Speaker 1: Let's say good morning now to ABC's Mike Debusky.
Speaker 2: Morning, Mike, good morning. How are you? And I will
Speaker 2: say I'm with you on the bear. Actually I'm a
Speaker 2: little out on the bear.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm really I'm not happy with it.
Speaker 2: Lost me after three after season three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, season three was I didn't like it at all.
Speaker 3: I loved season one, I loved season two. Season three
Speaker 3: I was like what And then season four there were
Speaker 3: moments of greatness, I think, but then it slid back
Speaker 3: into the we'll talk about them more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Let's.
Speaker 3: Talk about the issue at hand, and that is technology
Speaker 3: that's wrapped into the big beautiful bill. So what are
Speaker 3: some things that are in the bill that could affect us.
Speaker 2: So one of the big tech provisions that was going
Speaker 2: to be in the bill was actually stripped out of
Speaker 2: the Senate Republican spending Bill at the last minute. And
Speaker 2: this was one that got a lot of attention, and
Speaker 2: it's still worth talking about just because it could crop
Speaker 2: up in another form, either as a standalone piece of
Speaker 2: legislation or bundled into a future bill. It was known
Speaker 2: as the AI Moratorium, and this was a provision that
Speaker 2: was written by Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Ted Cruz
Speaker 2: of Texas, and it essentially instituted a temporary pause on
Speaker 2: state level AI regulation, meaning if you're a state government,
Speaker 2: you for a set period of time would not have
Speaker 2: been able to pass any legislation with certain carve outs
Speaker 2: related to artificial intelligence. And originally that was going to
Speaker 2: be a ten year pause, then it was a five
Speaker 2: year pause. And the idea here that lawmakers and many
Speaker 2: in the AI industry had was that they wanted to
Speaker 2: prevent this patchwork from emerging across the country that these
Speaker 2: AI companies were going to have to navigate either you know,
Speaker 2: having Google sort of figure out conflicting laws in different
Speaker 2: you know, parts of the country. And more importantly, these
Speaker 2: smaller AI companies that make sort of more tailored services
Speaker 2: to certain industries, whether it be you know, manufacturing or
Speaker 2: medicine or what have you. You know, they don't necessarily
Speaker 2: have the lawyers that Google or Open Ai has to
Speaker 2: sort of figure out all of that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So the concern there was that this was going to
Speaker 2: disadvantage smaller companies. It was going to hinder the larger
Speaker 2: company's ability to focus on developing super advanced intelligence at
Speaker 2: a moment when we're in an AI race with China
Speaker 2: and we don't want to take our foot off the gas.
Speaker 2: That was the argument in favor of this piece of legislation. However,
Speaker 2: there was a lot of opposition to it. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of pushback both from Democrats and from Republicans. Seventeen
Speaker 2: Republican governors wrote to Majority Leader John Thune House Speaker
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson calling for this AI moratorium to be stripped
Speaker 2: out of the bill. And even in the AI space,
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of pushback, with Dario Amidae,
Speaker 2: who is the CEO of Anthropic, writing that this is
Speaker 2: a blunt instrument that gives us the worst of both
Speaker 2: possible worlds. It stops states from being able to legislate
Speaker 2: quickly on a quickly developing technology, and it does not
Speaker 2: allow for a federal backstop. Right there's no federal AI
Speaker 2: legislation that these states could fall back on.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, so then my question, Mike, is as it
Speaker 3: stands now since I was stripped out. Yeah, the takeaway
Speaker 3: is that right now AI's on a free for all.
Speaker 2: The takeaway right now actually is that states still have
Speaker 2: the ability to legislate on this and many do.
Speaker 1: You have that patchwork that you were talking.
Speaker 2: About, You still have that patchwork. And interestingly enough, there's
Speaker 2: been some analysis of the more than one thousand state
Speaker 2: level laws governing artificial intelligence in some capacity or another
Speaker 2: that suggests that this idea that it's going to be
Speaker 2: really hard for Google to figure out like all these
Speaker 2: varying sort of state level laws, is maybe a little overblown.
Speaker 2: A lot of these state laws sort of overlap with
Speaker 2: one another. For example, about a dozen states across the
Speaker 2: country have laws that have to do with protecting against
Speaker 2: like political deep fakes and whatnot, so it's actually kind
Speaker 2: of similar in that regard. So it's not, you know,
Speaker 2: necessarily that these guys are going to be thrown to
Speaker 2: the wind, though, you know, I was talking to some
Speaker 2: experts yesterday who also say that this concern that the
Speaker 2: smaller guys in the AI space could be left out
Speaker 2: in the cold here just because they don't have, you know,
Speaker 2: the backing or the money to pay for lawyers to
Speaker 2: figure all of this out. You know, it is a
Speaker 2: real one. So it's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 2: if this crops up in any future legislation Marsha Blackburn,
Speaker 2: as we said, co authored this bill, but she was
Speaker 2: actually the one who reversed her position on it and
Speaker 2: was kind of, you know, in favor of stripping it
Speaker 2: out of the deal. So, you know, she teamed up
Speaker 2: with Ted Cruz. Maybe those two get back together and
Speaker 2: figure something else out. But you know, as of this point,
Speaker 2: it is now up to the states to figure out
Speaker 2: kind of how to regulate AI. We're still waiting on
Speaker 2: the federal government for sort of more broad reaching governance
Speaker 2: of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then here's my thought before we move on
Speaker 3: to the Trump's self. One thing is why do they
Speaker 3: need lawyers? Just ask their own AI. Hey, did these
Speaker 3: bills overlap? Do they with each other?
Speaker 1: Just ask your AI buddy.
Speaker 2: Well, that gets at the crucial problem with AI, and
Speaker 2: in fact, why many say that it needs regulation is
Speaker 2: that this hallucinates and it makes mistakes. In fact, in
Speaker 2: the law section of the in the law sector, some
Speaker 2: lawyers have used artificial intelligence to summarize briefs to you know,
Speaker 2: get more information on a case, and they've hallucinated. They've
Speaker 2: made up crimes that didn't happen, accused people of all
Speaker 2: sorts of things, This technology, for as advanced as it
Speaker 2: is and for as much hype as it gets, is
Speaker 2: still fundamentally flawed. Right, It is still imperfect, and it
Speaker 2: still you know, you know, makes mistakes. It always needs
Speaker 2: to be double checked, and that's why there is some
Speaker 2: degree of need for governance. Here.
Speaker 3: Here's my latest example. I just fact checked it because
Speaker 3: I asked about the Dodgers' score this morning, and it's
Speaker 3: said that the Dodgers in the White Sox played on
Speaker 3: Monday night, July first, and I went, you know what,
Speaker 3: there was no Monday night, July first, Tuesday night. Okay,
Speaker 3: we don't really have time to talk about the big
Speaker 3: beautiful mobile service.
Speaker 1: But is it moving along or is it stalled?
Speaker 2: Well, it is changing, I think is maybe the takeaway here.
Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, the Trump Organization announced that they are
Speaker 2: going to be making a smartphone. They called it the
Speaker 2: T one eight thousand and two Goals version, and they
Speaker 2: said it was going to be a six point eight
Speaker 2: in screen, it was going to cost five hundred dollars,
Speaker 2: is going to be an Android device, and it was
Speaker 2: going to be built in the USA. Well, now, the
Speaker 2: website for this phone, no one has touched this phone
Speaker 2: or played around with it at all. The website for
Speaker 2: this phone has changed some of those you know, specific specs.
Speaker 2: They've changed the size of the screen, and they now
Speaker 2: say that it is proudly American, not built in America.
Speaker 2: So it seems to imply that it's not going to
Speaker 2: be built in America. No surprise there. No major smartphones
Speaker 2: are built in America. We don't really have the infrastructure
Speaker 2: to do that at this point without great cost and
Speaker 2: great expenditure, which made many people skeptical of the Trump
Speaker 2: organization being able to do that for a five hundred
Speaker 2: dollars price tag. It seems a lot of that skepticism
Speaker 2: was warranted.
Speaker 3: Wasn't the T one.
Speaker 1: To eight thousand, like the name of the terminators?
Speaker 2: It was the T one thousand if I'm were calling
Speaker 2: from two.
Speaker 1: Okay, Mike Debuski, ABC, thank you so much. Appreciated.
Speaker 2: As always, of course, guys, take care.