm talking very vaguely, and and people always wonder, but.

39
00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:03,000
Speaker 1: When the documentary comes out in twenty thirty, we'll tell

40
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:03,439
you everything.

41
00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:06,400
Speaker 3: Well, it's not even matter. I think, like you know,

42
00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,479
it would be disrespectful to people. Yes, upon further reflection

43
00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:13,280
to air what went on, and I'm trying to find

44
00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:16,800
ways to capture some stuff, and then that's it. I

45
00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,240
will say that the.

46
00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:20,000
Speaker 1: Second biggest thing we're not going to find out about

47
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:20,759
this weeding name.

48
00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:23,719
Speaker 4: What's the first etein stuff?

49
00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:31,840
Speaker 3: Oh, The thing that I can say is that maybe

50
00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:35,680
I've been under even stress with my dad. I've been

51
00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,719
worried today his surgery. He did as people I've talked

52
00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:43,000
about in the podcast anyway, he fell broke his hip

53
00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,759
in a couple places and surgery went well today, So

54
00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:50,240
hopefully he'll recover from there. And then I just, you know,

55
00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:59,080
I guess that sometimes these are good little readings on yourself.

56
00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,680
I thought I was in a better place than I

57
00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,919
guess I am. That's all I can say.

58
00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:03,800
Speaker 4: I'll say this.

59
00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,599
Speaker 3: Right when you you know I didn't handle something well

60
00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,199
and I should have.

61
00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,560
Speaker 1: I'll say this, given all you've been through in the

62
00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:13,360
last day, the last week, last month, the last few years,

63
00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:16,160
there is no person that I could if I had

64
00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,120
to have a draft for okay, who could handle all

65
00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,600
of this? And I had the first overall pick. And

66
00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,079
I know you and I have not always seen eyd

67
00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:24,680
eye over the years. There was a time where we

68
00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,360
didn't talk at all. If there was one person that

69
00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,759
I had the first overall pick to handle all this situation,

70
00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:31,839
handle it as well as they could, it would be

71
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,480
Bill Moran.

72
00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:37,079
Speaker 3: No, thank you, I don't know. I will see, by

73
00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,079
the way, Danning's hat. I didn't realize that it's the

74
00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,040
new the Newark Pilots. Yeah, I didn't know that, Like

75
00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:44,040
so I didn't know.

76
00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,959
Speaker 1: Either until about twenty seventeen. Yeah, but yeah, so you're

77
00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:49,720
in the old New York Penn League. You probably remember

78
00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:51,319
the New York Penn League growing up. It was a

79
00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:53,800
ball and double a baseball teams in New York State

80
00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,000
and Pennsylvania that.

81
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,639
Speaker 4: Would feed players to the majors.

82
00:04:57,959 --> 00:04:59,879
Speaker 1: Newark actually had a team that was i think in

83
00:04:59,879 --> 00:05:02,879
the Milwaukee Brewers or the I'm sorry, maybe the Baltimore

84
00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:04,839
Orioles system, one of the other. And there are a

85
00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:07,360
couple of guys who went who came through Newark and

86
00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:10,600
ended up playing, you know in the big same right,

87
00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:13,160
Robin Yo maybe it was yeah, Robin you hou played

88
00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,000
for them. And then a lot of guys who end

89
00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:18,839
up with the Cincinnati Reds, like Pete Rose and others

90
00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,920
played for the Geneva Red Wings.

91
00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:21,560
Speaker 4: Uh.

92
00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,319
Speaker 1: And those two teams are now part of this collegiate

93
00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,120
league where, you know, because the college teams they can't

94
00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,839
play in the summer, so they send their kids off

95
00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:33,079
to play in the Cape Cod League, yeah, or in

96
00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,040
the the n G PC the New York or the

97
00:05:35,079 --> 00:05:37,560
Perfect Game Collegiate Baseball League, which the Pilots are part of.

98
00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I had no idea that if I love

99
00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,600
the logo, Yeah, when the when? When the New York

100
00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,360
Petany called the stadium? Yeah?

101
00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Coburn Park, Okay, Coburn Park. And what's funny is

102
00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,040
that it's a it's an incredibly well manicured park. The

103
00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,480
guy who does the mound for them is actually used

104
00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,040
to be like, travel to Nolan Ryan's games and do

105
00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,480
his mound for him. Really, Nolan Ryan had a very

106
00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,160
specific way of doing things and he liked the way

107
00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:02,759
this guy did the mound. And this guy did the

108
00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,040
mount perfectly for Nolan Ryan. And he still works for

109
00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:05,920
the Newark Pilots.

110
00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,319
Speaker 4: Very sharp dude.

111
00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:08,639
Speaker 3: And he lives in Newark.

112
00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:09,800
Speaker 4: Yes, he lives in that area.

113
00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:11,920
Speaker 3: How do we get that guy on the podcast?

114
00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

115
00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,519
Speaker 3: I know, right, we get the owner.

116
00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,920
Speaker 1: The owner, Bob Oman owns the Pilots, the Geneva Red

117
00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,560
Wings and the a the Auburn Double Days. The punk

118
00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,040
that I left out about the New York Penn League

119
00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:23,959
was all the pen leagues they moved south, so they

120
00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,720
had to replace him because they only stadiums all over

121
00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:27,480
New York States and they go, Okay, what we'll do

122
00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,240
is we'll do what that Cape Cod League does, which

123
00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,439
will provide a summer wooden bat league for college players

124
00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,360
to keep their skills going in the summer.

125
00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:36,560
Speaker 4: And it plays in June and July.

126
00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:38,079
Speaker 1: So if you want to go to a Pilot's game

127
00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:40,600
or a Red Wings game, a Geneva Red Wings game,

128
00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:42,800
we got to go before the end of the end

129
00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,959
of July because in August they all go back to

130
00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:48,399
play quote unquote fall ball at their respective colleges. But

131
00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:51,199
they've they've put some great kids through the system.

132
00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm sorry that my head is distracted. Danny

133
00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,879
got to say he had a front row seat to

134
00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:05,639
things that I was. I don't even know. I'm like dizzy.

135
00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:08,720
Speaker 1: I could see that after the I can understand.

136
00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,040
Speaker 3: You know, And I hate doing that because people are

137
00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,439
gonna be like, well, what was it, what happened? Well,

138
00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:19,279
you get it, and I, uh, I can't out of respect.

139
00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:22,519
Out of respect, I can't, but I just say that

140
00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:29,879
sometimes I guess my I always say, your knee jerk

141
00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:32,879
reaction is the reaction you should have, and I did

142
00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:35,279
go with knee jerk and that was a mistake. And

143
00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,839
just I will just tell you that my life off

144
00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:44,600
the podcast is going to be bumping for a little bit, bumpy, muppy,

145
00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,360
let bumpy, more bumpy, more bumpy than than normal, not

146
00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:48,720
going on.

147
00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:49,759
Speaker 4: Yes, Bill's life.

148
00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:52,519
Speaker 3: So that that's all I can say for that. But

149
00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,120
there you go. Let me share something, Yes, please share

150
00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:56,600
something with you.

151
00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:59,879
Speaker 1: So Twitter has now become a bunch of threads since

152
00:07:59,879 --> 00:08:01,199
you line took over or x.

153
00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,240
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and I saw that down.

154
00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:06,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess apparently groc went off the rails

155
00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:10,399
yesterday and started like saying some really racist stuff.

156
00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,519
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what the specifics are.

157
00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,639
I've just avoided Grok since I heard about this.

158
00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,399
Speaker 1: But uh, Twitter has had a lot of people putting

159
00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,720
together threads and at the end of the thread they're

160
00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:24,519
they're trying to sell you something. Right, Well, here's one

161
00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:28,199
about the Rolling Stones. Oh so see if you agree

162
00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,240
because you're a Stones fan.

163
00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,120
Speaker 3: The Stone.

164
00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,200
Speaker 1: So this is a guy named Jordan Saunders who put

165
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,240
this together and he's part of a company that is

166
00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:39,000
called Netthink or next Think Labs. Okay, and that's how

167
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,759
they drive teams and cybersecurity and software. But here's what

168
00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,559
he said about The Stones. The Rolling Stones had no ceo,

169
00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,120
no structure, no hierarchy, but they outlasted every band, sold

170
00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:51,120
over two hundred million records. Here's the system that kept

171
00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,919
them together for more than sixty years. So of course

172
00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,159
I bookmarked this week. All right, I'm just gonna be stuff.

173
00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:56,799
We're reading this thing after the next ten minutes.

174
00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,000
Speaker 4: We're not working.

175
00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,559
Speaker 1: But okay, the Stones have sold millions of RECs records

176
00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,000
over sixty years. But here's what's more impressive. They never

177
00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,000
had a single leader making all the decisions.

178
00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:07,240
Speaker 4: Yet they outlasted.

179
00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:07,639
Speaker 3: Every man that did.

180
00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,799
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger handled the business in performance. Keith Richards owned

181
00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:16,080
the music in the creative direction. They never crossed lines.

182
00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,080
This eliminated ninety percent of ego conflicts before they started

183
00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,320
Thread three. When they disagreed, they didn't compromise. They fought

184
00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,440
until the song was bulletproof. The last time you know

185
00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,639
that song took eight months because both refused to settle.

186
00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:38,480
That tension created their signature sound. This tension forced constant evolution.

187
00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,200
After Satisfaction hit in nineteen sixty five, labels wanted more

188
00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,879
of the same, but they refused to continue to push

189
00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:48,000
each other to innovate. Richards said copying success would be

190
00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,879
quote dead in the water. Here's the part most people

191
00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:54,440
miss about the Stones. Leadership rotated based on the song,

192
00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:58,919
not hierarchy. Richards led Midnight Rambler Live Jagger stepped in

193
00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,720
when Keith's visual was wronger. This fluid leadership created three

194
00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:05,919
principles that elite teams use. Here's what he says. Number one,

195
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,720
use conflict as fuel, not friction.

196
00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,639
Speaker 3: Some contrast, but yeah, I would say, I would say

197
00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:15,159
contrasts is better than conflict. But go on Number two.

198
00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,120
It's easier to go ahead.

199
00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,279
Speaker 1: Define clear lanes and stay in them. Number three rotate

200
00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,960
authority based on expertise. Most teams fear this approach and

201
00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:27,639
failed to succeed because everybody's got an ego, right, which

202
00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:30,000
comes back to our first point. But the Stones built

203
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,720
their systems. They're bigger than individual egos. Sixty years later,

204
00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:36,240
they still execute at elite levels. And by the way,

205
00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,919
their last record was pretty freaking good.

206
00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the I thought it was a very

207
00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,840
good album, especially you know, considering their AIGs and stuff.

208
00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,000
I guess that gives you a few extra points. Is

209
00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:47,759
that all just a little bit more.

210
00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:51,320
Speaker 1: Most startups fail because founders try to control everything. Elite

211
00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,000
teams distribute authority based on expertise. So and then he

212
00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,879
puts in a he puts in a pitch for his

213
00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,879
own software.

214
00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:02,919
Speaker 3: But to uh, I think with the Stones that they

215
00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,080
did have, they did have problems in the band. They

216
00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,080
did take long breaks. Mick did go and do a

217
00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:13,399
solo record, Keith did go and do a yeah when

218
00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,120
it was different things, but they came. They never they

219
00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:21,759
never gave up on the On the Stones, I think

220
00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:24,799
they realized that I don't know at what point what

221
00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:30,200
they had was iconic and uh, some people have said

222
00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,759
they're just a really good bar band. Maybe maybe. I

223
00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:37,080
think when it comes to things, I think what you

224
00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:42,440
have to do in anything is you have to put

225
00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,600
ego aside, and that's not easy to do. And I

226
00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,879
think Keith Richards can do it pretty well because I

227
00:11:47,919 --> 00:11:51,720
think Keith is a pretty balanced guy. Maybe Mick can,

228
00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:54,720
but Mick was also merchandise and and Keith didn't give

229
00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,200
a shit about that stuff. In terms of the sound,

230
00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,759
it's probably true that Keith did most of the driving

231
00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:03,440
on that. I think a lot of times, like even

232
00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,440
Exile on mainstream. I talked about this a couple of

233
00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:10,000
nights ago, Mick Taylor, nobody got writing credits but Jagger

234
00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:12,200
and Richards. That was part of the deal. That was

235
00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,080
the deal. Taylor got writing credits when he was in

236
00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,639
the band on one song, Ventilator Blues, which is really

237
00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,440
about the air conditioning going down and your instrument's warp

238
00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:25,759
and all this stuff. I think we talked about and

239
00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,559
I think that there that song was Mick trying to

240
00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,600
fit the lyrics to what the riff. So you're right,

241
00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,799
the creative bent was the that that style. I don't know.

242
00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:44,919
I think a lot of times, if you're going to

243
00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,120
be a good leader, and I don't know, and I'd

244
00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:51,279
even say this even being a parent, right, I think

245
00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,720
that being a good leader you've got to step back

246
00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:56,799
at times and listen, and there's got to be a

247
00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,320
buffer between you and the knee jerk reaction. And earlier

248
00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,039
tonight I had the reaction, and I was a terrible leader.

249
00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,320
I did a terrible thing, and.

250
00:13:04,279 --> 00:13:05,519
Speaker 4: I wasn't a very good buffer either.

251
00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:08,120
Speaker 3: No, but that's okay. But when I when I went

252
00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:11,200
outside and I was having a conversation with my son,

253
00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,360
he was like much calmer and collected, and I was,

254
00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:20,679
you know, I'm mad. I'm mad about other things, and

255
00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:24,679
maybe and I did not do a good job of leadership.

256
00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,799
And I think sometimes the best thing to do is

257
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,039
step back, listen, let the person. Everybody in life wants

258
00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,960
to be heard. They want to know that they matter,

259
00:13:34,519 --> 00:13:37,600
and they want to feel like they contribute and matter,

260
00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,320
and they do. And you kind of owe that to everybody.

261
00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,360
You want it yourself, Let's let the other person have

262
00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:48,080
that too. I didn't do that tonight. I on something earlier.

263
00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,440
And I think that when you talk about the stones,

264
00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,919
sometimes you step back and you let the ego go,

265
00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,159
you know. I mean, I even look at like I

266
00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,240
we were talking about you know, my brother took the

267
00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,080
lead with my dad, and somebody else said, yeah, a

268
00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,039
lot of times you have too many chiefs and not

269
00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,960
enough you know, people in the party. And I think

270
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,679
that sometimes you just have to go, Okay, they've got it,

271
00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,720
and I'm here to support and that's the role. And

272
00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:19,159
I'm not. I don't know. I think our ego gets

273
00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,879
too involved in stuff. We get really caught up in emotions.

274
00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,440
And I often think, like, you know, business is cold

275
00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:31,159
because emotions don't come into play. What comes into play

276
00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,960
are really kind of black and white, right, Yeah, And

277
00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:37,120
yet we live in a world where, no matter what

278
00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,120
anybody tells you, a lot of it is based on feelings.

279
00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:43,960
And I know that some people get annoyed and go, well,

280
00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:46,919
everything's about feelings, yes, But a song makes you feel

281
00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,720
a certain way, whatever somebody's doing makes you feel a

282
00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,960
certain way. That's what you remember. That's what you remember.

283
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,919
That's why there are songs that people love. They go,

284
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000
oh my god, yeah, why because that song could be

285
00:14:57,039 --> 00:14:59,600
the biggest pile of shit, but it reminds you of

286
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,919
something that you loved it in your life.

287
00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:01,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

288
00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:03,759
Speaker 1: Like Oasis is back on tour right now, and there's

289
00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:06,000
five or six songs that I've seen them live on

290
00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,679
clips and I'm like, oh my gosh, that takes me

291
00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:10,000
back to like tenth grade exactly.

292
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,159
Speaker 3: So I think that there are those sorts of things

293
00:15:12,159 --> 00:15:19,480
that go on, and I I think feelings are important,

294
00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,519
and I think that's all we really have, right, That's

295
00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:25,320
what our memories are based on, and we go with

296
00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:28,720
sometimes I have a gut feeling, that's why I won't

297
00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,279
do something. I have this They're important. You can't ignore them. Yeah,

298
00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,879
we can try to shit on them and go ever

299
00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,200
reason well, feelings and I got it. I understand what

300
00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,720
those what people are saying there. We don't want to

301
00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,919
get too manipulated by things, but things can be tough,

302
00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:45,559
and you know that. That's the deal.

303
00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:48,480
Speaker 4: Always try to attach a fact to a feeling. We can't.

304
00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:51,759
Speaker 1: If you can't, Okay, if you can't attach a fact

305
00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:53,919
to a feeling, then don't go with that feeling necessarily.

306
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,600
Speaker 4: Try to attach a fact to it.

307
00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:58,200
Speaker 1: So that way you're not always letting the irrational mind

308
00:15:58,279 --> 00:15:59,240
guide the rational mind.

309
00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,320
Speaker 3: Right, sometimes if you can step back, take a step back.

310
00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,799
Meditation is a nice thing. You can step back and

311
00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,440
sort of observe yourself observing, keep.

312
00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:10,320
Speaker 1: A journal of every time you think you've lost your mind,

313
00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,000
and they go back and go, how'd that work out?

314
00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:12,440
Speaker 3: Oh?

315
00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:12,840
Speaker 4: It did?

316
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,720
Speaker 3: Yes? Does? Right? Usually does? What's happening with the Buffalo bills?

317
00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,480
You said you had something and I I contacted our

318
00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:23,679
friend Greg Connors. How's he doing? Man? Well? I did?

319
00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,080
I called him. I haven't talked to him in a while.

320
00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,320
And then I told him that I saw the video

321
00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,759
of did you see this video? Did you know what

322
00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:36,240
we talked about this. It's Greg running on like these

323
00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,279
thick mats. They're thicker than yoga mats than they float,

324
00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:40,879
but they're like a yoga mat in the water.

325
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,240
Speaker 4: So he's running on the he's warning on water.

326
00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,519
Speaker 3: And he's running on the people have them lined up

327
00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:49,120
down this pool and he's running down and he's trying

328
00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,519
to get across, and then eventually he falls in. So

329
00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,200
I said him a little joke. He goes, where did

330
00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,759
you see it? And I tell him and he goes, oh,

331
00:16:55,879 --> 00:17:04,119
that person has me blocks. Wait what? So I don't

332
00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,240
know if I just stepped into a vive or not.

333
00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,920
But it was funny, Like I laughed really hard because

334
00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:12,640
I must have watched it like seven times to go.

335
00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,079
I was slowed it down right when I see him

336
00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,279
start to lose his footing, I saw it. I don't

337
00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:18,680
know why. I was just laying in bed. I go,

338
00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,640
this is crazy crazy. So yeah, but then he goes,

339
00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,839
where did you see it? And I said, you're a

340
00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,079
social media star. He goes, where did you see it?

341
00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,799
I tell him and he goes, I've been blocked by

342
00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:31,079
that person. I can't see it.

343
00:17:31,799 --> 00:17:33,559
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay.

344
00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,519
Speaker 3: Yes, So he is a sponsor of Buffalo Bill's training camp.

345
00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:40,400
Buffalo Bill's training camp is sold out. I believe. I

346
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,920
think people we went on stuff I get sold out.

347
00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:46,359
But stub Hub are people are selling for like one

348
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,759
fifty to watch me well, and I will be talking

349
00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:54,039
about practice. I don't think most people know what they're watching.

350
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,119
Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, because they don't come out and announce

351
00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:57,640
what's going on.

352
00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:01,960
Speaker 3: Like I can't tell for Josh and the receivers to

353
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:02,559
get on the scene.

354
00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:05,440
Speaker 1: Seven on seven is the special teams. Okay here, here's

355
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,359
one clue. When they put on the funny caps. Yeah,

356
00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,279
like the color caps, not the beehive caps for practice,

357
00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:14,000
that usually mean special teams because guys on offense and

358
00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:16,920
defense both play special teams on the same side, so

359
00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,960
we know that usually it's seven on seven drills quarterback drills.

360
00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,839
Speaker 4: But yeah, you really don't know what you're watching.

361
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,079
Speaker 1: And by the way, the real practice takes place when

362
00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:25,759
nobody's watching.

363
00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,319
Speaker 4: This is just this is a marketing tool.

364
00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,119
Speaker 1: This is not I mean, yeah, they're working out and

365
00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,119
they're working on stuff, but none of the stuff that

366
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,759
they're doing at camp is ever going to see the

367
00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:35,440
light of day.

368
00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,599
Speaker 4: Typically except for field goal kickers in a game.

369
00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:42,960
Speaker 1: It's just not unless they want people to think they're

370
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,519
going to do this and just give them something to

371
00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:45,000
think about it.

372
00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,559
Speaker 4: If that makes sense, it does so. But I wrote

373
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:48,680
I wrote.

374
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,839
Speaker 1: Three articles in The Times in Wake County Callum about

375
00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:54,079
why the Yankee should sell at the deadline, and I

376
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,519
also asked a game called really, like in other words,

377
00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:58,799
some statements were made this past week, and I'm like, really,

378
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,240
But the big one was ten NFL, there are ten

379
00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:04,519
Buffalo Bills camp questions because camp because by the time

380
00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:07,559
the Times comes out on Saturday and it gets mailed

381
00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:09,960
on Monday, Camp's going to be a week away. So

382
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,640
we want to be ready for camp. And basically it

383
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,519
all hovers around hard knocks. Yeah, what is hard knocks

384
00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:16,200
going to be covering?

385
00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 3: Right? You know?

386
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw this story today.

387
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,240
So the question ten was how will this impact?

388
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:23,680
Speaker 3: You know?

389
00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:25,640
Speaker 1: We can We've gone over that. But the other question

390
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,200
that I asked is like, well, James Cook's contract be

391
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,839
an issue? Now, I don't know how true this is.

392
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,799
Train Wreck Sports tweeted this out. Apparently somebody walked up

393
00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,519
to James Cook and asked for an autograph and he

394
00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:37,039
was kind of a you know, he was kind of

395
00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:39,119
miffed about it. Now players can get myf because they

396
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,079
get approached all the time. I have no issues with

397
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,079
a player doesn't want to sign an autograph because it's

398
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,119
their time and.

399
00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 4: You're bugging them.

400
00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 1: But he asked for Apparently he and according to this

401
00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:49,720
story now true, this is he asked for money for it.

402
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,279
And so people saying, man, he must really need that

403
00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:55,880
fifteen million dollars a year if he's asking people because

404
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,599
the guy offered him twenty bucks. He goes, that's all

405
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,759
you got. Yeah, And I don't know how true that is,

406
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,519
but I mean, you.

407
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 4: Know, that's gonna be something that they're gonna focus on.

408
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,039
Speaker 1: They're gonna focus on this Maxwell Harston lawsuit that's come up.

409
00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:11,440
It's not gonna affect him his play on the field

410
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,160
because they can't suspend him. It's a civil case and

411
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,160
it'll probably take place after the season.

412
00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 4: But they're gonna focus on that. They're gonna focus on

413
00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:20,240
Josh Allen's nuptials. They're gonna focus on.

414
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,279
Speaker 3: This wide receiver room.

415
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, They're gonna focus on this wide receiver room, which,

416
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,880
by the way, ESPN ranked is the twenty eighth quote

417
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,160
best in the NFL.

418
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,079
Speaker 4: Now here's the thing.

419
00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a great receiver room, but

420
00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:31,720
twenty eighth are you kidding me?

421
00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:34,079
Speaker 3: Well, let's see what Josh can do. If even three

422
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,680
of those twos, I hope that becomes.

423
00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.

424
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,519
Speaker 4: You have the MVP of the NFL.

425
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,559
Speaker 3: Bulletin, bulletin bo and I put that in there, comes

426
00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:46,680
to fire, fire you up right, Because.

427
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,599
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, they got guys who were hurt

428
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,119
last year who are coming back, like Curtis Samuel, who

429
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,680
are very fast. Kean Coleman's got to take that leap

430
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,599
as a sophomore. They say he's getting bigger and stronger.

431
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,240
Dalton Kincaid has to be more injury free take that

432
00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:01,359
leap in his third of the year, right, But also,

433
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,240
you brought in you brought in Josh Palmer, and you

434
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,599
brought in this Elijah More kid. If even three of

435
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,759
these dudes live up to their potential, who's beating this team?

436
00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 3: I agree? I agree.

437
00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 4: So CAP's gonna be fun this year.

438
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: Grab us snickers, all right, Camp's gonna be And by

439
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,680
the way, if they win the Super Bowl this year,

440
00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:20,119
ye guess what HBO is gonna have next year.

441
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 3: For Hard Docks The Buffalo Bills Part two. Yeah, you know,

442
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,920
superstitious the guys are. Ye, that's really true.

443
00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:30,759
Speaker 1: A sequel, But if you want to have a comparison,

444
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:33,599
go back and watch the Rex Ryan Jets Hard Knocks.

445
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,319
If you have HBO Max, go back and watch that one.

446
00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:38,440
Because that team had the that team had the most

447
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,079
potential to do something. I mean, remember how hyped up

448
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,759
they were. Remember their friend toothless Edd. He went to

449
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:44,160
jail and thought he was gonna be allowed to watch

450
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,839
Jets games Monday.

451
00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:46,559
Speaker 3: Nights and they said no.

452
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:48,559
Speaker 1: They threw away a channel changer made him and made

453
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,440
him watch the Discovery channel. Yeah, okay, it wasn't Anthony

454
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,279
Bourdain Discovery. It was like Dinosaurs type of stuff. But

455
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,079
like that year the Jets were they went all the

456
00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:58,359
way in the Ancy Championship game. So that may be

457
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,839
the model of how this Knocks can work because they

458
00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:01,759
haven't had a team that good.

459
00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:04,279
Speaker 3: Since I like it, I like it, I like it.

460
00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:05,319
Speaker 4: So those are my thoughts.

461
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 3: We're gonna I know, Rhode Island, I know this is

462
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,799
a short one. We had a very bumpy my I

463
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,799
I I don't even know what I'm walking out of

464
00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:14,119
here and.

465
00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,319
Speaker 1: Into what you cry about today, you'll laugh about you.

466
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: I hope so Dan. I hope for Dan Burrello. I'm

467
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:27,920
know Moran, see you hopefully tomorrow. In a hotel, didn't

468
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,640
know what to do.

469
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,839
Speaker 1: I turn a TV.

470
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,519
Speaker 3: Don't rud the letter to you and this dead man

471
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,039
about the Una State. See, they were looking for

