1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dan Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,439 you with the one the Only, mister Moore Jansen of 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,960 the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,960 Max fame and of course only fans celebrity. We are 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,679 here to talk about NBA expansion. We thought we were 6 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:27,839 gonna have a podcast out today about predicting the next 7 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:31,480 wave of all NBA players, but instead the NBA expansion 8 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:34,479 report came out. The Board of Governors is expected to 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,039 vote on it and it's expected to be approved, and 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,200 the NBA is gonna get two expansion teams, presumably in 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,600 Las Vegas and Seattle, in time for the twenty eight 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,159 to twenty nine season. First, and foremost more, how are 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:49,640 you feeling? 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: I am. I'm feeling pretty good. I really am, because 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,280 or sorry, I'm feeling well. That is the right way 16 00:00:56,479 --> 00:01:00,679 to actually speak English. I've been waiting for this for 17 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,679 a long long time. I'll tell you something. Back in 18 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:07,439 twenty twenty two, when I had my radio show here 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,640 in Denmark, we actually did a two hour special on 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,359 just explaining people like the expansion rules, and we did 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,799 like a mock expansion draft, and we used Las Vegas 22 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:21,120 and Seattle because those were the teams or the cities 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,920 that were always painted about. Again, that's four years ago 24 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:28,480 we were talking about that that I did that episode, 25 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:32,680 and now finally we're getting some traction on this. This 26 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:34,840 has been a long time coming. I'm one of the 27 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:38,239 proponents to expand the league because I think the talent 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,879 level is ridiculous. I think it's completely justifiable to have 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,040 two more teams. I don't think it should be more 30 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:47,840 than two, but I think at this point you can, 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,239 you can absolutely do something interesting with forty two teams. 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,439 So I'm enjoying today's news very much. 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're a pro expansion, which I guess the 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,239 first question to tackle here is do you think that 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,439 the league has the talent pool that's deep enough to 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:07,719 handle expansion. I would say yes, but they're so worried about, 37 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:11,680 or presumably about tanking right now. The introduction of two 38 00:02:11,719 --> 00:02:15,680 expansion teams, knowing the limitations that are traditionally put on 39 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:19,400 how they get players initially, but just what they're you know, 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,680 presumably they've been limited in how much they could spend 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,240 during that initial those initial years. This opens the door 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,759 for more of that, and so I'm curious to see 43 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,039 if this is accompanied by no I don't know that 44 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:35,000 they'll be announced in tandem. But does this incentivize the 45 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,680 NBA to address tanking even more aggressively this summer because 46 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:44,000 you're adding into variables where, under normal circumstances that first 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,080 year or something like, those teams probably aren't going to 48 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:46,680 be very good. 49 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: Right. 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,039 Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I don't have a good 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 read on that whatsoever. We'll see what the NBA does, 52 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:56,240 Like given the fact that we don't know yet what 53 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:59,240 the league is planning to do in terms of like 54 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,360 the lottery off or anything of that sort, the answer 55 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:06,000 is I don't know. I still think the league is 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,759 dramatically overreacting to the element of tanking. I think they're 57 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,039 completely forgetting that the last few years. It's because of 58 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,800 the talent pool in the draft, like twenty three, twenty five, 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:23,199 and twenty six are completely ridiculously loaded drafts, Like where 60 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,759 anyone we're tanking in twenty four? Not really, not really, 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,439 that didn't really happen. Twenty seven, i've heard, is supposedly 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,120 even worse than twenty four. So I'm also not expecting 63 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,000 teams to tank in twenty seven. But the league has 64 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,280 apparently just not cared about that aspect of it all. 65 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:46,199 Just said no, tanking generally is just bad, which all right, sure, 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,960 I guess so I don't know is the answer. 67 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: I am curious to see, Like, if do you think 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,639 there's gonna be any this is gonna just get approved unanimously? 69 00:03:56,719 --> 00:03:56,919 Speaker 3: Right? 70 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,479 Speaker 1: I know that there's it cuts into technically your business model. 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,879 But if they get seven billion, let's say seven and 72 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:06,520 a half billion per franchise, because the projected fees were 73 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,400 between seven and ten billion, that's fifteen billion. All the 74 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:12,360 other owners just get a cool check for half a 75 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,079 billion dollars, I guess they're probably gonna say yes to that. 76 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: Well that and also they're gonna get a big size 77 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,800 of the pie when it comes to bri write basketball 78 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,800 related income. Las Vegas and Seattle are two markets that 79 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,519 could generate a ton of money. 80 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: That is a whole term initially though actually maybe maybe 81 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,040 right away because Seattle has the in built. 82 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: The fan base. 83 00:04:37,439 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, yeah, so, and and I think we're sleeping 84 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,199 a little bit on Las Vegas as well, because when 85 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,439 people are saying, oh there is. 86 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: Keep going there, like we're founded there, but like team 87 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:53,519 there are teams that are moving there like actively. 88 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,439 Speaker 2: That that is true, But also I think it's also 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,639 it's going to be a tourist thing. 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: Like I know that the league would like love to 91 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,399 like build this local. 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: Fan base for an NBA team there, and that will 93 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,920 that will happen in due time for sure, But I 94 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:10,360 also just think there's going to be some tourism things. 95 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:14,279 They're like, oh, should we catch an insert Las Vegas 96 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:18,600 team name here game, And that's gonna happen. Like you, 97 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,319 you have tourists from all around the world if they 98 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:24,680 can combine a Las Vegas trip will also watching an 99 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,480 NBA game in person. I think the league is considered this. 100 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: They should name it the Las Vegas Sinners and have 101 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,120 Mark Jackson be the head coach of it. 102 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: Poor man, he'll spend more time praying than coaching. 103 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: The So another question that I think everyone's gonna have here, 104 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:50,560 So how would how how does the league get restructured? 105 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,399 One team is going to go to the Eastern Conference. 106 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,160 The candidates that Shaan's reported, as you pointed out, were 107 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Minnesota and Memphis and Tim Bontams of ESPN and Bobby 108 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:04,079 Mars also added that New Orleans will be added to 109 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,959 that equation as well. I would imagine even though in theory, 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,720 the West is gonna get to let's say, for the 111 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,519 foreseeable future, teams that might not be as good. I 112 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,680 think that there's gonna be like those teams are gonna 113 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,199 be tripping over themselves to get to the West and 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,720 going through it. Geographically speaking, it should be New Orleans 115 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,800 or Memphis. But as other people have pointed out, like 116 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,720 Minnesota is kind of so isolated when it comes to 117 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,600 travel that they I think they should be the team. 118 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:37,279 Do you have a preference on which team should be 119 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:38,079 moved to the East? 120 00:06:38,759 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: I don't. 121 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:42,879 Speaker 2: The only thing I know is that Memphis is a 122 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,800 team that has voiced before at least you know, interest 123 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,160 in doing that. I think a report came out about 124 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:53,560 that like years ago, and I don't see any arguments 125 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:58,879 why that should have changed. So what I'm wondering, basically 126 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:02,160 is if let's say Memphis out of just this is 127 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,319 just like theoretically, if Memphis has been in the league's 128 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:11,199 ear for years, just hey, guys, right, like maybe that's 129 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,800 that's what not shit not just a little bit of 130 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,319 that direction. I wouldn't hate Minnesota in the East because 131 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:23,680 let's be real. The East, for the most part, they 132 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,040 don't have great, you know, driven teams from a front 133 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,199 offers perspective, and they don't really have a bunch of superstars, 134 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,120 like a lot of the superstars end up in the West. 135 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:37,759 When West teams win the first overall pick Anthony Edwards 136 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:40,480 in the East would finally give the Eastern Conference a 137 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:43,199 little bit more of a wildcard, something a little bit 138 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:45,519 more that could it seemed, that could actually go in 139 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,079 and compete for a championship. I wouldn't hate that ankle 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:49,439 of it. 141 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:53,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen people say that they think the gap 142 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,160 has closed between the West and the East, and you 143 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:58,240 can go and look at the head to head records 144 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:00,240 this year, I think the West overall only as a 145 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,040 slight margin. I still like, I know it's an anecdotal thing, 146 00:08:04,079 --> 00:08:05,920 and some people don't want to hear that. I'm looking 147 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:08,399 at the top of these conferences. I'm gonna tell you 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,879 right now, I trust way more Like even the Lakers 149 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,800 are starting to sway me a little bit. And so 150 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:16,439 in the East. It's if there's a circle of trust 151 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:19,680 in the Eastern Conference. When looking from a playoff performance perspective, 152 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:25,519 I have Detroit, Boston, and Cleveland in there, and that's 153 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,439 kind of in the West, it's there's Okay, Minnesota's inconsistent, 154 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:32,679 but they've just made two consecutive conference finals. You have Okac, 155 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,720 you have Denver, you have San Antonio. The Lakers are 156 00:08:36,759 --> 00:08:39,720 kind of percolating here. Even the Suns are just no, 157 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,720 they're not better than the Knicks. But would the Suns 158 00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:44,759 be the fifth best team in the Eastern Conference, Like, 159 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,240 forget about what their record is right now? I mean maybe, 160 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,799 Like just so I trust the West, and what you 161 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:53,080 mentioned I think is really pertinent. When there are trade 162 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,879 demands where a free agency becomes cool again, players tend 163 00:08:56,919 --> 00:08:59,720 to flock towards the Western Conference and a lot of that. 164 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,279 You know, that's the California teams. But still that's that matters. 165 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. And also just again, I hate to sound so 166 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,240 negative about the East, but like the West just have 167 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,399 better general managers, They have better front offices, Like they 168 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,279 scout better. They if we are being honest with ourselves, 169 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,200 if we're going down the list of East teams and 170 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,120 compare them to the West teams, front offices are just 171 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:26,559 better in the Western Conference. And that's a problem. Like 172 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,159 I would love to see more competent general managers in 173 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,639 the Eastern Conference zo online things. It just doesn't happen. 174 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,519 And then there's just the this is out of everyone's hands. 175 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,000 But like the just the lottery luck right, like the 176 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,960 Wempy draft goes to a West, right, like Anthony Edwards, 177 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,240 who we talked about before, it goes west, Cooper Flack 178 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,480 goes West. It's it's just a shame. And by the way, 179 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,440 speaking of the East teams, who you trust, like, I'm 180 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,360 not even sure of fully trust. 181 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,919 Speaker 1: Detroit like their offense in the play. I think from 182 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,960 an NBA Finals stay point, the offensive concerns are real 183 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,759 and should be real. Pistons fans will push back against 184 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:07,200 that in some form, but yeah, you're you're honestly, But 185 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,840 if you're gonna nudge Detroit out of the circle, you 186 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:11,840 also got a nudge Cleveland out of the circle. 187 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: Because what I am, James Harden, That defense basically to 188 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:18,320 me is Boston. Like if I'm doing like a power 189 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,559 ranking and Charlotte, right, Charlotte, like I don't, I'm probably 190 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,679 have like four West teams and then Boston if I'm 191 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,559 doing like a top five power ranking. 192 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: Okay, see my top two. Yeah, you could definitely make 193 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,919 a case for San Antonio. I think San Antonio is 194 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,720 the second best team in the league. Those three. I mean, yeah, 195 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:47,879 you're maybe the Lakers. Maybe Lakers are not on my top. 196 00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:49,200 That defense is not gonna. 197 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: Be The defense sucks, But like the offensive components there, 198 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,360 do you trust it in East team to stop like 199 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,200 Luca Lebron and Austin were used because I don't. 200 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: I honestly I don't think. I think Cleveland and Boston 201 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:05,159 and even New York would be fine. 202 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,919 Speaker 3: No Boston ice in there, like like that's in some 203 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:10,600 variation like Boston I could see beat the Lakers. 204 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,919 Speaker 2: Yes, that's but that's what I'm saying, Like that's the 205 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,279 one scene where I would feel fairly confident that that 206 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,080 would be a series. But like, if you put the 207 00:11:17,159 --> 00:11:19,960 Lakers up again, this is turning into a whole brandy. 208 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: We're ranking the league, I think, Yeah, how many teams 209 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,279 I guess the question would be how many teams in 210 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:26,960 the West do you get to before you pick your 211 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,840 second Eastern Conference team? I don't actually know if I 212 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:33,440 get so, Okay, see San Antonio and Denver I'll listen to, Yeah, 213 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:37,320 but Minnesota I'll listen to but like that. And then 214 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:40,120 so you have Boston the top five. I I'm like 215 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:43,759 New York, Cleveland, Detroit both over the Lakers or the Rockets. 216 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,480 That's it's. Look, I still trust more of the top 217 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:51,879 of the West than I do of the than the 218 00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:55,960 top of the East. And that's I think that's what 219 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,759 would be the appeal of if you're a team like Minnesota, 220 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:02,600 who again, Memphis is kind of starting their rebuild. Ditto 221 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,000 for New Orleans right now. 222 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,879 Speaker 2: Great, congratulates, We've got it back on track. That was 223 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:08,879 all on you. I appreciate how you did it. That 224 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,879 was a great segue. That's I just needed a little 225 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:13,720 applause on that one. That's great, well done. 226 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: When you look at immediate implications, though, Minnesota would be 227 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:20,159 the team that would probably stand to benefit the most, 228 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,200 right because they should be at that point the best 229 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,240 of the three. And if now even consider this, if 230 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,480 you are a team that is still rebuilding, it's probably 231 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:32,480 easier to rack up some loss depending on what the 232 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,759 lottery odds are. Now, if they change the lottery odds 233 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:36,960 to account for wins after a certain time, maybe you 234 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,720 really want to go to the East regardless, But I 235 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,600 think this decision. When you're looking at that first season 236 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,840 and maybe the first couple, it probably has the largest 237 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:50,159 ramifications on Minnesota, and that's the team I think should 238 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:52,039 go to the East. I think that's just the. 239 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: So so S European. Obviously, I'm going to be very 240 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,240 annoyed because that means we're going to get a whole 241 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,240 bunch of early games with Rudy gol Bear, which yay, yay, great, Rudy. 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,159 Speaker 1: Gobert is still playing in twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine. 243 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,080 Just get up there. 244 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,639 Speaker 3: That's you don't have that point. 245 00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: You don't have to wait, you're not Rudy Gobert might 246 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,639 be a backup and not on Minnesota. 247 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: You understand that it's twenty twenty six. Now it's in 248 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,559 two years. 249 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, how old is Rudy Gobert? No? 250 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 2: No, But I'm just saying like it sounds so distant, right, 251 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,320 twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine. Sometimes I think we're 252 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,519 forgetting like we're in twenty twenty six already, Like twenty 253 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:31,759 thirty is creeping up on our asses quicker than we 254 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:32,519 want to believe. 255 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: I don't disagree here, but my point being is, like 256 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,080 age thirty six season. 257 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: Rudy Cobert like that, you can't be it's no. 258 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:44,639 Speaker 1: That Edwards and Jade McDaniels. You're not factoring in Julius 259 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,320 Randall or Rudy Gobert. What about my Comley. 260 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,159 Speaker 3: He's an unrestricted free agent by the way, then, so 261 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,639 he might not even be with the Sea And that's 262 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,720 great news. Down I'm down, Yeah, that's great. 263 00:13:55,759 --> 00:13:58,919 Speaker 1: I think it should be Minnesota. I have a feeling 264 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,840 because of what you say, I wonder if it's gonna 265 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:02,480 be Memphis. 266 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:03,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. 267 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:09,759 Speaker 1: Right, Another reason will be the other variable. And I 268 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:12,240 don't mind going here because I feel bad talking about it. 269 00:14:12,279 --> 00:14:15,120 For the fan basis perspective, how much of a factor 270 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,720 would it be if you wanted to relocate a franchise 271 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:22,919 at some point? Are you factoring in, Okay, what's the 272 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,159 next city? Because then maybe we don't want New Orleans 273 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:27,799 to go east because the relocation city we would prefer 274 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,120 is westward. 275 00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:30,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 276 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: So I mean, look, Gail Benson has basically said she 277 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:36,840 doesn't want to move the team, but this is I 278 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:38,919 don't think this is hurting the fan base. But can 279 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,480 we agree that your theory is a franchise out there 280 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,399 where that discussion of relocation is more relevant. 281 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,919 Speaker 3: It's probably with the Pelicans. 282 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,039 Speaker 1: Do you think it becomes less relevant after expansion though, 283 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,639 because then it's all right, where are we going or 284 00:14:53,679 --> 00:14:55,879 where are they going to? Vancouver? No? 285 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: No, no, I mean you could argue from the league's 286 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:00,320 point like, is there a sea or is there a 287 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,240 city sorry on the East coast or at least on 288 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:07,399 the eastern side. If we split the nation down the middle, 289 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:10,240 that would be more of an attractive place and then 290 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,080 move the Pelicans there. They could spend the next two 291 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,919 years just working Gale Benson too the fucking bone in 292 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,320 trying to get her to move the team. 293 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,039 Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that what is I wonder what the 294 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,440 third choice city would be. There's been talk about Mexico City, 295 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:32,440 wasn't there There were some West Virginia buzz way back when, right? 296 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,919 Speaker 2: But see, this is the thing. Is there another city 297 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 on the East coast or at least like the eastern 298 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:44,440 side of the United States where there's a bigger market. 299 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:51,399 Speaker 3: For teams for a team. 300 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: So I don't Again, I don't know if this would 301 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,240 be considered east, but I think other some of the 302 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,440 like hubs that have been mentioned would be but you're 303 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,159 not gonna do this if Memphis is there where Like 304 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:08,200 Nashville has been mentioned, Louisville's been mentioned, maybe Kansas City. Yeah, 305 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:12,840 it's a good Honestly, I wouldn't wind. What's that Saint 306 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,559 Louis No, right, that's not big enough. So I'm just 307 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:21,759 looking at teams or sorry cities here. But you're right, 308 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:25,159 like Nashville could be one. I never realized like how 309 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,200 much east like Tennessee actually is until I look at 310 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,559 the map and I go, oh, like it just feels 311 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:38,440 very west. I wonder if they would want to teams 312 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,320 in Tennessee. My guess would be for the my guess 313 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:47,360 would be no, right, yeah, what about now this is west? 314 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,320 Do you think they would consider San Diego, Like let's 315 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,879 just open up another California market. 316 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: Why? 317 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:54,879 Speaker 1: Well, I mean they move the Chargers out of there, 318 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,399 so still the Padres. 319 00:16:57,279 --> 00:16:59,639 Speaker 2: But if you move if you move the Chargers out 320 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:05,079 of there, what they did, Yeah, that is also like 321 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:07,759 maybe an argument to place an NBA team there because 322 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:14,039 then there's going to be less competition for sports interest. 323 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: I do wonder though, so I think this would if 324 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,880 you're worried about the NBA leaving New Orleans. I actually 325 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,240 think expansion probably bodes well for them staying put. 326 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: M Yeah, I'm gonna have to keep thinking about this 327 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,960 just in terms of like what cities could actually like 328 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,359 because I wouldn't even put it past the NBA just 329 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:38,039 trying to ward Gale Ben's next two years and and 330 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,359 try to move that team, because I like, do you 331 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,440 think the league is satisfied with their presidence in New 332 00:17:43,519 --> 00:17:45,799 Orleans at this point? 333 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,039 Speaker 1: Probably not? But okay, here's my counterpoint would just be 334 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,799 what do you base it? Like, what do you think 335 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:55,240 makes a bigger difference moving the market or could we 336 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,319 change the ownership regime there? 337 00:17:58,599 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, if that is on the table, 338 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,000 I would also prioritize that for sure. But I think 339 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:09,359 at the end of the day, it's the almighty dollar 340 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,119 is probably gonna rule everything, right, And and that's where 341 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,359 I'm just trying to think if there's like a place 342 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,000 that would make. 343 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,519 Speaker 1: That's that's tangentially expansion related. My other question here would be, 344 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,440 so we know how the expansion rules work, expansion draft 345 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:29,920 rules work, and that is just to describe it. In 346 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:32,880 the past, it's been every team can protect up to 347 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,160 eight players, but they all must leave at least one 348 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,599 player unprotected. So if you were a team that had 349 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:42,839 clear books except for I'd be curious. If you only 350 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:45,240 had one player under guaranteed contract, that would work. But 351 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,640 if you have six players under contract, the rule would 352 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,680 be that you still have to leave one of them unprotected. 353 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,359 I want to see, and I know you're not gonna 354 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,000 have to answer to this. I'm generally just musing here, 355 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,759 do the rules change it all when you're adding two 356 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:02,759 t tas at once? Because the last expansion we had 357 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,720 was the Bobcats, and that was a single team, and. 358 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:14,759 Speaker 2: So the last two one that were Vancouver and Toronto, right, yes, yeah, 359 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:18,759 and that was before like there was a real there 360 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:20,880 wasn't even a real salary cap. There are a lot 361 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:26,160 of like that was almost forty years ago. No, it's 362 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,000 more than forty years ago that happened, Okay, m Yeah, 363 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,480 that's a good question. That's a good question. I don't 364 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,200 know the answers that we need to figure that out. 365 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,160 I am sure that that's something that's gonna be up elsewhere. 366 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: And also how to the other things like there weren't 367 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:42,799 so the expansion came when we're the podcast, they were 368 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:46,079 two thousand and four. That sounds right. They didn't have 369 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,680 either way. They didn't have two way contracts back then. 370 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:51,000 It's like, well, how does that work? 371 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: And they were also given the second pick in the 372 00:19:55,319 --> 00:20:00,640 draft I seem to recall, which they spend on Oka four. 373 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,440 It's that's a high pick coming in in twenty eight 374 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:08,759 and then you've got two teams, Like what are you 375 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,599 going to just give them second and fourth? 376 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: Like second and third? 377 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there are definitely gonna be some things that 378 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,920 needs to be finacled there at some point, Dan, we're 379 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,920 gonna need to have to a muck like expansion. 380 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,039 Speaker 1: I want I want to know the rules before doing 381 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:28,319 that with right, Oh, no, of course because one of 382 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,920 the other things too is you were only allowed to 383 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,599 pick one player per franchise, and so like, imagine how 384 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,640 that would work with two teams. And so now you know, 385 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:40,240 sixteen teams are gonna feel like or no, not sixteen 386 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,079 because if you're drafting, were they get twelve picks each? Like, 387 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,880 so what's like two thirds of the league is going 388 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,519 to feel expansion at that point? Or maybe that I 389 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:53,839 saw there. That's I didn't even think of that. I 390 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,640 totally forgot that you were only allowed to do the 391 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,720 one player per team and past expansion. 392 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:04,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it'll be two presumably two players, right you 393 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,440 need to leave unprotected? Yeah? 394 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: At that point, well, unless you're saying that you can 395 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:13,319 only only if you keep that rule in place, then 396 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,200 you're kind of like, are you alternating picks? Who gets 397 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,039 to go first? How do you determine that is the 398 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:22,680 team that paid more for expansion? Please take Rudy Gobierre 399 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:28,039 off our hands? Yeah? Oh god, that's gonna be so 400 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,799 much fun. Like you just know that every team is 401 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:35,519 going to take the shitty contracts and not protect them whatsoever. 402 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,960 And the other thing too, is that I wonder if 403 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,400 they're going to change the rules, because weren't they in 404 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:49,319 previous years You like, couldn't spend as much as other 405 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,160 teams could keep that in place. 406 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I would not. I don't think so, 407 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:03,039 because maybe maybe by logic cures flawed. But if you're 408 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,279 an owner that goes in on a buy in to 409 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,799 seven to ten billion on a team and you're like, 410 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,519 I don't want to play pay the whole salary cap 411 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:16,440 of one what two hundred million at that point in time, 412 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:18,720 one eighty or something whatever the cap is at that 413 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,480 point in time. That seems ridiculous to me because that's 414 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,000 a that's a drop in the bucket for what you 415 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,680 pay for your franchise fee. So I would just go 416 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,440 full cap immediately. I hope they do do that. That 417 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,519 would make for a more competitive offseason too. 418 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: Right. 419 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: The other thing with the expansion draft is do you 420 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,279 think that because there's two teams that squad should only 421 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,680 be allowed to protect like seven players, Like, do you 422 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:47,640 lower that number at all? So, okay, you have to 423 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,960 have a minimum of two unprotected players or whatever it is? 424 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,559 Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, because that that just puts the safeguard in 425 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:54,920 because they're like, even if you just tank your roster 426 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,559 and you only have like five players available, then you 427 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,240 god live with two of those guys have to be unprotected. 428 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,599 So yeah, I think generally speaking, just protect eight and 429 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,039 if you have fewer than eight players then it's too. 430 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:13,359 Like I still think you need to be able to 431 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:13,920 protect eight. 432 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,759 Speaker 1: Call your shot right now, who's the best player from 433 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:20,720 from a talent perspective that's left unprotected in a twenty 434 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,279 twenty eight expansion Draft? 435 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: Best player who's going to be left unprotected? 436 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,279 Speaker 1: Not a lot of players are under contract at that 437 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:32,839 but like Paul George is off the books. 438 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's off the book. Oh, you're gonna hate my 439 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:37,680 pig on that one. I think. 440 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,039 Speaker 1: Let me just make sure that are you picking Jalen 441 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:41,279 Bruns next contract? 442 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna go Tomani Kamara. 443 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,039 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Joel embiid. 444 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,519 Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one. I thought he was. No, no, no, right, 445 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,240 he's got more he's got more time. 446 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, he's still good at that point, I 447 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:00,359 would imagine. 448 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:02,279 Speaker 1: And by twenty twenty eight, they'll still be like six 449 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,559 or seven years left on Yako Peertles contract. 450 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: But like you asked me best his contract was in 451 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,440 my mind that would probably be extended again. 452 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: But by that point thirty. 453 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,279 Speaker 3: Million this time around. 454 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: What other expansion questions do you have reactions to the news. 455 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: Honestly, I just need to understand at that point in 456 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,799 time time how they're going to go about the draft, 457 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,720 because again, this is so many years ago. It's twenty 458 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,480 two years ago with the Bobcats, and I don't remember 459 00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:34,079 how they acquired number two or if they were given 460 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960 number four and then traded up for two. Regardless, they 461 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:39,039 got a high end draft pick. They got a super 462 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,160 high draft pick, and I just want to know like 463 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,680 how that process is or if it's changed over the 464 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,720 course of twenty two years, like the justification of it. 465 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:54,119 But again, like you said before, the league is going 466 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,279 through changes right now in terms of the draft, so 467 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,319 like that is going to play a factor as well. 468 00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:02,920 That's probably one of the biggest thing. Also, like can 469 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,200 we just get confirmation immediately, like freaking immediately when this 470 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:10,559 has been like locked up, that we're going to go 471 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:13,480 back to the SuperSonics, because I don't want someone coming 472 00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:16,640 in and going, oh, yeah, the Seattle Keys or something 473 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,440 like no, no, like god. 474 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,759 Speaker 1: That there if they care about making money, which they 475 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:25,559 will after burning seven the midiion dollars, they're not. That's 476 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,680 that's going to be the name. 477 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, immediately immediately because and then I think the record 478 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,880 stayed in Seattle, right But by. 479 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: The way, I looked this up just to confirm. So 480 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:40,599 none of the expansion teams are eligible for the first 481 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,359 pick in the actual league wide draft in their first year. 482 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720 I wonder if that's a rule they would keep in place. 483 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,759 They were also but when though when the Raptors and 484 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,640 Grizzlies entered, they were also ineligible for the number one 485 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,839 pick in their second season. 486 00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 3: That's rough. I mean, that is rough. Twenty eight by 487 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,000 the way. 488 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: I've also heard that's a shitty draft, so that's interesting. 489 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,279 Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything on twenty eight just yet. I've 490 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,440 heard a lot about twenty seven. People aren't, yeah, really 491 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,680 excited about that one. 492 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: I heard both, but I could be wrong on twenty eight. Yeah, 493 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:25,839 I mean, look, I find this entire process fascinating because 494 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,640 you're starting something up from scratch all while kind of 495 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,039 with Seattle, right like you're picking up a threat from there, 496 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:36,440 but like with Las Vegas, it's everything is brand new everything, 497 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,039 and that that entire process is just so exciting to me. Like, 498 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,039 who's going to own that team? Is it Lebron? Lebron 499 00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,519 has voiced interest in that, Like who's going to come 500 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:50,119 in with that offer? Like I'm just very, very curious 501 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,960 to this whole thing. Also, who are we going to 502 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,640 get in as the two additional owners? 503 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,759 Speaker 3: Like are they going. 504 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: Why there's gonna be a long life. I feel like 505 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,720 that's gonna be there's gonna be some actions to that 506 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:04,440 would be my suour. Yeah, yeah, there's I'm not gonna 507 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,200 say what I'll say off air, but that's Yeah, that 508 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,359 is gonna be something to follow. And also, by the way, 509 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,079 to your Mecca OCRA four point, they trade it up 510 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,119 to get yeah, OK, four. 511 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,559 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm appre I love that. I remember that I do. 512 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: The thing is, though, is that so it just says 513 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,000 I was looking up that the NBA slot slots like 514 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:28,519 the expansion teams into the first round, and I just 515 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,039 I'd be curious to know how they decide. So Vancouver 516 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,920 and Toronto selected sixth and seventh in nineteen ninety five, 517 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,359 and then Charlotte picked fourth in two thousand and four. 518 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,200 So is there a line of demarkation for like, how 519 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,680 do you determine where the expansion team belongs? 520 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 521 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: They do. They will flip a coin apparently to determine 522 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,279 who gets to pick first. I want that. I want 523 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:56,440 that to be live streamed. 524 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 525 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:01,079 Speaker 2: Same, same. Everything needs to be not behind like some 526 00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:03,720 old ass table or anything like. This has to be 527 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,279 made in front of us, all of us, because that'd 528 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:06,640 be fun. 529 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: Yes, now I have Do you have any other reaction? 530 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,640 Because I actually have a legitimate question. 531 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: Go for it. 532 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,759 Speaker 1: Twenty nine season. Yeah, would be Kevin Durantz. That's his 533 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,440 age forty forty one season, is he still playing and 534 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,400 is he on the Sonics that year? 535 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:29,039 Speaker 3: He needs to be he needs to hope. So yeah, that. 536 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,759 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he needs to be the general manager or something. 537 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,759 Speaker 3: Right, he just needs to be involved. I don't care. 538 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,480 Like that would be. 539 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: That would be fantastic if he had like one last 540 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:44,000 year in Seattle. His basketball reference page was like his 541 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,119 rookie season would be in Seattle, and his final seasons, 542 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,599 like his entire career would just be that experiment of 543 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,200 the thunder. 544 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,519 Speaker 1: That would be. That'd be a nice book end, though, 545 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,359 just oh, began it in Seattle and finished it in Seattle. 546 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,359 Speaker 2: By the way, that's that's one. You just brought him 547 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,759 up as a general manager. Like, there are going to 548 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,640 be some opportunities here for front office officials from different 549 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,920 teams who might be you know, just waiting for their turn. 550 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,200 That's interesting as well. They're going to be more you know, 551 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:20,799 executive jobs available. That's cool. 552 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sure it's going to be more figure 553 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:26,480 out more games for us and teams for us to 554 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,319 cover will be excellent too. 555 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,559 Speaker 3: So oh, Dad even thought about that. You would be 556 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,319 r when you're given a kind of assignment, you'll have 557 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,960 to add two more teams. 558 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: Oh no, I think Katie, that'll be his age forty season, 559 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,039 A little biting. 560 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's going to be on 561 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,359 the Sonics. I think he's there. 562 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,279 Speaker 2: Can we please not be so pc when it comes 563 00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:53,400 to like nicknames instead of it being like family friendly, 564 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,000 fun fun. It's not like Las Vegas is a city 565 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,359 where shit gets fucked up, right, Like, you get fucked up, 566 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,920 you lose your life saving. 567 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: It's a city of sins, right, that's what you call it. 568 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:04,279 City of sins. 569 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:09,559 Speaker 2: Like if it's painted like in this positive way, it's 570 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,079 just gonna be it's gonna feel inauthentic. It just needs 571 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:17,799 to lean into something that's you know, messed up, instead 572 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,200 of it being like, oh, this is a family place 573 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:20,960 for every. 574 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:25,839 Speaker 1: It's not homia for instance, that is not unnecessarily morbid. 575 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,279 Speaker 2: Like I don't know, but just like it, I would 576 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:32,160 just like to lean into something of that city because look, 577 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160 it's first and foremost I know that there is like 578 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,079 a whole what do you call it, like a suburbia 579 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,759 developing in Las Vegas now, like people are actually finding 580 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,519 careers and living there full time, and it's there are 581 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,960 certainly avenues of Las Vegas. That's become quite magnificent. But 582 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,599 the entire history of the city is loaded with you know, 583 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:59,319 the mob, with money, with everything that is, you know, 584 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,920 you know, catch my drift, your sinful. I'm putting that 585 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,440 in quote Station Marks. I would just love for the 586 00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,319 league which pivot away from the Washington Bullets, you know, 587 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,160 like they pivot away from all these very controversial nicknames, 588 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:19,480 lean into something that is dareful, daring, something that's that 589 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,759 encapsulates Las Vegas better instead of just like, yeah, oh 590 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,200 cart game something reference if you catch my drift. 591 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: I do think it's gonna end up being just like 592 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,599 the Royals or the. 593 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,359 Speaker 2: Right, like that's excellent, excellent, com like that, and that's 594 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,519 I would hate that. I would hate that, like the Royals, 595 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,599 Las Vegas Royals. Oh my god, give me a break. 596 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,519 Speaker 1: Do you I'm so do you have any like when 597 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,160 I guess I'm just like, what what do you want 598 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:55,240 the trouble Vegas blackouts or something like to be blackout? 599 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: I don't, Okay, that would actually be fucking amix, that 600 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,359 would I would love that. Now you just pushed that 601 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,799 ahead of the curve. For me, that would be amazing. 602 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,920 Like the Las Vegas drunk drunk asses like no, but 603 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,279 like something that just encapsulated the city. I just don't 604 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:20,160 think it's and the history of the city, like the 605 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,799 what's the in w MBC the aces right right right? 606 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,039 So card game, can you really duplicate that? 607 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: I do feel like if the Kings weren't taken, they 608 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,400 just be the Las Vegas Kings at that point, I 609 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,400 think it's just gonna be something related to the city. 610 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,079 Speaker 2: But that's the thing I think that's I think that's 611 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,680 a coward way out. I mean again, I'm not. 612 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:43,519 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with you, but when you can't 613 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,880 give me, like an example, we're not gonna call them 614 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:50,440 like the Las Vegas like I don't know, go gos. 615 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,039 Speaker 2: No, no, not not after Magic Night, for damn sure. 616 00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:58,160 Or what was the Magic City. I don't even know 617 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,720 Magic City Night? Uh that yeah, for sure. But my 618 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960 point is just I get what you're saying. 619 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to see a cop out name either 620 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,279 to be the Las Vegas Spades or Diamonds like or. 621 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,400 I don't think they would call them the They wouldn't 622 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,000 call them the flush, would they No? 623 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,359 Speaker 3: No, too many jokes. 624 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,319 Speaker 1: They might they might not call them the Royals either, 625 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,240 just because the MLB has the Royals, so maybe they 626 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,079 wouldn't call them that. 627 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:29,599 Speaker 2: Also, do the do the Kings that still hold copyright 628 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,279 over that like the Royals because they. 629 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,519 Speaker 1: Do anything of that? I don't. I have no honestly 630 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,640 have no idea I would to get on the zach 631 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,519 Low train, like let's let's finally get the swamp dragons 632 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:45,559 to happen. Has no relation. Yes, that's that's different from yours. 633 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,160 Has no relation to this, But. 634 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:47,799 Speaker 3: That's cool though. 635 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: I can go behind that because I just I don't 636 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,759 want the cop out thing, like the Toronto Raptures. How 637 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:56,920 does that make any sense? It does not amazing, it's amazing, 638 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,880 but it doesn't make any sense. That was like a 639 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,839 Jurassic Park rep friends that got in there, like the 640 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,599 Utah Jazz. Come on, there's I know that was like 641 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,320 adopted because they moved the team and they kept the nickname. 642 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000 But like there's no point in that. See this now 643 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,599 we're talking about something like it has to be either 644 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,920 completely unrelated to anything and just freaking random, or it 645 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,440 has to be a genuine part of like the sinful 646 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,440 citiness of Las Vegas. It can't be a cop out thing. 647 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,519 You have to go swamp dragons for the win. By 648 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,840 the way, I would love that, the Las Vegas swamp Dragons. 649 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: I you know what I like, I kind of like 650 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,400 the Las Vegas Blackouts. 651 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 3: The blackouts, yeah. 652 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,199 Speaker 1: Because that doesn't have to mean that. But yeah, there'll 653 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,400 be too many jokes. It just better not be it 654 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,800 just it's good. I think it's gonna be an obvious 655 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,880 reference to casino gaming, right, and I'm not And. 656 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 2: You can't call it the strip because then you're back 657 00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:52,920 at the whole magic. 658 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,599 Speaker 1: City thing and we're not at the point where it 659 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,199 would be like I don't know, like the Las Vegas 660 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:02,559 Odds Busters or the Las vegae Oh my, like the 661 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,079 Las Vegas Draft Kings or something. 662 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,679 Speaker 2: Could you imagine after everything that has gone down, that 663 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:11,440 they lean into the gambling. Oh, that would be the 664 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,639 biggest own goal in human history. 665 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: I just but you know what I think would be 666 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,119 the most cliche go far, maybe not the most cliche 667 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,519 possible name, but the Las Vegas wild Cards. 668 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. 669 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, that that just feels like that would be caught 670 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:37,480 in mediocrity, right, Yeah, the wild Cards on the plane. 671 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,320 That's yeah, I don't hate this one Las Vegas long Shots. 672 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,679 Speaker 1: They would never call a team that though. 673 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,039 Speaker 2: That's kind of no, no, no, no, that's that's just 674 00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:48,559 putting a depression on the players. 675 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 3: Well you're now a long shot. 676 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: Well you're your last Vegas long shot. No. I really 677 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,760 need to think about this. Like my point with the 678 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,760 Tupac thing and all the thing, like it's just leaning 679 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,400 into the ugliness of it. That's kind of my point, 680 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,639 because I think there's something beautiful about leaning into your 681 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,599 history even though it's wildly messed up, like just wildly 682 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,000 messed up. But you can't call it the Las Vegas 683 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,440 Mobs either, because that's just way too oppressive. I just 684 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,880 want something that makes a little bit more sense and 685 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,880 is just not a complete boring ass cop out. 686 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: I would be on board for something even if I 687 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,760 gets it's a little bit of a cliche if there's 688 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,880 some alliteration in there, so either if the nickname starts 689 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:38,239 with an L or a V nickname, yeah, like the 690 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,599 Las Vegas Luminaries is Stupid's long shots would have fit 691 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:46,960 that Las Vegas Vulcans, I'd sign up for that. 692 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeh. 693 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,079 Speaker 2: I think I'm so far because I don't feel like 694 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,840 I can find that right angle. I think I'm on 695 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,880 your point of view of going with something also that 696 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,360 just makes no sense, just that something that's completely unrelated 697 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,679 to something completely I. 698 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: Think we both doesn't agreement. Hopefully it's not just a 699 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,400 nod to like like high rollers or slots or diamond 700 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:14,280 or spades or exactly. 701 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 2: And that's kind of my point of it all. I 702 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,559 just don't want that to be generic. Like, if you're 703 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,440 gonna go with two franchises, which is what we're talking 704 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,880 about here, you've got to return the SuperSonics to its glory, 705 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,039 and you've got to come up with something fresh for 706 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,079 Las Vegas, you really do and. 707 00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: Or revive swamp dragons and wall swamp dragons, the Las 708 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,960 Vegas Vampire squids, I would immediately sold. 709 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 3: I am so vampire. Yeah, there we go. 710 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: We figured it out your welcome world. 711 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, and it was. It was a little uncomfortable, 712 00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:52,039 that's fair. 713 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:56,159 Speaker 2: But like understand my drift here, something that leans into something. 714 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,079 Speaker 1: Nasty again, You've just yet to give me a good exing. 715 00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I don't. I don't know. It's fair. 716 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: God that his rails. Let's see if will they do that? 717 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, they won't, No, they won't. What 718 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,599 are their college names? What is like, what is the 719 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:15,320 nickname of you and. 720 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,199 Speaker 1: LV Las Vegas Rebels actually with the running rebels actually 721 00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:19,079 wouldn't be a bad. 722 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 2: That's that's cool, Yeah, just like something along those lines, 723 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,000 like I might have to go look at like Las 724 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,320 Vegas nicknames for sports teams at the collegiate level and 725 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,679 see what if I could about. 726 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: Road runners I'm trying to think of realist I wouldn't 727 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,840 want to name them the road runners. 728 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,079 Speaker 3: We're trying to think of like no, no. 729 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: But that's the most innocuous your. 730 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 2: Merits because they're always like road runner, like he's always 731 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,280 in the goddamn desert, right, yeah, Wiley coyote, that's in 732 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,920 the desert. 733 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: Honestly, the real question here is one, why isn't it 734 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,400 going to be vampires quids? And we don't have an answer, 735 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,800 gree because there's no good. But two is what version 736 00:38:58,039 --> 00:38:59,760 of the gambling? Not is it we're gaming? 737 00:38:59,800 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: Not? 738 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: Is it gonna be they have they already did it, 739 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,400 Like we have proof of concept here with the Las 740 00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:10,559 Vegas Aces. I would personally be fairly shocked if it's 741 00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:16,639 not something that's just adjacent to that I be so boring. Yeah, 742 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:19,039 I don't. I don't have a good name. Okay, but 743 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,039 my guess is the reason I probably haven't spent enough 744 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:22,840 time thinking about is it felt like this was just 745 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,039 fata complete out. We'll get the sonics, which it should. 746 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,360 We should to be clear, that's that's also a kick 747 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,840 ass name is the Super Si Super. And then I've 748 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,360 just always assumed that if there was a team in 749 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,519 Las Vegas that it would be some type of like 750 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,719 casino floor relation that theme. 751 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,119 Speaker 3: Man, I just. 752 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,199 Speaker 1: About the skyline, Las Vegas skyline, I wouldn't be a 753 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:42,920 terrible one. 754 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 2: Oh no, that like because that's that is a genuine acid. 755 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,559 Speaker 3: I like that. That's nice. 756 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,639 Speaker 2: Lights like that, A lot of lights like That's immediately 757 00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:55,559 what you think of in terms of a skyline. 758 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,599 Speaker 3: It's it's open. I don't hate that. 759 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,280 Speaker 2: It's a little generic, but at least it it's not 760 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,079 something like gambling related. 761 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll have to wait and see. Do you 762 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,320 want to tell people where they could find you and 763 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,480 all the work that you do more? 764 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 2: Yes, So if you want to hear more about the 765 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,480 Las Vegas Vampire Vampire squits, apparently. 766 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: That's what they'll be known as need we need an 767 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,079 ownership group that has the guts. 768 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, to just do it. 769 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 2: You can listen to the NBA podcast and read my 770 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,360 stuff over at Yahoo Sports. If you're Danish or understand Danish, 771 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,960 you can catch from calling games on HBO Max or 772 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:37,159 listen to my podcast. 773 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,039 Speaker 1: Post review until next time, and as always, boot the 774 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,239 shout out to the one, the only, the indelible, mister 775 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,760 Frank hila Quina.