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<v Speaker 1>Meredith Lynch. Welcome back to Drunkish. It's Meredith from Oddly Specific.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>You were one of my first guests on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You were in my first four oh gee, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had a blast. I'm so glad it got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of uh got a lot of hits. Downloads.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know. The kids are calling

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<v Speaker 2>it on the podcast these days, dreams. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>downloads still for podcasts, Yeah, I think. So how's your

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<v Speaker 2>podcast going? You know, peaks and valleys, baby peaks and valleys.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, a lot of exciting things in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. You know, it's funny. I wonder if you

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<v Speaker 2>could relate to this. The other day, I said something

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<v Speaker 2>is coming down the pike and I was like, is

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<v Speaker 2>that just a Massachusetts thing? Do you remember the mass

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<v Speaker 2>Pike from when you were He SAIDs of course, because

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<v Speaker 2>you were like out in that part of the state too,

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<v Speaker 2>where the mass Pike is like the big thing that

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<v Speaker 2>comes through.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, coming down to the pike. I think that's that

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<v Speaker 1>is still a saying. I think people that don't live

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<v Speaker 1>near a pike would still say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right. I was just like, I'm not seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pikes these days. I was I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've got kids going back to school tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>which feels fucking insane because I'm pretty sure it's fourth

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<v Speaker 2>of July weekend, Like what what the fuck is this

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<v Speaker 2>August tenth? They go to school? What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what I wanted to talk to you about,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've already heard listen if you don't if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear more about Mara the story, which is great,

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<v Speaker 1>just go back, and I mean, I haven't had that

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<v Speaker 1>many episodes. I think there's like twenty eight at this

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<v Speaker 1>point episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is not bad. But go back. Un emeritiths good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>check it out. She was either one, two, three, or four.

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<v Speaker 2>She was in my first floor. Anyway, you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>her whole story. It's really great. How long have you

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<v Speaker 2>been sober exactly at this point now it's been three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Three years. That's amazing. Good for you. Now you are

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<v Speaker 2>very versed in the world of reality TV. You do.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a big TikTok following, and you oftentimes comment

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<v Speaker 1>on people in the world of television, but also just

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<v Speaker 1>in what would you say, like just kind even social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Social media culture internet culture. I mean, I think celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>culture is dying, Like I think that. You know, did

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<v Speaker 2>you watch Love Island? I didn't, but my kids did.

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<v Speaker 2>I know some of the names. Well, let me tell ya,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a show for girls like me, girls who

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<v Speaker 2>used to make their barbies be slutty because all they

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<v Speaker 2>do is just make random people make out on that show, kid,

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<v Speaker 2>did your kids show you that? Oh they loved it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I fucking loved it. But yes, I love commenting on

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<v Speaker 2>culture and pop culture. And I've always like, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I saw The Real World Miami. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I was like fucking locked in. I was

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<v Speaker 2>on summer vacation. My family had gone to the beach,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like through a temper tantrum and was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going in today. I'm staying at the house,

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<v Speaker 2>Like wow, what a delight of a kid. And I

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<v Speaker 2>watched a like, you know, marathon of the Real World Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't allowed to watch MTV, so that's actually part

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<v Speaker 2>of why I kicked them out of the house. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember being fascinated by it. So yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>always loved reality TV, and I you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's changed a lot over the years. I missed the

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<v Speaker 2>good old days of reality TV, and I felt a

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<v Speaker 2>little more like real quote unquote, But yeah, I love

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<v Speaker 2>it and I comment on it on TikTok and I

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<v Speaker 2>ail into the Void and I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun with it. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I've been thinking about lately

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<v Speaker 1>because I think when you are sober, or maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get sober, you might watch it with a

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<v Speaker 1>different eye. I know that, and it's hard because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to come off as judgmental, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>feel very judgmental sometimes, like when I watch Housewives, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>watching The Valley recently. I don't know if you you

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<v Speaker 1>know have seen do you watch The Valley at all?

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<v Speaker 2>So I watched the first season of the Valley because

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing some recapping, but I haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>But all I know is I don't like Jack's right,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't like Jacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Jax is a you know, he's a pretty serious addict

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<v Speaker 1>who spends a lot of time telling everybody that he's

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<v Speaker 1>not actually addicted to alcohol and drugs. He's just addicted

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<v Speaker 1>to anger. Anger is his problem, not alcohol and drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of blaming each other, like Jax

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<v Speaker 1>is blaming Danny for like you're an alcoholic, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>calls out each other's problem drinking. Which, sure, yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of problem drinkers on reality TV. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm kind of interested in is what came first,

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<v Speaker 1>Like are these people all addicts and alcoholics or does

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<v Speaker 1>reality TV encourage drinking so much that some people that

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<v Speaker 1>might be on the brink?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to delve into that because like, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what we can start with is Leah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's McSweeney, right, sure, yeah, Liam McSweeney. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>from New York Housewives. So she was pretty famously sober

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<v Speaker 2>when she started the show. She struggles with bipolar and

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<v Speaker 2>she was sober. Now she lost her Sobriet before the

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<v Speaker 2>season actually started. I'm pretty sure now she says.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that she felt that she was going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to drink because that was the whole culture of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So now it's on her that she decided to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's also saying that there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>pressure to like do coke, and I wonder, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of these women on these shows are older women.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say older, I mean my age. They're

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<v Speaker 1>my age women whose bodies probably can't be drinking that much, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But sure like how we process alcohol changes as we

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<v Speaker 2>get older, which is part of what drove me to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want to keep drinking. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so interesting that you say that is a chicken

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<v Speaker 2>or is it chicken her egg? With someone like Leah McSweeney,

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<v Speaker 2>who knew already that she had an alcohol problem, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say that that. I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 2>that it's her fault, but to me, it feels uniquely

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<v Speaker 2>her when it's like, I know I already have this problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I'm putting myself in an environment and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not staying away from things that might trigger me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's with her. I have to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's one of those things where like the

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<v Speaker 2>show didn't really work out for her and now it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little Monday morning quarterback going on. Okay, and I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that, But if I'm to play Devil's advocate

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<v Speaker 2>to that, although I do agree with that, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Why should she have to lose her so? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are these shows? Why is alcohol such a main

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<v Speaker 1>focus of the show. So you have these people that

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<v Speaker 1>are all accusing each other of having drinking problems. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing that stood out that you didn't see this season

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<v Speaker 1>on The Valley was that Jasmine and her fiance now

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<v Speaker 1>Melissa Okay, are very angry at Danny who Danny Zuko,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Zuko, No, I'm thinking of Danny from Greece, Danny whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Danny.

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<v Speaker 1>They're upset with him because he acted inappropriately at a party, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So now they want they're having a meetup so that

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<v Speaker 1>Danny can apologize.

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<v Speaker 2>But where do they have the meetup?

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<v Speaker 1>At a brewery and what happens Jasmine orders herself a

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<v Speaker 1>drink and Melissa orders a drink and then they sit

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<v Speaker 1>there and accuse him of being an alcoholic. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are people that also drink. So I'm thinking, why should

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<v Speaker 1>Leah have to have to not go on a show

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<v Speaker 1>to not be triggered, Like, why is drinking such a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of it? Seems really unhealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think one of one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I've always found really fascinating about these shows is the

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes. And one of the things that I've

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<v Speaker 2>always heard consistently and I've heard this across the board

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<v Speaker 2>with other reality shows as well. I mean not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not to I remember this from Adam talking about being

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<v Speaker 2>on The Apprentice, is that everything would take longer than

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<v Speaker 2>you anticipated it to take, Like, hey, guys, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>bring you all here, and then it would take like

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<v Speaker 2>two and a half hours. You'd be like, we could

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<v Speaker 2>have gone there in like thirty minutes, right, So I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard that with other reality shows, and Housewife sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>it's exactly the same. They will talk about the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that like if it's a party, they'll say, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna drive you this way, and then they'll drive

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<v Speaker 2>them the other way and they'll have alcohol in the car, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Or they'll say, you know, it's gonna start at three pm,

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<v Speaker 2>and then no one will show up until five pm

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<v Speaker 2>because that's the time that the ladies all got and

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<v Speaker 2>that automatically ends up like making people just on edge,

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<v Speaker 2>making people like pissed off already, right things are running late.

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<v Speaker 2>So my theory has always been it's like the combination

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<v Speaker 2>of let's get them kind of in a pissy mood

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll just fucking pound them with alcohol and

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<v Speaker 2>watch what happens. Literally, watch what happens. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>both those things. I think they want to get them

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<v Speaker 2>to the edge and then and it's like you finally

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<v Speaker 2>get to the place, all right, I'll have a drink,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take the edge off, I'll have whatever. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's also too. I think it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things where they give them probably unlimited alcohol and

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<v Speaker 2>not unlimited food.

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<v Speaker 1>But is that on them for not eating? You have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these women. Okay, now I'm thinking in

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<v Speaker 1>my brain, I'm thinking about real housewives. So now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to think about Real Housewives of Orange County where

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<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of alcoholism and some DUIs among

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<v Speaker 1>these ladies. But then you have a say, a cast

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<v Speaker 1>member like a Heather Debro who drinks, always orders a

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<v Speaker 1>drink along with everybody else. She's miss espresso martinis. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen her drunk on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, she's never drunk on this show because she

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<v Speaker 2>is in control enough. You know, she just doesn't She

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't think she needs to be. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's her superpower, is that she's the I actually think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a very smart tactic, is to be the one

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't get drunk, But.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you how do you manage that? Because

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<v Speaker 1>here I'm going to read you, I'm going to read you.

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<v Speaker 1>I made a list of all of the Real Housewives

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<v Speaker 1>or people on those type of shows who have had

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<v Speaker 1>DUI's uh, and there are quite a few. Karen Huger

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<v Speaker 1>Huger from Atlanta had has had four DU's Sonia Morgan

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<v Speaker 1>lu Anne Uh. You know some of these people have

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<v Speaker 1>also been arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>P K.

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<v Speaker 1>Dreed's husband, Gina Kirschenheider famously had a DUI. Now she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't drink. Brandy Glanville, Mary's Soul Patten uh. And I

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<v Speaker 1>believe there's more. Those are the ones that I got

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<v Speaker 1>to before I before I got on with you. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of d UIs from just Real Housewives franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you watch these people like Shannon Badour who

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<v Speaker 2>That was the biggest crime to me is that Archie

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<v Speaker 2>was in the car. I know, I know, But then we.

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<v Speaker 1>Watched for the rest of the season, Shannon continue to

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would have a leg to stand on to really

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<v Speaker 1>be Like I mean, Tamar called her an alcoholic, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, Tamera, you shouldn't be judging anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, no, I don't know that this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is taken seriously enough and I feel like people could

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<v Speaker 1>get hurt. It's also just kind of a bad example

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I think the part of it too is that

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would I would argue one of the rare

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<v Speaker 2>exceptions where and you know, she's kind of come and go.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think of like the fact that my nemesis

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel Zoe will now be going on Housewives. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Rachel Zoe of two thousand and seven would be

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<v Speaker 2>horrified to know that she was on Real Housewives. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>she has taken a tumble and I'm sure we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>more of it play out, and if any housewives are listening, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have the screenshots, but like, no one's life is

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<v Speaker 2>going that well. So I think it's like you take

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<v Speaker 2>these combinations of you know, putting them in situations that

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<v Speaker 2>are not great to begin with, like wipe alcohol out

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Then you guzzle they guzzle alcohol and also too,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, Shannon is fighting with the ex boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>and all the you know, that was like what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on behind the scenes. And I mean I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that David Badore was a prize either, No, but

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<v Speaker 2>I remember even that first season, just like I remember her.

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<v Speaker 2>She always had the great I think it was Grey

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<v Speaker 2>Goose vodka but with the newman's own lemonade, which, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, in my drinking days, fucking sign the bitch

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<v Speaker 2>up because that sounds great, okay that and like a

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<v Speaker 2>tumbler glass with like a healthy amount of ice. Oh delicious, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember thinking, like there's a lot of alcohol

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<v Speaker 2>already flowing in this house, and that didn't come because

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<v Speaker 2>of Bravo. That was you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 2>they were both already drinking every night. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that they know that the best way to make

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<v Speaker 2>the show operate is to create drama, and the best

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<v Speaker 2>way to do that is to get people drunk. But

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<v Speaker 2>I will also argue that these like women, they have

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<v Speaker 2>free will, and you know, if to Liam McSweeney's point,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I mean, yeah, I think you were put

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<v Speaker 2>in tough situations. But I also have seen people on

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<v Speaker 2>these shows who don't drink. There are people who now

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<v Speaker 2>are sober on these shows. Well, this is interesting to me,

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<v Speaker 2>Like Kyle Uh got sober. She stopped drinking, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to say that she's sober, which is another

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<v Speaker 2>thing I kind of want to bring up with you

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<v Speaker 2>in a moment, California sober that some people like listen

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to, Like, I have no problem with

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<v Speaker 2>people smoking weed. I've smoked weed, I've done edibles, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all that good stuff. Yeah, but my thought process on

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<v Speaker 2>it is like, if you're doing it every day, like

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<v Speaker 2>and I know a lot of people who are doing

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<v Speaker 2>it like every day every day, I'm a little concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe that's just like that's where I think. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I am like truly my father's daughter, I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't be smoking dope every day, like like I literally

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<v Speaker 2>sound like like I mean, I just that's where and

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<v Speaker 2>also too I think there's a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are sober and then like they're just like fucking high

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<v Speaker 2>as fuck all the time. And that's yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I just get It's like I feel like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could do that, But listen, the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>if I did smoke pot, I would smoke it every day.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess some people might know each other themselves better.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, I guess it just comes down to

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<v Speaker 2>like how often are you Also, like I remember reading

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<v Speaker 2>about how bad it is for your lungs like to

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<v Speaker 2>smoke it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so what if you're just eating a gummy that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what if we're getting really judgy? Listen, that's

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<v Speaker 1>too much sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, I just I listen. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess like life is fucking hard. And if you're if

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<v Speaker 2>rug of choice is alcohol and then you start smoking

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<v Speaker 2>weed and you are the relationships in your life are

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<v Speaker 2>no longer falling apart, and you're able to work and

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<v Speaker 2>you're able to do all of these things and you

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<v Speaker 2>have you know. But I think that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I think, like five or ten years from

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<v Speaker 2>now we'll be talking about is like just the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of people that I know who like get really high

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<v Speaker 2>and then drive, Yes, I am, Oh my god. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was in high school, I one time had to

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<v Speaker 2>drive high and I drove. First of all, I drove

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<v Speaker 2>drunk all the time. Pretty good drunk driver. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons I quit drinking so that I

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<v Speaker 1>would never have to drive drunk again. But I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying I drove drunk a lot of times with nothing happening.

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<v Speaker 1>The one time that I remember getting high and then

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<v Speaker 1>I had to drive because something something happened where I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I shouldn't be driving high, but I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I had the car, whatever it was, I was stuck

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<v Speaker 1>having to drive, and I remember being like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm driving in the air, like I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was driving like a spaceship and I was

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<v Speaker 1>having like a little experience where I'm like I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of floating like above the road. And then I realized

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<v Speaker 1>I was on a one way street going the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, to be fair, though, that sounds fucking sick. So

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<v Speaker 2>I really can't blame you, like if that is what

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are experiencing when you drive high, like I

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<v Speaker 2>can't like, fine, you know what. No, But I also

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much these women are doing things

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<v Speaker 2>that are not alcohol too, because I've heard there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of pills going on, and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>pills are very different than like doing an edible. But

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<v Speaker 2>I guess like my thought process is, like it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like being on Housewives is pretty fucking miserable, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just makes you want to fucking drink, Like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sound like it's fun. And I'm sure you get to

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<v Speaker 2>these places. You go to go to this dinner, right

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, oh god, everybody's like an hour late

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm waiting, and so you just start drinking. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this used to happen to me sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this is happening to you. I

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<v Speaker 2>would like all of a sudden realize that I had

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<v Speaker 2>drank more than I thought I had, and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether I was like at a dinner or I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, I remember when canned wine came out,

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<v Speaker 2>like I didn't realize that I was consuming like two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half glasses of wine drinking one can like

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<v Speaker 2>I was drinking it like it was beers. And I

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<v Speaker 2>remember being at a party ones and being like, I

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<v Speaker 2>am fucked up what happened? Like, and that I think

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<v Speaker 2>probably like not even the awareness of like when you

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<v Speaker 2>go out to dinner and it's you and your husband

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<v Speaker 2>and you go I think, I'll have two drinks when

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<v Speaker 2>you're at one of these things and it lasts for

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<v Speaker 2>hours and they just keep eating you drinks. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if I was on Real Housewives the

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<v Speaker 2>way when I was drinking, I mean, I always tended

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<v Speaker 2>to if there was any situation where there was like

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<v Speaker 2>free flowing alcohol, I was very excited about it, Like

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<v Speaker 2>and if I would if I went to sushi with

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<v Speaker 2>my husband, I was the one going, Okay, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>a large sake and a large beer. Like even if

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<v Speaker 2>my husband was like we could just have like a

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<v Speaker 2>small beer, I'd be like, what why would we do that?

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<v Speaker 2>They make large ones? Like this is like maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>appetizers now, I'm like, uh, why wouldn't we get spinach, nardo,

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<v Speaker 2>totoke tip and fried Ravioli's like, yeah, you stop drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the other thing that people don't realize is like

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<v Speaker 2>you do sort of like replace food sometimes with some

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<v Speaker 2>of these things, right, And yeah, I mean I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as somebody who is sober and has been for quite

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<v Speaker 2>a while, do you feel like, what do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's been in terms of the timeline, Has it

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<v Speaker 2>gotten worse, has it gotten better in terms of drinking

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<v Speaker 2>on things like Housewives? Like do I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's gotten worse for people?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it's way more prevalent. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's far too acceptable until it's not, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I think we turn on people, myself included. I'm calling

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<v Speaker 1>myself out for being like, oh my gosh, like why

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<v Speaker 1>is Shannon getting a dui and then continuing to drink

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<v Speaker 1>in every scene that she's in?

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<v Speaker 2>Like how does she not know? But of course, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's it's ridiculous for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me to say as somebody who is recovering from alcoholism,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just kind of triggering to watch it

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<v Speaker 1>and you feel bad, but then you also go But

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<v Speaker 1>this environment has got to be hard to be in

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<v Speaker 1>when everybody's drinking and you're the only one. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>because I wonder if Kyle Richards is not actually an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was easier for her, she chose to like

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<v Speaker 1>not drink. She didn't like the effects of alcohol on

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<v Speaker 1>her and she didn't like that. She felt like she

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<v Speaker 1>was dealing with some emotional whatever her thing is.

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<v Speaker 2>She is not.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying that she's an alcoholic, she's just saying that she

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<v Speaker 1>chooses not to.

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<v Speaker 2>Drink, right. And also too, to me, it's interesting what

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal that is to everybody, Like, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I have so many friends now who don't drink.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not necessarily that they're alcoholics. Some of them,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that they you know, have you know, they are

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<v Speaker 2>alcoholics and they've gotten so whatever. But I have so

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<v Speaker 2>many friends who don't drink anymore. And so to me,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it's like a recurring storyline that a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, fifty five year old woman decided she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to drink alcohol anymore, I'm like, that's fucking news.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just disagree. But in the world of housewives,

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<v Speaker 2>that is. And I think one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>bothers me about that is like it kind of reduces

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<v Speaker 2>women to just like this idea of like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 2>either drink or you don't drink. It's like such a

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<v Speaker 2>personality trade of yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, But I feel like that's kind of in the

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<v Speaker 1>world or do you think it's just in pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's odd. I think people feel if they

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<v Speaker 2>quit drinking. People who are sober curious or whatever. A

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<v Speaker 2>big recurring theme for people is like what am I

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<v Speaker 2>going to tell people?

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<v Speaker 1>And why are we living in? Why is society such

419
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<v Speaker 1>that it is a big deal to be a person

420
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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't drink that people are so curious about it?

421
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<v Speaker 2>Really, you know you don't drink, an I think you're right.

422
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<v Speaker 2>You're right, No, I agree, And I do feel like

423
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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I feel like I was at a birthday party

424
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<v Speaker 2>the other night and everybody was drinking, and that's totally

425
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<v Speaker 2>no one was being everything was fine. But finally, like

426
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<v Speaker 2>I think, like a few after like the third time

427
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<v Speaker 2>of being offered something, I just was like, oh, I

428
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<v Speaker 2>don't drink, And then I feel like I have to

429
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<v Speaker 2>do my whole fucking explanation. Then I have to be like, Okay,

430
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<v Speaker 2>time out party. So here's the deal. I'm not an alcoholic,

431
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<v Speaker 2>even though I'm married to one he's been sober for

432
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<v Speaker 2>seventeen years. Also, if you want to drink, that's okay,

433
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<v Speaker 2>but I don't really want you to get like absolutely drunk,

434
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<v Speaker 2>and like I have to take care of you. But

435
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<v Speaker 2>even when I was drinking, I wouldn't want to do that.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just like I have this like fucking speel

437
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<v Speaker 2>that I have to do to make and I don't

438
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<v Speaker 2>know if it necessarily is this, but like that I

439
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<v Speaker 2>feel I have to do to make other people feel comfortable. Right,

440
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<v Speaker 2>maybe I do it, but I do think that like

441
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<v Speaker 2>when you tell people you don't drink, it does bring

442
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<v Speaker 2>up their own relationship with alcohol. Yeah, for sure, and

443
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<v Speaker 2>that's not your fault. But I think that's what's happening

444
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<v Speaker 2>with Kyle on house That's why like her not drinking

445
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<v Speaker 2>is like I mean, they treat that like the biggest

446
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<v Speaker 2>fucking deal in the world when.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Half of them have had a problem with alcohol or

448
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<v Speaker 1>seem like drinking is problematic for them, like a Suddon

449
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<v Speaker 1>or like I mean, you know, that's kind of a

450
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<v Speaker 1>thing on there is, Like especially the ones that are

451
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<v Speaker 1>kind of judging her for not drinking are people who

452
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<v Speaker 1>maybe shouldn't drink, And the ones that don't care, like

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<v Speaker 1>a Garcel, are not people that you've ever seen like

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<v Speaker 1>drunken out of control at an event.

455
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<v Speaker 2>Who do you think is the most successful housewife of

456
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<v Speaker 2>all time? And you can say my enemy. But like,

457
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<v Speaker 2>who do you think long term has has had like

458
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<v Speaker 2>material success, Like is a successful person in life or

459
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<v Speaker 2>is it successful as a housewife? Like what do you

460
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<v Speaker 2>mean successful in life? Successful in life?

461
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<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel like Kyle is pretty successful in life.

462
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<v Speaker 1>I mean she was the co owner of a massive

463
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<v Speaker 1>real estate business. Mm hmm, I guess also Bethany.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Bethany, Like I would say Bethany, Heather Dubrow, Kyle, Nini,

465
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<v Speaker 2>those to me sort of from each Teresa Giudice to

466
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<v Speaker 2>some degree, I would say, even though she's had her issues,

467
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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, has taken a lot of stuff

468
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<v Speaker 2>and spun it into success. Those are all people when

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<v Speaker 2>I think of them on The Housewives, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>of them as sloppy, drunk messes.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. You're so right, You're so right. Like Bethany, Yeah,

472
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<v Speaker 1>never really see her drunker out of control.

473
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<v Speaker 2>She made the money off of alcohol. But she's interesting. Yeah,

474
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<v Speaker 2>not that I don't think she drinks, But I'm just

475
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<v Speaker 2>saying it's like she was never like her Heather, Teresa,

476
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<v Speaker 2>and it was Nini. They always kept it together because

477
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<v Speaker 2>they knew they were playing the long game of this

478
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<v Speaker 2>show and if you want to fuck up on these shows,

479
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.759
<v Speaker 2>it's like, to me, one of the biggest recks. And

480
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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the saddest cases is like a

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<v Speaker 2>Sonia or a Shannon Badoor and agree always alcohol being

482
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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line, And you know, I think like chicken

483
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<v Speaker 2>or the egg. I don't know. It's kind of like

484
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<v Speaker 2>when you have like a friend who ends up in

485
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<v Speaker 2>like a really bad relationship, but you're like, yeah, they

486
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<v Speaker 2>were always kind of a fucking pain in the ass themselves.

487
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<v Speaker 2>So it's like it's more it's less chicken in the

488
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<v Speaker 2>egg and more perfect storm, more like they meet their match. Well,

489
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read you a couple of some sober celebrities,

490
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<v Speaker 2>which I think is really interesting, and you stop me

491
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<v Speaker 2>if I get to somebody who's like surprising to you,

492
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:50.279
<v Speaker 2>and I love On these lists sometimes they name people

493
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<v Speaker 2>who just don't drink, not who got some. Joe Biden,

494
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<v Speaker 2>like he's a tea toddler. Also he's like ninety five.

495
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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad he's not drinking. But have you ever seen

496
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<v Speaker 2>that man take it to a bowl of ice cream? Okay, so,

497
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<v Speaker 2>Elton John, we all know this. Elton John, like sponsors, guys,

498
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<v Speaker 2>did you watch the Billy Joel documentary by the way,

499
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<v Speaker 2>No should I? It was really good. I really really

500
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<v Speaker 2>liked it.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's a thing where Elton John basically got really

502
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<v Speaker 1>pissed at Billy Joel. Later in their career they started

503
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<v Speaker 1>touring together and Elton John was like, oh, hell no,

504
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<v Speaker 1>you're an alcoholic, like you need help, And then Billy

505
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<v Speaker 1>Joel got real pissed at Elton John judging him.

506
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<v Speaker 2>But I'm on Elton John's side. Okay, Rumor Willis, did

507
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<v Speaker 2>you know that? No? But that tracks does it? Okay?

508
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<v Speaker 1>In twenty Monny, she celebrated four years of sobriety.

509
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<v Speaker 2>Awesome. If your formative years were around Ashton Kutcher, it's

510
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna fuck you out. You're true true? Okay?

511
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<v Speaker 1>Oh should I a twain? But she's just a teetotaler,

512
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<v Speaker 1>so screw her and Tyler the creator. Okay, zach Efron,

513
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<v Speaker 1>did you know this one.

514
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<v Speaker 2>Went to?

515
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<v Speaker 1>You have been twenty thirteen? Been sober ever since?

516
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<v Speaker 2>Mm? Oh, you're not? When I see it. I don't

517
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<v Speaker 2>know if I'm sure about that. I don't know how

518
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<v Speaker 2>sure I am about that. Okay. Tyra Banks, Oh no,

519
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Tyra Banks is just a teetotaler and no scream, right,

520
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 2>and you know what, she's a control freak. And I

521
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>say that with love. She's a control freak. So she

522
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't drink. That's smart. That's like Kim Kardashian doesn't doesn't

523
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 2>drink a lot, and that's the same thing. It's that

524
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 2>locked in control Heather Debro style. Okay, okay. It's just

525
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>interesting though that Heather debro.

526
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<v Speaker 1>Is constantly drinking the espresso martinis but not getting drunk.

527
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<v Speaker 2>She takes I bet she. I bet she nurses that

528
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>damn thing the whole night. Yep.

529
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Anne probably does like a bunch of cocaine.

530
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<v Speaker 2>I hope.

531
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<v Speaker 1>So, Okay, Kristin Davis, did you know that Sex and

532
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the City she's sober like she's aa girl. Yes, many

533
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<v Speaker 1>many years.

534
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.079
<v Speaker 2>That's probably how she kept the peace for so long

535
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>on Sex and the City with everybody, because you know,

536
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>like that was some fucking that was you know, her

537
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.839
<v Speaker 2>and Cynthia Nixon. We're just like in the trailers being like,

538
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:13.519
<v Speaker 2>can you believe this shit? There must have been so

539
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:19.440
<v Speaker 2>much serenity, prayer happening. God grant me the serenity. Yeah absolutely.

540
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh by the way, yeah, I think that fucking mel

541
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Robbins just ripped off the serenity prayer with the let

542
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>them theory. Oh my god, they'll let them bugs me

543
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.839
<v Speaker 2>so much. I hate it. I just was listening to

544
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>her on a podcast and I was like, this is

545
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:39.839
<v Speaker 2>this is dangerous. It doesn't mean anything anything. It's just like,

546
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<v Speaker 2>I guess if you're a codependent or whatever and you're

547
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<v Speaker 2>you know, that would be like a good mantra for

548
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<v Speaker 2>if you're codependent and you're like, just let them do

549
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 2>what they're gonna do. But even then, like, okay, so

550
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>what does that mean exactly? Well, I'll tell you this.

551
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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I found really interesting. And I

552
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<v Speaker 2>know this is not what you invited me on the podcast,

553
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:05.039
<v Speaker 2>but I just this let them thing is driving me insane.

554
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>So she was saying like a lot of her research

555
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<v Speaker 2>that she a lot of the work that she does

556
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<v Speaker 2>now because she's by the way, she's not like a

557
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<v Speaker 2>Brene Brown, who is a you know, researcher PhD. She

558
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<v Speaker 2>went like, she's a law she went to law school,

559
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>which is great. She's like a former criminal prosecutor. I

560
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know, okay, yeah, but like still so she's like

561
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my research comes from this like such

562
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<v Speaker 2>and such doctor and this guy is a child psychiatrist.

563
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<v Speaker 2>So like when she's applying these theories of how to

564
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<v Speaker 2>approach these things, a lot of what she says is like,

565
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<v Speaker 2>you know, if the kid wants to play video games,

566
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<v Speaker 2>let them play video games and whatever. But then she

567
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<v Speaker 2>takes the concept and she applies it to adults, and

568
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, here's the thing. A lot of your

569
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>stuff is like from a child psychiatrist, so it works

570
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<v Speaker 2>on children. And then she's on the podcast with Kara

571
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<v Speaker 2>Swisher being like, well, this is how you should approach

572
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<v Speaker 2>the was Scott Galloway, and this is how to approach

573
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<v Speaker 2>it with your mom using these techniques. I'm like, these

574
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>are techniques for children, right, And by the way, I

575
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know that let them play video games is also

576
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the best approach even with kids. Well she's like like,

577
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>these kids know that they're fucking up, and so like

578
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>basically like just just let them and if you if

579
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.720
<v Speaker 2>you Basically her whole thing is like if you push

580
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>a kid too hard, like they will never change. And

581
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't like totally disagree with that, but not every

582
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<v Speaker 2>kid is like that. Some like there are things that

583
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<v Speaker 2>for example, my mom used to threaten to take away

584
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 2>my hair dryer, and guess what that worked for me.

585
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>She'd be like, I'm gonna take away your hair dryer

586
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<v Speaker 2>if you don't do your homework, and I'd be like,

587
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<v Speaker 2>all right, here we go. Like she hadn't heard of

588
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>mel Robbins saying let them, let them not do their homework.

589
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh anyway, I guess okay. Jada Pinkett, did you know that?

590
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>She's sober? Like sober? Sober? Okay, a little bit of

591
00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 2>a control freak too, I think, but.

592
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, she says that her quote in this article

593
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<v Speaker 1>is drinking red wine for me was like drinking glasses

594
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<v Speaker 1>of water. I think back on my life like I'm

595
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<v Speaker 1>a walking miracle, no doubt about that.

596
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that sounds like a real that sounds like real sobriety, okay.

597
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Christina Ricci, did you know that? Yeah? You quit? Yeah?

598
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Naomi Campbell sober she and she says there were times

599
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<v Speaker 1>I thought I wouldn't survive. I used to have a

600
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of problems, amongst others, I drank too much. Then

601
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<v Speaker 1>she says she's not anonymous. I joined alcoholics anonymous to

602
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>get sober. Lana del Rey sober. Leona Lewis sober. It's

603
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 1>not me if I get to somebody interesting Lucy Hale,

604
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<v Speaker 1>do you know that that I.

605
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<v Speaker 2>Did know because I'm a big for an adult woman,

606
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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big pretty little Liars fan, and I fuck

607
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>with that, you know. And she was one of the

608
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<v Speaker 2>people who, like I remember her being like, it's been

609
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<v Speaker 2>a year and like, you know, I think what happens

610
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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of people is they go into it

611
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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, I'm gonna see where this is. In fact,

612
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine just was saying this yesterday, like

613
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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was like, I'm gonna try it out,

614
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 2>and then it just kept going and going and going.

615
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's like one of the biggest things

616
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<v Speaker 2>is that like once you get past like six or

617
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<v Speaker 2>seven months too, there's a shift, even if you're not

618
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>like somebody who really needs AA, but there's just like

619
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<v Speaker 2>a shift after six or seven months without drinking. And

620
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<v Speaker 2>I think with you at their comes and it's really good.

621
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<v Speaker 2>It feels really good. Yeah. I mean for me, I'm

622
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<v Speaker 2>definitely one of those people that even though I was

623
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<v Speaker 2>pretty functional from the outside looking in, I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I was functional at that point. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I really needed you know, I was I

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<v Speaker 2>hit a bottom. I hit a Oh god, this is horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel humiliated, like I can't drink again.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was really I felt really sad about it

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<v Speaker 1>and really like, I don't know how I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do this. I mean, drinking is such a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of my life, which is indicative of an alcohol problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I think for me, by the time I

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<v Speaker 1>hit a year, I was like, oh, okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that, like why people do this? I get

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<v Speaker 1>that this is achievable if I can be inspirational for anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that it became so easy. It's just that

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<v Speaker 1>new habits take time. So once you really get into

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<v Speaker 1>the habit of not drinking and going to like an

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<v Speaker 1>event and not having a drink in your head. But

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<v Speaker 1>now I think it's even easier because there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>non alcoholic options right especially.

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<v Speaker 2>In California, I think, And that's I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of it. Is like these women when they're

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<v Speaker 2>drinking like this, it's like, you don't have to do this. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Eva Mendez, did you know that I did? Yeah? Calvin Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>did you know that one. Roba Like, he doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like a real person to me. He feels like he

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<v Speaker 2>was like made an AI or something. He's like an

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<v Speaker 2>AI prototype. Oh what about Daniel Radcliffe? We love him? WHOA. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they were probably getting bombed on the Harry Potter set.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably what it is like. Those kids are probably

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<v Speaker 2>getting fucked up every day, Like you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they were like we only go to school for

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<v Speaker 2>two and a half hours and then like fuck around

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<v Speaker 2>already our asses off. Yeah, is there anybody you can

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<v Speaker 2>think of off the top of your head that what

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<v Speaker 2>was surprising to you? I mean, Blake Lively, did you

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<v Speaker 2>know that? Oh? She just says that she not only

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<v Speaker 2>does she not drink alcohol, she's never touched drugs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's off, He's she's a tea toddler or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't Yeah, I'm not down with that. I don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get it. Also, she has a alcoholic beverage line. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a weird thing. Remember when j Low was

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<v Speaker 2>married to Ben Affleck actually married to him recently, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's a sober alcoholic. Maybe he was going back and forth,

666
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<v Speaker 2>but he was definitely trying to be sober and she

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<v Speaker 2>started an alcohol line, so that's what you do to

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<v Speaker 2>be supportive to your husband. But she's a famous non

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<v Speaker 2>drinker too, I know, so what's the point. Why would

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<v Speaker 2>you do that? Why would you have to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>She loves a check Like that's you know, I'm reading

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<v Speaker 2>Gwyneth Paltrow's autoboy not autobiography, biography, uh, you know, authorized biography,

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<v Speaker 2>and like one of the biggest, like my biggest takeaway

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<v Speaker 2>so far is like just that girl loves to see

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<v Speaker 2>a check hit out, Like and I think, like we

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<v Speaker 2>underestimate how much people just love money. I love it

677
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<v Speaker 2>me too. I don't have enough of it, never have,

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<v Speaker 2>probably never will. But like so many of these people,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're like, why would they do that, like Blake

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<v Speaker 2>Lively with the alcohol line, it's like, because they just

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<v Speaker 2>really love to see a check cash. Yeah, you know what,

682
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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't say that you're never gonna be rich. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to manifest that shit, you know what. You're so right.

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<v Speaker 2>Mel Robbins would say the exact same thing, or she'd

685
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<v Speaker 2>be like, no, let them be broke. I won't allow

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<v Speaker 2>you to be broke, Meredith. Let's promote the shit out

687
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<v Speaker 2>of what you're doing. Okay, you got oddly specific. I do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have my TikTok and my Instagram and I

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<v Speaker 2>m lynch that's how that's how you find her on

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<v Speaker 2>the TikTok. What are we up to, followers wise? It's

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<v Speaker 2>getting up there. I think I'm like three twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram. No TikTok on TikTok Okay, yeah, and and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, having funnel all along the way after you

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<v Speaker 2>after this comes out, it's going to be three twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh listen, I can dream now what was I

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say? It's going to be like three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty three? Oh two? Is okay? All right, I'll listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take what I can get, okay. So what are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing over on TikTok? You're doing like fun videos

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<v Speaker 2>where you kind of get into arguments with some celebrities,

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<v Speaker 2>point out stuff that needs to be pointed out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we did a lot around the Bezos wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>I did get into a fight with Eva Longoria's sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, yeah, you just I think he tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about that real quick. Oh yeah, I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that Evil Longoria did not attend the bezos

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<v Speaker 2>wedding is because I called the shit out of her.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, yes, so why did did our sister have a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, they were not happy. I mean, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't hang out with Jeff Bezos and then get

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<v Speaker 2>on social media and be like I don't understand why

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is the or not even Trump, but like why

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<v Speaker 2>ice raids are happening. I'm like, well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You could ask your friend who you were with over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. So anyway, I just I had a few

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<v Speaker 2>choice words for her, and she, like her sister, did

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<v Speaker 2>not like that. But Lauren Bezos now Bezos has me

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<v Speaker 2>blocked on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a compliment. You must feel very important.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I was like, she'd like shut down your

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon account.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Probably she didn't block me on my

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<v Speaker 2>burner though, like she so I can still check her out,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's kind of like there's nothing that interesting about her.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you know, I do a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>celebrity pop culture stuff and a little lifestyle and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of across the board. It's been a it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a quiet summer here at Team Lynch, but we

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<v Speaker 2>are We're starting to you know, school starts tomorrow for

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<v Speaker 2>uh at Stephanie's house, and I think also for me too.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get our asses back in gear.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, well it's been lovely and I

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<v Speaker 1>just want you to be like a regular on this

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this honor, just like you are on my

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<v Speaker 1>other podcast for Crying Out Loud also Rose Prigs, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of I have a lot of podcasts. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, Meredith. Go follow her and I

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<v Speaker 1>will see you guys next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye. It's going good.