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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, guess what day it is. Guess what day it is?

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<v Speaker 3>Huh anybody, It's hump Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Big Blue and sidet ar Dick Gabriel

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<v Speaker 2>with you on a Wednesday. Yes, it is hump Day

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<v Speaker 2>and that means that on a Wednesday, we talk with

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<v Speaker 2>our unforgettable guard Sean Woods. Also Westend Bureau chief Gary Moore.

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<v Speaker 2>That's coming up in our number two. We usually talk

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<v Speaker 2>with Aaron Gershan of the Cat's pause midweek. He is

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<v Speaker 2>traveling on vacation. He'll be back with us on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>so a little bit later on we'll talk with the

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<v Speaker 2>head coach, or the Hall of Fame head coach, Keith Madison,

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<v Speaker 2>who of course coached the Wildcats for so many years

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<v Speaker 2>and now remains active in college baseball and as such,

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<v Speaker 2>was that the College World Series for a while. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just back. He does have a tale to tell about

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<v Speaker 2>coming home, air travel, cancel flights and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But more than anything, I want to hear him talk

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<v Speaker 2>about his interaction action with the Murray State Racers, who

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<v Speaker 2>of course have been eliminated, but they were a great

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<v Speaker 2>story in Omaha. Now the great story is the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you've got Coastal Carolina still alive, and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>like to be referred to as Cinderella because they've been

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<v Speaker 2>there multiple times and they won the championship a few

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. They're in the final four, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>they are playing the Louisville Cardinals this afternoon in an

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<v Speaker 2>elimination game that would maybe over by the time we

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<v Speaker 2>take the air. My apologies, we do pre record. As

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Louisville has to beat Coastal twice. So if

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<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals do manage to beat the Chanta Clears this afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll play again tomorrow. Coming up this evening Arkansas LSU.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another elimination game because LSU beat Arkansas earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>the tournament. The Razorbacks have to beat LSU a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times. They'll play again tomorrow if necessary. The finals

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<v Speaker 2>are Saturday, Sunday, Monday, depending on what happens in a

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<v Speaker 2>three game series. But Coastal Carolina again is a team

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<v Speaker 2>that's chock full of confidence on a long heater right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's twenty five straight games. Arkansas is in

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<v Speaker 2>great shape, first of all, beating UCLA last night seven

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<v Speaker 2>to three. It was seven to nothing to the last inning,

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<v Speaker 2>UCLA put up three, but Arkansas cruised for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>But Arkansas pitching has been cruising since the kid threw

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<v Speaker 2>the no hitter and saved the bullpen. Save the entire bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a key in tournaments like this, and again

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas cannot lose again. Arkansas has already lost once in

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<v Speaker 2>w LIMB. Same with Louisville, which beat Oregon State another

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<v Speaker 2>crazy game. Oregon State was down six to three, put

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<v Speaker 2>up three in the top of the ninth, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville loaded the bases with nobody out, got a sackfly

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<v Speaker 2>from Eddie King, the hottest player in the tournament, and

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<v Speaker 2>walked it off against Oregon State. But that inning began

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm texting my buddies in the text Shane with

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<v Speaker 2>a walk. You just can't walk the leadoff hitter, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in a situation like that. But it was not a

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<v Speaker 2>clean game, both teams making errors. But Louisville wins it.

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville survives and like I said, could be eliminated by now,

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<v Speaker 2>but if it beats Coastal this afternoon, it will play

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<v Speaker 2>again tomorrow night. We'll talk a lot of college baseball

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with Keith Madison. But I also want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Sean Woods about Colin Chandler, who spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>the media this week. And he, of course is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who is going to make a jump from year

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<v Speaker 2>one to year two that I think is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be really terrific. But where does he fit in to

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Pope's ball club. So we'll talk about that with

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<v Speaker 2>Sean coming up a little bit later on. Speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Pope's team, Trent Noah talked to the media this week.

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<v Speaker 2>They're bringing the players to us now here in the

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<v Speaker 2>off season, which is great. And Noah talked to assembled

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<v Speaker 2>reporters about what it's like now that pre season pre

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<v Speaker 2>pre preseason practices have begun.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it is ramping up on early impression. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like it'll be just like last year. I

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<v Speaker 4>think the BBN will fall in love with helping new guys,

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<v Speaker 4>especially coach Pobru again excellent human beings once again, so

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<v Speaker 4>that always makes it even better and more enjoyable to

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a great comment. Now the BBN will fall

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<v Speaker 2>in love with these new players, And of course it's

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who grew up at Kentucky fan grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in Harlan knows the BBN inside and out in Trentoa,

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<v Speaker 2>who I really believe will be kind of the Swiss

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<v Speaker 2>Army Knife for this team. He can play in the backcourt,

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<v Speaker 2>he's strong enough to play in the front court, he

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<v Speaker 2>can shoot it, and of course instantly a fan favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think he's a guy who will really really

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<v Speaker 2>produce in a number of ways for Mark Pope. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he'll ever be a starter at Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>He might be, He'll get bigger, he'll get stronger, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think this coming year, as I said, he'll be

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<v Speaker 2>a great uti player for Mark Pope. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>as popular as Travis Perry, his buddy, his roommate, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy he faced off against in the Sweet sixteen championship

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<v Speaker 2>game a couple of years ago. Travis Perry chose to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he had said or indicated he was staying.

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<v Speaker 2>Trent Noah immediately said I'm coming back, and he talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the fact that it never occurred to him to

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<v Speaker 2>leave UK.

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<v Speaker 4>No no this is this is the greatest place on earth.

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<v Speaker 4>And I love coach Coach Poe's vision for me, and

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<v Speaker 4>he sees kind of the same path that I see.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what we're looking to do this year and

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<v Speaker 4>on the way win number nine.

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<v Speaker 2>The greatest place on Earth, says Trent Noah and the

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<v Speaker 2>vision mark Pope has for no He's talked about him

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<v Speaker 2>more than once. It's been in general generalities basically, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he just talked about how much he loves

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<v Speaker 2>Trent Noah and is excited about his future. And as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Pope is basically said. He didn't use the

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<v Speaker 2>same term, but he's basically said he looks at at

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<v Speaker 2>Noah as the all around player. He can guard a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit as well. He's got to get better at everything,

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<v Speaker 2>so does everybody. But I think that he is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who will keep paying dividends to the Wildcats. And

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe again, when he was in high school

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<v Speaker 2>the great advantage he had. He's a bigger guy, taller

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<v Speaker 2>than most of the kids he's playing against, but with

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<v Speaker 2>so much stronger physically stronger. He could bring the ball

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<v Speaker 2>up the floor and work his way to the rim

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<v Speaker 2>as well as anybody I saw in the Sweet sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>that year. And that's saying a lot. So yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>excited to see what Trent Noah can do. The UK

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<v Speaker 2>women have released the schedule for upcoming SEC games. For

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<v Speaker 2>the upcoming year, Kentucky's home and away opponent is Vanderbilt.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a plus, it's not Tennessee. Home games include South

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina which will be huge, Florida, Georgia, Ole, miss Missou,

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<v Speaker 2>A and M and Oklahoma. But on the road now,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to go to Texas, Gotta go to Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>The other ones are the A teams Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn,

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<v Speaker 2>along with the LSU and Mississippi State. Kentucky last year

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<v Speaker 2>under Kenny Brooks, who's going to be on the show

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<v Speaker 2>with Us tomorrow. The UK head coach Wildcats win eleven

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<v Speaker 2>and five in the SEC, and Kenny Brooks's first year

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<v Speaker 2>in the league. Of course, he had Georgia Amore who

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<v Speaker 2>was gone, but he's had Clara Strack, who's coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>UK had the best scoring margin in SEC regular season action,

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<v Speaker 2>winning by an average of eight and a half points.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the best since twenty twelve thirteen, and the

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<v Speaker 2>best scoring defense in the SEC regular season, giving up

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<v Speaker 2>only sixty five point eight points per game. Wildcats won

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<v Speaker 2>eight SEC games by at least fourteen points, second most

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<v Speaker 2>in a single season in program history about that. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to go back to twenty oh nine to ten

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<v Speaker 2>for a team that had eight such wins. So this

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<v Speaker 2>team could score, this team could defend, had its best

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<v Speaker 2>field goal percent of defense and SEC regular season action

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<v Speaker 2>since at least two to three. But new faces. I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the kids who were gone, specifically Georgia Amore.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you talk about defense with Clara Strack in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle defensive Player of the Year for the SEC,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're well ahead of the game right there.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll talk more about that with Kenny Brooks tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>on the Big Blue Insider up NEX. Speaking of women's basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the WNBA is quickly getting out

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<v Speaker 2>of hand and it's just gotten ugly. Yes, and involves

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<v Speaker 2>Kaitlin Clark. No, she's not innocent in all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>but they got to figure this out or else they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to kill the Golden Goose. Look, it's a popular

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<v Speaker 2>game right now, it's it's in't popular, but even more

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<v Speaker 2>so because of Caitlin Clark, and she's bringing attention to

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<v Speaker 2>all these other great players they have in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I said before, the players who are attacking

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlyn Clark literally are cutting off their respective noses or

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<v Speaker 2>collective noses. Despite their face, she is the rising tide

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<v Speaker 2>that's raising all the boats. Everybody's looking at a better life,

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<v Speaker 2>better money, better salaries, and they got to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how to peacefully coexist and still be competitive. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that on the other side of the break. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it with Shawn Woods as well. Here on

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Blue Sider six thirty WLAP Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Blue Insider. Coming up in hour number two,

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Madison, the Hall of Fame UK coach, just back

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<v Speaker 2>from Omaha where he had a chance to interact with

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<v Speaker 2>the Murray State Racers. We'll hear about that also. West

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<v Speaker 2>End Bureau Chief Gary Moore coming up as well. In

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<v Speaker 2>just a few minutes. We will talk with Shawn Woods,

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<v Speaker 2>the Unforgettable Guard, about a number of things. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna ask him as well about the WNBA, and he

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<v Speaker 2>he is a Kentuckian at heart. But we have talked

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<v Speaker 2>before about the the Caitlin Clark situation and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that things have gotten pretty messy within the WNBA, and

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<v Speaker 2>it really, really took hold. Last night, there were some

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<v Speaker 2>ugly moments when the Indiana Fever were playing the Connecticut

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<v Speaker 2>Sun and in the third quarter, Clark was fouled. She

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<v Speaker 2>took a finger to the eye, got poked in the

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<v Speaker 2>eye by J. C. Sheldon. I mean it was pretty flagrant.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Clark threw an elbow at Sheldon, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it laying down. Well, that escalated and Tina Charles came in,

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<v Speaker 2>tried to mediate the situation, but a player named Marina

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<v Speaker 2>Maybray came flying in and kind of cross body blocked

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin Clark knocked her to the floor, so they finally,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a separated everybody. Sheldon got a flagrant one. Maybray, Clark,

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<v Speaker 2>and Charles all were given technical fouls, but Maybury was

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<v Speaker 2>not ejected from the game, and later on the crew

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<v Speaker 2>chief told the Indianapolis Star that the actions did not

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<v Speaker 2>to the level of an ejection, did not meet the

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<v Speaker 2>criteria for a flagrant foul penalty two. But that's not

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<v Speaker 2>where it ended. Forty six seconds left to go in

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<v Speaker 2>the game, there was a breakaway. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, Indiana was up sixteen points with sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>seconds left, and there was a breakaway by Sheldon. She's

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<v Speaker 2>driving in for a layup. Sophie Cunningham of Indiana comes

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<v Speaker 2>And the analyst is Debbie Antonelli, who's been on our

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<v Speaker 2>of the Hall of Fame as a broadcaster, as a

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin Clark, but more than anything, a fan of the WNBA.

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<v Speaker 2>And she hates what she sees. And here's we got another.

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<v Speaker 5>Great us here as Jessey Sheldon goes right after Sophie

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<v Speaker 2>There was a hard found, no question.

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<v Speaker 5>He claimed to be all on the officials tonight. It

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<v Speaker 5>is totally their responsibility. That's a heart foul, that's a flavor.

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<v Speaker 5>Taken care of the business earlier, we would be in

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<v Speaker 5>this situation right now. Well, you can't object her because

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve players were rejected, as I said, but it never

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<v Speaker 2>been physical play, there's always been you know, smack talking

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<v Speaker 2>in the WNBA, but it has been heightened because of

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<v Speaker 2>the awareness of Caitlyn Clark. But also we've talked in

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<v Speaker 2>the past the jealousy of some players, the resentment. But

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<v Speaker 2>game in the WNBA. Diana Tarassi, who was a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great player and a great smack talker, she warned Caitlin

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<v Speaker 2>Clark quote reality is coming when she basically said doing

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<v Speaker 2>it against college players is one thing, but doing it

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<v Speaker 2>in the pro league is another. And she's right. And

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<v Speaker 2>let's get this straight. Caitlyn Clark is a trash talker.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a trash talker in college, a good one

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<v Speaker 2>and a great player, one of the all time great

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<v Speaker 2>and she brought that to the pro game. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be back and forth like this. Look, Larry Bird,

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<v Speaker 2>she has compared a lot to Larry Bird being that

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<v Speaker 2>she is playing in the state of Indiana. She's white.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a great outside shooter and a trash talker. And

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Bird wasn't the only trash talker in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of the best. Now, what's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fun on the internet is to hear NBA venterans tell

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<v Speaker 2>stories of Larry Bird and his trash talking was such

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<v Speaker 2>that he would tell a guy, I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 2>the ball, dribble twice, and go up and shoot, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was nothing they could do about it. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>great story out there about a key game where the

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<v Speaker 2>Celtics called the time out, tried to call to play

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<v Speaker 2>for somebody else, and Larry Bird stopped and said, just

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<v Speaker 2>And when he came out of the huddle, I think

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<v Speaker 2>Barkley told his story. He told them what he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to do and went out and did it and

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<v Speaker 2>won the game. So Clark is not innocent of all this.

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<v Speaker 2>But what happened in this game, poking her in the

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<v Speaker 2>eye and then a blind side hit from out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 2>It's all there on the internet if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go look for it. Is ridiculous and I bring this

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<v Speaker 2>up simply because that I've said before. These players are

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<v Speaker 2>independent contractors and they're stupid for doing this. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if this offends them, but to think of Caitlin

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<v Speaker 2>Clark as the golden Goose is not out of line

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<v Speaker 2>because ever since she joined the league. And you can

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<v Speaker 2>resent her, you can be jealous. What you should do

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<v Speaker 2>is take advantage as a professional contractor take advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>the situation. Make more money, get better deals. You've already

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<v Speaker 2>got charter flights now thanks to her. Don't just resent

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that now the league's getting more attention. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>the league, the NBA wasn't getting enough attention before Bird

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<v Speaker 2>and Magic took cold and they had great players, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the championship round was on delayed television. Believe

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<v Speaker 2>and Bird changed all that was their resentment. Probably did

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<v Speaker 2>people attack them physically, not just because of that. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they did it because that was part of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>That is part of the women's game. But you got

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<v Speaker 2>to stop of this nonsense. It is ridiculous. Before we

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<v Speaker 2>seven Sports In the cast pause, the Wildcats get a

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<v Speaker 2>commitment from a linebacker from Pennsylvania, Max Mooring. Sixth commitment

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<v Speaker 2>of the month of June, seventh overall, and a tip

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<v Speaker 2>of the Big bullon Sider Cap two of the Florida Panthers.

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<v Speaker 2>They have won the NBA Championship, Sam Reinhardt four goals

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<v Speaker 2>leading the Panthers past the Oilers in Game six. This

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<v Speaker 2>makes back to back titles for the Florida Panthers. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, a team from Florida winning once again the

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<v Speaker 2>NHL title over a bunch of guys from Canada. Thus

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<v Speaker 2>the BD I thank you, thank you very much. Shawn

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<v Speaker 2>Wood's next on six point thirty WLAP Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Blue Insider, joining us as he does each

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<v Speaker 2>and every Wednesday, schedule permitting, is the unforgettable guard Shawn Woods,

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<v Speaker 2>his jersey hangs in the raptors of Ruppy. Is also

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<v Speaker 2>the head coach at Scott County High School. And we

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot to talk about coach, even though we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of June. But of course the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>Playoffs are still going on. But basketball is three sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five here in the state of Kentucky and Indiana your

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<v Speaker 2>home state, and let's start with that. You're Indiana Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love seeing ABA teams doing well, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just cannot root for the Pacers. I hated him so

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<v Speaker 2>much when I was a kid. But I'll be okay

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<v Speaker 2>with it if they win. However, Tyrese Hallibert is hobbled, Sean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they can win unless he's one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he can get back to one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's gonna be tough day. I mean, he's the

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<v Speaker 6>straw that stirs their coffee, and right now, you know

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<v Speaker 6>he's not healthy, and I don't think the Patiers have

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<v Speaker 6>a chance, Like you said, if he's not one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean they struggle with him just beating sixty percent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>he has to be on it for them to have

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<v Speaker 6>a chance against Okay, see, if he's not, we may

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<v Speaker 6>be looking at a new world champion in the NBA

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<v Speaker 6>coming out of Oklahoma and two more guys from the

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<v Speaker 6>universe of Kentucky that's gonna get rings.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, speaking of speaking of him not one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent you're you're struggling a bit today, I know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you playing hurt.

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<v Speaker 6>My boy, my voice, my voice is kind of down

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit. I'm trying to get it back in

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<v Speaker 6>shape from coaching. So it's all right, But no.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, shake Yelgas, Alexander Case and Wallace and you

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<v Speaker 2>know what's great as SGA gets the headlines. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just read a big article on the Athletic about the

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<v Speaker 2>defenders for OKC and each guy has individual skills, individual trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of them were free agents. Now, Wallace was a

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<v Speaker 2>first round draft pick, but when he was here at

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky he started to blossom. He got through some injuries

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<v Speaker 2>and started to bloss him a little bit late. May

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<v Speaker 2>have been misused, as it turns out, by Caliperry, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's easy to say in hindsight. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>Seawan that anybody who looked at him at Kentucky. We

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<v Speaker 2>knew he could play defense. There were times he's at

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<v Speaker 2>their guard in the other team's point guard. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know that he could be this effective of a defender

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<v Speaker 2>in the NBA. But that's just something they've got to learn,

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<v Speaker 2>don't they. At the next level.

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<v Speaker 6>This defense is a mentality, and you got to be

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<v Speaker 6>an ultimate competitor. And in the NBA, everybody can't be

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<v Speaker 6>the man. So how do you get a check? How

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<v Speaker 6>do you get how do you prosper in the NBA

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<v Speaker 6>if you're not the guy? The easiest and the most

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<v Speaker 6>proficient way to stay on the NBA roster is to

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<v Speaker 6>be a lockdown defender. And he's found his way to

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<v Speaker 6>be that, and he's become elite. And those guys are

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<v Speaker 6>hard to come by. And there's if you show me

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<v Speaker 6>the teams there are big time teams. I'll show your

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<v Speaker 6>team that has big time defenders. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 6>the main reasons why Oklahoma City and the Indiana Pacers

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<v Speaker 6>are in the finals, because they're two of the best

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<v Speaker 6>defensive teams in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, which flies directly in the face of college

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<v Speaker 2>basketball fans. You'd like to see, Well, they don't play

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<v Speaker 2>defense in the NBA. You know, it's a different style

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<v Speaker 2>and a different brand of basketball. The rules are different.

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<v Speaker 2>They get away with more physicality in the NBA. But

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<v Speaker 2>I always say, and I didn't make this up. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to see NBA basketball no defense, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>All Star game, and yeah, I'm sure if you watch

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<v Speaker 2>bad teams play, you watch bad defense. But I told

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine the othernet, I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>good teams play good defense. It's easy to say, difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to do, but yeah, you know, Okay and Okac came

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<v Speaker 2>in rightfully so with the rep of being a great

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<v Speaker 2>defensive team. I thought Indiana was underrated defensively, didn't you.

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<v Speaker 6>I never thought Indiana's underrated because I watched them. They

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<v Speaker 6>were underrated as far as offensive efficiency because they're not

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<v Speaker 6>fun to watch from an offensive standpoint. Yeah, but they

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<v Speaker 6>win because they're solid as a route on offense. But

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<v Speaker 6>they're very, very tenacious and super solid on defense.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that one of the reasons people might say

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<v Speaker 2>that as well is when the Warriors were having their

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<v Speaker 2>run and they were so much fun to watch with

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<v Speaker 2>the extra pass and the three point shooting, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what stood out they I felt like their defense was underappreciated.

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<v Speaker 2>Started with Raymond Green, and say what you will about him,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a real key for them. So keep

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<v Speaker 2>that in mind when you're watching the regular season, not

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<v Speaker 2>just the playoffs. When it comes to defense in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys are just so good. They can get to

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<v Speaker 2>the rim. But it's just you got to pick your

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<v Speaker 2>spots when you're playing defense, and these two teams in

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<v Speaker 2>the finals are doing just that. While we're talking pro

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<v Speaker 2>ball in Indiana, we got to talk about Kaylyn Clark

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<v Speaker 2>and you and I have talked about her before about

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<v Speaker 2>how some of the NBWNBA players are going out to

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<v Speaker 2>sing all wrong that she is is raising everybody's level

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the money they're making and charter flights

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<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff, and yet they keep beating the

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<v Speaker 2>crap out of her. And the most recent dust up

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<v Speaker 2>involved multiple players and it started with Kaylyn Clark getting

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<v Speaker 2>poked in the eye, you know. And earlier on the show, Sean,

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<v Speaker 2>I played a clip from the one of the broadcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>just the most recent one, with former UK Sports Marketing

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<v Speaker 2>director Debbie Antonelli doing the color laying it on the officials,

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<v Speaker 2>and I agree with her. I think the officials have

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<v Speaker 2>got to get together into WNB and say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this starts with us, with the referees. They got to

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<v Speaker 2>do something to clean this up.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna be devil as

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<v Speaker 6>an advocate. Okay, Caitlin Klark ain't no Angel No, I agree. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>she talks more crap. Okay, she gives it too, She

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<v Speaker 6>gives it all right. Angel Rees got the blood of

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<v Speaker 6>that altercation. But Kitlyn Clark knocked the crap out of

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<v Speaker 6>Angel Reese and different. Anytime you get hit like that,

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<v Speaker 6>another player is going to retaliate. Okay, Angel Rees, it

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<v Speaker 6>became the bandit in that situation when Kitlyn Clark is

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<v Speaker 6>the one who clocked her first. Okay, then they talk

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<v Speaker 6>about Angel Rees got up and was gonna cheap shot

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<v Speaker 6>her of somebody. Uh, give her a puncher in a

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<v Speaker 6>face if if she wants somebody wouldnt to grab her.

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<v Speaker 6>That's that's that's blowning. Okay. The other day the other night,

420
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<v Speaker 6>when that little girl was defending Caitlyn Clark, she was

421
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<v Speaker 6>frustrating and straight and frustrating Kaitlyn Clark in that possession

422
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<v Speaker 6>and she was turning her bumping her. That was great defense.

423
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:33.400
<v Speaker 6>Caitlyn Clark got frustrated in that situation and Kitlyn Clark

424
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<v Speaker 6>threw an elbow in her face. That little girl retaliated.

425
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<v Speaker 6>But as a team, when that little girl got a

426
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<v Speaker 6>fast break and Kaitlyn Clark's teammate rightfully, so clarked her foul.

427
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<v Speaker 6>Then that started an altercation. That is just basketball. That's

428
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<v Speaker 6>at every level, your teammate's supposed to take up for you.

429
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<v Speaker 6>I remember, I remember h Call Malone when Isaiah Thomas

430
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<v Speaker 6>got pissed off and rightfully so that John Stockin made

431
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<v Speaker 6>the Olympic team before him. There was no way John

432
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<v Speaker 6>Stockton was supposed to be on the liper team before

433
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<v Speaker 6>Isaiah Thomas. But it was because of personal issues, things

434
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<v Speaker 6>like that with.

435
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<v Speaker 7>Maddie Johnson and Michael Jordan's. Okay, So, Isaiah Thomas the

436
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<v Speaker 7>first time he played against John Stockton, he torched John Stockton,

437
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:35.119
<v Speaker 7>I mean embarrassing. So what did Karmlone do? Isaiah Thomas

438
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<v Speaker 7>came in.

439
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<v Speaker 6>There, Carmlone gave him a cheap shot, elbowed him in

440
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<v Speaker 6>the head, gave him I don't know how many stitches. Okay,

441
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<v Speaker 6>that was taking up for his teammate. Okay. Now, is

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<v Speaker 6>Clayton Clark become the darling of this WNBA, No doubt

443
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<v Speaker 6>about it. Is she probably is she the faith and

444
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<v Speaker 6>making a lot of things happen for women basketball, no

445
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<v Speaker 6>doubt about it. Does she the first? No? Okay, but

446
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 6>does she talk a lot of crap, Yes she does.

447
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:16.000
<v Speaker 6>Tarrossie was the same way, maybe more. Tarossie was nasty

448
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<v Speaker 6>and she'd give it and tell you about it. Caitlyn

449
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<v Speaker 6>Clark is I watched Kaitlyn Clark and I love Caitlin Clark.

450
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<v Speaker 6>Don't get me wrong, I love her. But Caitlyn Clark

451
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<v Speaker 6>is getting away with things. And then when everybody, anybody

452
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<v Speaker 6>retaliates against her, they're the ones who are wrong. Clayland

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<v Speaker 6>Park Clark, excuse my language. I would say she's got

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<v Speaker 6>some s h I t tour, but she's got some

455
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<v Speaker 6>crap tour now, trust me. I like it. But ain't

456
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<v Speaker 6>nobody going and nobody nobody's gonna bow down tour. No, Okay.

457
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<v Speaker 6>When Larry Bird first came in the league, doctor J

458
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<v Speaker 6>and all of them went at him, but Larry Bird

459
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<v Speaker 6>would talk crap too under nobody saw. But what doctor

460
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<v Speaker 6>J goes at him or whoever else. Doctor J's the

461
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 6>mad guy. See. Kayln Clark has the Larry Bird syndrome.

462
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<v Speaker 6>She can she can uh kiss you on your sheet

463
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<v Speaker 6>and pee down your leg at the same time.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but nobody was poking Larry Bird in the eye.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Nobody was nobodyd to strong.

466
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but what they could do was they can get

467
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<v Speaker 6>under his skin. But he was. He was getting under

468
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 6>their kay Clark is getting under these these women's skin.

469
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<v Speaker 6>And is there jealousy?

470
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<v Speaker 2>They're humans, yeah, but they scrumps man, they got it.

471
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<v Speaker 2>They got to stop the tackling, you know.

472
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<v Speaker 6>Well they got to stop the tackling. They do they don't.

473
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<v Speaker 6>Don't get me wrong, but it's musty TV. Okay, there's

474
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<v Speaker 6>something to talk to me. And you are talking about.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly right. Sean Woods is the unforgettable guard. He's on

476
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<v Speaker 2>every week with us. We'll take a break, Sean can

477
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<v Speaker 2>rest his voice for a moment and talk more basketball

478
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<v Speaker 2>here on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back. We're talking with

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00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 2>the unforgettable guard, Sean Woods. He joins us each and

480
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<v Speaker 2>every week, and let's talk point guards. That is your

481
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.440
<v Speaker 2>area of expertise, well, all of basketball obviously, but that

482
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 2>was your position. Colin Chandler talked to the media this

483
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 2>week Sean, and he was a guy who really blossom

484
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>him down the stretch. And you talked about this last season,

485
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>shaking off some of the rust from imagine putting the

486
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<v Speaker 2>ball down for two years basically and coming back and

487
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>then not only playing D one ball, but playing for Kentucky.

488
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 2>And he said, I'm not sure when you know the

489
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.279
<v Speaker 2>rust came completely off, but you know he took minutes

490
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<v Speaker 2>from Travis Perry, and I think he showed that he

491
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<v Speaker 2>can help this team this coming year. He may not

492
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<v Speaker 2>be in the starting lineup, but how important do you

493
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<v Speaker 2>think he will be?

494
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<v Speaker 6>I think he'll be a good piece, He's for sure.

495
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<v Speaker 6>You know. I don't think he's a point guard, but

496
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<v Speaker 6>I think he'll be a good piece. No, he's not

497
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.440
<v Speaker 6>point guard. He's not a playmaker. You know he's a

498
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<v Speaker 6>basketball player, but he's not He's not a point guard.

499
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<v Speaker 6>He's not a guy that you you put the ball

500
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 6>in his hands and say, go run my team. He's

501
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.160
<v Speaker 6>not that that. He's not that that type of player.

502
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<v Speaker 6>What he is is he's a very complimentary player that

503
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.319
<v Speaker 6>is more athletic than you think. I think he'll shoot

504
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 6>the ball better than he did last year because he's

505
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 6>been out, so he was out so long. I think

506
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<v Speaker 6>he'll be I like him because he competes. I think

507
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 6>he plays hard. I think he'll do whatever the coach

508
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 6>asks him to do. I think he's he's gonna if

509
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.400
<v Speaker 6>Mark Pope runs more and gets out and transition more.

510
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<v Speaker 6>I think you'll see more of him. I think he's

511
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 6>much better in transition, going up and down than he

512
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<v Speaker 6>is in the half court because he's not a break

513
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.720
<v Speaker 6>you down type of guy. I don't know if he's

514
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<v Speaker 6>a not down shooter yet, but I think he's he's

515
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.359
<v Speaker 6>got length from the guard spot. I think he's competitive.

516
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<v Speaker 6>I don't know how elite he'll be on the defensive end,

517
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<v Speaker 6>but because he plays so hard, he'll be good enough.

518
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<v Speaker 6>But you know, I think he's a four year player

519
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 6>that with great personality, and sooner or later he's going

520
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 6>to become a leader on this basketball team and maybe

521
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<v Speaker 6>one of the faces just because of who he is.

522
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.519
<v Speaker 6>But we got to continue to get better players, for sure,

523
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<v Speaker 6>But he'll always be in the mix because he's solid

524
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<v Speaker 6>enough and tough enough, and I think those type of

525
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<v Speaker 6>people you win championships with when you bring other people in.

526
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<v Speaker 6>Because he'll be able to sell Mark Pope to the

527
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<v Speaker 6>new guys that's come in, especially transferst.

528
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<v Speaker 2>Clearly, Jalenlow will be, you know, the man with the

529
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<v Speaker 2>ball as long as he stays healthy, and the point

530
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<v Speaker 2>guard he transferred in from Pittsburgh. I was thinking Chandler

531
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<v Speaker 2>in terms of being a backup to Jalen Low. I

532
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 2>see what you say about him being a playmaker, but

533
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 2>you know he is still evolving, is Chandler as a

534
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>college player. But just like last year, they got to

535
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>make sure the point guard stays healthy and stays out

536
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>of foul trouble, right right.

537
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<v Speaker 6>I mean, as you saw last year, he wasn't the

538
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 6>guy they put at the point. They put Williams at

539
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 6>the point. You know, he's not a point guard, so

540
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 6>let's not say he's a point guard. He's not not

541
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.599
<v Speaker 6>even close to being a point guard. He's a good

542
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 6>guard that could come off the bench and give us

543
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 6>some energy if he's hitting shots. I think he could

544
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 6>be really good because with his athleticism, he's kind of

545
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 6>got an electric game. And I see him more so

546
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 6>as playing passing lanes, you know, doing those type of deals,

547
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 6>bringing energy. That's the type of kid I see him.

548
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<v Speaker 2>Got you, I got you. Let me ask you a

549
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit about summer basketball. About AAU ball when I

550
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:02.799
<v Speaker 2>was in high school one hundred years ago. I don't

551
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 2>know what it was like when you were, but back

552
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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, there was a rule prohibiting AAU teams

553
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<v Speaker 2>from having I think any more than three kids from

554
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<v Speaker 2>the same high school. If you can believe that or not.

555
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Is that right? Okay?

556
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<v Speaker 6>Yes, you can only have two. Actually you can only

557
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<v Speaker 6>have two.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So somewhere that changed, which was a great obviously

559
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 2>a great advantage for you know, entire high school teams

560
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>to compete at the AAU level. That's one thing. But

561
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the other is the AAU teams that are essentially constructed

562
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 2>like all star teams and Caliperi used to joke about it.

563
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd have to tell my kids, this is

564
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>an AAU ball. You got to play defense or you know,

565
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>you got to want to win. You're not going to

566
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>play another game in a couple of hours. That kind

567
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 2>of thing. As a guy who is recruited at the

568
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<v Speaker 2>D one level, coached at the D one level, and

569
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<v Speaker 2>now you're coaching high school kids who are involved with

570
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 2>AAU ball, where do you come down on that? On

571
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the value of it, it's never going to go away,

572
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 2>of course, too much money involved. But you know, we

573
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<v Speaker 2>talk all the time about kids who are AAU YouTube

574
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<v Speaker 2>All Stars, but then there's something missing when they get

575
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<v Speaker 2>to college you know, where are you on all this.

576
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<v Speaker 6>Dick AAU. Okay, In these tournaments in the summer May

577
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:33.920
<v Speaker 6>and July are super convenient for college coaches because you

578
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 6>can bring them all in together and you can watch

579
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<v Speaker 6>and you only have to be a one, maybe two

580
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 6>or three spots maybe four in July instead of going

581
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<v Speaker 6>to every high school in the country trying to find

582
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 6>a player. So it's made college recruiting more convenient. Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>Now because of that, all right, there is money involved,

584
00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 6>because these AAU tournaments are charging college coaches for five

585
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.400
<v Speaker 6>hundred dollars just to get the packet of the information

586
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 6>and the rosters, and half the time the rosters aren't right,

587
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 6>or the numbers are right, so on and so forth.

588
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 6>So it is a racket and it's not organized, okay,

589
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 6>But it's a way to a symbol a bunch of

590
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.159
<v Speaker 6>talent for days on end where everybody could be in

591
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 6>one place and watch. Okay, So that's one thing. Two,

592
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 6>there's no coaching involved. It's just showcasing talent, rolling the

593
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 6>balls out there. These AAU teams meet up on weekends.

594
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 6>They don't practice during the week, they meet up on weekends.

595
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<v Speaker 6>You may have a kid, two three kids coming from

596
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 6>this date to come join this team only on weekends

597
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 6>to play. Okay, So there's no practices, there's no fundamental

598
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 6>deals going on. Nobody's playing great defense. And that's what

599
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:58.079
<v Speaker 6>I call prep schools glorified AAU. So they're not getting

600
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 6>any coaching. They're just showing their individual talents. So kids, okay,

601
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 6>they're not being coached and not getting constructive criticism, they're

602
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 6>not being called out. So and they got college coaches,

603
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, recruiting them. So then when they come to

604
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 6>high school, all right, and the coach tries to coach

605
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:23.119
<v Speaker 6>them or don't coach them, it's it gets boring because

606
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 6>now you're going over the little things instead of just

607
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 6>hooping and playing. They their their their attentions, pay is minute.

608
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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

609
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 6>Okay. So now you go to college okay, and it's

610
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 6>more high stakes, and it's more coaching okay, and you're

611
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 6>playing against better players, and the older and better players

612
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 6>have been in those systems. They know what it's like,

613
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 6>and so that young kid gets exploited no matter how

614
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 6>talented they are. So then they get frustrated because they

615
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 6>run into a road block and they're being told that

616
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 6>they're not as good and the coach tells them, I

617
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 6>don't care what you did in high school, this is

618
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.880
<v Speaker 6>college now. Just don't want to hear that, So they

619
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 6>get deflated, and what they do they go on to

620
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 6>transfer portal because they want to be glorified. They want

621
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<v Speaker 6>to be told how good they are, instead of it's

622
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 6>being told the truth and get better. They thinking that

623
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 6>just going to a workout guy who's taking their money,

624
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.400
<v Speaker 6>making them go against cones and working on their ball

625
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.559
<v Speaker 6>handling and shooting. Okay, those are guys that they want

626
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.760
<v Speaker 6>to go to because those are guys that are telling

627
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.039
<v Speaker 6>them what they want to hear. They don't want to

628
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 6>go to a guy that's going to tell them the

629
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 6>truth and this is how you play the game of

630
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:47.559
<v Speaker 6>basketball as a team because that coach is is depending

631
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.880
<v Speaker 6>on wins and losses, so he's got to make sure

632
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.320
<v Speaker 6>that that kid knows everything that he needs to know

633
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 6>about what they do on that particular team for that

634
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 6>coach and that school to be successful. Kids don't want

635
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.239
<v Speaker 6>to hear that anymore. That's the reason why they jump

636
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 6>from here to there to there because kids don't like

637
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:07.480
<v Speaker 6>the truth.

638
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Kind of vicious circle, isn't it?

639
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.920
<v Speaker 6>Vicious is not even the words. And now you're throwing

640
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 6>money on top of it. Now you see what I'm saying,

641
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 6>and you can move. College basketball is like AAU. You

642
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 6>don't like this team if they're not giving you these

643
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 6>amount of shoes or this and that, you're going to

644
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Speaker 6>go to the next one. Same with transfer portal. If

645
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 6>I'm at this place, they're only giving me thirty thousand,

646
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.119
<v Speaker 6>and another school can give me one hundred and fifty

647
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 6>two hundred thousand a million. What do you think they're

648
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 6>gonna do? But it starts at the AAU deal because

649
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 6>they're allowed to. There's not too many rules, okay, And

650
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 6>so they looking at school just like they look at AAU.

651
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 6>And it's even in the high school rates. So when

652
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 6>does it stop? I don't know. It's a mentality. And

653
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 6>these parents are atrocious.

654
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:04.639
<v Speaker 7>Everybody I know.

655
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>We get to the P word, go ahead.

656
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, And everybody thinks their kids are pro and

657
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 6>the parents don't want to hear the constructive criticism and

658
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.039
<v Speaker 6>the truth no more than the kid does. That's right,

659
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 6>So that makes it even worse.

660
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I have clearly a scratched an itch for you,

661
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and that leaves us off at a spot where we're

662
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 2>out of time, but we will certainly pick this up

663
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 2>next week. But it is fascinating when we talk with

664
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Sean Woods, unforgettable guard, head coach at Scott County High School. Coach,

665
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:34.199
<v Speaker 2>hope your voice recovers in time for your kids to

666
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 2>hear you in full throat.

667
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 6>Hey working on it right now and getting it back

668
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 6>into shape out to two years, Dick.

669
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good to see you.

670
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 8>Take care Up next that we're number two with our

671
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 8>West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore and the coach Keith Madison,

672
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Speaker 8>Hall of Famer Fumber Wildcat mentor who's just back from

673
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:54.320
<v Speaker 8>the College World Series.

674
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.760
<v Speaker 2>He got stories to tell. He was hanging out with

675
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 2>those Murray State racers. We'll talk about that and more

676
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the news break here on

677
00:39:01.400 --> 00:40:46.079
<v Speaker 2>six thirty l eight feet. Welcome back to the Big

678
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Blue and Sider joining us now one of our favorite

679
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 2>guests as part of the chain Gang. We had him

680
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>in the garage not too long ago. But since then,

681
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Keith Madison, the Hall of Fame coach, has been to

682
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Omaha and back, which is an annual tradition. One it's

683
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 2>a true labor love. But man, coach, you were keeping

684
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 2>us up to speed. We in the textchain gang about

685
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 2>your travel just in nightmare, tell everybody what happened to you,

686
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>because everyone's had something similar, but it's always unique.

687
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:15.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

688
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 3>After two two board meetings and four great baseball games,

689
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 3>I was scheduled fly back Sunday afternoon. The flight was

690
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:33.199
<v Speaker 3>delayed first for six hours, and then after about seven

691
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 3>hours they decided to cancel the flight. The airline did

692
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 3>not have a hotel room available for us, So basically

693
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm homeless. I'm homeless in Omaha for a while there.

694
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And all the rooms are full because of baseball exactly.

695
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 3>Not only do they have a College World Series, but

696
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.719
<v Speaker 3>as you may remember, Dick, they have dozens and dozens

697
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 3>of teams, youth league teams that come in from a

698
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 3>major youth tournament. And so it's just it's just a

699
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Speaker 3>baseball crazy week in Omah, which is fun and beautiful,

700
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 3>but we're looking for a hotel room. At the last minute,

701
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 3>not so much. I was able to actually get back

702
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 3>to the Marriott and five hundred and ninety nine bucks.

703
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 3>Probably you'd probably get that room in January in Omaha

704
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 3>for about one hundred and eighty nine bucks, no question,

705
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:44.079
<v Speaker 3>No question. But anyway, I've spent many hours and my

706
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:50.360
<v Speaker 3>connections were tight. I'm having knee surgery Friday, so you know,

707
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.960
<v Speaker 3>hustling through the airports was no fun at all. Oh,

708
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 3>just trying to get all this but everybody had. You know,

709
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.199
<v Speaker 3>if you travel very much, you're going to experience that.

710
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 3>But it's just a nightmare when you when you have

711
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 3>to go through it.

712
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Well, I'm glad you're back safe and sound.

713
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>You did see some really great baseball out there, and

714
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 2>you were dealing with it and interacting with the Murray

715
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 2>State team. Excuse me? And uh, you know you've seen

716
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 2>them play in lexing In they pulled off a win here,

717
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 2>pull off a lot of wins. What was it like

718
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>being around that energy?

719
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.880
<v Speaker 3>It was tremendous. Uh. And and I tell you these guys,

720
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 3>uh just really really believed. And Dick, you've been around

721
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:43.400
<v Speaker 3>sports so much in many different sports, especially football and baseball,

722
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 3>and you can see when a team believes, and Murray

723
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 3>State really did believe. Uh. And then and then to

724
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 3>watch Coastal Carolina, I mean, they've got some really special

725
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 3>things going on with their team right now. They're such

726
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.800
<v Speaker 3>a role and are playing so very well in a

727
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.559
<v Speaker 3>year that most of us, including myself, thought, hey, you know,

728
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 3>the era of mid majors making it to Almaha is

729
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 3>probably over because of the transfer portal and in il

730
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.199
<v Speaker 3>and all that. And now we you know, suddenly we

731
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 3>have a team like Murray State that's never been there before,

732
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 3>and then a team like Coastal who wanted a few

733
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 3>years ago. But you know, everybody kind of thought teams

734
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 3>like Coastal would maybe get squeezed out because their players

735
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.639
<v Speaker 3>would be transferring to the bigger schools. But man, Coast

736
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:50.000
<v Speaker 3>of Carolina is right there with LSU and Arkansas right

737
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.559
<v Speaker 3>now in Louisville. I mean those, you know, all those

738
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.760
<v Speaker 3>teams are very good, but Coastal Carolina has that special

739
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 3>something that going on right now. And these kids just

740
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 3>don't believe they're going to lose.

741
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's more than just you know, passion. I

742
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 2>believe these guys can play. I mean they're really good.

743
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, they're they're very good.

744
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 2>And and and you know, you and Darren on the

745
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.760
<v Speaker 2>radio dugging me on TV, we talked. You know, it's

746
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.079
<v Speaker 2>it's it's baseball one on one. It's it's pitching in

747
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 2>defense as well as offense. And and we have seen that,

748
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 2>We've seen the breakdowns. You know, U of L almost

749
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.960
<v Speaker 2>let one get away, and they did let one get

750
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>away because of defense. Oregon State, you know, which made

751
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a terrible mistake late in the game. Uh in the

752
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>super regional last year here made some late any mistakes

753
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 2>and let games get away. So you got to have

754
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 2>it all and Coastal does.

755
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

756
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 3>And and it's uh, I mean what you just talked about,

757
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:59.159
<v Speaker 3>Dick is magnified, you know in Omaha. And uh, when

758
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean hit every error, every mental error, is it

759
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.559
<v Speaker 3>seems like it haunts you. Yeah, because the other teams

760
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 3>are so good they're going to take advantage of that.

761
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's it's been a it's been a really

762
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.280
<v Speaker 3>good series. It's been a except for those errors that

763
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 3>you talked about, it's been well played. And the pitching

764
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 3>is it just seems like the kitching just keeps getting better.

765
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

766
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 3>The kid that threw for Arkansas against Murray. But I

767
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 3>mean when you're when you're hit ninety seven in the

768
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 3>ninth inning, oh man, that's pretty strong. I mean, that's

769
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:44.559
<v Speaker 3>that's major league caliber right there.

770
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.239
<v Speaker 2>And what's amazing is the most challenging ball, and this

771
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 2>is a really good Murray State offense average eight plus

772
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.239
<v Speaker 2>runs a game exactly. But there was like a hard

773
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Speaker 2>hit ball of the first basement who barely had to

774
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>move to make a play, you know, hit the one

775
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.039
<v Speaker 2>kid actually hit who I did not care for that

776
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 2>call where Murray State kid lay in the game was

777
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>hit and they called him out, you know, even though

778
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 2>the ball hit him while he was in the batters

779
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.079
<v Speaker 2>by anyway, But no, that that that kid for Arkansas

780
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.199
<v Speaker 2>was tremendous. But again getting back to Murray State, we

781
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:22.039
<v Speaker 2>were talking just about, you know, how this might affect

782
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 2>that program, and I wondered too, coach, you know, going

783
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 2>back to when you had your best teams at Kentucky.

784
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 2>This was back before they had as many teams in

785
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 2>the NCAATE tournament. You know, you guys were scrambling for

786
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 2>facilities and funding at Kentucky when a few other schools

787
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>were really pouring it into baseball. Could you relate much

788
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:45.960
<v Speaker 2>to the hill Murray State was.

789
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Trying to climb, No doubt I really could. And also

790
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Dan Skirka as a young coach, and you know he's

791
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 3>been there for six years. I think he's only forty

792
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.599
<v Speaker 3>years old now, right, You know I started at Kentucky

793
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:05.760
<v Speaker 3>at twenty six years old, and so I know that

794
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 3>that clime. And he's just had tremendous points for a

795
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 3>young coach, and his teams have a tremendous or his

796
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 3>team has had a tremendous approach at the plate.

797
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

798
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 3>They really had a plan when they when they would

799
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.599
<v Speaker 3>go up to the place. And even though a lot

800
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 3>of people say, well, you know they finally caught up

801
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.800
<v Speaker 3>with the merch, they got no hit, but think about

802
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 3>what they did in the super regionals. They pounded the

803
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 3>ball against Duke and UH. And then when they get

804
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 3>to Omaha and the first and their first loss, Dick,

805
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 3>I think I counted nine hard at the ball that

806
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.960
<v Speaker 3>just didn't ball. They really were swinging it well in

807
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.320
<v Speaker 3>that first game. But they You know, baseball is a

808
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 3>cruel sport. Sometimes you can do something perfectly, square the

809
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 3>ball up and hit it perfect and it goes right

810
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 3>into someone's club.

811
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

812
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you shooted basketball perfectly, it's going to go

813
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 3>through the basket.

814
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Or you make you make a great pitch that dives

815
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.039
<v Speaker 2>away from the hitter and it fools him, but he

816
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 2>sticks his bat out and it drops in over the

817
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>first base.

818
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right. It's it could be a tough game,

819
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.599
<v Speaker 3>but at the same time it's a beautiful game. And

820
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 3>I thought Burry State played extremely well. They only everybody

821
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 3>talks about the no hitter. Arkansas only scored three runs

822
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 3>against Murray State. And Murray State, I mean Arkansas has

823
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 3>a really really good off there.

824
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Keith Madison is a Hall of Fame coach

825
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and coach the wildcast for many many years. You hear

826
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.559
<v Speaker 2>him now now every now and then with Darren Hedrick

827
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 2>on the UK Radio Network. We'll come back and talk

828
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.800
<v Speaker 2>more baseball with a coach on the other side of

829
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the break. Here on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back. We're

830
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 2>talking with Keith Madison, hall of Fame coach from the

831
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.320
<v Speaker 2>University of Kentucky and you hear him on the UK

832
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Radio Network with Darren Hedrick. He is just back from Omaha,

833
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 2>where you are part of. What is the organization you're

834
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>at You said you're out there for meetings the Baseball

835
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Coaches Association.

836
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the American Baseball Coach Association. It's a great organization.

837
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.119
<v Speaker 3>I'll put a shameless plug in. We have over fifteen

838
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 3>thousand members.

839
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 5>Wow, and.

840
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Mostly high school and college coaches. Now travel baseball coaches

841
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 3>are getting involved. So it's a great organization to be

842
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 3>a part of. And we wisely have our we have

843
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 3>two board meetings a year. We wisely have one board

844
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 3>meeting every year in Omaha during a college World Series.

845
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 3>And so I get to go out every year and

846
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 3>watch some great baseball and also try to do some

847
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.159
<v Speaker 3>good things with the American Baseball Coaches Association, or as

848
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.480
<v Speaker 3>baseball coaches called the ABCA.

849
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and now you've got so much happening in

850
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>college sports, and you and and Darren and Doug and

851
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I have talked about the portal and I on all that,

852
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.199
<v Speaker 2>and now you've got the house settlement figuring in. You've

853
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.519
<v Speaker 2>got I don't know if you ever thought you'd see today,

854
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.039
<v Speaker 2>but no longer do you see the eleven point seven scholies.

855
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:25.239
<v Speaker 2>They have the opportunity to fully fund baseball scholarships. But

856
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.320
<v Speaker 2>that means no more walk ons. There's so much going on.

857
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.960
<v Speaker 2>What did you guys at the college level, what are

858
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Speaker 2>they talking about these days?

859
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they were talking a lot about the you know,

860
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.840
<v Speaker 3>the roster clemouth and uh and and the way that

861
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:44.000
<v Speaker 3>and the way that baseball programs are going to be

862
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 3>funded so much better than they have been in the past,

863
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 3>and and uh and then you know, quite frankly, we

864
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:56.119
<v Speaker 3>talked about the negative side of it is, you know,

865
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.960
<v Speaker 3>you're already seeing other sports being.

866
00:51:58.880 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Great, all right, that's right.

867
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and that's very sad, and you hope that doesn't

868
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 3>happen very much. But I think it's inevitable because there's

869
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:15.079
<v Speaker 3>only so much money to go around and and so uh,

870
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 3>depending on which sports are you know, have have good traditions, uh,

871
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, they're probably going to be safe. But some

872
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.320
<v Speaker 3>some maybe some of the newer sports in certain schools

873
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.719
<v Speaker 3>or leagues that you know, perhaps haven't been as successful

874
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 3>as some of the other teams or programs. You know,

875
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.800
<v Speaker 3>there's a chance that they may do away with them.

876
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:44.000
<v Speaker 3>And I just think that's tragic. But at the same time,

877
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:49.119
<v Speaker 3>it's also very difficult to raise money for enough money, uh,

878
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.159
<v Speaker 3>for each individual sports program.

879
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:52.719
<v Speaker 6>This day and age.

880
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm also wondering about junior college baseball, you know, because

881
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>there's a as you know, there's a distinct ripple effect,

882
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and junior college athletes are more prevalent, I think in

883
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.559
<v Speaker 2>baseball than any other sport except maybe football, maybe more

884
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 2>than football. Uh And now that's what kind of an

885
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.719
<v Speaker 2>effect is all this going to have on the jucos

886
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>and on your your your former player Jan Weisberg coach

887
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 2>for a long time at a D three level. Now

888
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 2>he's at EKU, but had a really successful program at

889
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Birmingham Southern, which of course no longer exists. But what

890
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of ripple effects that can I have?

891
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's definitely going to have a ripple effect. And

892
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 3>junior college baseball there's been a very positive thing for

893
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:46.199
<v Speaker 3>college baseball in general because it's been junior college baseball.

894
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 3>If you you know, in the past, if you get

895
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:51.760
<v Speaker 3>in a bind and and you know, like for instance,

896
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 3>if your catcher signed pro you didn't expect him to,

897
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you can go. You can go into the JUCO

898
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 3>ranks and find a good play And a lot of

899
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:06.039
<v Speaker 3>players coming out of high school that are maybe not

900
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 3>as strong or as mature, you know, they choose to

901
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 3>go to junior college baseball so that they could get

902
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:18.639
<v Speaker 3>playing experience and become more mature and get stronger and

903
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.599
<v Speaker 3>then be ready for Division one baseball. So you hope

904
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 3>that it doesn't have a negular effect on those Jucos

905
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:28.079
<v Speaker 3>because there are a lot of really good junior college

906
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 3>programs out there, and the baseball players that go to

907
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 3>junior college, it's not all about not having the grade. Yeah,

908
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 3>some of them are, but most of the time it's

909
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.119
<v Speaker 3>about wanting to have a Division one opportunity and going

910
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:47.320
<v Speaker 3>to junior college and getting experience and improving as a

911
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 3>player and then moving.

912
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:49.360
<v Speaker 2>On to Division one.

913
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.960
<v Speaker 3>A lot of those kids in juco baseball are good students.

914
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 3>They just want a chance to play baseball at the

915
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.199
<v Speaker 3>highest level, and sometimes at junior college are out is

916
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:01.880
<v Speaker 3>the route to go a couple of.

917
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Minutes lef with Keith Madison so many kids coming through

918
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.199
<v Speaker 2>the portal now, there are still opportunities for the Jucos,

919
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe at the schools that these kids left behind, you

920
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:13.639
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. On the D one level.

921
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 3>One thing I've noticed about about both athletes and also

922
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:23.760
<v Speaker 3>their sports is they tend to adapt and survive. Is

923
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 3>the rules changes happen, and a lot of times those

924
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 3>changes are very uncomfortable for people. But the good programs

925
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 3>and the good players they find a way to adjust

926
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.480
<v Speaker 3>and adapt and survive. And I'm hoping that's what will happen.

927
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:46.079
<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, the way that the programs like

928
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 3>SEC programs, ACC programs, and I guess it's the power

929
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.039
<v Speaker 3>forward down. The way they're going to be funded is

930
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 3>going to be incredible. It's going to be it's going

931
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:01.800
<v Speaker 3>to be like a real really good level of minor

932
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:02.519
<v Speaker 3>league baseball.

933
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it will.

934
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.400
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, and the talent level is is it's just

935
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 3>going to keep And I think what's happening with Major

936
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:13.440
<v Speaker 3>League baseball really quick? Here? It is, you know, fewer,

937
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:18.000
<v Speaker 3>fewer players drafted. There are fewer rounds. You know, there

938
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.320
<v Speaker 3>used to be I don't know, fifty rounds and now

939
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:26.280
<v Speaker 3>there's so there's there's the talent pool out there. It's

940
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 3>so much better for division on baseball than it was

941
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:33.199
<v Speaker 3>in my era. Uh So there's more good players to

942
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:36.599
<v Speaker 3>be had and more good players to recruit. And that's why,

943
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, I see Nick nan Jones two three, four

944
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.519
<v Speaker 3>times a week during the school year. I haven't seen

945
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.440
<v Speaker 3>him since. Uh, I haven't seen him since you got

946
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 3>back from the regional tournament because you know, because man,

947
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 3>those guys are working, they are after it. Yeah, yeah,

948
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.519
<v Speaker 3>getting those you know, going into the transfer portal. And

949
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:03.000
<v Speaker 3>also recruiting, you know, the young guys in high school.

950
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:08.280
<v Speaker 3>So I talked to many coaches Division one coaches while

951
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.119
<v Speaker 3>I was in Omaha, and every one of them said

952
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.079
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. I am working harder in the summer

953
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:16.320
<v Speaker 3>now than I've ever worked in my life.

954
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:18.679
<v Speaker 2>Coach, I appreciate the time. Glad you made it back.

955
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir Dick, thanks for having me on, Buddy I Jordan.

956
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Western Bureau Chief Gary Moore is next in six thirty

957
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:27.800
<v Speaker 2>WLAP Welcome back to the big blueing cider. As promised,

958
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.199
<v Speaker 2>it is Wednesday. That means we look to the other

959
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 2>end of the interstate, to the western end, to our

960
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.679
<v Speaker 2>West end. Bureau Chief Gary Moore, longtime West Coast Bureau

961
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.679
<v Speaker 2>chief when he covered all kinds of sports for us

962
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.440
<v Speaker 2>when he was with Kalas Radio in LA. But now

963
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>he is in LA the Louisville area, joined us each

964
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and every week with a lot on his mind.

965
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Two guys in a six pack, you and me, buddy,

966
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:52.000
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, congratulations to your alma mater, Trinity.

967
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah about that state baseball champs had no hitter in there.

968
00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And a couple of former sham Rocks two or

969
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.840
<v Speaker 2>three on the UFL roster and yeah, ESPN with some

970
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Trinity shoutouts. I love it thanks to Chris Burke, who

971
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:10.719
<v Speaker 2>I've got to give him as props. He's a sane

972
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 2>x guy, but he did bring up the fact that

973
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy, that guy, this guy, there were Trinity shamrocks

974
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 2>and they tipped their caps to the new stage.

975
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Champs Cousin Skeeter Davis Duggins. Skeeter Duggins was a footballer

976
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:28.679
<v Speaker 1>back in the early eighties. For your rocks, Well, get

977
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:30.559
<v Speaker 1>into our two guys in a six pack. We have

978
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:35.320
<v Speaker 1>six swigs here, the first wig. Speaking of no hitters, Dick,

979
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:36.360
<v Speaker 1>it could have been worse.

980
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:37.360
<v Speaker 2>It really could have.

981
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.039
<v Speaker 1>My hometown Racers could have been no hit twice if

982
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you think about it. Yeah, as we last talk, well,

983
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.800
<v Speaker 1>so much for wearing lucky horseshoes on their caps. Murray

984
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 1>ran into, of course, Arkansas's fireballer and first round no

985
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:55.360
<v Speaker 1>doubter in the MLB draft. Gage Wood had even better

986
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff than Paul Sken's in this College World Series, throwing

987
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Speaker 1>only the third no hitter they're in the CWS and

988
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>after a remarkable dream season, the greatest obviously in Murray

989
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.239
<v Speaker 1>State baseball history, complete with the Manager of the Year

990
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.679
<v Speaker 1>in college baseball. The question is, now what someone once said,

991
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.400
<v Speaker 1>the toughest thing about being a success is to keep

992
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:19.280
<v Speaker 1>being a success, especially nowadays in college sports with the

993
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>portal in NIL and all that stuff, and for a

994
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.599
<v Speaker 1>small D one school with limited financial resource, it's even tougher.

995
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.360
<v Speaker 1>So I ask you, what do you do if you're

996
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the ad at Murray State, Nico Yanko? Do you move

997
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.800
<v Speaker 1>more basketball money over to some baseball definitely, fix up

998
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.119
<v Speaker 1>the facilities. Do you find some alumni with deep pockets?

999
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you win the Kentucky lottery? Murray needs to capitalize

1000
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.280
<v Speaker 1>on this. This is really huge.

1001
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:42.880
<v Speaker 2>What would you do?

1002
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Well?

1003
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.199
<v Speaker 2>I think you mentioned it. You know, you can move

1004
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 2>money around. You've got to find some benefactors. Now with NIL,

1005
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they have some, but you've got to find more.

1006
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:56.280
<v Speaker 2>You know better than anybody probably listening to this show

1007
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the challenges there because you grew up in murray Land

1008
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Grand Institution, so it's, you know, not the biggest city

1009
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:08.639
<v Speaker 2>in the state of Kentucky. They have renovated somewhat basketball

1010
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:12.559
<v Speaker 2>and football, but you know, the stills in the video

1011
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:17.639
<v Speaker 2>that were released once the Racers made not just the tournament,

1012
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 2>but the supers underscoring how modest their facilities are. That's

1013
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.960
<v Speaker 2>got to help, you know, But you have got to

1014
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:28.679
<v Speaker 2>strike while this iron is red hot, because it won't

1015
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.360
<v Speaker 2>get any hotter. And here's the thing to follow up.

1016
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:34.199
<v Speaker 2>We've talked again about how vital it is to be

1017
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 2>able to host not just a regional, but a super

1018
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 2>trying to look ahead to Murray State someday. Hosting not

1019
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.880
<v Speaker 2>impossible in a regional. But you've got to schedule a

1020
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:51.079
<v Speaker 2>little bit better when you can because of your respective conference.

1021
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe play some more challenging opponents. Help your RPI. Do

1022
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:56.599
<v Speaker 2>what Nick ben Jee Omee did as best you can.

1023
01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Strength the schedule and all that, but just try to

1024
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:03.599
<v Speaker 2>raise your own profile and then be really smart when

1025
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:06.320
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the portal. But the other thing you

1026
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.320
<v Speaker 2>got to do, try to hang on to your head. Coach.

1027
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I gotta think folks are coming out of skirk coming

1028
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.199
<v Speaker 2>after Skirka. Yeah, you know they are.

1029
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, sky's a limit because nobody thought they'd get this far. No, no,

1030
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 1>now your sky's limit for your Here.

1031
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Was the other thing, Gary, they were so good. This

1032
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:22.440
<v Speaker 2>was not a fluke, No, not at all. They're good

1033
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.800
<v Speaker 2>hit even more impressive by Woods no hitter. This was

1034
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:29.519
<v Speaker 2>a great offense by Murray Stade sure was andy. They

1035
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:32.719
<v Speaker 2>weren't even touching the baseball, and he was so close

1036
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to a perfect game. It was scary our.

1037
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Second swig dealing with that. There's no shame in being

1038
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.559
<v Speaker 1>no hit when a picture is flat out on and

1039
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 1>most of any player will tell you that Colorado Rockies

1040
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 1>found that out dick. Eleven years ago to night at

1041
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Dodger Stadium, I was there June eighteenth, twenty fourteen, Clayton

1042
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Kershaw threw his first I believe only no hitter so far,

1043
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:59.840
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seven pitches, fifteen strikeouts. Ato Dodger win

1044
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:02.679
<v Speaker 1>and Kershawn went on to win the Cy Young that winter.

1045
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.199
<v Speaker 1>In fact, that year, I went down from the press

1046
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.400
<v Speaker 1>box and I sat behind home plate for about the

1047
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.239
<v Speaker 1>last two or three innings just to watch his stuff,

1048
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 1>which was just electric. You knew something, You knew he

1049
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.480
<v Speaker 1>was probably gonna get it. After about the seventh inning.

1050
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I was also a Dodger Stadium dick fourteen months later

1051
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 1>when the Cubs Jake Arietta no hit the Dodgers two

1052
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to nothing August thirtieth, twenty fifteen and route to his

1053
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 1>cy young year. And you know what even happened to

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01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the defending world champion Dodgers in La by again the Cubs,

1055
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.400
<v Speaker 1>who used four different pitchers to no hit the Dodgers

1056
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:38.559
<v Speaker 1>June twenty four, twenty twenty one. And that was a

1057
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Dodgers lineup that had Mookie Betts and Cody Bellinger, Max

1058
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Munsey and some guy playing first base he may have

1059
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:47.760
<v Speaker 1>heard of. Albert Puhols was also in that lineup. So,

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01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:49.760
<v Speaker 1>like I said, there's no shame in getting no hit.

1061
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Happens to the best. And here's the thing, to paraphrase

1062
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Tom Petty, at least Murray went down swinging, not much

1063
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.480
<v Speaker 1>touching with the best, but they went down swinging.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, it was scary how close Wood

1065
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:10.039
<v Speaker 2>came to pitching a perfect game. Didn't hit the guy, Yeah,

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01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.159
<v Speaker 2>he hit another guy. That was another thing we probably

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01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.880
<v Speaker 2>hang on. Let me cut that out. Something else we

1068
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:20.320
<v Speaker 2>probably should talk about more was that he also hit

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01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.599
<v Speaker 2>a Murray batter what was it in the ninth inning,

1070
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:28.199
<v Speaker 2>But he was called out because they said that he

1071
01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:33.280
<v Speaker 2>intentionally got himself hit, and uh, it was bogus. I mean,

1072
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.159
<v Speaker 2>he was standing in the batter's box when the ball

1073
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:40.519
<v Speaker 2>hit him anyway. Yeah, this no hitter was clearly won

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01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.920
<v Speaker 2>for the ages, and to do it against a Murray

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01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 2>State team that was so adept at adjusting to pitchers

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01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 2>and doing what it had to do. Yeah, it was

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01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.199
<v Speaker 2>something that people are going to talk about for a

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01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:54.679
<v Speaker 2>long time.

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01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Stings for a while, but it doesn't erase a great

1080
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:01.480
<v Speaker 1>dream season. Yeah, our third swig. One last College World Series. Thought,

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01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:03.559
<v Speaker 1>before we get into some very good news from the

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01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.599
<v Speaker 1>major leagues, can we get a better trophy for these

1083
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:10.159
<v Speaker 1>collegiate winners? These flat things look like a slab of

1084
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:13.000
<v Speaker 1>wood paneling. I mean, Beer League Softball, Dick's got better

1085
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.360
<v Speaker 1>trophies than what they're given these winners for this just

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01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 1>my thought. Okay, Now for the good news. Major League

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01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Baseball finally has come to their census, will again allow

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01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 1>all Stars to wear their regular home or away jerseys

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01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:30.119
<v Speaker 1>uniforms instead of those regrettable Nike monstrosities that end up

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01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.519
<v Speaker 1>being nothing more than really eye pollution and the same

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01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 1>cap too, by the way, put some stars on them

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01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.000
<v Speaker 1>this year, which is okay, fine, but of course home

1093
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.159
<v Speaker 1>run derby and workouts Nike couldn't leave well enough alone.

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01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.280
<v Speaker 1>So we've got lowercase NL jerseys for the Natty League

1095
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:49.199
<v Speaker 1>and lowercase AL for the American League. Lower case in

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01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:52.519
<v Speaker 1>the tradition of the Braves throwback a since that's where

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01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the game is this year. But hey, if your name's Al,

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01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.800
<v Speaker 1>you got your own personalized jersey from MLB this year.

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01:04:58.320 --> 01:04:59.920
<v Speaker 1>But it's a win for fans like you and me

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01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.679
<v Speaker 1>who think All Stars should always rep their team and

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01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.360
<v Speaker 1>not their corporate costumer.

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01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:05.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.440
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the things that I love about the

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01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Baseball All Star Game, or is the introductions. You know,

1105
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.280
<v Speaker 2>when every player is introduced, they all come running out

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01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:17.199
<v Speaker 2>in their respective jerseys, you know, And it was even

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01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.320
<v Speaker 2>better in my opinion. I know, I'm an old guy,

1108
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, shaking my fist at a cloud, but pre

1109
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:25.199
<v Speaker 2>interleague play, because there was that great mystery when you

1110
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:27.559
<v Speaker 2>got the series, but it also existed in the All

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01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Star Game, you know, and here's an NL player facing

1112
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.360
<v Speaker 2>an ALE pitcher that maybe they'll see each other in

1113
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 2>the World Series, but probably not. So that's what made

1114
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:42.199
<v Speaker 2>it so exciting. But it all starts with the player intros,

1115
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:45.480
<v Speaker 2>when they all came running out in their respective uniforms,

1116
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:48.039
<v Speaker 2>and our beloved Cardinals, of course have the best uniforms,

1117
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:51.880
<v Speaker 2>but that's all part of the fun. I think it's

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01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:52.480
<v Speaker 2>always great too.

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01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:54.800
<v Speaker 1>But if your team is crumming and you only got

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01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:56.440
<v Speaker 1>one guy there, at least when he comes out, he goes,

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01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.159
<v Speaker 1>there's a guy with our jersey right there.

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01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And by the way, while we're at that, I

1123
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:03.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of like that rule. I think every team ought

1124
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to be represented. And yes, I know that means a

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01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.719
<v Speaker 2>guy who might compare to somebody else be having a

1126
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:12.400
<v Speaker 2>mediocre year, but he's the best that team can offer.

1127
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I still think they ought to be represented. I agree

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01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:18.039
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. Fourth swig op ed peace in New

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01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.239
<v Speaker 1>York Times this week caught my eye, Dick with this

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01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.760
<v Speaker 1>header four thousand, seven hundred and eighty five dollars that's

1131
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.960
<v Speaker 1>how much it costs to be a sports fan now,

1132
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.559
<v Speaker 1>written by a guy named June Lead, a Korean American who,

1133
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:36.079
<v Speaker 1>besides covering sports for ESPN, Bleacher Report and The Washington Post,

1134
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.079
<v Speaker 1>is a longtime Boston sports fan who subscribes to nearly

1135
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:43.000
<v Speaker 1>every service that there is for live sports for NFL, NBA, MLB,

1136
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.239
<v Speaker 1>had more. He wrote that in two thousand and four,

1137
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.840
<v Speaker 1>a hardcore Boston fan would spend around one thousand, thirteen

1138
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.559
<v Speaker 1>hundred or thirteen hundred twenty one dollars to follow his

1139
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.480
<v Speaker 1>or her favorite team. That includes tickets, TV access, maybe

1140
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:59.199
<v Speaker 1>some merch. Today four thousand, seven hundred and eighty five dollars,

1141
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:03.199
<v Speaker 1>a two hundred sixty two percent jump. This fall, I

1142
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:05.679
<v Speaker 1>found out via Google AI that if you want to

1143
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 1>watch every single NFL game on all platforms, you're talking

1144
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:11.559
<v Speaker 1>anywhere from six hundred and fifty seven dollars to fifteen

1145
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars. That's just for the NFL on a screen

1146
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:17.920
<v Speaker 1>near you. There's so many platforms for the NFL, and

1147
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.159
<v Speaker 1>now MLB's gotten into it with Roku and Apple TV

1148
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:25.239
<v Speaker 1>and MLBtv local cable, which I'm still not gonna get.

1149
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about that, I'm not gonna get Peacock, forget that,

1150
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna get Roku. I'm asking you, this is

1151
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the NFL and MLB pushing it with too many, too

1152
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.039
<v Speaker 1>many portals for their sports.

1153
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Well by pushing it, if you mean they're gonna lose fans,

1154
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:43.840
<v Speaker 2>lose viewers, well yeah, because not everybody can afford that.

1155
01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:47.199
<v Speaker 2>A and others like you, on principle just are gonna,

1156
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:49.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, stick their foot in the dirt and say no.

1157
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:53.079
<v Speaker 2>But again, this is the kind of thing that drives

1158
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.880
<v Speaker 2>me nuts about sports when we can say didn't we

1159
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:58.400
<v Speaker 2>see this coming? And you and I talked about this

1160
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:01.039
<v Speaker 2>three and four years ago. You mentioned p and when

1161
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame said our first game of the year against

1162
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it was coincidentally Toledo, which is what Kentucky

1163
01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:10.199
<v Speaker 2>opens with. You're only going to be able to see

1164
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:13.159
<v Speaker 2>it on Peacock, not on NBC. And there were howls

1165
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and screams, and my response was welcome to the future. Right,

1166
01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:20.439
<v Speaker 2>And then when you John Skipper, they were chilling words.

1167
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:25.000
<v Speaker 2>But the former chief at ESPN said, someday the world

1168
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:29.399
<v Speaker 2>the Super Bowl will be on pay per view. They

1169
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:34.399
<v Speaker 2>don't have any choice because the revenue streams are drying

1170
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:37.479
<v Speaker 2>up and now they're out of hand, there's no question.

1171
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:39.520
<v Speaker 2>But the other thing too is Gary there's a lot

1172
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.680
<v Speaker 2>of freebies out there. You can follow your team if

1173
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you want to be fully immersed. Yeah, you got to

1174
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:48.800
<v Speaker 2>spend the money, but how about red zone. You know

1175
01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 2>you can watch every game. There is all the good stuff,

1176
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of free stuff on the interweb.

1177
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.760
<v Speaker 2>But If you really want to dive in, you got.

1178
01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:59.840
<v Speaker 1>To pony up Fifth Swig and the six Pack games

1179
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.279
<v Speaker 1>NBA Finals about twenty five hours from now. The Okies

1180
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.279
<v Speaker 1>can win it all on the road, or the Pacers

1181
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 1>can force a Game seven back in Okac Sunday night

1182
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:10.920
<v Speaker 1>in primetime. I'll tell if Halliburton is one hundred percent,

1183
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:12.920
<v Speaker 1>there ain't going to be a number seven on Sunday.

1184
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:16.399
<v Speaker 1>It's obviously not the TV ratings juggernaut. The NBA was

1185
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.760
<v Speaker 1>hoping for two cities that smug East and West Coast

1186
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.840
<v Speaker 1>people call flyover towns, but hey, there's been some really

1187
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:26.760
<v Speaker 1>good intense basketball being played here. In Game five peaked

1188
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:29.319
<v Speaker 1>at thirteen point two million viewers. That's way above the

1189
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.520
<v Speaker 1>nine million or so average for the first four games,

1190
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:35.640
<v Speaker 1>still a far cry from the record twenty nine million

1191
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:39.039
<v Speaker 1>viewers in nineteen ninety eight. Michael Jordan Bulls in Utah

1192
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:41.800
<v Speaker 1>or you go back to even before that, the bird

1193
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Magic viewers back in eighty seven. I think they peaked

1194
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.720
<v Speaker 1>at like twenty four million overall. The for those games.

1195
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Warriors and Calves with Steph and Lebron brought in as

1196
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:54.000
<v Speaker 1>many as thirty one million back in twenty sixteen. But

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01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.399
<v Speaker 1>I ask you, will we ever see those kinds of numbers,

1198
01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.199
<v Speaker 1>with those kinds of generational stars again anytime soon?

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01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:04.399
<v Speaker 2>I think you could, You could match the Warriors numbers,

1200
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:08.239
<v Speaker 2>because that, I think is a more accurate depiction of

1201
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:12.279
<v Speaker 2>where we are now with television. Those Magic Bird series

1202
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:16.720
<v Speaker 2>which were so great, they didn't compete with five hundred channels,

1203
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.039
<v Speaker 2>they didn't compete with so much they had. The Internet

1204
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:21.520
<v Speaker 2>was a live back then, but not the way it

1205
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:25.199
<v Speaker 2>is now. You know, you look at entertainment show, look

1206
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:29.920
<v Speaker 2>at I Love Lucy. You know sixty million people would

1207
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:31.880
<v Speaker 2>tune in things like that. When I hear old time

1208
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:34.840
<v Speaker 2>TV people talk about the numbers they used to get

1209
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:38.520
<v Speaker 2>when there were only three four networks without due respect

1210
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to PBS, no, that'll never be there again. It doesn't

1211
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:45.640
<v Speaker 2>mean there isn't as much interest. There are just more

1212
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:50.199
<v Speaker 2>choices now and so everybody has to adjust accordingly. But

1213
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:54.560
<v Speaker 2>back to your original point, if snobs NBA snobs are

1214
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:58.720
<v Speaker 2>not watching, they're missing out on a really good series

1215
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:03.079
<v Speaker 2>with some really nominal performances, and not just by Halliburton

1216
01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:06.960
<v Speaker 2>n SGA. I mean, this has been a fun series.

1217
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Agreed, and finally a sixth wig in the six pack.

1218
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.680
<v Speaker 1>This month we had two great local sports reporters announcing

1219
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:16.920
<v Speaker 1>within days of each other that they're retiring. Right over

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01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.119
<v Speaker 1>there in Lexington, guy, you've had on your show many

1221
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:22.720
<v Speaker 1>many times. Columnist John Clay announced his last day at

1222
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:26.439
<v Speaker 1>the Herald Leaders June thirtieth, forty five years after his

1223
01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:30.920
<v Speaker 1>first byline in the Lexington Leader summer of nineteen eighty.

1224
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Thirteen years as the UK football beat writer, and then

1225
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:37.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty five more as a columnist, John's covered twenty one

1226
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:42.439
<v Speaker 1>final fours, forty four consecutive Kentucky Derby's, among countless other events,

1227
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and then over here two days later, as you told me,

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01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:49.079
<v Speaker 1>John's friend and fellow Hall of Famer Rick Bosich announced

1229
01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:53.279
<v Speaker 1>his retirement effective July the first. Rick's been at WDRBTV,

1230
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:56.279
<v Speaker 1>of course since twenty twelve, but way before that I

1231
01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.119
<v Speaker 1>began reading him at your former employer, Louisville Times, and

1232
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:02.840
<v Speaker 1>then he went under the CJ for thirty one years.

1233
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Rix Palett WDRB Eric Crawford says Rick has covered thirty

1234
01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:10.800
<v Speaker 1>one final fours, fifteen Super Bowls, eleven World Series, three

1235
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:15.399
<v Speaker 1>Summer Olympics and the NBA Finals. What can you say?

1236
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.359
<v Speaker 1>To these two five star journalists after all of these

1237
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:25.439
<v Speaker 1>decades quitters, Seriously the kidding. I would say, thank you

1238
01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 1>for your hard work, gentlemen, getting the truth and also

1239
01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:32.920
<v Speaker 1>sacrificing a lot of valuable time away from family for

1240
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:36.119
<v Speaker 1>appreciative readers like Dick Gabriel and Gary Moore.

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01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.159
<v Speaker 2>That's right, So much to unpack here. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>great lunch this week. Ralph Hacker put it together. Essentially

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<v Speaker 2>was to get us together with Tom Devine, our long

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<v Speaker 2>time UK network engineer. But we had you know, Jim

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01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Host was there, Oscar Combs, Tom Leech, Wow, you know,

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01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Macy was on a UK network for many years,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and of course Ralph Hacker. Uh But I

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01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:05.760
<v Speaker 2>said next to John Claty invited John, and John told

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<v Speaker 2>us that after Kentucky was beaten in the Sweet sixteen

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01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:13.239
<v Speaker 2>by Tennessee in the NCAA Tournament, he said he texted

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01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.199
<v Speaker 2>his wife and said, I'm done. That's it, you know,

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01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:19.319
<v Speaker 2>because he knew that if he carried this to his

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01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:20.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, by the end of the fiscal year, he'll

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01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:23.800
<v Speaker 2>be done. But if he started in the UK football season,

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01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.039
<v Speaker 2>he would want to finish it and that would carry

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01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to the you know, all that kind of stuff. But

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01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:29.720
<v Speaker 2>he had been thinking about it for a while, so

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01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:35.279
<v Speaker 2>had Rick and John was like a situation like there,

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01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:37.039
<v Speaker 2>but for the grace of God go I. You know,

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01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.880
<v Speaker 2>John wrote for the Kentucky Colonel, as I did, got

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01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:42.680
<v Speaker 2>out of school, took the job at the local newspaper.

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01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:45.399
<v Speaker 2>I might have done the same thing if I hadn't

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01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.039
<v Speaker 2>gotten into broadcasting at a station where you and I

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01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:51.560
<v Speaker 2>first worked together. And then, you know, John did what

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01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:53.359
<v Speaker 2>you want to do. You cover the you do a

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01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:55.800
<v Speaker 2>little bit of everything, You cover the beat, and you

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01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:57.840
<v Speaker 2>end up with a column that was going to be

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01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:01.840
<v Speaker 2>my career path somewhere, if not accident, maybe the Courier Journal,

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01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.159
<v Speaker 2>because yeah, I was an intern at the Louisville Times.

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01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I remember when Rick started with a CJ. Rick, I

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01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:11.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't talk. I ran out of time. I didn't have

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01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.399
<v Speaker 2>a chance to talk to him about this. But Rick

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<v Speaker 2>left the Courier Journal for a couple of days, took

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01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:21.560
<v Speaker 2>a job I think it was in Minneapolis, a huge newspaper,

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01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and then he just turned around and came home. He

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01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:29.199
<v Speaker 2>had second thoughts, like like coaches have done, and yeah,

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01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and he turned around and he said, I'm sorry but

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01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:34.199
<v Speaker 2>I can't take this job and came back to Louisville,

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01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.439
<v Speaker 2>you know. Uh, and that was our game. And I

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01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:40.680
<v Speaker 2>tipped my cap to wd RB over there, which has

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01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:44.560
<v Speaker 2>a great website when it comes to sports sports programming

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01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:48.239
<v Speaker 2>that is independent of the TV channel. They spent money

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01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:50.479
<v Speaker 2>on Rick, they spent money on Eric. They've made it

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01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:53.720
<v Speaker 2>work because they hired the right guys. He'll be missed,

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01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:54.760
<v Speaker 2>there's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Absolutely, they're the best in this There's some good

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01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:01.600
<v Speaker 1>sports guys. Yeah, you've had him on your show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Rick and Eric know this town in this state like

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01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:05.159
<v Speaker 1>nobody else.

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01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.399
<v Speaker 2>And the biggest reason I think DRB is the best

1292
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 2>is because management it was smart enough to give them

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01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.119
<v Speaker 2>airtime and space where other stations don't have the courage

1294
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.640
<v Speaker 2>it takes to do that. But that's a great business

1295
01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:21.920
<v Speaker 2>model DRB is. They're making money, you know, and sports

1296
01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:22.880
<v Speaker 2>is so huge here.

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01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:26.119
<v Speaker 1>It's huge yware exactly, but especially here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Louisville is one of the great sports markets

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<v Speaker 2>in all of America. We're talking with Gary Maris, our

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01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Western bureau chief. We'll come back with some hot reads

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01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:36.920
<v Speaker 2>and just a minute here on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking with Gary Mariy is our West End bureau chief.

1303
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:42.680
<v Speaker 2>We talk with him each and every Wednesday. He presents

1304
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.439
<v Speaker 2>two guys in a six pack. We counter with a

1305
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.159
<v Speaker 2>couple of hot reads. For Gary, Kevin Durant wants a

1306
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:53.319
<v Speaker 2>new team again. Uh, he's picking and choosing again. Got

1307
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to be the right team. Got to be a team

1308
01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:57.399
<v Speaker 2>that will give him the ball all the time. But

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01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.840
<v Speaker 2>also Gary, he wants to win another which he's done

1310
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:04.239
<v Speaker 2>in the past. But now he's saying Spurs or Wolves.

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01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Phoenix is trying to accommodate. This to me gets

1312
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.000
<v Speaker 2>a little tiresome, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he goes back to the Seattle SuperSonics days.

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<v Speaker 2>That is amazing.

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01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that crazy to think about that? That's how long

1316
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.319
<v Speaker 1>he's thirty he's gonna be with thirty seven? I think

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01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:25.159
<v Speaker 1>this fall and if he'd had stayed with Golden State, maybe,

1318
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:28.079
<v Speaker 1>but no, you got to go to Brooklyn, you got

1319
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to get with the guys, and how did that work out? Well,

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01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:32.520
<v Speaker 1>then okay, I'm gonna go to Phoenix. Well how did

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01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.119
<v Speaker 1>that work out? So now it's onto this other guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe if he'd even stayed at Oklahoma City. You know,

1323
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:40.239
<v Speaker 1>they got to the finals against the Heat. They did,

1324
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:43.199
<v Speaker 1>and they had a three to one lead against the

1325
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Warriors and blew it.

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01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:45.600
<v Speaker 2>And then what does he do?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to join the Warriors later that summer. I

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01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:52.079
<v Speaker 1>like him a lot, can't. I can't complain about him

1329
01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:54.920
<v Speaker 1>too much because great player. He's won of gold medals.

1330
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's been a savior in the Olympics time

1331
01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and time again. So good lucke him. I hope he

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01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:02.279
<v Speaker 1>gets it. But it is tiring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and here's the other thing that puts me off

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01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of just a little bit. He could have stayed with

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01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the Warriors. He could have won, yeah, another title or

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01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:13.279
<v Speaker 2>two and chose to leave. Yep, that's what puzzles me

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<v Speaker 2>the most. Speaking of titles, not sure which team is

1338
01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:19.840
<v Speaker 2>going to win the championship when it comes to the

1339
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:24.439
<v Speaker 2>Jello Shots in Omaha, probably LSU, but I'm talking about

1340
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Rocos Pizza and Cantina. I got a chance to visit

1341
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.560
<v Speaker 2>that spot when I was in Omaha last year. They

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01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:34.359
<v Speaker 2>host every year the Jello Shot Challenge. Fans from each

1343
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:39.159
<v Speaker 2>respective team are urged to come in by a jello shot.

1344
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:40.479
<v Speaker 2>What do you drink it? Or not, or do you

1345
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:44.159
<v Speaker 2>drink it or slurp it? Anyway? Each shot five bucks

1346
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:47.600
<v Speaker 2>proceeds go to food banks in the hometowns of each

1347
01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:53.239
<v Speaker 2>respective College World Series team and in Omaha. And in

1348
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:57.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, LSU's baseball team won the championship. They

1349
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:02.640
<v Speaker 2>bought Gary a record shattering sixty eight thousand, eight hundred

1350
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.359
<v Speaker 2>and eighty eight jell O shots. That's a lot of

1351
01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:09.119
<v Speaker 2>money for food banks. You got to put this up

1352
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:13.079
<v Speaker 2>there with one of the great promotional moves in all

1353
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:13.560
<v Speaker 2>of sports.

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01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:15.439
<v Speaker 1>How many did you have last year when you were there?

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01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Probably just one?

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01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh, come on now, you're you're you're with the guys here,

1357
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.600
<v Speaker 1>come on now. And Skeens was doing it right, didn't

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01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I see him in his deans Livy and.

1359
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Todd Graves and LSU biomingo U. So yeah, that that

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01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:33.079
<v Speaker 2>that you talk about a built in advantage for LSU faithful.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this, they were saying in at least in

1362
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 1>the Career Journal at ten o'clock Central time, Sunday, U

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01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:41.039
<v Speaker 1>of l was in second to last place. But you

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01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:44.199
<v Speaker 1>see who was in second place? Murray State. Yeah about that,

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01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I've got hit, But by god, we can slurp.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a it's a great uh promotional deal. And

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<v Speaker 2>I want to point out as well Rocko's canteena is

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01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:57.880
<v Speaker 2>right next to the ballpark, so it's not as those

1369
01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:00.560
<v Speaker 2>fans are staggering out of the bar, getting in their

1370
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.800
<v Speaker 2>cars and driving to the game. They've got a chance

1371
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:05.600
<v Speaker 2>to walk around, go sit in the sun for three

1372
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:08.319
<v Speaker 2>or four hours and sober up. But again, it's one

1373
01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of the great promotional moves in all of sports. He

1374
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.000
<v Speaker 2>is Gary Moore. He is our west End bureau chief

1375
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:16.039
<v Speaker 2>and we talk to him each and every week. You

1376
01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:19.239
<v Speaker 2>can also follow him, which you should on Twitter or

1377
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:22.439
<v Speaker 2>x at at nine five to five Gary and I

1378
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:25.479
<v Speaker 2>follow you at a big Go Insider one. That's right

1379
01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that good week and how to do it for now

1380
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Gary Moore, Thanks to Shaan Woods and Keith

1381
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Madison that said good night in the garage and Lexington.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no respect to day I was born, really

1383
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:36.880
<v Speaker 3>no respect.

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<v Speaker 6>The doctor picked me up and smacked me. I found

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01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:39.560
<v Speaker 6>out the night she got a few.

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<v Speaker 2>In two.

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<v Speaker 3>Take that saying anything, can anything, do anything, back out

1388
01:20:48.319 --> 01:21:10.920
<v Speaker 3>stake that anything but facts.

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<v Speaker 2>From type

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<v Speaker 3>Dotting The