Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons.
Speaker 2: Throwing some ice, mix in some vodka. A podcast from
the Mac of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven
by Victor Chrysler Dots. Gee Ram, It's Bilified the Bill
Moran Podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, hello and welcome for take two. I recorded something
earlier and it just I uh, after better reflection upon it,
I think that it's just better to let it be. Yes,
I apologize for to you, Danny, for all this chaos,
and I will just say that. Boy, I don't know,
I don't even know what to say. I feel like
it's sometimes you know, you get three steps forward, six
steps back, and that's what I feel like I did.
And that's a tough one.
Speaker 4: Can I tell you something from the spiritual side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's hard to explain, but God understands well.
Speaker 3: I often say this. This is my little listen my
mantra that I will say all the time. I always
say that all is well, everything is always working out
for my highest good. Out of this situation, only good
will come and I am safe. Yeah, and I try
to really bind to that. I I I think that
there are things that I can't really get into here.
But sometimes it all just comes in and and the
ship flies. And there have been things that residuals that
are done, that have been done already that I'm hearing
from other people.
Speaker 1: So you share a lot on this show. You don't
have to share everything. No, so it's all good. Yeah,
it's all good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I just you can read the bottom one
there and that show. Yeah, okay, right right right, but
but it was yeah, so yeah, so everything's like you know,
and I feel like I set off a chain reaction
that I didn't I didn't intend to. No. I thought
I was trying to have fun in a silly situation.
I thought it was a cool thing. It didn't go well.
I know I'm talking very vaguely, and and people always wonder, but.
Speaker 1: When the documentary comes out in twenty thirty, we'll tell
you everything.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not even matter. I think, like you know,
it would be disrespectful to people. Yes, upon further reflection
to air what went on, and I'm trying to find
ways to capture some stuff, and then that's it. I
will say that the.
Speaker 1: Second biggest thing we're not going to find out about
this weeding name.
Speaker 4: What's the first etein stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh, The thing that I can say is that maybe
I've been under even stress with my dad. I've been
worried today his surgery. He did as people I've talked
about in the podcast anyway, he fell broke his hip
in a couple places and surgery went well today, So
hopefully he'll recover from there. And then I just, you know,
I guess that sometimes these are good little readings on yourself.
I thought I was in a better place than I
guess I am. That's all I can say.
Speaker 4: I'll say this.
Speaker 3: Right when you you know I didn't handle something well
and I should have.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, given all you've been through in the
last day, the last week, last month, the last few years,
there is no person that I could if I had
to have a draft for okay, who could handle all
of this? And I had the first overall pick. And
I know you and I have not always seen eyd
eye over the years. There was a time where we
didn't talk at all. If there was one person that
I had the first overall pick to handle all this situation,
handle it as well as they could, it would be
Bill Moran.
Speaker 3: No, thank you, I don't know. I will see, by
the way, Danning's hat. I didn't realize that it's the
new the Newark Pilots. Yeah, I didn't know that, Like
so I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Either until about twenty seventeen. Yeah, but yeah, so you're
in the old New York Penn League. You probably remember
the New York Penn League growing up. It was a
ball and double a baseball teams in New York State
and Pennsylvania that.
Speaker 4: Would feed players to the majors.
Speaker 1: Newark actually had a team that was i think in
the Milwaukee Brewers or the I'm sorry, maybe the Baltimore
Orioles system, one of the other. And there are a
couple of guys who went who came through Newark and
ended up playing, you know in the big same right,
Robin Yo maybe it was yeah, Robin you hou played
for them. And then a lot of guys who end
up with the Cincinnati Reds, like Pete Rose and others
played for the Geneva Red Wings.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And those two teams are now part of this collegiate
league where, you know, because the college teams they can't
play in the summer, so they send their kids off
to play in the Cape Cod League, yeah, or in
the the n G PC the New York or the
Perfect Game Collegiate Baseball League, which the Pilots are part of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I had no idea that if I love
the logo, Yeah, when the when? When the New York
Petany called the stadium? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Coburn Park, Okay, Coburn Park. And what's funny is
that it's a it's an incredibly well manicured park. The
guy who does the mound for them is actually used
to be like, travel to Nolan Ryan's games and do
his mound for him. Really, Nolan Ryan had a very
specific way of doing things and he liked the way
this guy did the mound. And this guy did the
mount perfectly for Nolan Ryan. And he still works for
the Newark Pilots.
Speaker 4: Very sharp dude.
Speaker 3: And he lives in Newark.
Speaker 4: Yes, he lives in that area.
Speaker 3: How do we get that guy on the podcast?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know, right, we get the owner.
Speaker 1: The owner, Bob Oman owns the Pilots, the Geneva Red
Wings and the a the Auburn Double Days. The punk
that I left out about the New York Penn League
was all the pen leagues they moved south, so they
had to replace him because they only stadiums all over
New York States and they go, Okay, what we'll do
is we'll do what that Cape Cod League does, which
will provide a summer wooden bat league for college players
to keep their skills going in the summer.
Speaker 4: And it plays in June and July.
Speaker 1: So if you want to go to a Pilot's game
or a Red Wings game, a Geneva Red Wings game,
we got to go before the end of the end
of July because in August they all go back to
play quote unquote fall ball at their respective colleges. But
they've they've put some great kids through the system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm sorry that my head is distracted. Danny
got to say he had a front row seat to
things that I was. I don't even know. I'm like dizzy.
Speaker 1: I could see that after the I can understand.
Speaker 3: You know, And I hate doing that because people are
gonna be like, well, what was it, what happened? Well,
you get it, and I, uh, I can't out of respect.
Out of respect, I can't, but I just say that
sometimes I guess my I always say, your knee jerk
reaction is the reaction you should have, and I did
go with knee jerk and that was a mistake. And
just I will just tell you that my life off
the podcast is going to be bumping for a little bit, bumpy, muppy,
let bumpy, more bumpy, more bumpy than than normal, not
going on.
Speaker 4: Yes, Bill's life.
Speaker 3: So that that's all I can say for that. But
there you go. Let me share something, Yes, please share
something with you.
Speaker 1: So Twitter has now become a bunch of threads since
you line took over or x.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and I saw that down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess apparently groc went off the rails
yesterday and started like saying some really racist stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what the specifics are.
I've just avoided Grok since I heard about this.
Speaker 1: But uh, Twitter has had a lot of people putting
together threads and at the end of the thread they're
they're trying to sell you something. Right, Well, here's one
about the Rolling Stones. Oh so see if you agree
because you're a Stones fan.
Speaker 3: The Stone.
Speaker 1: So this is a guy named Jordan Saunders who put
this together and he's part of a company that is
called Netthink or next Think Labs. Okay, and that's how
they drive teams and cybersecurity and software. But here's what
he said about The Stones. The Rolling Stones had no ceo,
no structure, no hierarchy, but they outlasted every band, sold
over two hundred million records. Here's the system that kept
them together for more than sixty years. So of course
I bookmarked this week. All right, I'm just gonna be stuff.
We're reading this thing after the next ten minutes.
Speaker 4: We're not working.
Speaker 1: But okay, the Stones have sold millions of RECs records
over sixty years. But here's what's more impressive. They never
had a single leader making all the decisions.
Speaker 4: Yet they outlasted.
Speaker 3: Every man that did.
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger handled the business in performance. Keith Richards owned
the music in the creative direction. They never crossed lines.
This eliminated ninety percent of ego conflicts before they started
Thread three. When they disagreed, they didn't compromise. They fought
until the song was bulletproof. The last time you know
that song took eight months because both refused to settle.
That tension created their signature sound. This tension forced constant evolution.
After Satisfaction hit in nineteen sixty five, labels wanted more
of the same, but they refused to continue to push
each other to innovate. Richards said copying success would be
quote dead in the water. Here's the part most people
miss about the Stones. Leadership rotated based on the song,
not hierarchy. Richards led Midnight Rambler Live Jagger stepped in
when Keith's visual was wronger. This fluid leadership created three
principles that elite teams use. Here's what he says. Number one,
use conflict as fuel, not friction.
Speaker 3: Some contrast, but yeah, I would say, I would say
contrasts is better than conflict. But go on Number two.
It's easier to go ahead.
Speaker 1: Define clear lanes and stay in them. Number three rotate
authority based on expertise. Most teams fear this approach and
failed to succeed because everybody's got an ego, right, which
comes back to our first point. But the Stones built
their systems. They're bigger than individual egos. Sixty years later,
they still execute at elite levels. And by the way,
their last record was pretty freaking good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the I thought it was a very
good album, especially you know, considering their AIGs and stuff.
I guess that gives you a few extra points. Is
that all just a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Most startups fail because founders try to control everything. Elite
teams distribute authority based on expertise. So and then he
puts in a he puts in a pitch for his
own software.
Speaker 3: But to uh, I think with the Stones that they
did have, they did have problems in the band. They
did take long breaks. Mick did go and do a
solo record, Keith did go and do a yeah when
it was different things, but they came. They never they
never gave up on the On the Stones, I think
they realized that I don't know at what point what
they had was iconic and uh, some people have said
they're just a really good bar band. Maybe maybe. I
think when it comes to things, I think what you
have to do in anything is you have to put
ego aside, and that's not easy to do. And I
think Keith Richards can do it pretty well because I
think Keith is a pretty balanced guy. Maybe Mick can,
but Mick was also merchandise and and Keith didn't give
a shit about that stuff. In terms of the sound,
it's probably true that Keith did most of the driving
on that. I think a lot of times, like even
Exile on mainstream. I talked about this a couple of
nights ago, Mick Taylor, nobody got writing credits but Jagger
and Richards. That was part of the deal. That was
the deal. Taylor got writing credits when he was in
the band on one song, Ventilator Blues, which is really
about the air conditioning going down and your instrument's warp
and all this stuff. I think we talked about and
I think that there that song was Mick trying to
fit the lyrics to what the riff. So you're right,
the creative bent was the that that style. I don't know.
I think a lot of times, if you're going to
be a good leader, and I don't know, and I'd
even say this even being a parent, right, I think
that being a good leader you've got to step back
at times and listen, and there's got to be a
buffer between you and the knee jerk reaction. And earlier
tonight I had the reaction, and I was a terrible leader.
I did a terrible thing, and.
Speaker 4: I wasn't a very good buffer either.
Speaker 3: No, but that's okay. But when I when I went
outside and I was having a conversation with my son,
he was like much calmer and collected, and I was,
you know, I'm mad. I'm mad about other things, and
maybe and I did not do a good job of leadership.
And I think sometimes the best thing to do is
step back, listen, let the person. Everybody in life wants
to be heard. They want to know that they matter,
and they want to feel like they contribute and matter,
and they do. And you kind of owe that to everybody.
You want it yourself, Let's let the other person have
that too. I didn't do that tonight. I on something earlier.
And I think that when you talk about the stones,
sometimes you step back and you let the ego go,
you know. I mean, I even look at like I
we were talking about you know, my brother took the
lead with my dad, and somebody else said, yeah, a
lot of times you have too many chiefs and not
enough you know, people in the party. And I think
that sometimes you just have to go, Okay, they've got it,
and I'm here to support and that's the role. And
I'm not. I don't know. I think our ego gets
too involved in stuff. We get really caught up in emotions.
And I often think, like, you know, business is cold
because emotions don't come into play. What comes into play
are really kind of black and white, right, Yeah, And
yet we live in a world where, no matter what
anybody tells you, a lot of it is based on feelings.
And I know that some people get annoyed and go, well,
everything's about feelings, yes, But a song makes you feel
a certain way, whatever somebody's doing makes you feel a
certain way. That's what you remember. That's what you remember.
That's why there are songs that people love. They go,
oh my god, yeah, why because that song could be
the biggest pile of shit, but it reminds you of
something that you loved it in your life.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Like Oasis is back on tour right now, and there's
five or six songs that I've seen them live on
clips and I'm like, oh my gosh, that takes me
back to like tenth grade exactly.
Speaker 3: So I think that there are those sorts of things
that go on, and I I think feelings are important,
and I think that's all we really have, right, That's
what our memories are based on, and we go with
sometimes I have a gut feeling, that's why I won't
do something. I have this They're important. You can't ignore them. Yeah,
we can try to shit on them and go ever
reason well, feelings and I got it. I understand what
those what people are saying there. We don't want to
get too manipulated by things, but things can be tough,
and you know that. That's the deal.
Speaker 4: Always try to attach a fact to a feeling. We can't.
Speaker 1: If you can't, Okay, if you can't attach a fact
to a feeling, then don't go with that feeling necessarily.
Speaker 4: Try to attach a fact to it.
Speaker 1: So that way you're not always letting the irrational mind
guide the rational mind.
Speaker 3: Right, sometimes if you can step back, take a step back.
Meditation is a nice thing. You can step back and
sort of observe yourself observing, keep.
Speaker 1: A journal of every time you think you've lost your mind,
and they go back and go, how'd that work out?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: It did?
Speaker 3: Yes? Does? Right? Usually does? What's happening with the Buffalo bills?
You said you had something and I I contacted our
friend Greg Connors. How's he doing? Man? Well? I did?
I called him. I haven't talked to him in a while.
And then I told him that I saw the video
of did you see this video? Did you know what
we talked about this. It's Greg running on like these
thick mats. They're thicker than yoga mats than they float,
but they're like a yoga mat in the water.
Speaker 4: So he's running on the he's warning on water.
Speaker 3: And he's running on the people have them lined up
down this pool and he's running down and he's trying
to get across, and then eventually he falls in. So
I said him a little joke. He goes, where did
you see it? And I tell him and he goes, oh,
that person has me blocks. Wait what? So I don't
know if I just stepped into a vive or not.
But it was funny, Like I laughed really hard because
I must have watched it like seven times to go.
I was slowed it down right when I see him
start to lose his footing, I saw it. I don't
know why. I was just laying in bed. I go,
this is crazy crazy. So yeah, but then he goes,
where did you see it? And I said, you're a
social media star. He goes, where did you see it?
I tell him and he goes, I've been blocked by
that person. I can't see it.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 3: Yes, So he is a sponsor of Buffalo Bill's training camp.
Buffalo Bill's training camp is sold out. I believe. I
think people we went on stuff I get sold out.
But stub Hub are people are selling for like one
fifty to watch me well, and I will be talking
about practice. I don't think most people know what they're watching.
Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, because they don't come out and announce
what's going on.
Speaker 3: Like I can't tell for Josh and the receivers to
get on the scene.
Speaker 1: Seven on seven is the special teams. Okay here, here's
one clue. When they put on the funny caps. Yeah,
like the color caps, not the beehive caps for practice,
that usually mean special teams because guys on offense and
defense both play special teams on the same side, so
we know that usually it's seven on seven drills quarterback drills.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you really don't know what you're watching.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the real practice takes place when
nobody's watching.
Speaker 4: This is just this is a marketing tool.
Speaker 1: This is not I mean, yeah, they're working out and
they're working on stuff, but none of the stuff that
they're doing at camp is ever going to see the
light of day.
Speaker 4: Typically except for field goal kickers in a game.
Speaker 1: It's just not unless they want people to think they're
going to do this and just give them something to
think about it.
Speaker 4: If that makes sense, it does so. But I wrote
I wrote.
Speaker 1: Three articles in The Times in Wake County Callum about
why the Yankee should sell at the deadline, and I
also asked a game called really, like in other words,
some statements were made this past week, and I'm like, really,
But the big one was ten NFL, there are ten
Buffalo Bills camp questions because camp because by the time
the Times comes out on Saturday and it gets mailed
on Monday, Camp's going to be a week away. So
we want to be ready for camp. And basically it
all hovers around hard knocks. Yeah, what is hard knocks
going to be covering?
Speaker 3: Right? You know?
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw this story today.
So the question ten was how will this impact?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: We can We've gone over that. But the other question
that I asked is like, well, James Cook's contract be
an issue? Now, I don't know how true this is.
Train Wreck Sports tweeted this out. Apparently somebody walked up
to James Cook and asked for an autograph and he
was kind of a you know, he was kind of
miffed about it. Now players can get myf because they
get approached all the time. I have no issues with
a player doesn't want to sign an autograph because it's
their time and.
Speaker 4: You're bugging them.
Speaker 1: But he asked for Apparently he and according to this
story now true, this is he asked for money for it.
And so people saying, man, he must really need that
fifteen million dollars a year if he's asking people because
the guy offered him twenty bucks. He goes, that's all
you got. Yeah, And I don't know how true that is,
but I mean, you.
Speaker 4: Know, that's gonna be something that they're gonna focus on.
Speaker 1: They're gonna focus on this Maxwell Harston lawsuit that's come up.
It's not gonna affect him his play on the field
because they can't suspend him. It's a civil case and
it'll probably take place after the season.
Speaker 4: But they're gonna focus on that. They're gonna focus on
Josh Allen's nuptials. They're gonna focus on.
Speaker 3: This wide receiver room.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, They're gonna focus on this wide receiver room, which,
by the way, ESPN ranked is the twenty eighth quote
best in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Now here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a great receiver room, but
twenty eighth are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Well, let's see what Josh can do. If even three
of those twos, I hope that becomes.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: You have the MVP of the NFL.
Speaker 3: Bulletin, bulletin bo and I put that in there, comes
to fire, fire you up right, Because.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, they got guys who were hurt
last year who are coming back, like Curtis Samuel, who
are very fast. Kean Coleman's got to take that leap
as a sophomore. They say he's getting bigger and stronger.
Dalton Kincaid has to be more injury free take that
leap in his third of the year, right, But also,
you brought in you brought in Josh Palmer, and you
brought in this Elijah More kid. If even three of
these dudes live up to their potential, who's beating this team?
Speaker 3: I agree? I agree.
Speaker 4: So CAP's gonna be fun this year.
Speaker 1: Grab us snickers, all right, Camp's gonna be And by
the way, if they win the Super Bowl this year,
ye guess what HBO is gonna have next year.
Speaker 3: For Hard Docks The Buffalo Bills Part two. Yeah, you know,
superstitious the guys are. Ye, that's really true.
Speaker 1: A sequel, But if you want to have a comparison,
go back and watch the Rex Ryan Jets Hard Knocks.
If you have HBO Max, go back and watch that one.
Because that team had the that team had the most
potential to do something. I mean, remember how hyped up
they were. Remember their friend toothless Edd. He went to
jail and thought he was gonna be allowed to watch
Jets games Monday.
Speaker 3: Nights and they said no.
Speaker 1: They threw away a channel changer made him and made
him watch the Discovery channel. Yeah, okay, it wasn't Anthony
Bourdain Discovery. It was like Dinosaurs type of stuff. But
like that year the Jets were they went all the
way in the Ancy Championship game. So that may be
the model of how this Knocks can work because they
haven't had a team that good.
Speaker 3: Since I like it, I like it, I like it.
Speaker 4: So those are my thoughts.
Speaker 3: We're gonna I know, Rhode Island, I know this is
a short one. We had a very bumpy my I
I I don't even know what I'm walking out of
here and.
Speaker 1: Into what you cry about today, you'll laugh about you.
Speaker 3: I hope so Dan. I hope for Dan Burrello. I'm
know Moran, see you hopefully tomorrow. In a hotel, didn't
know what to do.
Speaker 1: I turn a TV.
Speaker 3: Don't rud the letter to you and this dead man
about the Una State. See, they were looking for